It might actually be needed!
I don't think the other members of the What's My Line panel liked Dorothy Kilgallen, Part 6
by Anonymous | reply 600 | July 20, 2024 12:51 PM |
A tad premature, OP.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 15, 2024 11:22 PM |
Only slightly premature, R2. You never know when something like a newly discovered Arlene Francis tinsel ad will cause traffic on these threads to increase dramatically.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 17, 2024 2:32 AM |
Arlene interviews a 27 year old Jacqueline Kennedy.
Listen to the dueling posh accents. Hear Arlene gasp: "There's a Caah!" at 4:45.
Jackie picks up laundry. Buys vegetables. Typical Jackie things.
She's so dull she seems mildly retarded but Arlene keeps things moving. Total pro.
Jack stops by and looks good.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 17, 2024 3:08 AM |
I can't believe we're all still here together!
by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 17, 2024 3:13 AM |
Did Arlene ever comment on her diamond heart pendant on WML? I'm surprised whoever designed it didn't make an appearance as a contestant.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 17, 2024 3:14 AM |
Eldergay mental health warning alert:
I accidentally started reading the previous thread again, and it took an alarmingly long time before I realized I had read those posts before!
by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 17, 2024 3:16 AM |
Martin gave it to her, r7. It was later stolen.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 17, 2024 3:16 AM |
I know all that, r9, but I wondered if Arlene ever spoke of it publicly, especially on WML. Not about it being stolen but about what it meant o her, if it was given for a special occasion, etc.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 17, 2024 3:20 AM |
Wasn't a duplicate of Arlene's heart necklace available in stores at one point?
by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 17, 2024 6:48 AM |
R13, yes. My mother had one. It was a gift from my father on their 15th anniversary in 1961. She wore until the day she died.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | May 17, 2024 7:55 AM |
^^^ wore IT until ...
by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 17, 2024 7:55 AM |
After hearing the heart-breaking story of Arlene's mugging, designer Jose Hess created a similar heart necklace. This new necklace was presented to Arlene Francis at a surprise luncheon she attended.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 17, 2024 8:21 AM |
Neil Simon's apartment at Arlene's building, the Ritz on 57th and Park, was on the market 5 years ago:
by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 17, 2024 12:26 PM |
R5 It's seems inappropriate for Arlene to be so familiar to just call her "Jackie"
by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 17, 2024 2:34 PM |
Roxanne from BEAT THE CLOCK, mentioned in the previous thread also played the stripper Electra in the movie version of GYPSY.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | May 17, 2024 5:31 PM |
[quote]It's seems inappropriate for Arlene to be so familiar to just call her "Jackie"
She was still just Jackie back then. She hadn't yet become JACKIE!
by Anonymous | reply 21 | May 17, 2024 5:57 PM |
Arlene's outfit at R5 is rather dowdy. I guess that's because it was a daytime program for housewives.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | May 17, 2024 6:21 PM |
Miss Roxanne *Arlen* would like a few words with you, r19.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | May 17, 2024 6:25 PM |
R21, true, but she was still a senator's wife and, as far as I know, not personal friends. In those days, people who didn't know each other well were still "Mrs xxx" and "Mr. xxx", let alone "Sen. xxx".
If they had met privately and socially, I'll bet Arlene would have called her Mrs. Kennedy, which I suspect Jackie would have been more comfortable with. Her TV show may have been trying to create a homier, we're-all-friends-here atmosphere and thus gone straight to first names. Arlene is more than 20 years older than Jackie, so Jackie would have deferred to her usage anyway.
Speaking of names, I wonder if Arlene preferred to be Mrs. Gabel in non-work, social settings. Many married professional women used their husband's surnames socially.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | May 17, 2024 6:38 PM |
^^^ "husbands' " not "husband's". They didn't all share the same husband!
by Anonymous | reply 25 | May 17, 2024 6:40 PM |
The Italian bike racer after Cornelia is a cutie.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | May 18, 2024 1:00 AM |
r11 episode was fun!
Nice to see both ladies stand for the good Father Joseph upon his exit.
Keely Smith had such a distinctive hairdo. I thought I'd remembered it as a classic Louise Brooks bob but it really had quite a 1950s twist what with those spit curls and rat-chewed bangs (is that what they were called?).
The sausage maker 4th guest was an adorable nerd hottie. Wish they'd been able to spend a little more time with him.
Always love seeing Alan King on the panel. I've crushed on him for forever as he reminded me of my childhood bff's hot daddy.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | May 18, 2024 1:07 AM |
I always confuse Cornelia Otis Skinner with Adela Rogers St. John.
And that Italian bike racer was HOTTTTTTTT!
by Anonymous | reply 28 | May 18, 2024 1:28 AM |
Keely Smith had a terrific voice. I was aware of her when I was younger but I thought she was more of a novelty act with her deadpan demeanor and Louis Prima. But as an adult, I came to really appreciate her Great American Songbook recordings.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | May 18, 2024 1:33 AM |
Adela Rogers St. John reminds me of John Huston.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | May 18, 2024 1:35 AM |
[quote]The Italian bike racer after Cornelia is a cutie.
Beppe Ogna died in 2010. Still handsome in old age.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | May 18, 2024 1:37 AM |
I’m really glad to see IDTTOMOTWMLPLDK still going strong. Rest in power, part 5.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | May 18, 2024 1:56 AM |
[quote]Keely Smith had a terrific voice. I was aware of her when I was younger but I thought she was more of a novelty act with her deadpan demeanor and Louis Prima.
I liked her deadpan demeanor so much, I decided to get myself a deadpan demeanor of my own!
by Anonymous | reply 34 | May 18, 2024 4:06 AM |
What was it about deadpan manners back then? Was it considered sexy?
And how did they come up with the phrase deadpan (is it really one word?)?
by Anonymous | reply 36 | May 18, 2024 1:19 PM |
Suzanne Goodson, the last of Mark Goodson's three wives, has died.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | May 18, 2024 2:27 PM |
R39 thanks so much for that clip. When I was in the second grade Van Cliburn was featured in the Weekly Reader when he went to Russian and won the Tchaikovsky competition. I was immediately in love.
My parents bought me the Extended 45 edition of the Piano Concerto in B flat Minor.
Then I saw his picture in Life Magazine and he had RED HAIR. I thought Van Cliburn was his last name....so I called him Tex Van Cliburn and was certain I would grow up and marry him.
Now I want to play my record......
by Anonymous | reply 40 | May 18, 2024 8:21 PM |
Dorothy says Bennett fingered Perle!
by Anonymous | reply 42 | May 19, 2024 4:41 AM |
Am shocked that Dorothy gives out her address on TV to the button maker.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | May 19, 2024 6:04 AM |
Oops I meant Arlene is the one who gives her address.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | May 19, 2024 6:04 AM |
Was Ethel Merman TRANS?
I ask because girl mermaids are called “Mermaids” and boys are “Mermen.”
by Anonymous | reply 46 | May 19, 2024 6:41 AM |
The mice raiser looks like Meryl.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | May 19, 2024 10:41 AM |
R45 Nice real estate. This was before Arlene moved to the Ritz Tower to hunt unsuspecting tourists walking along 57th St.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | May 19, 2024 2:03 PM |
[quote]Am shocked that Dorothy gives out her address on TV to the button maker.
John Daly, in a 1960s episode, mentions he lives at the Imperial House.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | May 19, 2024 4:12 PM |
r43 Why is that labeled as a "Broadway Original Cast Album" when Merman is the only one from the original cast on it?
by Anonymous | reply 52 | May 19, 2024 4:29 PM |
Believe it or not, in the old days (at into the 1970s), many celebrities' addresses and phone numbers were regularly listed in the NY phone directory. I can remember as a kid, wanting to write fan letters and surprised at how easily accessible they were.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | May 19, 2024 5:53 PM |
Sorry - at least into the 1970s ^^^^^^^^
by Anonymous | reply 54 | May 19, 2024 5:54 PM |
What a dick fuck you were, R53
/j
by Anonymous | reply 55 | May 19, 2024 6:46 PM |
R36, it’s still sexy, at least in men. Not smiling at lot or showing much emotion is masculine.
In a beautiful women, a deadpan manner conveyed an indifference and independence that some men would find very appealing.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | May 19, 2024 9:59 PM |
R39, he’s just about ready to fly right on out of there, isn’t he?
by Anonymous | reply 57 | May 19, 2024 9:59 PM |
Sorry I can't find him as funny as others do.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | May 20, 2024 2:21 AM |
Who, r58?
by Anonymous | reply 59 | May 20, 2024 2:26 AM |
Ethel does look like a truck driver in drag in Ethel 2.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | May 20, 2024 8:55 AM |
Don't understand why the audience laughs at the vitamin salesman when he first arrives.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | May 20, 2024 9:11 AM |
The garbage collector hath a lithp.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | May 22, 2024 5:50 AM |
Consuelo? Have you seen my dumbbells? I wanted to do some light calisthenics on the terrace…
by Anonymous | reply 65 | May 22, 2024 6:28 AM |
Pia Lindstrom on the panel. Angela Landsberry as Mystery Guest.
1966 was the year of big dangly earrings and Pia's got them.
Arlene shows us the mask she wore at Capote's Black&White Ball, held the week before. Bennett and John were at the party too.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | May 22, 2024 6:49 PM |
^ And Angela's got the earrings too.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | May 22, 2024 6:54 PM |
She was always bitter about Oscar—right there on WML, too
by Anonymous | reply 68 | May 22, 2024 7:51 PM |
Pia looks more like her father than her mother.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | May 22, 2024 7:59 PM |
[quote]Angela Landsberry as Mystery Guest.
Jessica Fletcher couldn't solve the mystery of that spelling.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | May 22, 2024 8:40 PM |
It's so dumb when the panel asks a MG singer to sing a little something for them. Angela is the first one I have seen actually comply. Even Ethel Merman refused.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | May 23, 2024 2:23 AM |
[quote]Angela is the first one I have seen actually comply.
25 year old Bobby Darin graciously complied but did it in such a classy way. Go to 17:50
by Anonymous | reply 74 | May 23, 2024 2:38 AM |
Tonight on Have Gun, Will Travel:
*The Fatalist*
[quote]Martin Gabel stars as immigrant Nathan Shotness, a murder witness who may be the next victim. Smollet: Robert Blake. Rivka: Roxanne Berard. Viola: Regina Gleason. Paladin: Richard Boone...
by Anonymous | reply 75 | May 23, 2024 2:41 AM |
Maria Schell went crazy?
by Anonymous | reply 77 | May 23, 2024 3:24 AM |
The R74 episode Arlene's eyebrows seem stenciled on.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | May 23, 2024 3:26 AM |
Did handsome Max Schell ever make it over to WML?
by Anonymous | reply 79 | May 23, 2024 3:29 AM |
He did.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | May 23, 2024 3:58 AM |
No not according to his IMDb.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | May 23, 2024 4:26 AM |
R72, Louis Armstrong sang "Hello, Dolly" for the panel. His recording of the song eventually hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 on May 9, 1964, the first non-Beatles song at the top of the chart since January 25.
It's always Arlene who asks the MG to sing, as far as I've seen. She's completely charming when she asks (she also asks dancer-MG's to dance off the stage!), but in one of the earlier threads, there was a post stating that JCD didn't approve of any performances on the show. He certainly seems to enjoy Satchmo here, though.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | May 23, 2024 6:33 AM |
In R74 they all comment on the beauty of the TV weather girl but I'm not seeing it.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | May 23, 2024 8:14 AM |
In R74 they all comment on the beauty of the TV weather girl but I'm not seeing it.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | May 23, 2024 8:14 AM |
R77 - Max's 2005 documentary on his sister showed her mental and emotional health deteriorated under the pressure of unhappy love affairs and a neurological disorder that robbed her of discipline and judgment. She has become a recluse in their parents’ old chalet in Austria and has spent herself into bankruptcy–a fate from which he rescues her by selling his own art collection. Oblivious to it all, she spends much of her days watching her old movies on TV, imprisoned in the past, that heart-piercing smile still playing on her now-aged features.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | May 23, 2024 8:19 AM |
An Austrian Miss Havisham!
by Anonymous | reply 86 | May 23, 2024 10:44 AM |
Other than that rather misbegotten version of The Brothers Karamazov with Yul Brynner, William Shatner and Lee J Cobb, did Maria Schell make any other American films?
by Anonymous | reply 87 | May 23, 2024 1:50 PM |
JCD referred to the weather girl as an extraordinarily handsome young lady so perhaps he didn't see quite the beauty there either, r83.
I remember Jeanne Parr as the local New Haven TV weather girl when I was a student at Yale. She wasn't so young by then.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | May 24, 2024 2:58 AM |
Maria also made The Hanging Tree which is referenced in the R76 show.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | May 24, 2024 3:30 AM |
Jill went to Vietnam with Bob Hope.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | May 24, 2024 3:47 AM |
[quote] Jeanne Parr
R89 Ooh! Her pearls really set off that weather front drawn on the chalkboard weather map.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | May 24, 2024 4:15 AM |
[quote]Other than that rather misbegotten version of The Brothers Karamazov with Yul Brynner, William Shatner and Lee J Cobb, did Maria Schell make any other American films?
She's not even the most famous Austrian Maria.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | May 24, 2024 4:24 AM |
Jill St. was back as the MG on August 20, 1967 but this is post-Dorothy so for me less interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | May 24, 2024 4:33 AM |
Maria Schell was in As The Sea Rages (1959) with Cliff Robertson, also played the lead in the remake of Cimarron (1960), with Glenn Ford and Anne Baxter. And The Mark (1961) with Stuart Whitman.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | May 24, 2024 9:42 AM |
Noticed in R97 Arlene is wearing pearls and not her heart necklace.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | May 24, 2024 5:25 PM |
I found Maria Schell's perma-smile very annoying, btw.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | May 24, 2024 5:59 PM |
My favorite episode is where Pat Suzuki is the mystery guest and one of the panelists joyously tells her they were all singing "Grant Avenue" from "Flower Drum Song" in the green room just before the taping of the show.
The image of Bennett Cerf singing, "Dong-dong! You're in Hong Kong, having yourself a time..." blew my mind.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | May 24, 2024 11:14 PM |
Bennett was more likely to sing "The girl who serves you all your food is another tasty dish."
by Anonymous | reply 103 | May 24, 2024 11:27 PM |
R100 "Did I ever give you a lift after a party at Joan Crawford's"
You gotta love Dorothy.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | May 24, 2024 11:32 PM |
Did Bennett ask Pat if she was of the Oriental persuasion?
by Anonymous | reply 105 | May 25, 2024 12:35 AM |
In the R106 Franklin Heller segment JCD references the previous week where they had the intruder come on set.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | May 25, 2024 4:10 AM |
It's the most exciting tho-rough-fare I know!
by Anonymous | reply 109 | May 25, 2024 4:22 AM |
Bill Hartack in R100 looks like Sean Hayes.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | May 25, 2024 7:42 AM |
Jeez Wally Cox brings the game to a grinding holt.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | May 27, 2024 7:03 AM |
I can't recall a worse panelist than Wally Cox. Surely he was never invited back.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | May 27, 2024 7:09 AM |
Yes his humor leaves me stone faced. He was a panelist one more time on the episode March 27, 1955. He was the MG on September 20, 1953.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | May 27, 2024 10:43 AM |
His wonderful talents are just as tedious and unfunny when he was the guest.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | May 27, 2024 11:03 AM |
Wally Cox made me long for the witty badinage of Sam Levenson.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | May 27, 2024 11:15 AM |
R114, Why was Marlon Brando so besotted with him?
by Anonymous | reply 118 | May 27, 2024 11:39 AM |
I loved Wally as Mr. Peepers, but his nervous shyness in that role is exactly what makes him awkward and vaguely embarrassing in other contexts.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | May 27, 2024 12:23 PM |
Wally was cute with a script. But ad libbing....just no.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | May 27, 2024 1:32 PM |
For me, anyway, Victor Borge is right down there with Wally as worst panelist ever.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | May 27, 2024 1:33 PM |
I wonder if the panelists were all singing songs from Rodgers & Hammerstein's Sweet Thursday before Helen Traubel's appearance?
by Anonymous | reply 122 | May 27, 2024 1:55 PM |
Sorry, I meant Pipe Dream (based on Steinbeck's novel, Sweet Thursday).
by Anonymous | reply 123 | May 27, 2024 2:03 PM |
With Dorothy and Arlene and Bennett, I like Tony Randall as the 4th panelist though am not a fan of his acting, and Robert Q. Lewis. I like Joey Bishop for the hot factor.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | May 27, 2024 2:55 PM |
[quote] Jeez Wally Cox brings the game to a grinding holt.
Reminds me of my cousin, Adele Holt. She was a stripper.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | May 27, 2024 2:58 PM |
R124, those are good choices. I thought I was the only one who found Joey Bishop hot.
Tony Randall is pretty good, although he can be annoyingly mannered. RQL is an excellent player. Right now I'm watching 1964, and Steve Lawrence has been a guest panelist quite a bit. He's a good player and awfully cute.
Out of loyalty and liking, though, I'd have to put Martin Gabel at the top of the list of guests panelists. His charm, self-deprecating humor, great voice, and the fact that he obviously adores Arlene make him a favorite for me. I'm always happy when he turns out to the guest.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | May 27, 2024 9:56 PM |
^^^ "... turns out to BE the guest PANELIST." Jeez, I haven't even had a cocktail yet.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | May 27, 2024 9:58 PM |
Joey Bishop was known to be a prick to work with/for, much like Jerry Lewis, Danny Kaye, etc.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | May 27, 2024 10:01 PM |
Regis Philbin was ABC late night host Joey Bishop’s announcer/sidekick.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | May 27, 2024 10:07 PM |
He was my sidekick!
by Anonymous | reply 131 | May 27, 2024 10:31 PM |
And mine!
by Anonymous | reply 132 | May 27, 2024 10:32 PM |
And mine!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 133 | May 27, 2024 10:58 PM |
R126 - Haha I forgot about Martin Gabel. Have you ever seen him on the same panel with Bennett and Dorothy and Arlene?
by Anonymous | reply 134 | May 28, 2024 12:53 AM |
Never heard of him! Would baseball managers be recognizable today to the general public?
by Anonymous | reply 136 | May 28, 2024 1:52 AM |
Chuck Dressen was manager of my hometown Detroit Tigers. Due to illness, he had to retire early in the season. He died that August. His interim successor, Bob Staff, also took ill & was unable to complete the season. He also was to die that fateful year.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | May 28, 2024 2:29 AM |
^ In 1966
by Anonymous | reply 138 | May 28, 2024 2:31 AM |
Can't remember if it was in one of these WML threads or another one entirely but there was a discussion of "deadpan" and some felt it could be a very sexy vibe. I guess Joey Bishop had a kind of deadpan thing going.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | May 28, 2024 3:00 AM |
Despite the bland exterior, Wally Cox was an avid weightlifter and had a very fit bod underneath those clothes. That may be part of what Brando saw in him...
by Anonymous | reply 141 | May 28, 2024 3:06 AM |
R135 makes references to Dorothy being back so I was curious who was in the previous show.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | May 28, 2024 3:31 AM |
[quote]For me, anyway, Victor Borge is right down there with Wally as worst panelist ever.
Victor Borge gets my vote as the least funny "funnyman" ever. I watched an episode of "I've Got a Secret" recently in which Borge was setting up some elaborate musical routine that seemed to involve a hundred people. It just went on and on and on. I had to turn it off because I was losing my will to live.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | May 28, 2024 3:59 AM |
Faye Emerson also filled for Dorothy on September 14, 1952.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | May 28, 2024 5:43 AM |
R134, yes, Martin was probably the most frequent guest panelist and was on with the three regulars often. It made for a cozy group because of course Martin knew Dorothy and Bennett almost as well as Arlene. He didn’t feel like a guest but rather a regular alternate.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | May 28, 2024 6:01 PM |
R136, NFL coaches (and quarterbacks) might be more recognizable today, but still not as much as baseball seems to have been in WML days.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | May 28, 2024 6:01 PM |
R141, that, and Wally was cute. It’s also possible that his annoying manner on WML was mostly an ill-advised shtick, and he was more bearable IRL.
R144, Faye filled in for Dollie Mae a few times later on as well. I started my WML binge with 1955, and I’ve seen her several times. She had an off-putting way about her. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but she was a bit distant and lacking in the warmth and humor our regulars have. Didn’t she later on go crazy or become a recluse or something?
by Anonymous | reply 148 | May 28, 2024 6:03 PM |
Think Bill Belichick as a mystery guest…that’s what it would have been like…
by Anonymous | reply 149 | May 28, 2024 6:05 PM |
Wally Cox was a great Mystery Guest.
He was doing an impression of his best friend Marlon Brando in "Streetcar".
Very funny.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | May 28, 2024 8:43 PM |
^ And you just know Brando was watching this and laughing it up.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | May 28, 2024 8:45 PM |
^^ And getting hard over it.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | May 28, 2024 9:27 PM |
My boyfriend's bitter
No followers on Twitter
I'm shaving my shoulder
More hair as I get older
And all because of the show where no one pays.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | May 28, 2024 9:33 PM |
^oops that was for the Ben Platt thread.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | May 28, 2024 9:34 PM |
Didn’t she later on go crazy or become a recluse or something?
Are you confusing Faye Emerson with Frances Farmer? She looks just like her.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | May 28, 2024 9:37 PM |
Butterface?
by Anonymous | reply 157 | May 28, 2024 9:39 PM |
r156, did you read r150?
by Anonymous | reply 158 | May 28, 2024 9:40 PM |
Just watched the Wally Cox as MG episode. Hilarious, it's no wonder they asked him to be a guest panelist. Sad that didn't work out better.
Arlene: Are you a low comic?
by Anonymous | reply 159 | May 29, 2024 2:08 AM |
3 beautiful people, plus Suzy Parker on the panel.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | May 29, 2024 4:02 AM |
Watching that episode, it was noticeably duller without Arlene's presence.
Funny/sad to think Miss Iceland the telephone operator and the cute Peace Corp worker would both be well into their 80s now, or dead.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | June 1, 2024 3:11 AM |
Suzy Parker is a lousy panelist but so beautiful.
I loved the audience...and John Daley's... reaction to the entrance of Yogi.
Berra is very charismatic.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | June 1, 2024 3:47 AM |
Suzy sure seemed to be flirting with the Peace Corps guy.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | June 1, 2024 4:39 AM |
r166 Surely you're aware that any reference to Miss Umeki MUST be preceded by "The delicate, some would say flower-like ... " on Datalounge.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | June 1, 2024 2:26 PM |
[quote]"The delicate, some would say flower-like ... "
She hit me in the head with a fondue pot.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | June 1, 2024 2:28 PM |
Arlene making a wisecrack about sukiyaki?!
by Anonymous | reply 169 | June 1, 2024 2:30 PM |
So funny when Dorothy is trying to guess the flea raiser. Bennett suggests cockroach and she asks, "WHAT would you be breeding them for?!"
by Anonymous | reply 170 | June 1, 2024 2:32 PM |
Fun fact: Yogi Berra and Joe Garagiola were childhood friends.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | June 1, 2024 3:21 PM |
FF: they were FB
by Anonymous | reply 172 | June 1, 2024 4:24 PM |
Tuesday Weld acquitted herself admirably but something tells me she just didn't want to be there with all those old fuddy-dudddies. I've never heard of the film she was promoting BACHELOR FLAT. Anyone?
by Anonymous | reply 173 | June 1, 2024 6:24 PM |
Bennett at R173. The kids have this new-fangled thing: Gidget, or Gurgle, or similar
by Anonymous | reply 174 | June 1, 2024 6:34 PM |
When he was nearly 80, Tom Poston married Suzanne Pleshette. She was in her late 60s. Now that was an unexpected pairing.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | June 2, 2024 5:07 AM |
^She was in her early 60s.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | June 2, 2024 5:09 AM |
That was a wild head jewel on the dental assistant in R175.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | June 2, 2024 5:59 AM |
Interesting comment on the YouTube page for R178 that calls back to the title of the thread.
Having watched a lot of these episodes in a row, there's definitely a little something-something between Dorothy and Martin. Martin might just be the only one who's truly nice to her (the others just seem to tolerate her), so she feels warmer towards him. It's very sweet how kind Martin is to her when the others are cold or indifferent.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | June 2, 2024 6:44 AM |
R176, They had dated many years prior, so it was a reconnection. After he died, Suzanne discovered he was much wealthier than she knew, but she didn’t live much longer to enjoy it.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | June 2, 2024 9:03 AM |
Mystery Guest Leslie Uggams. Adorable
Michele Lee looking gorgeous.
And both are still with us!.
How short is Martin Gabel?
What a beautiful theatrical voice he had.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | June 2, 2024 1:02 PM |
Tom Poston was no Troy Donahue.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | June 2, 2024 1:44 PM |
Martin Gabel did, indeed, have a wonderful voice. He was also one hell of an actor -equally adept at drama and comedy. It is a shame he is so little remembered. Many threads ago someone called him a troll, and questioned what Arlene ever saw in him.. I'd say it was probably that he was smart, kind, funny, and talented.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | June 2, 2024 9:32 PM |
Weak chin—that’s why they got along well…^^
by Anonymous | reply 187 | June 2, 2024 9:44 PM |
^Wrong wife.
by Anonymous | reply 188 | June 2, 2024 9:55 PM |
No —my comment was as to how he got along with Dorothy
by Anonymous | reply 189 | June 2, 2024 10:18 PM |
Martin Gabel's great voice led to much work as a voiceover talent. He narrated many a documentary.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | June 3, 2024 12:29 AM |
Nothing against Martin, I enjoyed his WML appearances very much and he co-starred in the first Broadway show I saw, BAKER STREET, as Moriarty. But seriously, r186. what other roles should we be remembering him from?
by Anonymous | reply 191 | June 3, 2024 2:58 AM |
R191, The boss Tippi Hedren stole money from in “Marnie”.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | June 3, 2024 3:41 AM |
Sadly, he didn't do much film work. My favorite is his uncredited role in Lord Love a Duck with Roddy McDowell and Tuesday Weld. He plays a teen-movie producer/director who wants to make Weld a star, talking Hollywood production budgets while standing in line for his unemployment check. It's a memorable role -not a tiny cameo. I don't know why it was done uncredited.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | June 3, 2024 3:58 AM |
What is happening with the window washers hair in R184?
by Anonymous | reply 194 | June 3, 2024 6:30 AM |
R180 and R186, I only know Martin from WML, but he's always warm, kind, gracious and self-deprecating on the show. From all appearances, he was a lovely man. And I'll be he was great in bed. Arlene seems like a very satisfied woman.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | June 3, 2024 7:51 AM |
The Leslie Uggams was referenced before. and it was noted how her makeup makes her look bizarre.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | June 3, 2024 7:59 AM |
^^^ BOO! I don't need more bad news today.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | June 3, 2024 11:00 PM |
Janis was never on WML.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | June 3, 2024 11:17 PM |
Our loss!
by Anonymous | reply 200 | June 3, 2024 11:29 PM |
[quote]Janis was never on WML.
I've Got a Secret and To Tell the Truth are What's My Line? adjacent.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | June 4, 2024 12:29 AM |
They were the cream of the game show crop.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | June 4, 2024 12:31 AM |
Allen Funt was one of the most disliked men in show business.
Both Joan Rivers and Liz Smith wrote of the horror of working for him.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | June 4, 2024 2:20 AM |
What about Dorothy Collins and Fannie Flagg? They also worked with Funt on Candid Camera.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | June 4, 2024 2:32 AM |
I always felt sorry for Bess Myerson that they made her sit on the far end of the panel on I've Got a Secret. On WML Dorothy and Arlene would switch the seat between the two male panelists and at least the loser got to sit at the head of the panel, not the rear end.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | June 4, 2024 2:34 AM |
They had to keep Betsy & Henry apart after Henry made a comment that offended Betsy.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | June 4, 2024 2:46 AM |
This is the July 1967 show where Henry Morgan was openly rude to Bennett during the introductions which angered John Daly.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | June 4, 2024 8:56 AM |
It's not much of a story. Plus they hire comediennes to do the show so they want them to be irreverent.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | June 4, 2024 9:52 AM |
What's particularly unfortunate about Henry's remarks re Bennett is they seem to come from something that was said or occurred backstage, before the game began. He's just mean-spirited and the moment is so awkward, nothing funny or humorous about it, even as a jibe. I wonder what was behind it all.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | June 4, 2024 12:52 PM |
R210, It was two months before the final show of the series, I’m guessing that was Henry’s final appearance.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | June 4, 2024 12:58 PM |
That was Henry's last live appearance on the show, R211, but a pre-taped show with Henry aired subsequently.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | June 4, 2024 1:15 PM |
Had I've Got a Secret already ended its run?
by Anonymous | reply 213 | June 4, 2024 1:47 PM |
r208 I guess I must be ancient because I recognized Everett Dirksen right away.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | June 4, 2024 5:11 PM |
[quote] Had I've Got a Secret already ended its run?
Yes, its final telecast was April 3, 1967.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | June 4, 2024 6:01 PM |
Someone mentioned Julie London having tension on the show with Dorothy. Let's see #1.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | June 5, 2024 2:29 PM |
Julie London. I always thought that was such a pretty name.
Love her sexy sultry 1950s album covers.
Get a load of this:
by Anonymous | reply 217 | June 5, 2024 3:05 PM |
She fucked Randolph Mantooth behind the fire truck parked outside the hospital, but just that one time.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | June 5, 2024 4:40 PM |
r216, that is not the tension-filled Julie London segment.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | June 5, 2024 6:03 PM |
Dorothy fancied herself a singer and enjoyed singing for her party guests.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | June 6, 2024 1:33 AM |
I'm not sure anyone on the panel had much patience for Julie London at r220. I think that was actually the first of her 2 MG appearances and she stumped them all both times, a difficult performer to categorize, I guess.
But the false teeth maker for cows was one very handsome dude.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | June 6, 2024 2:18 AM |
Julie London is gorgeous in that episode but the panel seemed quite annoyed with her antics, especially Dorothy.
Up until Julie, the show is hilarious. Very free and loose.
The false teeth maker for cows was handsome indeed, and that interpreter was quite a looker too.
by Anonymous | reply 223 | June 6, 2024 3:03 AM |
The interpreter Alexander Akalovsky died in 2020 at the age of 97.
by Anonymous | reply 224 | June 6, 2024 3:11 AM |
I was on I've Got a Secret when I was three years old. In 1954. One of the panelists was my godfather, and they wanted a cute episode with a kid.
I wish I could find a tape of that show but I'm not sure they taped tv back then. Can anyone help?
by Anonymous | reply 225 | June 6, 2024 3:16 AM |
R225, a good many of the early IGaS episodes, in which Garry Moore would introduce the show as a “snoopy” kind of show, can be found on the BillCullenNet YouTube channel.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | June 6, 2024 4:32 AM |
Connie Francis. With Jerry Lewis as guest panelist.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | June 6, 2024 8:23 AM |
R228 Dorothy guessed Connie Francis in no time.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | June 7, 2024 1:46 AM |
Connie Francis was IMMENSELY popular from around 1959-1964. And though beginning as a teen fave, their parents loved her, too.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | June 7, 2024 4:11 AM |
Connie looks short.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | June 7, 2024 7:13 AM |
R232 = Addison DeWitt
by Anonymous | reply 233 | June 7, 2024 10:47 AM |
Sheilah Graham always seemed so pleasant and lady-like. Not like the cunty gossip columnist she actually was.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | June 9, 2024 1:30 AM |
For a "supposedly" brilliant actress, Helen Hayes didn't seem to have a clue as to how to disguise her voice.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | June 9, 2024 1:42 AM |
^^^ She was so used to putting on "character" voices that she probably assumed no one would recognize her actual voice.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | June 9, 2024 2:51 AM |
R232 She is short at 5 ft. and 1 in. 6ft. with heels and hair!
by Anonymous | reply 238 | June 9, 2024 3:27 AM |
Helen Hayes' first appearance on July 1 1951 seems to be lost. But here is her second appearance.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | June 9, 2024 4:33 AM |
Dorothy and Arlene stood for Helen Hayes as she was leaving the stage.
by Anonymous | reply 240 | June 9, 2024 5:54 AM |
I didn't hear that Michael Romanoff has any accent.
by Anonymous | reply 241 | June 9, 2024 6:12 AM |
Since he was actually American, that's no surprise, R241.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | June 9, 2024 6:33 PM |
Mike Romanoff was a prince like Zsa Zsa’s husband is a prince.
by Anonymous | reply 243 | June 9, 2024 8:12 PM |
^ I can definitely see one of the regulars telling Althea Gibson that she was a credit to her race.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | June 9, 2024 9:52 PM |
R231 The ovation when Connie Francis entered was tremendous!
by Anonymous | reply 246 | June 10, 2024 2:47 AM |
I don't think anyone under 65, or maybe even 70, would understand (or believe) how popular Connie Francis once was, however briefly that fame lasted.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | June 10, 2024 3:01 AM |
R247, It wasn’t all that brief. Connie had a string of hit records for years in the 1950s and 1960s.
by Anonymous | reply 248 | June 10, 2024 5:28 AM |
The fans sounded like girls.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | June 10, 2024 5:40 AM |
R247, here's Connie's discography. She dropped off the charts pretty quickly after 1962.
I'm 67, and I always put her in the category of other teen idols like Paul Anka (on WML several times) or Frankie Avalon. I knew who she was, but I never thought of her as a current pop star because I wasn't paying attention to pop songs before around 1965.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | June 10, 2024 9:44 AM |
IIRC in the 1961 WML clip, JCD congratulates Connie on her 7 gold records and $15 million worth of sales and that was just between 1959 and 1961.
Maybe that doesn't sound like much in these days of Taylor Swift and Beyonce, I don't know. Connie was pretty much done by the time the Beatles showed up in 1964 but she had an incredible if short run, especially for a woman singer in the world of rock and roll, transistor radios and 45s.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | June 10, 2024 1:37 PM |
R252. She was also a professional golfer. The first black woman to play in the women’s PGA tour.
by Anonymous | reply 254 | June 10, 2024 2:24 PM |
R247 It was not brief! She racked up 17 million selling singles and was a top concert draw throughout the 1960s and beyond. She racked up 57 chart hits just in the USA. In the 1990s, she signed major contracts, and she continued to appear throughout the world. Not brief at all! Her problems produced sporadic shifts, but she was still a top concert draw. A 6 decade career.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | June 11, 2024 2:03 AM |
R248 I agree. In fact it was quite long when you consider her concert career, and how it survived the traumas of the 1970s and 1980s. She settled back down in the mid 1990's and became more consistent, and even has some Carnegie Hall appearances to great reviews.
by Anonymous | reply 256 | June 11, 2024 2:07 AM |
Here career as a contemporary A list performer was very brief.
YouTube is filled with her disastrous performances from the 70s through the 90s.
An SCTV skit come to life:
by Anonymous | reply 257 | June 11, 2024 2:23 AM |
[quote]Not brief at all! Her problems produced sporadic shifts, but she was still a top concert draw.
Oh please. She's like Bobby Rydell, Fabian, Avalon, Bobby Vinton...they were all still packing them in Atlantic City, still "top concert draws". But who cares? They were/are nostalgia acts. Frankie Valli lip syncs to his old recordings and has sell-out performances. Frankie Avalon is in his 80s and grandmas want to hear him croak through "Venus". They have die-hard fans.
by Anonymous | reply 258 | June 11, 2024 2:39 AM |
Listen, I adored Connie Francis as much as anyone when I was a pre-teen in the early 1960s, but by 1965, she was about as relevant in show biz as George Jessel.
by Anonymous | reply 259 | June 11, 2024 2:41 AM |
Dorothy was the one who most liked Pierre.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | June 11, 2024 9:34 AM |
Who was Barbara Ann Scott? She must be the only (non pro athlete) MG in WML history I've never heard of.
And yes, I know who Portland Hoffa and Peggy King were.
by Anonymous | reply 262 | June 12, 2024 1:14 AM |
Olympic gold medal figure skater.
Who was Sonja, or Tenley, or Carol, or Peggy, or Dorothy, or Katarina, or Kristi, or …so on
by Anonymous | reply 263 | June 12, 2024 1:18 AM |
There are lots of (mostly '50s) MGs who are unknown to me, a pop culture enthusiast & Boomer, R262. And, under the heading, "Fame is Fleeting," most of the MGs could be would be unknown today to a maskless panel of celebrities.
by Anonymous | reply 264 | June 12, 2024 1:21 AM |
Or Souji, or Trixie, or Anett… and so on
by Anonymous | reply 265 | June 12, 2024 1:22 AM |
R259 Her singles sales may have diminished, but she was still a huge concert act, appearing at all major venues - The Copa, Carnegie Hall, The London Palladium, LV, AC, all over. In the mid-1990s, she was able to pull herself up financially by her major concert contracts. Yes, in the early 1960s, she was one of the biggest stars in the world. I do think that with the exception of a few, her choice of single releases left something to be desired, a complete contrast to the late 1950s and early 1960s. She was relevant to adult concert goers post-1965. Everyone's singles success tends to wane over time. She was a great entertainer and she then emphasized that aspect.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | June 12, 2024 1:58 AM |
Connie's success was immense that it now took Taylor Swift to break her records. All those years! SMASH!
by Anonymous | reply 268 | June 12, 2024 2:00 AM |
R258 She was in a category all her own. I think Joel Whitburn also made that remark. She left her teen idol status, but really was beyond that at the b=very beginning of her career, loved by all generations. While the teens loved her, the adults did as well. Dick Clark stated that she was a rare entertainer, performing for teens by day and in sophisticated adult venues by night.
by Anonymous | reply 269 | June 12, 2024 2:05 AM |
The Copa? At the Copacabana?
Still in a dress she used to wear…Faded feathers in her hair?!
by Anonymous | reply 270 | June 12, 2024 2:17 AM |
[quote]Her singles sales may have diminished, but she was still a huge concert act, appearing at all major venues - The Copa, Carnegie Hall, The London Palladium
We was spectacular in concert! Just watch!
by Anonymous | reply 271 | June 12, 2024 2:20 AM |
At the R&R Diner?! Is that on Route 3A?
by Anonymous | reply 272 | June 12, 2024 2:25 AM |
That’s Liza time, R271!
by Anonymous | reply 273 | June 12, 2024 2:26 AM |
We've awakened the Connie Francis troll!
by Anonymous | reply 274 | June 12, 2024 2:48 AM |
Mary is a gangly gal.
by Anonymous | reply 276 | June 12, 2024 1:49 PM |
R271 That was an exception. She was overmedicated for the 1989 London Palladium concert, and she left the stage early, producing chaos. The venue redid the stage for her appearances there and she was unable to perform. She appeared on TV the next morning only to make things worse. She was all over the UK tabloids. She later redeemed herself. Yes, she did have her bad performances during that era. Once she pulled herself together, things changed. She amassed over a 100,000,000 in record sales, not a brief career, and while she was almost bankrupt during the tine of this performance, she got herself up and was able to amass her current fortune through concerts. There were great Carnegie Hall concerts. I saw her at VFMC in 1990 in AC where she was just OK and seemed tired, and then again in 1993 where she was spectacular. She, herself, was surprised on that night, but that marked the beginning of her triumphs. She should be credited for getting back her life and fortune. She does own part of her catalog and she releases them as she pleases, and licenses them out when she wants to. She is still active behind the scenes, but in general, she lives a happy and active life, and continues to live like a superstar.
by Anonymous | reply 277 | June 13, 2024 2:50 AM |
R277 Yeah, right.
Please post one of her magnificent performances from the 1990s.
We'll wait.
by Anonymous | reply 278 | June 13, 2024 2:56 AM |
Congressman John Lindsay was so handsome and glamorous at r279!
by Anonymous | reply 280 | June 14, 2024 1:06 AM |
R277
Great show! It was shown on A & E's Diamond Showcase.
by Anonymous | reply 281 | June 14, 2024 2:03 AM |
Gee...I remember this shown. It was a really good show. I have it on tape, and Diamond Showcase opened with "Only the very best performers get to be on Diamond Showcase."
by Anonymous | reply 282 | June 14, 2024 2:10 AM |
[quote]Congressman John Lindsay was so handsome and glamorous at [R279]!
Triggered.
by Anonymous | reply 284 | June 14, 2024 3:26 AM |
My Brooklyn residing WW II veteran uncle used to refer to Lindsay as “Mayor Pretty Boy”.
by Anonymous | reply 285 | June 14, 2024 4:08 AM |
Who insists on infesting threads with that cheap, awful Connie Francis tramp?
by Anonymous | reply 286 | June 14, 2024 4:12 AM |
Connie’s BBC rapist was never caught.
by Anonymous | reply 287 | June 14, 2024 4:13 AM |
He was a British TV presenter, R287?
by Anonymous | reply 288 | June 14, 2024 4:39 AM |
R280 - but I think his teefs were jacked.
by Anonymous | reply 289 | June 14, 2024 6:02 AM |
[quote] but I think his teefs were jacked.
Yeah, Lindsay then represented a silk stocking district & had such a Kennedy-like bearing that I just erroneously assumed he was a blue blood.
by Anonymous | reply 290 | June 14, 2024 2:13 PM |
If only my poppa had let me marry Bobby Darin, my life would have been so different! Damn you, Sandra Dee!
by Anonymous | reply 291 | June 14, 2024 3:05 PM |
I’m old enough to remember John Lindsay appearing on the television series “The Farmer’s Daughter”.
by Anonymous | reply 292 | June 14, 2024 3:22 PM |
Lindsay then represented a silk stocking district
He was top drawer!
by Anonymous | reply 293 | June 14, 2024 5:10 PM |
R283 They went all out when they designed that CD cover, no expense spared!
by Anonymous | reply 294 | June 14, 2024 5:47 PM |
I think Dorothy at r279 was at her most attractive. The simple black cocktail dress really suited her and offset her dark brunette hair (so preferable to her redhead years), caught back in a 60s flip with, I'd imagine, a faux wiglet at the crown. Less flashy jewelry, too.
by Anonymous | reply 295 | June 14, 2024 10:22 PM |
No one looked like Mary Travers before she arrived on the scene. In a few years, millions of girls would (at least try to) look like her.
by Anonymous | reply 296 | June 14, 2024 10:37 PM |
Tommy and Nancy divorced that July.
by Anonymous | reply 298 | June 14, 2024 11:19 PM |
And Tommy was convinced that Frank had him blackballed from ever playing Vegas after the divorce.
by Anonymous | reply 299 | June 15, 2024 3:06 AM |
Mary Travers' bangs and long straight hair was still rare in 1963. I can't think of any other popular female entertainer in the early '60s with that hairstyle.
by Anonymous | reply 300 | June 15, 2024 3:21 AM |
Didn't I say exactly that (in different words), r300? The WML segment is from 1963.
by Anonymous | reply 301 | June 15, 2024 4:17 AM |
[quote]No one looked like Mary Travers before she arrived on the scene
I love how timeless she looks here compared to Joni...
by Anonymous | reply 302 | June 15, 2024 4:44 AM |
She reminds me of that Muppet character Janice with the stringy hair.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | June 15, 2024 1:47 PM |
^ He looks so different than he did in Pink Flamingos.
by Anonymous | reply 305 | June 16, 2024 3:26 PM |
I thought Connie sounded fine in that telethon appearance. I thought she was going to be all missing notes and stuff. Her voice sounded fine.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | June 16, 2024 7:49 PM |
Jane seemed to walk just fine.
by Anonymous | reply 308 | June 17, 2024 4:09 AM |
Her sheer gloves with vein lines were odd.
by Anonymous | reply 309 | June 17, 2024 10:02 AM |
R308 She seems to move well with a leg brace.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | June 17, 2024 5:07 PM |
I am now resigned to the fact that the WML threads will never, ever disappear, because there are a literally infinite number of related topics.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | June 17, 2024 7:48 PM |
We like to think of it as Universal Appeal, R311. :)
by Anonymous | reply 312 | June 17, 2024 7:59 PM |
R304 the Psychiatrist gets a big laugh when Hal asks if he would benefit from his services.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | June 17, 2024 8:29 PM |
Although introduced as British, Barbara Kelly came from Vancouver which might explain why she doesn't have a British accent.
by Anonymous | reply 315 | June 17, 2024 9:30 PM |
Is that when Leo and Laraine were married? (And it's DUROCHER, not Derocher.)
by Anonymous | reply 316 | June 17, 2024 10:08 PM |
Yes.
by Anonymous | reply 317 | June 18, 2024 12:14 AM |
How the hell did the panel not get Andy Griffith in this episode (October 31, 1965)? He had the number 6 TV show for the '65-'66 season. They knew the MG was a television star with a show that carried his own name. They knew it was a comedy (and thus almost certainly 30 minutes), and they knew it was on CBS. And yet they couldn't figure out one of the biggest TV stars of his era.
On the other hand, when AG was on some years earlier, closer to his Broadway years, they got him right away as I recall. Sometimes it's annoying how out of touch with popular culture the panel was, and it was just getting worse in the mid-'60s.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | June 18, 2024 10:13 PM |
The DeMarco Sisters sing to the panel which recalls previous comments about guests being asked to sing.
by Anonymous | reply 321 | June 18, 2024 11:42 PM |
Did they ever have the Borden Twins? (AKA Teensy and Weensy)
by Anonymous | reply 322 | June 19, 2024 12:00 AM |
No.
by Anonymous | reply 323 | June 19, 2024 3:00 AM |
In R319 the stockbroker gets wolf whistles and the panel comment on how attractive she is. Dorothy calls her decorative. But I find her too tranny Cleopatra-ish.
by Anonymous | reply 324 | June 19, 2024 8:47 AM |
R315 Well she was from British Columbia...
by Anonymous | reply 325 | June 19, 2024 5:22 PM |
The lobster seller lady in R275 is the very definition of pinched.
by Anonymous | reply 326 | June 19, 2024 10:45 PM |
Do you really think Dorothy, Bennett and Arlene watched The Andy Griffith Show? Or any of those CBS sitcoms in the 60s?
by Anonymous | reply 327 | June 20, 2024 5:55 PM |
[quote]Do you really think Dorothy, Bennett and Arlene watched The Andy Griffith Show? Or any of those CBS sitcoms in the 60s?
All three of them adored "Hee-Haw."
by Anonymous | reply 329 | June 20, 2024 11:41 PM |
R327, that was my point. They were out of touch with the rest of America, and now that my WML viewing has moved into a time period I remember first-hand, it annoys me sometimes - all the more so because their world was losing its relevance to the national monoculture and they seem oblivious. I still enjoy watching and think of all of them almost as family. (It was hard to watch Dorothy's last show and tribute show. It really saddened me.) But by 1965 they were out of touch in a way they hadn't been 10 years earlier - not because they had changed but because the culture had changed and they hadn't.
To answer your point, in those days, even if you didn't watch a show, you knew all about it because of network publicity and general conversation. There were only so many hit shows on TV, and anyone well informed about American popular culture was familiar with the top-rated programs whether they watched them or not.
by Anonymous | reply 330 | June 21, 2024 12:09 AM |
You just now figured this out?
by Anonymous | reply 331 | June 21, 2024 12:25 AM |
The nudist camp owner in R320 gets some great laughs from the audience.
by Anonymous | reply 332 | June 21, 2024 1:42 AM |
r330 I get your point (to a degree) but you have to realize you're comparing your cultural preferences and awareness as a 1960s teenager (or child?) to middle aged show biz society people who rarely spent an evening at home watching television.
by Anonymous | reply 333 | June 21, 2024 3:23 AM |
She doesn’t look like Roy. I don’t see her wheelchair in the preview pic.
by Anonymous | reply 335 | June 21, 2024 6:08 PM |
[quote]They were out of touch with the rest of America
NYC society people, the cultured, the art crowd...were all "out of touch with the rest of America" and always were.
by Anonymous | reply 336 | June 21, 2024 6:40 PM |
R335 the episode comes from 1953 where he can walk. Roy had his car accident in 1958. The lady in the preview pic is a lipstick demonstrator.
by Anonymous | reply 337 | June 21, 2024 6:43 PM |
😳 now you tell me?!
by Anonymous | reply 338 | June 21, 2024 6:56 PM |
Keep in mind, too, that 1953 was the first year that more than half of US households had a television set. There were large parts of the country that had no reception (still are, but now there's cable and satellite reception in many of them.)
In 1953 people read daily, morning and evening newspapers, listened to the radio for a lot (if not most) of the information they consumed and could still watch a fourth national TV network: Dumont. Which folded in 1955.
by Anonymous | reply 339 | June 21, 2024 6:59 PM |
Roy looks like he had some junk in his trunk.
by Anonymous | reply 340 | June 21, 2024 7:02 PM |
He was a catcher —duh.
by Anonymous | reply 341 | June 21, 2024 7:04 PM |
The lipstick lady gets some laughs when Steve Allen asks about using her product.
by Anonymous | reply 342 | June 21, 2024 7:17 PM |
The panel being "out of touch" with the rest of America is EXACTLY what made the show fun and at times hilarious. Guessing occupations like Lipstick Tester, Amusement Park Skirt Blower and Maker of Cow Blankets or a grandmotherly type who's a Motorcycle Cop is so much more fun when the sleuths are hoity-toity 1 % types. I think, if anything the show just suffered by the mid-1960s when it became kind of repetitive. And of course, the absence of Dorothy.
by Anonymous | reply 343 | June 21, 2024 7:23 PM |
Did Martin Gabel ever appear with Arlene in the daily syndicated version of WML?
by Anonymous | reply 344 | June 21, 2024 11:55 PM |
Thank you R345 - too bad John Daly never came back as a mystery guest. He seemed to have disappeared from public view.
by Anonymous | reply 347 | June 22, 2024 5:19 AM |
R347, He took part in the WML? 25th anniversary special in 1975.
by Anonymous | reply 348 | June 22, 2024 7:03 AM |
John did come back, in 1975, to co-host, with Arlene, a 25th anniversary show on ABC's Wide World of Entertainment, a late night show that ran for three years.
by Anonymous | reply 349 | June 22, 2024 11:36 AM |
Thank you, R349.
by Anonymous | reply 350 | June 22, 2024 1:06 PM |
I read somewhere - maybe DL - that Arlene's barbell death settlement cost her $200K which was an absolute fortune in the early 1960s.
Even, assuming insurance coverage, this had to hurt and explains why she continued with the syndicated run of the show for its entirety - she needed the money.
by Anonymous | reply 351 | June 22, 2024 4:32 PM |
It's amusing how people speak of Arlene Francis and Dorothy Kilgallen as if they were intellectuals.
by Anonymous | reply 352 | June 22, 2024 6:08 PM |
R348 R349 Do you expect us to watch an hour-long show?
by Anonymous | reply 353 | June 22, 2024 6:10 PM |
R352 who here has described Arlene Francis and Dorothy Kilgallen as intellectuals?
by Anonymous | reply 354 | June 22, 2024 6:18 PM |
R354 Didn't someone post that they were above watching things like sitcoms? I mean what reason would that be other than they were too "smart" for them?
by Anonymous | reply 355 | June 22, 2024 6:26 PM |
Judging from some of Arlene's other jobs, such as hosting a chat show and a game show called Blind Date, it seems like she would not be above watching The Andy Griffith Show or keeping up with network TV in general. Arlene was a TV host and panelist (and actress) and her husband was an actor and producer. They were show biz. Not above show biz.
by Anonymous | reply 356 | June 22, 2024 6:34 PM |
[quote]Didn't someone post that they were above watching things like sitcoms?
They were sophisticates, r355, not intellectuals. Their evenings weren't spent sitting at home watching TV.
by Anonymous | reply 357 | June 22, 2024 6:34 PM |
R357 Oh, please. I'm sure they watched TV sometimes like everyone else.
by Anonymous | reply 358 | June 22, 2024 6:36 PM |
Kilgallen wrote about entertainment news (at least partly). She had to know something about what she was writing about and the people she wrote about.
by Anonymous | reply 359 | June 22, 2024 6:39 PM |
R357, Dorothy told mystery guest Shirley Booth that she watched “Hazel”.
by Anonymous | reply 360 | June 22, 2024 6:40 PM |
Entertainment news in NYC was also theater, movies and nightclubs.
by Anonymous | reply 361 | June 22, 2024 6:42 PM |
R361 You can't separate them. The same people appeared on 50s TV (and 60s) as appeared in theater, movies, nightclubs. A lot of TV in those days was variety. And a lot of people from nightclubs and theater had TV shows. Phil Silvers, Joey Bishop, and yes even Andy Griffith.
by Anonymous | reply 363 | June 22, 2024 6:48 PM |
Griffith's appearances on Broadway and movies led to his TV show.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | June 22, 2024 6:49 PM |
It's like you're suggesting sophisticated New Yorkers in later times wouldn't have watched Seinfeld or Friends. The old TV sitcoms may seem simple minded to us now but they were very popular then. And these people had kids and must have spent time with them watching television - a major pastime then.
by Anonymous | reply 365 | June 22, 2024 6:51 PM |
The early Andy Griffith, as himself, would often play the hayseed.
by Anonymous | reply 366 | June 22, 2024 6:51 PM |
[quote]You can't separate them.
Of course I can, r363. Theater, movies and nightclubs are mostly evening activities. They aren't watching TV every evening like an average household. Nobody is saying they *never* watched TV.
by Anonymous | reply 367 | June 22, 2024 6:53 PM |
The Andy Griffith Show did not have the same kind of humor as Friends or Seinfeld. I'm not saying it wasn't as good or as funny, just that it had a very different sort of aesthetic, one that I personally can't imagine appealing to the Cerf, Kilgallen or Franics/Gabel households. Nor even to the Cerf and Francis/Gabel sons, if you know anything about them.
by Anonymous | reply 368 | June 22, 2024 7:11 PM |
Was it lowbrow?
by Anonymous | reply 369 | June 22, 2024 7:13 PM |
It was...rural.
by Anonymous | reply 370 | June 22, 2024 7:15 PM |
It was Gold, CBS, Gold!
by Anonymous | reply 371 | June 22, 2024 8:21 PM |
R369 It was a top-ten-ranked show, you really never know what people watch. There was not the same amount of fodder to choose from on TV ten. I would have thought my own mother would not watch Andy Griffith but she watched it. Because it was on. The choices then were SEVERELY limited. And most people - even the exalted What's My Line panel, probably relaxed with a drink in front of the old b&w.
by Anonymous | reply 372 | June 22, 2024 10:03 PM |
The corset buyer in R362 was stacked so it's a surprise she got no wolf whistles.
by Anonymous | reply 373 | June 22, 2024 10:39 PM |
So, I just watched the 1958 and the 1965 Andy Griffith segments.
When he had a hit film playing at Radio City Music Hall, No Time for Sergeants, hardly intellectual fare, in which Andy played a classic hick, the panel had no trouble identifying him in the first round. But when he played a country sheriff on a hit Tv series, not even in its first year, they hadn't a clue and clearly had no idea who ANY of the male TV stars currently in hit sitcoms were, even with the added clue that the series contained his own name.
These people did not watch TV sitcoms, not even guest panelist Steve Allen, apparently. Their guesses: Joey Bishop, Steve Lawrence and Arhtur Godfrey, said a lot about their TV viewing habits.
by Anonymous | reply 374 | June 22, 2024 11:18 PM |
The hit film was from the hit Broadway play which he had won a Tony award for, r374.
by Anonymous | reply 375 | June 22, 2024 11:29 PM |
Bennett's widow Phyllis married the former New York City mayor Robert F. Wagner.
Like Jackie On Assistance, she had no use for widowhood and got right back in the game with a powerful new man.
by Anonymous | reply 376 | June 23, 2024 3:34 AM |
She was a Phyllis not a Sally, r376.
by Anonymous | reply 377 | June 23, 2024 3:37 AM |
SLUTS - both of them.
by Anonymous | reply 378 | June 23, 2024 3:37 AM |
R376 - I think we drowned Phyllis off some boat somewhere but I was too drunk to remember. It was a long time ago.
by Anonymous | reply 379 | June 23, 2024 3:42 AM |
[quote] Even, assuming insurance coverage, this had to hurt and explains why she continued with the syndicated run of the show for its entirety - she needed the money.
R351 Yes, although Arlene also was a self-proclaimed workaholic. I think it may have served the family well because Martin, being an actor and producer, probably had irregular income. He may have done the lion’s share of raising their son Peter, who by many accounts grew up to be a wonderful person who died way too soon.
by Anonymous | reply 380 | June 23, 2024 4:34 AM |
These were people with very active social lives, who dined out every night, went to parties, dinners, night clubs, the theatre, concerts, the opera....they weren't watching The Andy Griffith Show. I would imagine if they knew someone who was performing on The Perry Como Show, or Dinah Shore or Ed Sullivan they might watch it. But sitting through "Pete and Gladys", I just don't think so.
by Anonymous | reply 381 | June 23, 2024 4:34 AM |
R376, Bennett Cerf meets his wife’s future husband.
by Anonymous | reply 382 | June 23, 2024 6:49 AM |
^ I like the two bill collectors.
by Anonymous | reply 385 | June 23, 2024 7:33 AM |
Hmm, spoke too soon. Contradicting what I said at R319, here’s the show from June 5, 1966 with Vince Edwards. They got him at $10, with Arlene saying, “everybody knows the doctor – Dr. Casey ... Vince Edwards." Bennett was clued in by a promo that had run in the Daily News, but Arlene knew without having seen the ad. No surprise that Arlene would know a series with such a handsome star,
Speaking of which, Vince looks good enough to eat here. What a gorgeous man! Ben Casey was a good show; I used to watch it in reruns years after the series ended. I wish they'd remaster it and issue the full series for streaming or on DVD. The DVDs that exist are poor quality and incomplete, and there are only a few episodes on YouTube.
by Anonymous | reply 386 | June 23, 2024 9:23 AM |
R386, Back in the 1960s, you were either Camp Dr. Kildare or Camp Ben Casey.
The media at the time fueled the competition between Richard Chamberlain and Vince Edwards.
by Anonymous | reply 387 | June 23, 2024 2:00 PM |
For a brief number of years in the 1960s, you couldn't be a bigger TV star than Vince Edwards or Richard Chamberlain. Though neither of their shows were geared to teenagers, their hotness had incredible crossover appeal that made them heartthrobs to girls and gaylings around the world. At least, until the Beatles showed up in 1964 with a whole new aesthetic of hotness.
There's a great episode of The Hollywood Palace out there with gorgeous Vince hosting and singing and dancing. Shame that he never trod the boards in a Broadway musical, but maybe Richard Chamberlain's attempt in the notorious flop musical of Breakfast at Tiffany's scared him away. I can't remember ever hearing of Vince doing summer stock either.
by Anonymous | reply 388 | June 23, 2024 2:19 PM |
I’m sure Vince Edwards had fun making this television movie with these four ladies.
by Anonymous | reply 389 | June 23, 2024 2:30 PM |
[quote]The media at the time fueled the competition between Richard Chamberlain and Vince Edwards.
True, everyone knew about those two even without ever watching their shows.
And then there was Mr. Novak
by Anonymous | reply 390 | June 23, 2024 3:08 PM |
"Arlene and these people watched TV - she was too busy dining out every night and going to fancy parties!"
"Arlene liked the TV show Ben Casey. But of course she would, that's different! Vince Edwards was sooo gorgeous."
People who can never be wrong.
by Anonymous | reply 391 | June 23, 2024 3:37 PM |
Imagine a person on a TV show who actually watches other people on TV shows! The mind boggles.
by Anonymous | reply 392 | June 23, 2024 3:38 PM |
R390, Jane Fonda wrote in her autobiography that James Franciscus took her virginity.
by Anonymous | reply 393 | June 23, 2024 4:26 PM |
[quote]Richard Chamberlain's attempt in the notorious flop musical of Breakfast at Tiffany's scared him away.
Hardly, r388.
by Anonymous | reply 394 | June 23, 2024 6:42 PM |
The thing I remember about The Andy Griffith Show was that the town square area had no trees at all.
by Anonymous | reply 395 | June 23, 2024 6:51 PM |
It being a backlot and all…
by Anonymous | reply 396 | June 23, 2024 6:55 PM |
[quote]The media at the time fueled the competition between Richard Chamberlain and Vince Edwards.
And it was started by a woman!!!
by Anonymous | reply 397 | June 23, 2024 8:13 PM |
R388, I was too young at the time to watch either show. My parents watched both. They liked Kildare but they LOVED Casey. It was their favorite show. The couple of times I was allowed to sit up to watch, it felt glamorous to little 8-year-old gayling me.
Anyway, I would have been Team Casey (I have a type), but I prefer even Team Kildare (or Team Novak, R390) to Team Beatles. "The Sixties" - not the actual 10-year span, but the aesthetic - ruined a lot of things, but men's looks would be near the top of the list for me.
by Anonymous | reply 398 | June 23, 2024 8:34 PM |
[qoute]Anyway, I would have been Team Casey (I have a type), but I prefer even Team Kildare (or Team Novak, [R390]) to Team Beatles. "
As a kid I loathed seeing the cool Kennedy-Era men's clothing and hair style give way to the styles popular in the latter half of the decade.
by Anonymous | reply 399 | June 23, 2024 9:57 PM |
[quote]Anyway, I would have been Team Casey (I have a type), but I prefer even Team Kildare (or Team Novak, [[R390]]) to Team Beatles. "
As a kid I loathed seeing the cool Kennedy-Era men's clothing and hair style give way to the styles popular in the latter half of the decade.
by Anonymous | reply 400 | June 23, 2024 9:58 PM |
I'm telling you, r399, I didn't get a lot of wear out of my Nehru jacket.
by Anonymous | reply 401 | June 23, 2024 10:06 PM |
When I was in the 7th grade and Kildare and Casey premiered on TV (yes, I'm ancient), practically every girl in my class had a white cotton high-collared doctor smock that was fashioned as a teen blouse that they'd wear to school every day. IIRC most of the girls preferred Kildare but I was Casey all the way. I seem to remember Vince Edwards often unbuttoning the top buttons of his smock to show some swarthy chest hair but that may have just been in my wet dreams.
I don't know why it took network execs until 1961 to figure out that there were huge audiences clamoring for an hour-long drama series set in a metropolitan hospital starring a handsome hunk discovery paired with a familiar character actor/mentor figure.
Those two shows were quickly followed by a series called The Nurses starring tough Shirl Conway as the head nurse and Zina Bethune as the ingenue nurse-in-training. Without a signature hunk, it sputtered along and eventually became The Doctors and the Nurses, but I'd stopped watching and can't remember who the cast additions were.
By 1963, I was on to Mr. Novak, about a fledgling high school teacher, mentored by an older principal, played respectively by James Franciscus and Dean Jagger. Crazy for Franciscus but I don't remember the series ever having quite the cultural impact or immense popularity of Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey. And Franciscus never appeared on WML.
by Anonymous | reply 402 | June 23, 2024 10:19 PM |
"Plain and Fancy" was co-produced by Dorothy's husband.
by Anonymous | reply 405 | June 23, 2024 10:45 PM |
Penis head? Headless with penis….
by Anonymous | reply 407 | June 23, 2024 11:16 PM |
Vince Edwards did nude "physique" modeling when he was younger.
by Anonymous | reply 408 | June 24, 2024 12:10 AM |
by Anonymous | reply 409 | June 24, 2024 12:32 AM |
^ Bless her heart.
by Anonymous | reply 412 | June 24, 2024 1:29 AM |
r394, sadly, by the time Richard Chamberlain starred in those Broadway revivals, Vince Edwards was long dead and unable to tread any boards, on Broadway or elsewhere.
by Anonymous | reply 413 | June 24, 2024 1:41 AM |
R402, Mr Novak was only on for two seasons, from 1963 to 1965. Casey and Kildare were both on for five seasons, from 1961 to 1966. That would be one reason they had more cultural impact. The other would be that medical shows lend themselves so well to high drama and melodrama. I haven’t seen Dr Kildare in decades, but Ben Casey episodes were often dark and sad, packing a big emotional punch. Because Ben was a neurosurgeon, they often dealt with cancer, which was not a common topic on TV in those days.
Since we’re in the neighborhood, here’s the episode where Richard Chamberlain appeared with Raymond Massey, who played Kildare’s boss, Dr. Gillespie.
by Anonymous | reply 415 | June 24, 2024 8:47 AM |
[quote] sadly, by the time Richard Chamberlain starred in those Broadway revivals, Vince Edwards was long dead and unable to tread any boards, on Broadway or elsewhere.
He didn't die until 1996.
by Anonymous | reply 416 | June 24, 2024 10:24 AM |
Dr Kildare was in color and Ben Casey was in b/w.....
by Anonymous | reply 417 | June 24, 2024 2:18 PM |
R417, “Dr. Kildare” ran for five(5) seasons. Only the fifth season was in color.
by Anonymous | reply 418 | June 24, 2024 3:34 PM |
Based on R410 I was going to claim that Vince is a better singer than an actor but he hits a few bum notes.
by Anonymous | reply 419 | June 24, 2024 4:26 PM |
R420, Their crackers are the best.
by Anonymous | reply 421 | June 25, 2024 9:57 AM |
Dorothy, Rock and Tallulah at the premiere of “Pillow Talk” in 1959.
by Anonymous | reply 422 | June 25, 2024 10:00 AM |
I was going to say, what a shame Rock never appeared as the MG on WML but then remembered we addressed that 4 threads ago. At least I think we did.
by Anonymous | reply 424 | June 25, 2024 12:48 PM |
r424...we did.
by Anonymous | reply 425 | June 25, 2024 6:03 PM |
His voice is distinctive even just mmm-ing yes and no.
by Anonymous | reply 427 | June 25, 2024 8:12 PM |
Andy Robustelli, the doll importer, has a sexy ugly thing going on.
by Anonymous | reply 429 | June 25, 2024 9:44 PM |
I'd bet with modern grooming and health habits Andy would be very hot today.
by Anonymous | reply 430 | June 25, 2024 10:51 PM |
By that you mean plucked eyebrows and shaved pubes and bleached hole?
Asking for John Daly’s ghost.
by Anonymous | reply 431 | June 25, 2024 11:31 PM |
It's funny, I've been a huge fan of these WML clips since they first appeared on youtube 20 or so years ago and have watched them all many times. But I've finally become a bit bored and impatient with the earlier years, say to about 1957.
I hate the walk of shame to the panel, I hate the free guesses, I hate Hal Block and kinda hate Fred Allen. The show for me didn't really get going until Fred died. Of course, there are exceptions.
by Anonymous | reply 433 | June 26, 2024 1:43 AM |
R432 reveals Arlene wears false teeth.
by Anonymous | reply 434 | June 26, 2024 1:44 AM |
This may be heresy on DL, but I much prefer the network run of To Tell the Truth.
by Anonymous | reply 435 | June 26, 2024 1:52 AM |
Heretic!
by Anonymous | reply 436 | June 26, 2024 2:10 AM |
What a wonderful moment when the audience tells Arlene she has guessed the motorcycle cop right.
by Anonymous | reply 438 | June 27, 2024 3:45 AM |
I love Arlene's singular ear bob and matching barrette. I'm not sure that's a style that ever caught on but then, I guess it would require an asymmetrical hairdo to work effectively.
by Anonymous | reply 439 | June 27, 2024 2:41 PM |
Arlene Francis for S&H Green Stamps!
Mr. C introduces her at 41:00
by Anonymous | reply 440 | June 30, 2024 3:37 AM |
The hypnotist is handsome.
by Anonymous | reply 444 | July 2, 2024 1:14 AM |
OMG, that hypnotist fellow Steve Ellis at the end of r442 was movie star gorgeous! I wish he'd appeared earlier before they ran out of time.
I can only think Arlene must have thought he was gay and thus restrained her flirting.
by Anonymous | reply 445 | July 2, 2024 1:28 AM |
R442 is the first time I have seen someone guess right in the wild guesses for the Slot Machine Repairman.
by Anonymous | reply 446 | July 2, 2024 1:30 AM |
I believe this is Steve Ellis, the former hypnotist. He became an author on paranormal and later a probate referee. If he's still alive he has to be around 90.
by Anonymous | reply 447 | July 2, 2024 2:06 AM |
Wow! Great find, r447. And with a wife and 3 children perhaps he was straight after all.
by Anonymous | reply 448 | July 2, 2024 2:16 AM |
In his memoir “Dropped Names”, Frank Langella writes of Tony Perkins visiting him in his Lincoln Center dressing room in 1968.
While chatting, Frank mentioned that people told him he looked like a younger Tony Perkins. Tony said he didn’t see the resemblance and then asked Frank “How big is your cock?”.
For the rest of the visit, Tony was making it clear that he would like to have sex with Frank, but it didn’t happen.
by Anonymous | reply 452 | July 6, 2024 7:08 PM |
r448 Based on his favorite movies and his choice of music, I'd say that was questionable.
And while he might like Hemingway, he can't spell it.
by Anonymous | reply 453 | July 6, 2024 7:27 PM |
Zsa Zsa is a sturdy gal. Must be all that goulash.
by Anonymous | reply 454 | July 7, 2024 12:06 AM |
R453 Gee, my dad listened to Sinatra, Dick Haymes, Crosby, and loved the listen to Fiddler On the Roof. Guess he was a homo.
by Anonymous | reply 455 | July 7, 2024 12:23 AM |
We need some new clips of sexy MGs from the 50s and 60s if we're to keep this thread going!
by Anonymous | reply 456 | July 7, 2024 12:47 PM |
We are told Dorothy has been selected as one of America's best dressed women. But they must have decided that before seeing her ice cream dress here.
by Anonymous | reply 458 | July 8, 2024 1:36 AM |
[quote]Gee, my dad listened to Sinatra, Dick Haymes, Crosby, and loved the listen to Fiddler On the Roof. Guess he was a homo.
The rest of us have known for quite some time.
by Anonymous | reply 459 | July 8, 2024 2:06 AM |
When I heard my father was in the South Pacific theater I thought he had been a chorus boy.
by Anonymous | reply 460 | July 8, 2024 4:49 AM |
Sinatra, Crosby, Rodgers and Hammerstein--all flaming queens.
by Anonymous | reply 462 | July 8, 2024 4:52 PM |
R461, Gary Cooper greeting Tony Perkins wasn’t very cordial, considering they made “Friendly Persuasion” together.
by Anonymous | reply 463 | July 8, 2024 5:00 PM |
[quote]Gary Cooper greeting Tony Perkins wasn’t very cordial, considering they made “Friendly Persuasion” together.
R463 Look again. Very cordial.
by Anonymous | reply 464 | July 8, 2024 5:11 PM |
Sorry, R464, that wasn’t my idea of a warm greeting between former co-stars.
by Anonymous | reply 465 | July 8, 2024 5:30 PM |
R465 Cooper takes Tony's hand in both of his, does some kind of friendly gesture and Tony smiles, I don't know what you're seeing.
by Anonymous | reply 467 | July 8, 2024 6:47 PM |
I would guess the Arkansas Justice of the Peace in R466 did her own hair and made her dress. O boy.
by Anonymous | reply 468 | July 8, 2024 6:49 PM |
Technically they worked together but Cooper was the star of Friendly Persuasion and Perkins was a below-the-title supporting actor. Not that would matter in a greeting.
by Anonymous | reply 469 | July 8, 2024 6:50 PM |
R469, They played father and son and Tony was Oscar nominated.
by Anonymous | reply 470 | July 8, 2024 8:05 PM |
R467, I saw a very tepid greeting between two former co-stars.
Compare it to Hayley Mills greeting Joanna Barnes, both having co-starred in “The Parent Trap”.
by Anonymous | reply 471 | July 8, 2024 8:09 PM |
So, r471, Gary wasn't girly enough for you?
by Anonymous | reply 472 | July 8, 2024 8:13 PM |
No, but I imagine you are, R472.
by Anonymous | reply 473 | July 8, 2024 8:15 PM |
[quote]No, but I imagine you are, [R472].
If you *only* knew, r473...giggle.
by Anonymous | reply 474 | July 8, 2024 8:23 PM |
In R451 feel sorry for the dumpy female air force sergeant having to follow the Swedish correspondent in the skintight dress.
by Anonymous | reply 475 | July 9, 2024 12:00 AM |
By the last season of the original WML run, would you say that it had become difficult to get A list stars to appear as MGs?
by Anonymous | reply 476 | July 9, 2024 12:21 AM |
R476, Steve McQueen, Raquel Welch, Sean Connery, Judy Garland, etc. all appeared in 1967.
by Anonymous | reply 477 | July 9, 2024 4:17 AM |
R470 t Cooper was the star of Friendly Persuasion and Perkins was a below-the-title supporting actor.
by Anonymous | reply 478 | July 9, 2024 4:55 AM |
So, r478?
by Anonymous | reply 479 | July 9, 2024 5:01 AM |
R479 Meaning, what R470 said doesn't alter what I originally said.
Anyway, I have to agree to disagree about the "greeting" which seemed friendly--I think you (if it was you) are trying to read some malice or indifference into Cooper's attitude that I don't see, for your own reasons. What else was Coop supposed to do? He smiled, clasped Tony's hand in both of his for a second, body language was relaxed and casual.
by Anonymous | reply 480 | July 9, 2024 5:10 AM |
R478 is obviously a fucking moron and I doubt if she has seen “Friendly Persuasion”.
Cooper and Perkins not only played father and son, they had numerous scenes together.
by Anonymous | reply 481 | July 9, 2024 6:34 AM |
Stop embarrassing yourself, R480.
by Anonymous | reply 482 | July 9, 2024 6:37 AM |
R480, The trailer for “Friendly Persuasion” gave Perkins equal “starring” billing to Cooper and McGuire.
by Anonymous | reply 483 | July 9, 2024 6:52 AM |
R481 I've seen Friendly Persuasion numerous times. That's how I know Cooper is billed solely above the title. The moron is the person who called them "co-stars".. I also happen to know (have read) Cooper was not that fond of Tony on set asking him about what Hollywood was like in "the old days." It was the first time Cooper had played a dad of older kids and he was self-conscious about getting older.
At any rate, as I said, the billing is not relevant to the point, but Cooper and Perkins were hardly equals in the entertainment world. Cooper was one of the major stars of the time. Like Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart, and Katharine Hepburn. Tony Perkins was young, a box office sensation for a few years, and a star, always well known--but never as popular or beloved (or payed as well) as Gary Cooper.
Finally, you call me a fucking moron but still haven't described what you feel was dismissive about Cooper's "warmth" towards Perkins (which btw I haven't seen anyone else agree with). You just say vaguely that it wasn't what you thought it would or should be.
by Anonymous | reply 486 | July 9, 2024 6:37 PM |
Oh, look!, R486.
Anthony Perkins was billed ABOVE the title, along with Gary Cooper.
by Anonymous | reply 487 | July 9, 2024 7:05 PM |
The online copy of the film I watched has Gary Cooper credited alone above the title. Anthony is billed 3rd below the title.
by Anonymous | reply 488 | July 9, 2024 11:44 PM |
With Dorothy as the MG. It's moving to hear how the audience seems to love her.
by Anonymous | reply 490 | July 9, 2024 11:58 PM |
Maybe over the title but on the same line as Marjorie Main hardly ranks as top-drawer.
by Anonymous | reply 491 | July 10, 2024 3:05 AM |
Some of you have a very strange notion of friendships and relationships on film sets. As actors (and crew) move from film to film and set to set they understand that the closeness and intimacy is very fleeting.
by Anonymous | reply 492 | July 10, 2024 3:11 AM |
Dorothy was sooooooo nervous as the MG, all the way until she left the stage.
by Anonymous | reply 493 | July 10, 2024 3:17 AM |
You'd be nervous too if Debbie Reynolds was trying to look up your dress.
by Anonymous | reply 494 | July 10, 2024 3:32 AM |
Debbie seemed to know it was Dorothy before the round started.
by Anonymous | reply 495 | July 10, 2024 3:38 AM |
R492, Not true at all, especially in the days of the studio system, where the same crews were used repeatedly.
Countless friendships and relationships,, both platonic and romantic, were formed while making movies, some even resulting in marriages.
by Anonymous | reply 496 | July 10, 2024 5:27 AM |
Gary's relationship with Tony was strained after Gary told him he could not show his legendary endowment since he had said the same to Robert Middleton.
by Anonymous | reply 497 | July 10, 2024 8:41 AM |
R497, Tony Perkins was no slouch when it came to endowments, according to multiple sources.
by Anonymous | reply 498 | July 10, 2024 9:38 AM |
R487 Re-lease poster. Psycho was released in 1960, FP in 1956.
by Anonymous | reply 499 | July 10, 2024 11:48 AM |
William Wyler actually had his heart set on casting Gary Cooper and Katharine Hepburn in Friendly Persuasion, but I forget why Hepburn couldn't or didn't choose to do it, He considered several other actresses, even testing a couple (Maureen O'Hara, Eleanor Parker). Dorothy McGuire eventually got the part, though Cooper was not keen on her. She didn't receive billing over the title with him. Later though he admitted he was wrong about her.
by Anonymous | reply 500 | July 10, 2024 11:57 AM |
I don't know if Cooper liked Perkins but he was fond of Tab Hunter (who at the time I think was Tony's ex) on They Came To Cordura.
by Anonymous | reply 501 | July 10, 2024 11:58 AM |
Phot of Cooper and his wife, Jimmy and Gloria Stewart, and Maria Cooper with (her date) Tony.
by Anonymous | reply 502 | July 10, 2024 12:01 PM |
*photo
by Anonymous | reply 503 | July 10, 2024 12:02 PM |
r496, the great majority of those marriages that were sparked by on set affairs didn't last long and neither did a lot of those friendships. Though, of course, some did.
Gary Cooper began making films in the late 1920s and 30 some years later, Tony Perkins was just a pleasant young fellow with whom he spent a couple of months making another film. Besides which, I think his parting greeting to Tony on WML was perfectly respectable.
by Anonymous | reply 504 | July 10, 2024 12:06 PM |
Let's say you're someone like a builder who comes into contact with people for a couple of months, then goes on to the next job. How many of those people do you become close to, or vice-versa? That's what being an actor can be like.
by Anonymous | reply 505 | July 10, 2024 1:21 PM |
R505, The Hollywood/movie industry is a very tight knit group, especially years ago.
Actors found themselves working with many of the same people in film after film. Some directors even had “stock companies” of actors they cast repeatedly.
Socially, they would also see each other often, either at parties or industry events such as awards shows.
by Anonymous | reply 506 | July 10, 2024 1:36 PM |
And I still don't see anything Cooper did in greeting Tony that wasn't warm or friendly...
by Anonymous | reply 507 | July 10, 2024 1:42 PM |
R507, Check out how warmly Horst Buchholz greeted former “One, Two, Three” co-star Arlene Francis @ 22:15.
by Anonymous | reply 508 | July 10, 2024 2:06 PM |
Horst Bucholtz was such a beautiful man in his prime.
by Anonymous | reply 509 | July 10, 2024 3:38 PM |
Horst was bi-leaning-to-gay, and I could cry when I think of all the guys who must've had him (and I wasn't one of them)...
by Anonymous | reply 510 | July 10, 2024 7:44 PM |
The R508 episode has a very funny exchange though the audience doesn't laugh. When Dorothy is trying to guess the mushroom picker she asks, "What have I just found out? and Martin comments, "That you're going to get a no."
by Anonymous | reply 512 | July 10, 2024 11:43 PM |
R508 That's nice. They're of the opposite sex. He's younger than her. Did you expect Gary Cooper to kiss Anthony Perkins on both cheeks?
by Anonymous | reply 513 | July 11, 2024 3:55 PM |
I would've wanted Horst Bucholz to greet me with surprise anal.
by Anonymous | reply 514 | July 11, 2024 8:13 PM |
Looks like "What's My Line?" loved Tony Perkins.
by Anonymous | reply 517 | July 12, 2024 4:12 AM |
And Zsa Zsa!
by Anonymous | reply 518 | July 12, 2024 2:01 PM |
Zsa Zsa's behavior in R516 is bizarre and it looks like she is wearing a Korean wig.
by Anonymous | reply 519 | July 13, 2024 12:40 AM |
[quote]Did you expect Gary Cooper to kiss Anthony Perkins on both cheeks?
All four would have been nice, r513.
by Anonymous | reply 520 | July 13, 2024 12:46 AM |
Mystery Guest Mamie Van Doren. Sorry if this has already been posted.
Mamie is still with us. The year here is 1957. I wonder if that makes her the earliest Mystery Guest still alive.
Also of note: John Daly mentions her husband Ray Anthony. He's also still with us. Born in 1922.
by Anonymous | reply 521 | July 13, 2024 1:45 AM |
Thanks R522
by Anonymous | reply 523 | July 13, 2024 1:59 AM |
Poof! There goes Dorothy Kilgallen!
by Anonymous | reply 525 | July 13, 2024 7:27 AM |
Robert Wagner is hilarious (and adorable) in his MG appearance. He never got a chance to be that funny as a young actor.
by Anonymous | reply 527 | July 13, 2024 1:07 PM |
He was certainly hilarious in bed!
by Anonymous | reply 529 | July 13, 2024 2:54 PM |
Not very hilarious on water, R529.
by Anonymous | reply 530 | July 13, 2024 3:27 PM |
Jeannie Carson is still around. 98 years old.
by Anonymous | reply 531 | July 13, 2024 4:12 PM |
When did Johnny transition?
by Anonymous | reply 532 | July 13, 2024 8:00 PM |
For a number of years in the 1980s/90s, Jeannie Carson and her husband actor Biff McGuire lived in Seattle and would often act in plays at Seattle Rep. I remember seeing Biff as Big Daddy and Jeannie as Ariel.
by Anonymous | reply 533 | July 13, 2024 10:19 PM |
[quote]I remember seeing Biff as Big Daddy and Jeannie as Ariel.
What were they starring in-- "Little Mermaid on a Hot Tin Roof?"
by Anonymous | reply 534 | July 13, 2024 10:35 PM |
and Steve Allen.
The honey salesman is a honey.
by Anonymous | reply 536 | July 14, 2024 1:24 AM |
Edie reminds me a little of Marilyn Monroe.
by Anonymous | reply 538 | July 15, 2024 12:50 AM |
Edie was famous for her MM impersonations on hubby Ernie Kovacs' TV shows.
by Anonymous | reply 539 | July 15, 2024 12:55 AM |
It's fun to imagine that hot honey salesman with today's better grooming products. He had very wide shoulders.
by Anonymous | reply 540 | July 15, 2024 12:56 AM |
Edie is utterly adorable in that clip! What a beauty! What a talent.
This must have been after she was widowed by Ernie Kovacs as he had often appeared on the panel but wasn't mentioned by anyone after her identity was revealed. I really wish I could have seen her perform in RAIN in Warren, Ohio that summer of '63.
by Anonymous | reply 541 | July 15, 2024 1:19 AM |
After Monroes's death Edie told her make-up man to give her the full Marylin.
by Anonymous | reply 542 | July 15, 2024 1:42 AM |
R541, Kovacs died in a car crash in LA on January 13, 1962. I enjoyed his appearances on WML despite the chaos he often created.
by Anonymous | reply 543 | July 15, 2024 7:13 AM |
I thought it odd that JCD didn't say to Edie something along the lines of: "We all just want to offer you our condolences on the recent passing of our dear friend Ernie who often joined us as a panelist on our show."
I don't mean this to sound like a criticism of JCD but more as an observation based on watching him all those years.
by Anonymous | reply 545 | July 15, 2024 1:32 PM |
Jane Russell was a tall gal.
by Anonymous | reply 547 | July 16, 2024 3:03 AM |
Full-figured! In the best sense.
by Anonymous | reply 548 | July 16, 2024 3:53 AM |
Jane Russell was 5' 7" but in those days that was a tall woman.
by Anonymous | reply 550 | July 16, 2024 3:08 PM |
"The two and only Jane Russell"
by Anonymous | reply 551 | July 16, 2024 3:09 PM |
Was Jane's husband a star football player or just a player?
by Anonymous | reply 552 | July 16, 2024 5:22 PM |
As I recall, R552, Bob Waterfield, Mr. Jane Russell, was the star quarterback of the LA Rams.
by Anonymous | reply 553 | July 16, 2024 6:01 PM |
Jane replaced Elaine Stritch in Company on Broadway in 1971.
by Anonymous | reply 554 | July 16, 2024 6:53 PM |
“Two months after the divorce from Waterfield, Russell married actor Roger Barrett who died of a heart attack only two months later in November 1968.“
by Anonymous | reply 555 | July 16, 2024 6:56 PM |
Wasn't Jane Russell once married to a movie stunt man who had an awful on set accident?
by Anonymous | reply 556 | July 16, 2024 7:12 PM |
R556, Yvonne De Carlo
by Anonymous | reply 557 | July 16, 2024 7:37 PM |
Jane Russell was once married to Yvonne De Carlo?
by Anonymous | reply 558 | July 16, 2024 7:51 PM |
Yvonne was married to stuntman Bob Morgan.
Morgan was seriously injured and almost died while performing a stunt in the film How the West Was Won (1962). Toward the end of the film, there is a gunfight on a moving train between the marshal and a gang of train robbers. Doubling for the actor who played the marshal, Morgan was told to hold on to a log and sway between two flatcars, one of them carrying several tons of timber. The chains holding the logs together snapped, and Morgan was crushed by the falling logs. He was so badly hurt it took him five years to recover to the point where he was able to move by himself and walk unaided.
by Anonymous | reply 559 | July 16, 2024 8:36 PM |
The racehorse buyer and seller in R546 is as big as a horse.
by Anonymous | reply 560 | July 16, 2024 10:34 PM |
And she didn't know how they keep score! I hate when that happens.
by Anonymous | reply 561 | July 16, 2024 11:55 PM |
I always wondered if they have a dress rehearsal with the guests. I have to laugh when someone comes out and has to be directed to the blackboard to sign in.
by Anonymous | reply 562 | July 17, 2024 3:36 AM |
R562, at some point, they must have started giving instructions to contestants and guests before the show because JCD stops asking them if they know how the score is kept, but no one seems puzzled or uncertain about it It would be an easy thing to do to avoid that "do you know how we keep score" delay.
by Anonymous | reply 563 | July 17, 2024 6:20 AM |
R563, I think of that "useless" chat as a simple icebreaker. Other than the mystery guests, those people weren't accustomed to being on television. Most were incredibly nervous. One of John Daly's strengths was his ability to calm folks down and help them through the "ordeal" of appearing on live TV. I don't think he ever got enough credit for that.
by Anonymous | reply 565 | July 17, 2024 6:45 PM |
And the poor lady contestants were cursed with the questions: Will they whistle for me? What if they don't whistle for me? Nerve wracking!
by Anonymous | reply 566 | July 17, 2024 8:56 PM |
The weird and particularly distasteful aspect of those whistles and cat calls was the way they'd often start very gradually and almost hesitatingly, as if some letch thought he could get away with them. I always wondered if it was Johnny Olsen who'd start them. It's cringe worthy now but I always thought as a kid watching WML it was cringe worthy back then.
by Anonymous | reply 567 | July 17, 2024 9:01 PM |
R567 I don't see anything wrong with them, in that context.
by Anonymous | reply 568 | July 17, 2024 11:11 PM |
[quote]as if some letch thought he could get away with them
The wolf-whistles are playful. They are good natured. They are of the era.
by Anonymous | reply 569 | July 17, 2024 11:17 PM |
I befriended a former contestant some 40 years after her mid-60s appearance. She made some comment about how attractive she was then. I didn't have the heart to offer a dissenting view.
by Anonymous | reply 570 | July 17, 2024 11:21 PM |
Please
by Anonymous | reply 571 | July 17, 2024 11:31 PM |
Kill
by Anonymous | reply 572 | July 17, 2024 11:31 PM |
This
by Anonymous | reply 573 | July 17, 2024 11:32 PM |
Ungodly
by Anonymous | reply 574 | July 17, 2024 11:40 PM |
Irrelevant
by Anonymous | reply 575 | July 17, 2024 11:40 PM |
Well, did they like Dorothy Kilgallen or not?
by Anonymous | reply 576 | July 18, 2024 12:13 AM |
Still to be determined, R576.
by Anonymous | reply 577 | July 18, 2024 12:54 AM |
We will deal with that issue in Part 7.
by Anonymous | reply 578 | July 18, 2024 1:13 AM |
What if they DID like her and OP has been misguided all these years?
by Anonymous | reply 579 | July 18, 2024 1:23 AM |
Also, these posts have been going on for so long… do we know if OP is still alive?
Six consecutive threads can take a toll on an old gal.
by Anonymous | reply 580 | July 18, 2024 1:26 AM |
OP died not long after Dorothy was taken from us.
by Anonymous | reply 581 | July 18, 2024 1:49 AM |
I love the way Dorothy enters with her little curtsey. I've been trying to copy it for when I enter a crowded room.
by Anonymous | reply 582 | July 18, 2024 1:52 AM |
I hear you, R582. I now have a fixation for introducing the person on my left...
by Anonymous | reply 583 | July 18, 2024 2:55 AM |
582 As long as the room isn't the biker bar out on the highway.
by Anonymous | reply 586 | July 18, 2024 4:21 AM |
It appears Eddie Cantor's first appearance in 1952 is lost.
by Anonymous | reply 587 | July 18, 2024 11:31 AM |
R587, Eddie Cantor had a rather lengthy affair with Jacqueline Susann.
by Anonymous | reply 588 | July 18, 2024 11:38 AM |
No wonder she was so crabby.
by Anonymous | reply 589 | July 18, 2024 1:57 PM |
r590, that must have been a tough week to find celebs.
by Anonymous | reply 593 | July 19, 2024 1:21 PM |
Carol Morris' painted eyebrows are distracting me.
by Anonymous | reply 595 | July 20, 2024 2:40 AM |
The mosquito counter's jacket is rather candy-store.
by Anonymous | reply 597 | July 20, 2024 2:48 AM |
Haha Arlene comments on the jacket.
by Anonymous | reply 598 | July 20, 2024 9:12 AM |
Kill
by Anonymous | reply 599 | July 20, 2024 12:51 PM |
This thread now!
by Anonymous | reply 600 | July 20, 2024 12:51 PM |