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What's the greatest American daytime soap of all time?

I picked the longest-running daytime soaps on American television (sorry Passions fans!).

by Anonymousreply 600May 23, 2024 3:22 AM

Santa Barbara

by Anonymousreply 1May 3, 2024 9:54 PM

My case for AMC:

The quality of the acting company was pretty unrivaled when you had the likes of David Canary, Julia Barr, James Mitchell, Debbi Morgan, Kathleen Noone, Kate Collins, Marcy Walker, and on. While Ruth Warrick and Susan Lucci weren’t exactly thespians, they created larger than life characters. They had great love stories like Cliff & Nina, Jenny & Greg, Tad and Dixie, Nico and Cecily, Dimitri and Erica, Trevor & Natalie, and on. Amazing storylines like Natalie in the well, Kendall arriving to town, Liza/Tad/Marian, Laura’s death, Adam gaslighting Dixie, Billy Clyde terrorizing the town, Ross and Natalie’s disastrous affair, Adam blackmailing Erica back into marriage, Who Killed Will?, Liza breaking up Tad and Dixie- to name just a few. It was also remarkably consistent in the ratings until the medium tanked. #2 overall in the 80s and 90s. Just a total classic.

by Anonymousreply 2May 3, 2024 10:08 PM

"Search for Tomorrow"


What MARY! came up with that title?

by Anonymousreply 3May 3, 2024 10:09 PM

THE Guiding Light.

by Anonymousreply 4May 3, 2024 10:13 PM

When I still lived back in the 'burg, there was a fried chicken place by the name of "All My Chicken." I laughed my ass off every time I drove by it.

by Anonymousreply 5May 3, 2024 10:14 PM

Santa Barbara's writing may have been too good for a soap.

by Anonymousreply 6May 3, 2024 11:27 PM

Ryan's Hope had the best writing of any soap but I think there was something about it that would never allow it to be considered the best of all time.

I'd have to vote General Hospital because of the entire Luke and Laura storyline. That they moved so quickly from the organ music to suggestions of rape is pretty impressive.

by Anonymousreply 7May 3, 2024 11:40 PM

How can you forget 'Dark Shadows' ? It was the best ! The very best !

by Anonymousreply 8May 3, 2024 11:43 PM

Another vote for Dark Shadows.

Incomparable and relentlessly outrageous.

I even loved it for the first nine or so months before the arrival of Barnabas.

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by Anonymousreply 9May 3, 2024 11:46 PM

Portia Faces Life

by Anonymousreply 10May 4, 2024 12:10 AM


You deserve a big ole kick in the cunt for omitting “Another World”.

by Anonymousreply 11May 4, 2024 12:27 AM

R2. I agree with you, except for your comment that Ruth Warrick wasnt’t exactly a thespian. I’ll give you Susan Lucci (she was more an icon than artist), but Warrick had one of the two female leads in “Citizen Kane” and had a very respectable career on film and theatre (granted more stock than Broadway). Phoebe Tyler may not have been Hecuba, but Darrick squeezed all the melodramatic juice there was to be had. Any time she was on screen was going to be a good time—and watching her with Eileen Herlie and Fran Heflin was like a geriatric production of “The Women”— in the best ways.

by Anonymousreply 12May 4, 2024 12:27 AM

r11 mea culpa. I knew I'd forgotten something.

by Anonymousreply 13May 4, 2024 12:32 AM

I will not even bother going up again the AMC/ATWT juggernaut.. (both supremely overrated but good shows) GH was generally overpraised too.

Some red headed step children never and will never get their due.

Despite being the best show- at its best. And the worst show, at its worst. OLTL is the best for me.

I would call Y&R the best before ever giving that to AMC and ATWT. I would also give GL the honor before those shows.

by Anonymousreply 14May 4, 2024 12:43 AM

Another World, you cunt.

by Anonymousreply 15May 4, 2024 12:45 AM

Only in the 70s r15. Or maybe the Harry Must Die plot.

by Anonymousreply 16May 4, 2024 1:09 AM

The only one I ever watched was The Edge of Night.

by Anonymousreply 17May 4, 2024 1:14 AM

Passions. It had fucking witches.

by Anonymousreply 18May 4, 2024 1:50 AM

AMC. Easily. realOpal was the best soap character ever.

by Anonymousreply 19May 4, 2024 2:00 AM

Lucinda Walsh gets my vote, r19. Elizabeth Hubbard was delightful.

by Anonymousreply 20May 4, 2024 1:59 PM

Whoever voted for The Bold and the Beautiful needs to explain herself!

by Anonymousreply 21May 4, 2024 1:59 PM

R21 Well. The Bold and The Beautiful unseated The Young and The Restless as the #1 rated soap. It is only 30 mins and in that 30 mins they pack more camp and drama than any other show. Love the fashion show aspect and gave us Sally fucking Spectra.

by Anonymousreply 22May 4, 2024 2:09 PM

For me it’s OLTL! The 80s and 90s era so different and yet so amazing! Part of why it deserves the top spot is its under rated underdog red headed ABC soap stepchild treatment.

GH, DaYS, y&r always had the focus from the networks and magazines.

by Anonymousreply 23May 4, 2024 2:55 PM

Passions, you stupid fat whore!!!

by Anonymousreply 24May 4, 2024 3:09 PM

Thanks r22

by Anonymousreply 25May 4, 2024 3:57 PM

"Lucinda Walsh gets my vote"

Mine too, closely followed by the love of her life, Dr. John Dixon. ATWT was HEAVEN when they were together.

And as someone who was an awful snob about B&B back in the day, upon re-watching on Youtube, I will admit that there is a lot to love about it. Susan Flannery has brought me to tears at times (MARY!) in her more tender scenes, and Darlene Conley's Sally Spectra was a wonderful tribute to the "dames" of film noir. At its core, it's really about those two women, and probably the most matriarchal of all the soaps.

by Anonymousreply 26May 4, 2024 4:07 PM

OLTL was great but it loses the title because of Eterna and the United Nations living in Slatesantastacks head. They just didn't know when to stop with her alters

by Anonymousreply 27May 4, 2024 4:52 PM

The Kelly-Morgan-Nola triangle on the Guiding Light in the late 70’s is the greatest soap opera plot of all time

by Anonymousreply 28May 4, 2024 4:56 PM

What could put GL in the running were the scenes between Holly and Blake. They were electrifying.

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by Anonymousreply 29May 4, 2024 5:00 PM

Maybe you should have divided it up into networks, ABC vs. CBS. Or maybe East Coast vs. West Coast.

I was always a Love in the Afternoon fan. Ryans Hope all the way through GH. 3 1/2 hours is a long time to devote to soaps but it just seemed so worthwhile.

by Anonymousreply 30May 4, 2024 5:14 PM

Ryan's Hope just couldn't hold a cast.

by Anonymousreply 31May 4, 2024 5:16 PM

AMC, hands down. Despite the way Frons let it be destroyed in the last few years, it had probably the longest run of consistently great storylines, iconic characters, and superb actors. They did and humor and high drama and social issue storylines. Pine Valley felt like a real town, more than any other soap locale. I miss it.

by Anonymousreply 32May 4, 2024 5:25 PM

real town....yeah that's what I was trying to think of. You felt like you really knew them and came close to living in Pine Valley.

by Anonymousreply 33May 4, 2024 5:29 PM

ATWT because it gave us John Wesley Shipp in his short shorts.

by Anonymousreply 34May 4, 2024 5:54 PM

I liked the semi camp take OLTL was willing to indulge. Better than the shows that took themselves so serious!

by Anonymousreply 35May 4, 2024 5:55 PM

I hearts Ivan Kipling and his wallpapered closet doors.

by Anonymousreply 36May 4, 2024 5:58 PM

R28: "The Kelly-Morgan-Nola triangle on the Guiding Light in the late 70’s is the greatest soap opera plot of all time"

A lot of viewers (like me) might argue that it was the Lily Walsh maternity / paternity story on ATWT, but the common denominator here is the late, great Lisa Brown.

by Anonymousreply 37May 4, 2024 6:09 PM

Different network so I would argue Diana Taylor's murder.

by Anonymousreply 38May 4, 2024 6:15 PM

ABC writers always knew how to write a good murder mystery. It seems the other networks didn't do it as much. I mean ABC would build a murder mystery storyline and run it for close to a year. Without one second of it being boring.

by Anonymousreply 39May 4, 2024 6:17 PM

Late 1984-mid 1985 was not a great time for AMC, with bad recasts of Jenny, Liza, Mike Roy, and Nina, and sending too many of the characters off into their own weird storylines. Tad and Dottie in NYC on the run from the mob—yikes! But they had the great Zach Grayson murder mystery during that time, which was a lot of fun. By 1986, the show was back on track and was great for many, many years. The Who Killed Will Cortlandt? was also a great story.

by Anonymousreply 40May 4, 2024 8:11 PM

All the new Nina's were like WTF moments. All of them. I can understand, a little, the casting of Sarah Sanford as Nina because thy looked so much alike. She was just the worst actress I ever saw in daytime. Then they had some red head who acted like she grew up in the Bronx. It was all just horrible. Killing Nina would have been an all time great soap murder mystery and would have just kept her out of the way of better stories for Clifford. Fake Nina starts at 1:40

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by Anonymousreply 41May 4, 2024 11:04 PM

R41, part of the problem was Taylor Miller was so amazing, one of the all time greatest ingenues on daytime. No one could compare to her. It was similar to Kate Mulgrew on Ryan's Hope. They finally did have to kill off Mary Ryan because the three replacements were all so bad. Ironically, they might have found their new Mary Ryan in Sarah Felder, but they put her into the Siobhan character.

by Anonymousreply 42May 4, 2024 11:11 PM

more fake nina starts at 5:37. Just awful but my god they looked alike. Peter Bergman confessed to treating the fake Nina's like shit.

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by Anonymousreply 43May 4, 2024 11:15 PM

One of the fake Ninas fell in love with Benny.

by Anonymousreply 44May 4, 2024 11:39 PM

Oh dear god I forgot about that.

by Anonymousreply 45May 4, 2024 11:43 PM

She had amnesia and fell in love with Benny but after she miraculously got her memory back, she was still in love with him. One of the worst storylines for fake Nina.

by Anonymousreply 46May 4, 2024 11:58 PM

The best fake nina scene was when she was fist fighting Clifford's sister over some naughty pics of her and Zach.

by Anonymousreply 47May 4, 2024 11:59 PM

And here it is.

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by Anonymousreply 48May 5, 2024 12:05 AM

No soap was greater for longer (over four decades of almost nonstop high quality) with epic characters, villains , and heroines like Guiding Light. It’s simply had a quality most others only touched upon. When it was at its peak, which it had several, nothing else could touch it. Many of the others were campy or ridiculous. While I watched YR, it was often glacial in pacing and its reputation highly benefitted from it being #1.

by Anonymousreply 49May 5, 2024 12:11 AM

There was a great scene in Guiding Light when some little girl put Holly in her place for her cynicism. Usually kids in soaps are only annoying. This little girl held her own. "You're always smiling or laughing but I can tell you don't think anything's funny".

by Anonymousreply 50May 5, 2024 12:14 AM

This chase scene through the house of mirrors was primetime quality.

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by Anonymousreply 51May 5, 2024 12:16 AM

Douglas Marland wrote great mysteries as well.

by Anonymousreply 52May 5, 2024 12:42 AM

R49- I am a hardcore OLTL and semi former hardcore Y&R fan and I agree with you.

I would give this "award" to GL over the overrated AMC- which was my late mom's show-

I briefly became obsessed with GL as a kid in 88-89. And have seen clips for years on YT from that 91-94 era, as well as the late 70's-early 80's

If I was to guess, GL and OLTL really gave viewers every extreme of style, substance, and quality during their tenures.

I would love to see GL take this one- also for its amazing 50+ year run.

by Anonymousreply 53May 5, 2024 12:45 AM

For me- Y&R would win for its cinematic production values and incredible background music/camerawork- but not as best soap of all time-

But definitely the most incredibly produced- for a show to look that good on VIDEOTAPE- is no small feat-

(Definitely in Top 3 for me though- overall)

by Anonymousreply 54May 5, 2024 12:47 AM

I know I’m in the minority, but I didn’t hate Fake Nina #1, Heather Stanford…but I loathed Fake Nina #2, the redhead who fell in love with Benny…THAT was atrocious.

Funny that original recipe Nina, Taylor Miller, went to AW as a replacement Sally and flopped..and came back to AMC.

by Anonymousreply 55May 5, 2024 2:34 AM

As the World Turns takes the lead.

by Anonymousreply 56May 5, 2024 1:39 PM

Some test offered the world the horrifying Jingles the Clown.

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by Anonymousreply 57May 5, 2024 1:52 PM

Y&R was the first soap to bring up taboo issues like breast cancer, alcoholism, bulimia and lesbianism. Y and R had the youngest cast in daytime (when it first started). They were the first to really talk about and show sex. They covered taboo topics like rape and incest as well as premarital sex and impotence. A lot of people complained about the glacial pace but Bell was the master of the slow burn. Sometimes taking years to reveal secrets the audience knew or even shocking the audiences with long buried secrets even they didn't know.

by Anonymousreply 58May 5, 2024 2:05 PM

I am sorry, ATWT does deserve this title. It had a stifling and restrained vibe during its entire run. I'd give it to the similarly overrated AMC over ATWT any day of the week. ATWT as dreary. AMC was hokey.

But even I would watch during commercials to see Lucinda Walsh- I put elizabeth Hubbard up there in the Top 5- especially thanks to Youtube. She was a force.

by Anonymousreply 59May 5, 2024 2:27 PM

R59: "It had a stifling and restrained vibe during its entire run."

Totally disagree, especially in regards to the Marland era. The cast was huge, scenes at the Mona Lisa and the hospital had DOZENS of people running in and out of them, almost every story was an umbrella, and something was happening EVERY DAY. It was so energetic and vibrant.

"Stifling and restrained" is the perfect phrase for Y&R, where hothouse flowers like Nikki could stare out windows for hours as they had their endless flashbacks.

by Anonymousreply 60May 5, 2024 2:50 PM

As the World Turns started with full sets, a 30 minute running time, introduced the first soap vixen in Lisa, the first super couple in Penny and Jeff , actually slowed down stories and giving them more time to develop. It was one of the most influential soaps ever.

by Anonymousreply 61May 5, 2024 2:57 PM

R60- I knew the Marland era would be thrown at me within 3 minutes.

Even with the largest cast in daytime and that "community" feel- I personally found the show to feel very stodgy and sedate. It did not have the production quality to elevate it.

Y&R absolutely fits that description, but I felt with Y&R I was watching a beautiful film. It felt elevated. Elevated trash.

I agree with the other poster that GL probably deserves this more than any show. I also understand AW/AMC being a contender too.

(OLTL stan, and Y&R fan here)

by Anonymousreply 62May 5, 2024 2:59 PM

Did you men all grow up in the south possibly? For ATWT to be winning- you all must be well over 55 or so and grew up in the south.

I have never known anyone who watch ATWT in the northeast or west coast.

I would wager the AMC stans were not from the south.

(THis is not some bitchy comment, I am generally curious and always found a pattern with the audiences of these shows)

by Anonymousreply 63May 5, 2024 3:08 PM

[quote]I felt with Y&R I was watching a beautiful film.


r63: my mother watched ATWT faithfully in Ohio in the mid-to-late 1980s. She actually switched from Y&R sometime in 1985. I never got a chance to ask her what prompted the shift, but from my perspective at the time -- I was very young -- ATWT was a more "adult" soap than Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 64May 5, 2024 3:17 PM

I did like the Iva, Lilly, Lucinda triangle with Lilly having sex with Holden and Iva freaking out because Lilly was her daughter and she just fucked her brother.

by Anonymousreply 65May 5, 2024 3:45 PM

I was hard core ABC but definitely admired ATWT and GL from afar. Those shows seemed really great but my habit was formed and there were only so many hours in the day for a little gay kid to consume daytime TV. I didn’t feel the same way about Days despite their heavy coverage in the soap press. It always seemed cartoonish to me:

by Anonymousreply 66May 5, 2024 5:07 PM

Remember when Luke raped Laura and everyone thought it was such a romantic storyline?

by Anonymousreply 67May 5, 2024 6:15 PM

He loved her TOO MUCH, R67!!!

by Anonymousreply 68May 5, 2024 6:20 PM

Guiding Light gave us Lujack. OLTL and GL shared a similar flaw. OLTL became to Haystack and GL became to Reva centric. Eterna = Clone. The GL killed Maureen EEK. That's when the little girl, Maureen's daughter, popped Holly tough bitch exterior.

by Anonymousreply 69May 5, 2024 6:27 PM

Guiding Light. Quality 90% of its run.

by Anonymousreply 70May 5, 2024 9:48 PM

It's a tossup between Julia Barr and Maureen Garrett for the all-time best actress in daytime.

by Anonymousreply 71May 5, 2024 11:24 PM

I'm rewatching ATWT episodes from 1988 and Elizabeth Hubbard's expressions are hilarious. Too bad they didn't do the Sunset Boulevard remake in the 1990s. She would have been a great cinematic Norma.

I'd also completely forgotten about Kathleen Widdoes's character (Emma Snyder). She was perfect as the wise matriarch.

Jon Hensley emanated sex.

by Anonymousreply 72May 6, 2024 1:29 AM

On AW, Kathleen Widdoes played Maeve Kinkead's mom and they unfortunately had a lot of lines where the actors felt they were sisters. Widdoes looked like Kinkead's unattractive, been through the Civil War, mother.

by Anonymousreply 73May 6, 2024 3:28 AM

That should have been allowed to continue a lot longer r73. Its ending felt so abrupt, along with so many others on AW.

It was the most abused soap.

by Anonymousreply 74May 6, 2024 4:48 AM

I went with As the World Turns even though I loved GL and GH (both especially under the Marland years and GL also under the Pam Long eras).

ATWT had Irna Phillips, who created it; other writers included Bill Bell, the Dobsons, Marland; Hogan Sheffer.

ATWT was one of two soaps that debuted as 30 minute serials; the show -- thanks to Bell -- delved into family dynamics. The Jeff Penny romance and Lisa's antics drove to the show to No.1 where it lasted for decades. The Dobson era was pretty spectactular; it was, in fact, better than their work on Santa Batbara as was their work on GL.

Marland's era on ATWT is soap opera at its finest. He refocused the show on the Hughes clan; he may not have been there when Bob and Kim wed in April 1985 but he re-established the Hughes clan as the show's core family. He brought Nancy and Chris back. Marland's best stories on GL were the Doug Cummings story in which he stalked Kim and then Kim took the rap for his murder, thinking Frannie had done it. He followed that up with Frannie finding her cousin/half sister Sabrina. The aftermath wasn't great but the set up was brilliant.

There was the whole Iva is Lily's mother and Iva's feud with Lucinda. The Lucinda/Craig/Sierra triangle. So many other couples -- Tom and Margo, Casey and Lyla. The idea of Casey, the charming Bill Shanks, chasing Lyla around the house with a gorilla mask on showed that love can happen later in life.

James Stenbeck. Simply Barbara Ryan. Dr. Johnny Dixon. Hubbard's adlibs. I could go on.

ATWT saw some tough years but found a resurgence under Sheffer.

by Anonymousreply 75May 6, 2024 5:00 AM

AW lit the cancellation fuse in early 1982 when Pat Randolph (Beverly Penberthy) left Bay City.

The show dismantled the Matthews clan, brought on all those zany actors....Jensen was a horrible Vicky.

Douglass Watson's death put a few more nails in the coffin; the show's inability to find Wyndham a new love interest was a big blow.

Killing Frankie so horribly? That was stupid.

by Anonymousreply 76May 6, 2024 5:06 AM

Obviously Passions

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by Anonymousreply 77May 6, 2024 5:56 AM

Guiding Light. Not even close.

by Anonymousreply 78May 6, 2024 12:27 PM

I tried really hard to like Passions. But after a while, I just couldn't anymore.

Maybe I should give it another try.

by Anonymousreply 79May 6, 2024 5:32 PM

Grown men who watch soaps are just sad.

by Anonymousreply 80May 6, 2024 5:53 PM

🤷 r80

by Anonymousreply 81May 6, 2024 5:59 PM

OP, I appreciate your attempt at a debate.

But the truth is.....all of them (or almost all of them) have had their great periods. It's the nature of those shows that have ever changing casts of actors and writers.

And sometimes, if the writers hit their stride and the actors do too, a particular show might be on FIRE. Running on all cylinders.

It IS a debate, too, because what you might think is a great era might be someone else's worst.

AMC definitely had a few runs where that was the case in the late 70s and again in the mid 80s and mid 90s.

Guiding Light had a few great eras too - in the late 70s and the Douglas Marland era in the early 80s, some of Pam Long's time as writer, and for sure the early 90s, which may have been its best era (until Jill Farren Phelps destroyed it).

As The World Turns, for all of its "grandma soap" connotations, definitely had a great era during a few spots of Douglas Marland's head writing time. Especially early on and some of the social issues they did later in his run, like Margo pulling the plug.

OLTL was on fire at a few points in the early 80s, and also had some great story and great work during the first Michael Malone writing stint.

In my humble opinion, Harding Lemay was the best writer AW ever had, and both his early 70s run as well as how he reset the canvas when he returned in 1987 was the best the show ever was.

As much as I generally dislike what Luke and Laura/the rape and the action-adventure BS did to daytime, I have to credit Gloria Monty for the early work she did at GH. It was very film noir-ish, with lots of fabulous characters (and yes, Marland had a hand in creating them too) like Luke and Bobbie, and Tracy Quartermaine. (It was only later, when the charm and quirky characters subsided at GH but the darkness and violence remained, that I truly disliked.)

Have never been much of a DAYS fan but the rejuvenation it got from James Reilly in the early 90s was great, a run of popular characters and story that still impacts it today. Same with most of the Y&R story from the 80s, so much of which we still see playing out today.

by Anonymousreply 82May 6, 2024 6:12 PM

R80 is a sad loser who makes that post on every thread remotely mentioning soaps.

by Anonymousreply 83May 6, 2024 6:13 PM

The Bells stolded my money.

by Anonymousreply 84May 6, 2024 6:40 PM

[quote] AW lit the cancellation fuse in early 1982

But that's when I arrived!

by Anonymousreply 85May 6, 2024 6:55 PM

Harding Lemay also helped to bury AW when they went to 90 minutes and they had nowhere near the storylines for that amount of time.

by Anonymousreply 86May 6, 2024 7:27 PM

Santa Claus, Indiana

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by Anonymousreply 88May 6, 2024 9:55 PM

Guiding Light was quality, top notch, from its radio days, its TV debut, until the 90s almost without interruption. The fact it held its own against GH in its heyday, and actually gained viewers opposite it, is a testament to its quality.

by Anonymousreply 89May 6, 2024 9:56 PM

R82, I like your post but take exception to Marland having a hand in the creating of Bobbie, Tracy et al.

He did more than have a hand in them; he created the characters; he met with Jackie in Ny before she was hired. He knew what he wanted.

GH hired Pat Falken Smith to take over after he left and went to GL. She was smart to carry along his stories -- especially the Lesley/Rick/Monica/Alan quadrangle.

But after PFS left the show rode on fumes of the characters being so popular for years. Capers and action adventure kept viewers hanging around but they never would have if not for Marland and Smith.

Doug went on to win two writing DT Emmys for GL and then had a great run on ATWT.

He was the best.

by Anonymousreply 90May 6, 2024 10:00 PM

R90 Then she followed him to GL when he left and did not do very well, correct?

by Anonymousreply 91May 6, 2024 10:04 PM

Sunset Beach... the hexed potion and Martin's syndrome storyline was some.of the finest acting ever on the small screen!!

by Anonymousreply 92May 6, 2024 10:10 PM

Generations was the best. You all are just racist.

by Anonymousreply 93May 6, 2024 10:59 PM

Agnes Nixon’s aim for AMC was interesting. It was socially aware but also a lighter soap than those on the air. This early scene with Erica does show some of that lightness.

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by Anonymousreply 94May 6, 2024 11:06 PM

I remember when “Generations” started. I was excited to watch a soap from the very beginning and taped the first week.

It was so boring. The first two episodes had Pat Crowley as Rebecca Whitmore walking aimlessly in the snow and not much else.

by Anonymousreply 95May 6, 2024 11:17 PM

Generations gave us Vivica A. Fox. For that it will always be the greatest show ever.

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by Anonymousreply 97May 6, 2024 11:46 PM

Generations WAS pretty dull. I hung in for a while and then bolted, but there was ONE great scene in its run.

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by Anonymousreply 98May 7, 2024 12:22 AM

Marty’s rape and trial on OLTL in the 90s was one of the best stories of the decade. Topical. Edgy. Well acted. Really solidified OLTL as one of the greatest.

by Anonymousreply 99May 7, 2024 1:56 AM

I always felt like turning off Generations because of that lame opening.

by Anonymousreply 100May 7, 2024 2:24 AM

Which was the one with that idiot Joanne Pfluge? Hated her.

by Anonymousreply 101May 7, 2024 2:26 AM

R100, I liked the show, but I couldn’t agree more about that opening.

by Anonymousreply 102May 7, 2024 2:28 AM

R99 No one storyline gets a soap to the pinnacle.

If so, Guiding Light had a plethora to choose from.

Rape? Roger raping his wife Holly leading to some of the best, most thrilling moments in daytime (the clown mirrors scene, Santo Domingo). Or Beth/Bradley. Powerhouse writing/acting, spun the legendary 4 Muskateers storyline.

Sonni/Solita: The soapiest of soap stories, but it was not cheesy, but compelling with a thousand twists/turns. And acting? Michelle Forbes/Kim Zimmer going at it for years! It drove Michelle Forbes insane.

Talk about insane, the Marion/Brent storyline! Powerhouse writing, acting, dark, humor, dark, intensity.

by Anonymousreply 103May 7, 2024 2:29 AM

How many storylines were unique like Marion/Brent?

Perhaps that is the standard.

by Anonymousreply 104May 7, 2024 3:25 AM

I went to high school with Felicity La Fortune, who did stints on a number of ABC soaps. She was an incredible Miss Adelaide in our production of Guys and Dolls. I expected her to have a bigger career.

by Anonymousreply 105May 7, 2024 3:27 AM

Generations gave us this catfight. More campy than Showgirls, if that's possible.

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by Anonymousreply 106May 7, 2024 3:33 AM

We know, R106, we just saw it like ten posts before yours

by Anonymousreply 107May 7, 2024 4:01 AM

Everyone repeats themselves on these threads r107. I suspect you have too, at least in acting as hall monitor.

by Anonymousreply 108May 7, 2024 4:05 AM


Come get me.....bitch!

by Anonymousreply 109May 7, 2024 4:29 AM

Not into you Justin

by Anonymousreply 110May 7, 2024 4:36 AM

GH was HUGE in the early 80s. They even had a hit song. AMC late 80s/Early 90s.

by Anonymousreply 111May 7, 2024 4:36 AM

Sally says RECYCLE!

by Anonymousreply 112May 7, 2024 5:02 AM

Another vote for "Dark Shadows," if only because of how many millions of people have watched it beyond its original run, and are still watching today. It's an American pop culture phenomenon. It's been years, but I just started rewatching it from the very beginning about a month ago.

by Anonymousreply 113May 7, 2024 5:21 AM

R111 Being huge doesn’t equate to quality. GH was very, very good for a stretch, then rode that reputation when it was ridiculous or/and violent. And it had stretches of being terrible terrible terrible.

by Anonymousreply 114May 7, 2024 10:47 AM

[quote] GH was HUGE in the early 80s. They even had a hit song

GH made many songs hits in its heyday years, among them

RISE by Herb Alpert

BABY COME TO ME by Patti Austin and James Ingram


THINK OF LAURA by Christopher Cross

by Anonymousreply 115May 7, 2024 2:25 PM

Who can forget a song INSPIRED by GH, the immortal “General Hospi-TALE”?

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by Anonymousreply 116May 7, 2024 2:35 PM

Song Shmong.

We had a board game!

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by Anonymousreply 117May 7, 2024 2:37 PM

Whoops. That was supposed to be a pic of the “As the World Turns” board game but it was too exciting.

by Anonymousreply 118May 7, 2024 2:38 PM

I just watched another ATWT episode from 1988. John and Lucinda throw a huge bash for their first anniversary. The Synder clan walks in, and Lucinda says derisively, "Ah, the farm brigade."

I wonder how often Hubbard ad-libbed.

by Anonymousreply 119May 7, 2024 3:46 PM

Hubbard was notorious for ad living.

by Anonymousreply 120May 7, 2024 3:49 PM

[quote] I wonder how often Hubbard ad-libbed.

Apparently, only on days of the week that ended in Y.......

One of my favorite Liz adlibs was at Lisa's wedding to.....Earl Mitchell, maybe? Sometime in '87 I think. Lucinda is there along with James Stenbeck (!) Lisa walks down the aisle in her gown and Lucinda, turning to James, exclaims (loud enough for everyone to hear) "She's wearing WHITE??!!??"

(It was Lisa's seventh or eighth wedding, after all...)

by Anonymousreply 121May 7, 2024 3:51 PM

R72: My vote goes to ATWT, too. Watching Kathleen Widdoes with Lisa Brown, and Elizabeth Hubbard with Larry Bryggman was like watching great theatre.

by Anonymousreply 122May 7, 2024 9:48 PM

Y&R benefitted from an almost no competition time slot while 2/3pm with GL/GH/AW was brutal.

I look at how long did each soap give us true quality. Each of them, for the most part, had great peaks while suffering through some shit times.

GL- 40 years of great storytelling ATWT- close to 40 years AW- 25? YR-25? Days- Quality? Camp, many years! OLTL- 25/30? AMC-25/30? BB- ahahahahahahahahaha 0

by Anonymousreply 123May 7, 2024 10:39 PM

Was there much cross networking going on. As a die hard ABC fan, I only ventured over to CBS for Y&R occasionally. It does seem like the fan bases were network loyal as well.

by Anonymousreply 124May 7, 2024 10:54 PM

This is interesting.

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by Anonymousreply 125May 7, 2024 10:57 PM

r122 Kathleen Widdoes (and Sam Waterston) in Much Ado.

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by Anonymousreply 126May 7, 2024 11:13 PM

Kathleen Widdoes shows her boobies in the bizarre film “Savages.”

She’s also the least focused upon member of the group in “The Group.” Well, maybe after Pokey.

by Anonymousreply 127May 7, 2024 11:31 PM

What are we, chopped liver?!

Why, we invented the entire genre!! And you just know that Backstage Wife would have had you boys listening to every episode... why the thrilling opening alone... "Now, we present once again, Backstage Wife, the story of Mary Noble, a little Iowa girl who married one of America's most handsome actors, Larry Noble, matinée idol of a million other women — the story of what it means to be the wife of a famous star."

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by Anonymousreply 128May 8, 2024 12:05 AM

R126: Fabulous!! I send you a hug. R127: She was also in, "Petulia" with Julie Christie and George C. Scott.

by Anonymousreply 129May 8, 2024 12:47 AM

Adding another vote for Santa Barbara.

And how the hell did Edge of Night not make the list? That’s deserves a spot in the top 3 OP.

by Anonymousreply 130May 8, 2024 1:06 AM

[quote] My vote goes to ATWT, too. Watching Kathleen Widdoes with Lisa Brown, and Elizabeth Hubbard with Larry Bryggman was like watching great theatre.

Yes. The critic "Marlena DeLacroix" wrote a whole review of ATWT where she said it was like great repertory theater.

Which, as said back at R82, is often when all the stories are humming and everything is just clicking.

by Anonymousreply 131May 8, 2024 1:49 AM

The City. end of thread.

by Anonymousreply 132May 8, 2024 1:53 AM

Morgan, you left that show as soon as fast as your ass could carry you.

by Anonymousreply 133May 8, 2024 2:05 AM

After the checks were cashed of course.

by Anonymousreply 134May 8, 2024 2:11 AM

R125. The soap digest awards were a joke.

by Anonymousreply 135May 8, 2024 10:44 AM

General Hospital, I love doctor movies. And Dominic Zamprogna handsome :)

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by Anonymousreply 136May 8, 2024 10:59 AM

The Speedo that launched a thousand orgasms.......

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by Anonymousreply 137May 8, 2024 3:25 PM

Including mine, r137!

by Anonymousreply 138May 8, 2024 3:40 PM

R7, two favorite Lucinda/Liz ad libs were when she was trying to convince Barbara not to sell her Simply Barbara when Babara went off to jail.

"Darling, Simply Barbara without Barbara simply wouldn't be Simply Barbara."

and when Tonio dared to question Lucinda's continued friendship after he was the doghouse after Lucinda found out their affair; she snarked at him: "I like her! She's pretty! I like her!"

by Anonymousreply 139May 8, 2024 3:48 PM

Adlibing is hard on the rest of the cast. That's one of the big reasons they didn't take Dorothy Lyman back on AMC. She would adlib most of her scenes.

by Anonymousreply 140May 8, 2024 6:21 PM

I didn’t watch AMC but thanks to Soap Opera Digest and Christopher Schermering’s “Soap Opera Encyclopedia,” I learned a lot.

So did anybody else think that the end of the Jenny/Greg relationship was rather cruel to the viewers? Explosive water skis? That’s not a nice way to end a super couple.

by Anonymousreply 141May 8, 2024 6:45 PM

It was definitely a letdown r141 and I assume its viewership was a ratings winner. I was postgrad then and I watched with my advisor and his wife, another prof, in his office, along with about five other students. Tight squeeze. We all groaned.

by Anonymousreply 142May 8, 2024 7:11 PM

“Somerset” spun off from “Another World” before the LeMay golden age. Was AW already that popular in 1970?

by Anonymousreply 143May 8, 2024 11:04 PM

Another World was in the top 5 the year Somerset premiered.

Agnes Nixon’s writing pushed it from near cancellation to 2nd place by 1968.

It was tied with ATWT for #1 or #2 in the ratings until 1978, when Gloria Monty and Doug Marland took over GH. Then it fell to 8th, plummeting to 12th when Beverlee McKinsey left.

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by Anonymousreply 144May 8, 2024 11:15 PM

Agnes had just left Guiding Light. I think I read she pissed off Irna because she kept killing off popular characters. Irna came back to write briefly. What happened to GL from 72-76? Its ratings went from top 3 to 8/9 then back up to top 4/5 from 76 through 85.

Y&R absolutely benefitted from its time slot. There’s no way it would have ascended to #1 in any other time slot. It was up against the low rated, old SFT and RH.

by Anonymousreply 145May 8, 2024 11:44 PM

From what I understand GL was a mess storyline wise from the time Agnes left until the Dobsons came on board in 1975. Also, weren’t they in the same timeslot as Another World and General Hospital (which was highly rated in the early 70s)?

by Anonymousreply 146May 8, 2024 11:50 PM

GH was not that much above GL and GL and only for 3 year then GL over took it by 1975. Agnes left GL in 1968. GL stayed top 3 until 1972 to ‘76.

by Anonymousreply 147May 9, 2024 12:01 AM

R147 GL stayed top 3 until 1972, then fell to 8 or 9th until the Dobsons lit it up in 1975. Irna’s writing must’ve kept it going well until it hit a minor rough patch in 1972.

So, what stories caught on with GL when the Dobsons took over? What the hell made GH fall so sharply until it was almost canceled? What the hell is the Jingles the Clown story about? I need to know!

by Anonymousreply 148May 9, 2024 12:37 AM

I want to know how Guiding Light was able to escape being labeled “old” and remained hip against the newer, younger ABC shows. Was it dropping the “The” from its name? J/K

by Anonymousreply 149May 9, 2024 1:24 AM

In their first year, the Dobsons added Rita and tied her to Roger, then added the Marlers and began the Phillip paternity story. Maureen Garrett took over as Holly, and a year later the Spauldings arrived.

These stories all felt contemporary, unlike the other Proctor and Gamble shows. Doug Marland was able to build on these stories and provide very effective counter programming to GH.

General Hospital was in the doldrums from 1974 to 1977 or so. The show felt very old fashioned, with stilted dialogue, static direction, and cheap sets.

by Anonymousreply 150May 9, 2024 1:57 AM

R118, GH also had a board game.

by Anonymousreply 151May 9, 2024 2:27 AM

R150 Thank you!😘

by Anonymousreply 152May 9, 2024 2:49 AM

I still have this somewhere.

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by Anonymousreply 153May 9, 2024 2:55 AM

Someone tell me about Jingles the Clown!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 154May 9, 2024 2:59 AM

R154 Never mind I found a synopsis on Reddit. It sounds like a bad ass storyline, completely engrossing, well written, scary. Love it!

by Anonymousreply 155May 9, 2024 3:59 AM

Y&R did have the best production values and sets. When you switched channels and looked at the ABC soaps, the difference was noticeable. Bad, washed-out lighting and cheap sets.

Y&R had the Chancellor mansion with the crystal decanters, the Collonnade Room, The Embers more casual restaurant, and the Abbots’ house.

The hairstyles on Y&R were nice, too, except Nicki, whose hair looked like a thick, bleached blonde wig (with black roots before that became a thing).

by Anonymousreply 156May 9, 2024 4:17 AM

AW was the best of the bunch in the 70s.

by Anonymousreply 157May 9, 2024 4:28 AM

Did Y&R have the only fat girl?

by Anonymousreply 158May 9, 2024 10:00 AM

Sometimes ratings had to do with time slot. In the 60s it was ATWT/GL 1 and 2 all decade. GL had the more competitive time slot so it lost out at #1. In the 70s, GH & AW got hot, they were up against perennial ratings giant GL so that time slot was the most competitive allowing ATWT to eek out #1.

by Anonymousreply 159May 9, 2024 10:36 AM

R159 Yes, for a long stretch of time GH, GL and AW all were at or near the top because they had the end of day time slot.

YR has been #1 for years because it's at the lunch time slot.

by Anonymousreply 160May 9, 2024 12:57 PM

R155, can you share that Reddit link?

by Anonymousreply 161May 9, 2024 2:27 PM

Here is an episode of “Somerset” during the Jingles the clown story.

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by Anonymousreply 162May 9, 2024 2:39 PM

R158 Yes Traci Abbot, who was not that fat but compared to stick thin Lauren Fenmore, was a pig and had beautiful Ashely Abbot as a sister. There was one scene where she was working out trying to lose weight and there was Lauren in the gym purposely taking her measurements and yelling them out loudly so Traci knew who was the thin pretty princess. Bell carried that theme through in Bold and Beautiful with Katie Logan who had really bad skin rather being that fat girl.

by Anonymousreply 163May 9, 2024 3:10 PM

Didn’t Lauren embarrass Traci by inviting her to a pool party but it was a regular party and Traci was the only one who showed up in a bathing suit?

by Anonymousreply 164May 9, 2024 3:29 PM

I think it was a bikini party and Traci showed up in a one suit; Beth Maitland and Tracey Bregman are good pals in real life.

Bregman has said today you couldn't tell that story of someone calling someone else fat. It wouldn't fly.

by Anonymousreply 165May 9, 2024 3:32 PM

This was a nice scene on Y&R-Lauren finally apologizes for fat shaming Traci.

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by Anonymousreply 166May 9, 2024 3:49 PM

The fat should always be shamed.

by Anonymousreply 167May 9, 2024 4:24 PM

John nicknaming Ashley "Beauty" and Traci "Pumpkin" didn't really help matters.

by Anonymousreply 168May 9, 2024 4:32 PM

Mami was always ready with the grapefruit, melba toast, and skim milk at break for Traci. The others got fat stacks of pancakes.

by Anonymousreply 169May 9, 2024 4:35 PM

If you think that is bad, On B&B when Stephanie goes to Ridge to help get Eric, her husband back. Ridge takes her to a mirror and calls her a fat pig who lost her looks and if she wants him back she needs to lose a ton of weight and get plastic surgery.

by Anonymousreply 170May 9, 2024 4:40 PM

Don't forget what old Bucky did to me.

by Anonymousreply 171May 9, 2024 6:04 PM

Y&R did a fat storyline way, way back in the early days. In a weird twist, Mrs. Chancellor found herself sexually attracted to the now thin actress.

by Anonymousreply 172May 9, 2024 6:39 PM

"The one thing I shall shall treasure, now and forever, is L-O-V-I-N-G !"

Was that the only soap with words to its theme music?

by Anonymousreply 173May 9, 2024 6:45 PM

No r173. One Life, Passions, Another World, even Search had them at one time or other

by Anonymousreply 174May 9, 2024 6:57 PM

“Ryan’s Hope” had lyrics. “Jere’s to Us” was the name of the song. “All My Children” had lyrics. YR had lyrics.

I had an album in the 80s with soap songs. And then there were the New Christy Minstrels with their 1976 album of soap themes. If the song was. Instrumental, they’d just sing the title randomly during the song.

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by Anonymousreply 175May 9, 2024 7:32 PM

Another World

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by Anonymousreply 176May 9, 2024 7:33 PM

As the World Turns

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by Anonymousreply 177May 9, 2024 7:34 PM

Disco “Young and the Restless..”a

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by Anonymousreply 178May 9, 2024 7:36 PM

r171 Stuck his big marker in you and created CJ?

by Anonymousreply 179May 9, 2024 7:39 PM

Later years GL had lyrics.

GL had the BEST theme of all time in the mid 80s. I’ll die on that hill.

by Anonymousreply 180May 9, 2024 9:31 PM

R161 Google “jingles the clown soap opera” and it comes up right on top.

by Anonymousreply 181May 9, 2024 9:33 PM

Thanks, R181.

by Anonymousreply 182May 9, 2024 9:38 PM

I would have loved the Jingles the Clown story. Soaps should have done more of those instead of the over the top “Ice princess” BS ridiculousness. I know GL did Sonni/Solita which got a bit dark (and so wonderful) and Brent/Marion which got really dark ( and really wonderful).

by Anonymousreply 183May 9, 2024 9:44 PM

I loved Sonny/Solita. I missed a lot of it and maybe saw the last three months and I loved it. I do remember that it went on for a much longer time than expected due to the 1988 writer’s strike.

by Anonymousreply 184May 9, 2024 10:41 PM

Does anybody remember the “Lisa at the inn” story from “As the World Turns” in the late 70s? Marland started that storyline and it has a lot of his hallmarks.

by Anonymousreply 185May 9, 2024 11:32 PM

The serial killer story line on Days was interesting at the start and then the whole fake death, fake salem thing was just stupid.

by Anonymousreply 186May 9, 2024 11:39 PM

The Salem Strangler and the Riverfront Knifer, now those were serial killers! None of this newfangled Necktie Killer bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 187May 9, 2024 11:46 PM

My mom watched “Days” and “AW” and I always thought DOOL was boring, even when it was a fan favorite in the 80s. And then once Satan came to Salem, I just thought it was stupid. Maybe no longer boring but stupid.

by Anonymousreply 188May 10, 2024 12:37 AM

I think Elizabeth Hubbard's ad-libs added tremendously to the character of Lucinda. She seemed real, not wooden, unlike many soap characters.

by Anonymousreply 189May 10, 2024 1:06 AM

I hearts Jingles and Ivan Kipling

by Anonymousreply 190May 10, 2024 1:11 AM

Sonni/Solita was epic. That was good fucking soap opera. The fact it went on so long, with all the twists and turns, plus Zimmer and Forbes locking acting horns was something to see!

by Anonymousreply 191May 10, 2024 1:17 AM

Rosemary Prinz was damn resolute when she decided to do the first six months of AMC and that was it. Never returned.

by Anonymousreply 192May 10, 2024 2:07 AM

Who did she play r192?

by Anonymousreply 193May 10, 2024 2:26 AM

R193, she played Amy Tyler. She got a “special guest Star” billing in the opening credits.

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by Anonymousreply 194May 10, 2024 6:46 AM

Guiding Light

by Anonymousreply 195May 10, 2024 11:08 AM

This has been a very informative, very respectful thread.

by Anonymousreply 196May 10, 2024 7:05 PM

I thought Beth Ehlers from Guiding Light was going to have a breakout career. I remember even mainstream/non soap related media was talking her up.

by Anonymousreply 197May 10, 2024 7:08 PM

Didn't Ehlers shit the bed at AMC by bitching about her war vet co-star?

by Anonymousreply 198May 10, 2024 7:22 PM

Thought Jessica Tuck or Roger Howarth were going to break out. Same goes for Jonathan Jackson.

I guess Tom Pelphrey and Billy M. (From ATWT) came the closest from soaps of recent years. Did I miss someone?

by Anonymousreply 199May 10, 2024 7:27 PM

I thought Heather Tom would bust out too.

by Anonymousreply 200May 10, 2024 7:39 PM

Matt Bomer was on Guiding Light

by Anonymousreply 201May 10, 2024 8:01 PM

Justin Hartley is a successful tv lead actor

by Anonymousreply 202May 10, 2024 11:26 PM

Josh Duhamel has had a successful career beyond daytime.

by Anonymousreply 203May 11, 2024 12:07 AM

Jesse Metcalfe has done very well for himself since leaving Passions.

by Anonymousreply 204May 11, 2024 12:08 AM

Jensen Ackles is quite successful.

by Anonymousreply 205May 11, 2024 12:10 AM

I excepted present-day Jon Hensley to be hotter than this:

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by Anonymousreply 206May 11, 2024 12:14 AM

although not on the list, I'd add RYAN'S HOPE. I think the best actors (generally) were on the NY soaps, particularly ATWT, OLTL and RYANS HOPE. I miss the soap channel and the old episodes of classic soaps. I think the Marland years at ATWT were by far the best, Barbara and Lucinda being the stars of that era. Judith Light on OLTL along with Sleak and Strasser and Helen Gallagher, Bernie Barrow and Ilene Kristen were the best. My husband and I have been watching old soap episodes on YouTube and the writing and storylines seem so much better than the few that are currently being produced. I just asked this on the other thread, but its kind of dead so maybe someone will know the answer here: Who is the actor who plays Barbar's doctor during her cancer storyline? My husband thinks his character was related to John Dixon, and he was on often at the time of this story. Does anyone know who he is? looks familiar, but can't place him. He's at the top of this clip

by Anonymousreply 207May 11, 2024 12:27 AM

207 here, oops here's the link

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by Anonymousreply 208May 11, 2024 12:28 AM

R170, she showed them! She just got bigger and bigger

One soap critic called Stephanie a 'filing cabinet in a sports coat.'

by Anonymousreply 209May 11, 2024 7:25 AM

I love how Flannery's last 5-10 years were a total victory lap with zero fucks to give. It was a joy to watch. What a broad.

by Anonymousreply 210May 11, 2024 7:31 AM

Would have been Bold and the Beautiful, which at times used to, and still does utilize humor, and horror, but now its just become wildly stupid and almost deliberately, stupidly written. WTF

by Anonymousreply 211May 11, 2024 8:02 AM

36 years later and this still makes me cry.

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by Anonymousreply 212May 11, 2024 8:05 AM

I know it’s weird to call someone with two Emmys “underrated” but I feel like Julia Barr isn’t talked about enough when the subject of best soap actors is brought up.

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by Anonymousreply 213May 11, 2024 8:16 AM

Laura’s tragic death kicked off years of great story for Brooke, and Julia Barr met each and every moment. After over a decade on the show, Brooke really came into her own during this time and became the show’s central heroine yet characters like Natalie, Dixie and (obviously) Erica had their own incredible stories. AMC was so balanced back then with so many well drawn characters.

by Anonymousreply 214May 11, 2024 11:35 AM

Longtime AMC hater here- it was mom's show and a slog, I thought OLTL was THE only soap.

That clip at 212 is probably one of the TOP 10 best acted scenes in TV for me- ever- daytime/nighttime.

I can honestly say that Julia Barr was probably the Top 5 actor in all of daytime- male/female. You want to talk about an actor being "in the moment" without a false note- its that scene. And when she lets out that weird heave/yelp/laugh- its unnerving and very real-

Oddly enough, as they are both mentioned- Susan Flannery and Elizabeth Hubbard- I would put those 2 in the Top 10- I was into B&B on occasion and ATWT was a show that never interested me at all- but I would literally switch to ATWT during OLTL commercials just hoping to see "that lady". She was fucking mesmerizing. And I remember those Connor Jamison/"Walsh Take over scenes- had me watching the entire show for a week- she was that good. Never watched again- but it was like watching a really good film.

by Anonymousreply 215May 11, 2024 12:20 PM

There was something about Barr that wa s so dignified. She embodied so much about the so-called modern woman. She was strong, independent, but also so very vulnerable.

by Anonymousreply 216May 11, 2024 2:31 PM

Julia was the best actress on any soap at any time. She didn't start out that way but watching her grow was half the fun. Plus she was one of those actresses that had chemistry with any male lead they paired her with.

by Anonymousreply 217May 11, 2024 3:15 PM

R216- Agree-- She did elevate every scene, and she certainly elevated the overrated Lucci in EVERY scene.

Whenever I had to watch AMC- SHE was the that I always found interesting. She gave complexity to that character and never really filled a heroine/victim/villian slot- It was like watching a real human being.

She is amazing.

by Anonymousreply 218May 11, 2024 3:24 PM

Julia won the Emmy but I can't believe they put her in the supporting actress category. Jill actually looks quite beautiful when not dressed up as Opal. I'll always hate fakeOpal but she looks good.

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by Anonymousreply 219May 11, 2024 3:30 PM

Jill Larson to me is Ursulla Blackwell.

I was so happy to see her get such a major and coveted roll on AMC. (role)

by Anonymousreply 220May 11, 2024 3:32 PM

Jill Larson was memorable in a small recurring role she had very early on in As the World Turns. She played gossip reporter Judith Clayton and was always popping up when she was least wanted. Even then, she had a really good presence.

by Anonymousreply 221May 11, 2024 3:41 PM

Dorothy Lyman as Opal was one of those lighting in a bottle, once in a lifetime soap characters—she was electrifying, and packed a lot into the 2-3 years she was on the show.

Still, Jill Larson was a great replacement. She made Opal her own, and you couldn’t help but love her and root for her.

by Anonymousreply 222May 11, 2024 4:02 PM

I loved Opal on Battle Star

by Anonymousreply 223May 11, 2024 4:06 PM

Isn’t it funny how soaps appeal (or don’t) to different people. AMC was my favorite, always, but I couldn’t stand One Life to Live. I thought it was boring and full of ugly people..haha. But when I’d watch with friends, I did like Tina, of course. And Dorian. If they weren’t on, I was bored. Cord in a speedo wasn’t bad.

by Anonymousreply 224May 11, 2024 4:09 PM

I hate people who make fun of soaps. They could never just let us enjoy the genre. They have no idea how important the shows were to people. I know it's corny as hell but when they axed my stories it was like having 50 or so family members die in one day.

by Anonymousreply 225May 11, 2024 4:11 PM

Speaking of comedic talent, what about Marj Dusay? Remember when Palmer forced her to pluck and clean all those chickens to which she exclaimed "Pluck you".

by Anonymousreply 226May 11, 2024 4:39 PM

Poor Dusay. She was talented and yet she was always brought in as the replacement (Myrna Clegg on “Capitol,” Pamela on “Santa Barbara”, Alex on “Guiding Light”) except maybe on AMC?

Even on “The Facts of Life,” Dusay was not the first actress to play Blair’s mom.

by Anonymousreply 227May 11, 2024 5:02 PM

Dorthy Lyman was pretty much a one note. AMC, Mama's Family, and then B&B she played the same character over and over.

by Anonymousreply 228May 11, 2024 5:37 PM

R228, she was a sophisticated career woman on AW.

by Anonymousreply 229May 11, 2024 5:38 PM

How about Lyman’s character Elly Jo Jamison on “The Edge of Night”?

by Anonymousreply 230May 11, 2024 5:40 PM

R224- Its true- The way you described OLTL is how I described AMC.

(I will give AMC this- I can see how folks liked it during that 82-84 era) It does have a VERY safe, comforting, and homey vibe. it was charming? And i really cannot say that I am surprised that it won this poll. And i can even see the appeal of Jenny/Greg and Angie/Jessie

The show's legendary humor was hokey to me(with the exception of Phoebe- that bitch was FUNNY- and I remember my grandparents loving Phoebe and them laughing their asses off)

by Anonymousreply 231May 11, 2024 6:00 PM

R221 I think Marland saw Larson in a play and had a role in her being cast as Judith.

You saw how bitchy and opportunistic Judith could be when she interviewed Marsha Talbot during Kim's trial.

Odd...I can reference these near 40 year old stories like they were yesterday but I have little interest in today's Golden Age of TV.

by Anonymousreply 232May 11, 2024 7:37 PM

AMC finally updated their intro at some point. I know it needed it, but I missed the original photo album and organ music. I found it comforting.

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by Anonymousreply 233May 11, 2024 9:36 PM

Kim Zimmer was the best actress. You could give her anything and she’d deliver every time. She was great from the start. She was also very funny. She was great at comedy, and knew how to deliver a line in the most cutting way.

by Anonymousreply 234May 11, 2024 9:49 PM


Watching the early 2000s intros reminded me how much I loved Simone and Leo…and hated Ryan and Babe.

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by Anonymousreply 235May 11, 2024 9:51 PM

I could never stand AMC.

This has been a very respectful thread. I think it is we are just enjoying hearing about other soaps we didn’t watch or didn’t watch much plus the different storylines. I started checking out Brent/Marion on GL and love it. I also checked out Jingles the Clown and damn, love it.

What’s is tragic is P&G erased most of their shows episodes prior to 1979. Literally taped over them. How tragic! All that soap history is gone. We are talking iconic shows like GL, ATWT histories erased.

by Anonymousreply 236May 11, 2024 9:55 PM

I love that story, R215. I loved Lucinda. She was always entertaining. There was a scene when Lucinda and several others were sitting on a couch and the phone rang. Something must have gone wrong with props as nobody could find the phone and the actor who played her long-suffering lawyer Ambrose pulled it from under his thigh and without skipping a beat, Hubbard laughed and went, “You’re sitting on it! You silly thing!” and Lucinda went right on answering her phone.

by Anonymousreply 237May 11, 2024 10:36 PM

AWs best years r236.

by Anonymousreply 238May 11, 2024 10:36 PM

In 1991, they seemed to be steering Duncan in Lucinda’s direction and when she was depressed after losing Walsh Enterprises, Duncan came by and Michael Swan ran on screen dripping wet in a Speedo and I almost lost it.

Swan was apparently an ass (he broke Margaret Reed’s heart) but damn he looked good.

by Anonymousreply 239May 11, 2024 10:39 PM

No telling what I'd pay for a complete series DVD of AMC, OLTL, and Loving. I really have a soft spot for loving. It had to be really tight because it was only a 1/2 hour. I started that in the summer of 8th grade and followed it to the end. I was never disappointed except for the loss of original Curtis and fucking up the Lilly character. A whole epp of Loving

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by Anonymousreply 240May 11, 2024 10:44 PM

I heard that the AMC studios were so small that they had to truck in the sets from Jersey EVERY DAMN DAY. They should have just filmed in Jersey. Was OLTL filmed in the same studio?

by Anonymousreply 241May 11, 2024 10:45 PM

Soap Opera Digest used to go on and on around 1987 about how fabulous the sets were for “Loving.”

by Anonymousreply 242May 11, 2024 10:46 PM

General Hospital, though it revived the genre and I give it a bow, was the worst.

by Anonymousreply 243May 11, 2024 10:50 PM

Heard a GH story that producers made Steve Bond start wearing swim shorts as his bikinis were showing too much.

by Anonymousreply 244May 11, 2024 11:07 PM

I knew AMC would win but I’m glad the underrated “Concerning Miss Vance” is getting a respectable backing.

by Anonymousreply 245May 11, 2024 11:08 PM

R239 He's a hardcore MAGA now but even a few years ago he looked hot as fuck.

He had a long line of women at ATWT who wanted to fuck him, date him or marry him. And probably a few of the guys too.

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by Anonymousreply 246May 11, 2024 11:13 PM


Heard every time someone went for a snack or the bathroom, during the commercials, and took too long.

by Anonymousreply 247May 11, 2024 11:14 PM

The one soap opera I'd like to see from the start is The Edge of Night. Froma Wiki page: The Edge of Night played on more artistic levels than probably any other soap of its time. It was unique among daytime soap operas in that it focused on crime, rather than domestic and romantic matters. The police, district attorneys, and medical examiners of fictional Monticello, United States, dealt with a steady onslaught of gangsters, drug dealers, blackmailers, cultists, international spies, corrupt politicians, psychopaths, and murderous debutantes, while at the same time coping with more usual soap opera problems like courtship, marriage, divorce, child custody battles, and amnesia.

And it had few writers, so it was focused (probably until its final years).

Murderous debutantes? I am so in!

There used to be a website for the show, but all I get now is an Error 404.

There were over 7,400 episodes, just 1,800 are in syndication... I hope someone has all of the scripts.

by Anonymousreply 248May 11, 2024 11:17 PM

[quote] Heard a GH story that producers made Steve Bond start wearing swim shorts as his bikinis were showing too much.

I know of one Guiding Light actor from later years that had to be told to wear long cut boxer briefs because his dick was both big (VPL) and also long enough that the head would slip out of the bottom of the regular mid cut ones.

by Anonymousreply 249May 11, 2024 11:19 PM

Phillip's dong!

by Anonymousreply 250May 11, 2024 11:27 PM

We've all seen Steve Bond's dick, haven't we?

I watched a lot of Edge of Night in the 60s & 70s. It had the coolest theme music, even early on. You knew it was not the average soap. It had some of the romantic and domestic plots of all the others but crime of some kind was forefront. Both my living grandparents, from different sides of the family and hated each other, grandpa and gran, watched together.

by Anonymousreply 251May 11, 2024 11:31 PM

Harry Slesar, who was the Edge of Night head writer from 1968-83 won an Edgar Award from the Mystery Writers of America for his work on EON.

by Anonymousreply 252May 11, 2024 11:35 PM

Steve and his dong. God he was fucking gorgeous.

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by Anonymousreply 253May 11, 2024 11:36 PM

Look at Kin. Looking like he actually stands a chance.

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by Anonymousreply 254May 11, 2024 11:37 PM

Kin has humor, something Steve can't even spell.

by Anonymousreply 255May 11, 2024 11:51 PM

Edge of Tomorrow. Honor St. Raven was a hoot.

by Anonymousreply 256May 11, 2024 11:55 PM

R250 this particular actor wasn't the guy who played Philip tho

by Anonymousreply 257May 12, 2024 12:19 AM

r236- I am really trying to behave myself. I only joined DL in 2001 (I was 22!!) because OLTL was THE soap here... It kills me to see how no one talks about it here anymore and is basically last in the major categories in this poll.

That was my show of all time (now joined by The Sopranos, The Comeback, Mad Men, Beef -in my personal pantheon)

But AMC was my mom's show and it actually makes me happy to see the love for it here. And I always had my eyes glued on Julia Barr when she was on-

I am pulling for GL- a show I watched for 3 months in 88- and was blown away.

I have revisited it's different "primes" on Youtube and it was a damn fine show.

Mad respect for that show facing GH in 1984 and doing insanely well- and beating OLTL!!!!

OLTL looked like a stodgy old fashioned fucking mess in that 83-84 era- Just plain old stodgy.

by Anonymousreply 258May 12, 2024 12:22 AM

R237- That lady was AMAZING- I used to watch the daytime emmys and just be amazed by her little clips that they would show!!!

My fave was "Ambrose- wait for it! Wait for it! Sierra is considering going BACK TO MONTEGA, to give Craig- SPACE!--- SPACE!!????

I also HIGHLY recommend the Fairman interview with Martha and Elizabeth- Elizabeth was an absolutely creative actress- You really need to watch the interview-

I came away even more of a fan.

She must have been utterly infuriating to work with- and absolutely enthralling to work with for actors wanting to walk a tightrope. She had an incredible mind.

by Anonymousreply 259May 12, 2024 12:28 AM

R242- Holy shit! I thought Loving was garbage but the show DID LOOK GOOD in that 87-89 era! I actually noticed that on Youtube! That was Joe Stuart- and they also had good background music, and I learned that they also used Score Productions like OLTL. OLTL had the BEST background music under Rauch- Michel Camilo was the composer and he still tours today.

Loving looked better than AMC and OLTL.

by Anonymousreply 260May 12, 2024 12:31 AM

I liked Lisa Peluso.

by Anonymousreply 261May 12, 2024 12:40 AM

R259 was that Fairman or Locher?

The Locher Room with Liz and Martha is probably one of the best, if not THE best session Alan Locher ever did

by Anonymousreply 262May 12, 2024 12:40 AM

YES! sorry- i meant Locher!!!! And we clearly saw the same interview.

Liz was a true artist and genius and that interview proved it. It was fascinating.

I wish that she lived to be 100- she seemed like the kind of woman who would.

by Anonymousreply 263May 12, 2024 12:43 AM

As I’ve said multiple times in this thread, AMC was my show, but my God, ATWT was so good in the back half of the 80s. I hated Lily, but I loved pretty much everyone else and most of the storylines. Lisa Brown was so good as downtrodden Iva (and so different from Nola on GL), of course Liz/Lucinda and her shenanigans, but also a couple of underrated actresses—the sexy and interesting Melanie Smith as Emily and Jennifer Ashe as Meg, the Snyder troublemaker. GREAT scene when she and Josh illicitly did it out on the Snyder Eavesdropping Porch! Jennifer was also the original Lily on Loving—I watched that the first year or so and it was a great soap..until it wasn’t.

Loved Shannon and Duncan and their troubles with his crazy ex wife. Loved the Tom/Margo/Barbara triangle (but hated when Gregg Marx left and Scott Holmes took over) and how they used all the vets. Lastly, ATWT had one of my two favorite soap actresses ever, Julianne Moore. (The other is Kate Collins, AMC). She drove two of my favorite soap storylines, the Douglas Cummings mystery and the Frannie/Seth/Sabrina story. OMG, how I wanted to be with Seth Snyder..in the moonlight..at the pond..I would have even let him call me Frannie!

I *had* to vote for AMC, but if I could’ve voted twice, I would have voted for ATWT. I’m glad they are the Top 2 in this poll!

by Anonymousreply 264May 12, 2024 12:46 AM

Voting for Y&R. The only show to have a black man masquerade as a white man to catch a racist crime boss by getting engaged to his daughter. Suprise bitch I am black!

by Anonymousreply 265May 12, 2024 1:00 AM

R265- Y&R could win for me and I would have no issues.

Y&R was my other show next to OLTL.

The production alone, makes it Top 3.

Cassandra Rawlins

Sheila Carter

David Kimball/Nina


Victor (Sorry I am a huge Braeden fan)



It could make the most over the top and also cliche storylines seem classy and elevated. Just due to the quality of the production-

I even loved the stylized and trite dialogue.

Y&R ruled. And it made every other show look cheap.

Linda Gottlieb thought she made her show look cinematic in 1993 when Y&R looked like that in 1980.

by Anonymousreply 266May 12, 2024 1:23 AM

Were "reformed rapist" storylines really popular among viewers? They seemed ubiquitous.

by Anonymousreply 267May 12, 2024 2:30 AM

The hotness

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by Anonymousreply 268May 12, 2024 2:33 AM

R263 yes, I loved it. I was madly in love with her before and even more so after. She was just.....I need to go back and watch it again, so much wisdom.

by Anonymousreply 269May 12, 2024 2:40 AM

R269- It was not just a lesson for actors, that video and her vibe/wisdom was a lesson for living.

And this is someone who watched maybe 9 hours of ATWT in total. Maybe another 5 hours on YT.

It's that fucking good.

by Anonymousreply 270May 12, 2024 2:51 AM

Didn't Larry Bryggman continually trash the soap genre?

by Anonymousreply 271May 12, 2024 2:54 AM

And mind you- I never discovered pre 1988 Y&R until YT around 2015? (i am 44)

That Jack/Jill shit from 1985 is the GOLD STANDARD. Just perfect.

Holy fuck! (I consider this on par with 85-86 OLTL which was- epic)

Bill Bell was the plotting MASTER. i love the slow, slow burn.

I wish there were more OLTL/Y&R fans- there were not two more opposite shows in the 80's, and they were such a great combo.

by Anonymousreply 272May 12, 2024 2:56 AM

R271- He did. But it paid his bills so he could do theatre.

Poor guy, working with Elizabeth Hubbard.

Also on a show that was critically lauded.

It does make him sound like a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 273May 12, 2024 2:58 AM

Another great Hubbard ad-lib:

When Craig returns, he goes to breakfast at the Snyder farm. Lucinda barges in and says to him, "You didn't write, you didn't call. Mohommed didn't come to the mountain, so the mountain, she's come to you."

(around 4:20 below)

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by Anonymousreply 274May 12, 2024 3:19 AM

^^^ meant 40:20

by Anonymousreply 275May 12, 2024 3:24 AM

R264 yes, ATWT was everything for about 2 and a half years. For all the reasons and actors you listed.

The Marland era had a few bumps.....one was at the beginning of 1988, when Martha Byrne, Julianne Moore and Hillary Bailey Smith all left within a short period (I think Hillary came and went a few times in 88 and may have been on maternity leave - but she was away a lot and left completely at the end of the year). The momentum of the show hit a wall.

There was a lull in 1989 as a result....and then the insipid and never ending Carolyn Crawford story in 1990-91.

ATWT got a bit of its momentum back with Ellen Dolan's Margo - first with the euthanasia story and then her rape. But losing Frannie and Sabrina, and then having the Lily with Pinched Sphincter Syndrome, kinda changed the vibe, and ATWT didn't get really close to the old vibe again until Marland's last year (and Byrne's return).

But oh man, 1985-87 was classic soap, all the way through.

I watched the scenes after Lily found out about Iva and Josh, the scenes between Lisa Brown, Larry Bryggman and Liz Hubbard. Just masterful. It was like good theater at least 2 or 3 of the five days a week.

by Anonymousreply 276May 12, 2024 3:33 AM

r268 Roscoe was beautiful. I don't know why he was always cast as such a dark, demented character.

by Anonymousreply 277May 12, 2024 3:34 AM

I remember when Roscoe died. How all the women he worked told stories of how they would all fall in love with him. Cook him dinners, ask him out, flirt on the set...LOL including Robin Strasser. Supposedly Robin was head over heels in love with him.

by Anonymousreply 278May 12, 2024 3:37 AM

Roscoe Born's Mitch was like the pulsating cum that pumped through OLTL.

He really made OLTL- HOT.

Look at clips from 83-84- It was like a 1940's melodrama.

by Anonymousreply 279May 12, 2024 3:43 AM

I wanted to be in a Gerry Anthony/Roscoe Born sandwich.

In college I had a fuck buddy who looked a whole lot like Marco Dane and was likely somehow connected to the mob - I didn't ask, though.

by Anonymousreply 280May 12, 2024 3:46 AM

A very young Roscoe on Ryan's Hope

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by Anonymousreply 281May 12, 2024 3:51 AM

If you can dig up some clips somewhere, and want to see a quality soap, way ahead of it's time, see if you can find some Love is a Many Splendored Thing.

by Anonymousreply 282May 12, 2024 4:02 AM

The early Doctors was also very good. Speaking of Liz Hubbard.

There was a point where it almost seemed like an American version of EastEnders....something not about rich people and drama.

Then it sorta went to melodrama and normal soap bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 283May 12, 2024 4:06 AM

I heard Mary Hartman is being rebooted with that Hampshire woman in the title role.

by Anonymousreply 284May 12, 2024 4:09 AM

Guiding Light wins in the end, for the history and consistency, minus the dreadful final two years that looked like a cheap knockoff of the preceding 70 (save the accidental chemistry turned slightly sapphic Otalia, which I kinda was stunned and pleased by.). The thing about GL is that it had so many fits of greatness through the years (fuck, even Rauch's first year was prime stuff - pardon me while I miscarry, refuse treatment, just so I can throw myself down a flight of stairs later at a party so I can blame my husband's not-dead ex-wife and get her on trial for murder). Killing Maureen Bauer in 1993 was the dagger to the heart of what was the-then 'old GL' - I'm guessing those in the 80s heard fans from the 70s crying the same foul when it was suddenly all Reardons - of which Maureen was the last one of - not to mebtion the atrocious treatment of Michael Zaslow after his ALS diagnosis also really soured me, yet I stayed til the end anyway.

by Anonymousreply 285May 12, 2024 4:26 AM

[quote]pardon me while I miscarry, refuse treatment, just so I can throw myself down a flight of stairs later at a party so I can blame my husband's not-dead ex-wife and get her on trial for murder).

And win an Emmy for doing all that too!

by Anonymousreply 286May 12, 2024 6:48 AM

Julianne, Martha, and Hillary leaving -- all major blows. I missed Hillary the most.

Despite this, circa June 1990, ATWT was ranked No. 2.

by Anonymousreply 287May 12, 2024 7:58 AM

AMC sure packed a lot of story for Natalie during the 7 years Kate Collins was on the show. I know the recast was terrible, but they should have never killed off Natalie.

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by Anonymousreply 288May 12, 2024 11:47 AM

What a great thread.

by Anonymousreply 289May 12, 2024 12:31 PM

I think Lemay's pre 90-minute AW is the best soap run ever but for the long run I'd probably pick GL. Yes, it sucked for the last five years or so but so did everything else. I never liked Y&R even though I loved Bill Bell's Days, and Bold and the Beautiful was trash from the start.

by Anonymousreply 290May 12, 2024 12:38 PM

R288- Kate Collins left a huge void when she departed AMC. Yes, they still had the likes of Susan Lucci and Julia Barr, but Natalie had become such a focal point, I really felt her absence. Thankfully Sarah Michelle Gellar came along and proved delightfully distracting but the show never really never felt the same to me. Robin Mattson was a very disappointing Janet because AMC kept up its tradition of reforming compelling villainesses. The less said about Melody the better. Truly awful.

by Anonymousreply 291May 12, 2024 1:58 PM

Did ANYBODY really think Lucci was that good of an actor?

by Anonymousreply 292May 12, 2024 3:46 PM

[quote]Bold and the Beautiful was trash from the start

r22 would like a word

by Anonymousreply 293May 12, 2024 3:50 PM

B&B only made it all due to the Sheila/Lauren crossover in 93? 94?

Even the brilliant Susan Flannery, Darlene Conley, and the very underrated Katherine Kelly Lange would not have salvaged that show-

I always liked John McCook too.. I found him very believable as Eric.

by Anonymousreply 294May 12, 2024 4:03 PM

B&B wasn't made by Kimberlin Brown joining the show. It was made by being one of the top shows on television outside of the United States.

by Anonymousreply 295May 12, 2024 4:08 PM

R295- I meant in the USA, Mr. Brad Bell!!

and there is no accounting for the bad taste of Europe!

by Anonymousreply 296May 12, 2024 4:19 PM

I remember ads for B&B in 1994 where Thorne and Macy were a huge singing duo. They were introduced on stage by Sally. I was like, “The fuck is this?” It seemed like they were from the late 70s/ early 80s with the cheesiness and outfits. This was at the apex of grunge and “alternative” music.

A friend said that the show was big in Europe so they fashioned the duo for a European music loving audience.

by Anonymousreply 297May 12, 2024 5:04 PM

I couldn't stand Nina on Y&R. All she needed was a side pony-tail to complete her look.

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by Anonymousreply 298May 12, 2024 5:06 PM

[quote] If you think that is bad, On B&B when Stephanie goes to Ridge to help get Eric, her husband back. Ridge takes her to a mirror and calls her a fat pig who lost her looks and if she wants him back she needs to lose a ton of weight and get plastic surgery.

I vaguely remember this. My cousin (a guy) could do a really good impression of Ridge Forrester. My sister can do a good impression of Victor Newman (but she has to be wearing a jacket).

by Anonymousreply 299May 12, 2024 5:07 PM

B&B was only good when that bull dyke Stephanie was menacing that whore Brooke.

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by Anonymousreply 300May 12, 2024 5:21 PM

r273 if I looked like Larry Bryggman, I might be a cunt, too.

by Anonymousreply 301May 12, 2024 5:32 PM

R300- Two of the BEST soap award show moments ever are these- These were DOOZIES----

I believe it was the SOD awards in 1989 or so? My cousin and I were watching and we were maybe 10 and 8 years old--

The chicks who played Robin and Anna on GH were the presenters. Robin was my age- Maybe younger- A little girl.

Anna hands Robin the envelope to announce the award- Which was "Best Storyline'--

With a big old smile on her face this little girl merrilly squeaks out:


"EDENS RAPE!!!!!!!!!"

My cousin and I looked at each other and died laughing

Next one- One of Susan Flannery's later emmy wins- when she was in full on- PROUD BULLDYKE mode--

The 2 nitwit presenters- both from B&B announce the Best Actress Category and go APESHIT when they realize its Susan Flannery-

They shriek out her name while jumping up and down to the point where Susan Lucci and others- (Susan L was hosting, and has the camera on her backstage) many thought they said Susan Lucci. Bulldyke Rosie is telling Susan Lucci that she won. Susan Lucci is saying "Me?? ME?? or is it Susan FLANNERY!!? Susan L proceeds to start walking onstage-- This is all LIVE and fucking hilarious as shit.

Anyway, someone clearly stopped Susan L barely in time- The camera cuts off Susan L just as the spotlight hits her face (the bitch was onstage and ready to get emmy #2)

THEN---- Susan Flannery BARRELS onto that stage like a teamster in a Men's Tux, LIFTS UP/PICKS UP THE ACTRESS presenting (Adrienne Frantz??) like a man would do to a woman-she was also making a very guttural deep throated laugh- I cannot even describe how fucking hilarious this was. I thought she was going to finger bang Adrienne...

Lastly- the Best part was seeing how Susan Lucci REALLY is in life. You could tell that she probably through a SHITFIT later on- There was something very driven/intense about her in that moment- Like if you fuckers are wrong- I will destroy you (She knew they said Flannery) They may have even played the AMC theme music- but that may be my faulty memory.

by Anonymousreply 302May 12, 2024 5:42 PM

And by the way-- The Susan Flannery moment above reminds me so much of that moment in Best In Show where manly Jane whatshername kisses Stifler's Mom in their "coming out" moment.. It gives me life it is so funny..

by Anonymousreply 303May 12, 2024 5:45 PM

R301- When I typed that last night I was actually thinking about how ugly that guy was. HA!

by Anonymousreply 304May 12, 2024 5:51 PM

I could watch that dyke backhand that slut from. The Valley all day

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by Anonymousreply 305May 12, 2024 6:00 PM

R300, I think that's one of the shows Flannery won of her 3 DT Emmys for playing Stephanie.

Bill Bell was a freaking genius. He knew his audience. How many mothers see their sons marry women they despise and know are 100% wrong for their boys.

Watching Stephanie abuse Brooke was mother-in-law porn.

Katherine Kelly Lang will never be a great actress. But she IS Brooke Logan Forrester. She read all caps big stage directions that tell her that Brooke is in love and she plays it. If she didn't, it wouldn't work.

Stephanie had a great line to Brooke once she delivered in front of the family before fessing up to lying about her heart attack: 'We know your story. Everything you say is exactly what you mean [at the time]. Well, I can't live in a world where love us served up like fast food; Hot one minute, cold and greasy the next.

by Anonymousreply 306May 12, 2024 6:03 PM

Ridge (Ron Moss): very wooden actor.

by Anonymousreply 307May 12, 2024 6:12 PM

There were other times when Flannery could sum up their relationship in a few little words, without raising her voice, like on hearing of Brooke's latest antics. She'd give that superior smirk and say, "Brooke is such a bitch," and shake her head and chuckle. I'd be laughing and have to rewind to catch the rest.

by Anonymousreply 308May 12, 2024 6:14 PM

R307 = Thorsten Kaye, constipated actor

by Anonymousreply 309May 12, 2024 6:17 PM

Susan Flannery was great in that role (mother of Ridge in B&B). You can see she was a beautiful woman, in her day. Still beautiful, actually. She did put on weight, which was actually OK and good for the role.

by Anonymousreply 310May 12, 2024 6:20 PM

R308- Susan F is one of he greats.. I really loved her in more 'calm" scenes for that very reason- She never hit a false note and came across as formidable.

by Anonymousreply 311May 12, 2024 6:21 PM

"Not Young, Still Restless": A good book by Jeanne Cooper (Mrs. Chancellor on Y&R). Get or borrow the audio book. Very entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 312May 12, 2024 6:21 PM

Great description, r311.

But I so loved her eruptions as well.

by Anonymousreply 313May 12, 2024 6:45 PM

Yup, the dynamic between Susan Flannery and the Brooke character was really good. (Mother-in-law / daughter-in-law.)

by Anonymousreply 314May 12, 2024 6:48 PM

R302- will you please be my best friend? You are fucking hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 315May 12, 2024 7:46 PM

R315- I want to have a youtube channel to share my fucked up observations but I am too offensive.

You can trolldar me.

My fear of Amy Roloff and midgets would cancel me immediately.

Just typing those 2 memories had me laughing my ass off-

Me and my cousin still scream "EDENS RAPE" at each other once a month..

by Anonymousreply 316May 12, 2024 7:50 PM

Wasn't the Lucci/Flannery mixup when Rosie O was presenting?

I remember there was widespread confusion about who won, but I think part of it was the presenter's fault.

by Anonymousreply 317May 12, 2024 8:08 PM

Rosie may actually have been hosting with Lucci and Braeden????

by Anonymousreply 318May 12, 2024 8:15 PM

But I can assure you Adrienne Frantz and one of the "ricks" was presenting.

I will never , ever forget it!!

by Anonymousreply 319May 12, 2024 8:16 PM

I switched to B&B for a while. More like I added it to what I was watching. I did it for the mom on Wonder Years. She was fucking funny as hell. When she tied that girl up and the cabin and let the bear in. Now that's some soap genius right there. I dropped it after a while because there was nothing else of interest for me in the show.

by Anonymousreply 320May 12, 2024 9:12 PM

R267, yes. Daytime had anti-heroes long before Tony Soprano and the like.

by Anonymousreply 321May 12, 2024 9:36 PM

2,000+ episodes of B&B have been uploaded on YouTube by the show itself (so they won't be deleted). You can watch from the very first episode.

Some say that Sheila saved the show which may be true but the introduction of that character also made the show much cheesier than it had been. (Bradley taking over around that time probably didn't help). In the beginning, the show was rather restrained. It was centered around the classic soap opera story of rich family coming into contact and conflict with a poorer family with lots of drama flowing based on the past histories of the families and the current relations between them.

The show's cast was extremely beautiful at this point although some of them were little more than glorified hair models. But it had a lot of recasts and the beauty factory took a nose dive. I hate the second Thorne.

by Anonymousreply 322May 12, 2024 9:36 PM

R271, I don’t think Larry B trashed the genre as much as he was honest about the fact that ATWT was a great paycheck that allowed him to continue to work in theater, his first love… a privilege he wouldn’t have had without the money from daytime.

I saw him in a Mamet play and he was mesmerizing.

Michael Park did tell a really funny story about a time when he (Michael Park) was having a bit of an argument with the brass. The fracas was apparently holding up production. Larry B. was off stage miming a movement. An angry Park asked him what he was doing. Larry B. dryly replied that he was a homemaker viewer vacuuming while Park’s scene was airing. Park said that exchange gave him perspective.

by Anonymousreply 323May 12, 2024 9:42 PM

I served Don Diamont a drink back in the '80s. He was very handsome, smaller than I expected. Very polite and wanted to make sure that I received a tip / gratuity.

by Anonymousreply 324May 12, 2024 9:51 PM

The early years of B&B were an almost beat for beat rehash of the early years of Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 325May 12, 2024 9:54 PM

I found Ron Moss hot in the early years of B&B but what a limited actor.

by Anonymousreply 326May 12, 2024 10:36 PM

Moss was frequently shown in Speedos or bikini underwear in the early years.

by Anonymousreply 327May 12, 2024 10:42 PM

r294 just in case you were not aware - The Bold and the Beautiful (B&B) has been ranked second in soap opera ratings since the early 1990s, except for one week when it broke Y&R's 27-year streak. In 2019, The Young and the Restless (Y&R) had a 3.1 rating, while B&B had a 2.5 rating. However, globally, B&B has the largest audience, with an estimated 27 million viewers

by Anonymousreply 328May 12, 2024 10:50 PM

I think that B&B was intended to eventually become a one-hour show (rather than a half-hour show). However, B&B was one of the relatively newer soaps. By the time it hit its stride, soaps in general were waning and it was probably a good idea to keep it a half-hour show.

And, yes, I agree that B&B's premise (rich family, poor family) was just like Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 329May 12, 2024 10:56 PM

The difference between B&B and Y&R was the tie between Eric, Beth and Stephanie. Just from the beginning, there was so much to use throughout the years. Ridge not being Eric's child and Eric picked Stephanie over Beth because he thought she was pregnant. Stephanie's family funding Forrester Creations. The horror of both Beth and Stephanie when it was revealed Brooke, her daughter was fucking Eric. That long history of Stephanie fucking with the Logan family and Brook replaying it in kind by fucking every many in Stephanie's life was just brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 330May 12, 2024 11:11 PM

BB was complete trash and hard to watch, so I didn’t. Y&R was overrated.

by Anonymousreply 331May 12, 2024 11:13 PM

R328, not entirely true.

B&B first hit No. 3 in the spring of 1990; then it hit No. 2 in the fall of 1992 with the Shela/Lauren dream showdown.

In the mid 1990s, AMC, GH, and DAYs all beat out B&B for the No. 2 or 3 slot.

DAYS came within 3/10ths of a ratings point of tying Y&R in 1997; Reilly's exit led to DAYS dropping in the ratings.

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by Anonymousreply 332May 12, 2024 11:18 PM

R330, you compare all that history now to the endless who cares boardroom stories on Y&R.


by Anonymousreply 333May 12, 2024 11:18 PM

I saw a little video with film clips of the early years of YR and how they really used lighting, or rather lack of it, to really create a mood. It looked gorgeous.

The ABC soaps like AMC, OLTL and GH all seemed to utilize a lot of bright lighting.

by Anonymousreply 334May 12, 2024 11:22 PM

Ridge not being Eric's son was a re-write, wasn't it? I don't think that was the idea from the beginning.

In the beginning, Ridge however was clearly Stephanie's favorite, while Eric preferred Kristen. Ridge and Eric frequently butted heads. I still don't understand why Bell wrote Kristen out of the show after 2 years - only to bring in the other daughter Felicia who was horrible was also really stupid.

by Anonymousreply 335May 12, 2024 11:26 PM

R324 Don used to tip all the handsome young men very generously.

by Anonymousreply 336May 12, 2024 11:31 PM

I wish the other soaps would follow B&B's lead and post all their older episodes. Otherwise, they're just sitting in a dark room somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 337May 12, 2024 11:33 PM

Yes r334, they did seem bleached. In the 70s AW seemed rich colored with more close ups. Days too. Edge too.

The first time I watched Days in the 70s I was blown away at how they vocalized the character thoughts on a regular basis. But it didn't take long for me to see this as a cheat. Other shows were letting us devine character motives in their actions.

Of course this was 70s when almost all soaps were character motivated. If anything, back then, ATWT was one of the worst for plot driven stories. Accidents out of nowhere, that laughable tornado music, immensely entertaining though.

by Anonymousreply 338May 12, 2024 11:51 PM

R328- suck it. 1990s Rankings: #1: The Young and the Restless; #2: All My Children; #3: General Hospital

by Anonymousreply 339May 12, 2024 11:53 PM

R332 Another World lost almost half its audience between 1977 and 1980 per that page. And it never recovered.

I read Harding LeMay's book some years ago. Very entertaining but he comes off as an ass. But he did know how to write a daytime serial and clearly AW never recovered after he left.

by Anonymousreply 340May 12, 2024 11:57 PM

I've read his book as well, r339, and he is a total diva writer. But brilliant.

I once saw an amazing interview of Bev MacKinsey with Canadian interviewer Brian Linehan after her departure from TEXAS. As I remember she was justifiably resentful of writers' salaries versus actors'.

by Anonymousreply 341May 13, 2024 12:06 AM

Didn’t LeMay have a hand in some of GL’s brilliant writing at one point?

by Anonymousreply 342May 13, 2024 12:15 AM

He was a staff writer at GL in 1980-1 under Marland - which was when GL was in one of its prime periods. Actually GL from c. 1975-1982 was when it peaked.

by Anonymousreply 343May 13, 2024 12:20 AM

OMG when you wrote "I hate Nina" I wanted to slap you. Then I realized you were talking about the little piglet on Y&R and not our Nina Cortlandt. Nobody hates our Nina.

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by Anonymousreply 344May 13, 2024 12:47 AM

I love Nina Webster.

by Anonymousreply 345May 13, 2024 12:53 AM

Me too-- How could anyone hate Nina W??

by Anonymousreply 346May 13, 2024 1:03 AM

Great story, r323.

If Kathleen Widdoes ends up outliving both Elizabeth Hubbard and Larry Bryggman, then Emma Snyder will get the last laugh.

by Anonymousreply 347May 13, 2024 1:04 AM

R339 I said the early 1990s, not 1990 and be sure you are looking at overall audience because most soap magazines reported the 18-25 and 25 to 34 female audience (which skewed heavily to DOOL) because that was who bought Soap Opera Digest. The Young and The Restless has been number one longer than most Gen Z ers have been alive. The only show to unseat it from #1 was B&B, and only briefly. At the time GH, Days and B&B jockied for #2 until the Sheila crossover put them in a deathlock hold on #2.

by Anonymousreply 348May 13, 2024 1:22 AM

Every soap opera thread that’s EVER been on DL, including this one, more than once, the same person brings up how they hated the “lighting” on AMC 🤣

It’s a personal preference, I guess. I hated the way the Bell soaps looked..the cheesy closeups and the dark backgrounds..

by Anonymousreply 349May 13, 2024 1:53 AM

In her book Jeanne Cooper said that Melody Thomas Scott's husband (Y&R bigwig) would take forever lighting MTS. Husband now works on B&B.

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by Anonymousreply 350May 13, 2024 1:56 AM

Even big Lucci fans, like myself, have never claimed she’s one of the best-ever soap actresses. However, no one can deny her charisma, her “It Factor,” or take away from her the fact that she’s the greatest soap star ever. “Star” not actress. And she DID deserve the Emmy the year she won. The episodes she submitted (Bianca’s eating disorder intervention)— I remember watching those with my friend and we just KNEW she’d won the Emmy. Her best performance—and those episodes were some of AMC best writing and directing. IIRC, the episodes were only Erica, Bianca, Jack, Barbara, and Travis at the intervention.

MARY! me as much as you want, but I did a Princess Diana scream when Lucci won.

by Anonymousreply 351May 13, 2024 2:02 AM

If '75-82 GL (Dobson's and Marland era, right?) are the glory days, this would lays at the the feet of Gail & Pam the shark that was jumped. I say this as someone who knew of it but didn't watch a lot of it GL at that point (was home sick from school with Roger/Holly hall of mirrors), but bought the GL Anniversary book in '97 (told you I was hardcore) and was able to fill in a lot of the blanks after it. Gail & Pam's show was a totally different show, i.e. the Lewises and declining Bauers. Might I say it leaned into it's cheesiness and that was a letdown? Or did the eventual poisoning of the town plotline by the Revasaurus (I love Kim but come on, she flosses with scenery in it all - Amish Reva, the Clone, san criscohell, travels through time by stepping through a painting - aside from giving her Pelphrey as a kid, she got nothing of quality from the many, many examples of death by a thousand cuts those last fifteen years. The number of times I felt as a viewer like I must have absolutely no bar for what one might call quality television was massive, and yet I stayed, because, well, history, and it connected me to my grandmother, a memory that stayed alive whenever I would watch.

by Anonymousreply 352May 13, 2024 2:06 AM

Completely understood, slack

by Anonymousreply 353May 13, 2024 2:22 AM

R335, Teri wasn't the best actress, and she may have given an interview poo-poohing her character; that's the kiss of death under Bill.

by Anonymousreply 354May 13, 2024 2:38 AM

R348 GL was #2, 3, 4 for many weeks in ‘92 before they lost 3 of their top actresses within 3 months of each other during the height of their storylines.

by Anonymousreply 355May 13, 2024 3:08 AM

R349 There was indeed a time where a few of the NYC soaps had harsh overhead lightings. Both AMC and OLTL, for sure, and GL had it in the 80s too.

I don't know if it was a particular studio, or some bad lighting designer that made his/her way to all the aforementioned shows.

As much as I loathe ubercunt Jill Farren Phelps, she did make all her shows look less like they were filmed in a fucking DMV.

by Anonymousreply 356May 13, 2024 3:17 AM

I'm very curious about this 1954 show "Woman With a Past". Starring the one and only Connie Ford as dressmaker Lynn Sherwood, who moves to a new town with her illegitimate daughter Diane. As the series develops Lynn holds fashion shows in her dress shop!

It also starred Jean Stapleton and ran for 6 months, with each episode 15 minutes in length.

According to IMDb, Victoria Wyndham also starred in Woman With a Past as a "temporary replacement for Felice Camargo as Diane".

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by Anonymousreply 357May 13, 2024 3:19 AM

R357 It may have been one of VW's first roles. And if she was a temp replacement for Felice Camargo....that was her sister.

by Anonymousreply 358May 13, 2024 3:21 AM

Felice and Victoria's dad

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by Anonymousreply 359May 13, 2024 3:22 AM

And VW's son

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by Anonymousreply 360May 13, 2024 3:23 AM

While there must be no copies of Woman with a Past still in existence, we can rest assured there would have been cunt bones aplenty kicked on that show.

by Anonymousreply 361May 13, 2024 3:30 AM

Taylor Miller was the prettiest soap actress of all time.

by Anonymousreply 362May 13, 2024 3:40 AM
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by Anonymousreply 363May 13, 2024 3:42 AM

R352, of course Kobe and Long (and Jeff Ryder) brought a very different flavor to GL.

I longed for the Dobson and especially Marland eras; Doug wrote towns that you wanted to live in; who wouldn't want to be befriended by Bert Bauer, have a legal issue taken care of by Ross Marler, had illnesses tended to by Dr. Ed Bauer, and make friends with Hillary and Kelly (swoon!)

I was prepared not to like Kobe and Long -- Hey! That actor is from TEXAS! I don't want them in Springfield!

But then something happened -- I fell in love with Kobe and Long's vision. Sure, they made big mistakes, getting rid of Hope, Amanda, and Hillary.

I think if they had longer to think about it they might have thought differently and kept them -- especially Amanda.

Rita, Holly, Carrie -- all gone. But we got Alexandera, India, and Reva Shayne. The Four Musketeers. Sonni/Solita. It was a different golden age.

by Anonymousreply 364May 13, 2024 3:43 AM

R362, she had that certain something. She was the best ingenue I've ever seen on daytime TV and why she never made the transition to mainstream star I'll never know. She was on Merv Griffin to accept a soap award and Merv exclaimed "you're like a young Elizabeth Taylor" to which Miller quipped "I don't have a 19 inch waist".

by Anonymousreply 365May 13, 2024 3:44 AM

R297 Jeff and Bobbie as a singing duo were insanely popular across Europe. Here they sing a version of Kylie Minogue and Jason Donovan's duet "Especially for You" before tens of thousands of fans.

Footage from this concert also features in a Bold and Beautiful episode just before Macy undergoes vocal cord surgery.

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by Anonymousreply 366May 13, 2024 3:56 AM

It's a pity Jeff Trachta didn't get all his facial work done while he was still on Bold. He was a lot more classically handsome after, and would have been a better match with Ridge.

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by Anonymousreply 367May 13, 2024 4:01 AM

I saw an interview with Taylor Miller where she stated that she basically played Nina as herself. Except for a few exaggerations she was Nina.

by Anonymousreply 368May 13, 2024 4:08 AM

R367, you've got to be kidding. Those cheek implants ...

by Anonymousreply 369May 13, 2024 4:17 AM

R294 Kimberlin Brown was an example of hiring a fashion model to act on a soap which paid off. Kimberlin was discovered by Nina Blanchard who also discovered Linda Dano 15 years earlier. She allowed her girls to be a half inch shorter than they would need to be in NY so they could work double duty as extras and under-fives in LA.

by Anonymousreply 370May 13, 2024 4:28 AM

I truly think Kimberlin Brown has been in more soaps than anyone. Nine of them.

by Anonymousreply 371May 13, 2024 4:41 AM

Does anyone have a link to the latest Days thread?

by Anonymousreply 372May 13, 2024 5:18 AM

Eakes told a story about how Trachta walked into the main makeup room when he came to screentest for the role of Jack Abbott when they were looking to replace Lester.

Eakes turned to TV mom Darlene Conley and said: "I'm going to marry that man."

What a cut instinct thing to say and to have occur.

by Anonymousreply 373May 13, 2024 5:27 AM

This is the interview r341 mentioned-it is long but interesting. Beverlee’s story about Ruth Warrick’s obnoxious behavior is anusing.

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by Anonymousreply 374May 13, 2024 5:45 AM

[quote][Taylor Miller] had that certain something.

Well, she didn't bring it with her to Another World.

by Anonymousreply 375May 13, 2024 11:11 AM

I remember Taylor Miller came back for a short stint and she had a scene with David Canary. They both played it as if there was a little spark between them, and they did indeed have huge chemistry in just that one scene. That would’ve been a fantastic storyline- Palmer’s most beloved daughter falling in love with his archenemy. He would’ve lost his mind. Adam and Nina would’ve been incredible.

by Anonymousreply 376May 13, 2024 11:30 AM

[quote] Beverlee’s story about Ruth Warrick’s obnoxious behavior is anusing.

Ruthie's behavior does make one's anus clench, for sure.

by Anonymousreply 377May 13, 2024 12:57 PM


I can only speak for OLTL because I would read any article I could as a kid- I thought the technical side was cool on these shows because each show really had its own look and feel back then, production wise-

Overall the executive producer is responsible for establishing the show's look/aesthetic that they want-

The guy who lit OLTL from the late 70's to nearly the end of the show was Michael Thorburgh (Thornborough?)

When Linda Gottlieb brought OLTL the cinematic lighting she said that she hired the best Lighting Designer at ABC in to redo the lighting. (It was then the 2 Lighting Designers job to carry that out day to day) The show was as dark as Y&R if not darker.. Some of the episodes on Youtube you can barely see , it was that dark. OLTL kept that darker/cinematic look pretty much until the end. Gary Tomlin made the show a little brighter- it almost looked pink. I did not like his aesthetic.

Michael also lit the show under Paul Rauch. After watching Paul Rauch's AW- which looked REALLY good, I have no idea why he wanted OLTL to have the look it did, but based on the interview I read with OLTL Lighting Designers (Michael was interviewed above) He said that Paul wanted OLTL to look and feel upbeat and contemporary- and for the actresses eyes to shine. If you watch that era, the actresses eyes almost glisten and you see the light in their eyes at all times. I believe this lighting also prevented shadows which can age someone, but it also required that heavy makeup the actors had. By 1989 one of he magazines said the actors all looked orange on OLTL..

Joe Stuart had an interview where he seemed interested in the technical side and making OLTL look better with the sets/lighting- This episode from 1980 has the show looking pretty good if you ask me. Its bright, but not washed out and the actors all look good.

And I have to say GL (for a short period?) was probably the worst looking show that I have ever seen- I think it was the 79-81 era or so, this is from Youtube? I don't know why they made such a great show look so cheap. I will say under JFP, the show (GL) looked stellar- and it really matched the quality at that time (I have mainly just rediscovered GL through YT- I only watched the summer of 88 as a young kid)

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by Anonymousreply 378May 13, 2024 2:13 PM

While AMC and ATWT were my favorites in the mid/late 80s, I also got hooked on AW for a few years during that era. I liked Cass and Kathleen, and loved when Cecile would turn up to fuck with them. Loved Anna Stuart as Donna, and the whole Marley/Vicki thing when played by Ellen Wheeler. Jane Cameron (WHET?) was a fun ingenue as Ada’s troublesome daughter Nancy (although at first I thought they were grandmother/granddaughter). Felicia and Wallingford..fun.

And then there was twink Matthew Crane in a speedo all summer..

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by Anonymousreply 379May 13, 2024 3:06 PM

r373 that's odd. Y&R and B&B don't share a make-up room. They are shot on different sound stages (across from each other) and the Y&R make-up room is upstairs. Not that I am doubting Bobbie's retelling of it, I guess they could have test shot on stage 33 if Y&R was still shooting. It was very fast with Jeff replacing Clayton Norcross, He showed up to test for Jack and was cast as Thorne within a week. Clayton was so god damn handsome it was odd that they chose Jeff, who is handsome but not like Ronn Moss steel cut cheekbones. The story goes Brad and Bill wanted to capitalize on Bobbie's singing and Jeff hammed up his audition and the fact he could sing. It game them the singing duo, Thorne and Macy and a Romeo and Juliett storyline for the two. I remember that concert you posted. It was in Italy or Greece (where B&B is insanely popular). they taped the whole episodes around that with Macy constantly worrying she could not sing then come out and belts out all these tunes. I think even John McCook sang a song "Nothing's going to change my love for you" and the whole crowd sang along.

by Anonymousreply 380May 13, 2024 3:53 PM

Someone needs to update The Soap Opera Encyclopedia. I have a copy I bought circa 1997 and it's chock full of interesting stuff about even short lived soaps that were off the air ages ago. Great resource, but it needs to be updated to reflect the last three decades.

by Anonymousreply 381May 13, 2024 6:16 PM

Sounds like a project for one of our retired DLers.

by Anonymousreply 382May 13, 2024 10:21 PM

Guiding Light hands down. Sadly, many never saw its excellence during the 50s &60s, nor the mid 70s to mid 80s due to it being opposite GH at its peak, though GL’s ratings were still huge. I think it gets overlooked due to this.

by Anonymousreply 383May 13, 2024 10:45 PM

r381 thanks for the recommendation!

by Anonymousreply 384May 14, 2024 12:23 AM

Nina Arvesen, Jensen Bunchanan, young Melissa Reeves, Rena Sofer, Yasmine Bleeth, Vanessa Marcil, and of course Robin Wright should be considered as some of daytimes most beautiful actresses….

by Anonymousreply 385May 14, 2024 4:19 AM

R385 Melina Kanakaredes? Tammy Blanchard? Beth Chamberlin? Brittany Snow?

by Anonymousreply 386May 14, 2024 11:01 AM

Talk about fraus all you want but there's a host of hot, handsome men too.

Many of whom probably had to offer up their sizemeat on a casting couch to get their roles.......

by Anonymousreply 387May 14, 2024 2:13 PM

R386 All very beautiful.

Grant Alexander would have Mr. Hands'd any casting director who tried to take his huge dong.

by Anonymousreply 388May 14, 2024 7:04 PM

I really can't imagine Grant doing that.

As much as John Conboy and Chris Bernau probably lived for the very possibility of it.....

by Anonymousreply 389May 14, 2024 8:05 PM

Nina Arvesen was absolutely earth shatteringly beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 390May 14, 2024 9:38 PM

And then, of course, there's moi.

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by Anonymousreply 391May 14, 2024 9:42 PM

I happened to watch the 1990 Daytime Emmys today. Those damn algorithms.

Obviously, it was a huge GL year previous. It won writing, lots of noms, Zimmer win, Michelle Forbes should have won over Barr. She should have. If any AMC watcher saw the end of the Sonni/Solita story, which it didnt seem was MF’s reel judging by the clip, Forbes was hands down the best actress that year. Bar none.

But Zimmer’s reel was intense. I guess she was molested at 12, and was confronting her molester. Dayum. It was expertly, beautifully written. Aching. Zimmer was pitch perfect. One of her best, and daytime’s best, leading lady performances. Very understated. So much pain buried underneath while confronting him. It was uncomfortable which how she described her little 12 year old self with this big guy “picking her up off the ground to dance so her feet didn’t touch the floor.” Very uncomfortable.

by Anonymousreply 392May 14, 2024 9:46 PM

[bold]Secret Storm[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 393May 14, 2024 9:47 PM

[quote] "Search for Tomorrow" LOL. What MARY! came up with that title?

THIS Mary, of course!

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by Anonymousreply 394May 14, 2024 9:48 PM

WHAT A DOG!!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^

by Anonymousreply 395May 14, 2024 10:06 PM

R392- Only a GL watcher briefly but love it on YT now-

I remember Emmy Clips vividly-- Its fucking weird as fuck-

This was the B-12--- B-12 on the JUKEBOX SPEECH!!!!

And you held me UP, so my feet didn't even touch the flo-ah!

by Anonymousreply 396May 14, 2024 10:08 PM

Some GL doesn’t hold up on YT because so many stories were interwoven and your emotions depended on that so what you watch on screen had to have that context. GL was great at building up great emotion in storylines.

R396 That’s it. Her whole 25 minutes reel is a masterclass.

by Anonymousreply 397May 14, 2024 10:27 PM

Zimmer gets a lot of flack but she's had a few very good stories and speeches in her day.

The fountain speech.

The B-12 speech.

The one where Alan paid her a big sum to tell him about how she ate garbage when she was poor and hungry,

All written by Pam Long.

by Anonymousreply 398May 14, 2024 10:42 PM

A snippet of the B-12 scene can be seen at about 1 hour 40 minutes in

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by Anonymousreply 399May 14, 2024 10:45 PM

R399 Thanks, but folks it doesn’t do it justice. And Michelle Forbes was sitting two ppl from her. I heard they hated each other.

by Anonymousreply 400May 14, 2024 10:48 PM

Watching the last 20 or so minutes at R399 reminded me of why I loved soaps so much growing up. Talented, beautiful performers, telling outrageous and moving stories. That audience was awash in the faces of so many of my favorites.

by Anonymousreply 401May 14, 2024 11:07 PM

Remember Zimmer’s hair at the 1985 Daytime Emmys? She did that just to be noticed as she didn’t tho no she’d win.

Diva VonDish in Soap Opera Digest called Zimmer’s fashion out all the time and Zimmer even name checked her at the ‘89 Emmys.

Who was VonDish? Was it Michael Logan? I always felt like it was a man writing that stuff.

by Anonymousreply 402May 15, 2024 12:57 AM

R402 I think it was a collaborative thing.

by Anonymousreply 403May 15, 2024 1:30 AM

Jeanne Cooper should've won in 1989, sorry but the Marge kidnapping plot was La Cooper's best story outside the Jill-Kay feud.

And the clip of La Hubbard is amazing, especially when probably only about 10% of what she says and does was on the actual page.

by Anonymousreply 404May 15, 2024 2:07 AM

Much as Hubbard knew her character it couldn't have been easy for her screen partners when she ad-libbed. I suppose those who were accustomed to working with her had some idea of what to expect, or perhaps she warned them.

There is no doubt she improved upon what was written for her but I wonder how newcomers handled it.

by Anonymousreply 405May 15, 2024 2:37 AM

R405- I think it was probably a blast and a rush to work with her.

by Anonymousreply 406May 15, 2024 3:06 AM

I remember some magazine (maybe Weekly) doing an interview with judges after the Emmys one year, an anonymous interview.

It was mostly forgettable but I remember the person interviewed saying - I know Liz Hubbard does great work, I've seen it, but the reel we saw seemed very disjointed, maybe not the best choices for a reel.

So apparently Liz either didn't pick the best ones or just had her own mind about what her best was.

by Anonymousreply 407May 15, 2024 3:14 AM

I rarely watched it but I loved the pipe organ theme to Search For Tomorrow. Must have been late 70s.

Not the traditional soap organ theme. It sounded like Bach.

by Anonymousreply 408May 15, 2024 4:40 AM

At their very best Guiding Light, As The World Turns, One Life To Live and Santa Barbara. GH had 3 good years in the 90's. I found it laughable the years I saw before. Espionage, Aliens many times away from the hospital in the title. They replaced spies with mobsters in the later years.

by Anonymousreply 409May 15, 2024 4:55 AM

R380, Y&R has the big makeup room up the stairs over Stage 43 and yes, B&B has a small makeup room right inside Stage 31.

But there's a big main makeup room underneath the multipurpose rooms and near a wing of other dressing rooms down the hall on the same side as 43 and 41.

I'm assuming that's where Bobbie and Darlene were. On a given day, the Y&R makeup room was probably filled with people working that day and Jeff and other Jack contenders were getting their makeup room done in the other makeup room. It's quite possible, Jeff was sent over to B&B to get his makeup done but I am not sure how that would have worked as he was there for Y&R.

I've been to CBS Television City now known as just "TV City" many times -- years ago.

For some reason, Clayton had to go as Thorne. I've heard rumors but I think there was just too much chemistry between him and Ronn. "Oh, no little brother...Caroline is in love with me." "Oh, no, big brother...just you watch."

Honestly, I was just like KISS already.

by Anonymousreply 410May 15, 2024 5:38 AM

R402. No, it wasn't Logan. Steph Sloane 'outed him' in her editor's note. It was a brilliant man named Robert Rorke who passed away.

He wrote about Felicia Gallant -- you wear hats 3x too big for your head, dresses that look like living room drapes, and furs that appear to be the death of entire species.


by Anonymousreply 411May 15, 2024 5:41 AM

The Quebecois loved Felicia but called her arbre de noel.

by Anonymousreply 412May 15, 2024 5:47 AM

I think the majority of the Marge story played out IN 1989 so Cooper was up for the Emmy in 1990 for that but Zimmer was unbeatable.

The clip of Reva confronting her abuser/feel-er upper trounced Marge walking around Kay on a green screen with Esther in the background fretting.

I agree Forbes should have won for her work in 1988. Poor Sonni was about to snap in half, it seemed.

McKinsey and Zimmer banter so well with each other in this exchange.

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by Anonymousreply 413May 15, 2024 5:48 AM

R411 Aw, I didn't realize Robert Rorke had died.

by Anonymousreply 414May 15, 2024 3:29 PM

Van Hansis should have won the Emmy for playing Luke Snyder on ATWT. He was nominated but lost to some guy from Y&R.

by Anonymousreply 415May 15, 2024 4:55 PM

I think I'm going to watch B&B from the beginning this summer.

by Anonymousreply 416May 16, 2024 12:36 AM

La Hubbard on hearing Caleb Snyder -- "yet another Snyder brother" -- is at the farm: "That woman just dropped them like puppies."

by Anonymousreply 417May 16, 2024 1:08 AM

Where can you get the B&B archive videos?

by Anonymousreply 418May 16, 2024 4:35 AM

R418 Most of the series has been officially uploaded to YouTube.

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by Anonymousreply 419May 16, 2024 5:47 AM

R415, I called him Ham Hansis.

He was over the top on everything.

by Anonymousreply 420May 16, 2024 3:46 PM

Somebody help me here as I swear I saw this scene once on a soap. It was definitely in early September of 1981. I was in the hospital after an appendectomy.

A woman is having a nightmare? Flashback? And she sees a man and a woman but the woman has no face -it’s all black.

Next were two nurses talking and I swore one of them said the word “zombieism” which isn’t even a word. It creeped me out (I was 9) so I took a nap instead. This would have been around noon or 1 pm.

I have done Google searches for years with this scant information and nothing turns up. No idea what show this was, if maybe it was a syndicated soap like “Young Lives.”

Any ideas?

by Anonymousreply 421May 16, 2024 3:48 PM

Anybody ever catch Doug Marland’s kinky cable soap “A New Day in Eden”? Shower rape. Barn deflowerings. Lotsa side boob apparently.

Seems to have been wiped from the record book.

by Anonymousreply 422May 16, 2024 3:52 PM

A New Day in Eden aired on Showtime, so best to check Showtime's archives.

Show aired from November1982 to August 1983. Total of about 65 episodes produced. Because it was on cable, they could be more risque, so it was more graphic. Would definitely have been considered soft porn at the time that it aired -- that was the whole point of a pay cable station airing a soap.

by Anonymousreply 423May 16, 2024 5:31 PM

Anyone remember Spyder Games, the soap that aired on MTV in 2001?

by Anonymousreply 424May 16, 2024 8:16 PM

With Jane Wiedlin!

by Anonymousreply 425May 16, 2024 8:25 PM

Anyone remember the syndicated Young Lives?

by Anonymousreply 426May 16, 2024 8:38 PM

r410 I am guessing we know each other. I used to go to Television City on the daily.

by Anonymousreply 427May 16, 2024 9:25 PM

Why would anyone want to watch BB especially from the beginning? I lost faith with soap viewers when that show rose so fast in the ratings. It was terrible. The acting was atrocious. The characters so unlikeable.

by Anonymousreply 428May 16, 2024 10:01 PM

Remember that guy Rocco from the first year? The guy who befriended Katie? He had quite the hair.

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by Anonymousreply 429May 16, 2024 10:08 PM

He was a hustler at the Pine Valley bus station.

by Anonymousreply 430May 16, 2024 10:11 PM

r429 Rocco seems to be wearing one of Cher's wigs in that photo.

by Anonymousreply 431May 16, 2024 10:16 PM

He was a kung fu master who saved Ridge and Caroline from thugs in a flashback.

by Anonymousreply 432May 16, 2024 10:18 PM

Early on, Caroline had that "politician's daughter" look.

But the opening theme sounds like a sick donkey having a seizure.

by Anonymousreply 433May 17, 2024 2:43 AM

Someone with a deeper knowledge of soaps than me should start a "Best soap actress of all time" thread.

by Anonymousreply 434May 17, 2024 3:05 AM

R427, we probably do.

I've never run into anyone I know on the DL before. (Datalounge, that is; not the down low)

A friend SWORE up and down he thought I'd posted a rave about Judith Champman once; I hadn't but I do love her.

TV City is a GHOST town now; just the two soaps, mostly. the execs all moved to Studio City; Price is Right is gone. There's not even enough employees to justify a commissary.

But did you not know about the big main makeup room down the hall near the multi purpose dressing rooms?

by Anonymousreply 435May 17, 2024 3:24 AM

R434 Isn't it widely believed to be Sleezestack?

by Anonymousreply 436May 17, 2024 3:42 AM

I don't think it Shaquilstack at all. She ate more ham than anyone.

by Anonymousreply 437May 17, 2024 3:44 AM

I just watched the Alan Locher Michael Fairman Daytime Stand up To Cancer.

Kim Zimmer revealed she has breast cancer and had a mastectomy. (She appears to be doing okay).

Slezak shared memories of her daughter.

Kassie talked about her blood cancer.

Sharon Case and Eileen Davidson talked about their storylines.

They could splice the best moments together and give an award for the best segment.

My money's on Zimmer as always (no pun intended)

by Anonymousreply 438May 17, 2024 3:50 AM

Dipshit R438- Erika did NOT "share memories" of her daughter- Jesus Christ.

What she did say was incredibly moving- she could barely speak-

Her thoughts on Andrea. Evans were heartfelt--

Kim floored me.

I even liked the dude I always hated on OLTL-John McBain- He had wonderful things to say about Kamar- and this guy has barely aged-

also loved Colleen Zenk- I do not know how she did it- and is thriving 15 years later

by Anonymousreply 439May 17, 2024 4:04 AM

According to the list from We Love Soaps, Flannery was widely considered the best actress, followed by Zimmer, Slee, and then McKinsey.

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by Anonymousreply 440May 17, 2024 4:04 AM

I did not know Kim had cancer. Wow.

Maeve Kinkead did some years back, as well.

by Anonymousreply 441May 17, 2024 4:05 AM

Julia Barr and Robin Mattson

by Anonymousreply 442May 17, 2024 4:07 AM

Nancy Pinkerton, though her tenure was brief, on OLTL

by Anonymousreply 443May 17, 2024 4:08 AM

R440- I love all of those bitches-

I like some random ones too-

Fiona Hutchison

Maureen Garrett

Susan Haskell

Julia Barr

Finola Hughes

Liz Hubbard

by Anonymousreply 444May 17, 2024 4:12 AM

There's not a lot of actresses who could have maintained Heather's 2 year story leading up to Diana Taylor's murder and the aftermath. The rest of her work was solid but it's hard to find anything else in soap land that equals her and that story arc. Just the fact that they would have a hugely popular character like Diana murdered was enough in itself.

by Anonymousreply 445May 17, 2024 4:18 AM

Maureen, Liz, and Julia were all on that top 50 list, and apparently Finola just missed it.

by Anonymousreply 446May 17, 2024 4:18 AM

Judith Light and Susan Haskell should be in the conversation.

by Anonymousreply 447May 17, 2024 4:46 AM

story on Zimmer. I hope she'll be okay.

She's No. 1 in my opinion

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by Anonymousreply 448May 17, 2024 5:10 AM

I sound like Addison DeWitt here but:

Hughes, Hayes, Hubbard, McKinsey, Zimmer, Slezak, Strasser....

Kelly Thiebaud will be among them!

by Anonymousreply 449May 17, 2024 5:12 AM

I thought Mary O'Brien was infinitely better than Mattson; Mattson always comes off like she's going to vomit her next line...

"TREVVORR!! Belch!"

by Anonymousreply 450May 17, 2024 5:14 AM

Mary Kay Adams.

Denise Alexander

Judith Chapman

Hillary B. Smith.


Jane Elliot.

by Anonymousreply 451May 17, 2024 5:15 AM

r435 I did just was never in it. I barely went into Y&R's make-up room. I was much more familiar with the studio on the other side, Started as a page at CBS.

by Anonymousreply 452May 17, 2024 12:22 PM

The true star of All My Children...

Miss Kate Collins

by Anonymousreply 453May 17, 2024 1:21 PM

Susan Flannery is the only actress who could elevate this crap and make it fun.

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by Anonymousreply 454May 17, 2024 3:04 PM

r454 Darlene Conely could do it too Her early scenes disguising herself as a male german buyer to sneak into forester were hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 455May 17, 2024 3:09 PM

R374, thanks so much for posting that clip, what a gem!

by Anonymousreply 456May 18, 2024 3:12 AM

That McKinsey interview is indeed a gem. She was really chatty with the Canadian guy and she was almost NEVER that chatty with anyone. I think she assumed no one from the States would ever see it.

by Anonymousreply 457May 18, 2024 3:31 AM

Slezak was maybe not even the best on her show. There really is a case to be made for Light and Haskell. Even Strasser.

by Anonymousreply 458May 18, 2024 6:02 AM

I would have loved to see Victoria played entirely by Gillian Spencer. She would have given subtlety and nuance that Slapjackstaystacks wasn't capable of.

by Anonymousreply 459May 18, 2024 6:46 AM

I am a Haskell stan for life and would give her #1--

(I knew when her 2009 shows were airing that she would win her 2nd emmy ++If++ she got nominated (OLTL was generally fucked over)

And she did. This was the year that Debbie Morgan was phenomenal and expected to win-

Her episodes were spellbinding (and also part of a very farfetched storyline) It did not matter- she was that good.

by Anonymousreply 460May 18, 2024 12:48 PM

I am going to post something here that may not be interesting to many here (as this thread seems to skew to P&G shows)- That's clue 1.

However, for some this may be cool--

Check out this link and really look at the photos..

A certain key part of an infamous storyline was inspired by this-- Clue 2.

(And its a great building!!!)

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by Anonymousreply 461May 18, 2024 4:29 PM

I think Strasser and Slezak could get hammy. It’s a soap so I never held it against them. For the most part when reigned in they were great. Haskell was a find but she too could go a little dramatic. HBS has always been solid with both drama and comedy. Andrea Evan’s had the charisma and star quality same for Jessica Tuck. I think one of the best and most underrated was Finola Hutchinson. I loved her! She could be so evil and yet you felt and rooted for her. Same for Catherine Hickland in the Lindsey hey day.

by Anonymousreply 462May 18, 2024 8:32 PM

R462 is MY bitch.

Fiona is in my Top 3 of all time-- and an absolutely lovely human being in real life. Like a cat lady /arts/crafts farm lady.

by Anonymousreply 463May 18, 2024 8:43 PM

I know I'm going to be in the minority here. One of my favorites was Karen Morris-Gowdy as Faith on Ryan's Hope. Not that she was so talented as an actress but she had charisma and was really likeable. They just always kept her as a back burner character sometimes thrust to front. She was the female equivalent of Larry Wolek.

by Anonymousreply 464May 18, 2024 8:43 PM

R464, you might want to check out Tom Lisanti's Ryan's Hope book; KMG was a late interview and was happy to share her experiences with the author.

by Anonymousreply 465May 18, 2024 8:52 PM

Plus KMG added some stability to the show. She stayed.

by Anonymousreply 466May 18, 2024 8:54 PM

All- I had watched 1/4 of the Locher Room/Micheal Fairman Benefit on YT--

I just revisited it to watch the remainder-

Colleen Zenk went through HELL

Jaclyn Zeman's daughters were lovely, Kin Shriner is so perfectly Kin-

But you must see the interview with Andrea Evans husband and daughter- It was incredibly moving-

I had no idea that they would be on this--- Andrea's daughter is only 19 and she sounds like a mature 40 year old- absolutely lovely young lady and mature beyond her years. And Andrea was clearly the opposite of Tina once she became a mom! And the interview is in Andrea's home-

by Anonymousreply 467May 18, 2024 10:27 PM

Colleen really did go through hell.

She went through hell with her illness, had her sister die and her husband abandon her all within a few years - then cared for her mom for a few years until HER death....and then lost her son to suicide.

I don't really keep a tab on the personal lives of actors or really get into their personal business, but she is a person I genuinely wish good things for and am rooting for good things to happen to her.

by Anonymousreply 468May 19, 2024 2:31 AM

I am not a big Cam Mathison fan but he seems to be a nice person and I was sorry to hear that he had cancer.

by Anonymousreply 469May 19, 2024 2:32 AM

468- You gave me tears in my eyes. HOLY FUCK---

I was not an ATWT fan, I was a diehard OLTL fan. Jesus Christ.

I know that Colleen also had 2 DUI's- now I fucking get it.

And in her interview there is NO self pity. That bitch is a warrior beast.

I was a Hubbard fan from afar, and i will now check out Coleen on YT.

I am SO happy for his Y&R shit. (OLTL and Y&R were my shows but I have not watched aa soap in 12 years)

I follow Howie Zeidman on FB who was a OLTL cameraman since 1979- he is the OLTL rainbow bridge. This guy is AMAZING- and he actors loved him. so much great OLTL stuff-

by Anonymousreply 470May 19, 2024 3:09 AM

R470 exactly. Gurl, I would have guzzled gallons every day if that was the shit sandwich life was handing me.

by Anonymousreply 471May 19, 2024 4:11 AM

R469, yes, Cameron is nice -- a lot of people in the soap world are nice. Cameron is actually also KIND. He's a kind man, sensitive to the people around him.

I think he's a huge miscast as Drew; he should have come to PC as Ryan Lavery.

by Anonymousreply 472May 19, 2024 4:13 AM

Colleen in an interview some years ago

[quote] So much of what I’ve been going through doesn’t make sense to me. All you can do is accept it and find a way to get through it and find a way to learn from it and make your life better and your children’s lives better. A lot of what’s happened to me the last few years doesn’t make sense. And I don’t understand why I have been on the receiving end of a lot of great difficulty. I have always thought of myself as a good person. I have always thought of myself as a person who gives, and is not a taker. I have been given my share to deal with. They always say that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Well when I finally come out on the other side of this I’m going to be the strongest fucking woman you’ve ever known. I’m not on the other side yet. I’m still deeply wounded....deeply wounded.

*clutches pearls* GURL!

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by Anonymousreply 473May 19, 2024 4:13 AM

Holy shit R473. Holy shit. I really respect this lady.

Between Erika tearing up about her late daughter, Colleen, Kim, and then Andrea Evans husband (who broke down) and her daughter-

I am absolutely horrified by the human condition, but reminded of people's strength.

We are all living lives of quiet desperation.

by Anonymousreply 474May 19, 2024 5:18 AM

And i meant above, that i am so happy. for Colleen landing Y&R-

by Anonymousreply 475May 19, 2024 5:20 AM

Haskell was a marvelous soap opera actress. The perfect mix of truth and high drama. She also had the perfect story to explore it.

by Anonymousreply 476May 19, 2024 5:24 AM

I couldn't stand her. She muttered and stumbled and murmured her lines.

To each their own. I thought Sharon Wyatt deserved the Daytime Emmy in 1994 and Debbi Morgan in 2009.

by Anonymousreply 477May 19, 2024 5:28 AM

Susan Haskell wasn't going to lose any category in 1994. I think across the daytime community everyone knew no one had worked harder.

by Anonymousreply 478May 19, 2024 5:34 AM

No one will top Zimmer. At her best, she had it all- looks, star quality, acting chops. Her fountain scene is Oscar worthy. You felt every bit of her pain, anger, humiliation. Give her anything and she could do it. She never faltered.

by Anonymousreply 479May 19, 2024 5:35 AM

Never a a Zimmer fan but loved Michelle Forbes and Cynthia Watros instantly. But admit never expected Watros was such a force.

by Anonymousreply 480May 19, 2024 5:42 AM

Michelle and Kim going head to head for years was phenomenal. Watching Watros grow to be able to go toe to toe with Zimmer was fascinating. Michelle’s characters on GL were in one of daytime’s best storylines ever and the acting from Michelle elevated already great material.

by Anonymousreply 481May 19, 2024 5:45 AM

here's the 1994 DT Emmys; Newman and Marcy Walker gave out the statuette; funny bit where Robert asks Marcy, what's it like when you're sitting out there and you hear the Emmy goes to....?

and Marcy says, "Kim Zimmer?"

Other noms with Haskell and Wyatt were Signe Coleman, Hope, Y&R; Maureen Garrett, Holly, GL, and, Jill PHelps working her Emmy magic, Hilary Edson, Eve, GL;

Great acting is an opinion, Malone wrote a great story. But I can 'see' the acting in every moment Haskell's on screen. I concede that others think she's amazing.

I would have gone with Wyatt or Garrett that year, tho.

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by Anonymousreply 482May 19, 2024 5:46 AM

Garrett had something special.

by Anonymousreply 483May 19, 2024 5:48 AM

Wow R477- I found her to be the most natural actress OLTL ever had... Cinema worthy-

Even better in 2008-2009.

I knew she had the emmy if she got the nomination- which I never thought that she would.

by Anonymousreply 484May 19, 2024 5:49 AM

I agree. Haskell was good, but you could see her acting.

by Anonymousreply 485May 19, 2024 5:51 AM

R485 that's soap opera. But she always had just enough real moments which is why she was always effective.

by Anonymousreply 486May 19, 2024 5:53 AM

I don't think it's soap opera; I never "saw" the acting with McKinsey, Zimmer, HB Smith, Heather Tom, Flannery, Eileen Davidson, Mary Kay Adams et. al

I just saw the characters. I saw Haskell acting in a well written rape storyline.

Howarth, before he got all predictable and yelling at everything ALL THE TIME, was good; Smith, brilliant. But I would have been fine if Haskell had not won.

I predict a similar sweep this year for Y&R; someone at CBS got tired of going to the GH awards on CBS prime time.

by Anonymousreply 487May 19, 2024 5:57 AM

There was no way Haskell was going to lose. Zimmer, Flannery and Tom are in no way subtle or non soap. That's a ridiculous claim. Davidson is barely a passable actress. I don't think you are understanding when someone can be good AND soap.

by Anonymousreply 488May 19, 2024 6:04 AM

R488 Zimmer smokes Haskell any day. Don’t even.

by Anonymousreply 489May 19, 2024 6:07 AM

There was a way she was going to lose. She could have lost to the other four nominees who were on the ballot.

Shemar Moore beat out Kristoff and LeBlanc when he won. Heinle was up against some solid actresses.

Chad Duell beat Kristoff.

Sometimes the "right" person doesn't win. It's subjective. Yay. Haskell won. Yippee. But she's no Anne Heche.

I think a good example of a non-soap great actress on daytime was Nancy Snyder who played Katrina Karr on OLTL.

by Anonymousreply 490May 19, 2024 6:09 AM

Haha. You are being purposely obtuse but yes you are right. But you know as I do everyone wanted to reward Haskell that year because the story caught the social zeitgeist and spilled into the mainstream and she had to probably work more than anyone on her show that year. Communities reward that too.

by Anonymousreply 491May 19, 2024 6:17 AM

It wasn’t as compelling as Laura’s, Beth’s,or Margo’s rapes.

by Anonymousreply 492May 19, 2024 6:23 AM

I think for daytime the "gang" part of the rape put it into a different place. Especially because they went in and explored it. Among young people which is relevant even now.

by Anonymousreply 493May 19, 2024 6:34 AM

Marty's story had an ideal character arc. Spoiled, orphaned troublemaking heiress bad girl is gang raped at a fraternity party and nobody believes her.

by Anonymousreply 494May 19, 2024 6:41 AM

Garrett was so good because she mostly underplayed scenes. So many ham it up but Garrett rarely raised her voice. Her work during the Curlee/Demorest years of GL should have earned her an Emmy, for sure.

by Anonymousreply 495May 19, 2024 2:56 PM

r490--I really like Nancy Snyder from the limited OLTL episodes out there-- Both she and Margaret Klenck (sp) seemed awesome and way natural- and more film worthy type actresses...

HBS??? Loved Nora- but that was a woman I always saw acting-- she also could not cry on cue-- Even in those emmy scenes- There are no tears. (Was so glad she won though- she really made me love Nora)

by Anonymousreply 496May 19, 2024 3:53 PM

The date rape story was the story of the year on Daytime that year - so it was no shock Haskell won. But it makes me sad too that this was Maureen Garrett's last real chance to win one and she deserved it deeply.

by Anonymousreply 497May 19, 2024 3:59 PM

I was reading the favorite actresses of posters. I forgot about Judith Chapman. My god she was great.

by Anonymousreply 498May 19, 2024 3:59 PM

The 1992 Emmys.

Erika Slezak triumphs for Megan's death storyline. Wonder how Jessica Tuck thought of her competitor beating her out for her own dying story.

This is also infamous for Lucci recieving a long standing ovation - after she lost. Now gracious in losing she offers the retort "I must congratulate Erika Slezak. I must tell you I vote for you every year."

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by Anonymousreply 499May 19, 2024 4:05 PM

R499-- Slezak won because she submitted the correct scenes for the panel-

Jessica Tuck felt that her hospital scenes would not resonate out of context so she chose some really AWFUL scenes- she probably ranked 5 out of 5 with the scenes that she submitted- I have a feeling she really regretted that- but she had already moved on to conquer Hollywood-

(This was even reported on back then---I think Mimi Torchin said that her heart sank when she saw Jessica's clip at the show- I think its Jessica talking to herself in a mirror?))

I was thrilled for Thom Christopher as this was the first emmy that OLTL had won in many, many years- and by all accounts he is the kindest and sweetest man EVER.

by Anonymousreply 500May 19, 2024 4:15 PM

My Vote is for Passions. I mean what other soap had a trans serial killer, a hell hole in the closet of a house, a doll come to life, witches, a blind priest, and some of the hottest men in daytime.

by Anonymousreply 501May 19, 2024 4:40 PM

R499- Dee Hall is noticeably peeved when she has to take the stage moments after Susan’s poignant standing ovation. She is clipped in her presentation, and just wants to get it over with. Adding insult to injury, Susan’s show triumphs and wins the top award for the first time ever. Not a good night for Deirdre.

by Anonymousreply 502May 19, 2024 6:11 PM

I offered Deidre a consolation prize, and told her she could come to AMC and play Erica's grandmother, but she wasn't at all appreciative of my suggestion......

by Anonymousreply 503May 19, 2024 7:14 PM

The Deirdre-Susan rivalry reached its peak at the 1993 Soap Opera Digest Awards.

Deidre was that year's co-host (with Paul Resier). But it must have drove her crazy that she was not nominated for Lead Actress that year (Days' nominations declined greatly after fan participation in the awards was limited). Susan was however nominated. And she won! But she did not even bother to show up. A Deidre Hall-hosted awards show was apparently beneath her.

Also check out Douglas Marland receiving two awards - I believe he died a few weeks later.

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by Anonymousreply 504May 19, 2024 7:21 PM

Stella Dallas

by Anonymousreply 505May 19, 2024 7:30 PM

Lucci should never have been nominated all those years on a row, if ever. What a joke.

by Anonymousreply 506May 19, 2024 8:27 PM

R506 But she sucked the right cock and eventually her lack of a win overshadowed everyone else's accomplishments.

by Anonymousreply 507May 19, 2024 9:14 PM

The ballot used to be popular to be nominated, good to win; Lucci was the former but never the latter until a series of special scenes were written for her; she also won the year it was all CBS vets against her; the CBS votes may have split.

The DT Emmys never honored Beverlee, Grant, Mary Kay Adams, Maureen Garrett, Peter Simon...I don't respect them at the end of the day.

by Anonymousreply 508May 20, 2024 8:13 AM

Did my sister-in-law ever win one of those Daytime Emmy things?

by Anonymousreply 509May 20, 2024 8:37 AM

R508 Or Lisa Brown.

by Anonymousreply 510May 20, 2024 1:02 PM

R509 She did!

by Anonymousreply 511May 20, 2024 1:02 PM

Au contraire, R511!

Maeve Kinkead did NOT win an Emmy.

MEE-Vah Kinkead did!

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by Anonymousreply 512May 20, 2024 3:42 PM

R512--- LOLLLLLL I almost made that joke hours ago- I remember thinking as a 14 year old, what a doofus- Don't you always prepare for this shit by making sure you know how to pronounce everyone's names??

(No offense JJY- I know he has been through alot in recent years and seems like a good guy)

by Anonymousreply 513May 20, 2024 3:50 PM

R504, Marland died less than a week later after receiving that award. Unbelievable.

My dear, departed friend Geraldine Court told me she admired McKinsey when they were both on AW in 1979. She said Bev actually had little lights installed in the drawers of desks and such. How smart is that? Geri also told me the actor playing her lover on AW (something Hamilton) would slip her the tongue and it would drive her nuts. Yes, Geri was a lesbian but still.

I was a big fan of Geri’s before we met, when she was on The Doctors. She was a fabulous person-incredibly funny. I will admit I had some issues with her acting on soaps (she looked uncomfortable a lot of the time) but she sure did a great job when Jennifer had it out with Amanda before she left Springfield in 1983. She lobbied hard for Emmy consideration but it didn’t happen because the show didn’t want a Laurie Heineman situation (look it up).

by Anonymousreply 514May 20, 2024 4:59 PM

R514- I am dense. Lights in drawers for what??

To illuminate her face just right or to read lines from?

by Anonymousreply 515May 20, 2024 5:14 PM

R508 BS. She should never have been nominated much less year after year when no one thought she deserved it.

by Anonymousreply 516May 20, 2024 9:47 PM

Did Nancy Addison of Ryan's Hope ever get an Emmy? She was really good. I was sad when she died.

by Anonymousreply 517May 20, 2024 10:50 PM

Everyone seemed shocked by her death r517. I wasn't a regular viewer but she always stood out.

As a young child I seem to remember her, and Joel Crothers, as a bad couple on another show. But I believe his character became somewhat of a hero. There was an old woman involved. Was her name Zoe?

by Anonymousreply 518May 20, 2024 11:15 PM

R514, yes, to illuminate her face because overhead lighting isn’t very flattering for more “mature” faces.

Of course soap actors hid their scripts in drawers and under sofa cushions all the time.

by Anonymousreply 519May 21, 2024 1:56 AM

Jessica Tuck was robbed! It was her’s to lose. Don’t remember 100% but I recall Erika barely thanking her in her acceptance speech…is that right? Was there an off screen mother/daughter feud?

by Anonymousreply 520May 21, 2024 2:40 AM

ABC soaps were good until Frons and Pratt destroyed them.

It was all downhill after they went from character driven to story driven.

by Anonymousreply 521May 21, 2024 2:47 AM

R520- Its Jessica's fault- She did not submit any hospital scenes- She probably had worse scenes than Lucci.

And that was just an oversight on Erika's part-

She LOVED Jessica..

In an interview 5-7 years ago Erika raved about her and called her 'My Jessie"..

by Anonymousreply 522May 21, 2024 2:58 AM

It was discussed upthread that Tuck apparently assembled one of the all time worst submission tapes, despite having a great year. It may also be that she did so after she left?

I think after a few of those kinds of wipeouts in the early 90s, shows started coordinating submissions for the actors more often.

by Anonymousreply 523May 21, 2024 3:06 AM

R522- are you sure she LOVED Jessie? At that point, Erika knew how to give an acceptance speech. She should’ve led with her onscreen daughter to whom she was up against and who was favored to win. It was a bit classless in retrospect.

by Anonymousreply 524May 21, 2024 3:10 AM

I have to say, you bitches have really had a thoughtful conversation here on this thread and I am pleasantly surprised.

It's been very interesting. And peppered with just the right amount of gossip and talk about bulges.

by Anonymousreply 525May 21, 2024 3:15 AM

The ones who brought a modern sense to soaps checked in and checked out pretty quickly. It must have sucked for the producers to lose what you had turned your core players into:

Kathy Glass Jenny Jameson Parker realBrad Tom Berrenger Tim Julia Montgomery. realSam

Kathy(Jenny) and Tom(Tim) were the first ones I remember my older sisters running home to. I don't know for sure but I think they may have been the start of the young super couple. Then in 1 to 2 years they were all gone.

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by Anonymousreply 526May 21, 2024 3:24 AM

The biggest travesty was Bev McKinsey never winning especially for her role on GL. Her Roger and Mindy take down scenes are legendary in there brutality.

by Anonymousreply 527May 21, 2024 3:33 AM

Bev was nominated four times for Another World and lost each time - twice to unhearlded co-stars. Lady-eyes-a-buggin also had her only nominations during that period.

by Anonymousreply 528May 21, 2024 4:13 AM

Who are some of Daytimes greatest who never won an Emmy for their work?

by Anonymousreply 529May 21, 2024 2:43 PM

James Mitchell, Kate Collins and Fiona Hutchinson are top 3 for me.

by Anonymousreply 530May 21, 2024 3:11 PM

Beverly McKinsey- 100%!!!

Fiona Hutchison

Gina Tongnoni was pretty damn great-

I was a OLTL watcher, but did that chick who played Melanie on ATWT ever get a nomination? She was very charismatic-- This is the like the late 80's..

I am 44 so its basically 80's-90's in my memory-

by Anonymousreply 531May 21, 2024 3:15 PM

R524- Honestly I don't think Erika expected to win and you can see how flustered /flushed she is-

They got along extremely well--

People forget their spouses too.

I do suspect that Jessica was long gone and in a different mindset when she selected those scenes- but it was massive mistake. She would have won.

Jeanne Cooper was generally overrated and McKinsey should have had her slot. (I don;t anyone expected Erika to be nominated that year either) Wasn't Y&R the show that started the manipulative Block Voting Shit? I think JFP and Santa Barbara were very savvy too, and then JFP started the whole "special episode" shit that would win GH the emmys-

by Anonymousreply 532May 21, 2024 3:21 PM

R531 here, and I forgot Elizabeth Hubbard too.

Her overall episodes submitted may have been off/hard to followq, but she always had the best 20 second clips at the emmys!

She was awesome.

by Anonymousreply 533May 21, 2024 3:22 PM

Yes, I loved Liz and Lucinda but her clips were also often hard to absorb out of context.

by Anonymousreply 534May 21, 2024 3:38 PM

At least Hubbard won before for Althea. The idea that Laura fucking Wright has an Emmy but Lisa Brown, Beverlee and Lady Eyes A Buggin do not have an Emmy is farcial.

by Anonymousreply 535May 21, 2024 3:39 PM

Lisa Brown! I was watching her in some 1987 ATWT episodes- She was outstanding.. (It looks like she was telling Lily that she was her real mother) I believe that these were iconic scenes... (I was OLTL , so forgive my lack of knowledge)

And not over the top- just perfect and real.

by Anonymousreply 536May 21, 2024 4:10 PM

WHET Toni Bull Bua?

by Anonymousreply 537May 21, 2024 7:38 PM

I wrote a long reply to R536 but either it all got deleted somehow or didn't post right OR it's on another thread somewhere. Ooops!

by Anonymousreply 538May 21, 2024 9:12 PM

R536 iconic? ICONIC? Iconic is the fountain scene on GL, or L&L’s marriage on GH.

by Anonymousreply 539May 21, 2024 9:46 PM

R536- That word is overused-- It think it was a classic scene on ATWT-- It seemed like it and was very well done.

Martha Byrne was a little over the top, but Lisa was perfect.

by Anonymousreply 540May 21, 2024 10:21 PM

Yes, Lisa had TWO iconic scenes. So stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

Kelly confronting Nola on GL


Iva telling Rod/Josh and Lily "She's your baby!"

by Anonymousreply 541May 21, 2024 10:31 PM

Kelly/Nola part 1

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by Anonymousreply 542May 21, 2024 10:32 PM

Part 2

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by Anonymousreply 543May 21, 2024 10:32 PM

Part 3....."Morgan.....I HATE THAT NAME!"

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by Anonymousreply 544May 21, 2024 10:32 PM

Then ATWT and the paternity reveal. Many good scenes of the fall out of this, but this had been building for 2 years, since Iva came to town.

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by Anonymousreply 545May 21, 2024 10:34 PM

Of the many scenes after, the ones with Lucinda, John and Iva, especially when Iva tells Lucinda she was raped, are very touching, and explain a lot.

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by Anonymousreply 546May 21, 2024 10:36 PM

The "my daughter/your daughter" line......MARY! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

by Anonymousreply 547May 21, 2024 10:39 PM

Eileen Fulton never won an Emmy and I believe was only nominated once.

CZP has also never won and was snubbed this year.

by Anonymousreply 548May 21, 2024 10:52 PM

I loved, loved Eileen Fulton … but she was not the greatest actress. She was from the very old school of soap acting.

She also stumbled over her lines a lot and they just kept it in.

by Anonymousreply 549May 21, 2024 11:01 PM

I rarely watched GL but fuck I knew who Josh and Lujack were. I'm surprised Josh didn't go on to bigger things.

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by Anonymousreply 550May 22, 2024 12:06 AM

My friends and I used to laugh when AMC’s Phoebe would have to look at cue cards/teleprompter….but we still loved her. I think one of the things that hooked me about AMC was how everyone was given a great storyline at some point, from the teens up to the senior citizens. Sometimes a character would go to the back burner for a while and be supporting in someone else’s storyline, but eventually rotate back up to the front burner. Made Pine Valley feel like a real place.

I hated in the later years when you’d have a character like Ryan on every damn day.

by Anonymousreply 551May 22, 2024 12:11 AM

I still hearts faux Silver

by Anonymousreply 552May 22, 2024 12:14 AM

R552, my friends and I will sometimes still imitate Faux Silver with the breathy “Erica..”

And it’s always fun to use one of Phoebe’s insults…my favorite is “strumpet!”

by Anonymousreply 553May 22, 2024 12:26 AM

I used to love during the Marland era that they would not overdo the background music on ”As the World Turns”. Yes, there was music but unlike “Another World” at the same era (I watched AW until the end of the Sin Stalker story and then went to Oakdale), the music was more restrained. I liked how “As the World Turns” would usually fade to a commercial with no music at all. I don’t know if it was a holdover from other producers or a new thing.

by Anonymousreply 554May 22, 2024 12:37 AM

Oh man I loved OLTL's bombastic, suspenseful, and synth/keyboard based background music- It was outstanding. Everybody notes this on Youtube. I actually found OLTL's music director from the Paul Rauch era and I want to message him!

++I did notice ATWT , when I would sample it during OLTL commercials how quiet and intimate it was, you felt like you were in the room with those people- It probably was close to theatre? And I always noticed how many fades to black had no music.

OLTL and Y&R were VERY score heavy. Even GH was more subtle with music vs OLTL and Y&R (If I recall Santa Barbara was score heavy) and I always remember how B&B's musical cues would not 'fade out" but be composed to end immediately when it blacked out--- OLTL ended up having that same style 20 years later-

by Anonymousreply 555May 22, 2024 12:53 AM

R548 Was CZ (no P) eligible this year? I thought maybe she didn't quite make the eligibility period. Or only had a few episodes.

by Anonymousreply 556May 22, 2024 1:20 AM

I wish the company that did so many of the soap themes (Score?) was more open about sharing them or putting them online (even for a fee) but it seems like they just completely erased them from the universe. (I know we can see them on YT, but I'm talking about just having them out there as pieces of music....)

by Anonymousreply 557May 22, 2024 1:22 AM

R557- Score Productions went out of business a while ago. OLTL had its own Score Productions composer- Michel Camilo- he has a following and still tours- He composed the Loving theme song- the one with that 1960's gay dude singing? Score also did Loving's music. (which was also pretty good based on Youtube anyway) It looks like Score assigned 1-2 in house composers to a show.

AMC's (in the 80's) was not Score, and sucked donkey balls.

And I know that Paul Rauch liked Score, and he used them on AW in the 70's --

I THINK GL used Score as well...

Y&R was the gold standard, but I liked OLTL's just as much.

by Anonymousreply 558May 22, 2024 1:28 AM

Speaking of music, this will always be one of my favorites. It really is beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 559May 22, 2024 1:29 AM

Fuck- AMC did use Score Productions- EEK.

GL and Capitol, as well...

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by Anonymousreply 560May 22, 2024 1:30 AM

I know there was a popular session player (Rob Mounsey?) who wrote the GL theme that was one of my faves, circa 1991 with the lighthouse, etc.

But I think it must have started to cost more to have those themes as suddenly they either all changed or got much shorter. GL weirdly changed theirs a bunch of times.

by Anonymousreply 561May 22, 2024 1:41 AM

The soaps all had such good theme songs into the 80s and then so many of them were replaced with generic headshot openings and even more generic music.

I realize the original theme and film of of the open book on AMC was getting to be a dinosaur when they finally changed it but it gave the show its personality.

by Anonymousreply 562May 22, 2024 1:52 AM

I had always thought that YE’s theme was original and than Nadia used it for her routine but no, it was a heavily used incidental theme in the 1971 film”Bless the Beasts and the Children”. It’s even played over the final scene before the credits.

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by Anonymousreply 563May 22, 2024 1:57 AM

R561, I remember when GL’s theme was truncated, Paul Rauch stated in an interview that the viewers deserved 37 seconds more story — something like that.

by Anonymousreply 564May 22, 2024 2:08 AM

GL’s ‘83-‘85 score cannot be beat. This one has all your faves starting with Beth in an explosion.

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by Anonymousreply 565May 22, 2024 3:06 AM

Try this one. Same GL open.

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by Anonymousreply 566May 22, 2024 3:13 AM

Those closing credits are interesting. John Whitesell is reportedly the reason Judi Evans left the show. She stupidly dated him, he was one of the producers, and he was emotionally abusive. Also, I love the intro and ending scores- similar, but the intro is more dramatic and grand, while the ending is more mournful. Both are beautiful. Those gold spinning is a nice touch.

I didn’t know Victor Miller, the guy who wrote Friday the 13th briefly wrote for GL.

by Anonymousreply 567May 22, 2024 3:20 AM

"Who are some of Daytimes greatest who never won an Emmy for their work?"

Kathryn Hays. Watch the scene with Larry Bryggman at 13:25 (or even better, watch the whole episode); absolutely no one could do "Exhausted Superwoman" better than Hays. NO ONE.

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by Anonymousreply 568May 22, 2024 3:25 AM

The R565/R566 clips are right around the time I started watching GL daily. My friend and I used to imitate that India hair flip. We'd also call out "PHEE-LIP!" in the way she would call after him. (Why yes, we are both homosexuals, why do you ask? LOL)

R567 I didn't know Whitesell was emotionally abusive, but I know that her dating him, and subsequently winning the Emmy, caused some hurt feelings on set and may have been a point of conflict with Grant/Mikey/Krista.

by Anonymousreply 569May 22, 2024 3:49 AM

R569 That is hysterical! The India hair flip! I have tears!

I’m not sure about anyone being jealous Judi won, and it was shockingly GL’s first ACTING win. She had great material and was damn good in it. I think it was because Beth was on damn near 5 days a week and dating a producer. It was justified since she was very popular and went straight into another very popular super couple with Lujack. We’ll never know what really went down. There have been so many mixed signals from all of them.

by Anonymousreply 570May 22, 2024 4:01 AM

I always got a kick out of AMC’s “beauty shots” that would play under the end credits in the 80s. One or more of the actors who’d been on that episode would be wandering around doing little bits of wordless business on “their” set as the credits rolled. It might be Natalie looking out a window, Tom sweeping up The Goalpost, Myra fluffing the couch cushions..I can’t remember if other soaps did this. I’m sure the actors hated it and just wanted to go home!

by Anonymousreply 571May 22, 2024 4:18 AM

Judi Evans played poor molested Beth, then went to Days and played another woman who’d been molested by her father.

by Anonymousreply 572May 22, 2024 12:57 PM

I want a dollar for every time someone says Betsy.

by Anonymousreply 573May 22, 2024 4:00 PM

It really is astonishing that GL never won an acting Emmy before Judi Evans. It did win Best Show - hilariously GL was petty as fuck about it and had the Emmy as the show open for almost a year. Or was it just the closing?


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by Anonymousreply 574May 22, 2024 4:11 PM

List of Outstanding Drama Series winners.

Despite its popularity in the 70s and 80s, AMC didn’t win until 1992, on their 16th nomination. It went on to win 2 more times.

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by Anonymousreply 575May 22, 2024 7:24 PM

I remember the gay storyline with Hank and Iva on ATWT. It was this big secret that Hank was gay and he finally wants to tell Iva and says "I suppose we should talk about the elephant in the room" and Iva goes "I hear the elephant is gay." lol

by Anonymousreply 576May 22, 2024 8:34 PM

The Doctors and those wins. Then not even a nomination. When did The Doctors go down the shitter?

by Anonymousreply 577May 22, 2024 8:35 PM

The background music that grabbed me the most as a youngster was on AW, when Olive and Evan's plot against John ended with John shooting Evan.

i think the audio is around somewhere. Olive starts losing it and poor John Randolph comes to realize how badly he had been played. I wasn't all that young, mid teens, but wow. And of course it became much worse later on.

I understand Lemay's stand that John was a weak man who met his ultimate destiny but at least he died trying to be a hero.

by Anonymousreply 578May 22, 2024 8:51 PM

R572 Yes, but her performance as Beth in the beginning had bite especially when she started fighting back against Bradley, played by the great character actor James Rebhorn. Beth had some bite and her scenes with him (that infamous Thanksgiving scene) were so tense and intense.

Speaking of intense, GL did on location so well. That scene where a homicidal Roger is chasing down Holly in the jungle and they grab each other and both let out a guttural scream. How TF did GL never get acting noms or awards before Judi (then the floodgates opened) when it had some of the best acting?

by Anonymousreply 579May 22, 2024 10:22 PM

Rebhorn played Angel’s abusive father on “As the World Turns” as well.

by Anonymousreply 580May 22, 2024 10:56 PM

My favorite theme is Love Lof Life's last opening.

I also loved GL's creepy and haunting theme with the woman wailing to the music.

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by Anonymousreply 581May 22, 2024 10:58 PM

I used to wait for sitcom reruns at 4 pm as a kid in the late 70s and would catch the ending of GL every day. I remember some blind, blonde girl named Evie or something like that.

by Anonymousreply 582May 22, 2024 11:01 PM

When I was a kid my mom watched GL before she went back to work and I remember some of before I really got into soaps. Evie was fugly and a drip but somehow that hunk Ben loved her. I liked Rita, she seemed so glamorous yet trashy. I also remember Roger raping his wife Holly..pretty deep stuff for the 70s, and a lot for me to grasp at a young age!

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by Anonymousreply 583May 22, 2024 11:13 PM

I think the first episode of AMC I ever saw was one where Brooke, Nina, and Sean were hostages in a bank robbery and Nina went into a coma because of her diabeetus. I started sort of watching it whenever I was home and thought it seemed “cooler” than the soaps my mom and aunts watched, even though it was set in a small town. I was still mostly ambivalent about soaps. Then I happened to catch the episode where (Faux) Silver first came to town, and I was hooked. I begged my parents to get a VCR so I could record it. I was twelve!

by Anonymousreply 584May 22, 2024 11:22 PM

R577, let's blame the demise of The Doctors on the arrival of Alec Baldwin... Datalounge blame him for so many others things!

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by Anonymousreply 585May 22, 2024 11:53 PM

I missed out on a lot of faux Silver but she always entertained. I think she was working as Erica's secretary or something in that New York apartment when Erica chastised her over some little thing. Once Erica left the room, Silver lost it with "go to hell Erica! Drop dead Erica! I hate you Erica!"

she left too soon.

by Anonymousreply 586May 23, 2024 12:01 AM

Victor Miller & Michael Conforti crafted a lot of the Reva/Annie stuff right before the Jimmy & Babs era began. I recall thinking they were an improvement, or maybe it was the Lonitrat..

by Anonymousreply 587May 23, 2024 12:03 AM

and faux-Silver was Connie Wilkes, no?

by Anonymousreply 588May 23, 2024 12:04 AM

The Reva/Annie stuff was excellent. There were so many high moments and good old fashioned drama. GL started to inch up in the ratings, too. Watching Watros grow into that role and lock horns with Zimmer was great TV. Had GL tamed down that San Cristobal and mob nonsense, it was really good from ‘97-‘02. And of course in ‘95 it had the best storyline of the 90s- Brent/Marion.

by Anonymousreply 589May 23, 2024 1:20 AM

Ugh, I hated the Brent/Marion story.

by Anonymousreply 590May 23, 2024 1:26 AM

Yep, 588, when Tad returned to Pine Valley (in the form of Michael E. Knight), he clocked Silver as con-woman Connie Wilkes, who he’d met during his time away. When they turned Silver from a mouse to a glamour puss, the makeover made even non-soap press. I remember a spread/photo shoot with Deborah Goodrich in US magazine showing off Silver’s new look.

I always wanted them to bring back Connie to fuck with Erica and Tad.

by Anonymousreply 591May 23, 2024 1:28 AM

“Connie Wilkes” certainly landed on her feet:

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by Anonymousreply 592May 23, 2024 1:33 AM

I always thought they got rid of fauxSilver because Susan Lucci might have been jealous of her appeal. I didn't no a single co-fan who didn't fucking love fauxSilver. Maybe the actress just wanted to leave. If I recall she married some gazillionaire. If the actress had wanted to stay that was a huge mistake for AMC to can her. She added such a fucking spark to the show and actually breathed new life into a becoming stale, one note Erica.

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