So I just watched Dune 2...

I still haven't seen it because I find the millenial actors all ugly.

I hope you didn't have to pay extra for it OP.

To be fair, the first Dune was just as god awful. Who ever said "Let's remake this pile of shit." should have their dick cut off.

Yes it is quote turgid. There are several things wrong with it, I cited Chalamet’s performance as a fundamental weakness.

But mostly I think it’s due to Denis Villeneuve’s visual style and the kind of films he makes. He makes very autistic science fiction films. This worked wonderfully for Arrival, it worked wonderfully for Blade Runner 2049, but it does not work for Dune.

Dune needed to feel

A) alien

B) fun

Where is the fun? There’s a great AI fake trailer for Dune as a 1950s epic. This is the movie I want to see.

[quote] He makes very autistic science fiction films.

As an autistic person, what are the characteristics of an autistic science fiction film?

R5 I would define it as being propelled by a profound sense of isolation

Ad Astra would be another good example

Or Gattaca

Chalamet and Zendaya were zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz but Austin Butler was fun......

Lynch’s Dune is not a good movie but it does feel alien bc and it does try to have fun

Timmy is too scrawny with bad posture to be believable as a warrior. Plus he mumbles a lot.

Of course you hated it, OP. It's DL, where not film is liked except " Brokeback Mountain." It's also your chance to summon the Chalamet haters, guaranteeing responses for your thread.

R1, you mean Zoomers?

Who's skinnier, Timothee or Zendaya? A tie?

We don't start sentences with "So."

Those two better not ever have sex, they'd break each others skinny bones.

So….

It was beautiful, but so so boring. There was very little tension in the film. Big moments like Paul riding the worm and the battle with the Emperor's troops were just ho-hum. I also don't recall them ever explaining why the spice was so important.

The spice is life.

Dune was never meant to be made into a film. Anyone who tries will fail miserably.

I suppose someone could try anime, but honestly, Dune is a book that was written to play in your head.

R18 one of the most confounding failures of Villeneuve’s Dune is that it never demonstrates why the spice is needed

The spice is needed because it is used to mutate the Navigators to achieve precognition. That is the only way they can navigate through space. This is never shown! It’s like they were embarrassed y the source material.

But, does this version have this iconic line?

No, R22.

[quote] To be fair, the first Dune was just as god awful. Who ever said "Let's remake this pile of shit." should have their dick cut off.

It was an extremely respected series of novels long before the first movie.

They never birthed Paul’s sister in this version. She speaks from the womb.

This was NEVER shown! That’s the point of the whole movie! They never fired Chekhov’s gun!

Chekhov never shot his load!

[quote]but Austin Butler was fun......

He was definitely entertainingly creepy - and he leered at Paul like he'd rather hate fuck him than kill him. But overall, the whole thing was just....yawn. I like Rebeca Ferguson - she gives Charlotte Rampling a run for her money in the cold bitch department and I actually liked the plucky Zendaya, but Paul was just...meh. Maybe it's because I'm not a big fan of Timmy (I thought he was the weak link in Little Women, too), but he just didn't have the charisma - or the whatever - to make you believe these hardcore people would follow him. Just too wispy maybe...

Agreed, OP.

Ponderous, ugly where it needs to be grand, and presenting a soil grub as a mythic figure.

I prefer my garbage honest.

Spice up your life!

You're supposed to have seen it in IMAX, OP. It's not made to be viewed on a 65 inch screen while you fuck around on your phone. It's pure spectacle, like the Avatar movies. I saw it in IMAX and while I have problems with the length, Timmy's acting choices and the story in general, it looked cool as hell.

[Quote] The spice is needed because it is used to mutate the Navigators to achieve precognition.

But there are no navigators shown in the movie. It seems there was a conscious decision to excise most of the sci fi elements from this sci fi story.

I guess that’s because Villeneuve decided it would trivialize the heavy portentous drama of the story. I was amazed that the weirding way was also omitted, as it was essential to the fremen ability to defeat the emperors forces in battle.

I actually quite like the movies, although I wish they included the navigators, weirding way and other sci fi. They’re not for people who need instant gratification however, and in our digital age, that means many of us. The pace is very slow.

[quote] As an autistic person, what are the characteristics of an autistic science fiction film?

Think M Night Shyamalan films.

[quote]It's pure spectacle, like the Avatar movies. I saw it in IMAX and while I have problems with the length, Timmy's acting choices and the story in general, it looked cool as hell.

True, but it should enhance the movie, rather than hold up the movie. I'm sure the scene in Lawrence of Arabia when they arrive to cheers at Aqaba is amazing, particularly with the film score blasting, but it's also impressive on a typical HDTV.

Movies are entertaining for different reasons. Dune 2 leans very heavily on visuals so it is best enjoyed in a theater. OP didn't experience Dune 2 in a theater so he didn't get the best experience possible. He's entitled to his opinion but I think the venue should be taken into consideration when we assess his opinion. Imagine if I hated Lawrence of Arabia after watching it on a grimy 10 inch screen during a daytime flight.

Wow the actress from 50s at R4 was actually beautiful.

Except for a few spots, Dune 2 was incredibly boring. It was like a series of vignettes that barely told a cohesive story. Big moments, like riding the worm and defeating the emperor's troops was given a perfunctory treatment.

Won't watch a film I can't see.

The book is shit too.

I saw it on Imax at Waterloo, London (one of the biggest screens in the world), at the back which is the best viewing position for a screen that huge. I was totally blown away by it. But then I'm autistic so maybe it was designed to appeal to my senses. I can't imagine it would be any good on TV.

It doesn’t do anything visually or thematically that Lawrence of Arabia didn’t do already. A big screen isn’t going to save this turd.

I fast-forwarded to the Feyd--Paul fight because I dislike Science Fiction but like Austin.

Even my fandom couldn't save this segment for me. Bleagh! Boring as all get-out! Ugly coloration. Dull script. Little characterization, Austin's standard "I tried to understand the character and decided he was the hero of his story" PR blather notwithstanding.

Plus, Austin's choice of voice here was AWFUL. I guess that was good, because he hardly had any dialogue (same with "The Bikeriders," but I digress)!

But the most ridiculous aspect---and successful fiction must have internal logic---is that Feyd-Rautha is shown as a virtual killing machine, cold-eyed and cold-blooded (his entire head, from bald pate to black teeth, is meant to evoke the Black Mamba snake), yet is vanquished and quite quickly by the smaller and slighter Paul Atreides, of whom (I don't think; correct me if I'm wrong) we see no similar knife-fighting history.

Yeah, no.

R42, may thy knife chip and shatter.

The Dune films are The Emperor’s New Clothes of cinema.

"May thy knife chip and shatter"! It's dialogue you can hear being uttered by Niles Crane!

[quote] Dune needed to feel A) alien B) fun

I don't think the film 'bros' who wet themselves over these kinds of "films" (as if it's THE standard of cinema) want that. They want all their ridiculous shit to be 'prestige' film that's respected. Fun for the sake of fun is not their thing.

All this hate for Tim is having an effect on him.

It’s not awful. It’s a very solid film.

The only complaint I had about it is the fear the moviemakers had of the sci fi elements of the story. I guess they thought it would make it seem silly?

So no navigators, no weirding way. Oh well. Still liked it.

No navigators, no explanation for why spice even matters.

OP is the “mouseboy” poster.