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Bad Boys Ride or Die box office

This is tracking $40 million, just like everything has been tracking $40 million and opening $10 million less.

Who is the audience for this? Martin Lawrence is 59 and Will Smith is 55. The first Bad Boys was made so long ago, Don Simpson produced it.

Millennials are staying in for stars in their 40s so it stands to reason X-llenials are also going to wait for this on streaming.

$29 million opening.

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by Anonymousreply 178June 17, 2024 8:19 AM

It has a chance among straight guys and Blacks.

by Anonymousreply 1June 6, 2024 1:36 AM

Generation X and millennials are not going to the movies for any action movies with stars their age. That will be the truth for black and white audiences.

Hollywood needed to reconnect with audiences by bringing in new material. Even last year we saw a major flop with old action hero Harrison Ford. And Tom Cruise’s MI7 saw a significant dropoff. These franchises are too old and the actors are too stale. Bad Boys will continue the downward trend.

by Anonymousreply 2June 6, 2024 1:45 AM

only 29 million?

That would be a real slap in the face.

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by Anonymousreply 5June 6, 2024 1:55 AM

Hollywood is becoming more cost conscious and less risk averse, so fewer total movies are going to be made over time. There has been a dark, noticeable absence of twinks from almost any popular films. This has obviously crashed and burned Marvel and Star Wars franchises already because they’re shitting on an entire demographic. The drought of celeb twinks coming out since Noah Schnapp is also because twinks are just not around anymore. It’s even easier to hire UK heteros for American gay roles. lol capitalism is doing its thing tho I guess

by Anonymousreply 6June 6, 2024 2:09 AM

I'd watch if Martin is dressed like Sheneneh the whole time!

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by Anonymousreply 7June 6, 2024 5:52 AM

Agreed R7, though teenaged me found Otis the security guard slightly funnier.

by Anonymousreply 8June 6, 2024 5:59 AM

Its reviews are not strong and ultimately, who cares? There is no reason why this needs to be seen in a theater. Plus Will Smith is thoroughly disgraced.

by Anonymousreply 9June 6, 2024 5:59 AM

[quote]Who is the audience for this? Martin Lawrence is 59 and Will Smith is 55. The first Bad Boys was made so long ago, Don Simpson produced it.

The third movie, BAD BOYS FOR LIFE, came out in early 2020, and was a smash hit in theaters, topping the box office for 3 weeks.

Of course, this was just before Covid and before Will Smith disgraced himself at the Oscars.

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by Anonymousreply 10June 6, 2024 6:27 AM

[quote]It’s even easier to hire UK heteros for American gay roles. lol

He's not gay, he's British. 😂

by Anonymousreply 11June 6, 2024 6:31 AM

Bad Boys for Life WAS the reunion movie. It was made after a 17 year absence. This was made after a four year absence. In between, Will Smith ruined his reputation and COVID destroyed habitual moviegoing.

I would be very surprised if it doesn’t underperform. Every action movie starring a star over 40 has bombed.

This is a pattern. Two Henry Cavill movies, a Ryan Gosling movie, a Chris Hemsworth movie. The audience for action movies with anyone over forty has abandoned habitual moviegoing.

Meanwhile, what is essentially an action movie merged with a character driven drama, The Last of Us, has made a nearly fifty year old Hispanic gay man one of the most popular actors in the world. Because the audience for this kind of entertainment not only wants to see it at home, but they want to see something they can emotionally invest in. They avoid movies because they have been trained to expect better quality than the glib product that blockbuster action movies typically deliver. And for that, you can blame Game of Thrones. In which he also appeared.

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by Anonymousreply 12June 6, 2024 2:31 PM

Even better example. The biggest breakout star of the year is a fifty two year man who has been acting for thirty years. Again, a genre blend of sci fi action movie with character drama.

This is what people in their 30s and 40s want to see. They will only go out for the occasional spectacle, like Barbenheimer or Dune. The kind of movies Tom Cruise made in his forties like Minority Report and War of the Worlds could not be made for theaters today, with an actor also in his forties. But they would be phenomenal hits on television.

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by Anonymousreply 13June 6, 2024 2:44 PM

I heard it leaked online already.

by Anonymousreply 14June 6, 2024 2:57 PM

I checked and it isn't on the big torrent sites R14.

by Anonymousreply 15June 6, 2024 3:07 PM

I think it will flop, and Hollywood will officially go into panic mode over the summer box office.

by Anonymousreply 16June 6, 2024 6:12 PM

I looked at a 7:00 show in SF in a big theater and only 11 seats were taken.

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by Anonymousreply 18June 6, 2024 9:52 PM

Opening wknd of Bad Boys: Lipitor or Die will be a test to see if old fart Gen-X men still go to the theaters.

Who could imagine the Fresh Prince of Bel Air would one day only appeal to an elderly demographic?

by Anonymousreply 19June 6, 2024 10:04 PM

R16: I guess Inside Out 2 and Deadpool & Wolverine are the only Summer releases that are technically safe.

by Anonymousreply 20June 6, 2024 10:06 PM

Can’t they beat that dead horse one more time???

by Anonymousreply 21June 6, 2024 10:28 PM

Stop talking about Jada!

by Anonymousreply 22June 6, 2024 10:40 PM

Twisters tickets for IMAX, Dolby, and Standard are on sale today.

by Anonymousreply 23June 6, 2024 10:57 PM

Bomb incoming

7:30 tonight Cinemark Playa Vista (Los Angeles)

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by Anonymousreply 24June 6, 2024 11:17 PM

7:00 Dallas IMAX

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by Anonymousreply 25June 6, 2024 11:21 PM

7:05 (playing now) Universal Orlando

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by Anonymousreply 26June 6, 2024 11:24 PM

I think they died. I can't imagine them riding. Maybe they died in the process of riding.

by Anonymousreply 27June 6, 2024 11:38 PM

The box office doom troll has returned, ready to upchuck his hate for everything cinema.

And me.

by Anonymousreply 28June 6, 2024 11:52 PM

The Twisters team is already starting the promo. They’re probably so scared shitless looking at the state of the box office and they have a $200 million dollar budget.

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by Anonymousreply 29June 7, 2024 12:13 AM

Twisters made a big mistake by casting a very bland, very forgettable looking Daisy Edgar-Jones in the role. I do not know why Hollywood will go to the mat for these identical British actresses. They needed to cast someone from the South or Midwest, because this is a red state event film. Powell was the perfect actor for this.

by Anonymousreply 30June 7, 2024 12:52 AM

R30: Especially since the trailer gives the impression her character will be the main protagonist and that Powell perhaps is borderline supporting.

by Anonymousreply 31June 7, 2024 1:14 AM

I really don’t think the actress in Twister has any bearing on whether it will be a successful movie.

by Anonymousreply 32June 7, 2024 1:25 AM

The next big 💣

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by Anonymousreply 33June 7, 2024 2:39 AM

The bottom line is that people don't want to see movies in a public movie theatre anymore. The writing has been on the wall and getting increasingly louder for several decades now. Hollywood ignored it. There's really nothing else to say.

by Anonymousreply 34June 7, 2024 3:02 AM

Will Smith is not box office anymore. Remember Omega Man aka Box Office Hiroshima? And that Apple TV film that sank without a trace?

The 1990s called. Even they don’t want this franchise back.

by Anonymousreply 35June 7, 2024 3:26 AM

People want to see movies in theaters but Hollywood does not give them anything other than same franchises that they have seen for decades. Movies are considered expensive now, they don’t want to spend money on something they’ve already seen.

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by Anonymousreply 37June 7, 2024 3:36 AM

I don’t think people do want to see movies in the theater anymore, R36. It’s like work from home. Everyone has the resources and the equipment to do it from the comfort of their homes (televisions are cheap, broadband is low latency and high speed) so why spend $30 at the theatre.

Hollywood needs to get with the program and start pricing its streaming offerings accordingly.

But until that happens I am so cute.

by Anonymousreply 38June 7, 2024 3:52 AM

We can also have everything we want to eat delivered to our home but restaurants still exist. People like to leave the house.

by Anonymousreply 39June 7, 2024 3:56 AM

R6, are you unaware of Timothée Chalamet in Dune or Nicholas Galitzine being cast as He-Man?

by Anonymousreply 40June 7, 2024 3:57 AM

The TWISTERS trailer and cast look so 'woke,'

i.e. diverse crew and female leader.

99% of storm chasers are white and male.

Very, very few females or POC.

And the men are always the leaders.

The original film got that right.

by Anonymousreply 41June 7, 2024 1:59 PM

[quote]Very, very few females or POC.

That should be, practically no females or POC.

by Anonymousreply 42June 7, 2024 2:03 PM

R41: If it turns out to be a disappointment, we'll know why.

by Anonymousreply 43June 7, 2024 2:22 PM

I don't think I've ever seen a POC storm chaser.

They've all been white men.

Maybe one or two females here and there, but they tend to be girlfriends or groupies.

Storm chasing is really a white man's domain.

by Anonymousreply 44June 7, 2024 2:36 PM

R41, Helen Hunt was the lead of the original Twister, and Jami Gertz had a significant (and incredibly annoying) supporting role behind Bill Paxton and Cary Elwes. The gender composition of the leads is essentially the same as it was in 1996, and the major difference in casting is more Latino characters (Brandon Perea, Anthony Ramos).

This isn't a female Ghostbusters situation by any means.

by Anonymousreply 45June 7, 2024 2:38 PM

I wonder how The Bikeriders with Austin Butler and Tom Hardy will do when it's released later this month.

by Anonymousreply 46June 7, 2024 2:51 PM

Deadline says it's a success (at least in Thursday previews).

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by Anonymousreply 47June 7, 2024 2:54 PM

R46: It's been sitting on a shelf forever. The studio will do little to no promo and then dump it.

by Anonymousreply 48June 7, 2024 2:55 PM

Bill Paxton was not supporting in TWISTER.

Yes, Helen Hunt was the main protagonist, but Paxton was the leader of the crew and has the same amount of screen time as Hunt.

When he arrives at the beginning of the movie to get her to sign the divorce papers, the crew (with Hunt at the helm) has been struggling without him.

When a twister suddenly hits, they talk Paxton into taking over and you know the rest of the movie.

After that, they're practically in every scene together to the very end.

by Anonymousreply 49June 7, 2024 2:55 PM

[quote] We can also have everything we want to eat delivered to our home but restaurants still exist.

Basic take. Try again.

First of all, no one said that restaurants don’t exist. Second of all going out to dinner is not the same thing as going to the movies.

by Anonymousreply 50June 7, 2024 2:56 PM

lol at Deadline’s analysis of Bad Boys box office.

At least one person on this thread — R12, et al. — doesn’t know what they are talking about.

by Anonymousreply 51June 7, 2024 3:00 PM

[R46]: It's been sitting on a shelf forever. The studio will do little to no promo and then dump it.

That's not true. It made its premiere last fall at TIFF and was due to come out at the beginning of 2024, but New Regency dumped it and Focus picked it right up. And as for promos, you can't drive a quarter mile in LA without seeing a billboard for it.

by Anonymousreply 52June 7, 2024 3:08 PM

We all know that all storm chasers are Trans Womyn of Color and they discovered tornadoes!🌪️

by Anonymousreply 53June 7, 2024 3:13 PM

“Demos (for BB4), which change throughout the weekend, were 36% Black, 29% Hispanic and Latino, 20% Caucasian, 10% Asian, and 4% other. Men over 25 were dominant at 40% followed by women over 25 at 38%.”

by Anonymousreply 54June 7, 2024 3:13 PM

[quote]I don’t think people do want to see movies in the theater anymore

R50 That's not a basic take?

by Anonymousreply 55June 7, 2024 3:22 PM

It can’t be a basic take when it reflects reality.

by Anonymousreply 56June 7, 2024 3:27 PM

Are men over 40 going to bring Bad Boys 4 to a $40 million opening?

by Anonymousreply 57June 7, 2024 3:41 PM

R57: If Generation X doesn't turn out for Bad Boys 4 this weekend, we can start writing the obituaries for Wolfs.

by Anonymousreply 58June 7, 2024 4:04 PM

Technically, Clooney and Pitt are Baby Boomers.

by Anonymousreply 59June 7, 2024 4:31 PM

So weird to think of Pitt as a baby boomer (or even Tom Cruise, who is 2 years older than him) because we Gen X'ers grew up with them. Pitt maybe not so much, but we were watching Cruise playing teenagers and high school students when we were teens and high school students.

by Anonymousreply 60June 7, 2024 4:35 PM

Unless there's a huge collapse in sales on Friday and Saturday, Bad Boys will probably just meet expectations. Hollywood will celebrate but will conveniently ignore the massive drop in week two.

by Anonymousreply 61June 7, 2024 7:00 PM

R61: I think Twisters will follow the same trajectory. I think it will at the very least break even and anything beyond that will be great luck.

by Anonymousreply 62June 7, 2024 7:05 PM

Apparently its over performing

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by Anonymousreply 63June 7, 2024 9:36 PM

If it ended in a sex-fueled suicide pact between the two leads I would go.

No, who am I kidding. I'd catch it on streaming

by Anonymousreply 64June 7, 2024 9:46 PM

I wonder who is seeing it when the theaters look empty.

by Anonymousreply 65June 7, 2024 10:08 PM

R65 go on AMC for tonight and look around. Most theatres are 80% sold. It’s going to open fine.

by Anonymousreply 66June 7, 2024 10:10 PM

Pumpkin-headed old men pointing rubber guns at stuff, yay.

by Anonymousreply 67June 7, 2024 10:34 PM

R66 out of curiosity, and based on your comment, I checked Fandango for tonight's showings in Portland at my local Regal theater, for both IMAX and standard showings. COMPLETELY UNSOLD. I think I saw maybe five or six seats sold in total

by Anonymousreply 68June 7, 2024 10:58 PM

Well, if it isn't a hit in Portland...

by Anonymousreply 69June 7, 2024 11:12 PM

It should be noted that Portland is the whitest major city in North America.

It is whiter than SLC or Edmonton or Winnipeg.

by Anonymousreply 70June 7, 2024 11:30 PM

Portland is also located in a state whose constitution bans Black people.

Movie’s not for you, Portland.

by Anonymousreply 71June 7, 2024 11:36 PM

Yes, the constitution in Oregon bans black people, r71.

This movie is going to still flop big time, even in states which allows blacks legally.

by Anonymousreply 72June 7, 2024 11:40 PM

Evidently not, honky.

by Anonymousreply 73June 7, 2024 11:45 PM

[quote] Yes, the constitution in Oregon bans black people, [R71].

No one said that or anything like that.

You're twisting my words around because you made a stupid claim, and now you're embarrassed, so you're going into attack mode to deflect attention.

by Anonymousreply 74June 7, 2024 11:49 PM

Box Office: ‘Bad Boys: Ride or Die' Makes $5.9 Million in Previews

by Anonymousreply 75June 7, 2024 11:50 PM

West Chicago suburbs, just starting

How is this doing $50 million

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by Anonymousreply 76June 8, 2024 12:01 AM

LA in 2 hours

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by Anonymousreply 77June 8, 2024 12:02 AM

Maybe walk-in business? Will Smith is back bitches!

by Anonymousreply 78June 8, 2024 12:17 AM

"Portland is also located in a state whose constitution bans Black people."



I couldn't twist them to be more absurd if I wanted to.

by Anonymousreply 79June 8, 2024 12:30 AM

R76, r77 here’s Atlanta area in 45 mins

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by Anonymousreply 80June 8, 2024 1:30 AM

The blks are fittin ta turn out for ol willie and maaaarrrrrrttttttiiinnnn laaawwwwrence

by Anonymousreply 81June 8, 2024 1:33 AM

[quote]Twisters made a big mistake by casting a very bland, very forgettable looking Daisy Edgar-Jones in the role. I do not know why Hollywood will go to the mat for these identical British actresses. They needed to cast someone from the South or Midwest, because this is a red state event film. Powell was the perfect actor for this.

Once Republicans take over EVERYTHING, there will be a figurative culling of foreign actors, who have benefited greatly from the Democrats' complete takeover of Hollywood within the past 20 years and going farther left, politically.



Most Americans are for the latter, when all is said and done.

by Anonymousreply 82June 8, 2024 6:27 AM

Everyone seems focused on Will Smith being the weak link in this movie, but let’s not forget that Martin Lawrence is a one note actor whose time came and went back in the 90s. No one wants to see his style of boring humor these days.

by Anonymousreply 83June 8, 2024 7:13 AM

R82 it’s too bad you haven’t followed the last 2 Immigration Bills unanimously blocked by the Republicans

by Anonymousreply 84June 8, 2024 8:35 AM

"More great news, knock on wood, that the marketplace is rebounding – a bit. Sony‘s Bad Boys: Ride or Die secured $21M today on its way to a $52M opening. While that’s what tracking saw three weeks ago, the sour market poured cold water on those prospects. Turns out, initial tracking was right."

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by Anonymousreply 85June 8, 2024 11:41 AM

This is a major victory for Wilma Smith,

by Anonymousreply 86June 8, 2024 2:58 PM

“Bad Boys for Life (the third movie from 2020) drew 58% under 35, with 42% Black moviegoers, 30% Caucasian, 18% Hispanic and Latino and 10% Asian American/other. The fourthquel (this one)… showed 50% under 35 with 44% Black, 26% Hispanic and Latino, 18% Caucasian and 12% Asian American/other buying tickets.”

This is what is interesting. It went from 60% black/Hispanic to 70% black/Hispanic. Caucasians dropped 12%!

Now I think I understand why this held up. Because this is one few well know franchises with Black stars. So Black and Hispanic audiences who probably are going to the theater just as infrequently as everyone else, chose to show up for this because it’s the kind of thing that Hollywood doesn’t even offer any more outside Michael B. Jordan. If Jonathan Majors didn’t destroy his career he could be making blockbuster action movies with Michael B. Jordan. So now it’s just Michael B. Jordan and he makes one movie every two years.

Bottom line, theaters are still fucked.

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by Anonymousreply 87June 8, 2024 3:20 PM

Agree. Minorities have made this movie a hit. They probably were starved for an action-comedy film designed for them.

by Anonymousreply 88June 8, 2024 3:57 PM

Here is a list of action-comedy films from the past two years featuring Black leads:

1. **They Cloned Tyrone** (2023) - John Boyega, Teyonah Parris, Jamie Foxx 2. **The Blackening** (2023) - Dewayne Perkins, Grace Byers, Jermaine Fowler 3. **Haunted Mansion** (2023) - Rosario Dawson 4. **The Equalizer 3** (2023) - Denzel Washington 5. **You People** (2023) - Eddie Murphy 6. **Good Burger 2** (2023) - Kenan Thompson, Kel Mitchell 7. **Day Shift** (2022) - Jamie Foxx 8. **Bullet Train** (2022) - Brian Tyree Henry

by Anonymousreply 89June 8, 2024 4:01 PM

What a shame this movie is going to do well. I was hoping we would have Will Smith out of our lives for good.

by Anonymousreply 90June 8, 2024 7:12 PM

I bet it drops more than 50% in its 2nd week.

by Anonymousreply 91June 8, 2024 7:55 PM

I think this is probably the first time in a longtime where there is not a high profile black comedian or comic actor that Hollywood is trying to make into the next Eddie Murphy or Chris Tucker.

Black comic actors were the biggest and most reliable stars in Hollywood at one point - now Hollywood doesn’t make the films in which they can use to launch careers.

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by Anonymousreply 92June 8, 2024 11:40 PM

Hollywood breathes a sigh of relief as the film appears to be doing better than expected. But weekend two will likely have a 60 percent (or more) drop.

Next week is "Inside Out 2," which will almost make or break the entire summer movie season. I will laugh my ass off if it underperforms.

by Anonymousreply 93June 8, 2024 11:59 PM

Both stars are rebounding from mental fragility/substance abuse/nervous breakdown rumours. Bad Boys, talking’ about those Sad Boys. I hope to God the film does at least well enough to spare them a tragic relapse. It’s like “let’s pray for them, Anita.”

by Anonymousreply 94June 9, 2024 12:56 AM

Inside Out 2 I would not be shocked for underperforming because I don’t think Pixar has as much value as a brand like when Inside Out came out. Inside Out was nine years ago; that movie premiered at Cannes, and it was something that was launched on Pixar’s reputation for adult appealing stories. Inside Out 2 feels “Disney”; it feels like a kiddie movie. The poster is very childish, like a Muppets show for Preschoolers. I also think Disney did incredible damage to its brand with the launch of DisneyPlus and the decision to route its movies there during the pandemic; I think Lightyear in particular damaged the audiences’ trust in “unnecessary” IP. If Inside Out was such an important movie they wouldn’t have waited nine years.

The poster seems designed to move merchandise.., but how many kids will want an ”Anxiety” plush?

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by Anonymousreply 95June 9, 2024 1:04 AM

82% minority turnout is huge for a big opening.

by Anonymousreply 96June 9, 2024 1:06 AM

I also feel like Pixar kind of burned Inside Out 2 by releasing Elemental last year, which felt like a sequel to Inside Out, so there may not be as high a desire to see something people think they just saw.

by Anonymousreply 97June 9, 2024 3:50 AM

Maybe BB4 box office shows how unpopular Ryan, Emily and Chris are.

by Anonymousreply 98June 9, 2024 4:08 AM

Oh this is why Will wants to be forgiven.

by Anonymousreply 99June 9, 2024 5:08 AM

Now up to $56 million

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by Anonymousreply 100June 9, 2024 2:44 PM

Just like I said in the other thread about Will Smith, his audience doesn’t give a shit about the Oscar slap.

The people on DL were so bad at judging the box office and the stage of Will Smith’s career cause they’re too old, white, and gay and have no understanding of how heterosexual men, especially minorities, are interested in.

It was like right wingers who were swearing “Barbie” was going to flop cause it was too woke and female oriented.

Just out of touch and illogical.

by Anonymousreply 101June 9, 2024 2:48 PM

I don’t like Will Smith either but I can separate my emotional opinion about him and be logical enough to know people still love Will Smith.

The people who don’t like Will Smith over the Oscars slap NEVER liked him and would never watch his blockbuster movies, especially Bad Boys.


by Anonymousreply 102June 9, 2024 2:50 PM

Bad Boys 3 actually did $62 million in its 2020 opening (it opened the MLK 4-day and did $73 in total)

$56 million only indicates a slight audience loss of around 10% (that would align with the 12% decrease in Caucasian ticketbuyers)

So the franchise suggests that audiences still want to go to the movies, but

A) minority audiences may be clinging to this because they’re so underserved by Hollywood

B) Caucasian audiences gave may have become indifferent to star power while minority audiences still support their stars (even after they become ostracized)

by Anonymousreply 103June 9, 2024 2:56 PM

Isn’t it a success because the franchise has been successful? At 55, Will could still do a few more action films catered to this audience but unless it’s this franchise, there is no guarantee of success.

by Anonymousreply 104June 9, 2024 2:59 PM

I wonder if they will trot out sequels to Independence Day and I Am Legend.

by Anonymousreply 105June 9, 2024 3:02 PM

Anthony D'Alessandro must be jizzing in his panties with excitement.

by Anonymousreply 106June 9, 2024 3:05 PM

R104 The franchise is it’s a Will Smith and Martin Lawrence playing buddy cops.

It’s not a franchise you can reboot or recast, it would bomb without Will Smith.

by Anonymousreply 107June 9, 2024 3:05 PM

[quote] The people on DL were so bad at judging the box office and the stage of Will Smith’s career cause they’re too old, white, and gay and have no understanding of how heterosexual men, especially minorities, are interested in. It was like right wingers who were swearing “Barbie” was going to flop cause it was too woke and female oriented.

Exactly. In the other thread, one eldergay was foaming at the mouth when I posted an article with predictions that this would be a hit. Once again, eldergays' box office predictions are always off because they're completely out of touch and live in their own bubble.

by Anonymousreply 108June 9, 2024 3:09 PM

Is Jada plotting at the red table to re-emerge as the black queen of Hollywood?

by Anonymousreply 109June 9, 2024 3:11 PM

Bad Boys is one of the best action movie franchises left, and there’s people in here who thought it would flop because of the Oscars slap? Are you kidding me? Nobody who likes Bad Boys gives a shit about that.

I saw it and had a great time, like always. I’ve seen every Bad Boys in theaters since Bad Boys II. Mike and Marcus are the best buddy cop duo since Riggs and Murtaugh. I’m looking forward to the next one.

by Anonymousreply 110June 9, 2024 3:24 PM

R104 Bad Boys is not a strong franchise, after all there was 17-year gap between the films 2 and 3

And Will Smith himself fronted the Men in Black franchise to diminishing returns on a more traditional franchise timeline (5 years between 1 and 2 and 10 years between 2 and 3).

Also remember that Columbia tried rebooting Men in Black in 2019 with Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson, 2 years after Thor Ragnorak was a huge hit. Men in Black International was a huge flop.

What Bad Boys to me says is not that franchises are strong but that audiences still want to see certain types of films and that includes these 90s type action films that are unrelated to sci-fi and superhero genres. Bad Boys was a buddy cop movie that Hollywood made very well on the 80s and 90s (Lethal Weapon was the template) and that audiences loved and that Hollywood simply did not bother to make anymore because it wasn’t GENRE. I think the preference for genre has more to do with merchandising and cross-promotions than actual studio enthusiasm for genre films. Remember Disney created Michael Bay’s career but you couldn’t put the characters from “The Rock”, “Armageddon” or “Pearl Harbor” on a lunchbox; you can put “Transformers.”

Speaking of which, Michael Bay actually made a good movie (two years ago?) called “Ambulance.” It starred Jake Gyllenhaal and Yahya Abdul-Mateen II (no offense but marketable names are important). It was not technically a buddy cop movie, it was an antihero movie, but it was as close to a 90s style non-genre action movie as has been released by a major studio (Universal) in a long time.

It bombed.

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by Anonymousreply 111June 9, 2024 3:27 PM

Speaking of action movies

This man was largely responsible for creating the biggest ones of the 80s and 90s

Now in the beginning of the aughts, the fluke success of “Pirates of the Caribbean” caused Jerry Bruckheimer to sell his soul to IP. This coincides with fall of Michael Eisner and the rise of Bob Iger. Bob Iger did not believe in “general entertainment.” He shut down Touchstone Pictures which had released most of Bruckheimer’s movies. Instead, Bruckheimer would produce genre IP for the studio’s Disney brand. This resulted in more Pirates, the “National Treasure” series, “The Prince of Persia”, “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice” and “The Lone Ranger.”

Jerry Bruckheimer produced this year’s “Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare” which grossed a whopping total of $20 million worldwide (it did not get international theatrical, presumably because other studios watched it before buying it.) Watching “Ministry”, it became clear Jerry Bruckheimer no longer knows how to produce an action movie. Large portions of the screen time revolve around Eiza Gonzalez’s character in a non-action espionage plot. The movie was marketed as a Henry Cavill/Alan Ritchson action movie. Cavill and Ritchson have excellent chemistry together. But, that was not the movie Bruckheimer delivered. The “Gentlemen” were poorly developed characters in a series of violent, confusing grindhouse violence-porn scenes, spliced alongside a completely different movie starring Eiza Gonzalez and Babs Olusanmokun. I couldn’t believe someone decided to take a fairly simple “Inglorious Bastards” knockoff concept and decided that the movie needed to revolve around a non-famous woman. That’s the disconnect in filmmaking now. People are abandoning concepts that worked because it has to be, um, “modern” (turns eyes toward Kathleen Kennedy.)

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by Anonymousreply 112June 9, 2024 3:59 PM

This is literally what happened to “The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.”

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by Anonymousreply 113June 9, 2024 4:03 PM

Speaking of which

How the fuck did they predict The Acolyte

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by Anonymousreply 115June 9, 2024 4:34 PM

[QUOTE] Bad Boys is not a strong franchise, after all there was 17-year gap between the films 2 and 3.

I think that’s a testament to the strength of the franchise. That they can take those long hiatuses whenever Will Smith screws off to do other projects and then pick up without missing a beat? Should’ve been a death sentence. What other franchises besides James Bond and the friggin Halloween horror movies can successfully pull that off?

by Anonymousreply 116June 9, 2024 4:50 PM

Good for Will Smith. The film got solid reviews as well. At least every film isn’t a flop.

by Anonymousreply 117June 9, 2024 11:52 PM

$56 million, $104 million worldwide on a $100 million production budget.

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by Anonymousreply 118June 10, 2024 1:03 AM

Bad Boys is making about as much money as it would have made if the pandemic never happened.

This is not the life raft Hollywood needs.

by Anonymousreply 119June 10, 2024 1:19 AM

Does this mean we’ll see more of Will? I hope not.

Team Chris.

by Anonymousreply 120June 10, 2024 1:22 AM

It means we will see another Bad Boys movie which will take the actors through the series into their sixties.

Hollywood always learns the wrong lesson.

by Anonymousreply 121June 10, 2024 1:26 AM

At least M. Night Shyamalan's cunt nepo daughter's film was a gigantic flop, critically and commercially.

by Anonymousreply 122June 10, 2024 1:29 AM

Op God were you wrong!

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by Anonymousreply 123June 10, 2024 1:31 AM

Will Smith surprises a screening at Baldwin Hills

This is why we need movie stars. This is why people liked this movie. Because it combined a person everyone knows whom they have affection for, with an entertaining story. Hollywood simply forgot that element. They thought IP is king, it’s not. It’s the need for entertainment.

That’s why DC failed and Marvel succeeded in Phase One, because Marvel made entertainment. Now Marvel is failing because it’s no longer entertaining.

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by Anonymousreply 124June 10, 2024 2:10 AM

If Hollywood wants to rebuild, it has to build its movie stars back up.

Will Smith was proof this weekend that star power can still exist.

I read on Reddit in a Chris Hemsworth thread that he’s not a box office draw but Hollywood chooses him because his name is press friendly in that he can get magazines and TV bookings easily and draw in the promo circuit despite not drawing in an audience.

That makes sense. That was basically someone like George Clooney. And you can see it today in many actors. They all have acclaim and press and no one watches their movies.

That’s why I’m interested in Glen Powell and “Twisters” this summer. He was able to get a rom com hit, he was able to do a press tour and hype for the Netflix movie, now “Twisters” is the big moment to see if his career is smoke and mirrors or can he actually be the first “movie star” / box office draw in a long time.

by Anonymousreply 125June 10, 2024 3:22 AM

The LA Times came to the same conclusion

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by Anonymousreply 126June 10, 2024 7:20 PM

[quote]I read on Reddit in a Chris Hemsworth thread that he’s not a box office draw but Hollywood chooses him because his name is press friendly in that he can get magazines and TV bookings easily and draw in the promo circuit despite not drawing in an audience.

He was actually chosen for this film because if they needed to cast an Australian in order to get Australia's heavy production subsidies.

Hollywood gave up on Hemsworth as bankable after Blackhat made only $19 million worldwide. He was only bankable as Thor or in Thor-ish films (why MIB cast Tessa with him.)

A significant hindrance for Hemsworth is that there are no "Matthew McConaughey leaning on a woman" films made anymore - midbudget romantic comedies starring actors in their 30s and early 40s. He would have easily taken the spot vacated by new Oscar winner McConaughey if they still made those films.

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by Anonymousreply 127June 10, 2024 8:42 PM

R125: Unless you closely follow Hollywood, the average person isn't aware of the current "stars" that are foisted on the public. Even with social media, these stars are quickly forgettable.

As for Hit Man, don't believe the hype. Powell is OK in it. It's way too long and really not that fun.

Yeah Twisters will be make or break for him. His in-development projects may not be there at the end of the summer if Twisters disappoints.

by Anonymousreply 128June 10, 2024 10:19 PM

R126 has the LATIMES ever heard of The Color Purple, In the Heights, The Equalizer 3, American Fiction, West Side Story (2021) or King Richard and Emancipation both starring Will Smith?

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by Anonymousreply 129June 10, 2024 11:38 PM

R129 Exactly. These knee-jerk analyses for clicks have the context of a fruit fly. The “Bad Boys” audience is the same as the “Fast and Furious” audience. Which will be gone next week, just like that dead franchise.

Relying primarily on minority audiences for box-office success is a fool’s errand. Why? Because there aren’t enough of them to sustain a leggy blockbuster.

by Anonymousreply 130June 11, 2024 12:50 AM

[quote]A significant hindrance for Hemsworth is that there are no "Matthew McConaughey leaning on a woman" films made anymore - midbudget romantic comedies starring actors in their 30s and early 40s.

You LITERALLY just described "Anyone But You," the Sydney filmed-and-set romcom starring 35-year-old Glen Powell who falls for Sydney Sweeney's knockers.

by Anonymousreply 131June 11, 2024 12:57 AM

[quote]As for Hit Man, don't believe the hype. Powell is OK in it. It's way too long and really not that fun.

It's under two hours and easily one of the best movies released this year. Linklater & Powell are likely shoo-ins for a Best Original Screenplay Oscar, as was also the case for the "Before..." films with Ethan Hawke & Julie Delpy. Sorry you're a grumpy old dude or something.

by Anonymousreply 132June 11, 2024 12:59 AM

It would have to be an extremely weak year for this to get an Oscar nomination. The fact that Netflix held it for Summer (this premiered last year at Telluride) shows that it’s not a contender..

by Anonymousreply 133June 11, 2024 1:06 AM

Glen Powell is R132.

by Anonymousreply 134June 11, 2024 1:08 AM

[Quote] As for Hit Man, don't believe the hype. Powell is OK in it. It's way too long and really not that fun.

Variety Owen Gleiberman

Hit Man is studded with delicious moments, but as amusing as the movie is it has a plot that sprawls forward in a rather ungainly fashion, and it goes on for too long.

by Anonymousreply 135June 11, 2024 1:08 AM

R135, it's at 97% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes. Give up the ghost, dear.

by Anonymousreply 136June 11, 2024 1:10 AM

The oddness about Anyone But You is how old Powell is versus the kind of film this is made for. This is a movie for teens and young twenty somethings while the McConaughey movies veered toward audiences in their thirties. Sweeney should have been paired with someone her own age except there really are very few male stars her aged who have achieved prominence.

by Anonymousreply 137June 11, 2024 1:11 AM

Truly fascinating thread with detailed analyses as to why "Ride or Die" was CERTAIN to bomb. Its IP is nearly 30 years old. Gen Z doesn't want to see geezers running around. Nobody's making movies with comedic cops nowadays. Will is CANCELLED because of The Slap.

WRONG, BITCHES!!! But I'll explain where you honky asses fucked up.

First, you know how y'all flock to anything & everything with either gay actors and/or gay characters? Yeah, Black people do the exact same thing: see case in point, Tyler Perry's literal entire career. Hollywood tracking ALWAYS fucks this shit up, but Black and Hispanic audiences show up IN FUCKING DROVES for movies that give them actual onscreen *representation*. (Surely you don't think "Fast & Furious" became a colossus because of Vin Diesel's acting ability.) Don't worry if you missed it: Hollywood analysts always get this shit wrong, too, or at least white ones do.

Anyway, I've seen the stats: 44% of its opening weekend traffic was Black and 26% Hispanic, and unsurprisingly performed best in L.A., NYC, Houston & Atlanta. And while WHITE Hollywood might've wanted to cancel Will, BLACK Hollywood is another story. (Also, did y'all forget that it was a mostly Black jury that found O.J. not guilty? And you thought they'd cancel Will Smith because a comedian insulted his wife on live television?!?)

Yes, I know our resident racists are already retconning all of this to be some sort of "Black thing" – blissfully unaware that this is very similar to how QAnon constantly pumps out propaganda – since "only" 18% of the viewers who blew the movie WAY the fuck past all of its tracking were white. Tedious & predictable, as always. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 138June 11, 2024 1:17 AM

R137 Imagine her opposite Chalamet... It'd be comical.

by Anonymousreply 139June 11, 2024 1:19 AM

R132 = Richard Linklater, aka, Cinematic Sominex.

by Anonymousreply 140June 11, 2024 1:21 AM

[quote] WRONG, BITCHES!!! But I'll explain where you honky asses fucked up.

R138 = Time-traveling Jimmie Walker.

by Anonymousreply 141June 11, 2024 1:23 AM

Will Smith was once of the biggest crossover stars on the planet and the people he appealed to don't give two fucks about an Oscar slap. Most of them blame Jada anyway. If Will sticks to "fun" action/comedy movies his career will be in good place again.

by Anonymousreply 142June 11, 2024 1:44 AM

HOLLYWOOD REPORTER: Why alienating white audiences is a solid financial decision for the film industry!

by Anonymousreply 143June 11, 2024 1:50 AM

R120 You're clearly on the losing team.

by Anonymousreply 144June 11, 2024 2:06 AM

Didn’t it make like 100 worldwide. That’s dam good in today’s market. I guess Papa Smith still got it.

by Anonymousreply 145June 11, 2024 2:13 AM

sorry R136 but it has a 7.1 rating on IMDB User Reviews Sounds like a forgettable time killer to me.

6/10 Don't believe the hype

6/10 Hit man Misses the Target

6/10 so close ruined by consistent illogic

6/10 Just didn't do it for me. Next

by Anonymousreply 146June 11, 2024 3:28 AM

sorry [R132] Hit Man has a 7.1 rating on IMDB User Reviews Sounds like a forgettable time killer to me. Bland white bread Glenn Powell is being overly hyped.

6/10 Don't believe the hype

6/10 Hit Man Misses the Target

6/10 so close ruined by consistent illogic

6/10 Just didn't do it for me. Next

by Anonymousreply 147June 11, 2024 3:41 AM

R130 I don’t know how much “Bad Boys” needs white people because based off of “The Fall Guy” and “Furiosa”, white people clearly aren’t going to the movies.

by Anonymousreply 148June 11, 2024 3:45 AM

R143 Oh please.

Whites are not monolithic. Especially white people in major cities.

I bet you don’t think white people consume rap.

by Anonymousreply 149June 11, 2024 3:58 AM

R136 Just about everything is 97% on Rotten Tomatoes today.

Rotten Tomatoes is unreliable at this point.

A lot of people are going to YouTube for movie reviews now. Double Toasted, Angry Joe, Chris Stuckmann, Jeremy Jahns, Critical Drinker, and Nerdrotic have way bigger platforms than any critic from Rotten Tomatoes. And most of those names all anti-Rotten Tomatoes.

I remember when Rotten Tomatoes first started, an excellent movie would be in the 80-85%. It used to be hard for movies to get in the 80s. Now it’s easy to get a 90%+.

by Anonymousreply 150June 11, 2024 4:09 AM

R128 There’s 2 problems with Hollywood today.

The first problem is the stars of today are social media influencers.

And the second problem is todays actors think social media is beneath them.

Glen Powell has 1.6 million followers on Instagram. That’s 100k more than Jake Andrich who literally just posts sexy pin-up photos of himself for OnlyFans. Jake has 2 million on Twitter while Glen has 115k.

So an independent softcore porn star has a bigger social media presence than a Hollywood actor who’s starring in the next $200 million dollar movie this summer and has being pushed constantly by the press for the last year.

The music industry has definitely started to take notes on social media influencing. A lot of music artists are way more popular than Hollywood actors because rappers and singers are constantly on social media doing lives and IG stories whereas Hollywood actors want to be more professional and elusive, which clearly isn’t working.

by Anonymousreply 151June 11, 2024 4:26 AM

Is Bad Boys 4 going to continue making money? Not sure if minorities care after opening weekend?

by Anonymousreply 152June 11, 2024 4:26 AM

Well it made $105 million globally so I feel like this “black Americans all went the first week” seeing as it made its budget back globally in the first 3 days.

by Anonymousreply 153June 11, 2024 4:31 AM

Looks like it met expectations and then some.

by Anonymousreply 154June 11, 2024 4:43 AM

including a Thursday night preview BBs domestic gross is $56.5M in 3 days. Furiosa's domestic gross is $58.6M in 17 days of release.

by Anonymousreply 155June 11, 2024 4:51 AM

I just saw it and in the words of those queens on In Living Color: Hated It!

Just kidding. It’s phony as a mafucker and well the script is a bit rough but it’s an entertaining popcorn flick. There is just something about the chemistry between Martin Lawrence and Will Smith that makes up for the film’s numerous flaws.

by Anonymousreply 156June 11, 2024 5:07 AM

Do they make love?💕

by Anonymousreply 157June 11, 2024 5:14 AM

Sidenote: Why doesn’t nobody remember that Martin Lawrence’s character had sons in the first film?

by Anonymousreply 158June 11, 2024 5:16 AM

[quote] Gen Z doesn't want to see geezers running around

Why does everything revolve around their wants and needs?

When I was their age, things were geared towards everyone’s taste so people could find something that appealed to them. Adults/advertisers didn’t ask my opinion, kiss my ass and cowtow to me. Instead of bending over backwards and having to adapt to their world, how about making them adapt? Adults need to stop pandering and make them grow up.

I certainly watched movies, read books, listened to music all before my time. I didn’t cringe at older people and their likes—they were just older people.

by Anonymousreply 159June 11, 2024 9:37 PM

Monday 6/10 total domestic gross BB $63M; Mad Max $59M💣💣

by Anonymousreply 160June 12, 2024 3:38 AM

BB is holding steady into the week

by Anonymousreply 161June 12, 2024 3:39 AM

Anataylorjoy is a horrible actress, no wonder no one is going to MM

by Anonymousreply 162June 12, 2024 3:40 AM

BB4 revenue immediately dropped by 60% on Monday.

by Anonymousreply 163June 12, 2024 5:45 AM

^^^As movies do after the weekend. Not 2 worry.

by Anonymousreply 164June 12, 2024 6:09 AM

[quote]And the second problem is todays actors think social media is beneath them.

Except Glen Powell doesn’t. He posts regularly on social media and even has an account for his dog. He often posts pictures with his shirt off.

Austin Butler, who actually does think social media is beneath him, has over two million more followers than Glen.

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by Anonymousreply 165June 12, 2024 10:20 AM

Austin Butler is so fkin fine in that new trailer with Tom Hardy. I want him and will have him.

by Anonymousreply 166June 12, 2024 10:22 AM

R139: It would never work. Mouseboy doesn’t like white girls.

by Anonymousreply 167June 12, 2024 1:42 PM

BBROD made $7,2M on Tuesday bringing it's 5 day total to $70M

by Anonymousreply 168June 13, 2024 4:46 AM

[quote] BBROD made $7,2M on Tuesday bringing it's 5 day total to $70M


by Anonymousreply 169June 14, 2024 12:50 AM

It could make a billion and Will Smith would still be a shit person.

by Anonymousreply 170June 14, 2024 1:26 PM

June 14l $87M domestic BO to date. Will make back it's production cost by the end of the weekend in the US alone

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by Anonymousreply 171June 16, 2024 8:58 AM

its^ The film's budget is speculated to be around $90 million, similar to the previous installment, Bad Boys For Life.

by Anonymousreply 172June 16, 2024 9:02 AM


by Anonymousreply 173June 16, 2024 9:13 AM

Bad Boys: Ride or Die must earn at least $200 million to succeed, following the franchise's success with previous films.

It's a success after 2 weeks in release

Theatrical Performance

Domestic Box Office $112,240,000

International Box Office $102,400,000

Worldwide Box Office $214,640,000

by Anonymousreply 174June 16, 2024 8:07 PM

R174 A total slap in the face to anyone who hates Will Smith.

by Anonymousreply 175June 17, 2024 4:01 AM

Clearly people still like him r175. They’re going to see the movie. It’s a HIT.

by Anonymousreply 176June 17, 2024 8:16 AM

R170 a very rich shit person. And he’s nowhere near as bad as many others yet we keep villainizing him over a stupid slap 👋🏻

by Anonymousreply 177June 17, 2024 8:18 AM

R163 ummmm movies always plummet on weekdays…

by Anonymousreply 178June 17, 2024 8:19 AM
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