Why is every actor in Hollywood loathed by the public?

I was going to argue this and went to Google and came across this new article from 2 days ago.

Because the world in which Pat Kingsley, Vanity Fair, People Magazine and Entertainment Tonight dictated what people liked no longer exists.

The culprit predates social media. I would actually date it to 2000 when Us Magazine became Us Weekly and 2005 when TMZ debuted. These orgs found a middle ground between the celebrity coverage provided by People and the pack of hyenas that were the supermarket tabloids. They were polished, fun and very cynical. The word “snark” may have emerged at this time.

This decade also marked the emergence of reality stars. People like Julia Roberts and Will Smith now shared the same pages with Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian and Nicole Snooki Polizzi, further diluting the mystique of Hollywood stars.

It's a number of things. The Tumblr brigade decided in the early 2010s that every celebrity needed to stick to its insane standards for acceptance, and whenever one didn't, they would go after them. Most of that was just a bunch of miserable, self-loathing basement-dwellers wanting to tear down anyone who had what they didn't.

Social media algorithms rewarding negative content also played a role. People realized a long time ago that hating something or someone would get them more attention online. So, regardless of how good something is, there will always be a large, vocal group of faceless nobodies saying it sucks.

Covid woke us up to the fact that all work is respectable and no one is inherently more valuable by virtue of being on screen. Yes, better hair, skin and teeth but that's where the difference ends. Also, being the most self congratulatory industry of all time doesn't play well post covid.

Overexposure.

Social media has made it so you now know every detail about famous peoples lives now. So if you care enough to look you're bound to find one thing you dislike about them or a skeleton either real or blown out of proportion in their closet.

I’ll add two more culprits.

In 1997 South Park debuted

And in 1999 Family Guy premiered.

Both were metatextual to a degree that was not seen before in adult cartoons, and often relied on celebrity humiliation for their humor.

So, South Park, Family Guy, Us Weekly and TMZ.

See this annoys me, because she knows very well what happened to all the “next great nonwhite movie stars.”

There are none because movie stars do not exist any more.

There are popular actors who appear in movies. That’s all. Even the most bankable Black actor today, Michael B. Jordan, 37, has an aloof and mysterious personality.

You will never have another Will Smith because the mechanism that made Will Smith a star no longer exists.

And that mechanism was MTV.

Also the fact the some people do not realize how celebrity degradation predates social media-delivered content is laughable. Us Weekly is a physical magazine, South Park and Family Guy are linear television shows, and TMZ is so old it was started by America Online. All the mechanisms to destroy celebrities were in place before social media.

I’m beloved.

And not just on Datalounge.

[quote]Also, being the most self congratulatory industry of all time doesn't play well post covid.

Nah, R4, that would be American LEOs.

Social media has exposed so many celebrities as being clueless bandwagon jumpers.

I fell out of love with movies about 15 years ago. Occasionally I would hear about a movie that sounded interesting, but it would feature an actor I did not like very much so wouldn't bother getting invested. It was almost always '90s actors that made me feel this way, all still around today.

Now I rarely hear about any interesting-sounding movies being made.

You come to a forum where every single successful and person being discussed in a thread is attacked then attacked some more then attacked again. And usually attacked by no talents who live with their mom. A forum full of losers attacking those that make good

And you ask why actors seem to be hated? It’s DL everyone is hated.

Movie stars have forgotten about the power of mystery. Now all of them are frantically posting their every move on social media and that lessens their allure..

We're (very) slowly catching up to the UK.

People in the UK hate all their celebrities with a passion. Actual psychotic levels of hatred. You can barely mention a famous person there - however inoffensive the person is - without someone responding that they hope that person burns to death in a fire. And they mean it, too.

Odd.

R17 social media has all but obliterated that. We know too much about entertainers nowadays. Not totally their fault, save for the very thirsty ones who love putting their business out there. But it's hard to hide your personal lives behind an image because of SM.

Pure good soon grows insipid, wants variety and spirit. Pain is a bittersweet, wants variety and spirit. Love turns, with a little indulgence, to indifference or disgust: hatred alone is immortal.

If they fuck up in public (being rude, drunk, cheating on someone, etc...) it's all over social media and on the covers of gossip magazines. Before social media publicists could kill a story with enough money or make a deal to give dirt on another celebrity. Now you have waiters and everyone else who's ever dealt with a celebrity going on Tiktok complaining about that person and turning everyone against them.

But then again, there's Keanu Reeves, who's a saint.

Why does everyone love Keanu Reeves

Because Keanu Reeves became a star in an era when the makers of movies created protagonists who were not Intellectual property and whom they wanted the audience to like.

We like Keanu and Sandra Bullock because the makers of Speed wanted you to like THEM.

Now, the makers of movies want you to like the CHARACTER.

People used to HATE Keanu!

R22 insight from a professional

Silly post- there is not a shred of empiric proof of this.

Social media gave most of them an opportunity to expose themselves for the raging narcissists that a lot of them really are. This then caused people to lump all of them in the same histrionic narcissist boat even though that may or may not necessarily be the case.

The worst thing to happen to actors was social media accounts that they run themselves.

I would say Denzel Washington, Cilian Murphy, Chris Pratt, JLaw, and Michael B Jordan are still very much loved by the general public.

The problem is we are living in a world in which we are being told what to watch and who to like. People really appreciate discovering, liking, and accepting things on their own terms. If Hollywood wants to foist an actor on us, we can’t escape from it because of social media. Social media turned the vast majority of celebs into political activists and killed off any charm and respect they once had.

R28 what bullshit. We had stars back in the 40s and 50s big time well advertised to the public major stars. We were not some rubes discovering John Wayne or Bob Hope or any of the others all by ourselves.

This ideal time you described never existed.

I don’t think they are, Op, the world is not as critical as datalounge. Even if you visit their instagram or other social media accounts the vast majority are fans ad very few critical voices (unless they fuck up big time).

That said, yes, generally their are much more exposed as said above, social media, etc. Another factor is that now most celebrities think they must pontificate in all manner of things, notably politics, current events, etc. Everyone is now an activist, where before they were much more guarded (with exceptions, of course). This too increases possible criticism, shows their limitations, etc.

R8 You have a real point here that’s never been made. SNL and Mad TV always parodied celebrities but South Park and Family Guy really went after their egos, something Ricky Gervais did at the Golden Globes which really sealed the deal.

Also, I’ll add in the end of Oprah’s show where she worshipped and glorified celebrities.

This clip with Julia Roberts is absolutely ridiculous.

Because we aren't any of their FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANS.

In today's world, the haters relish when a celebrity gets bad press or when a celebrity's movie bombs at the box office. The vitriol is astounding. If Timothee Chalamet cured cancer, the haters still wouldn't be satisfied.

Something tells me that OP is an actor who should probably delete the socials off of his/her phone.

OP, maybe because the public has come to realize what assholes so many actors are? And also perhaps because people are sick of actors being paid millions of dollars and living in mansions? Why should they be put up on a pedestal above the rest of us?

R35 relax it’s not just actors most people are looking down at you. The actors are not in a special group.

All the actors are pushed and in eveyone’s faces these days.

Because they don't ask us what we want. In the old days the studios used fan mail to determine which starlets to give the big build-up. Now we get Adam Driver and Beanie Feldstein.

I wonder what kind of dirt Borgnine was hiding. We needed better coverage back then.

r37 They're also too damn reachable, now. The "mystery" is gone. When they're sliding into people's DMs it quickly becomes apparent that they're as sleazy as any other creep on social media.

R21: Any press is good press these days. What makes this time unique is that audiences seem to equally hate with a passion both the movies and the actors that star in them.

R38 yes you must be an insider with inside knowledge. It’s a fact we ran some of the biggest and most visible business in America and we based our important business decisions that would impact the entire company and its future by reading fan mail.

Once the studio exes stopped depending on fan mail to make their decisions it’s been all down hill.

[quote]Why is every actor in Hollywood loathed by Datalounge?

Fixed. Nobody hates the way Datalounge hates. Hatred is Datalounge's raison d'être. People in the world at large actually like, for example, Tim O'Tay and NPH. The only person I've never seen anything bad typed about here is George Michael.

OP = JLo

Celebrities are more low-rent these days and there's no sense of mystery anymore. 24/7 gossip sites and social media have shown us that they're largely a bunch of cunts.

R43 = Tim o Tay

Because they let daylight in upon the magic.

If we had known back in the day what we know now about the stars of those days, they would have been loathed then too.

In a polarized world, too many of them run their mouths.

Actors like Glen Powell and Austin Butler are perfectly nice but not the least bit compelling.

Today in the newspaper website that shall not be linked, photos are Emma Thompson, marching with Just Stop Oil, days after they vandalized Stonehenge.

Glen Powell is getting the Blond Bombshell Buildup right now. I predict he will deflate in about 2 years.

Social media is toxic. Being negative, nasty and cynical is how you're supposed to behave on the internet.

The actors lack discipline. We constantly see them in the news being drunk or on drugs while they should actually live healthy lifestyles with all their money. It is like watching rich junkies. Loathworthy, Also blind items become more mainstream. Just look at the fakeness of Julia Roberts at 31. At the end of the video, Oprah asks: "What are you most proud of about yourself" and Roberts answers: "I'm a nice person". As if, her blind items are a disaster and the worst was telling a male actor to sleep with her unless he wants to be fired from the movie. She is basically the female Weinstein. I think in this century, celebs will be replaced by AI virtual reality stars like Hastune Miku.

If the audience doesn't like the fact that the entertainment industry holds them in contempt and ignores "entertainment" for a political and social program, naturally the audience is going to find the industry and its cunt shills who can't get enough "loathsome."

A world where a black can be Macbeth but a white can't be Othello obviously is still working things out.

And that's not entertainment.

I don't buy the premise since I'm so indifferent to these people and stream rather than go to the box office for their movies. I remember when Oprah had orgasms over visits from Travolta and Cruise; my reaction was who the fuck cares? So many are obscenely wealthy for no good reason and have nothing interesting to say..

I think Covid videos and social media exposed the neediness of many of these people. Knowing everything they say is false and stage managed is a turn-off. It always was stage managed but we didn't realize it.

We should hate all celebrities. The previous era of American fame worship was the anomaly.

Most Americans are not sitting around the table today talking about actors. Most Americans are not on internet forums today talking about actors. Most Americans are not posting on DL.

[quote]Covid woke us up to the fact that all work is respectable and no one is inherently more valuable by virtue of being on screen.

Oh, please. All work is respectable? Then why does a CEO make thousands of times what their average worker makes, and this discrepancy has not just grown but exploded exponentially? Covid had little to do with why anyone, even Hollywood celebrities, are more hated than ever. All Covid did was expose the fact that "essential workers" are worth barely more than minimum wage, if that.

[quote]I think it’s becoming very rare and difficult to find one actor who is universally loved.

The key words here are "love" and "hate". Love is complex, nuanced, and fickle; hate is easy. People fall in and out of love all the time, but when you hate someone, it doesn't soften over time, or go away. It sticks, festering and molding like a blob of goo picking up emotional detritus and debris. Bottom line, hate is a much stronger emotion than love. Hate is, I would argue, the strongest emotion.

Add in the internet, which has turned everyone into an expert on everything, and in particular social media, which has made everyone think their opinion is as valid as actual experts, and it's a fever-pitch expression of hate.

[quote]Today in the newspaper website that shall not be linked, photos are Emma Thompson, marching with Just Stop Oil, days after they vandalized Stonehenge.

I initially read that as Emma WATSON and wasn't surprised.

But Emma THOMPSON?

I didn't realize she was political.

Emma Thompson is split own the middle. Happy to be a Dame and suck up to the royals, but loopy lefty luvvy when it comes to politics.

Because none of them are as interesting as they think they are. There's no more star quality. That's gone.

Well the BEST Americans are posting on DL, R58.

Emancipation of women has made them lose their mystery.

I think everyone is chock sick full of actors who have done Anything for fame , that think they are so above All of us tell us "little people" how we should think and live. F off hollyweird.

R50, that’s your opinion- nothing more.

I think the average person who has a job, family, and responsibilities tends to like actors who are in some of their favorite shows and movies. Most people are NOT so invested in actors that they stalk their every move. And few average people care what actors/influencers think about politics.

Fandom and fan-fiction culture is another animal all together. But it's mostly comprised of bored middle aged women.

I find whenever I follow an actor on Instagram, they inevitably disappoint me... TMI.

It's like Susan Saranwrap... her politics get in the way of enjoying her work. I see too much Susan Saranwrap, not enough actress.

Also she should fix her nose so her voice doesn't sound so nasally.

Celebrities are now more vulnerable than ever because of social media, cancel culture, and the proliferation of paparazzi sources. I don't know if they're more hated than ever before but it's never been a more difficult, perilous time for them as it is right now.

They can stay off social media, not engage in ostentatious displays of wealth, not drive drunk or sexually harass co-workers or engage in domestic violence, not get arrested for drug use or push their kids into the spotlight. But if you're a minimally talented narcissist, staying out of the spotlight is hard to do.

[QUOTE] But if you're a minimally talented narcissist, staying out of the spotlight is hard to do.

As the 2020 Covid lockdown demonstrated.

I still cringe at that "Imagine" celebrity video they released.

For starters, talk about a tone-deaf song to sing to "the little people" during that trying time, most who are religious or spiritual and were using their faith to get them through it.

Anthony Hopkins remains very well liked and respected.

This killed celebrity idolism in two minutes.

One cause of this loathing is the idea that the political opinions of actors are more important than the average citizen because of the attention they garner, has only escalated.

Many of these actors are badly educated. Their pontificating about candidates or issues gets too much attention. (Of course, as citizens they are entitled to have their own thoughts) but the infestation of their political opinions are given way, way too much attention. The public does not really know these people and if they did, it's probably a lot less likely that they would care.

(The picture of Markie Post jumping up and down on the Lincoln bed during a visit to the Clinton White House was a perfect manifestation of her character. )

The interjection of actors and celebrities into non-entertainment events has resulted in a major turnoff by those of the public who might have enjoyed one of their performances, but just wish they would STFU on non-entertainment matters.

Everything jumped the shark when they let Jon Hamm be a celeb.

Too many of them are Nepo-babies who possess zero talent.

That's a pretty broad statement. "Every actor in Hollywood"? How many members of the public give even the teeniest tiniest shit about even ONE actor in Hollywood, much less every one of them?

R74 = racist.

r79 Nope. Absolutely NO Black folks on this planet were impressed by that bullshit. In fact, most of us were either tickled or more pissed by the audacity.

R55 Yeah things were so much better when white people were playing blacks, Latinos, and Asians in films! How dare a black person play Macbeth.

R55 the context of Othello requires the character to be black.

Only within the last 10 years have white actors got shit or refrain from switching races for characters. They got away with it for 80 years. The fact that you think Hollywood is collapsing because blacks and Latinos and Asians can play blacks and Latinos and Asians in movies is insane.

[quote] The only person I've never seen anything bad typed about here is George Michael.

George Michael had a unique charisma and truly knew how to make fun of himself. Just watch the music video for "Outside", which he released just a few months after his public toilet scandal.

I think the problem is actors still haven’t embraced social media the way they should.

I think music artists have definitely figured out how to approach social media way better than actors.

Gen Z / Millennials love social media influencers. They’re the new A-list and the fact that actors see social media as beneath them, it doesn’t work.

So they fall out of favor with the public.

There’s really not one actor I pay attention to on social media. They’re super boring.

Once more, blonde Beyonce is fine but Gaga with a 'fro would start a riot.

Actually, I would argue the reverse of r84: i think they've embraced social media too much.

They used to be less accessible. Now we know too much about them, and about what they think and what their opinions are. There's no mystery anymore.

It's the internet/social media. Performative outrage is a thing. People love to go off on their spiels about what they don't like and find "annoying" even if they actually aren't even that annoyed. People respond to it; they wouldn't respond to "X actor is fine; I don't have much of an opinion."

Once someone has begun to run an actor down online, and others have chimed in similarly, it becomes safe for everyone who has been hanging back and testing the wind to let their own bile, envy, and jealousy pass for a reasonable response to that actor. And after doing that once it gets easier and easier each time.

There are people on reddit this very day who are still combing over the Depp/Heard defamation trial, piling on one or the other of the two principals, and to all appearances never asking themselves why they spend their lives this way.

Add to that the fact that people who are happily living their own lives OFFline were never celebrity worshippers in the first place and wouldn’t know (or care) what a “stan” even is. The sample is skewed toward the fanatics and of the fanatics, it’s skewed toward the bitter, and of the bitter it’s skewed toward the ones who have time to type a lot, until it finally begins to look like “everyone is crazy these days.”

They aren’t. That’s just your rather strange perception of a reality.

I'm sorry, but I can't relate to this at all.

Kevin Spacey lives in Baltimore, for now anyway(s).

I dunno, Michael Keaton seems pretty beloved. Michelle Pfeiffer, Sigourney Weaver, and a few others too.