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Aside from Russia, is there any European country you'd be afraid to visit?

In general, I'd be weary of the Eastern countries.

by Anonymousreply 91June 13, 2024 1:04 PM

Poland's not exactly gay-friendly . Hungary has turned far right. Albania is probably still a shit hole. Romania looks downtrodden and has tons of gypsies. Bulgaria is still not very developed. Serbia would be a hard sell.

Yeah - there are several actually.

by Anonymousreply 1June 11, 2024 12:28 AM

[quote]In general, I'd be weary of the Eastern countries.

OMG -- are you idiots [italic]trying[/italic] to aggravate me?

OP, the word is [bold]wary[/bold]. Please make a note of it.

by Anonymousreply 2June 11, 2024 12:46 AM

I wouldn’t go to the Ukraine any time soon.

by Anonymousreply 3June 11, 2024 1:04 AM


by Anonymousreply 4June 11, 2024 1:05 AM

^^OMG! it's Türkiye now, not Turkey!

Please make a note of it!!

by Anonymousreply 5June 11, 2024 1:17 AM

Well France and Italy are hardly lovers of the gays. Even the Pope who you would think would at least have the sense not to use ugly slurs does anyway.

by Anonymousreply 6June 11, 2024 1:23 AM


by Anonymousreply 7June 11, 2024 1:28 AM

Brazil is in Europe?

Kindly tell me, R7, which expensive private college did your parents waste their money sending you to.

by Anonymousreply 8June 11, 2024 1:36 AM


by Anonymousreply 9June 11, 2024 1:38 AM

Vatican City. I don't want them getting any of my money

by Anonymousreply 10June 11, 2024 1:39 AM

[quote]Poland's not exactly gay-friendly . Hungary has turned far right. Albania is probably still a shit hole. Romania looks downtrodden and has tons of gypsies. Bulgaria is still not very developed. Serbia would be a hard sell. Yeah - there are several actually.

No one is going to bother you.

I'd live to see what a night walk would be like in your nearest city...

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by Anonymousreply 11June 11, 2024 1:39 AM

^ I'd love to see

by Anonymousreply 12June 11, 2024 1:39 AM

WOW you bitches are ignorant, and before you go all apeshit arguing, "No one should visit countries run by right-wingers!!", note that you're describing both the UK & France. (Marine Le Pen's parties had the biggest gains in France's election shock over the weekend.) Also, Europe's really not much different than the US in this regard: the cities where tourists typically go are generally progressive / liberal, and all the conservative assholes are in the gutter snipe-laden towns where only evil people travel.

In other words, I'd be entirely fine visiting Budapest even with a right-winger running the country, but sure as FUCK won't be venturing into the countryside.

[quote]Albania is probably still a shit hole. Romania looks downtrodden and has tons of gypsies. Bulgaria is still not very developed. Serbia would be a hard sell.

Stereotype much? How about this: all four countries COMBINED have 1/10th the violent crime rate in Chicago alone? (To be fair, Albania's admittedly still a shithole, but still. Serbia's great, and Bulgaria's quite a bit nicer than I expected.)

by Anonymousreply 13June 11, 2024 1:43 AM

Hungary is a far right country. And not LGBT-friendly

by Anonymousreply 14June 11, 2024 1:47 AM

[quote]Hungary has turned far right.

And OMG, the tent cities, the graffiti, the homeless, the filth, the obesity, the looting, the violent crime, the homicide rate, the grim ugly people.....

Here's a 2 hour walking tour of Budapest....what a shithole!

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by Anonymousreply 15June 11, 2024 1:47 AM

R8 has no sense of humor, to the surprise of no one.

by Anonymousreply 16June 11, 2024 1:48 AM

Any of the -istan countries

by Anonymousreply 17June 11, 2024 1:49 AM

"Well France is hardly lover of the gays" They invented the gays

by Anonymousreply 18June 11, 2024 1:51 AM

Belarus a.k.a Russia in miniature complete with its own Putin-style dictator.

by Anonymousreply 19June 11, 2024 1:58 AM

Who is the unhinged twat off her Lithium?!?

by Anonymousreply 20June 11, 2024 2:00 AM

Definitely Hungary.

by Anonymousreply 21June 11, 2024 2:36 AM

I would go anywhere in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 22June 11, 2024 2:41 AM

R21 What are they going to do to you in Hungary?

by Anonymousreply 23June 11, 2024 2:51 AM

Americans need to stick to Western Europe these days. Better yet, we should just keep our fat asses at home eating our Costco pastries and drinking energy drinks this year.

by Anonymousreply 24June 11, 2024 3:06 AM

Go right ahead, R24. But don't presume to tell the rest of us where or where not to go.

by Anonymousreply 25June 11, 2024 4:08 AM

I wouldn't go to any country with a dictatorial or religion-driven government unless I was with a tour. You're pretty safe then unless you go haring off on your own at night.

As of 2025, I could be including the US on that list :(

by Anonymousreply 26June 11, 2024 4:40 AM

[quote]Hungary is a far right country. And not LGBT-friendly

It is home to some of the highest quality dick in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 27June 11, 2024 4:55 AM

R25 I tell everyone what to do. That's my role here. Are you new?

by Anonymousreply 28June 11, 2024 12:32 PM

some of you people are truly ignorant, but go ahead, wallow in your ignorance 😅🤣

by Anonymousreply 29June 11, 2024 1:07 PM

R28, you should definitely follow your own advice and keep your own fat ass at home.

by Anonymousreply 30June 11, 2024 1:20 PM

The ones with aggro drunk people looking for a fight (UK, Ireland) or bashy homophobes (Balkans)

by Anonymousreply 31June 11, 2024 1:22 PM

R7 is Britney Spears.

by Anonymousreply 32June 11, 2024 1:25 PM

any shithole in Eastern Europe

by Anonymousreply 33June 11, 2024 1:30 PM

R33, you're afraid to visit the UK and Ireland?

by Anonymousreply 34June 11, 2024 1:33 PM

Please don't come to Croatia. We don't need any more tourists.

by Anonymousreply 35June 11, 2024 1:39 PM

That was for R31.

by Anonymousreply 36June 11, 2024 1:44 PM

Belarus, since it is de facto a Russian colony. Ukraine, for obvious reasons. Moldova, small and with an unstable pro-Russian region, just doesn't appeal. If you consider Georgia to be Europe... it also seems pretty unstable thanks to the new Russian-style laws they are passing. Hmm, what is the common theme here?

Other than that, I wouldn't be afraid to go anywhere. There are less appealing places with shitty right-wing governments, but for a short trip, it wouldn't deter me.

by Anonymousreply 37June 11, 2024 1:53 PM


I’ve seen “Midnight Express”.

by Anonymousreply 38June 11, 2024 1:57 PM

I've been to Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary. They are all beautiful countries, and I had some with gay men in each. But that was over a decade ago, before each took a hard right, illiberal turn (although Slovakia was never quite liberal democratic). Of the lot, I'd feel the safest in Poland. There in urban areas, there is still a healthy, liberal opposition and a better educated, more secular generation of men and women accepting of gay men and lesbians.

Still, whenever I travel, I'm very cautious and conscious that it is not the milieu I'm familiar with at home.

by Anonymousreply 39June 11, 2024 2:06 PM

It's fine. I just don't take any sequinned caftans.

by Anonymousreply 40June 11, 2024 2:56 PM

Afraid? No. Reluctant? Turkey. Hungary. Poland

by Anonymousreply 41June 11, 2024 3:03 PM


by Anonymousreply 42June 11, 2024 3:30 PM

Turkey is an amazing place. The dollar goes a very long way. The people are very cool—no fear of negative treatment there. I’ve been several times, and no one ever pulls any religious anti-gay shit… even in the eastern provinces. Get real. Don’t believe everything posted on DL.

by Anonymousreply 43June 11, 2024 3:33 PM

None of those countries are gay friendly at all, you people are stupid, they may not have much crime, that because they're so beat down and ass backwards, and probably starving, fuck anyone who say otherwise, a bunch of goat fuckers.

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by Anonymousreply 44June 11, 2024 4:09 PM

France. Muslims, terrorism, gang violence, etc.

by Anonymousreply 45June 11, 2024 4:13 PM

Is R2 the same person at r8?

by Anonymousreply 46June 11, 2024 4:30 PM

[quote]Any of the -istan countries

Please tell us which of those is in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 47June 11, 2024 4:46 PM

I suppose I should mention Belarus, but it never even occurred to me to go there, and it’s my ancestral homeland.

by Anonymousreply 48June 11, 2024 4:54 PM

I'm not afraid of Russia, for a trip to the Hermitage, or any other Warsaw Pact/New Fascist countries. Not yet.

But I wouldn't travel to any of the numerous countries that do not provide legal protection for LGB+ people or abortion rights (canaries the coal mine of society) and/or have pro-Russian/neo-Fascist governments.

by Anonymousreply 49June 11, 2024 5:16 PM

I know a gay guy who's lived and worked in Hungary for years (he's American) and he's had no problems. He loves it there.

by Anonymousreply 50June 11, 2024 5:51 PM

[quote]"Well France is hardly lover of the gays" They invented the gays

No, that was us.

by Anonymousreply 51June 11, 2024 5:53 PM

I once watched a Serbian film. After that I won't ever visit this country again.

by Anonymousreply 52June 11, 2024 5:55 PM

Which one R52?

by Anonymousreply 53June 11, 2024 6:06 PM

R52, you don't know the difference between a horror film and reality?

by Anonymousreply 54June 11, 2024 6:09 PM

France because of the muslims in Paris

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by Anonymousreply 55June 11, 2024 6:25 PM

[quote]OP: In general, I'd be weary of the Eastern countries.

OP, 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑦 means you're tired.

The word you're looking for is 𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑦, meaning cautious.

by Anonymousreply 56June 11, 2024 7:15 PM

He could be weary of being wary.

by Anonymousreply 57June 11, 2024 7:23 PM

Or wary of being weary…

by Anonymousreply 58June 11, 2024 7:23 PM

Or sick and tired of being sick and tired.

by Anonymousreply 59June 11, 2024 7:26 PM

[quote] No, that was us.

No, that was me.

by Anonymousreply 60June 11, 2024 7:36 PM

R50, is he a Log Cabinette?

by Anonymousreply 61June 11, 2024 7:44 PM

There are Muslims everywhere, r55. You should probably just stay at home and watch NCIS.

by Anonymousreply 62June 11, 2024 8:46 PM

I am certainly not saying do not visit Italy or France but if you get to know people and they don't know you're gay you can hear some ugly stuff. Like the Pope in that private meeting. And the stupid asshole doesn't know that probably that most of the clergy he was with were gay.

Visit the Vatican anyway it is no worse than anywhere else in Italy. And the art and St. Peter's are staggeringly beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 63June 11, 2024 9:48 PM

^ exaggerated bullshit ^

Never I have I ever—and I visit each of those places every year.

by Anonymousreply 64June 11, 2024 11:09 PM

Well then you have not gotten to know anybody well who does not know you are gay. There is an enormous amount of homophobia in both France and Italy. Stop being so stupid and full of shit. And the Pope just did it again!

by Anonymousreply 65June 12, 2024 2:07 AM

It also helps if you know the languages conversationally which you clearly don't.

by Anonymousreply 66June 12, 2024 2:16 AM

R65 I lived many many years in Italy . Not living in an expat bubble, but living and working as an Italian, fluent in the language and living first in a tiny community and then in a small city. I always felt perfectly comfortable. Italians are very live-and-let-live. Don't confuse it with the USA.

What has been your experience there?

by Anonymousreply 67June 12, 2024 2:16 AM

[quote]It also helps if you know the languages conversationally which you clearly don't.

I speak conversational German but when I'm in Germany they switch to English as soon as they hear my American accent. Germans LOVE speaking English with native English speakers.

by Anonymousreply 68June 12, 2024 2:20 AM

R65. The pope lives in Vatican City—a separate country! Try harder.

by Anonymousreply 69June 12, 2024 2:20 AM

I was mugged in the UK. Yes Booze was involved.

by Anonymousreply 70June 12, 2024 3:37 AM

Booze in the UK is like praying to Allah five times a day in fucking Mecca.

by Anonymousreply 71June 12, 2024 3:47 AM

The rule is that if you see anything written in Cyrillic, run away in the opposite direction as fast as you can.

by Anonymousreply 72June 12, 2024 5:49 AM

I’ve lived as an American in Europe for a couple decades and visited every country except Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Cyprus and the Caucuses (if you count them as technically Europe or not). There’s also that far western region of Kazakhstan which is west of the Ural River which is considered part of Europe as well.

Anyway, I’ve never felt unsafe anywhere except around roving hordes of drunks. My scariest encounter was in Cardiff, Wales of all places wandering the streets on a hot July Saturday night. It was like the night of the living dead. Also be aware of football matches because again drunks. You don’t want to be stuck on public transport with a bunch of idiots especially after a match. Another one, being caught on a flight with groups of drunk guys on ‘lad’s holidays’ can also be an uncomfortable shower of shit and sometimes literal vomit.

I was pickpocketed in Sarajevo, but I did something stupid (opened wallet indiscreetly in public market) which could happen in most European capitals. Bosnia is still one of my fave countries as it’s fascinating and beautiful. Some of the other countries mentioned here were no problem: Poland, Hungary, Romania, Moldova, Serbia, Bulgaria, Albania and Ukraine (at the time before the war). Albanians and Kosovars really like Americans by the way because of the creation of Kosovo, Serbians supposedly don’t like Americans for the same reason, but I never had an issue there. It comes down to liking the people but not the politics kind of thing.

Never had a problem being gay anywhere and the worst homophobia encountered (not directly) was in central London, so go figure. Again, be aware and stay clear of drunks.

Right now, I’d avoid Russia, Ukraine and Belarus for obvious wartime reasons, but nowhere else. I worry more about getting caught up in crazy shit when travelling in the US: random shootings, zealous policing, unstable people on the streets, etc.

by Anonymousreply 73June 12, 2024 7:25 AM

Caucasus - self oh dear.

by Anonymousreply 74June 12, 2024 7:30 AM


by Anonymousreply 75June 12, 2024 9:05 AM

r73 I've been to all those countries you mntioned and evything was fine

by Anonymousreply 76June 12, 2024 9:09 AM

“Cardiff, Wales”, eh R73? As opposed to Cardiff, South Dakota?

by Anonymousreply 77June 12, 2024 9:25 AM


by Anonymousreply 78June 12, 2024 9:34 AM


Too long - Reader's Digest?

by Anonymousreply 79June 12, 2024 10:07 PM

Too long raw dick

by Anonymousreply 80June 12, 2024 10:10 PM


Two long raw dicks

by Anonymousreply 81June 12, 2024 10:11 PM

What about Croatia? Tell me the bad things about it. Didn't part of it used to be Italy?

by Anonymousreply 82June 12, 2024 10:18 PM

Turkey is not Europe.

by Anonymousreply 83June 12, 2024 10:21 PM

Earth disagrees. Back to your basement…that’s a good moron.

by Anonymousreply 84June 12, 2024 10:24 PM

Ever heard of the Bosphorus, R83? Of course you haven’t.

by Anonymousreply 85June 12, 2024 10:30 PM

[quote]What about Croatia?

It's beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 86June 13, 2024 1:24 AM

Croatia is a major rip off, don't come here.

by Anonymousreply 87June 13, 2024 12:01 PM

Besides, if you come here, you are only feeding our bigotef, corrupted government and money laundering elites. If you boycott Croatia you will help the left wing cause.

by Anonymousreply 88June 13, 2024 12:05 PM

R83 Part of it is. Just like only a part of Russia is in Europe

by Anonymousreply 89June 13, 2024 12:21 PM

Russia's path since Gorbachev is so disappointing. As a teenager, I anticipated spending so much time there. Now the thought of going there leaves me cold.

by Anonymousreply 90June 13, 2024 12:30 PM

Turkey is absolutely part of Europe as a matter of geopolitics and economics.

by Anonymousreply 91June 13, 2024 1:04 PM
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