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With Love, Mommie Dearest

This book is fantastic. I just finished it. Very detailed and well researched.

One of the highlights was an extensive interview with Mara Hobel, who, I was pleasantly surprised to learn, has nothing but good memories of her experience.

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by Anonymousreply 102June 15, 2024 1:35 PM

Some quotes from Mara about Faye

Mara Hobel remembered: "There’s one shot where they had, like, a mannequin or—I don’t know what it was. It wasn’t human and it wasn’t me! But for all the other shots it was me. They just layered my back in a thick suede or a leather and cotton, and then they put a T-shirt over me, and then my wardrobe. And then there was a comforter that she had pulled off during that tussle, and that’s where you see the hanger hitting. Although I didn’t feel the sting on my back, I could feel the thumping of the hanger on my back, but no pain. Unfortunately, my tush was not covered and she got me there once, but that’s okay, you know. It happens. The same thing happened with the scissors too."

by Anonymousreply 1May 8, 2024 1:11 AM

With her stamina and detachment, too bad she grew too fat for "The Last Days of Anne Frank."

by Anonymousreply 2May 8, 2024 1:34 AM

I wonder what Mara had to say about working on Roseanne, and how it compared to working with Faye.

by Anonymousreply 3May 8, 2024 2:41 AM

There is one revealing line of improvised dialogue in this scene referencing Joan Crawford’s own childhood that echoes the abuse she herself might have experienced. Faye, wielding the offending wire hanger, utters a mile-a-minute torrent of words:

“Your room looks like a cheap two-dollar-a-week furnished room in some two-bit backstreet town in Oklahoma!” Mara Hobel’s shrieks almost drown out the line, rendering it almost subliminal. No matter. It’s certainly there in spirit, even if inaudible. It’s the only allusion in the movie to what Joan might have experienced as a child.

by Anonymousreply 4May 8, 2024 3:15 AM

The props department was really trying to come up with these hangers because, at the time, those were thick, black wire hangers. They’re not like the wire hangers that we had in the eighties. So they tried to come up with one that was a little bit softer, and I remember the first couple of takes that we did, when she struck me with it, the whole hanger bent and curved around my back. It was very funny."

"And then they went with a standard hanger, and that’s when they decided to layer me so that they could actually strike me but it wouldn’t hurt. It would just be like a thumping."

by Anonymousreply 5May 8, 2024 3:19 AM

In the ‘wire coat hanger’ scene where Crawford goes crazy and mercilessly beats the young Christina, actress Dunaway balked. She couldn’t bring herself to carry through on the physical violence and rage. Every time Perry tried to film the scene, Faye drew back from thrashing the little girl."

"Finally, the desperate director had a form of Mara Hobel’s body made and dressed it in her pajamas. He called in Faye’s stand-in and had her beat the dummy while Mara cried and sobbed off screen. Perry was nervous about showing Faye the final result last week [in late August or early September, 1981], but the star left the screening room in a thoughtful mood. She said at last, ‘Frank, you were absolutely right. I was wrong. The scene had to be like that!’”

The idea that Faye was holding back the cruelty in the wire hangers scene seems unfathomable to viewers watching the finished movie today, yet that is indeed what happened on the set.

“It was very difficult to shoot,” Jonathan Zimbert remembered, “because Faye understood very well that that character would be seen, a hundred percent, as a monster if she were aggressively to do what was scripted. And so she held back. It was more comical [on the set] than it exists [on-screen]. And she wouldn’t do it, despite encouraging and encouraging and some more encouraging. Eventually, after she was done, there were some inserts done which look kind of hokey because the angles are a little off, but some of it’s in the movie."

“It’s the same with the Bon Ami can. She waves it around in the air. She’s supposed to clock the kid with it, but she just waves it around in the air. She shied away from painting the character so much of a monster.”

by Anonymousreply 6May 8, 2024 3:21 AM

Some other interesting revelations:

- The film is often taken more seriously in Europe, especially when dubbed into other languages.

- Frank Yablans admitted in an unpublished autobiography that he felt he could “exploit the hell” out of the book, but offered Christina a very sincere sales pitch.

- Christina’s husband kept the film’s reception from her for a while, as she was recovering from her stroke. But she lost faith very early on in production that it’d turn out to her liking.

- Mel Brooks was apparently a major factor in Anne Bancroft dropping out. He foresaw early on that actually seeing the events described in the book could come across unintentionally comedic.

- It wasn’t just the film that was popular with the gays. When the book came out, busses in gay districts were often a sea of the red book jacket.

- When shooting the scene between Joan and Greg on the beach, a $50,000 brooch fell off Dunaway’s scarf. Most of the crew skipped lunch to search the beach with metal detectors, while the guards protecting the loaned jewellery tore apart Dunaway’s trailer thinking she might’ve stolen it. The brooch was never found, likely washed out with the tide, putting the film over budget on the very first day of filming.

by Anonymousreply 7May 8, 2024 5:26 AM

I just bought the Kindle.

It was very good, though any book about this topic suffers from Faye not speaking about it. I felt a wee bit at the end it was repeating itself a bit and/or that the author was going out of his way to try to understand Faye's cuntitude and/or Joan's cuntitude.

But yes, it was otherwise well done and well researched. I read Rutanya's book but I felt like this covered some new ground.

by Anonymousreply 8May 17, 2024 4:24 AM

When shooting a fight scene between Joan and a random lover that was ultimately cut, the guy playing the part accidentally really slugged Dunaway, and some of the crew APPLAUDED him. Dunaway stormed off and the producer had to rip them new ones before she’d come back.

by Anonymousreply 9May 17, 2024 6:47 AM

Mara Hobel has nice things to say about Joan.

Diana Scarwid......does not.

by Anonymousreply 10May 18, 2024 3:33 AM

I do love that the FIRST fucking thing they say about Scarwid in this book is what EVERYONE notices......that she becomes, as I used to call her, Suddenly Southern Christina.

by Anonymousreply 11May 18, 2024 3:33 AM

Tks OP. Just ordered it. ♥

by Anonymousreply 12May 18, 2024 3:38 AM

One goof I noticed was when he described the Sunset Boulevard incident. He said she was fired in 1996 when it was actually 1994.

by Anonymousreply 13May 18, 2024 6:32 AM

It was interesting to learn that when the costumes arrived from Europe, they were tailored to Ann Bancroft’s measurements and had to be redone for Dunaway. This is said to be the reason for the slightly boxy cut of the “Barbara Please!” suit.

Goes to show just how long Bancroft was attached to the picture.

by Anonymousreply 14May 18, 2024 6:47 AM

[quote]When shooting a fight scene between Joan and a random lover that was ultimately cut, the guy playing the part accidentally really slugged Dunaway, and some of the crew APPLAUDED him.

LOVE this!

by Anonymousreply 15May 18, 2024 12:27 PM

R14 I think in this book there's a sentence saying she was attached in some way for thirteen months, and it was only as filming drew closer that she withdrew.

by Anonymousreply 16May 18, 2024 1:20 PM

When you factor in Joan’s history of being abused as a child, and the fact that child abuse was never talked about back then, there’s just no way Joan Crawford struggled to be an appropriate disciplinarian at best, or at worst, was downright cruel to her oldest two children. Add to the fact that Christina and Christopher came in and grew up during a very rough patch in Joan’s career, in an industry that was ruthless towards women, I could imagine Joan wound using her kids as punching bags. There have also been several testimonies that highlight Joan’s questionable parenting (Natalie Schafer, for one).

However, there have been testimonies from Joan’s friends and former employees, like Myrna Loy (who worked with Christina) that don’t paint Christina in a positive light. Christina also threatened her younger sister with legal action if she didn’t stop denying Christina’s allegations. And publishing Mommie Dearest after her mother’s death did Christina no favors.

I think somewhere between Joan and her oldest two children is a truth nobody will ever know.

by Anonymousreply 17May 18, 2024 2:16 PM

It’s funny how the movie thinks they;re being flattering to Joan, it rings false. The famous boardroom scene has impacted public perception of Crawford as much as wire hangers. If anything, It’s Bette Davis who’d be more likely to bellow at a boardroom of paunchy old white men. Joan’s style was to keep it calm, cordial and professional. (Allegedly) Joan typically reserved the bellowing for her maids and children.

by Anonymousreply 18May 18, 2024 2:26 PM

R10, I think you mean Faye.

by Anonymousreply 19May 18, 2024 2:32 PM

R19 Yes, you're right, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 20May 18, 2024 2:57 PM

[R17] No, Christina Crawford was absolutely making her story up.

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by Anonymousreply 21May 18, 2024 5:02 PM

Yes, let's believe some crazed fan who was likely a closeted lesbian who couldn't come to grips with her attraction, and who worshipped her employer to the point that she would say anything to defend her. It's well documented that Faye employed fans to do secretarial work for her so that she wouldn't have to pay them.

by Anonymousreply 22May 18, 2024 5:15 PM

[R22] do you mean Joan?

I still can’t believe this is getting debated, nearly 50 years on.

by Anonymousreply 23May 18, 2024 5:19 PM

Oh jeez, I can't believe I typed Faye. Apologies.

by Anonymousreply 24May 18, 2024 5:21 PM

The director, Frank Perry, had a pretty interesting career.

by Anonymousreply 25May 18, 2024 5:24 PM


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by Anonymousreply 26May 18, 2024 5:29 PM

June Allyson talks about lunch with Joan and Christina @ 10:22

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by Anonymousreply 27May 18, 2024 5:35 PM

[R26] High chairs in that era were made of highly varnished wood. A baby placed in the high chair would easily slide every which way in the seat and could fall to the floor. Later on in time manufacturers would include plastic seat restraints with the high chair to prevent the baby from sliding out of the chair. However, before manufacturers would include these restraints, people would just tie their babies in the seat. The letter, or set of instructions, indicates that the high chair had no seat restraints and Joan probably wanted to remind the Nanny to tie the baby in to prevent him from sliding out of the chair.

by Anonymousreply 28May 18, 2024 5:43 PM

r27 Looks like she's laughing so hard she wet herself. But then we all know she had "protection."

by Anonymousreply 29May 18, 2024 5:45 PM

Two things can be quite true; Joan could’ve been (and most likely was) a very bad mother, and Christina could’ve sensationalized her story for profit as retaliation.

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by Anonymousreply 31May 18, 2024 6:46 PM

I really enjoyed this book and the Married with Children vs World book. Barry Diller’s temper tantrums are hilarious. Both books are implacably researched and written!

by Anonymousreply 32May 18, 2024 6:53 PM

R30, reconsider the pushiness with semicolons, please.

Could've you?

by Anonymousreply 33May 18, 2024 6:53 PM

R17's last sentence is likely the truest one anyone will write about this sad mess.

That being said, Christina's story rings very true and she has at least some witnesses to back her up. In any family situation you have multiple perspectives, but the damaged soul that Christopher became is really all the proof I'd need to realize it was true. In fact, his abuse seemed to be much harsher and deeper than Christina's - which aside from a few physical altercations was more a psychological mind fuck and the kind of abuse that comes from a parent a child can neither rely on nor trust.

by Anonymousreply 34May 18, 2024 7:07 PM

R34 Christopher definitely had some behavioral issues though; whereas Christina seemed to do just fine at boarding schools, Christopher seemed to struggle and was expelled from numerous schools.

If I had to guess Joan was especially harsh to Christopher because she thought that he needed extra discipline to address said behavioral issues. But I do agree, Christopher definitely got the brunt of Joan’s anger.

by Anonymousreply 35May 18, 2024 8:05 PM

It’s been alluded to Joan molesting Christopher. Wouldn’t be surprised.

by Anonymousreply 36May 18, 2024 8:21 PM

[quote]Christina could’ve sensationalized her story for profit as retaliation.

Christina wrote a draft of her book but when it went to the publishers it was rewritten by a ghost writer and some things thought to be too horrible were cut and other areas embellished for marketability. I wonder if we'll ever see her original manuscript as that's what we need to use to judge her motivations and honesty?

by Anonymousreply 37May 18, 2024 8:58 PM

Thanks so much for this thread. I listened to the book and loved it.

R37, I’m about halfway through an updated version Mommie Dearest that Christina released in 2018, the 49th anniversary of the original’s publication. There are a lot of added footnotes and information that was left out of the original.

by Anonymousreply 38May 18, 2024 9:58 PM

The author did interview Christina for this book. There was no talk of a ghost writer, but it was acknowledged that the manuscript was “cut in half” during initial editing. A lot of this was restored for future editions as R38 noted.

by Anonymousreply 39May 18, 2024 10:23 PM

My mother was also a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 40May 18, 2024 10:28 PM

Mrs. Chadwick, Priscilla Pointer, turns 100 today

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by Anonymousreply 41May 18, 2024 10:29 PM

The twins Cathy and Cindy (both now deceased) said Joan was never abusive to them. There were, however, numerous eyewitness accounts of Joan being verbally abusive to Christina and Christopher. I don't think she hit them in front of other people, but she definitely did in private.

by Anonymousreply 42May 18, 2024 10:48 PM

Cathy and Cindy (those cunts) should have been beaten even more severely.

by Anonymousreply 43May 18, 2024 11:00 PM

Something about interviews with the twins in their later years always made me a little uneasy. They way these grown women still called Joan “Mommie”. It felt…off. But maybe I’m being too harsh.

They were clearly much more docile than Christina and Christopher. No wonder Joan got along with them better.

by Anonymousreply 44May 18, 2024 11:04 PM

Abusive parents don't always abuse all their children. I was abused; my sister wasn't. A few years back, after returning to my family for a rare visit due to a funeral. a family member asked why I never "come home" . I explained why. My sister answered that with, "They never hit me." As if that changed my circumstance. When I read people doubting Christina, I just think, "You weren't there. She was. The twins see what they chose to see. But Christina was there. You don't get to judge."

by Anonymousreply 45May 18, 2024 11:33 PM

R42 in the book Mommie Dearest Christina includes at least two instances of Joan physically abusing her and Christopher in front of an audience or assembled guests… one when press was working with Joan at the dining room table on publicity for the Best Mother award Joan had won.

by Anonymousreply 46May 18, 2024 11:40 PM

Interesting that Christina survived them all.

As Maria Riva did with her Mutti and Daddy.

by Anonymousreply 47May 18, 2024 11:43 PM

Christina is still alive at 85 and has lived in Idaho for decades.

Maria Riva is still alive at 99!

by Anonymousreply 48May 18, 2024 11:50 PM

Truman Capote once claimed he was given a tour of Casa Crawford by Christina who swanned around pointing out various objects and how much they cost.

by Anonymousreply 49May 19, 2024 3:14 AM

I’m not so much sure that the twins saw just what they might have wanted to see, as the fact that they came along into the family at a later time in Joan’s life and career, when her (and their) circumstances, and the time period, were different. This may have resulted in a different childhood-rearing experience for them.

by Anonymousreply 50May 19, 2024 5:59 AM

Plus the fact that Christina and Christopher were out of the house by the time those cunts could comprehend things.

by Anonymousreply 51May 19, 2024 6:06 AM

Vincent Sherman reported he was at Joan's house once and she shamed Christopher in front of him. Vincent said not to embarrass her child in front of people and Joan replied to not tell her how to raise her children.

by Anonymousreply 52May 19, 2024 6:07 AM

I generally believe that what christina has shared thus far is true, but I can understand why some people are inclined to believe Joan did no such, considering the vast amount of friends. family, employees, and colleagues spoke out in her defense.

by Anonymousreply 53May 19, 2024 6:06 PM

I wasn't physically abused by my mother. She was wonderful, nurturing, loving. Until my sister was born. Then, she poured all the love and attention to my sister. She had the best of everything. I didn't. Oh, I didn't wear rags or anything. But I know where I stood. To this day, people tell me how wonderful my mother was and how much she loved me. It must be nice to have that reality.

by Anonymousreply 54May 19, 2024 7:17 PM

So yeah. I can belive some of Christina's book.

by Anonymousreply 55May 19, 2024 7:22 PM

Christina’s book seems to have all the receipts… she must’ve saved all of Joan’s letters. The letters are bitterly passive-aggressive. Joan apparently wanted no communication other than letters, even when she and Christina were living in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 56May 19, 2024 10:48 PM

Christina and Joan saw each other frequently when Christina was living in NY in the 60s. She said that the closest she an her mother ever were was in that time. Of course it wasn't a warm and loving relationship but it was at least cordial.

by Anonymousreply 57May 19, 2024 11:26 PM

Interesting, R57. I’m in chapter 23 of the updated Mommie Dearest. Al Steele has just died… Christina has made it very clear that though they were living about 12 blocks from one another, she and Joan very rarely interacted in person. She says that when they did visit it was in a restaurant and never more than an hour long.

by Anonymousreply 58May 19, 2024 11:43 PM

Christina also asserts that Joan was very rarely reachable by phone. The majority of their interactions were written, according to the memoir.

by Anonymousreply 59May 19, 2024 11:45 PM

Christina wrote in MD that she would visit Joan in her apartment.

by Anonymousreply 60May 20, 2024 12:11 AM

r58 it was later on, in the mid/late 60s when Christina was on The Secret Storm that she and Joan began seeing each other more often. The relationship was still not a warm one, but it was the closest that Christina ever got to her mother.

This is a good interview Christina did several years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 61May 20, 2024 12:13 AM

I was surprised to learn Rutanya Alda was not interviewed firsthand for this book. Then again, she’s given so many interviews on the subject he had plenty to choose from. She probably directed him to her diary, which he did paraphrase occasionally.

by Anonymousreply 62May 20, 2024 1:42 AM

I think the Alda's are generally pretty private people. I know Alan has refused to give interviews regarding his time on MASH so it would make sense that his sister would be reluctant to talk about her time doing Mommie Dearest.

by Anonymousreply 63May 20, 2024 7:09 AM

Christina and Christopher Crawford got off lucky.

by Anonymousreply 64May 20, 2024 7:24 AM

[quote]r28 The letter, or set of instructions, indicates that the high chair had no seat restraints

Except no high chair is mentioned.

(A “play chair” is.)

by Anonymousreply 65May 20, 2024 7:39 AM

[quote] Christina wrote a draft of her book but when it went to the publishers it was rewritten by a ghost writer

No, it wasn’t.

by Anonymousreply 66May 20, 2024 6:20 PM

[quote]I think the Alda's are generally pretty private people. I know Alan has refused to give interviews regarding his time on MASH so it would make sense that his sister would be reluctant to talk about her time doing Mommie Dearest.

Rutanya and Alan are not related.

by Anonymousreply 67May 20, 2024 8:35 PM

I think he was trying to be droll, r67. He failed.

by Anonymousreply 68May 20, 2024 8:38 PM

So have you, R68

by Anonymousreply 69May 20, 2024 10:52 PM

Another fun tidbit:

In 1971, while living in New York, some of Faye Dunaway’s neighbors arrived home from the hospital with a baby girl. Faye was charmed and asked to hold her in the elevator.

That baby was Mara Hobel. Faye remembered the story when Mara told her.

by Anonymousreply 70May 21, 2024 12:56 AM

John Waters did a DVD commentary for Mommie Dearest and I highly recommend it.

by Anonymousreply 71May 21, 2024 6:26 AM

His commentary gets old fast and he tends to repeat things multiple times.

by Anonymousreply 72May 21, 2024 6:28 AM

Yes, the John Waters commentary is pretty bad.

by Anonymousreply 73May 21, 2024 2:28 PM

[quote] I’m not so much sure that the twins saw just what they might have wanted to see, as the fact that they came along into the family at a later time in Joan’s life and career, when her (and their) circumstances, and the time period, were different. This may have resulted in a different childhood-rearing experience for them.

Reminds me of Ryan O’Neal’s son Patrick who says he never saw any indication of the abuse/behavior Tatum and Griffin have talked about. Patrick didn’t grow up with them and only got closer to Ryan in his teen years. Completely different experiences.

by Anonymousreply 74May 21, 2024 4:43 PM

Joan was kinder to the twins than she was to Christopher and Christina. The twins were pretty docile and did whatever they were told so that helped. Also, Joan was preoccupied with Pepsi and Al Steele so that took a lot of her energy and attention away from her kids.

by Anonymousreply 75May 21, 2024 5:43 PM

R75 It also helped that her career wasn’t in a “box office poison” like downswing.

by Anonymousreply 76May 21, 2024 7:00 PM

It also helped that the twins didn’t live with her after the age of 7 or something.

They were promptly shipped off to school, and put up in hotels near Joan during school breaks.

by Anonymousreply 77May 21, 2024 10:35 PM

"Mommie can love you better when you're staying in room 124 at the Motel 6 off the 5!"

by Anonymousreply 78May 22, 2024 9:31 PM

“What is this exorbitant bill? I should've know you'd know where to find the boys AND the room service!!”

by Anonymousreply 79May 23, 2024 2:00 AM

“Is this an institution of sleeping or a teenaged brothel!?”

by Anonymousreply 80May 23, 2024 4:42 AM

“You DELIBERATELY embarrassed me in front of a desk clerk. A DESK CLERK!”

by Anonymousreply 81May 23, 2024 4:47 AM

“Look at this floor! You call that clean!? Do you!?”

“Housekeeping said it was clean!”

by Anonymousreply 82May 23, 2024 12:04 PM

"When you get into a hotel bed you must REMOVE the BEDSPREAD. If you can't do something right, don't do it at all".

"I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dried cum"

by Anonymousreply 83May 23, 2024 12:55 PM

Barbara PLEASE! 😵‍💫

by Anonymousreply 84May 23, 2024 1:09 PM

KIm Niemi is the narrator of the audiobook.

I never miss a KIm Niemi narration.

by Anonymousreply 85May 23, 2024 2:43 PM

[quote] It was more comical [on the set] than it exists [on-screen]

Frankly, it’s pretty comical onscreen.

by Anonymousreply 86May 23, 2024 11:42 PM

R85, I recently listened to the audiobook. I was never sure to feel about her impersonations/accents.

by Anonymousreply 87May 24, 2024 1:25 AM

^^^ …never sure HOW to feel..***

by Anonymousreply 88May 24, 2024 1:26 AM

I’ve met some people,that have worked with Faye Dunaway.

When she’s on her (admittedly very rare) good days, she can be such a joy to be around.

by Anonymousreply 89May 25, 2024 3:46 PM

[quote]R89 When she’s on her (admittedly very rare) good days, she can be such a joy to be around.

What does she want, a parade for being pleasant? Is it really that hard?

A friend of mine hung out with Dunaway’s set at parties for a while in the 70’s. She described Dunaway as “weird” and humorless.

by Anonymousreply 90May 25, 2024 6:53 PM

The book was not in any bookstore within a hundred miles of me so I ordered it via Amazon. Is it a huge best seller or did the publisher just really fuck up its release by not printing enough copies? This is a beach read and they've missed a beach read three day weekend.

by Anonymousreply 91May 25, 2024 6:59 PM

Of the four credited writers, Tracie Hotchner deserves the most credit (she’s billed as “Tracy” in the film but it’s consistently spelled “Tracie” in the book - no explanation why).

It was Hotchner who first saw the story as not about the child, but about Joan. Because of this shift in focus, hers was the first draft to get the studio’s greenlight.

Whatever rewrites the two Franks did largely built upon her template. She almost received no credit at all until she spoke up. She’s also solely responsible for the “Don’t fuck with me fellas! This ain’t my first time at the rodeo” line.

by Anonymousreply 92May 29, 2024 11:24 PM

R23 The movie version took a sledgehammer to a damaged woman’s 50 year career in the show biz and reduced a child abuse victim’s story to a ridiculous joke completely unhinged from any sort of truthfulness.

Combine that with Faye Dunaway’s over-the-top acting, it’s little wonder people struggle to believe Christina’s version of her childhood and debate the veracity of her claims, even when pretty much anyone that could shed some light on that has been dead for decades.

by Anonymousreply 93June 7, 2024 7:00 PM

[quote]R93 it’s little wonder people struggle to believe Christina’s version of her childhood

Wut? The vast majority of the public associates JC with child abuse. They have no trouble believing the facts.

The few who stay in denial are hard core Crawford stans who want to whitewash her image.

by Anonymousreply 94June 8, 2024 6:14 AM

I recently listened (for the first time) to an updated version of Christina’s original book. I believe her story. There’s much more abusive behavior (the majority of which seems to be terrifyingly cruel mental gymnastics) than what made it into the movie.

by Anonymousreply 95June 8, 2024 3:53 PM

I downloaded a couple of sample chapters. Let's be nice and say the writing is a bit ... well, workaday. But if the author got a lot of juicy interviews I might give it a whirl.

by Anonymousreply 96June 9, 2024 3:01 AM

R96 He conducted 32 original interviews and included quotes from many archival ones too.

by Anonymousreply 97June 9, 2024 7:30 AM

The author was recently on tour with none other than Bruce Vilanch

by Anonymousreply 98June 9, 2024 3:37 PM

R98 Vilanch wrote the intro and was interviewed for the book. He was living with Dunaway’s agent at the time so has a lot of gossip.

by Anonymousreply 99June 9, 2024 3:49 PM

I. Am. Not. One. Of. Your. Faaaaaannnnsssss!

by Anonymousreply 100June 9, 2024 4:29 PM

I asked the library to order a copy and they did (Concetta voice: [italic]"Yew can DEW that, yew know"[/italic]. Finished it last night.

The good: the author managed to talk with a lot of people who still are alive, including Mara Hobel (who, as has been pointed out, seemed to be treated great by Faye). And this is probably the closest behind-the-scenes look we'll get at the making of the movie.

Unfortunately, even with all the interviews, there wasn't that much dish. Rutanya Alda's book had more tea, some of which is repeated here. The consensus seemed to be that Faye was difficult but not impossible on the set. The rest of the cast was supposed to be supportive and "understand" if they only got a take or two because Faye was taking all day to do her stuff.

There were two distracting things. First, the author skips around in time a lot (a better editor could have smoothed this out). More important, as you read you're never sure which quotes are original to the author and which are taken from somewhere else. You can check the appendix to see the provenance of the quote, but that gets tedious, particularly on Kindle.

by Anonymousreply 101June 14, 2024 3:28 AM

R101 I did notice that about the structure. Each chapter kind of read like its own blog post.

by Anonymousreply 102June 15, 2024 1:35 PM
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