Poor Hugh Grosvenor

He's Hugh Westminster.

How do you pronounce his name ? growrnrrrr?

Groves-ner.

Jesus H, what’s going on with that inseam?

Imagine inheriting that kind of wealth at 25.

It's never been clear to me whether Grosvenor is actively involved in running the various family businesses or whether he just sits back and spends the money.

Various articles make it sound like he's an active executive and manager in his family's holdings. But, that could just be PR spin.

He has a degree in "countryside management" so he may very well a hand in it. His Wiki said he went work for a family company.

Does he have a reputation for being a louche layabout like Harry?

WE WERE INVITED BUT WE DECLINED!

[quote] WE WERE INVITED BUT WE DECLINED!

You're being an asshole.

Hugh is actually still close to Harry.

I really admire him, because he hasn't taken sides in the brotherly dispute.

From the Tatler:

[quote] 'Hugh is one of very few close friends of William's and Harry's who has maintained strong bonds and a line of communication with both. He wishes they could put their heads together and patch things up, but realises it's unlikely to happen before the wedding.'

The nice thing about Grosvenor is that he has more money than William and Harry put together.

So he is beholden to neither.

Which means he can still be friends with both.

My guess is that Harry decided to sit this one out, so as not to create unnecessary drama at the wedding.

It's Hugh's big day.

Why isn’t the wedding on the weekend?

Who are these people?

Dear R11,

Hugh Grosvenor is one of the richest people in the UK, very handsome, and only in his 20's.

That's all you need to know.

Grosvenor is pronounced "Grove-ner."

[quote]Hugh Grosvenor is one of the richest people in the UK, very handsome, and only in his 20's.

That and he's 33 years old.

Very handsome is quite a stretch.

But all that money does a lot.

Fucking hell, why are they off the Cheshire to live?

The family seat is one of the saddest stories of the fall of empire as realized in English domestic architecture.

Eaton Hall: BEFORE (1870-1882)

Eaton Hall: AFTER (1960)

For a many who could live anywhere, why would he choose this dump?

It's a disgrace, indeed, r16.

That doesn’t look remotely like the same building. Was the old building torn down completely? If I had his money I’d work on a restoration.

Eaton Hall must be the ugliest stately in the country. It looks like a fusion of brutalist and French chateau.

William is jealous of that hair.

Harry was not invited as he and the missus would make the event into a circus much as they did the van Straubenzee wedding. Add to that, none of the other guests in those circles would want to be in proximity of those two. Easy choice.

OP and Yahoo lost me at “Princess Kate Middleton”. How hard can it be to get someone’s name and title right FFS?

R18, right, the old house was demolished. The massing of the new house is a little similar at first glance, but very little or none of the old structure was incorporated into the replacement.

Aside from High Victorian Gothic having fallen into disgrace in 1960, it's said there were some structural problems that precluded a remodeling - or maybe it was just a justification to start anew.

But what an anew, R19's description is right on target - with a hint of 1950s Swiss ski resort hotel mixed in.

Eaton Hall looked worse initially... a couple of posts about the history of the house. It was a God awful Victorian monstrosity representing the excess of that age, followed by an even worse than now modern replacement, which was eventually refaced to what you see today.

The previous "improvement."

The Victorian version looks like a legislature.

R23 - Well at least it's not one of this mid-century monstrosities that resemble a concrete cube. Or worse...

[quote] Add to that, none of the other guests in those circles would want to be in proximity of those two. Easy choice.

I don't disagree with this. We're all speculating but I happen to think you're correct that the Sussexes were not invited.

I'm expanding to a bigger picture by asking, in any public or private social environment, wouldn't indifference to their presence actually be the deeper blow to them?

Isn't their entire "brand" built on attention?

I suspect Hugh Grosvenor has quite a small penis- even when fully erect.

You have to wonder if Harry misses anything about his old life, before Meghan (BM.) Maybe he really is of such limited intellect that this California lifestyle of nursing his grievances is enough for him. It's very Duke of Windsor. Except they filled the hours as socialites, whether it was or it wasn't an empty existence. At least there was something to do. I can't imagine she's going to get any easier to live with as her great plans continue to fail or amount to nothing. The money is surely going to get tighter? The children will grow up and go their own way. What's going to be left?

I don't quite get these calls to forgive and forget. He betrayed them all for money, which you might, somehow, get past, but now you can't trust him. She's surely squirrelling away all her secrets for the divorce, to either auction to whoever is king or to publish for a fat advance that will see her out in some style. Love them or loathe them, who could honestly argue they can be trusted in private life? As we all know:

Unable to swim, a scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid that the scorpion might sting it, but the scorpion promises not to, pointing out that it would drown if it killed the frog in the middle of the river. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees. Midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies: "I am sorry, but I couldn't resist the urge. It's in my nature."

R29, even if he does there are compensations.

[quote] How do you pronounce his name ? growrnrrrr?

GROVE-ner

[quote]Why isn’t the wedding on the weekend?

What's a weekend?

Eaton Hall is such an abomination. Chateau meets Tesco, indeed. It’s American shopping mall architecture.

I agree, R28. If I had to guess, most of that crowd are indifferent to him at this point. Harry's non-attendance to the wedding was announced quite some time ago, most likely a strategic move by Grosvenor to prevent the lead up to the event becoming an endless "will they, won't they?" press articles such as happened for Jubilee and the Coronation. It has mostly worked except now that the wedding date is fast approaching. The article Op linked is from US Weekly, a Sussex-friendly publication. I think these latest articles are Harry and Meghan trying to gin up press and, as always, associate their names with the royals and the aristos for SEO purposes.

[quote] I think these latest articles are Harry and Meghan trying to gin up press and, as always, associate their names with the royals and the aristos for SEO purposes.

Curse their nefarious stranglehold on all media!

SEO?

I suspect it means Self Enrichment Opportunities.

Search Engine Optimization. It's various PR mechanisms to bolster or repair the rep of a person (as opposed to a corporation, which engages in a different type of SEO.) Pushing out PR - even if negative - to ensure the person's profile meets certain engagement numbers. Or, posting articles that mention another famous person thereby taking advantage of that person's fan base and associating them with another person or group. That's why Harry and Meghan's PR and their hired online goons continually bring up the royals or things such as this wedding because it has the overall effect of making them seem within that realm even though they left years ago. Another trick is to paper over embarrassing stories with either a deluge of PR to dilute the bad effects or to re-associate something bad with something good. For example, if a celebrity makes a fool out of themselves in Miami, you set up another, more positive photo op in Miami, Then, every time someone Googles XYZ celebrity and Miami, they'll get the newer, more positive story at the top of their search engine results. The whole goal is to keep that person's name circulating, keep it at the top of search engine results, etc.

What was wrong with Victorian Gothic?

Seriously, the couple getting married didn't want anything said/done (or not said/done) at the wedding to end up in one of Harry's TV interviews.

Heir to the throne attending your wedding is nothing to sniff at.

Yeah R41 but it's only William.

He's boring.

[quote] What was wrong with Victorian Gothic?

It was much too big to ever be anything more than a white elephant, but then when the Grosvenors discovered it had extensive dry rot as well throughout the entire house, they had it pulled down.

[quote] Prince William is the only senior royal expected to be in attendance at Hugh Grosvenor's wedding to Olivia Henson next month, according to HELLO!

Now how will I sleep tonight?

British aristocracy must be shook!

It is sort of a slap in the face.

As a duke, he's among the higher ranking nobility. He's worth $12.7B, making him among the wealthiest people in the UK and the wealthiest aristocrat.

He's actually probably the highest on the social totem pole, except for the royal family (yes, there are 24 non-royal dukes and several of them are technically higher ranking, but he's by far the wealthiest and the other wealthy aristocrats are earls and viscounts).

Prince George can't miss one day of school? That's odd.

Doesn't George have governesses, nannies, valets and such to catch him up on one day's worth of schoolwork?

Or can't sister Charlotte just stop by and get his assignments from his homeroom teacher on her way home? Do they have "homeroom" in the UK or what is called there?

I'm sure George could miss one day of school, but I would guess his parents don't want to take him out for a Duke's wedding because it would make him look ridiculous in front of the other students, and also because his presence is not in any way needed at the wedding. Finally, ten-year-olds don't usually enjoy weddings anyway.

And then, R43, they replaced it with an ugly modernist building designed by the brother in law of Grosvernor. At least it was honest. Trying to correct that mistake with a Tesco facade led to the current abomination accentuated by the Victorian chapel.

Modernist Eaton Hall

The modernist Eaton Hall was not so bad. It has a bit of Le Corbusier. And of Clockwork Orange. But it must have fit into the landscape like an eyesore, especially with that Victorian train station of a chapel next door.

I don't understand the trousers he's wearing in OP's picture.

He went to Mostyn House and then Ellsmere. How does a young aristo get to explore his sexuality these days if they don't get to attend Eton or Harrow?

Poor Hugh Grosvenor? I don't think so...

All the sugars fussing over this ugly twat? Wishing they were Megs, in her red Caroline Herrera gown replete with backfat?

The wedding is on.

What I want to know is, who's the hot daddy escorting the bride because he looks at bit hot to be her father.

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And what do we think of. the blue velvet shoes?

R58, I noticed those and I'm not quite sure!

Hugh is definitely following Will's playbook, as a member of the nobility should I suppose. Even the Jordanian royals are following the western ones with later marriages and presumably fewer kids.

Eugenie’s dress is incredibly ugly.

Free ice cream for everyone. That’s a nice gesture, the Duke is picking up the tab.

Blossom Rock and her fat wingwomon tried to bring a little Just Stop Oil to the proceedings.

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The bride is a rough 31.

I don't give a fuck, do Hugh?

r64 In previous eras a women looking like that turning up at a nobleman's wedding and conjuring orange smoke would usually end with a celebratory witch burning.

I didn't think Hugenie looked that bad. She could use a bra consultant, however.

I kind of wish Harry and Meghan had been invited, if only see what kind of hideous concoction Meg would show up in, and what antics she would pull to take attention away from the bride.

she's not even pretty. he's kinda cute for an English man

I wouldn't mind giving that policeman to the right in R64 a bit of oral pleasure on the big day

Very low bar R70. He’s too cheap to get a decent haircut?

Eugenie is wearing the same color Meghan wore to Louis's christening right after their wedding.

I'm reading a book about the last Hugh Grosvenor to be Duke of Westminster, the 2nd Duke, though he was known as Bendor, nicknamed after his Grandfather, the first Duke's winning racehorse Bend'or. No word on if Bendor was hung like the racehorse as well.

In England, only the horses and the traitors are well-hung.

I love the simplicity of her dress and tiara (though I would have been very tempted to choose the Westminster tiara). The dress drapes so well. It looks like the bride may have chose to take the Mamie Eisenhower approach to foundations, though. Picture in following post.

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[quote] …a member of the nobility should I suppose.

The aristocracy R60, NOT the nobility.

The nobility, from dukedoms through to viscountcies, on the basis the sovereign ennobled the holder when the peerage was granted and the title awarded. Royalty ranks apart and above nobility and aristocracy, which apparently, does not go without saying. But I won't tell you again.

I liked the wedding gown, too. I thought the bare cut-out on the back was a subtle surprise but still entirely appropriate.

My only nit-pick is that I thought it could have been slightly altered for just a slightly closer fit.

At first glance, it looks a bit large for her frame.

Why is he getting married on a week day? I know 99% of his social circle don’t worry about vacation time, but it’s still a weird choice. Not like any church would deny him the date he and his bride want.

I need to correct myself, a Baronage is a member of the nobility. It's the Baronetcies you could buy on the street corner.

Isobel Crawley was pinching me when I posted that.

I don't find the wedding gown attractive. Too plain and Victorian night gownish. Would have rather seen a nice neckline than the back cut out which was odd.

Eugenie's dress not flattering and the hat was so mumsy.

R21 Meghan was not amused or a fan of William and Harry’s Tory friends and their love/amusement of Trump. She made that known (good for her!) which was another sore spot in her frayed relationship with William.

So, I doubt he would want Meghan at his wedding. I doubt Meghan would care to be amongst a bunch of rich, white, conservative, assholes. It’s be like a liberal caring about an invite to a Murdock wedding. Just because they are rich and powerful, doesn’t mean they are good company.

R30, you assume there is anything all that intellectual or interesting about being a royal and senior noble. These people are no better or different than the folks sitting around at top tier country clubs. Same narrow lifestyles, same narrow focus on money and fucking. You can get all of that in CA.

But what Harry has now compared to any other time in his life is freedom. He is financially independent, not living off of only daddy’s allowances and rules. He’s also free to do what he wants without public scrutiny of his “workload”.

From his POV I can see why CA is like a breath of fresh air. He may not be a working royal or invited to old events, but he’s also able to build his own life.

Every expect misses home, so I’m sure there are loads of things he misses about home.

William always looks stressed and trapped. That’s the one that probably hates it all but knows he can’t leave. Meanwhile, Harry is in submitted SoCa doing whatever he wants day in and day out.

As an American I’d choose millions + freedom over billions, a gilded cage, and invites to stuffy Astro events.

Expat*

Thoughts & Prayers!

R85, the only one you're fooling is yourself. I admit, you're a bit more subtle than the other monkeys, but we can see the wings nonetheless.

R69 I’ve seen Megan in some fits that were the wrong size or tailoring but rarely is she in something hideous. Her style is very consistent and rarely bold enough to be hideous.

Also, it's aristo. But, hey, you like, do you, dude.

Back fat fits are hideous.

Not knowing to cut the vent stitch is hideous.

Getting your costumes rebuked by the First Lady of Nigeria is hideous.

R88 fooling myself how?

I addressed the value in Harry’s financial and personal freedom in CA compared to the Uk.

I addressed that William always looks pissed off and barely does royal events, despite being a senior royal.

I addressed that Harry would miss loads of things from home.

Finally, I noted that rich conservatives don’t make for great company. Guys like this Duke, are not aspirational friends. Yes, he’s wealthy and titled, but he’d be just as toxic as a wealthy conservative in America. Trust me, most of them are assholes.

No one needs to be impressed by this fugly billionaire nepo-Noble. Before anyone starts, I know that Prince Harry and Prince William aren’t much better looking.

[quote]Finally, I noted that rich conservatives don’t make for great company.

You don't know anything about these people, except what you make up.

William does not look pissed off in any of those pictures. You see what you want to see.

Harry's fortune comes from his dead mother and selling out his relatives.

Fooling yourself that way. You're going on block. You're so tedious. Go back to Celebitchy and get your cyber high fives from your gang. Fugly. God, you're basic.

Agree, R80. I wonder if the bride has lost some weight in the last few weeks since the last fitting? The looseness around the torso makes the whole thing look a bit cheap.

Her hairstyle is unfortunate, too. She looked much younger in her engagement pic. It's too severe and highlights her undereye wrinkles. The stylist should have given her a softer updo to frame her face.

R91, if the fist lady of Nigeria suddenly a fashion icon worse opinion is somehow elevated by her husband’s title? I wouldn’t let Jill Biden, Melania, Michelle, or Laura Bush dictate fashion over here.

Sure, a dress might not fit right but I didn’t see anything hideous on that tour from Meghan. Kate has also had glaring misses on tours. It happens, it sucks, but no one is perfect.

Who’s*

R93 Williams friends are notoriously Tori’s. Wealthy, white, and pro-monarchy/nobility. They are Tori’s dear.

I didn’t say William looks pissed at weddings and soccer matches. He does look detached and “going through the motions” at events. That man does not care about this royalty stuff, but the stage is set and he has no other options.

Unlike his father, who threw himself into royal work, William retreats from the job as much as possible.

But this is supposed to be about this fugly Duke’s wedding to his plane rich Jane. Happy to keep talking about William and Harry or the Duke. It’s all entertainment so let’s go!

[quote] Meghan was not amused or a fan of William and Harry’s Tory friends and their love/amusement of Trump. She made that known (good for her!) which was another sore spot in her frayed relationship with William.

r84, you're attempting to have us infer that William is a Trump fan. That your words imply that he is, isn't evidence of that. If you post some evidence, I'll give it a fair look.

I read a report of what you're saying, perhaps by Tina Brown, about her run-ins with William and Harry's set at one of their weekend parties.

I've got no problem with Markle speaking her mind around them. Good for her. But I don't buy what you're trying to sell with regard to William being a Trump fan.

William and Catherine pointedly and warmly brought the Obamas to their Kensington Palace flat. They published pictures of the Obamas meeting a tiny, berobed George, the future king. William pointedly and publicly met with Biden when he came to the U.S. He gave the Trumps no time of day except for brief, diplomatic pleasantries at a state dinner. The royals are all about quiet statements and muted symbolism and William's embrace of the Obamas and Biden speak volumes including his vocal support of Ukraine.

I suppose this is the latest attempt by the deranged Sussex squad to malign William.

Does this really need to be another Sussex/Wales thread?

R89, nearly everything Meghan wore in Nigeria was hideous. Ill-fitting, inappropriate and downright ugly IS her style.

R97 I think the word you are looking for is “Tories”. Not friends who belong to someone called Tori.

No—they were referring to friends being Tori Spellings’s friends. Duh.

R103 great burn. You really got me. You can’t spell either. “Tori Spellings’ friends”. Duh.

Unlike an earlier Royal wedding, one assumes the bride and groom at the Grosvenor “do” yesterday knew the guests BEFORE the wedding and didn’t meet them there for the first time.

R104 s’ and s’s are both grammatically correct. Duh.

Well done, R85! I was wondering when “as an American” would make an appearance.

Duh... just figured it out... the shoes were her something blue.

[quote]William always looks stressed and trapped. That’s the one that probably hates it all but knows he can’t leave.

Unlike Her Majesty, he never promised anyone he would spend his whole life in service, so give me fifteen years and he can step aside.

[QUOTE]the fist lady of Nigeria suddenly a fashion icon worse opinion is somehow elevated by her husband’s title?

[QUOTE]Sure, a dress might not fit right but I didn’t see anything hideous on that tour from Meghan.

The Nigerian First Lady was not referring to the fit or aesthetics of her wardrobe, but Meghan's cultural insensitivity despite her "I'm 49% Nigerian. I see myself in you." utterances. Meghan only needed to look around the room (or preferably had studied Nigerian women's career dress choices before the trip) to notice she was the only one showing so much skin.

It's just disrespectful of the culture she's supposedly touting. And some of the clothes were too form fitting Thinking specifically of the red tank dress worn without a bra. Her stomach stuck out more prominently than her bust. Maybe she thought Nigerian women need a "freeing" fashion role model and she's just the person to fill the role. She *is* that grandiose.

I thought it was the Nigerian perception of immodesty, given the sleeveless styles etc.

She could have easily requested, worn, and promoted clothing from Nigerian fashion designers. But that would have been thoughtful, which Duchess Do-Nothing definitely is not.

Butchering fellow Nigerians and plundering oil revenues is OK, but going sleeveless is a sin. A sin!

Meghan butchered her fellow Nigerians?

And if the dud duo is plundering oil revenue, why do they need Charles’ money?

[quote] Hugh Grosvenor is one of the richest people in the UK,

That’s not saying much.

[quote]very handsome, and only in his 20's.

He looks like a lesbian. Pass.

Nigerian, you say?

Let's hope the new Duchess can pop out a few sons to shore up the title. Otherwise it goes extinct when Hugh does.

£9.48 billion is small change to R116, apparently.

Olivia is too thin but her dress, veil and tiara are lovely and they both look very happy and in love.

Princess Eugenie looks very nice.

R121 saggy tits

Look, darling, look at what Patsy's saying about Princess Eugenie's tits, darling. Go much lower and Michelle Obama's going to have to tweet an affirmation.

Wasn't this all figured out, eventually, with Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, figuring all BLACK roles, even when it/she battled a true Marchioness?

R123 Hahahaha cheers darling

[quote] You have to wonder if Harry misses anything about his old life, before Meghan (BM.) Maybe he really is of such limited intellect that this California lifestyle of nursing his grievances is enough for him

I think he misses the socialising at parties with his friends and big family Christmases, and being on better terms with his father. As for the rest, probably not.

The bride and groom seriously look like they are brother and sister.

Don't argue with the halfwit at r84, r85, etc. Just block them. Not because they're a sugar, but because they are unutterably stupid.

If Harry wanted to be on better terms with his father, perhaps he shouldn't have trashed his stepmother and allowed his sock puppet Scabies to label his father a racist. Harry has the reasoning ability of a two-year old who thinks actions have no consequences.

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Sorry, the above link at r130 is about Earl Spencer divorcing his 3rd wife. There wasn't a current royal thread to post this in.

She was American or Canadian and apparently caused strife between him and his older children.

That guy... I know he was a victim of sexual abuse and he comes from the chaotic Spencer family... but man... he's got seven kids from three wives... he's... a character.

Harry must miss his friends he’s known all his life, the easy familiarity. There’s also an element of trust, knowing they wouldn’t run off to the tabloids behind his back. In Hollywood, everyone is out for themselves, it’s just the nature of the business. Also for the first time, he’s dealing with money issues, having to actually earn it vs periodic refills from Dad. Living with Megs can’t be easy. Really, the good part, the only good part is his kids.

Montecito is not Hollywood. And what would someone run to the tabloids with. They aren’t doing anything particularly interesting or cause for comment. Paparazzi don’t hang out at local farmer’s market or the UCSB soccer pitch.

Not unless they're called, first.

You mean the kids that are never seen?

To R30.....Thank You for the "Scorpion and the Frog fable reference".

I used this story a million times in work to explain to co-workers my actions on the stock exchange floor in the late 1980's.

I lost lots of "so-called friends" by being the scorpion; turns out they were not real friends.

Doesn’t the boy go to preschool? I’m surprised nothing has leaked about that. No invites to birthday parties?

You sound childish, r138. Please tell us more.

Worst-fitting trousers ever! Bespoke should have been bemute!

If the child does get invites, they aren't from the "right" people, because Meghan would PR the shit out of that. Of course, she isn't above lying, as she claimed Katy Perry was at Lillibet's birthday party when Katy Perry was in Cannes.

r107 this is an American website, of course we will enter into these DL discussions. Don't like it, make up your British version of DL. Till then, sit on a dick and get over yourself.

r112 Megan did wear a Nigerian designers clothes on the tour for at least one of the major events, lol. You guys are obsessed with hating her.

Yeah, she wore one skirt, which coincidentally, is the best she looked on the whole trip. The rest was her usual lineup of messy, ill-fitting and inappropriate designer muck.

Okay, so as I said, she did were a local designer so stop trying to call her out on something she actually did. Wearing local designers isn't even a requirement or even done on most royal tours, so if it's not a requirement for working royals, why make it an expectation for a person doing a business trip?

The whole trip was curated by her team to give the impression of a royal tour, don't be ridiculous to even suggest it was a 'business trip'; it was nothing but an attempt to stay in the media by dropping as much long-stale royal fairy dust they could conjure up. In Nigeria of all places.

“Sit on a dick and get over yourself” - you certainly are American, R142.

Well, r146, Meghan DID get Harry's attention by having shown interest in Africa, emphasis on "shown."

I think Meghan, like Catherine, strategized for the long game, and won her Windsor, now Sussex.

R145 apparently because the wife of the murderous, oil revenue-stealing Nigerian president said so…

I've never seen a business trip get that much promotion.

Gee, because she made a huge production about being 43% Nigerian and it being HER country.

[QUOTE]I think Meghan, like Catherine, strategized for the long game, and won her Windsor

Why are you trying to make her out as successful? What are the results of the Sussexes success?

Not R148, but bagging Harry has made Meghan more famous than she could have ever managed on her own, R152. That is a success of sorts if you don't factor in how many people who now know of Meghan revile her or, worse, are completely apathetic to her. As personality-disordered as she is, all Meghan may care about is achieving a high level of fame regardless if it is for notoriety and not for positive regard.

She got Prince Harry. I was referring to nothing else, r152, nor do my words imply so.

But since you asked: By many standards, Meghan's lifestyle rises above the norm, and certainly beyond what acting would have afforded her. Indeed, she need not dance at all to anyone else's tune.

Her two children are royal.

As for her charities and jams, whatever.

Ultimately, of course, Dimwit burnt their bridges.

Even with the money and fame, Harry is still no prize. Remember when he talked about genetic pain instead of generational pain? Called the First Amendment bonkers? Bragged about teasing a disabled matron at his prep school? Discussed his dick being frozen? Claimed that the opponents he killed at war were chess pieces, when he'd barely left his gaming device/bunker?

Ughh. No thanks.

Why doesn't Harry know he's a mother fucking cunt? Surely, there's a precedent?

None are so blind, R156, as those who will not see.

I assume he doesn’t know he’s a mofo cunt. He’s married to a woman who’s one but she seems to revel in it while he seems both entitled and clueless. Born that way, I assume.

R136

The happiest I’ve ever seen Harry was when he was working with Sentebale in Africa. He was clearly blissful and I assumed he would move down there and live happily ever after.

The Sentebale days were the days when he hung out with Adam Bidwell. The two were so close that there were rumors at the time they were in a relationship. Then came Meghan. I wonder if one of Harry's issues is that he is bi and feels he cannot come out of the closet? All I know is that Adam is rarely mentioned now as being part of his circle in the way others, such as the Stauba-whatevers and the van Cutsems are.

Turns out, I've met someone who was a part of Harry's inner circle: Charlie Vivian. He does financial PR and we hired the company he worked for at one point through a sad, tired network of who knows who. Didn't get much of an impression of him. He did, in retrospect, that aristocratic thing of not boasting or even talking about it. I had no idea or I would have tried to pry gossip out of him though was years before Harry was an adult. There's quite an age spread, Vivian is late fifties. Formally he's Charles Crespigny Hussey Vivian, 7th Baron Vivian. So there's your trivia for today.

Allegedly Hugh was one of the rich British men Meghan tried to be setup with before meeting Prince Harry. He was not interested given she is a decade older than him.

No, R161, Vivian is 16 years older than her. He’s 58, she’s 42.

R159 you surface occasionally on these threads pushing your Adam Bidwell fantasy. The only rumors being spread about it are by you. Do you tug on your tiny penis with one hand while posting your sad little obsession with the other?

Ooh, hit a nerve did we, R163? Why so bothered?

Harry just likes to pinch other men's nipples for fun, You know, good, heterosexual fun. Nothing to see here, folks.

More fun.

I thought Markle took a run at Hugh, not Vivian.

[QUOTE]No, [R161], Vivian is 16 years older than her. He’s 58, she’s 42.

Are you trying to take our Vivian Vance Vance meme to an extreme? Otherwise I have no idea who you're talking about. Including your "math."

Poor Hugh Grosvenor?

He's young, nice-looking, filthy rich, and just got married....

What's poor about his life?

R162 Rose, Hugh was born in 1991, Meghan in 1980. Take minute, use a pencil.

To the left, to the left Harry.

Harry is so ugly at r160.

To be ugly when happy takes some doing.

Wow, looking at the picture at R160 of Harry and all of his mates at his wedding is incredible. He doesn't have any of that in his life anymore. It's shocking how his relationship with MM seems to have completely nuked his former life. I don't blame her specifically, I think both Harry and Meghan have played a hand in him ending up as isolated as he is now (him: Spare, her: well, she nukes everyone out of her life eventually it seems), but I do wonder if he has any regrets.

The reporters at Yahoo love Dimbo, even if most of their commenters hate him.

Poor little Harry!

I know Yahoo and all the mainstream gossip purveyors oftentimes pull stuff outta their ass and run with it and I have enough sense to perceive it that way and weigh credibility.

I do, however, think there at be something to that Yahoo story at r174.

To the extent that IF Harry has done some maturing in perspective, along with aging, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s realizing he may have cut off his nose to spite his face.

He knows the “We are family” train left without him.

You wonder if he remembers waving it out of the station.

Well, duh. If you're posh in Britain, who are you going to side with: the royal family or the runaway trainwrecks?

Never, r175. It will always be someone else's fault to him.

Yahoo has long been on the side if the Harkles. Especially the crappy line about how he only did what he did to "protect his family"...boo fucking hoo. Protect them from what? He's reframed Diana's demise as being about her chased to death by the press for daring to be "with someone who wasn't white". Hey, Harry: I have a "Bitch, please" for you.

He's mentally incapable of understanding what he's done. Narcissists always play the victim. He expected ERII to at least make it to 100 and protect him for a few more years. He probably helped kill her off. Imagine facing up to that?

How many of these folks were truly friends with Harry to begin with? He may have had a few in his corner, but I imagine he was tolerated more often than not because of his station. Some of the stories that have slipped out about him from his pre-Meghan days - slapping people, throwing them into pools, mooching off of family friends, running around naked, cheating at school, and on and on - show that he was always a boor. I bet many in his former circles are happy they are free no longer have to extend invitations and whatnot to him, and particularly, his equally boorish wife.

They were all settling down, marriage and kids and while Harry had dates and girlfriends, he wasn’t very bright and he wasn’t worth dealing with all the royal baggage. It took a determined outsider who sized up the situation. Unfortunately for her, she overreached.

What r180 said.

I surmise, by now, Markle has had enough of Harry.

I stand by my prediction that Markle will file for divorce once King Charles dies, unless Harry beats her to filing it, which is doubtful.

I guess marriage to a wealthy dolt can work if you have busy, active, SEPARATE lives. But the Sussexes don’t.

Both Harkles are intolerable. Do they actually still like each other? What happens when they split?

Now they're leaking about Charles asking them to stop publicly complain. You can't make this stuff up.

Who is trying to tell us the Grosvenors are unattractive?

Hugh Grosvenor is quite dishy!

His 15 billion euros or dollars makes him very, very attractive& hot.

Seriously, he owns most of Central London.

I'm surprised that Meg didn't make a play for this guy while she was husband-hunting in the UK.

I expectthat Hugh is quite well-versed in identifying and rebuffing gold-diggers like Meghan. As well, he probably actually listens to friends and family; something Harry chose not to do.

Hugh is like 11 yrs younger that Megzilla. She was not shopping in that age bracket.

You think a little something like an age difference would stop The Meg? Watch her. She clearly thinks she is the most alluring thing ever on two (chicken) legs.

Maybe she has a filter on her mirror? What kind of delusional idiot could think this was a good look to have beamed around the world?

I loved her “style” pre-ozempic.

I just read a blind item that she tried to lure Grosvenor in but he thought she was too old. Haaahaha!

R191: Somebody skipped "Sewing Darts" class!

Markle is a serial killer of tasteful fashion choices and I consider that Miss Kitty gown Markle wore in the the pic at r191 among her worst crimes against fashion.

I want to be fair and point out when she looked her absolute most superb - Queen Elizabeth II’s funeral.

That black caped dress simultaneously conveyed simple, elegant construction with just the right touch of drama.

The dress indeed did, R195.

Unfortunately she was in it. Which is probably why the ride in the back of the Rolls with Sophie after the service was so quiet.

I thought the dress was actually a visual metaphor for her complete lack of understanding about the job. It would have looked great on series television - very dramatic - but it was the funeral for the Queen. You don't pull focus. As ever, too much. No humility.

True, r194. But she had no hope of filling those cups anyway.

R192, here she is with Ozempic. No spanx.

I didn't know she wore glasses.

The problem with the outfit at r191 is not the bust darts (unflattering but they’re supposed to look like that) or the back fat (unfortunate) but that she wore a formal gala gown to what was at most a dressy cocktail event. She was styled wrong as the very severe, migraine-inducing high bun with the full gown formed a triangle silhouette and made her look like a pin head.

Agree with you, r200, especially how it was inappropriate to the event- formal gala gown- and one- a dressy cocktail event- honoring military veterans.

As Diana Vreelend put it, "Elegance is refusal."

Of all famous woman I see at public appearances, no one needs to engage restraint more than Markle.

I'd argue that even for a formal gala that thing is an amalgam of bad details : the color, the way too high front slit, the overexposed shoulders, the plunging decolletage hanging by halter straps, the superfluous back train, ....*sigh*

As usual, her sole criteria is "This will be my fashion viral moment" and yes Markle, it is, but for all the wrong reasons.

Is the Duchess knocked up yet? Time for am heir!

R201, it's almost endearing in its misguided, clueless optimism, the image of her in front of her three-way mirror, thinking this is it! This is it! Every, every time.