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UK General Election announcement frenzy!

The rumour mill has been on overdrive for the past 24 hours.

All the political pundits are certain that Rishi Sunak will finally call a General Election at 5pm this afternoon.

The Tories are consistently about 20 points down in the polls. Will they finally be told to fuck off after 14 years of dismal failure?

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by Anonymousreply 313June 18, 2024 6:05 AM

He keeps parroting on that his “plan” for reducing inflation is working. Yet, this plan is strangely silent on any details. Much of the inflation is due to Covid supply-side shocks, demand-side inflation (quantitative easing) and increased costs of imports due to friction of trading with the EU introduced by Brexit. The last is a big part of why Britain’s inflation has been higher and lasted longer than much of the rest of the world. It’s his party that foisted the referendum on the UK and then chose to introduce the “hardest” version of the result.

by Anonymousreply 1May 22, 2024 3:40 PM

July 4th.

The Tories are facing a catastrophic defeat but so are the Scottish Nationalists. Over 80% will lose their seats.

Being it on.

by Anonymousreply 2May 22, 2024 3:41 PM

Holy shit, July 4th already? I was just about to post that he'll probably announce it'll be held in January.

This is surprising, I wonder what his thinking here is.

by Anonymousreply 3May 22, 2024 3:42 PM

Just checked the Euros - the quarter finals are on Friday 5th and Saturday 6th.

Would be quite something if Prime Minister Keir Starmer welcomes European champions England on their return.

by Anonymousreply 4May 22, 2024 3:47 PM

R3, Sunak knows it's a lost cause for him and the Tories. He wants to go on vacation for the rest of the summer.

by Anonymousreply 5May 22, 2024 3:49 PM

r5 That's funny. I thought he'd maybe work on pushing through as many populist policies as possible by January, to try and staunch the bleeding.

by Anonymousreply 6May 22, 2024 3:52 PM

R3 gives him plenty of time to move the wife and kids to the US ahead of the school year starting… honestly, I think it’s as simple as that!

by Anonymousreply 7May 22, 2024 3:52 PM

Though I’m far from an expert on uk politics, I’m hoping you guys finally free yourself from the grip of your rightwing.** It’s very concerning that the EU seems to be slipping into crypto-fascism and it would be encouraging to see the UK move left.

It also gives us Americans some hope that Rightism isn’t the inevitable path.

**although of course your “rightwing” is basically aligned with our centrist politics!

by Anonymousreply 8May 22, 2024 3:53 PM

It's about time.

Can't wait to see the back of so many Tory MPs.

by Anonymousreply 9May 22, 2024 4:02 PM

European elections are two weeks from now as well and it's looking like the right-wingers will be able to form a majority in the European Parliament for the first time ever. So that sucks.

[quote]It’s very concerning that the EU seems to be slipping into crypto-fascism and it would be encouraging to see the UK move left.

These things always move back and forth. While the UK and Italy have right-wingers in charge currently, Spain (and Norway and others) have leftists. And that'll soon change. Rinse and repeat, just like in the US. European countries don't elect their governments in unison, at the same time. It's usually always a response to the fuckery of the previous government. And honestly, the votes in the upcoming European elections will mostly be protest votes against the ruling governments, whether left or right.

by Anonymousreply 10May 22, 2024 4:05 PM

It's about time! I am so glad this is happening. I'm putting on BBC as I type.

by Anonymousreply 11May 22, 2024 4:09 PM

The Tories have been in charge for 15 years now. Imagine if either party in the US had the reins for that long, people would go insane.

by Anonymousreply 12May 22, 2024 4:16 PM

Rishi's BS announcement speech getting drowned out by 'Things Can Only Get Better' (Labour's '97 victory anthem) is straight up World Championship Trolling!

by Anonymousreply 13May 22, 2024 4:19 PM

I'm now suddenly concerned he's seen some horrific figures about an economic crash due in the autumn. He might want to just get out quick. But I can't see the cabinet being on board with supporting the end of their careers and the suicide note of the Conservative party just so he can go on holiday.

by Anonymousreply 14May 22, 2024 4:19 PM

[quote]The Tories have been in charge for 15 years now. Imagine if either party in the US had the reins for that long, people would go insane.

It’s only 14 years and the first 5 were a coalition. It’s not like Thatcher and Major or Blair and Brown.

And Labour have been in power in Wales for 25 years and the SNP in Scotland for 17 years

by Anonymousreply 15May 22, 2024 4:29 PM

I’ve been a Black Muslim for 30 years, I’m excited to see Sharia law will happen soon in the UK. These straight white Christians need to hang it up, the nasty Karen ass women too. They been abusing the power forever. We built these nations, time to control them right.

by Anonymousreply 16May 22, 2024 4:43 PM

What about Brown people like Rishi, r16?

by Anonymousreply 17May 22, 2024 4:52 PM

[quote] It’s only 14 years and the first 5 were a coalition. It’s not like Thatcher and Major or Blair and Brown.

Or Blair Brown.

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by Anonymousreply 18May 22, 2024 4:58 PM

John Swinney stirring the the grievance pot immediately complaining that July 4th is in the Scottish school holidays.

Getting excuses in early.

by Anonymousreply 19May 22, 2024 5:01 PM

Sad last days for the cult of Brexit.

by Anonymousreply 20May 22, 2024 5:03 PM

R16 what were you before the 30 years?

by Anonymousreply 21May 22, 2024 5:04 PM

The Conservative’s best (only, and extremely remote) hope of survival is in getting their geriatric supporters to vote in greater numbers than younger voters who are more likely to vote Labour. Trying to get the elderly out to vote in the middle of winter might have seemed like a risk not worth taking. By getting the vote out of the way now, Sunak may also be hoping to avoid holding one in the middle of an NHS winter crisis when hospitals are full and staff at the end of their tether.

by Anonymousreply 22May 22, 2024 5:13 PM

R22 are you British? Most elderly people use postal votes now so the timing wouldn’t have any impact on them.

by Anonymousreply 23May 22, 2024 5:33 PM

He's got good inflation figures to boast about (little to do with him in fact), but there still won't be interest rates cuts, so there is a tranche of people on fixed mortgage rates who will be hit harder in the autumn. Economically, there is unlikely to have been better news before the autumn.

by Anonymousreply 24May 22, 2024 5:34 PM

I think a Labour/Starmer government firnly in power by November might actually somewhat help Biden. There will most likely be a state visit by Starmer to the White House in the early fall.

by Anonymousreply 25May 22, 2024 5:34 PM

Good. It’s past time.

C’mon, UK, I have faith in you.

by Anonymousreply 26May 22, 2024 5:36 PM

fucking muppets

by Anonymousreply 27May 22, 2024 5:41 PM

[quote] are you British? Most elderly people use postal votes now so the timing wouldn’t have any impact on them

Yes, r23, I’m British.

Only 20% of all UK voters apply for postal votes. While older people are more likely to apply for them, the 80% who do not are a big risk factor for the Conservatives, especially as the Conservatives are going to be absolutely desperate to drive up turnout amongst their most likely voters. Given their dire prospects, every single percentage point matters.

If Sunak had decided to wait until the last possible moment to call an election, it would likely have meant going to the polls in December. Prior to the December election in 2019 (called by Johnson to break the Brexit deadlock), the last December election was in 1923, which gives an indication of how desirable the parties think it is to have an election in that month.

by Anonymousreply 28May 22, 2024 6:11 PM

Sunak looked hilarious in his wet bespoke suit during his rainy election announcement. It looked like birds took a series oily shits all over his shoulders. "Things Can Only Get Better" blaring over him was icing on the cake. Tory shambles!

by Anonymousreply 29May 22, 2024 6:31 PM

[quote] The Tories have been in charge for 15 years now. Imagine if either party in the US had the reins for that long, people would go insane.

Regan/Bush was 12 years and FDR/Truman was 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 30May 22, 2024 6:37 PM

[quote] fucking muppets

Brits are obsessed with Friends and calling people Muppets. Weird.

by Anonymousreply 31May 22, 2024 6:38 PM

Starmer will be a disaster.

by Anonymousreply 32May 22, 2024 6:38 PM

It's a poisoned chalice.

by Anonymousreply 33May 22, 2024 6:44 PM

He should have set it for January.

by Anonymousreply 34May 22, 2024 6:46 PM

R31 Fuck off, you fucking muppet, and take R32 with you.

by Anonymousreply 35May 22, 2024 6:49 PM

Apparently Sunak had doubts about his decision right up to the wire. It's been seen as a massive gamble. But when I see January noted as a former option, I can only welcome July 4 with open arms. Eight more months of Sunak's holier-than-thou head prefect act fronting a party in abject decay would have been unendurable.

by Anonymousreply 36May 22, 2024 7:00 PM

Starmer won’t be a disaster by any means but he has some really weak people around him who will struggle.

David Lammy will he an appalling foreign secretary and Miliband shouldn’t be anywhere near government.

Very few of his team were part of the last Labour government and they will struggle with the scrutiny. Today a Tory minister was being ridiculed for taking his shoes off on a train and having his laptop screen visible.

by Anonymousreply 37May 22, 2024 7:01 PM

R25 - I'm not sure how a Starmer victory would help Biden

by Anonymousreply 38May 22, 2024 7:12 PM

Why would Starmer make a state visit to the US in the autumn? Especially if the only reason Biden would invite him would be to use him as an election tool.

by Anonymousreply 39May 22, 2024 8:29 PM

It must be nice to live in a country where the election outcome will be accepted by all, regardless of the outcome.

by Anonymousreply 40May 23, 2024 8:20 AM

[quote] Starmer will be a disaster.

You’re a disaster, sweetie.

Cannot wait to see the back of these sociopathic, self-serving Tory parasites.

by Anonymousreply 41May 23, 2024 8:29 AM

Agreed re The Tories r41 but you really need a reality check if you think Starmer is going to be much different. Nothing he has said so far shows any intention to reverse the catastrophic damage inflicted by Brexit for example.

In July last year Starmer confirmed he would copy Tory tax and spending plans if elected. In May last year he refused to commit to immediately ripping up the protest arrest law.

The man is a Tory in all but name.

by Anonymousreply 42May 23, 2024 8:38 AM

Can't wait for us to move on from the Brexit era. Customs union coming back after a bit of a cooldown period will be most welcome for lots of small businesses.

by Anonymousreply 43May 23, 2024 8:39 AM

Unbelievable that the Tories have been in power for the past 14 years.

If they win again in July - especially after the Brexit fiasco which was based on lies and misinformation and has been an unmitigated disaster - then that's insane.

by Anonymousreply 44May 23, 2024 8:59 AM

Yesterday was an episode of The Thick of It come to life. The rain, the D:ream song, harkening back to the good times of Covid, the complete inability to lie convincingly, and stupid British media. I needed a good summer comedy, and this will do nicely.

by Anonymousreply 45May 23, 2024 9:01 AM

R37 The minister on the train was the particularly awful Johnny Mercer. A former army officer who has made many claims about helping veterans only for some of said veterans to very much disagree. He's also prone to getting into Twitter spats. Just recently he called a fellow MP a "moron" on there and, perhaps worse, he took aim at Carol Vorderman for daring to criticise him.

Apparently Rishi's team strongly suggested he do his speech inside, but he was determined to "go out" to speak to the British people. And yet now the image of him looking like a drowned rat while "Things Can Only Get Better" blares in the background will be one of the enduring images of this election campaign.

I don't think for a second Starmer will make the UK magically better, but I do feel a Labour government will improve some aspects. The Tories have been in power for far too long and have ruined so much. I just hope the electorate don't squander this chance to get rid of them.

by Anonymousreply 46May 23, 2024 9:04 AM

[quote] Agreed re The Tories [R41] but you really need a reality check if you think Starmer is going to be much different. Nothing he has said so far shows any intention to reverse the catastrophic damage inflicted by Brexit for example. In July last year Starmer confirmed he would copy Tory tax and spending plans if elected. In May last year he refused to commit to immediately ripping up the protest arrest law. The man is a Tory in all but name.

We left the European Union by referendum and the decision was ratified in 2019. I neither backed Brexit nor voted Tory but I accept the decision because I’m not a democrat, unlike Trump.

In 1997 Blair and Brown were attacked for copying Tory spending plans and then attacked for deviating from them and investing massively in public services.

Starmer is clearly not a conservative and he knows there are limits as to what a Labour government can do. Falling into the trap of pledging to reverse every bad Tory law when there are more important policies to develop is sensible.

by Anonymousreply 47May 23, 2024 9:06 AM

R45 Indeed. All the jokes have been rolling in... Drowning Street, Things Can Only Get Wetter, etc.

Also I've noticed posts from friends who rarely (if ever) get political mocking it - particularly, as you point out, his fond reminiscing of a pandemic. He's so woefully out of touch.

by Anonymousreply 48May 23, 2024 9:07 AM

This morning Sunak framed Drowning Street as his being a come rain or come shine kind of guy: a guy who will face down any challenges to get his message across.

Quite canny in its way in the week Sunak's nine-figure personal fortune was confirmed. I can get caught in heavy rain too, just like you! Still though, he has four houses plus No.10 and Chequers in which to dry off, so the bonding only goes so far.

by Anonymousreply 49May 23, 2024 9:13 AM

[quote][R37] The minister on the train was the particularly awful Johnny Mercer. A former army officer who has made many claims about helping veterans only for some of said veterans to very much disagree. He's also prone to getting into Twitter spats. Just recently he called a fellow MP a "moron" on there and, perhaps worse, he took aim at Carol Vorderman for daring to criticise him.

Well Carol Vorderman is an attention seeking opportunistic cunt so being criticised by her isn’t a bad thing.

And in the last week the Corbynite crank news site Joe ran a story about a veteran (who had served in Iran and Iraq) being let down by the veterans service and then they quietly deleted the story when it turned out he wasn’t a veteran. Spoiler: Iran was a giveaway.

But whether Mercer is competent or nice or not he was being attacked for using his laptop in the first class section of a train and taking his shoes off. It was funny when Emily Thornberry was pictured in standard class with her shoes off after her appalling campaign to be Labour leader but she was a comedy figure not a member of the government.

Labour have never been in government with social media. They are going to struggle with the scrutiny and ridicule.

by Anonymousreply 50May 23, 2024 9:31 AM

Carol isn't that bad.

by Anonymousreply 51May 23, 2024 9:33 AM

And virtual Tory r50 seems to forget about Diane Abbott and her Marks and Spencer cocktail can incident.

by Anonymousreply 52May 23, 2024 9:35 AM

R40, do you mean all those doubts when Trump was elected in 2016, so much so that there were recounts and an inquiry? Which found that he did legitimately win, despite what many Democrats were saying (even if Hillary actually won the most votes - that's the kind of thing Americans should be trying to reform, not each side demonising its opponent).

by Anonymousreply 53May 23, 2024 9:46 AM

Oh please no one treated Diane Abbott’s Mojito incident seriously and she was technically breaking the law

by Anonymousreply 54May 23, 2024 9:47 AM

R50 I disagree regarding Carol Vorderman, but even if that were the case, she's not in politics. She was just criticising Mercer because he committed to ending veteran homelessness by the end of 2023 whereas it actually increased during that time.

Instead of replying in a professionally (or ignoring her), he tweeted that she had a "shit lonely life". I mean, regardless of your personal views on Vorderman, it's clearly inappropriate for an MP to say such things to someone who points out out a failed political promise. And, what's more, his angry response just showed she was right which is why he had nothing of value to say in response to her comments.

Mercer was rightly criticised for using his work laptop in public in such a way that it was possible for anyone to read and photograph the screen. I don't work in politics, but even I'm given guidance on not accessing work in a public place if my screen can be viewed. If a minister is so lax with private information it makes you wonder what else he could have inadvertently leaked. He could easily add a privacy screen to his laptop.

If anyone in the Labour government did such a thing I would also criticise them.

by Anonymousreply 55May 23, 2024 10:20 AM

Oh look, another pompous Briton at r50. Groundbreaking.

by Anonymousreply 56May 23, 2024 10:27 AM

Huge boost to Labour with new Scottish First Minister John Swinney backing the dude who tried to defraud the taxpayer of £11k when his work ipad was used stream the Celtic Rangers match when he was on holiday with his kids.

Every SNP candidate will be asked if they back the fraudster or back his suspension. The Labour leaflets will write themselves and the SNP are in such financial shit they can barely afford to campaign.

by Anonymousreply 57May 23, 2024 2:22 PM

I don’t understand how 20% of the British electorate could say, “I’m currently unhappy with my life so I’m going to abandon all of my principles and vote for a different party, one that is diametrically opposed to those principles.” In the U.S., the percentage of swing voters has been half that during the last thirty years. Maybe these swing people don’t have any principles.

by Anonymousreply 58May 23, 2024 2:31 PM

I've visited Dudley, r58. I can.

by Anonymousreply 59May 23, 2024 3:04 PM

R58 You give people too much credit. Many just vote for the same party regardless (without being able to articulate why) whereas others just vote based off personalities and who they "like".

I've seen so many segments on the news where a reporter takes to a High Street to ask the general public who they're going to vote for. It's very rare someone will give what sounds like a sensible reply.


"Well, I like Mr Starmer, he seems nice"

"Gonna vote Labour cause they're better than the other lot innit!"

"I ain't voting Labour cause stop the boats!"

"Oh I dunno, love. I probably won't vote at all, nuffin' ever gets better anyway"

by Anonymousreply 60May 23, 2024 3:50 PM

Fucking pinko Corbyn standing as an independent.

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by Anonymousreply 61May 23, 2024 4:05 PM

[quote] Many just vote for the same party regardless (without being able to articulate why) whereas others just vote based off personalities and who they "like".

Maybe the issue is universal suffrage, or maybe it’s too easy to vote. If there are some minimal barriers to voting that are easily overcome by those who strongly want to participate in the process, it could weed out those who don’t really care about it.

by Anonymousreply 62May 23, 2024 4:20 PM

The EU doesn’t really want the UK back, given they were never truly “in” in the first place. Labour recently, and once again, “ruled out” rejoining.

Article from earlier this month. Good read.

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by Anonymousreply 63May 23, 2024 4:22 PM

Corbyn standing as an independent is good for Labour.

Shows Starmer has changed Labour beyond recognition and makes it easier to expel the cranks who support him.

I don’t think he’ll win.

by Anonymousreply 64May 23, 2024 4:31 PM

What would the Conservative Party have to do to turn it around by election day?

by Anonymousreply 65May 23, 2024 5:58 PM

slap faces viciously

by Anonymousreply 66May 23, 2024 5:59 PM

I haven’t got much hope for squeaky voiced Starmer.

by Anonymousreply 67May 23, 2024 8:13 PM

Well, I don't hold any ANY hope for corrupt, condescending, tetchy, posh braying ass-voiced Sunak.

by Anonymousreply 68May 23, 2024 8:47 PM

I heard some commentary on a podcast about how vicious the Tories will be with personal attacks on Starmer but Labour are going to give as good as they get, going by the crime statistics attacks earlier this year.

The only truce will be Labour and the Lib Dems who need each other to do well.

Brighton Pavilion is going to be enjoyable. Over the previous 4 elections Caroline Lucas won for The Greens with 31%, 41%, 52% and 57%. How much of that was a personal vote and how much of that is party based will be made clea with Sian Berry being picked to fight it despite having no links to Brighton and having resigned her London Assembly seat 3 days after being elected last month. Labour have a local candidate, former Britpop star Tom Gray from Gomez and are back in control of the council.

by Anonymousreply 69May 23, 2024 9:12 PM

[quote] FDR/Truman was 20 years.

Those were the days.

by Anonymousreply 70May 23, 2024 9:23 PM

Today, Rishi kicks off his fail tour by asking a bunch of Welsh people in a brewery if they’re looking forward to the Euro football championship. Wales didn’t qualify.

He also u-turned so of his flagship policies: dropping refugees into Rwanda and banning youth smoking.

He’s clearly trying to lose big and move to California.

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by Anonymousreply 71May 23, 2024 10:35 PM

Six more weeks of Rishi among the groundlings, really trying hard to speak human plausibly. Prepare to cringe and chuckle in equal measure.

by Anonymousreply 72May 23, 2024 11:11 PM

I think as long as the government is demanding that people pay income tax then it's not really fair to throw up barriers to voting, r62. I don't really believe that the average person is an idiot and we need to limit voting to those who "deserve" it. You're describing Peter Thiel's worldview. A more sensible solution would be to introduce more of civics classes in schools and also teach people how to identify misinformation.

by Anonymousreply 73May 24, 2024 1:37 AM

Starmer is on breakfast TV just now.

He looks terrified, like a lamb caught in the headlights, no charisma at all. I can’t believe that after all these years he is the best the Labour Party has to offer. Fuck it, I am going away in a couple of weeks for the rest of the summer so will miss the whole thing, I will use that as an excuse not to vote. By the time I return to London it will all be done and dusted.

by Anonymousreply 74May 24, 2024 7:05 AM

Boris Johnson had charisma. That didn’t work out to well.

Starmer has his flaws but I’d rather have a dull Prime Minister over an incompetent one.

by Anonymousreply 75May 24, 2024 7:39 AM

Anything that pisses off Angry (formerly) Young Brit works for me.

by Anonymousreply 76May 24, 2024 7:45 AM

The Jeremy Corbyn of my dreams: "I am proficient in Tiger Crane style and I am more than proficient in the exquisite art of the samurai sword"

by Anonymousreply 77May 24, 2024 8:11 AM

[QUOTE] Fuck it, I am going away in a couple of weeks for the rest of the summer so will miss the whole thing, I will use that as an excuse not to vote.

What patriotic spirit. “Ask not what you can do for your country—ask what your country can do for you after you get back from vacation.”

by Anonymousreply 78May 24, 2024 8:19 AM

Holiday, not vacation R78.

But seriously, that arsehole just needs to fix a postal vote.

by Anonymousreply 79May 24, 2024 8:22 AM

Idiots like r74 is why the UK gave itself a 20 year climb out of a hole called Brexit.

by Anonymousreply 80May 24, 2024 8:24 AM

Jeremy Corbyn trending and looking at the support for him so many accounts planning on going to Islington to campaign for him. No Islington residents saying they will vote for him.

As we saw with previous far left campaigns they rarely work. Momentum's "Unseat Boris" campaign resulted in an increased majority for Boris in Uxbridge although it didn't help that Labour's candidate apologised for being a racist himself.

I wonder if the Greens will decide to stand down (around 4000 votes) to help him?

by Anonymousreply 81May 24, 2024 8:54 AM

Labour's definitely starting early. I just had a canvasser at my door.

by Anonymousreply 82May 24, 2024 10:37 AM

R71, that's shocking, bordering on cruel. Doesn't he have people to brief him?

And to the poster who thinks England is going to win the Euros, I have one word: waistcoat.

by Anonymousreply 83May 24, 2024 11:02 AM

Welsh football fans are looking forward to the Euros - they will be supporting anyone but England as they do always.

by Anonymousreply 84May 24, 2024 11:19 AM

"Sir Fear Starmer, The Knight That Won't Fight".

Not sure that's going to stick.

by Anonymousreply 85May 24, 2024 11:48 AM

Can Starmer lead?

by Anonymousreply 86May 24, 2024 11:52 AM

It's about saving face. The economic outlook for the rest of the year is gloomy and whatever bounce he's likely to get from his insane immigration plan will some shortly.

by Anonymousreply 87May 24, 2024 11:55 AM

r86 Well he can't possibly be worse than Rishi or the last 4 Conservative PM's. His only real issue is going to be managing the Israel/Palestine party split.

by Anonymousreply 88May 24, 2024 12:01 PM

R86 Starmer can clearly lead. He took over facing a seeming impossible job to be even competitive in this election.

Yes, he's been helped by the on-going Tory clusterfuck, but he's - quite ruthlessly - decontaminated Labour post-Corbyn, and positioned them as being seen as a safe option. That 20-point lead over the past 12-months doesn't lie.

by Anonymousreply 89May 24, 2024 1:44 PM

Starmer seems like the kind of unflashy person who might actually accomplish something.

by Anonymousreply 90May 24, 2024 1:58 PM

[quote]"Sir Fear Starmer, The Knight That Won't Fight".

Well up to the Mar-a-Lago level of schoolyard wit so popular these past eight years.

by Anonymousreply 91May 24, 2024 2:13 PM

I don't think the UK understands how deep their mess is. It's going to take more than a change in government to fix it, and it's going to take a long time. We all want cool Britannia back, but we need to be prepared for a stagnation similar to the '70s. Their artistic output will continue to be good, as it was then, but the standard of living and overall quality of life will be stagnant.

by Anonymousreply 92May 24, 2024 2:17 PM

There will be fewer Portillo moments, it seems, with guaranteed losers John Redwood and Michael Gove recently announcing they are not standing for re-election. Still, at least there will be Jeremy Hunt, alongside pond-life like Lee Anderson.

by Anonymousreply 93May 24, 2024 6:15 PM

Gove is a serious cunt. I'm thrilled that craven careerist will be out of government.

by Anonymousreply 94May 24, 2024 6:21 PM

So Gove who urged Sunak to opt for the early election by saying 'Who dares wins' now doesn't want to be among the supposed daring winners. I wonder how long he'll have to wait for his elevation to the Lords.

by Anonymousreply 95May 24, 2024 6:33 PM

People like Cokehead Gove and Grey Alien Redwood quitting before we have a chance to humiliate them at the polls just proves that the Tories will never let us have any nice things!

by Anonymousreply 96May 24, 2024 6:38 PM

I hope Rees-Mogg stays so we can witness him in a minority party.

by Anonymousreply 97May 24, 2024 6:50 PM

Gove was one of the few Tories who cared about government delivering improved services. He transformed education and English kids are benefitting from it massively, and it's more impressive when you compare it to how Scotland and Wales have done in the same period. It also helped that Nick Gibb spent 11 of the last 14 years as minister for schools. And look at some of the crap that followed.


Name all FIVE MPs who served as Secretary Of State for Education between 11th September 2021 and 11th September 2022.

by Anonymousreply 98May 24, 2024 6:52 PM

As a mother, I’m very upset about Dame Angela Leadbetter or whatever her name is standing down.

by Anonymousreply 99May 24, 2024 7:43 PM

Andrea Leadsom is out. I love today.

by Anonymousreply 100May 24, 2024 7:56 PM

Corbyn running as an independent for Islington North. He and his chattering class followers will save the country!

by Anonymousreply 101May 24, 2024 8:16 PM

How very working class.

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by Anonymousreply 102May 24, 2024 8:17 PM

R14: It's common knowledge that he's seen depressing numbers for the fall.

by Anonymousreply 103May 24, 2024 9:54 PM

How does one see depressing numbers for what in Britain is actually called autumn so many months in advance, r103? Growth, inflation, job figures can't be calculated before the quarter is over and the data are in. In fact, Rishi announced the election the day that the consumer price index was released because he thought the figure was going to be better than it was and he could then use that as a springboard to launch the Tory campaign. It's not possible to know the actual figures until they are released. Sure, general trends can be identified, but the general trend until the CPI was released this week suggested that interest rates could start being reduced soonish.

A general election has to be called by December, no need to take it right down to the wire. The longer he delayed, the worse the political pressure would be for the Tories.

by Anonymousreply 104May 25, 2024 6:09 AM

The Guardian's Corbyn wing are doing their standard LABOUR ARE AS BAD AS THE TORIES crap. This "analysis" is just a load of twitter talking points cobbled together.

These two lines are just so lazy

[quote]Both non-London southerners, they come from well-paid jobs outside Westminster, Sunak in finance and Starmer in law. SW1 is stuffed with lifers, yet these two only became MPs in 2015, gifted ultra-safe seats and swift promotion to the frontbench.

Grievance, grievance, grievance.

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by Anonymousreply 105May 25, 2024 8:48 AM

Guardian Opinion needs to move on from the mid-century ways of thinking. They get money from me until they do. Britain desperately needs a left flank that can actually get things done.

by Anonymousreply 106May 25, 2024 9:01 AM

[quote]they come from well-paid jobs outside Westminster

[quote]SW1 is stuffed with lifers, yet these two only became MPs in 2015

Because obviously politics can well do without intelligent MPs capable of earning good salaries outside the Commons. Funny that 'late' entry to politics is used as an attack line - the flip-side is to fault politicians who have never known any professional life outside Westminster, and have no outside experience on which to draw.

by Anonymousreply 107May 25, 2024 9:04 AM

Keir Starmer - attended local school, first in his family to go to university, did a lot of pro bono work for good causes, established own chambers, took huge pay cut to become Director of Public Prosecutions, became an MP in his 50s - CAREERIST

Jeremy Corbyn - attended private and grammar schools, did some oversees teaching, worked for a trade union, elected councillor at 24, and an MP at 34. DECENT ORDINARY POLITICIAN

by Anonymousreply 108May 25, 2024 9:43 AM


Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 109May 25, 2024 9:44 AM

Damn auto correct!

by Anonymousreply 110May 25, 2024 9:47 AM

R108 makes an excellent point.

by Anonymousreply 111May 25, 2024 11:43 AM

I'm not British but Charles is our King. I think the Conservatives have to got take a back seat for a while now. Starmer seems ok. Better than some of the garbage we've seen as PM from the Torys over the years. Johnson and what's her name. The lettuce lady. Bunch of twats. The wheels started to come off when Cameron left and fully came off with May's exit.

by Anonymousreply 112May 25, 2024 12:02 PM

Sunak is a gaffe machine on the campaign trail. He asked Welsh voters if they're looking forward to the European football championships. The problem is that Wales didn't qualify.

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by Anonymousreply 113May 25, 2024 12:05 PM

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by Anonymousreply 114May 25, 2024 12:09 PM

Belfast stop for his sinking party at the Titanic Museum. I shit you not.

by Anonymousreply 115May 25, 2024 12:13 PM

He didn't visit the "Titanic Museum", r115, he visited the so-called Titanic Quarter, which is a major regeneration project in the UK and a shipbuilding hub. People trying to ridicule him for visiting something with "Titanic" in the name are being ridiculous.

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by Anonymousreply 116May 25, 2024 12:23 PM

The people who chastise Brexit or Trump supporters for being gullible are very quick to accept fake news about people they don’t like.

And as many people have pointed out Rishi didn’t ask people in Wales if they were looking forward to Wales playing in the Euros, he just asked if they were looking forward to the football, and a lot of people are.

A lot of people were sharing a clearly photoshopped picture of Rishi at Morrisons with his head imposed over the RIS text.

by Anonymousreply 117May 25, 2024 12:32 PM

Those poor, aggrieved Tories. How very dare they

by Anonymousreply 118May 25, 2024 12:35 PM

R117, I am the poster at r116 correcting the misinformation about the Titanic Quarter. I also believe that everyone who voted for the UK to leave the EU is either a gullible moron or genuinely wants to damage the UK.

by Anonymousreply 119May 25, 2024 12:36 PM

And the bottle of Pommery in my fridge will be drunk in celebration of Michael Gove's demise.

by Anonymousreply 120May 25, 2024 12:36 PM

What's 'ridiculous' R119 is Rishi's Comms team not realising what an open goal for satirists visiting anything linked to the Titanic at the start of an election campaign!

You sound as peevish as Liz Truss crying about the lettuce comparison. It's politics. You put your big boy/girl pants on!

by Anonymousreply 121May 25, 2024 12:38 PM

Time to kick those rich Republicans/Tories/ Conservatives out of office.

The UK needs to move to replace the House of Lords.

by Anonymousreply 122May 25, 2024 12:51 PM

[quote]What's 'ridiculous' [R119] is Rishi's Comms team not realising what an open goal for satirists visiting anything linked to the Titanic at the start of an election campaign!

I don't see Sunak visiting the largest regeneration project in Northern Ireland as a gaffe, regardless of its name, but then I didn't think Ed Miliband's sandwich was of any interest.

I have more of a problem with the photo issued by the Tory campaign of a woman handing Sunak an umbrella being used by the media today without making clear it's a planted photo.

by Anonymousreply 123May 25, 2024 12:55 PM

Britain goes to the polls on 4 July, but one issue not on any politician’s lips is the country’s relations with the Land of the Free. Angus Hanton’s Vassal State: How America Runs Britain is the latest book to break this Westminster taboo, doing for business studies what Tom Stevenson’s Someone Else’s Empire recently did for foreign affairs. The book is a statistical barrage documenting the very high proportion of UK corporate assets owned by US multinationals, private equity and big tech. Parliamentarians who fulminate about China’s TikTok and Huawei may be barking up the wrong tree, it seems.

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by Anonymousreply 124May 25, 2024 2:07 PM

Both governing parties have propounded what Vassal States calls the ‘big lie’ of conflating corporate takeovers with genuinely useful foreign direct investment. Vassal State links this ideological disposition toward FDI to the intimacy of senior politicians with US firms, noting their revolving-door job appointments. On leaving office Blair and Brown were hired as advisers to JP Morgan and Pimco respectively, Cameron worked for payments processor First Data of Atlanta and biotech firm Illumnia of San Diego, and George Osborne was taken on by BlackRock. Rishi Sunak, alum of Stanford Business School, ex of Goldman Sachs, was only reluctantly parted from his Green Card. Britain’s leaders ‘have been coopted into the American machinery of influence and have rarely, if ever, questioned its growing dominance’.

Blame for weak corporate governance ultimately lies with a supine, and self-interested, political class.

by Anonymousreply 125May 25, 2024 2:07 PM

I keep getting Rishis YouTube advert and the only part I hear before I click skip is "the corona virus has hit Britain". Who in the party came up with the idea that immediately reminding people of the Tory parties actions in that era including unnecessary deaths, Downing Street parties, their mates getting rich, not to mention Rishis own role in the ultimate disaster Eat out to Help Out was being a vote winner with anyone?

by Anonymousreply 126May 25, 2024 2:16 PM

[quote]what an open goal for satirists visiting anything linked to the Titanic at the start of an election campaign!

Specially as 'Private Eye' not unpredictably featured the doomed ship on its cover, following the Tories' disastrous recent local election results. And then that No.10 drenching. And now Gove and Leadsom declining to remain aboard, making 77 Tories who want to spend more time not associating with electoral catastrophe. I have no doubt that Sunak is, to quote Liz Truss, 'A fighter not a quitter', but look what happened to her.

by Anonymousreply 127May 25, 2024 2:19 PM

Rishi doesn't seem particularly heterosexual to me.

Do UK dataloungers agree with me?

by Anonymousreply 128May 25, 2024 2:21 PM

His sexual orientation is money.

by Anonymousreply 129May 25, 2024 2:26 PM

[quote]Rishi doesn't seem particularly heterosexual to me. Do UK dataloungers agree with me?

Do you know any British Indian men in their mid 40s? He's a privately educated southerner.

He's posh, not gay.

by Anonymousreply 130May 25, 2024 2:47 PM

There are rumours about why Rishi has held on to the flat in Earls Court he bought when he was a student.

I'll leave it there.

by Anonymousreply 131May 25, 2024 2:50 PM

He bought a flat in London when he was a student in Oxford, r131?

by Anonymousreply 132May 25, 2024 3:28 PM

Yes. Allegedly, he likes to 'entertain' there.

In PMQs a few weeks ago, Starmer made a rather oblique reference as to why Sunak hangs on to it - it was in response to Sunak trying to pile on Angela Rayner about her Council House sale. Sunak looked like a deer in the headlights.

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by Anonymousreply 133May 25, 2024 3:41 PM

[quote]And the bottle of Pommery in my fridge will be drunk in celebration of Michael Gove's demise.

You may as well add an eight-ball so you can celebrate in true Gove style.

by Anonymousreply 134May 25, 2024 3:48 PM

R133 now that’s some decent goss!

by Anonymousreply 135May 25, 2024 3:51 PM

I don't know much about him, but I've never liked the looks of him. Smarmy guy married to a super wealthy woman - and who would seemingly trade his entire people for money and votes.

That's the vibe I get. Blech.

People ask why the fuck the US voted for Trump - but what the hell, UK? The past 13 years they've literally lit your country on fire - and they still get votes?

by Anonymousreply 136May 25, 2024 3:51 PM

R136 It's for the same reasons Trump and the GOP still get so many votes in the US: about 25-33% of the UK electorate is parochial, backward-looking, and prioritise shitting on minorities - especially immigrants - over their own economic well-being. They'll vote Tory (or an even more right wing alternative) come Hell or high water.

by Anonymousreply 137May 25, 2024 3:59 PM

You can't rationalise Tory support without commenting on what the alternative was. Ed Miliband? Jeremy Corbyn? Two complete imbeciles.

by Anonymousreply 138May 25, 2024 4:08 PM

So, r133, Sunak used to pop down to this flat in London to have gay sex at weekends when he was a student at Oxford? Seems rather elaborate. Why not just hang out with the gays at Oxford?

It's not goss, r135, it's fantasy. Sunak did not buy the flat as a student, but when he was living and working in London after graduating from Oxford.

by Anonymousreply 139May 25, 2024 4:22 PM

R139 bore off. He’s never going to “hang out” with the gays. Shame-filled, quickies in the privacy of his little flat - that I can see.

by Anonymousreply 140May 25, 2024 4:25 PM

The tweet linked at R133 is from an absolutely mental crack whore who tweets a load of shite.

by Anonymousreply 141May 25, 2024 4:43 PM

By "see", r140, you of course mean see in your mind's imagination.

by Anonymousreply 142May 25, 2024 4:46 PM

R142 well obviously Rish!’s little buddy 🙄.

by Anonymousreply 143May 25, 2024 5:01 PM

Sunak always did the embarrassed fake smile when Starmer at PMQs alluded to his property holdings and wealth. Totally Sunaks's achilles heel when he tried to portray himself as being in touch with the problems of ordinary people.

I doubt Mr Perfect would compromise his ascent with any sexual exploration, but imagination will always flourish. Meanwhile, Starmer has his slam-dunk on Sunak's otherworldly wealth to allude to in the TV debates. Prepare to hear for the thousandth time that Sunak once worked in his mother's pharmacy.

by Anonymousreply 144May 25, 2024 6:13 PM

Sunak's excessive wealth comes through marriage. He comes from a fairly ordinary middle class background.

His parents were immigrants to the UK as children and like a lot of British Indians worked in health. Apparently his parents tried to get him into Winchester on a scholarship and when he didn't get one they took on extra work to pay for the fees, and did the same for his younger brother. Not sure where their sister went to school.

His parents were ambitious for him. Yes he has become entitled and shielded from ordinary life because of his life experiences but he did not grow up in excessive wealth any more than Diane Abbott's son did. He is nowhere near the same level of posh as Cameron or Osborne.

by Anonymousreply 145May 25, 2024 7:04 PM

[quote]European elections are two weeks from now as well and it's looking like the right-wingers will be able to form a majority in the European Parliament for the first time ever. So that sucks.

It's all about immigration. Period.

by Anonymousreply 146May 25, 2024 7:07 PM

Didn't Sunak say a few years ago that he didn't know any working-class people?

by Anonymousreply 147May 25, 2024 7:09 PM

[quote]Didn't Sunak say a few years ago that he didn't know any working-class people?

This alone makes him an honorary Datalounger.

by Anonymousreply 148May 25, 2024 7:12 PM

[Quote] I’ve been a Black Muslim for 30 years, I’m excited to see Sharia law will happen soon in the UK. These straight white Christians need to hang it up, the nasty Karen ass women too. They been abusing the power forever. We built these nations, time to control them right.

R16 the Sharia law you embrace will require your gay, self-hating dumb ass to be thrown off the nearest roof. Not a moment too soon too.

by Anonymousreply 149May 25, 2024 7:31 PM

R149: You're dumb enough to believe this is a legit post?

by Anonymousreply 150May 25, 2024 7:46 PM

R150 Gays for Palestine, for example, makes it more than possible it's not a parody post.

by Anonymousreply 151May 25, 2024 9:24 PM

[quote]It's for the same reasons Trump and the GOP still get so many votes in the US: about 25-33% of the UK electorate is parochial, backward-looking, and prioritise shitting on minorities - especially immigrants - over their own economic well-being. They'll vote Tory (or an even more right wing alternative) come Hell or high water.

A question for anyone familiar with UK politics. Do the Tories have a faction that, in addition to the things quoted, have fallen off the turnip truck of sanity by embracing crackpot 'QAnon' or 'Deep State' style conspiracy theories the way the GOP has?

by Anonymousreply 152May 26, 2024 1:40 AM

Interesting that a billionaire's daughter married someone from relatively modest means. Was there snobbery on the part of her parents?

by Anonymousreply 153May 26, 2024 2:19 AM

[quote]A question for anyone familiar with UK politics. Do the Tories have a faction that, in addition to the things quoted, have fallen off the turnip truck of sanity by embracing crackpot 'QAnon' or 'Deep State' style conspiracy theories the way the GOP has?

That would be the Liz Truss element who are convinced there was a plot to bring her down and oppose her radical policies. There was also a camp led by Nadine Dorries who concocted a plot to bring down Boris Johnson, which he did himself with his dishonesty and rule breaking.

But they are a small element and not overly representative. The more imaginative cranks have left the Tories.

There's also the cranks and nutters on the left of the Labour Party who are convinced the deep state stopped Corbyn from becoming Prime Minister. And there are a lot of people who think THE JEWS conspired to stop Jeremy from becoming PM which is why #itwasascam regularly trends on Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 154May 26, 2024 6:55 AM

One thing that's an absolute breath of fresh air is the 6 week election period.

The US election period begins afresh as soon as the new President is inaugurated and runs the entire presidency. It's fucking boring.

by Anonymousreply 155May 26, 2024 7:25 AM

The SNP are now pledging that July 4th is Independence Day and if they "win the election" then the Scottish Government will start negotiating independence with Westminster.

"Winning the election" presumably means the SNP getting more than half of the 57 seats in Scotland, which is incentive for people to vote the candidate most likely to beat the SNP.

Labour won't believe their luck.

by Anonymousreply 156May 26, 2024 1:45 PM

He may have lost his mind.

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by Anonymousreply 157May 26, 2024 1:47 PM

The "National Service for all 18 year olds" is a fag packet policy along the lines of Labour's "free broadband" policy from the last election.

Beyond embarrassing that the details haven't been made clear.

by Anonymousreply 158May 26, 2024 1:54 PM

Mary! me all you want but I felt quite emotional reading this statement from Labour candidate Roh Yakobi who came to the UK as a child refugee from Afghanistan.

[quote]Overwhelmed by your responses. Thank you!

[quote]There have been a few tears. Have been thinking of the village and the punishing lives its people had. Of my mother, who lived the most tragic life and whose burial place I don't know. Of my father who fought the Soviets and then the Taliban, and sacrificed so much. Of my little brother who died in front of me of hunger under Taliban blockade.

[quote]Of that July 1999 day the Taliban came after me, the cell, the torture. Of running away and struggling to protect myself in Pakistan and Iran. Of the sweatshops, factories and building sites.

[quote]Of Britain, this wonderful, great country of ours, which I owe so much to. Of the @UKLabour I joined the day I became a British citizen in 2010.

[quote]Hugged my wife and kids and we wept together. I am ready to serve, ready to pay the debt I owe to our country.

[quote]Ready, with your support, to turn #TheWrekin red.

[quote]Please join my campaign. #VoteRoh #VoteLabour

The Wreckin constituency has been Tory since 2005 but was Labour for 18 years before then. He has a good chance of winning.

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by Anonymousreply 159May 26, 2024 2:08 PM

[quote]There was also a camp led by Nadine Dorries who concocted a plot to bring down Boris Johnson, which he did himself with his dishonesty and rule breaking.

I'm confused, did Dorries lead a plot to bring him down or did she push the idea that there *was* a plot? I was under the impression she'd be the last person in government to abandon Boris but I'm just a dumb American.

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by Anonymousreply 160May 26, 2024 2:08 PM

Even the commentators at the Mail and Express think this idea is loopy. EVEN the wingnut viewers of GB News think it's bonkers (a viewers' poll found only 20% support for it).

by Anonymousreply 161May 26, 2024 2:10 PM

[quote]I'm confused, did Dorries lead a plot to bring him down or did she push the idea that there *was* a plot? I was under the impression she'd be the last person in government to abandon Boris but I'm just a dumb American.

Sorry, I wasn't clear - Dorries fantasised about there being a plot to bring down Boris when he left office because he was wholly unsuited to being PM.

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by Anonymousreply 162May 26, 2024 2:36 PM

Nadine Dorries is the Marjorie Taylor Greene of Britain.

by Anonymousreply 163May 26, 2024 2:39 PM

Some good news for Rishi - his football team Southampton have just been promoted to the Premier League.

by Anonymousreply 164May 26, 2024 4:10 PM

Nadine Dorries is the Pound Shop version of Majorie Taylor Greene.

by Anonymousreply 165May 26, 2024 4:12 PM

And MTG is already a Kmart Sarah Palin!

by Anonymousreply 166May 26, 2024 4:13 PM

Kmart? Family Dollar.

by Anonymousreply 167May 26, 2024 4:15 PM

Stop running down my Kmart joke you booger!

by Anonymousreply 168May 26, 2024 4:24 PM

As awful as Nadine Dorries is, I'd argue Claudia Webbe is the UK's MTG

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by Anonymousreply 169May 26, 2024 4:33 PM

Why are we sending morons to our respective legislatures?

by Anonymousreply 170May 26, 2024 4:42 PM

Cleverly absolutely dire on the Sunday politics shows. So obvious they haven't thought through any of the details of this National Service scheme.

The only demographic that wants it - over 60s Boomers - are already voting Tory - it'll switch off young voters and their parents. I can't see many Reform voters switching on this alone -particularly when its clear Rwanda flights are probably now never happening.

Typical Tory Omnishambles.

by Anonymousreply 171May 26, 2024 4:48 PM

[quote]Why are we sending morons to our respective legislatures?

The candidates are picked by the party. In some cases the local party members who they want to represent them and in some cases they are imposed by the party leadership on grounds of loyalty.

Some MPs are local to the areas they represent and some have no link at all - see Eddie Izzard's attempts to become the candidate for Sheffield and then Brighton.

Claudia Webbe was a Corbyn loyalist and has since been expelled from the party for her criminal conviction and will lose her seat at the election. In 2019 several Corbyn loyalists were picked from safe seats and have been revealed to be idiots and the scale of Boris Johnson's victory meant the Tories ended up with some fucking weird MPs like car crash tranny Jamie Wallis, sex pest Rob Roberts, god botherer Scott Benton, Jonathan Gullis etc.

by Anonymousreply 172May 26, 2024 5:13 PM

One enjoyable part of the Tory plan is twitter is dredging up the most random forgotten old comedy clips in response to the new conscription manifesto.

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by Anonymousreply 173May 27, 2024 3:47 AM

Angela Rayner will have no further police action. Nice try, Tories.

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by Anonymousreply 174May 28, 2024 3:11 PM

I'm hoping Angela goes full Carrie after the GE - eviscerating scumbags like James 'The Mekon' Daly, Dan Hodges. and Tory Propagandist and Cuntress-In-Chief, Laura Kuennesberg.

by Anonymousreply 175May 28, 2024 3:19 PM

[quote]Angela Rayner will have no further police action. Nice try, Tories.

Exasperation in editorial meetings at The Daily Express and The Daily Mail.

by Anonymousreply 176May 28, 2024 3:30 PM

First polls out still showing significant Labour lead.

Survation have Labour 47% Tories 23% Lib Dem 11% Reform 8%

Redfield and Wilton have Labour on 46% Tories 23% Reform 13% Lib Dem 11%

Best PM has Starmer on 45% Sunak on 26%, Sunak disapproval rating down to -19% and only 46% of Tory voters from 2019 would stick with the party. Labour leads every age group. Amongst undecided voters Tories lead Labour by 1%.

It isn't going to get better.

by Anonymousreply 177May 28, 2024 4:35 PM

Amused to see great political sage Nigel Farage speak live today on behalf of Reform. His vigorous presentation took it as absolute fact that Labour would win, so why waste a vote for the Tories when Reform could benefit.

Maybe he isn't quite so confident about the result of the US election. He confirmed that later in the year he'd cross the Atlantic to offer vocal support for his friend Trump. Who would in his considered opinion make the world a safer place.

by Anonymousreply 178May 28, 2024 4:53 PM

Sporting legend Rob Burrow is publicly backing Labour, specifically Yvette Cooper.

Looks like Diane Abbott won't be a Labour candidate this election. I have no sympathy for her, total crank who blamed Russia invading Ukraine on NATO. Now would be a good time to retire, she'll have time to deal with her dependency on alcohol and visit her son more in the psychiatric hospital he's currently resting in.

by Anonymousreply 179May 28, 2024 6:06 PM

You're a total cunt, r179.

by Anonymousreply 180May 28, 2024 6:35 PM

Nah, I'm not a total cunt, just a bit of one.

Either you pity Diane Abbott for what she has become or you hold her accountable. The woman who criticised other politicians for sending their kids to selective schools and then sent her son to a private school. And who later wanted to abolish private schools.

And her stance on anti Jewish racism in Labour was disgusting, using the racism she has experienced throughout her career as a shield to protect her ex boyfriend from scrutiny of his lifelong hostility to Jews.

by Anonymousreply 181May 28, 2024 6:56 PM

And you taking the piss out of her son's mental health makes you pond life.

by Anonymousreply 182May 28, 2024 6:58 PM

Abbott has repeatedly denigrated the police for their actions yet when was locked in her bathroon with her son banging on the door trying to attack her it was the police who came to her assistance and risked being attacked in the process.

And during the last general election campaign she took legal action to stop reporting of one of her son’s arrests.

by Anonymousreply 183May 28, 2024 7:13 PM

Classic British deflection.

by Anonymousreply 184May 28, 2024 7:42 PM

Abbott has been readmitted to the Labour party -not clear if she will be the election candidate yet, though

by Anonymousreply 185May 28, 2024 8:11 PM

Hideous ‘debate’ about this on Newsnight. Abbott is clearly briefing Victoria Derbyshire who does the ‘but she’s a black woman!’ low expectation excuse. The Labour guy handled the questions as well as anyone could and didn’t snap back ‘why don’t you ask her yourself’.

Abbott has also like a tweet from Jeremy Corbyn’s current wife about Corbyn standing as an independent which is against Labour rules.

Abbott wants to cause maximum trouble for Starmer like she did for Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown and Miliband. It’s her schtick.

by Anonymousreply 186May 28, 2024 9:58 PM

While Abbott swans around sans weave avec turban Labour is taking out the rest of the trash.

The dreadful gay Lloyd Russell Moyle who is a horrid racist and misogynist is unable to stand again - he's the one who said JK Rowling was exploiting being a victim of sexual assault. He's behaved appallingly towards women in the House of Commons. A ginger Jonathan Gullis.

And Islamist Faiza Shaheen is on the cusp of being suspended. Her defeat in 2019 was almost as funny as Laura Piddlecock.

by Anonymousreply 187May 29, 2024 6:39 PM


BBC have moved Question Time forward to 8pm AND it's a cunt double with Nigel Garage AND Piers Morgan but NO Lib Dems or Greens which just isn't on.

by Anonymousreply 188May 30, 2024 7:02 PM

Nigel Garage is back in the room baby!

He's more of a drama queen than Diane Abbott with his will he won't he shenanigans.

by Anonymousreply 189June 3, 2024 3:34 PM

Farage's press conference announcing his run said how dull the campaign was so far, saying he's the man to galvanise the mood. He's a vigorous provocative speaker - if he debates Sunak and Starmer on TV he'll really go for it, seizing his big new spotlight moment. It'll stand him in good stead with his friend and inspiration Trump, whom he's certain will win in November.

by Anonymousreply 190June 3, 2024 4:33 PM

Farage seems most likely to take votes from the Tories.

by Anonymousreply 191June 3, 2024 4:37 PM

[quote]He's a vigorous provocative speaker - if he debates Sunak and Starmer on TV he'll really go for it,

Farage has nothing new to say. People who like his message like his message.

And there will be no opportunity to see Farage spar with Sunak or Starmer. They are doing 3 head to head debates.

There are two debates with representatives from 7 parties (Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, Reform/UKIP, Plaid, SNP) but Sunak and Starmer are stepping down for those. Angela Rayner and Penny Mordaunt will take part for the first one. Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn also skipped those format debates in 2019. Boris sent Rishi Sunak and Corbyn sent the dazzling talents of Rebecca Long Bailey (remember her?) and Richard Burgon.

The choice of Penny Mordaunt could be linked to her being one of the cabinet members at risk of losing her seat.

by Anonymousreply 192June 3, 2024 5:42 PM

Just realised the Clacton constituency has been served by Tory MP Giles Watling, formerly an actor best known for playing the proddy vicar in long forgotten sitcom Bread.

by Anonymousreply 193June 3, 2024 9:07 PM

Farage had a drink thrown on him when he announced his candidacy.

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by Anonymousreply 194June 4, 2024 2:36 PM

The woman who threw it has been arrested. Good. I'd support a short prison sentence for people assaulting politicians, even if they are as repugnant as Farage, Corbyn or Galloway.

by Anonymousreply 195June 4, 2024 3:01 PM

R195 = Priti Patel

by Anonymousreply 196June 4, 2024 3:06 PM

Yeah, I'd condemn female politicians being assaulted as well, be they Priti Patel or Diane Abbott.

by Anonymousreply 197June 4, 2024 3:34 PM

You'd have been lousy when we were all dying with your prissy tone policing, r197. And it's not limited.to this drink-throwing nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 198June 4, 2024 3:37 PM

"When we were all dying"?

WTAF are you on about?

by Anonymousreply 199June 4, 2024 3:41 PM

I rest my case.

by Anonymousreply 200June 4, 2024 4:27 PM

R194 If only there was a good guy with a gun around to stop the drink thrower, he'd still be bone dry.

by Anonymousreply 201June 4, 2024 6:38 PM

Looks like the milkshake thrower was the girlfriend of the Reform Party's Press Officer - recently seen draped over Farage.

It was a publicity stunt.

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by Anonymousreply 202June 4, 2024 6:47 PM

No it wasn't R202. A few Twitter accounts saw a youngish blond woman with big tits and thought it was Emily Hewetson or whatever her name was, something she denied immediately. The tweet you linked to has been deleted.

The woman arrested is an OnlyFans model and looking at the her OF pictures she's a dab hand with the make up brush and filters. Fantastic publicity for her anyhow.

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by Anonymousreply 203June 4, 2024 7:01 PM

Tetchy ratfaced LIAR, Rishi Sunak, busted for leaving 80th D-Day Anniversary commemorations to do a political interview with ITV's Paul Brand.

It's all kicking off. It will be HILARIOUS watching pompous 'Poop Deck' Penny (Mordaunt) having to try and defend this in front of Farage this evening.

Polls yesterday showing Tories sinking to within a point or two of Reform. This could send them under.

by Anonymousreply 204June 7, 2024 5:02 AM

Hilarious that Sunak opted to do some trivial interview rather than remain at such a momentous international occasion. Where Starmer was seen in deep conversation with Zelensky.

Plenty of adverse comment about Sunak's shrill and tetchy manner at Starmer during the TV debate. The PM will never not look like a cocky public schoolboy convinced he knows best.

by Anonymousreply 205June 7, 2024 5:26 AM

And there’s still 27 days to go

by Anonymousreply 206June 7, 2024 6:55 AM

And look who's back bitches!

It's Leicester's finest LGBTQ politician and washing machine enthusiast Keith "you just lost the Keith Vaz game" Vaz.

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by Anonymousreply 207June 7, 2024 10:15 AM

As many people have pointed out, this is the Gillian Duffy moment for Sunak. So totally awks I almost feel sorry for him. Such a stupid and pointless decision.

I had my polling card through today. REMEMBER TO TAKE PHOTO ID.

by Anonymousreply 208June 7, 2024 10:56 AM

I can't believe Sunak thought there was any way this would end well for him. Is he deliberately self-sabotaging? Is he bored of being prime minister? The absolute bare minimum you should be able to expect from the prime minister on the 80th anniversary of D-Day is that they don't leave the commemorations early.

by Anonymousreply 209June 7, 2024 12:24 PM

R116, Sunak should have had the sense to realise that visiting the Titanic Quarter while wearing a lifejacket shortly after announcing a general election he's likely to lose was catnip for meme-makers.

by Anonymousreply 210June 7, 2024 12:26 PM

It is a level of own goal you struggle to comprehend how it happened. Even taking out respect for what those soldiers did. It was the worlds easiest photo op. Royals and world leaders all gathered together in a show of solidarity, unproblematic reminder of Britain's past and role as a world power... And Sunak does a runner.

by Anonymousreply 211June 7, 2024 12:35 PM

[quote]It’s only 14 years

Yes, because there's a huge fucking difference between 14 and 15 to merit an "only". Get the fuck out of here, you dunce.

by Anonymousreply 212June 7, 2024 12:45 PM

It's the sort of decision the recently Convicted Felon would have made, it's that bad. Sunak's apology this morning acknowledges that. The photo of Biden, Macron, Scholz and...Lord Cameron (did he need to make apologies?) won't fade any time soon.

Meanwhile, Nigel Farage has won the lottery for the live TV debate tonight.

by Anonymousreply 213June 7, 2024 1:06 PM

Too rich to give a shit about D-Day-The British Trump

by Anonymousreply 214June 7, 2024 1:46 PM

Tonight’s prediction:

Tories will be attacked by everyone but will focus main attack on Farage.

Main attack on Labour will come from SNP & Plaid & Green. Stephen Flynn will try to being Gaza up as often as possible.

Lib Dems will lay off Labour attacks.

It is pointless having SNP and Plaid there when they’re not standing in seats outside of their own areas.

by Anonymousreply 215June 7, 2024 2:18 PM

Sunak's 'apology' this morning was atrocious. Robotically repeating his rehearsed line in that grating sing-song patrician voice. Drippingt with entitlement and insincerity.

Ad,, of course, that idiotic blow-hard, Johnny Mercer, makes the situation even worse by accusing anyone offended as being guilty of 'faux outrage'. He's the motherfucking Veteran's Affairs Minister...

by Anonymousreply 216June 7, 2024 4:01 PM

Sunak must know he's losing. He probably just wanted to be PM for the prestige of it in his career.

by Anonymousreply 217June 7, 2024 4:20 PM

I can't remember who wrote it but there was an article this week about how both Sunak and Starmer have benefitted from the chaos.

Sunak would ordinarily had a steady progression as a politician but thanks to Tory drama since Brexit he was promoted ahead of schedule and then found himself dealing with Covid. Had Johnson not been so successful in driving the normal Tories out and getting so many to stand down in 2019 Sunak would have been able to build up the experience and had a few government jobs in different departments before taking on the leadership.

And the same with Starmer. He was elected as an MP in 2015 and became leader in 2020. He only got his job in the shadow cabinet because so many others refused to serve under Corbyn. He's clearly a decent guy and a massive improvement to the previous two dickheads who led the party but under Blair he would have had a cabinet role in justice or attorney general. His response to the private healthcare question grated on me. He doesn't have great instincts.

There's a difference between being good at politics and good at governing. Sunak was good at both during Covid but since then has been on the slide. Starmer will be better at governing than he is the politics but with a big majority he may get some time to improve.

by Anonymousreply 218June 7, 2024 4:43 PM

The fucking prick is now laughing at a heckler's joke taking the piss out of 'lazy' GPs.

He is utterly clueless!

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by Anonymousreply 219June 7, 2024 6:24 PM

Oh yes, I forgot to say the men (Flynn and ap Iorwerth) need to be careful how they speak to the women, Rayner and Mordaunt in particular. They're both used to tearing strips of other men and get very pompous and patronising.

Farage won't care if he insults anyone.

by Anonymousreply 220June 7, 2024 6:33 PM

Not keen on Green woman constantly looking down to check her notes when speaking

by Anonymousreply 221June 7, 2024 6:40 PM

Sunak looks like a giant dwarf-out of proportion-hidious. How did DL ever have that thread about how sexy he is and what a big dick he must have. It’s probably mishapen and discolored.

by Anonymousreply 222June 7, 2024 6:52 PM

He’s not had to campaign before given how he became Prime Minister and it shows. He also can’t hide his true colours.

by Anonymousreply 223June 7, 2024 7:46 PM

GPs are enormously overworked and that woman in R219's clip is correct, you struggle to see an actual Dr because they are swamped with patients.

We pay our taxes to keep the NHS afloat and it's gone to hell. You have to book months in advance to see a dentist as well these days.

by Anonymousreply 224June 7, 2024 8:06 PM

That debate was painful. Starmer won’t last long. The Left can’t stand him. We’ll be right back under Tory rule like always before you know it.

by Anonymousreply 225June 7, 2024 8:30 PM

Mordaunt was terrible during the debate: bossy, strident and rude, droning out her tabloid mantras. An apt symbol for her party, ever more deep in failure.

by Anonymousreply 226June 7, 2024 8:31 PM

Let's view my predictions

[quote]Tories will be attacked by everyone but will focus main attack on Farage.

I was wrong - Penny ignored Farage and focused all her fire on Angela

[quote]Main attack on Labour will come from SNP & Plaid & Green. Stephen Flynn will try to being Gaza up as often as possible.

Spot on - Gaza didn't come up but trying to portray Labour as right wing as the Tories is all they have

[quote]Lib Dems will lay off Labour attacks.

I don't think Daisy Daisy criticised Labour once

by Anonymousreply 227June 7, 2024 8:36 PM

You struggle to see an actual doctor because of the centralised, inflexible nature of the NHS, r224. Unfortunately, no UK political party is willing to make the right reforms in this area.

by Anonymousreply 228June 8, 2024 12:29 PM

R228 no doubt that contributes too, mismanagement is rife with so much emphasis on paperwork but there simply aren't enough new doctors to cover the ever-increasing and aging population

by Anonymousreply 229June 8, 2024 12:36 PM

Of course there aren't enough doctors, r229 - who would want to work in that system?

I spend a lot of time in Greece and there I can find any doctor I want, with whatever speciality I want, practically whenever and wherever I want. 50 euros for a first meeting if you don't go via your "personal doctor" (which few people do, because it's a bureaucratic waste of time). The specialist doctor can then give you a referral for further meetings and treatment, which means the Greek NHS pays for it (although the patient may have to pay 1-2 euros for some stuff).

Trying to fund a health system via general tax rather than personal social insurance is never going to work.

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by Anonymousreply 230June 8, 2024 12:46 PM

[quote]Trying to fund a health system via general tax rather than personal social insurance is never going to work.

Funny it worked fairly well for over 60 years til the Conservatives came to power

by Anonymousreply 231June 8, 2024 1:03 PM

[quote]Funny it worked fairly well for over 60 years til the Conservatives came to power

The NHS turned 60 in 2008, so are you saying the NHS worked well between 1979 and 1997 when Thatcher and Major were Prime Minister?

I work in the NHS and it ranges between excellent - my mother had breast cancer a few years ago - and abysmal - I've been trying to get a diagnosis for an issue and the GP referral has been rejected by 3 different departments who insist one of the other departments should deal with it.

The way the NHS is treated as a religion by some politicians is ridiculous. When Wes Streeting pledges to buy X number of private operations for NHS patients on waiting lists he's accused of wanting to privatise the service. No, he's improving the lives of people who can't afford to jump the queue.

I hate the way when anyone suggests reform they're told "OH SO YOU WANT AN AMERICAN STYLE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM DO YOU". No, but I don't think the French, German, Swedish, Israeli, Jamaican, Australian, Canadian health systems are all terrible.

by Anonymousreply 232June 8, 2024 1:45 PM

Exactly when was this period that it worked well, r231? The Conservatives have been in power for most of the NHS's existence, so according to you for most of the NHS's existence it hasn't worked well. And it has problems even when Labour is in power. The problems are structural and conceptual, but, as r232 points out, any attempt to reform it are hysterically responded to "OH SO YOU WANT AN AMERICAN STYLE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM DO YOU", as though no other country has a successful public health system that works differently from that of the UK.

by Anonymousreply 233June 8, 2024 2:10 PM

Starmer is just so boring and has zero charisma. He actually looks terrified when he speaks.

by Anonymousreply 234June 8, 2024 2:26 PM

Labour left the NHS in as good a condition as it's ever been when they left office in 2010.

by Anonymousreply 235June 8, 2024 2:59 PM

The mood of the country is clearly for competence and 'no drama' - Starmer fits the moment.

If you want entertainment, go to the circus.

by Anonymousreply 236June 8, 2024 3:16 PM

R232 don't be obtuse, I clearly meant the last Conservative government since 2010. Before then it was far from perfect but at least waiting lists weren't out of control, you could get a GP appointment without moving mountains and the system wasn't such a bureaucracy riddled with red tape and middle managers

by Anonymousreply 237June 8, 2024 3:35 PM

[quote]Starmer is just so boring and has zero charisma.

This is Farage's line, and he sounds adolescent when he says it. 'Blair without flair' was his would-be zinger last night. Yet Farage also trumpets how Labour has it in the bag, it's only opposition we now need to discuss. And who turned an unelectable party in '19 into one with a commanding lead in '24? Solid capability doesn't need charisma. Pseudo-showbiz values in politics have proved disastrous.

by Anonymousreply 238June 8, 2024 4:11 PM

[quote][R232] don't be obtuse, I clearly meant the last Conservative government since 2010. Before then it was far from perfect but at least waiting lists weren't out of control, you could get a GP appointment without moving mountains and the system wasn't such a bureaucracy riddled with red tape and middle managers

But the narrative was that Thatcher and Major ruined the NHS and brought it to the brink of collapse in a deliberate attempt to privatise it.

Labour massively improved the NHS between 1997 and 2010 but did so with the help of PPI and ruthless targets. The Mid Staffs scandal was entirely predictable.

Between 2001 and 2006 I had regular check ups with the Haematology department at my local hospital. When I started going I would have to go to get my blood taken first which would be a 45-60 minute wait and then wait for my appointment where the chairs were usually broken. I remember one day there was a patient having chemotherapy in the corner of the waiting room sat in an office chair covered in a blanket with the drip next to him, alongside a bucket catching the rain from the leaking roof. I'd generally be out the entire morning and get to work (in another hospital) around 1 or 2pm. By the time I was discharged a brand new Haematology department had been built and it was in and out within an hour. A huge improvement.

by Anonymousreply 239June 8, 2024 4:18 PM

Clement Atlee, the best Prime Minister of the last 100 years IMO, was once described by Thatcher (of all people) as "All substance and no show" as opposed to many politicians of the modern era whom she felt were all style, no substance. On this I agree with her. Boris is a prime example of the latter and look what a shitshow that was.

We don't need an overly charismatic PM, just one who cares about getting the job done to make life better for us and can communicate to a reasonable degree.

by Anonymousreply 240June 8, 2024 4:18 PM

The problem is Starmer can't communicate, r240. I'm yet to hear him communicate a single clear, coherent policy. The only Labour policies I've thus far manage to identify are the ones where they basically admit they're going to maintain a Tory policy exactly as it is and some vague tinkering with bits and bobs, as if ending the VAT "loophole" on private schools is going to fix all the problems of state schools (especially when it could actually make them worse) and the usual stuff about cutting NHS waiting times with some tinkering here and there.

What exactly is Labour's industrial policy, for example, especially at a time where there is a reversal of globalisation and the US, EU and other countries around the world are making great efforts to advance manufacturing, especially in high-tech, specialised but very crucial sectors (e.g. semiconductors)?

The Tories are shit, but that doesn't make Starmer good. I actually think a Labour government under him will be shit. It will be a "positive" just because it's a fresh change, but after a brief honeymoon the challenges will rear their ugly heads again and I don't think Labour has any plan to deal with them or even the skills and intuition to deal with them.

by Anonymousreply 241June 8, 2024 4:47 PM

What's the Conservative's Industrial Strategy, then? I have no idea.

I'm helpfully attaching Labour's.

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by Anonymousreply 242June 8, 2024 4:54 PM

R242, there isn't a single clear strategy point in that 24 pages of wiffle waffle, which is why you just posted a link and couldn't point to any specific policy. That document is just the usual buzz words ("partnerships", "clean energy", "innovation") with the added Brexit buzzwords stolen from the Tories of "world leading" and "global champions". "Making Brexit work" is all Labour's own, and it's bullshit.

Here's a link to 102 pages on the current Tory government's industrial strategy, since you asked.

It's not enough to keep saying the Tories are shit. Labour need to have something to offer other than not being the Tories.

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by Anonymousreply 243June 8, 2024 7:42 PM

Are Tories willing to overlook or forgive Sunak's abrupt, early departure from tge ceremony as American MAGAe did Trump’s absence because he didn't want the humidity to mess with his hair?

by Anonymousreply 244June 8, 2024 7:45 PM

R243 actually, for now, it seems it is enough. Try harder Sunak-lover.

by Anonymousreply 245June 8, 2024 7:46 PM

Starmer's three-point plan for winning this election seems to have been:

1. Show that Labour's changed. 2. Show that the Tories shouldn't be in government anymore. (They essentially did this for him.) 3. Show that Labour's a credible alternative.

1 and 2, done. I am not so sure people are totally bought into 3; Tory fatigue seems to be what's going to propel Labour into government rather than enthusiasm about Starmer or anything Labour's proposing. Tough times ahead for them.

by Anonymousreply 246June 8, 2024 7:47 PM

[quote]Tough times ahead for them.

I’m sure that 25 point lead will just collapse from the formidable campaign Sunak is running. What are you talking about? Once they’re in with a massive majority, they’re in for awhile.

by Anonymousreply 247June 8, 2024 7:56 PM

Labour are being very cautious which is wise seeing what they are inheriting.

Labour are always far more radical in government than anyone expects or remembers.

There isn’t the optimism of 1997 but there is the relief of change.

by Anonymousreply 248June 8, 2024 7:56 PM

Useless Turd Cameron was the start of their trouble

by Anonymousreply 249June 8, 2024 8:00 PM

After the absolute clusterfuck trio of Johnson, Truss and Sunak R246 thinks it's Labour who are heading for 'tough times'.

Who's going to turn things round for the Tories, then? the toxic Braveman? arrogant thundercunt Badenoch? Farage? They have no-one left that appeals to the mainstream voter.

Face it - Labour have positioned themselves on the centre ground. It's going to take more than 1 election cycle for the Tories to be anywhere close to electability. No-one least of Labour, thinks that they're not in for a massive challenge given the absolute state that the Conservatives have left the country in. I'm old enough to remember as far back as the late 70s. This Election has the same vibes as '79 and '97. It's likely that the losing party is going to face a mountain toi climb before they can regain the trust of the electorate.

by Anonymousreply 250June 8, 2024 8:09 PM

R245, pointing out a fact, such as the fact that Labour don't have any clear policies in significant areas doesn't make one a "Sunak lover". It's simply stating a fact, such an indisputable fact that you yourself keep confirming it by your inability to point to a single clear Labour policy. Please state a clear Labour policy (not buzzwords and Tory copying). If you don't, then you are a Sunak lover.

by Anonymousreply 251June 8, 2024 8:29 PM

Amazing batshittery from Rochford and Southend East, a Tory heartland which Labour are targeting hard and will be impacted by Nigel Garage.

The Tory MP stood down after 20 years, there's new Tory candidate and a local councillor campaigning for him tweets.

[quote]Fantastic door knocking sessions today. Message from residents is clear, they are fearful of the increase cost Labour will onflict on them and their families. Great to be with @Gavin_Haran in the constituency talking to residents.

[quote]Is the Labour candidate still in France?

As it happens the Labour candidate IS still in France. The Labour candidate Bayo Alaba served in the Parachute regiment and took part in a parachute jump in 1994 with veterans on the 50th anniversary of D Day and is in France to take part in another parachute jump to raise money for the Royal British Legion and other military charities.

A Labour candidate who served in the paras raising money for the Royal British Legion. Unthinkable 5 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 252June 8, 2024 8:32 PM

R250, I'm not r246 but Labour are in for tough times (just as the Tories were after their apparently landslide win of 2019). By default they will be in for a tough time because the country is in a tough situation. The fact that they have no solutions to any of the country's problems - in fact, don't even seem able to grasp what the country's problems are - means they will also make things tough for themselves.

1979 and 1997 were very different elections as Thatcher and Blair actually presented attractive - and radical - proposals for not just their own voters but for the population in general, proposals that seemed to get to grips with the country's problems. The governments of both changed the country radically, and with policies they had been espousing for years, not something that's "enough for now" a few weeks before they were about to form a government. Starmer and his party, on the other hand, have nothing to say and people are only voting for them because they are the only alternative. Starmer, for example, has a very low favourability rating and is more disliked than he is liked.

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by Anonymousreply 253June 8, 2024 8:45 PM

[quote]Are Tories willing to overlook or forgive Sunak's abrupt, early departure from the ceremony

No, he won't be forgiven. The Tories will just about make the right noises about him for the next few weeks to mitigate humiliation. But come colossal defeat on 5 July, Sunak will avoid the further humiliation of a leadership challenge and resign. Cue many jokes about leaving early again. Mr Perfect will face total public failure for the first time in his life, and retire to spend more time with his bank balance.

by Anonymousreply 254June 8, 2024 8:49 PM

I am R246, and I was a little sloppy with my phrasing, I think. I meant that things will be tough for Labour once they win and are in government. I don't think anyone actually thinks they're going to lose the election at this point. (And I want them to win!) I do think, as R253 says, it's going to be tough going just because of the scale of the problems they're going to inherit from the Tories, and -- unlike 97 -- I don't think there's going to be an extended honeymoon period for Starmer.

by Anonymousreply 255June 8, 2024 8:53 PM

Maybe Princess Anne will drop dead and Starmer will get his Big Blair moment

by Anonymousreply 256June 8, 2024 8:58 PM

We've definitely got Laura Kuenssberg loose in this thread. Tories facing meltdown - possibly struggling to get 25% of the national vote and three figures in terms of numbers of seats, a total split in the party and/or absorption by Reform... but, yeah, it's Labour in trouble post Election.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

by Anonymousreply 257June 8, 2024 9:01 PM

R130- The fact that he's well mannered and well spoken has nothing to do it. Cameron has an upper class background- he is well mannered and well spoken but does not seem the least bit homosexual to me.

by Anonymousreply 258June 8, 2024 9:27 PM

Keir will be the first shaggable PM since Harold Wilson

by Anonymousreply 259June 8, 2024 9:33 PM

Rishi Sunak, hiding from the British electorate today.

Fucking delicious!

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by Anonymousreply 260June 8, 2024 10:12 PM

R257, stop twisting things. No one said Labour will be in trouble after the election, just that it will be tough. And there's nothing unreasonable about voters wanting to know what a party's policies actually are when an election is coming up.

by Anonymousreply 261June 9, 2024 10:37 AM

A friend pointed out today that Ed Miliband has been totally absent from the campaign so far which is odd considering the amount of time spent discussing climate change, green energy and transition away from gas and oil.

I'm hoping Keir shows his ruthless side and gives Miliband a dignified return to the back benches when they win the election. Let him chair a select committee or something.

by Anonymousreply 262June 9, 2024 10:56 AM

Keir never needed to give Miliband any shadow position whatsoever, r262. Miliband doesn't lead any wing of the party that needed to be kept on board. As a failed former leader, Miliband was already living a life on the back benches until Starmer brought him back in. Miliband's only legacy as leader - aside from an election loss - was causing havoc in the party with his superficial decision to open up the leadership vote to anyone who paid 3 quid.

There was no reason or need for Starmer to give Miliband a second life. It was indeed a surprise when Starmer promoted Miliband from the back benches, where he had been during Corbyn's leadership (Corbyn only becoming party leader thanks to Miliband himself). Starmer should have left him there.

by Anonymousreply 263June 9, 2024 12:40 PM

Owen Jones today was speaking at a meeting supporting the Islamist crank Leanne Mohamed who is standing against Wes Streeting in Ilford,

Leanne has never tweeted about gay rights, LGBT or trans issues but has the support of infamous reality tv star Botox Chucky aka India Willoughby.

by Anonymousreply 264June 9, 2024 5:20 PM

How did Rishi decorate the flat above no.10? Did he get rid of Boris and his wife's hideously extravagant decor?

by Anonymousreply 265June 9, 2024 5:57 PM

Everybody's getting into the act.

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by Anonymousreply 266June 9, 2024 6:45 PM

Boris must be loving every minute of this. Sunak teamed up with Sajid Javid to lead the mutiny against him.

by Anonymousreply 267June 9, 2024 6:50 PM

Electoral oblivion = bring back Boris.

by Anonymousreply 268June 9, 2024 7:46 PM

R268 people have such short memories I wouldn't put it past that scumbag to make a return

by Anonymousreply 269June 9, 2024 7:49 PM

He's not standing for election, r269.

by Anonymousreply 270June 9, 2024 8:06 PM

R270 I meant in the next few years as the Tories try to regroup

by Anonymousreply 271June 9, 2024 8:08 PM

He can't be party leader unless he's an MP, r271. He'll have to stand again in 5 years, by which time everything will be very different, both in the Tory party and in the country. He's done with frontline politics.

by Anonymousreply 272June 9, 2024 8:12 PM

Oh my days I watched the Richard Holden interview and cringed so hard I involuntarily tucked. And now there is a longer version of the interview.

At least Labour had the sense to destroy their party in opposition.

by Anonymousreply 273June 9, 2024 8:28 PM

r251 Might be wise to wait for all of the parties to release their manifestos this week before being so definite in your caustic criticism.None of the parties have given full shape to their policies thus far.

by Anonymousreply 274June 10, 2024 2:58 AM

First bit of policy trouble for Labour and it's the none other than Emily Thornberry giving a tv interview in her typical flippant smug style about education policy which Shadow Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson then has to correct.

It won't make much difference to the election result but a reminder of the discipline the party needs in government.

by Anonymousreply 275June 10, 2024 7:34 AM

Sunak this evening will try to re-assert some authority in a one-on-one TV interview.

He's up against dogged terrier Nick Robinson, a stranger to softball. It'll be quite a watch.

by Anonymousreply 276June 10, 2024 7:48 AM

Yes, will be interesting r241, the most significant fact being that Labour are likely to form the next government in a few weeks so need something pretty specific already and we already know what the Tory policies are.

One Labour policy was revealed yesterday, which is actually a policy reversal, abandoning plans to impose a cap on the pensions lifetime allowance, which it had only announced when Jeremy Hunt lifted the cap last year, so Labour will now retain the Tory policy.

by Anonymousreply 277June 10, 2024 8:10 AM

My jaw continues to drop. What the fuck was he thinking?

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by Anonymousreply 278June 12, 2024 7:26 PM

Sky News Leaders' interviews and audience questions tonight. Sunak was laughed at and booed. Consensus afterwards was that the PM was low energy and looked defeated. A snap poll has Starmer winning a 64% approval rate. It feels like a long three weeks till election day.

by Anonymousreply 279June 12, 2024 8:41 PM

Beth Rigby is really underrated. People are dismissive of her because of her accent. After the debate James Cleverly and Wes Streeting were in the "spin room" (ugh) and Wes replied to James's analysis with "sure Jan".

Rigby's interview with Iain Anderson from Stonewall last year was one of the best interviews I've seen. He ended up a red faced sweaty mess and left Stonewall shortly after.

by Anonymousreply 280June 12, 2024 8:48 PM

Starmer was very good at the manifesto launch this morning.

Awful 7 way debate which turned into the Penny vs Angela show again. Stephen Flynn aka Skeletor sounded desperate with blatant lies about Wes Streeting and NHS privatisation.

Totally unpredictable to see who each person picked to ask a specific question. Angela got 4 from the Tories, SNP, Plaid and Green, the parties Labour are taking seats from. Penny was asked questions by Labour, Reform and the Lib Dems, the parties benefitting from the Tory collapse.

Do we really have another 3 weeks to go?

Penny got 3.

by Anonymousreply 281June 13, 2024 9:03 PM

This can't happen soon enough, and still doesn't go far enough. They should dona full review of all of Johnson and Sunak's honours.

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by Anonymousreply 282June 14, 2024 7:35 AM

The 80 year age limit is arbitrary and discriminatory. Lord Alf Dubs has been one of the most prolific campaigners on refugees in recent years and came to the UK as a child from Czechoslovakia via the kindertransport.

The focus needs to be scrapping hereditary peers, those given peerages as rewards for loyalty and who never attend the HoL.

There should be a first step where everyone is made to reapply for membership and state why they want to remain a peer.

by Anonymousreply 283June 14, 2024 8:02 AM

The UK is about to jump out of the frying pan into the fire. God help us.

by Anonymousreply 284June 14, 2024 6:49 PM

Oh bore off R284. The Tories have absolutely squandered the past 14 years - almost nothing in the country is better now than when they came to power.

Under the last Labour government there were many tangible improvements - a functioning NHS with a high patient satisfaction ratings, good GDP growth (2-4%) for the vasty majority of the period, improvements in education and services like Sure Start that improved young people's life chances. I personally wish the Labour Party's offering was less timid but they're hemmed in by the absolute dire state of public finances they're inheriting, and a media landscape that's looking to trip them up at every turn.

by Anonymousreply 285June 14, 2024 7:01 PM

The Blair ministry also got rid of the Thatcher-era Section 28.

by Anonymousreply 286June 14, 2024 8:39 PM

Blair's government scrapped Section 28, equalised the age of consent, brought in employment protections, adoption rights and civil partnerships.

And they don't like to be reminded of it but the Scottish Nationalist Party were very lukewarm about scrapping Section 28, and not just because they were bankrolled by one of Britain's nastiest religious homophobes. In fact it was someone called Nicola Sturgeon who offered a compromise that she would support scrapping Section 28 if schools taught the importance of marriage.

by Anonymousreply 287June 14, 2024 9:06 PM

Labour also introduced compulsory minimum wage, before which employers could pay as little as they wanted

by Anonymousreply 288June 14, 2024 9:13 PM

The BBC are celebrating Pride Month by trying to create an outrage that trans and non binary people will struggle to vote because of the photo ID laws.

2 people interviewed are worried at how election staff might treat them because of their appearance. I've worked in a polling station and no one gives a fuck. Not a fuck.

And of course they could apply for postal votes to save them the trauma of leaving the house.

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by Anonymousreply 289June 15, 2024 7:21 PM

[quote] they did not know of a free option.

I've not been able to turn on tv or go on a streaming site with adverts for a month without seeing someone tell me about the free government voter ID card at least once.

by Anonymousreply 290June 15, 2024 7:41 PM

The Good Law Grift Project tried to mount a legal action against the government's transphobic photo ID law. They lost and were made to pay costs and the response from the government department was to send Good Law Grift Project a link to the website where "Alice" can complete her photo ID exemption form, or apply for a postal vote.

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by Anonymousreply 291June 15, 2024 8:14 PM

The Survation mapping poll is making headlines but has some real oddities.

Islington North has Labour on 52% and "Other" on 12% meaning Saint Jeremy Of The Cranks and all the assorted nut jobs are doing very badly.

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by Anonymousreply 292June 15, 2024 8:16 PM

Speaking of Saint Jeremy his third wife has written a heartwarming comment piece explaining why she is voting for her husband.

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by Anonymousreply 293June 15, 2024 9:22 PM

R293 "Almost up to the door of no.10" is a bit of a stretch. With him as leader Labour had it's poorest showing in years; he was a lousy leader.

by Anonymousreply 294June 15, 2024 9:28 PM

I really should get a case of champagne for the lead-up to this one.

by Anonymousreply 295June 15, 2024 9:56 PM

R287 forgot that little Iraq war thing.

by Anonymousreply 296June 15, 2024 11:08 PM

If anyone wants to see the state of the far left wing in UK politics this photo sums up everything.

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by Anonymousreply 297June 16, 2024 8:04 AM

Good to see Owen Jones, the most opinionated and “holier-than-thou” anti-pragmatist and anti-Starmer purist, proudly wearing his New Balance trainers.

by Anonymousreply 298June 16, 2024 8:46 AM

Owen Jones actively supporting you is usually the kiss of death for anyone's electoral hopes. Historically he's got a fascinating ability to always back the losing side.

by Anonymousreply 299June 16, 2024 9:06 AM

If Carla Deyner loses in Bristol Central she can blame herself by letting Owen campaign for her.

I find it curious that there is nothing online about where the quite posh Denyer went to school which makes me think she is embarrassed about going to private school.

by Anonymousreply 300June 16, 2024 9:13 AM

Who is Owen Jones supporting now? He made a pompous and very MARY speech about withdrawing his support for Labour a few weeks ago?

by Anonymousreply 301June 16, 2024 9:15 AM

Owen Jones is supporting:

1. Green Party leader Carla Denyer, standing in Bristol Central where Labour have a significant majority but with redefined boundaries. No idea how the vote will go here but I'd say Labour have advantage.

2. Disgraced former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, standing as an independent - reports that the campaign is going badly and people are more loyal to the party than they are the man who has been their MP for 40 years.

3. Islamist Leanne Mohamed, standing against Labour's Wes Streeting in Ilford - Mohamed will be lucky to get a few thousand votes.

4. Suspended Labour member Faiza Shaheen, standing as an independent in Chingford and Woodford Green - Labour came close to winning the seat ifrom the Tories n the last two elections and Shaheen splitting the vote could mean former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith is returned as MP.

by Anonymousreply 302June 16, 2024 10:48 AM

Incidentally the 4 Labour candidates Owen Jones is campaigning against consist of 2 British Asian women, 1 British Asian man and a gay man.

by Anonymousreply 303June 16, 2024 11:01 AM

[quote]In fact it was someone called Nicola Sturgeon who offered a compromise that she would support scrapping Section 28 if schools taught the importance of marriage.

She's a big believer in marriage.

by Anonymousreply 304June 16, 2024 4:11 PM

Nicola Sturgeon supports gay marriage. That's why she married a gay LOL PMSL ROFL

by Anonymousreply 305June 16, 2024 4:26 PM

There was a video shared over the weekend of Sturgeon and Scottish MP David Linden campaigning outside a mosque in Glasgow.

The SNP leaflet unfolded into a Palestine flag with an SNP message and the candidate literature featured a photo of Linden running the London marathon to raise money for a Palestinian charity. Pure sectarianism.

by Anonymousreply 306June 16, 2024 4:40 PM

Labour maintains its lead though it has declined a bit. The Conservatives continue their slide into possible irrelevancy. Reform is gaining on the Tories.

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by Anonymousreply 307June 17, 2024 5:40 AM

A polling guru observed on the BBC yesterday that The Tories' current poll numbers were their lowest ever since records began. Hence the front page story in today's 'Times' reporting that Sunak is being urged to 'go for the jugular' - engage in direct personal attacks on Starmer. I'm fairly sure Sunak trying to unleash his inner Trump would backfire, but let's see.

by Anonymousreply 308June 17, 2024 6:58 AM

I'm still not convinced the Canada style event will happen for the Tories. Yes they will go well under 200 seats but double figures?

FPTP generates real oddities such as the Lib Dems only getting 9% of seats on a 23% vote share in 2010 and the SNP winning 95% of seats on a 50% share in 2015.

Labour will win 1997/2001 big but some of the hype around the Tories reminds me of the talk around Labour's expected destruction in 2017 which was delayed by 2 years.

by Anonymousreply 309June 17, 2024 7:43 AM

Corbynites going mad today because there was a photo of Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner watching the England match with comedians Matt Forde and Jon Richardson.

This old clip of Richardson on Have I Got News For You has been shared with evidence of what scum he is. To most normal people Richardson is absolutely right with his judgment and delivers it perfectly.

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by Anonymousreply 310June 17, 2024 3:35 PM

That's much tamer than I was expecting, R310. Everything Richardson says there is accurate. Corbyn was a gift to the Tories: a Labour leader who never showed any real interest in being elected.

by Anonymousreply 311June 17, 2024 10:09 PM

What are people’s plans for when Labour are in government in a couple of weeks?

Celebrate? Hide your money? Leave the country?

by Anonymousreply 312June 18, 2024 5:56 AM

When I think of Labour's position, I think of Mara Hobel as young Christina Crawford, covered in Bon Ami powdered cleaner, being told by the Tory Faye Dunaway to "CLEAN UP THIS MESS!"

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