John Fetterman virtually says brain damage made him more conservative

oops

OMG -- how many years left in his term??

I can tell you I’m done defending him and he’s on his own.

He’s still voting with the Dems.

For now R5

I feel like someone punched me in the stomach. I hope this isn't true. If this is true, I wonder what his BFF Stevie Van Zant, an outspoken Democrat, thinks of this.

saying" the progressive left me" is simple words, how is he voting? is he trying to restrict voter access or reproductive health access?

He’s just saying what a lot of liberals are saying about progressives—their identity politics and groupism can sometimes conflict with liberal values and common sense. See Queers for Hamas.

He looks like a clown. Yes, dressing appropriately as a member of Congress is important. He's a moron thinking it doesn't matter. It does. He's not a statesman in his hoodie and basketball shorts. He's ridiculous, and the dress code never should have been changed to accommodate him. And he's not some genius politician that overshadows his inappropriate appearance.

And his views on genocidal Israel are offensive.

He said it’s hard for him to find suits that fit.

If you are going to disown every Democrat who doesn’t swallow Arab propaganda whole, the progressives are going to have no power at all.

Can I at least say this one is autistic?

They hate him because he doesn’t hate Jews.

[quote] And his views on genocidal Israel are offensive.

And there you have it. Progressives are shitstains.

I’ve also abandoned progressivism. I think there are far more of us than Democrats realize. I won’t vote Republican, but I won’t vote in lock-step with Democrats either.

I had a hard time coming to terms with this a few years ago. Now, especially since October 7, I have no issue standing up to progressives, which can be a challenge since I’m in education, but I’d rather be scorned and truthful than accepted and phony.

I’d vote for Fetterman in a heartbeat if I could.

He's right. I myself wouldn't have turned terminally cray-cray MAGA conservative hadn't I had all those box of wine near death experiences throughout the years. My neurologist call it political Wernicke-Korsakoff dementia. Quite sobering actually. THAT'S WHY I NEED MORE WINE!!!

I am also a Democrat who broke with the progressives. When I saw thousands of people marching against the genocide of black trans women I felt the left had gone mad. All but one of my friends is very left and I hate to antagonize them. But sometimes they say such robotic crap I have to say something. I usually say I don’t agree and leave it at That usually shocks them to their core since you’re supposed to agree 100% with the program.

The problem is more people vote Republican than vote Democrat and every democract that votes against democrats help republicans.

I get it.

But then project 2025 happens. You think you will be safe in a blue city, in a blue state. It won’t matter.

Your marriage will be dissolved by the government

Your children will eventually be taken away.

Sodomy laws will be overturned.

You say “it can’t happen here.”

It can and it will.

The radical left is annoying. They are unprincipled. They are over the top.

But it will get far worse by you no voting.

I promise

The radical left is suicidal. They are alienating the rest of the left because the rest of the left is “impure,” particularly when it comes to siding with Israel and not with brown-skinned fascists who stand opposed to the rights of anyone by Muslim fundamentalist (straight, of course) men. They have no sense of how they are destroying their own influence and becoming a laughingstock .

No, Democrats are not going to turn to Trump because the progressives have gone insane. But they are also going to be far less concerned with bowing to progressive concerns. If the progressives respond by staying home in November, that’s on them. A few of them are that dumb, but most understand the stakes.

[quote]I am also a Democrat who broke with the progressives

Sure, Jan.

When did "progressive," which until recently just meant pro-social programs and working class (as opposed to the Wall Street-type liberals), become a label for the doctrinaire far left? These political keep shifting unhelpfully.

Your divisiveness isn't going to work, trolls.

Political labels change meaning all the time. Now, progressive means buying in to the oppressed/privileged dichotomy as the defining means of determining right from wrong and the ancillary idea that anyone who is oppressed needs to stand in solidarity against the privileged.

R20, part of the shift I’ve felt in the past ten years is that I give absolutely no fucks about people’s (alleged progressives’) reactions to me voicing my opinions, be it name-calling, ad hominem attacks, or simply derision.

And the most hackneyed and trite retorts, such as yours, don’t faze me at all.

- r17

North Joe Manchin Jr.

Too bad brain damage doesn’t make him dress better.

Agree completely with R19. W&W, brother.

I didn’t see the full interview, but did he say it made him “more conservative”, or that it made him less progressive? If the latter, I guess anything not progressive is now considered conservative.

Perfect Senator for a purple state like Pennsylvania. Casey is pretty middle of the road, too. His ads play up two things: shrinkflation and how he's worked with the GOP on legislation.

[quote] He said it’s hard for him to find suits that fit.

There's three or four tailors in Philly who suit up the Sixers and Eagles. Sizing isn't the issue.

[quote]He said it’s hard for him to find suits that fit.

Perhaps that may be partially true, but it's not entirely true all the time. There are such retail outlets called "Big and Tall Men" that carry all different suit sizes for larger men. So buy three suits at Big and Tall Men and be done with it. But if Fetterman is just going to complain that regular ol' Macy's does have his size, then he's full of shit and just making excuses for looking completely inappropriate. And then maybe on a Friday, there would be nothing wrong with wearing "business casual."

But this ugly and disrespectful outfit of a hoodie and basketball shorts in Congress, on television and everywhere else all the time (never dressing appropriately) is wrong. Fetterman should know better. And if not, he needs to be told over and over again to stop being an asshole.

He's merely saying that today's "progressives" are anything but!

Last year, we’d have called r31 a MAGAt.

Senator Gym Shorts

No John, it just made you more stupid.

That’s great, R15. You show those progressives by passively supporting Trump who’s already vowed to pound what’s left of Gaza and the Palestinians into the ground. That’ll resolve the conflict and show everyone!

"Brain damaged". That's all you need to understand about Fetterman's current Political Philosophy.

Boo Radley dressed as a Jr. High Schooler. He's a clown.

R20, victim of the hive mind who doesn't grasp reality. Only missing the obligatory Boris reference.

[quote] Your marriage will be dissolved by the government

No, it won’t.

[quote][R20], part of the shift I’ve felt in the past ten years is that I give absolutely no fucks about people’s (alleged progressives’) reactions to me voicing my opinions, be it name-calling, ad hominem attacks, or simply derision.

It's funny that there's no criticism of the right wing in your posts, r24.

There's no "radical left" there's just some terminally online people mentally masterbating.

Every political year, DL becomes infested with these both sides and 'the problem with Dems' trolls.

but did it make him a better driver?

I think I figured out why he won't wear a suit...but I could be wrong.

If you look at his body in profile, without the hood, he has a rather large hump on his back. I'm guessing the hoodie hides it pretty well (unlike a fitted suit).

Just sayin'.

R36, you are either a fucking retard or you have Trump embedded so deeply in your skull that you cannot reply without uttering his name, sort of like a reverse Voldemort situation.

I even stated that I wasn’t voting Republican, but you are so thoroughly brainwashed into b/w thinking that you can no longer comprehend literal statements.

❤️ - r15

He’s full of shit. He campaigned as a progressive *after* he had his stroke. And democrats defended him the whole time republicans were saying he needed to dropout, that his stroke made him ineligible, that he couldn’t speak, that he was a vegetable, etc. Remember, he ran against a very famous surgeon who declared him sick, damaged, unhealthy. Democrats stood by Fetterman.

He was a cutout all along.

After this accident he’ll become antiabortion.

Progressives see old school liberals as the problem and they call moderate democrats republicans. Personally, while I am not one, I do believe that progressive hearts are "mostly" in the right place, but they just refuse to read the room and some how missed the day in civics class that talked about Presidents not being kings and all powerful.

Strokes and heart attacks can truly change a persons personality. Fetterman is not that same man he was when people elected him, I see him going full on maga.

I wish he'd trade the shorts for pants.

I don't have a problem with shorts and a t-shirt but I think the shorts and hoodie combination is really sloppy.

[quote] There's three or four tailors in Philly who suit up the Sixers and Eagles. Sizing isn't the issue

He doesn’t have NBA money.

Watching this interview I realized I hade never heard Fetterman speak before. I actually thought he was quite impressive on the Maher show. He got a lot of laughs, and I thought he was charming. An odd duck, but charming.

[quote] He doesn’t have NBA money.

His father does.

For R10, and everyone else wondering about the dress code: "Washington, DC – Today, the U.S. Senate passed U.S. Senators Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Mitt Romney's (R-UT) bipartisan resolution that would reinstate the business attire dress code on the Senate floor. The Senate passed the resolution by unanimous consent." Sep 27, 2023

I saw him on The View, December 2023, he had to have a closed-captioning monitor because of "lingering hearing and processing issues."

Processing issues? How is he allowed to remain in office?

I’m not going to abandon progressivism just because a lot of people on the left are nuts. People of every political stripe are always going to suck, that’s life. Principles are principles no matter what.

You couldn’t make this up. It’s sounds like an episode of Veep.

[quote]The problem is more people vote Republican than vote Democrat...

Sure, Jan.

PA is tilting more left anyway

[quote] I saw him on The View, December 2023, he had to have a closed-captioning monitor because of "lingering hearing and processing issues." Processing issues? How is he allowed to remain in office?

Are you saying people with disabilities can’t hold public office?

[quote] I do believe that progressive hearts are "mostly" in the right place, but they just refuse to read the room

I think many progressives have taken the insights of critical race theory (which works as a critical perspective on liberal ideology) and turned it into the sole means of understanding the world. This does not lead to the liberal goal of ending racial discrimination. It turns racial discrimination into a fetish. Except the tables are turned. Now it is the whites (and especially straight, cis white men) who are on the bottom.

It’s got a lot of psychological appeal for people who have gained entry into elite institutions but fail to feel fully at home or successful. They can blame oppression for their failings.

The “solidarity” commandment can make various groups who consider themselves oppressed feel powerful, but it leads to a lack of critical thinking which results in absurdities like Queers for Hamas and minds entirely closed to the perspectives of anyone deemed privileged. It’s anti-intellectualism dressed up as intellectualism. Very destructive.

[quote] I’ve also abandoned progressivism. I think there are far more of us than Democrats realize.

RIP all those posters who were red-tagged for coming to this conclusion.

It's not that liberals abandoned progressives, but progressives abandoned liberals

"I used to believe in equality and the value of every human life. Then some people started dying their hair blue so now I believe the gas chamber is too good for em!"

That cartoon is bullshit for suggesting the right has been standing still while the left got more extreme, moving the liberal into the right.

There are liberals and conservatives who have broken from their parties’ extremes, but the extreme right is in more or less total control of the GOP where progressives have always been a minority among Democrats.

That’s a very accurate statement R64.

Fetterman needs to be made a one termer. We need someone who is not brain damaged in that seat.

Bah. He'll be in the Senate until 2028!

Well, at least he's still voting with the Democrats.

[quote] We need someone who is not brain damaged in that seat.

Yet I bet you support Joe's election in 2024

Maybe the centrists and normie-liberal Dems would have more support and cachet if they weren't so fucking catastrophically wrong about everything for the first 20 years of this century.

They supported the Iraq War, forgiving the bankers after the 2008 crash, half-measures on health care.

If you're 40 years old, your entire political life has been one huge misstep by centrist-liberals after the other.

And Fetterman essentially lied his way into this job. I'll take him over whatever MAGA Choad the Rs vomit up, but he'll have to pay some kind of political price for fucking over his core constituency like this.

R60, disabilities? This man is the Democrat's version of Trump. They think the rules don't apply to them.

He suffered a debilitating stroke yet refused to release his health records so voters could make an informed decision.

He abandoned his senatorial duties by checking himself into Walter Reed Med Center for SIX WEEKS to battle his debilitating depression and crippling anxiety.

He refuses to follow the dress code. AP Quote: "He votes from the doorway of the Democratic cloakroom or the side entrance, making sure his “yay” or “nay” is recorded before ducking back out." Schumer kissed his ass by relaxing the dress code, the other senators said yeah, no. Within days they unanimously voted to reinstate the dress code.

The latest? This idiot just rear-ended someone while behind the wheel. What the hell is he doing driving a car?

You think he's fit for office? Really?

I think Fetterman actually died and this is his substitute.

As a proud bougie liberal I support R64’s post.

[quote] Maybe the centrists and normie-liberal Dems would have more support and cachet if they weren't so fucking catastrophically wrong about everything for the first 20 years of this century.

The left can’t impose its will by fiat. Laws have to pass Congress.

It’s easy to talk about what you think should have been done. It’s quite a bit more difficult to actually accomplish it.

Plenty of normie-liberals opposed the war in Iraq. It was in violation of just war theory.

This is pure Maher porn, he must have fingered himself throughout the interview

Senators are allowed to have health emergencies.

Save your criticism for the ones who cling to office for decades even with dementia.

No. Maher wanted him to criticize Biden for running, but Fetterman said he thinks Biden is the only Democrat who could beat Trump. Bill was not happy.

R47, we’re ALL against abortion. We’re FOR a woman’s right to make her own medical decisions.

[quote]John Fetterman virtually says brain damage made him more conservative

He didn't virtually say it. He actually said it.

Oh, dear.

R76, he came in with health issues which he refused to reveal when running for office. Go defend someone worth defending. Is the bar so low at this point that you think he was a qualified candidate?

People knew he had had a stroke when he ran. If you don’t think he revealed enough health information when running, then don’t vote for him, but accept the fact that he won. He was and remains fully qualified

[quote]It’s easy to talk about what you think should have been done. It’s quite a bit more difficult to actually accomplish it.

Obama had 60 senators and a majority of the House. Obamacare was a watered-down half-measure, destroyed by the Supreme Court, who's only really effective piece was expanding Medicare.

Later, he let every single business criminal off the hook for the massive fraud that precipitated the 2008 economic collapse.

Sen. Hillary Clinton went on an interview tour with John McCain to beat the drums for the Iraq War, then she became the party's nominee and fucked up running against the most patently offensive clown the Republican party could come up with.

I voted for both of these politicians. More than once. But it won't do to pretend that they didn't make huge mistakes and that those mistakes have consequences.

So what are you going to do? Vote for Trump?

Besides, your fundamental premise—that Dems would have more support if they were more progressive— is deeply flawed. Most progressives will already quite logically support them vs. the GOP, but most swing voters are not looking for the party to move left.

R81, let's agree to disagree.

ciwjfvnjsdjnvklnmclnsdkmkvnvk jfoisjijdfnlifojnsionid (this last bit was Fetterman's contribution to my post.)

So qualified.

Now that he's more conservative, could he please put on a pair of pants? It's disrespectful to the office her holds--though of course one could argue that there is precious little left to be respectful of.

No, my point is that Centrist Dems would have more support and there'd have been less juice behind progressives (the DL's greatest enemy) if Centrist Dems weren't wrong about everything. If they had been bolder and more assertive.

Case in point - what is Senator Dick Durbin - centrist Dem extraordinaire - doing about the flagrant corruption on the Supreme Court? Nothing. He's shrugging his shoulders. This is what the under 40s have seen from Centrist Dems their whole lives. To them, yes the Rs are awful, but what is so great about Centrist Dems? That they aren't ogres?

In that light, the DL's most hated figure - AOC - seems a lot more attractive.

Of course, these days, the Queers for Palestine crowd think SHE's a Centrist Dem. So life is funny.

r64 and r72 I'm pretty sure the cartoon is an illustration of how classical liberals are now viewed by the far-left as right-wing for holding the same views they've always had that made them liberal in the first place. Like, for example, what the definition of a woman is.

R85, we're one MTG vs AOC knock-down, drag-out fight away from Taiwan's politicians' standard of acceptable behavior.

The AI Trolls are parasites that will attach to any political thread.

Can't wait for the elections.

It's not AOC's fault that MTG is trash.

Nice try R87, but the far left isn’t any further left then it was when my parents were young yippies.

The far left is different. It used to be all about economics—socialism and communism—and now it’s all about identity—oppression vs. privilege,

Gay marriage used to be a far left dream, but is now widely accepted. Environmentalism used to be considered leftist. Now it’s mainstream. Trans people were rare, now the progressive mantra is that trans women are women and should always be treated just like other women. It used to be unusual to see a Black person on TV or in the movies and gays were invisible except as jokes. Now it’s common to see a commercial with an interracial couple or a gay couple.

It makes little sense to me to characterize the shift to identity politics in terms of more or less “left.” However, a focus on race and gender identity probably trigger more people than expanding health care and taxing the rich.

The concerns of the left change over time. The concerns of the right are resisting whatever the left wants, and turning back the clock to Leave it to Beaver and Mayberry RFD.

[quote]R21: When did "progressive," which until recently just meant pro-social programs and working class (as opposed to the Wall Street-type liberals), become a label for the doctrinaire far left?

Like 'ANTIFA,' what you call 'the doctrinaire far left' is a creation of the far right.

Since people began allowing trolls like Anscher and Nĝo on social media to define 'progressives' as stunts like 'Queers For Hamas' and the worst exaggerations in political discourse. Mind you, it's right wingers promoting and amplifying this (amplification is critical). It's like Cernovich and friends unfurling the NAMBLA banner back in 2017, but with waaay more coverage. They've completely taken over the narrative, and are trying to convince everyone that this is what it means to be, not merely progressive, but Democrat.

[quote]R91: The concerns of the right are 𝑟𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 whatever the left wants...

FIFY.

[quote] Like 'ANTIFA,' what you call 'the doctrinaire far left' is a creation of the far right.

That’s bullshit. They call themselves “progressives.”

Personally, I don't think Democrats value voting or understand the value of voting in every election, not just the presidential election every 4 years. I understand that some states put up roadblocks to suppress voting, but if it's important to you, you can deal with the roadblocks and beat them at their own game.

If progressives were half as smart as they all seem to think they are, they would realize that they would get more of what they want from the moderate/mainstream democrat, than they would from any republican candidate. Change is not immediate. Play the long game.

[quote]R95: That’s bullshit. They call themselves “progressives.”

And you link the Progressive Congressional Caucus.

But there's quite some disconnect there. At the Progressive Congressional Congress, there's no radical, screaming loonies with piercings and colored hair, nothing like Blair White and Jessica Yaniv, no 'Queers For Hamas', no arsonists and attackers, none of the spectacles that far right trolls keep propagating here on the DL as supposed examples of 'progressives.'

Just Congresspeople advocating for universal healthcare, and climate and economic justice.

What gives?

And if you compare the Progressive Congressional Caucus with the lunatics of the Freedom Caucus, you get an actual view of that the stakes of this election actually are and what the cleavages of the US actually are.

This whole progressives vs. liberals nonsense is total bullshit.

I am no longer a progressive. I am, however, very firmly a liberal Democrat.

If all he's saying is that he's not far left? Good. This means he actually speaks for most Dems.

If what he's saying is that he's on the right? Then fuck him.

Hopefully the example of Kyrstin Sinema is a lesson.

[quote] This whole progressives vs. liberals nonsense is total bullshit.

This thread says otherwise.

As a liberal I have a lot in common with the progressive caucus of the Democratic Party with some policy disagreements regarding things like the grounds for March in rights under Bayh-Dole.

90% of the Republican Party OTOH, has gone full on traitor-fascist.

And yes, there is absolutely a Russia-aligned right wing attempt to get progressives to embrace stupid ideas and/or pretend progressives are embracing stupid ideas if their attempts fail completely.

[quote] a Russia-aligned right wing attempt to get progressives to embrace stupid ideas

I’m sorry, if you embrace stupid ideas, you can’t blame the Russians.

Grateful for Fetterman.Love his outspokenness.

r91 I see you haven't been paying attention.

R105 you must be young.

r106 No. I just happen to know that the 'yippies' of the 60s and 70s were able to give the correct definition of what a woman is without being labeled a hateful "right-wing" bigot.

I was so happy when AOC was elected. A democratic socialist from NY; she wasn’t from a rich family, not a nepo baby; didn’t go to an Ivy League; she worked as a bartender.

And she’s a complete fucking idiot.

She worked against Pelosi who was the first female SoH and was being attacked more than any other SoH in my lifetime. Pelosi is no saint; she’s definitely a nepo baby …but shit had to get done and Pelosi was the one trying to get it done while walking on a tightrope. And AOC walks in there with her lame attacks on centrist democrats in one of the worst times to be a democrat. She exhibits no common sense, pals around with complete nutcases like Tlaib and she’s undermining her own party when a madman like Trump is flailing around.

She’s a fucking moron. Pelosi’s husband was nearly killed. It’s a dangerous time to be a democrat and a woman and AOC piled on just like the fucking GOP.

Now we’ve got Fetterman walking around in shorts like a big baby saying his brain damage is a good thing and smashes into a car.

I miss Moynihan. He had problems, but I always understood why he did and said what he did and he said.

R108, another AI Troll post. I loved her, loved her story, loved everything about her ... until I didn't.

What bullshit. Go away.

I like a lot about AOC but she didn't play "the game", such as it is.

There's a lot of politicians who are popular with constituents because they aren't playing the game - whether they are able to get legislation passed without doing so is another thing entirely.

J. D. Fetterman

[quote]There's a lot of politicians who are popular with constituents because they aren't playing the game

There is a difference between being popular with constituents and being drawn into an uber democratic district where you can act a fool all you want and have no fear of losing your seat. Most democrats aren't that lucky and are constantly fighting challenges from the right, so they have to be more centrist or moderate. In many places, democrats cannot win without crossover votes from independents and moderate republicans. And way too many progressives and democratic socialists don't take that into consideration.

Hypocrite AOC in a nutshell, attends the Met Gala but pretends it's to promote her socialist values. She's full of it.

r113 Aren't individual tickets to the Met Gala like $50,000?

These older white guys were comfortable with the left when the “identity politics” favored them, but now that others want a seat at the table they’re turning towards the reich

R114,

Another for R114. The ticket price was supposedly $30,000 for 2021's gala. I believe it was $50,000 for 2024.

He’ll be dead soon.When Trump gets back in we’ll all be dead soon.

Well shit.

WTF is up with Gen Xers being political turncoats after they take office?

Korsakoff syndrome dementia is the worst. In my years of caring for the old and infirm the only time i came close to vomiting was while cleaning out the mouth of one of these who was eating her own excrement.

I guess I will now call myself an old school liberal Democrat.

Should've been Conor Lamb.

In 4 years he’s be a great VP or even Pres candidate if his health holds up. He’d be a rare Dem who could pick up votes from Repubs. That would be a fun campaign to watch.

Republicans hate nothing more than a smart, beautiful Latina who gets a ticket to the Met Gala.

She was probably paid to be there.

Arrrrrgh.

Interesting that Elise Stefanik was overlooked.

Fat, dumpy, cunty, stupid Elise.

Or MTG. Invitation lost in the mail?

I am glad that the Democratic Party includes people with a range of perspectives. It encourages critical thinking and results in more thoughtful legislation. Rather than bemoaning a lack of groupthink, we ought to be celebrate being a party of independent thinkers not afraid to respectfully debate ideas, consider the perspectives of all constituencies and come to strong solutions through compromise. Let’s not let the haters make us ashamed of our strengths.

One of the best things about AOC is how insane with rage she makes all the Klan Grannies of the DL.

I'm a Democrat but I don't agree with far left. I definitely lean center. I don't hate Israel but I think both them and Palestine are in the wrong. The Queers for Palestine are idiots. Do they know they'd be imprisoned or worse in a Muslim country? What the fuck is wrong with them?

I do believe a lot of these far left protests are stirred up by right wing groups though as posted above. Same with the the old BLM.

R89 What the hell is an AI troll? Does that refer to Artificial intelligence? AOC might lose her next election. It's pretty stupid to support Hamas and Palestinians in an area that houses a huge number of Jews.

God you're such a fucking moron.

She won with something like 80% of the vote last time around.

Also, she continually speaks out against anti-semitism.

I know that idea might make you upset or colicky. But she does.

She's not gonna lose.

Also - in America, we don't say "an area that houses a huge number"

It's awkward and overformal.

Tell your English teacher that.

[quote]I'm a Democrat but

Virtually!? How so?

I don’t mind AOC. Just want Jamal Bowman to lose. Which looks likely.

R126, ElderLez, yes please address someone with the wrong pronoun and let's all sit back and thoughtfully observe "this party of independent thinkers not afraid to respectfully debate ideas, consider the perspectives of all constituencies and come to strong solutions through compromise."

Just curious how you feel about a transwoman who still has their original genitalia serving time in a women's prison? Or how about the same scenario except it's a woman's public bathroom? Or how about trans in women's sports?

R132 further proves my point.

Mod Dems exist. Deal with it.

R130, she doesn't support "Hamas" and she represents a heavily Dem district where she is popular

R135, "elder pseudo-lez" thinks male rapists with their male genitalia who claim to be women should be housed in women's prisons because they are allegedly women (what "elder pseudo-lez" calls "man born women").

[quote]please address someone with the wrong pronoun and let's all sit back and thoughtfully observe

Maybe trans ppl yell at you because you're a total asshole

This moderate-vs-progressive debate is so tired. Many of us are somewhere in between.

Monomaniacal much?

Actually I did misgender someone at work this past year (voting record unknown) and I was politely reminded of the pronouns listed in the signature block.

Go look at what I’ve actually said about sports and prison. I have posted my thoughts on DL. They aren’t as you have represented them, but I’ve no interest in derailing this thread to chase your fixation.

Can't this grown fucking man ever wear pants?

He's what, 60 years old? And married with kids? And he represents an entire state in the Senate? Why is he always wearing stained hoodies and basketball shorts.

Get the fuck outta here with this "medical crisis" noise and put on a normal amount of clothing. Act like you've got a job, dickweed.

Your only post, r137? Posting from another account?

r135 - Go back to watching The View.

R140, kindly get over yourself. I was asking you these questions because I wanted to know, as you're a supposed lesbian of a certain age, how you felt about this issue. Most lesbians don't want men who claim to be women invading their spaces.

Lastly, your delusions of grandeur are hilarious albeit disturbing. Do you honestly think I should know your position on this issue just because you post on this site?

Again, r144, stop trolling here and go back to the vapid View thread.

R143 R145, you're all over the "vapid View thread. I suppose that makes you vapid.

Thanks for proving my point about ElderLez's ridiculous assertion "this party of independent thinkers not afraid to respectfully debate ideas, consider the perspectives of all constituencies and come to strong solutions through compromise."

Yes, those who disagree are dismissed as trolls. Thanks so much for respecting my perspective on this matter.

[quote][R143] [R145], you're all over the "vapid View thread. I suppose that makes you vapid.

LoL, r146, You're wrong...of course.

[quote]Thanks so much for respecting my perspective on this matter.

Uh, you've yet to post anything that would garner respect.

Here you go, Zippy.

The View — Part 28, Season 27 r29/OP - Bless your heart.

The View — Part 28, Season 27 Hunter bashing, r54? Well, at least you're transparent.

The View — Part 28, Season 27 Is the disclaimer really that hard to understand? The trial is going on.

The View — Part 28, Season 27 Yes, r302, but not quite as much. Obviously there's more going on right now.

Individual sports - use a correction factor, plus/minus for ftm/mtf to normalize scores to allow competition at level that would have occurred in the absence of transition.

Group sports - separate trans only teams.

Penis and history of assault of women - men’s prison

Penis and no history- bunk with someone of the same

No penis and history- bunk with someone of the same

No penis and no history - women’s prison

Bullying male trolls on DL - future Muriel red tag

[quote] This moderate-vs-progressive debate is so tired. Many of us are somewhere in between.

That’s why listing out your positions on the key issues of the day if far more informative that using a one word label to describe one’s basket of personal views. I keep telling people on DL that I don’t care what their preferred label is; I just want to know what their actual views on issues are.

[quote][R143] [R145], you're all over the "vapid View thread.

Four posts constitutes "all over" the thread, r148? Doesn't quite compare to your *79* posts.

R153, You visited the "vapid" thread and you posted comments in the "vapid" thread. You lied.

R151, how is asking for your position on certain progressive ideas trolling? And why do you automatically assume I am a male? Rather presumptuous of you to be a defender of trans rights then proceed to attack someone by an assumed gender. How hypocritical.

[quote]You lied.

No, I didn't, r154. You *were* wrong. Four posts isn't posting "all over" in a thread.

Way off-topic at this point. Back on topic: Fetterman is unfit for office.

R155, seek help.

ElderLez, have a lovely evening.

r151 -

Yes, ElderLez, have a lovely evening. And *I'm* being sincere.

Thank you, R152. There are some issues that I am VERY progressive on. Others, I'm very much more moderate on.

I don't know when or why this became an either/or situation? I suspect most Democrats are actually more like me than the black-or-white centrists vs. leftists.

Pennsylvania Democrat Sen. John Fetterman was speeding at the time when he hit a car Sunday, and police say he is at fault.

According to a recently released police report obtained by DailyMail.com, the Democrat is 'at fault' for hitting a car while driving 'at a high rate of speed, well over the posted speed limit.'

Maryland State Police told DailyMail.com the senator was driving a Chevrolet Traverse when he rear-ended a Chevrolet Impala in northern Maryland near the Pennsylvania and West Virginia border on Sunday.

Following the crash both of the Fettermans were transported to War Memorial Hospital in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia. Sen. Fetterman was treated for a bruised shoulder.

No citations were issued,' authorities said before adding 'The crash investigation remains active and ongoing.'

If you look at the facts, like your previous statements, the party did not leave you, you left the party. Same goes for you Bill Maher. TRUTH

So brain damage turns you into a conservative, that actually makes sense if you think about it. MAGA is full of brain damaged individuals😂

R154, did I tag you in that post? I did not. It seems like you self-identified and then self-offended.

R162, I don't self-identify I just am. I also possess functioning gray matter (unlike Mr. Fetterman) and in doing so I deduced that you were referring to me.

A self-identifying trait of the modern progressive? Passive-aggressiveness.