Hillary Clinton Has Some Tough Words for Democrats and women

You heard her, ladies and gentlemen.

Hillary has not been wrong about anything yet, regarding Trump and the right wing.

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[quote]"We didn’t take it seriously, and we didn’t understand the threat," Clinton said. "Most Democrats, most Americans, did not realize we are in an existential struggle for the future of this country."

This will be us next because the MAGA & Evangelicals & other christians have repeatedly announced they are coming for us - just like they did with abortion. Too many gays are being complacent and saying oh they can't do anything - our rights are solid and gay marriage is codified so don't worry about it.

100% untrue and we're going to find out the hard way and then look surprised.

Why won't she just go away

Sorry Putin at R4.

She'll never go away.

But by all means, YOU can go away, you fucking troll.

She was in that government, first Obama's, that had enough hands in Congress and Senate to pass the bill.

It was one of liar Obama's main promisses before election, but somehow they were too busy with military actions in Iraq and Syria.

[quote]"The right is relentless. You know, they take a loss, they get back up, they regroup, they raise more money," Clinton said. "It’s tremendously impressive the way that they operate. And we have nothing like it on our side."

She is spot on about this.

I like her — and I consistently agree with her — but she really does need to go to the fuck away.

Sure Jan/R8.

Nice trolling from Moscow.

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That's what Google Translate spit out for "get a grip".

Hillary Clinton has literally been right about everything in the past 10 years, and yet nobody has been listening to her.

She’s usually right about most things, but her delivery is terrible. She comes off as alarmist and shrill and doesn’t know how to connect with people, even if her message is correct. She should have never been the nominee in 2016. She’s someone who should be writing policy behind the scenes, not out campaigning where she repels voters.

R13. She had more votes.

[quote] She’s usually right about most things, but her delivery is terrible. She comes off as alarmist and shrill and doesn’t know how to connect with people

Gotta love the Republican talking points.

They've been doing this to her since the 1990's.

Fucking "vast, right-wing conspiracy" that she was absolutely right about.

I miss her so fucking much.

...and the Democrats NEVER "had her back".

Wasn't she always going on before 2016 that Republicans wanted to overturn Roe though and would if Trump won? In other words, she and other Democrats used the threat of it happening as a fundraising tool and to increase their turnout. Codifying it into law would have removed that campaigning tool.

Be mindful that this is the kind of thread that Russian and Chinese bots love to spam with propaganda.

They'll try to tear Hillary down and discredit her, just like they did in 2016.

Ignore their bullshit and focus on her message.

Because she knows these rotten cunts better than anyone else. She even called out that Russian operative Tulsi Gabbard, and was trashed for it. But even that turned out to be true.

Hillary was right about the Russians and the Chinese and the American right-wing traitors, EVERy SINGLE TIME.

Pay attention when she says something.

R19 Do you mean that Russians and Chinese prevented the administration in which she was No.2 , that had majority in Congress and Senate from codifying this right into law?

I love her.

Of course she’s right.

R20, what on earth are you talking about? Clinton was Secretary of State, not VP. Her role did not deal with domestic policy. And the majorities did not matter because Republicans were using the filibuster to stop any action.

Why is it so hard for people to blame Republicans for what they organized to do for almost 50 years?

R22 Hillary herself blames Democrats.

[quote] Hillary Clinton's Ghostwriter Has Some Tough Words for Democrats and women

I notice 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 aren't worth capitalizing.

[quote] She lamented that Democrats lacked the organization and funding for institutions like The Federalist Society to counter the right’s influence.

Democrats routinely outspend the republicans by a wide margin, at last since Obama threw the McCain-Feingold spending limits into the trash. Most of it form Dark Money PACs and similar sources.

[quote] Clinton argued that Democrats failed to pass legislation codifying abortion rights into federal law — even when they controlled the Senate — because they could not fathom that abortion rights would ever be at risk.

Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote that Roe was was based on faulty reasoning pulling a new Constitutional right out of thin air that left it open to attack. And you didn't have to be a Supreme Court justice to see that.

More from Hillary explaing why "women" isn't capitalized.

Hillary Clinton blamed her 2016 election loss on women voters abandoning her for not being 'perfect' and warned the 2024 election may be America's last if Donald Trump wins.

Clinton lost the 2016 contest to Trump and has given multiple interviews since laying responsibility for her defeat on various people, organizations, bodies and concepts.

This weekend, an interview she gave for a new book, The Fall of Roe: The Rise of a New America, reveals that she's added female voters to that long list.

She says in the book that women were the ones who refused to push her over the line because she wasn't 'perfect' after then-FBI Director James Comey re-opened an investigation into her days before the election.

'Once he did that to me, the people, the voters who left me, were women,' she said.

'They left me because they just couldn't take a risk on me, because as a woman, I'm supposed to be perfect,' Clinton continued.

R24 Agreed. Seems like big money, particularly Wall street, biv tech, military-industrial complex is betting on Democrats lately.

Plus Democrats have been closer to propaganda machine at leasf from 60s, mainstream media, Hollywood, academia have been in Democrats' service.

[quote] "We didn’t take it seriously, and we didn’t understand the threat," Clinton said. "Most Democrats, most Americans, did not realize we are in an existential struggle for the future of this country."

Republicans explicitly state that there is an existential struggle. I think both Democrats and Republicans already see the struggle.

She is correct that the right-wing is relentless because they lack shame and empathy. Unfortunately, there will never be a time when we won't need to actively fight these people.

They will NOT let things be - always calculating, stealing, lying, abusing their power.

It's a party for sociopaths. I truly believe that.

[quote] They'll try to tear Hillary down and discredit her

To discredit her, you only need to quote her. No additional commentary is needed.

She's such a hateful old narcissist. I'll never understand the fawning adulation she gets here

And I'll never understand why R30's mother didn't use that coat hanger when she had the fucking chance.

Now look what humanity is stuck with.

Add r26 to that, r31.

[quote] Hillary Clinton ... warned the 2024 election may be America's last if Donald Trump wins.

I have been saying this for over a year, but keep getting shut down by naysayers who keep saying "it can never happen."

You people never learn your lesson.

Just like in 2016 when there was "no way Hillary can lose against pussy grabbing, misogynist, racist, criminal Donald Trump."

Tell me again how Hillary couldn't lose?

And now they're absolutely sure that there's "no way Donald Trump will get elected in 2024," or there's "no way he can declare himself President for life."

You people really don't see the big picture. Hillary is TELLING you, this is how it's going to be. I've been seeing this ever since the January 6 insurrection. But some of you still don't believe it.

But you will, starting in 2025.

And the scary thing is that I don't know if there's any way to stop it, given the current mood of the country.

I was so hoping she'd at least be in hospice by now.

Sorry Vlad/R34, but you're the one who's dying. Not Hillary.

R1 Except Russiagate.

[quote] Clinton argued that Democrats failed to pass legislation codifying abortion rights into federal law — even when they controlled the Senate — because they could not fathom that abortion rights would ever be at risk.

Really?

The DNC is a corporation that doesn't care about the party, or it would have primaried multiple young candidates this year, for a robust field four and eight years from now. We would have had debates for and with Biden. But now they don't even campaign in lots of states. We have no up and comers. I don't count Kamala, she's a cop. And of course Pete picked a terrible time to have babies, blah blah.

In 2008, Hillary should have been the Democratic Nominee to be US President.

I wholeheartedly abandoned Hillary, who I deeply respect, and know would be a superb POTUS, for the new cute boy in class, Barack Obama.

I respect Obama and voted for him twice.

He was held back, and held himself back, from, while he was President, exercising the ferocity it takes to take on the Repugs.

He was too cool for school.

More significantly, though, him being the first Black President made him, in some moments, tentative when the moment called for aggressiveness. He knew, however, that Black men don't get by with what White men get by with and he held himself back.

And before anybody is offended by what I just wrote, I'm a POC myself. I know what I mean by that and so do other members of minority groups.

In retrospect, and it's all water under the bridge, but Hillary should have been the nominee in 2008.

"should have been"

The story of Hillbags life.

[quote] Clinton argued that Democrats failed to pass legislation codifying abortion rights into federal law — even when they controlled the Senate — because they could not fathom that abortion rights would ever be at risk.

IMO, this was not the reasoning.

Abortion will always be a controversial topic for VOTERS - even those who normally would vote for a Democrat. IMO, a lot of the legislators just didn't have the balls to vote yes on a bill that would codify abortion rights. The legislators did not want to lose any votes over this topic.

But, yes, she's right in that the opportunity was there to get it codified -- when the Dems were in the majority.

Hillary’s time was in 2008. She should have been the Democratic nominee back then. But she failed to beat inexperienced, but charismatic, Obama. And that’s her fault.

[quote]Hillary Clinton ... warned the 2024 election may be America's last if Donald Trump wins.

Nancy Pelosi said this a long time ago. She said America would not survive another term of Trump. Hillary is just co-opting it as her own.

[quote] But she failed to beat inexperienced, but charismatic, Obama. And that’s her fault.

Not entirely. The DNC stacked the desk for Obama in several ways but most blatantly robbing Hillary of delegates she won in both Michigan and Florida. The PUMAs ({Party Unity My Ass) were a response to this cheating.

In the "if we could turn back time" department:

The Democratic powers that be should have learned their lesson in 2008 that Hillary is a brilliant woman but a lousy campaigner. They should have discouraged her from running again in 2016.

If Hillary hadn't run in 2016, Biden probably could have been convinced to run. Biden, who didn't seem so tired and feeble then, would have beaten Trump, and he would have been able to appoint liberal Supreme Court justices.

Trump undoubtedly would have tried again in 2020. But Biden would have gotten high marks for his handling of the COVID crisis and would have won re-election in 2020.

If that had happened, Trump never would have risen to power and would be seen today as a loser. As a result, the GOP would be pivoting toward more establishment candidates in their bid to regain power. The Republicans today would still be evil but a little less unhinged and batshit crazy. Biden's VP (he probably wouldn't have chosen Kamala Harris in 2016) would now be vying for the nomination among a field of Democratic contenders.

If we could turn back time, maybe when Hillary was First Lady, or Senator, she could have pushed for codifying abortion? Instead of naming post offices?

I'm starting to wonder if these threads (like the one discussing Romney vs. Obama) are trolling intended to instill doubt in the minds of Democratically leaning DL voters....

She was the first person - that I remember - to talk about health care being available to all in the US.

Remember when was desperately losing to Obama and she tried crying in New Hampshire back in 2008 in an effort to seem more relatable to women? That was a fail too.

[quote]She was the first person - that I remember - to talk about health care being available to all in the US.

It was her husband who campaigned on that issue in 1992. And then he won and put Hillary in charge of it. And she failed.

It's obvious trolling, r47. We went through this in 2016, 2020 and 2022.

Keep trolling, r50.

[quote] She was the first person - that I remember - to talk about health care being available to all in the US.

Try Richard Nixon trying to get his universal health plan past Ted Kennedy. Ted blocked it to ensure Nixon won no victories while Watergate had the focus. Jimmy Carter tried to resurrect a slightly different version of the plan which Ted again blocked, just out of spite toward Carter.

Just before his death Ted apologized for his action against Nixon. Carter got no apologies.

I didn't realize this about Kennedy. What a bastard, ruined so many lives through those two actions.

Kennedy also had final blow to healthcare. His death, and the Republican who won his seat, resulted in the Democrats losing a supermajority. Among many other casualties were the ACA’s public option and (due to a typo that Republicans refused to fix) the requirement for Americans to carry health insurance.

That's right! Great point! After his death The Dems ran one of the worst candidates of all time, Martha Coakley, who lost to Scott Brown. (Although that piece of shit Joseph Lieberman also deserves much of the blame for the loss of a public option)

R13 = Bernie Sanders

I think she should have been president instead of her husband.

[quote] losing a supermajority

Times sure have changed. Democrats back then had almost 60 seats in the Senate. Now we're barely able to squeak out 50 or 51. And wasn't that supermajority also dependent on the Al Franken/Norm 'chicklet teeth' Coleman Senate race recount. Seems like that went on for a month or more.

The woman who gave us Trump.

R60, Dump’s witch of a mother gave us Dump. There are a zillion reasons he squeaked by in 2016, just give it up.

She thought she was being so clever encouraging him to run, lol

[quote] Hillary Clinton ... warned the 2024 election may be America's last if Donald Trump wins.

[quote] Nancy Pelosi said this a long time ago. She said America would not survive another term of Trump. Hillary is just co-opting it as her own.

If these two people who have been in the center of US politics since the 1980's are saying this, then why is no one listening?

Trump MUST be stopped!

Democrats should be pulling out all the stops to declare this man a threat, and get Biden's numbers up!!

The best way to get Biden's numbers up would be to have him stroke out and be replaced on the ticket.

[quote]If these two people who have been in the center of US politics since the 1980's

Hillary was an unknown until 1991 when her husband started gaining national prominence as a Democratic contender for the 1992 election.

[quote] Hillary was an unknown until 1991

Hillary has been prominent in US politics since her college years, and immediately after:

[quote] Rodham was recruited by political advisor Anne Wexler to work on the 1970 campaign of Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Joseph Duffey. Rodham later crediting Wexler with providing her first job in politics.

[quote] Rodham and Clinton campaigned in Texas for unsuccessful 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern. She received a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973

[quote] In 1974, she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., and advised the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. The committee's work culminated with the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.

[quote] In February 1977, Rodham joined the venerable Rose Law Firm, a bastion of Arkansan political and economic influence.

[quote] In 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had been the 1976 campaign director of field operations in Indiana)[86] appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.[87] She held that position from 1978 until the end of 1981.

[quote] From 1982 to 1988, Clinton was on the board of directors, sometimes as chair, of the New World Foundation, which funded a variety of New Left interest groups. Clinton was chairman of the board of the Children's Defense Fund and on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital's Legal Services (1988–92)

[quote] In addition to her positions with nonprofit organizations, she also held positions on the corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985–92), Wal-Mart Stores (1986–92) and Lafarge (1990–92). TCBY and Wal-Mart were Arkansas-based companies that were also clients of Rose Law.

Make no mistake. Hillary was nationally well known in political circles, ever since graduating from college.

Yeah, she doesn't have The Touch, whatever it is that really just works in politics. But of course, she is generally right about things. She has her flaws, of course, but she is a smart and interesting person who has been at the center of national politics for decades.

I absolutely do not understand the clowns and dingbats who think she needs to just "go away." Why? Why, dingbats, why do you need somebody who clearly has a lot to say and a whole lot of experience to "go away"? What exactly is your fucked up nonsense bullshit mentality that you can't even stand to hear from somebody who clearly has opinions worth hearing? Is it just neurosis, or something more interesting?

[quote] The best way to get Biden's numbers up would be to have him stroke out and be replaced on the ticket.

If they have to wheel him in on a gurney, you should still vote for him over that cunt of a shitweasel Donald J. Trump.

Like cicadas, the hissing Hillbottoms have emerged.

Damn, she still frightens you r69. Why? She's just a woman with a few opinions. Why is that such a trauma to you?

I'm disappointed that when she was on stage during the debate with Trump and he was walking around behind her that she didn't turn around and say "Stop stalking me!"

MAGATS would have called her "shrill," R71.

That's their standard go-to line.

I wish during the debates she had turned to Trump and said: "cool it Donald or I'm going to show you the park like I did to Vince Foster". That would have settled his hash.

She's right. As she has been.

But just as she's been rather consistently right, she's similarly been a consistent scold to those who failed to support and/or believe her. She has a talent for saying the right thing the wrong, scoldy way,. Her message is: if I didn't scare the shit out of you last time, there's miserably little hope for you this time.

Once again, she's right. And once again she will sway almost no one who doesn't already support her.

[quote] Hillary was nationally well known in political circles, ever since graduating from college.

She would have done better for the country to stay home and bake cookies

Won't this dumb bitch ever go away?

She wanted Trumpy to run against & had her winged monkeys build him up on so many levels.

She normalized him by referring to him as "My friend Donald" numerous times while he slandered her & made "Lock her up" a winning catch phrase.

Her slamming Bill's female accusers instead of divorcing him after they left the WH did her in as it made her into a big hypocrite when Trumpy's AH tape surfaced & no woman I knew cared about it after what Bill got away with ("bimbo eruptions", etc.). I saw so many Trump signs here in Ohio that I knew he'd carry the state in 2016 & he even turned it deep red now thanks to her "great political mind".

R12 She told everyone she had the '16 election in the bag against Donald . She wasn't right about that.

R14 Votes have never determined the WH . It's the Electoral College.

One should never provoke the gods

^ LOL. I forgot about that one.

Talk about "the ego has landed".

She wished herself a Happy Birthday with the words "Future President" in the title.

Has anyone in the media shown her that post since she lost?

[quote] Has anyone in the media shown her that post since she lost?

As if they'd dare

If Hill & Bill aren't raising cash for the dems then they need to shut their pie holes & slither away.

Hillary and Bill self-sabotaged a lot. The emails saga could have been handled a lot better. And Bill's tarmac meeting with Loretta Lynch ended up likely costing Hillary the White House. They're both ambitious, intelligent people who were also capable of shooting themselves in the foot.

And even if Hillary scrapped home in 2016 the House and Senate still went to the GOP who were already planning to impeach her over Benghazi. It would have gotten very nasty.

Hilary also could not stop herself from insulting large portions of the populace she wished to govern. She’s done herself no favors. We elect presidents, we do not appoint (or anoint) them, no matter how fervently she believed it was “her turn.”

In the past Democrats have been overly impressed with likability and charisma, Maybe we all need to focus on actions and policy instead, The Republicans run ugly and abrasive candidates, they do fine, Also Republicans vote in every election. Too many Dems vote only when they feel like it,

What r84 wrote a million times over.

Right after Clinton defeated George HW Bush, some seasoned, long-time, ground-game Democratic operatives who are, by now, probably dead, tried to sound the alarm bell on what the Repugs were up-to after Clinton won.

They said that their opposition research showed that the Repugs were going to almost concede the national elections, the only ones that Dems seemed to get off their asses and vote in, and concentrate on local and state races, the goal being state power to Republicans.

Then they'll have the power to gerrymander state voting districts which effect national offices.

I distinctly recall that one was quoted as saying that that one of their long-game goals was that Republicans wanted to take-over the US Supreme Court.

Well, they succeeded.

Over the decades, they did the unglamorous, not-sexy, drudgery of concentrating on local offices and state offices while us Dems were starry-eyed over our national candidates.

How'd that work-out for us?

And I learned all of that in a NY Times article that was published in 1992, right after Clinton defeated Bush.

Suggestion.

Could we maybe stop the Vlad accusation type nonsense?

Argue, full throttle, full throat. Take it to the mat. A fierce as you can.

But the paranoia totally undercuts your credibility and makes what should be a really interesting thread really dull. Anyway, Vlad is probably 黄 吴 in any event.

People who idolize politicians are very pathetic.

[quote] Could we maybe stop the Vlad accusation type nonsense?

Not a chance. The simpletons think they are being cute.

From the other current Hillary thread:

"Republicans like Opie and other Hillary haters despise her because she's smarter than them, has more balls than them and is unruffled by their manufactured bullshit.

It drives them completely bonkers, which isn't a very long drive to begin with."

[quote] In the past Democrats have been overly impressed with likability and charisma

That obviously wasn’t true in 2016.

[quote]Clinton argued that Democrats failed to pass legislation codifying abortion rights into federal law — even when they controlled the Senate — because they could not fathom that abortion rights would ever be at risk.

Let's be real -- they just didn't care enough. Now women are demoralized, they lost reproductive rights on Biden's watch. What has he done to rectify that? He has a magic executive order pen, be creative and find a solution. It's going to be tough to convince voters that they have to vote a certain way or the country will be completely lost. The GOP seemingly does whatever the fuck they want, regardless of who is in the WH.

R91, an Executive Order isn’t permanent and can be erased like magic by Republicans.

She's right about a lot of things...Democrats asleep at the wheel thinking Roe v Wade was settled, Republican efforts at the grass roots level,

Most Americans rarely considered Supreme Court appointments when casting POTUS votes.

But, as always with her and her husband, she puts little if any blame on herself.

The NYT has never liked her and will frame every thing she says in the most negative light. She is being self critical her. She is a Democrat and a woman. She's telling the truth. And we need to not be complacent now. We need to get on the fucking bus. Because what people don't realize is once the Supreme courts and the laws of the land legitimize interference with women's reproductive rights, they are going to come up with mass sterilization, and a whole lot of other laws. Think about Nazi Germany. They shit t hey put in place happened in stages. Gradually. . Read some history. And cancel the NYTs. they are in the bag for Putin.

Nothing like a Hillary thread to bring out the trolls.

She wishes she was Eleanor Roosevelt, but is a far cry from such class and determination. I am a man, and outside of siding with women, can’t imagine the whole scope of women’s rights that have been gutted away from tRump’s toxic and conservative Supreme Court. And if he comes back, he’s going to take away even more rights. Donald is not freedom.

[quote]And if he comes back, he’s going to take away even more rights. Donald is not freedom.

No shit, Sherlock.

[quote]an Executive Order isn’t permanent and can be erased like magic by Republicans.

How many lives could it save in the interim, though?

Now we know for a fact how many SC Justices are compromised and corrupt, what can be done about it? We really need to.

She doesn't "wish she was Eleanor Roosevelt." She has made no secret of her admiration for Eleanor, and she has been guided by her many fine qualities. You know I find it interesting how so people condemn women like Hillary, Kamala, or Nancy Pelosi, or AOC. Why? Because they're political. They get in the arena and they're politicians. Unapologetically. This old queen loves them! Fuck the trolls. And then there's Michelle Obama who would rather be a celebrity and write self help books, and go on speaking tours with Gayle King. Michelle who loudly and often proclaims her disdain for "politics." All I can say about Michelle is that I like her fashion choices...most of the time, and I thought she was a fine First Lady. Hell. Fucking Nancy Reagan was more political than Michelle. So was Betty Ford.

[quote]The NYT has never liked her and will frame every thing she says in the most negative light.

They never liked Bill Clinton either. We're talking about the Editorial/OP-ed.

How could anyone still listen to or like Hillary Clinton?

[quote] She doesn't "wish she was Eleanor Roosevelt."

Than maybe she wishes she was Lorena Hitchcock

R102, troll alert.

You're proud to be retarted, aren't you, r102?

R105 I am proud to be retarted. I have no ragrets.

[quote] How could anyone still listen to or like Hillary Clinton?

Women like her, like her. The whole harridan corps, plus weak men. I can’t imagine any nice people liking her.

Nice people and assholish idiots like you finish last, R107.

Hilary should’ve licensed her name for a line of pantsuits.

[quote] Hilary also could not stop herself from insulting large portions of the populace she wished to govern. She’s done herself no favors

Unlike Donald Trump, who is such a nice and kind and likable person, right R83?

Get the fuck out of here.

Seriously what can we do about the Supreme Court? Anything? Or are they just gods and we are powerless against them?

How many times did Hillary visit Wisconsin in 2016? Hint: none. The dotard was the first Republican presidential nominee to win Wisconsin since 1984.

I wonder if she ever had any tough words for herself.

Yes, asshole she cancelled Wisconsin visit to get down to FLorida because of the Pulse Nightclub shooting and all the Gays would have crucified her if she had not gone to Florida. They tried t o reschedule Wisconsin but other urgent things were happening and the went to other states. This BTW, did not cost herb the PResidency. The fucking election was stolen. All of the 77744 votes were fucking stolen in Michigan Pennsylvania and you better believe the Scott Walker Neo Nazis were working with Putin's people in Wisconsin.

To all the trolls on here, let me say this once. Do not fuck with Hillary.

[quote] Do not fuck with Hillary.

Are her paid trolls still being employed to pretend she is loved?

Honestly those of you who think Hillary is universally beloved need to get a clue. Or who think only Republicans or MAGAs dislike her.

LOOK at his hair. They need to have a category for when you go to the hair stylist. "Give me "The DC Politician".

(Meaning David Brock.)

I'm no paid troll but if you fuck with her I will tell her. I will snitch you out, fucker. And that will be it for you. You will never have a career in Democratic politics. you won't be able to run for office either. I will make sure all of Tik Tok knows you work for the CHinese! And if you order take out I will make sure it is spoiled meat. I will cut the power to your computer too.

DL's Mommy Dearest

[quote] Seriously what can we do about the Supreme Court? Anything? Or are they just gods and we are powerless against them?

You just have to wait until they retire. Codify or legislate things like abortion rights. But you can only codify / legislate when your party is in the majority.

They can still throw out laws passed by Congress, which this Supreme Court absolutely would do. It’s really time to attack the Court’s legitimacy. It’s not going to go back to any degree of impartiality in our lifetimes and they have no problem flaunting their disregard for ethics.

That sounds kind of insurrectiony

[quote] That sounds kind of insurrectiony

Fits in well with Pelosi's two failed coup attempts

No we don't if we get a majority in the Senate, a wider majority, and win back the House, we can pass legislation to reform the court. We can get enough votes to kill the filibuster, and we can expand the court. We can also institute impeachment proceedings against Thomas and Alito, and pressure Roberts to either reform or resign. The SCOTUS reflected the number of circuits in the U.S. It was expanded to 9. We now have 13 circuits. this is important because ever Justice presides over a circuit. So right now the court is over extended. If we show up and vote Blue from top to bottom we can put the brakes on this Extremist idiocy.

[quote] We can get enough votes to kill the filibuster,

We've been here before. Dumbass Harry Reed was warned in detail what limiting the judicial filibuster would lead to and how Harry wouldn't like it one bit, But Dumb Harry thought they were about to rule forever.

REFORM! whenilose.

Harry *Reid* was far from a dumbass. Republicans were blocking all of Obama’s nominees because they hated him. Republicans wouldn’t have batted an eye to get rid of the filibuster for judicial nominees AND the Supreme Court.

[quote]Republicans wouldn’t have batted an eye to get rid of the filibuster for judicial nominees AND the Supreme Court.

The Republicans controlled the Senate under President Bush in the 108th and 109th Congress, and no they didn't. Also, the GOP was not blocking all the nominees. The nuclear option was used by Reid because of three nominees to the D.C. Court of Appeals. You're pushing a myth to make people feel better about the huge mistake Reid made that directly led to the current makeup of the Supreme Court.

Remember when Harry got beat up by rough trade?

God, you people...

Did laugh at retarted, though. Love an own goal.

Hillary thought the Electoral College was a small liberal arts college in Vermont.

[quote] the Electoral College was a small liberal arts college in Vermont.

Wasn't that the college that Robby Mook attended?

[quote]Wasn't that the college that Robby Mook attended?

He earned a certificate in political campaign management from correspondence school.

So now the trolls are tearing down Harry Reid. He's a monster, and the Republicans have behaved so respectably!

Remember the troll message, Democrats suck and are to blame for all of the ills in the world. Republicans are fine, upstanding people.

R128 they may or may not have hated Obama, but what most of us have consistently failed to appreciate is that blocking Obama's court nominees was part of a larger strategy. All a long they have had a broad multi layered strategy for taking over government and it included both houses of Congress and taking over the courts. It also included state legislatures and state courts. They have been erecting "firewalls" so that they can keep moving us further to the Right. The judiciary was a firewall, and they weren't giving an inch to Obama. The Dems are so busy trying to be "bi-partisan" and negotiating, they have often failed to see the bigger picture. To our peril.

I love how taking over the courts is a positive thing when democrats write about it.

[quote] I love how taking over the courts is a positive thing when democrats write about it.

That's because we can be trusted, and they can't.

Republicans are fascist scum. They want to impose their will on the people.

Democrats let the process work itself out.

BIG difference.

LOL R138 you're delusional if you think they care about you.. My god.

R136, the Dems just want to do the jobs they were elected to do. In the end it’s the right thing to do and it will serve them in good stead while the right wing nuts keep pushing more and more moderates out of their party.

I wonder who Clinton has as a ghos writer now. She didn't even read her own autobiography so you really can't hold her for anything said in her name anymore.

Vince Foster is her ghost writer.

The Democrats still believe in the United States Constitution which is the framework for our judicial system our government and our laws. That is the basic difference between the Dems and this current version of the Republican PArty.

That's because Alberto Gonzalez taught the Rethugs that the law was anything they wanted it to be.

R144 he learned that from Ashcroft.

BTW . ATTENTION: Please! May I have your attention for a moment? ...Thank you. I just wanted to remind you that the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy, are going to EXPIRE in 2025. Another reason to vote BLUE.

To be fair, r146, the parts that are expiring are individual income taxes, which cut taxes for everyone. The corporate tax cuts and capital gains cuts are permanent.

[quote] the parts that are expiring are individual income taxes

[quote] The corporate tax cuts and capital gains cuts are permanent

Naturally.

I fucking hate Republicans.

Corporations will never pay their fair share.

To be fair R147, nothing is "permanent." And we can see to it that ew undo every fucking thing we need to undo. .....Now, once we pass laws, we can make them permanent.

I wish Hillary were running for President this year.

I'd vote for her.

[quote]R36: Except Russiagate.

Exactly which "Russiagate" do you mean that you think she was wrong about, R36?

𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐞 may refer to:

► A late 1990s scandal in which billions of dollars were laundered out of Russia with the assistance of Western banks such as the Bank of New York

► The Mueller report investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections as well as related concepts such as:

• the fringe conspiracy theory (Russia investigation origins counter-narrative)

• Links between Trump associates and Russian officials

► 2019 allegations over Italian party Lega accepting Russian funding

► 2023-2024 allegations that members of the European Parliament were illegally or unethically influenced by Russia

Which one, Precious? Which one?

all your Russia bullshit always has to be started with allegations or alleged.

Russia interfering is not "russia bullshit." It has been proven. You fucking troll.

My God will we ever stop reliving the 2016 election?

Yes, when Trump dies (which will hopefully be soon 🤞🙏).

The Young Turks victory party party is too cute to ever let fade

[quote]R153: all your Russia bullshit always has to be started with allegations or alleged.

Only two of the examples listed at R152 employ the term 'alleged,' and they're not really relevant to our issue here.

Russia's interference in the US 2016 election is a fact.

Hillary's selling coffee mugs that say, : "She was right about everything!" I'm going to buy one. fuck it!