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Pet Shop Boy Neil Tennant cunts on Taylor Swift

Says what we're all thinking.

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by Anonymousreply 122November 12, 2024 9:53 PM

He looks great in that photo. And he’s not wrong.

by Anonymousreply 1April 25, 2024 11:15 PM

He's right

by Anonymousreply 2April 25, 2024 11:17 PM

Full quote:

"He continued, “I have listened to Taylor Swift’s album. Taylor Swift sort of fascinates me as a phenomenon because she’s so popular and I sort of quite like the whole thing. But then when I listen to the records, and we both have the same feeling actually, that for a phenomenon as big [as she is] … where are the famous songs? What is Taylor Swift’s ‘Billie Jean’?”

The interviewer then added that Swifties enjoy having a collective experience, and Tennant agreed. “I like that, I even sort of appreciate that, and I like the fact that it brings all these people together, even multigenerational, but I just think that the one disappointing thing is the music. Not even the lyrics, the music,” he said.

by Anonymousreply 3April 25, 2024 11:19 PM

Agree.

I don't actively hate her but I think she was created for - or panders to - an audience. She's like the Restoration Hardware of music, designed to look like something classic or aged but with all the soul of a mall food court.

by Anonymousreply 4April 25, 2024 11:20 PM

He was polite about what he said, but, yes, he's right. And he should know. The Pet Shop Boys have several songs that have stood the test of time. It's not just that I'm Gen X-- even Gen Z would recognize a few of their hits because they are still culturally relevant and appear in movies, tv, etc. The same cannot be said for Taylor Swift.

by Anonymousreply 5April 25, 2024 11:40 PM

[quote]She's like the Restoration Hardware of music

This sounds cute and everything but Restoration Hardware's heyday was maybe 6 or 7 years long. Taylor Swift has been famous since she was 17 -- almost 20 years at this point. Her longevity is close to surpassing Madonna's.

And Blank Space is her Billie Jean. It's a cute song too.

by Anonymousreply 6April 25, 2024 11:44 PM

[Quote] Her longevity is close to surpassing Madonna's.

Only in your mind

by Anonymousreply 7April 25, 2024 11:48 PM

Right, Madonna was A-list globally through 3 decades: 80s, 90s, 00s (even though COADF and Hard Candy weren't big in America, they were big globally). Taylor will need to be popular for another decade or so to match that.

by Anonymousreply 8April 26, 2024 1:04 AM

Until you said "Blank Space" - I, too, was drawing a blank for any stand out songs. Her songs are pretty forgettable, quite honestly, and I didn't recall that one at all until that post.

However, i maintain that it is a song that doesn't exactly spring to mind. None of her hits really do.

by Anonymousreply 9April 26, 2024 1:11 AM

People are envious of her success.

You Belong to Me was huge and is the first song i think of when I think of Taylor. Her success speaks for itself.

by Anonymousreply 10April 26, 2024 1:14 AM

Madonna was a global superstar from 1985 until 2005, when she had her last top 10 song.

You can’t claim the fucking 80s and 2000s as full decades of fame when she was either a nonentity or a else a has/been for 10 of those 20 years.

Besides that, at THIS point in Madonna’s career, Madonna was already flaming out. Taylor Swift is only now peaking, at age 35.

by Anonymousreply 11April 26, 2024 2:25 AM

I was born in the 80s and I can’t name one song by the Pet Shop Boys or by Taylor Swift so I guess it takes one to know one.

by Anonymousreply 12April 26, 2024 2:25 AM

West End Girls is a classic song and will forever be, even if the rest of their catalog didn't exist.

by Anonymousreply 13April 26, 2024 2:32 AM

[Quote] Her longevity is close to surpassing Madonna's.

Yet, I can't name a single song title of Swift's

by Anonymousreply 14April 26, 2024 2:37 AM

Her new song isn’t bad but I think that’s only because Post Malone is in it too. All her other tracks mush up in the back of my brain.

by Anonymousreply 15April 26, 2024 2:38 AM

[quote] Madonna was a global superstar from 1985 until 2005, when she had her last top 10 song.

Again, GLOBALLY. And you are wrong. Her last top 10 song was actually Give Me all Your Luvin' which hit #10 on the Billboard Hot 100 and reached the top 20 in many other countries. And it was the year of her Superbowl performance.

by Anonymousreply 16April 26, 2024 2:48 AM

Her defining song for me is Shake it Off. When I think of Taylor, this is the song playing in my head. I wasn’t really paying her much attention before but I knew who she was after this. It was fucking everywhere in 2014, even in supermarkets. You couldn’t get away from it if you tried. I think this is when her dominance started to reach next level.

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by Anonymousreply 17April 26, 2024 2:49 AM

That was in response to this comment. Also, she wasn't a has-been in the 90s.

[quote] You can’t claim the fucking 80s and 2000s as full decades of fame when she was either a nonentity or a else a has/been for 10 of those 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 18April 26, 2024 2:50 AM

The only song I know is Shake it Off because a dance teacher used it all the time. I honestly don’t know any other songs. U don’t hate her, I just don’t know her.

by Anonymousreply 19April 26, 2024 2:52 AM

Taylor Swift is what, years ago, was called bubblegum pop.

by Anonymousreply 20April 26, 2024 2:59 AM

R17, it's sad that a 20-something year old woman wrote a lyric whining about how people criticize her for "staying out too late". She truly is an adolescent. And THIS is supposed to be a great songwriter?

by Anonymousreply 21April 26, 2024 3:03 AM

While his criticism is absolutely valid, it could also be levied against the Pet Shop Boys.

Sure, if you're a fan, you know their ouevre and can list many of their songs. But, the criticism is that Swift doesn't have a "Billie Jean" - a song that is so closely associated with the artist and is widely known by the general public, not just fans.

Their two songs most widely known are a cover and West End Girls - and I question whether the average person knows West End Girls anymore.

True Taylor Swift fans, of which there are apparently MILLIONS, would likely easily name her "Billie Jean" just as Pet Shop Boys fans could tick off a list of their hits.

by Anonymousreply 22April 26, 2024 3:18 AM

R22, but the difference is the Pet Shop Boys were never on the same level of Taylor or Michael Jackson. So it wouldn't make sense for them to have a "Billie Jean". "Billie Jean" is a song that is beloved by fans, the general public AND critics. Does Taylor have a single like that? No, I don't think she does.

by Anonymousreply 23April 26, 2024 3:21 AM

[quote]Does Taylor have a single like that? No, I don't think she does.

And, I agreed that the criticism was valid that she does NOT have such a song.

by Anonymousreply 24April 26, 2024 3:23 AM

R24, my bad. I do think you are right that most people wouldn't be able to name West End Girls but I also think that makes perfect sense since they were never considered on the level of Prince, Whitney, Michael, Madonna, George Michael or Bruce Springsteen in the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 25April 26, 2024 3:45 AM

People saying they can't name one of her songs should include their age. That will explain everything.

by Anonymousreply 26April 26, 2024 5:20 AM

[quote] Her longevity is close to surpassing Madonna's.

No. It's not.

[quote] And Blank Space is her Billie Jean. It's a cute song too.

No. It's not. Again.

She has nothing close to a Billie Jean, or a Like A Virgin or Vogue, or a Purple Rain...

by Anonymousreply 27April 26, 2024 6:15 AM

When you reach a certain age, it's already an act of generosity to have an open mind about younger pop stars and their music. That achieved, it's even rarer for songs by "younger" artist to really register with an older listener.

Add to that, it is certainly true that popular music is more generic and fake than ever before.

And finally, Taylor is "fast food tasty generic slop" designed for global consumption and succeeding.

I'm saying biology is part of the reason Tennant can't retain the music but also, Taylor's music is not remarkably "musical" or "artistic". Not music for someone like Tennant - a former music critic himself - who has done postmodern, quite conceptual dance music for decades, not to mention all that shimmery pop music as well.

by Anonymousreply 28April 26, 2024 6:19 AM

[quote] You can’t claim the fucking 80s and 2000s as full decades of fame when she was either a nonentity or a else a has/been for 10 of those 20 years.

Bullshit. Madonna started in 83. That's nearly the whole decade. From folks who lived through these times, to mainstream publications, academia, etc., it's well established that Madonna was the single female artist that ruled and defined the 1980s. Not even debatable. She also did extremely well for an aging female artist in the early 00s, with one of her biggest global hits, not to mention establishing herself as the world's top grossing female touring artist (until just the past year), with her most successful and longest tours well into her third decade and beyond.

[quote] Besides that, at THIS point in Madonna’s career, Madonna was already flaming out. Taylor Swift is only now peaking, at age 35.

Wrong. Again. Madonna had her biggest career resurgence in the later 90s with the Ray of Light project, which finally brought her critical acclaim, awards, etc...and introduced her to a new generation which then became a major part of her fanbase going forward. Also, as for artistic output, the 90s/Madonna's 30s were some of her most experimental and creative phases.

[quote] Madonna was a global superstar from 1985 until 2005, when she had her last top 10 song.

She still is. While firmly in legacy territory, she's still on a sold out tour right now, at 65, without a single cancellation.

by Anonymousreply 29April 26, 2024 6:25 AM

And since Madonna has been injected into this brew, Madonna's music and career has very little in common, sonically or stylistically, with Swift's. Madonna's first album is a kick in the nuts - very urban and punchy. Madonna never turned her back completely on the propulsive dance stylings and managed a few tunes into her 50s, even.

Swift has absolutely zero grit, heat, or sex in her music.

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by Anonymousreply 30April 26, 2024 6:33 AM

I recognized the song at R17 once I played it but I had no idea it was a Taylor Swift song - I’m sure there are some others of hers that would be familiar if I heard them, but I can’t name any TS songs off the top of my head - which is fine, I’m old, but damn she sure is generic.

by Anonymousreply 31April 26, 2024 6:37 AM

[quote]People don't write songs like Karma Chameleon any more.

Let's count that as a blessing, Neil.

by Anonymousreply 32April 26, 2024 6:44 AM

Given her ubiquity, I'm sure I must have never heard bits of her music playing somewhere, sometime, quite likey on multiple, even many occasions...

But if you played the most recognizable parts of her most famous songs, I wouldn't have a clue who the fuck was singing. I would guess her music is as insipid as that thick powdery mask of old lady face paint she wears, but it's not music that enters my brain, it's just static background noise.

by Anonymousreply 33April 26, 2024 6:49 AM

Those two old farts need to retire. Yes PSB had loads of amazing songs. But Neil looks like Wallace (minus Gromit) and Chris looks like a ridiculous propped up corpse with those stupid costumes and sunglasses. Like something out of Weekend at Bernie's or an elaborate macabre funeral for your rich black auntie who was larger than life.

I am by no means a Swiftie. That passive-aggressive narcissistic Disney princess folk singer who peaked in high school does nothing for me.

by Anonymousreply 34April 26, 2024 6:55 AM

R34 Folk singer? Nothing about her is folk

by Anonymousreply 35April 26, 2024 1:37 PM

When did Neil Tennant become John McCain?

by Anonymousreply 36April 26, 2024 2:49 PM

R20 that is complete bollocks. I have only heard the last four albums and they could never be described as bubblegum pop.

by Anonymousreply 37April 26, 2024 2:51 PM

Pet Shop Boys are more famous in UK than in US, like the Spice Girls.

by Anonymousreply 38April 26, 2024 3:08 PM

R29, it really is interesting. Madonna is a piece of trash now and I am repulsed by her. But in retrospect, she really did take a LOT of crap for being in her 40s and still making hot songs. She was constantly mocked by others on tv for being old. And now, she really is old and weird. But look at others--Beyonce is over 40 and so is Shakira. They have no signs of stopping and nobody is even suggesting it. I think a lot of that is due to Madonna.

by Anonymousreply 39April 26, 2024 3:14 PM

R30, that's exactly why Taylor does nothing for me. She has no edge to her. She is flavorless. She's vanilla wafers without any vanilla.

by Anonymousreply 40April 26, 2024 3:16 PM

She’s a billionaire. Guess she doesn’t need a Billie Jean.

by Anonymousreply 41April 26, 2024 3:22 PM

Madonna had a cultural impact that no other female artist has ever had.

by Anonymousreply 42April 26, 2024 3:23 PM

I’ve never heard of either of Taylor’s “defining”songs. Perhaps it is time to, I don’t know, sell out a little and let a ketchup company use one as a jingle? Clearly, the appeal of Taylor Swift, and music in general anymore, is cult of personality, clickbait for an insular generation unconcerned about mass appeal as it was understood half a century ago.

by Anonymousreply 43April 26, 2024 3:36 PM

I always love the way people throw out "he/she is a millionaire" as if that's some sort of testament to a person's innate talent and/or contribution toward the greater good of humanity.

I've heard that ad nauseum about Elon Musk too. They are millionaires/billionaires, ergo they are THE BEST AT LIFE AND WE SHOULD ALL BE AWED AND INSPIRED AND WANT TO BE LIKE THEM.

Except, that's rarely the case with people like them.

by Anonymousreply 44April 26, 2024 3:44 PM

This past fall I was on a college tour road trip with my niece and we HAD to listen to Taylor Swift the whole time in the car. I swear every song sounded exactly alike and the lyrics were all basically telling the same story, over and over and over.

by Anonymousreply 45April 26, 2024 3:47 PM

[quote]Pet Shop Boys are more famous in UK than in US, like the Spice Girls.

And?

by Anonymousreply 46April 26, 2024 4:39 PM

Someone up thread said they never heard of Pet Shop Boys so I was just sayin…..they’re not so big in the US.

by Anonymousreply 47April 26, 2024 4:45 PM

The Spice Girls were massive in America, not comparable to The Pet Shop Boys at all. I was around when they became popular. Wannabe (irritiating as fuck as it is) is massive on youtube and spotify, people still sing that stupid song.

by Anonymousreply 48April 26, 2024 4:47 PM

Nonetheless Album by Pet Shop Boys debuts today. Tennant got some publicity.

by Anonymousreply 49April 26, 2024 4:54 PM

PSB were a little too cerebral and gay to ever be huge mainstream pop stars in the US. Sure they had a few big hits, but they are more of a niche act. And there's nothing wrong with that.

by Anonymousreply 50April 26, 2024 4:59 PM

It's a collective experience, nothing more. She is the most famous and beloved person I have known in my life to have so little merit. She writes her own songs? Who cares, they're beyond mediocre as is her music. I have to disagree with NT though in that I DON'T like it. People losing their heads and spending millions over an empty, no substance prefabricated singer does not bode well, especially when there are talented, creative musicians trying to bring something new into music but can barely make a living and get zero accolades.

by Anonymousreply 51April 26, 2024 5:00 PM

R10 it really doesn't. It truly doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 52April 26, 2024 5:04 PM

R14 it’s no one’s fault because you’re old and ignorant

by Anonymousreply 53April 26, 2024 5:12 PM

Music doesn't reach people the same way as it did before the internet; a hit used to be a ubiquitous thing that was heard everywhere.

Hardly anyone listens to Top 40 radio. While Taylor Swift might be a global phenomenon to her fans for everyone else she is maybe only heard as low background music at a dentist office or grocery store and hardly noticed.

Her songs aren't really catchy enough to be remembered by people who aren't already fans.

by Anonymousreply 54April 26, 2024 5:37 PM

Her Billie Jean/Vogue/Piano Man/Faith etc is probably Love Story. Which is a bit sad.

by Anonymousreply 55April 26, 2024 5:50 PM

Billie Jean Vogue Piano Man Faith is my new drag name.

by Anonymousreply 56April 26, 2024 6:05 PM

[quote]That's nearly the whole decade.

Please. Holiday and Lucky Star both came out in August 1983. If you're gonna try to round up and say that 7 years out of 10 is the whole decade, then you also have to round up and say that releasing a song in the 8th month of the year basically means the song in question didn't come out until 1984. You can't have that shit both ways.

So, just applying your own stupid logic, "nearly" the whole year of1983 passed before she released her first single. Which means 1984. Six years. She doesn't get credit for the entirety of the 80s, dummy.

[quote]Wrong. Again. Madonna had her biggest career resurgence in the later 90s with the Ray of Light project, which finally brought her critical acclaim, awards, etc..

You dumb bitch. Ray of Light was not Madonna's peak. Ray of Light was to Madonna what Believe was to Cher. A cute little second act following years in exile. People were happy for Madonna when Ray of Light came out. But they were also hiding the fact that they were listening to the record, because Madonna was past her sell by date, even factoring her reinvention as the so-called Ethereal Girl.

Madonna peaked in 1989-1990 with Vogue and Blond Ambition. Period. That means she peaked 16 years into her career. And since we are going by awards, what awards did she win that year? Did she win an Album of the Year Grammy in year sixteen of her career the way that Taylor Swift just won her FOURTH Album of the Year Grammy in year seventeen of hers?

What Grammies *has* Grandmadonna won, anyway?

by Anonymousreply 57April 26, 2024 10:41 PM

Madonna has won several Grammys r57.

Madonna had a tremendous social and cultural impact that no other female artist has ever had. The kind of fame and the kind of influence that Madonna had at her peak does not exist in our culture anymore.

by Anonymousreply 58April 26, 2024 10:48 PM

She now equals Madonna with UK No.1 albums.

Streaming will do that.

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by Anonymousreply 59April 26, 2024 11:54 PM

That damn song about the bleachers

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by Anonymousreply 60April 27, 2024 12:08 AM

She, Ed Sheeran, Adele- bland, vanilla, PR schooled to be totally anodyne.

by Anonymousreply 61April 27, 2024 12:15 AM

Deserved.

by Anonymousreply 62April 27, 2024 12:18 AM

Madonna was instrumental in formulating the acceptance of gays in society.

by Anonymousreply 63April 27, 2024 12:22 AM

R51 You don't think she has talent?

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by Anonymousreply 64April 27, 2024 12:24 AM

R59. They’re both queer, so…

by Anonymousreply 65April 27, 2024 12:36 AM

R6 true. But she hasn't been the Biggest Pop Star on the planet during that entire time.

When she started it was Beyonce. Then Gaga. Then her. Then Adele. Then Rihanna. Then Billie Eilish. Now it's her again.

by Anonymousreply 66April 27, 2024 12:40 AM

I don’t think Taylor has been near a cock…ever.

by Anonymousreply 67April 27, 2024 12:42 AM

All her boyfriends have ^^^^

by Anonymousreply 68April 27, 2024 12:43 AM

You forgot Katy Perry

by Anonymousreply 69April 27, 2024 12:46 AM

R66 you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground

by Anonymousreply 70April 27, 2024 12:47 AM

R70 THE SWIFTNESS HAVE INVADED!

by Anonymousreply 71April 27, 2024 12:49 AM

Whenever I hear a "new" Taylor Swift sing, I immediately think, "Oh grow the Fuck up already." It's always the same 3-note melodies of a girl spewing her latest confessions from her diary.

How long will this 30 something woman, forever be the Cheerleader with her latest steady?

by Anonymousreply 72April 27, 2024 3:55 AM

R72. no lies detected.

by Anonymousreply 73April 27, 2024 3:57 AM

R65 Huh?

by Anonymousreply 74April 27, 2024 2:56 PM

Interesting that she doesn't have a song in the sixty most streamed songs of all time. The Weeknd and Harry Styles have two songs each in the top twenty.

by Anonymousreply 75April 27, 2024 3:19 PM

Here's the link to the top 100 most streamed songs (many from 2021/2022). She comes in at 69 with Cruel Summer.

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by Anonymousreply 76April 27, 2024 3:20 PM

The songs of Swift's I remember are Love Story, I Knew You Were Trouble, Style, Shake It Off, Blank Space, Bad Blood and End Game. Nothing off the last four albums which were all folk dirges ruined by Antonoff's bland production.

by Anonymousreply 77April 27, 2024 3:23 PM

Shawnie Mendes has 3 songs on that list R75. I hadn't realized he was so successful at his peak.

by Anonymousreply 78April 27, 2024 3:24 PM

It's a It's a It's a IT'S A SIN!

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by Anonymousreply 79April 27, 2024 4:15 PM

[quote] Pet Shop Boy Neil Tennant cunts on Taylor Swift

Far better than Neil cums on Taylor Swift.

by Anonymousreply 80April 27, 2024 4:24 PM

I never bothered with Taylor after realizing she completely plagiarized Lorde's Royals with her "You need to calm down". After that I knew very well what a crap artist Taylor was and never even tried to bother with her again.

by Anonymousreply 81April 27, 2024 5:24 PM

R76 Yeah TS is strangely absent from many of those accolades. You'd think she would show up WAY more.

by Anonymousreply 82April 27, 2024 5:44 PM

At this point, the meta-narrative about Taylor's songs is bigger than the songs themselves. I saw a comment that said Taylor is the Marvel Cinematic Universe of music, and that seems pretty accurate. Without the larger narrative about her dating life, most of her songs wouldn't make much sense or resonate. Once she's gone and no one remembers/knows that narrative, it's questionable whether her individual songs will stand on their own.

by Anonymousreply 83April 27, 2024 8:12 PM

R75, now, to be fair, almost every single song in the top 20 is mediocre. Based on that, you'd think Taylor would dominate the top 20.

by Anonymousreply 84April 27, 2024 8:55 PM

Taylor's way of leaving Easter eggs in her songs sort of reminds me of Madonna. Madonna sang about domestic abuse and other things on the Like a Prayer album. She managed to use her personal life to sell records. And that's fine. But unlike Taylor, you never doubted Madonna was an ADULT woman doing this. Taylor's way of leaving Easter eggs is like an adolescent's Groundhog Day. She'll be leaving these Easter eggs again and again and again.

by Anonymousreply 85April 27, 2024 8:58 PM

This reminds me of how at the end of his life Karl Lagerfeld started obsessing bout the Olsen twins on social media and would complain about them.

by Anonymousreply 86April 27, 2024 9:16 PM

I'm not a fan, but as someone who's generally interested in music, I can name some songs that could qualify as her Billie Jean:

Shake It Off

Anti-Hero

Karma

Knew You Were Trouble

Cultural consumption is so segmented now, it's not really possible to have another Billie Jean — a song that dominates the radio and therefore culture at large. But a couple years ago, Anti-Hero came close; it was all over TV, commercials, social media for months.

by Anonymousreply 87April 27, 2024 9:28 PM

[QUOTE] now, to be fair, almost every single song in the top 20 is mediocre.

What is mediocre about Blinding Lights and As It Was?

by Anonymousreply 88April 28, 2024 2:04 AM

"Cultural consumption is so segmented now, it's not really possible to have another Billie Jean — a song that dominates the radio and therefore culture at large. "

But the wiki article R76 posted certainly shows there are songs that can still be massively succesfull, if not quite as massively as before.

by Anonymousreply 89April 28, 2024 2:05 AM

Billie Jean was a creepy song about trying to avoid paying child support money, sung by a pedophile. Smooth Criminal was grim too - Jacko bragging about getting away with children rape because the world thought he was an eccentric cutie.

by Anonymousreply 90April 28, 2024 4:21 AM

In the glory days of Twitter, one Swiftie got so mad at people making fun of the song “Me!” that they spoiled the ending to Avengers: Endgame on opening day.

The scenes.

by Anonymousreply 91April 28, 2024 2:58 PM

[quote] But she hasn't been the Biggest Pop Star on the planet during that entire time.

It’s arguable that Madonna has NEVER been THE biggest pop star on the planet.

by Anonymousreply 92May 11, 2024 9:47 AM

He is right.

by Anonymousreply 93May 11, 2024 9:56 AM

Their new album is bland. Not a single memorable track.

by Anonymousreply 94May 11, 2024 10:19 AM

I started listening to Swift with that double Cardigan album in the pandemic. It is still perfect background music for reading (it distracts me less than classical music) or a dinner party, including the last, long one. Some songs are more enjoyable than other but yes, they blend in together.

Madonna is a completely different object. Up to Hung Up she managed to pull one memorable hit after another. To me the ultimate test are songs that are played at suburban weddings where everyone hits the dance floor. She has like ten or so. Swift has none. Different times, perhaps.

by Anonymousreply 95May 11, 2024 10:30 AM

I know a girl through work, much younger than me, who is obsessed with Swift. She's in her twenties and married with a kid. Teen pregnancy. She listens to Swift, listens to interviews and podcasts, etc. Everything Swift. I don't get it. Her music is pablum and not even that catchy IMO. I think I heard that Shake it Off thing and loathed it.

I did overhear her listening to something about the "traveling Swifties" in which these women, or girls, travel the world to see her in concert. How do they afford it and have so much time to do this?

by Anonymousreply 96May 11, 2024 10:48 AM

Neil and Chris were always more 'supportive' to younger male acts. Or over the hill female gay icons.

by Anonymousreply 97May 11, 2024 10:53 AM

[quote]But if you played the most recognizable parts of her most famous songs, I wouldn't have a clue who the fuck was singing. I would guess her music is as insipid as that thick powdery mask of old lady face paint she wears, but it's not music that enters my brain, it's just static background noise.

Perfect description. Unfortunately, it describes a lot of current music for me including Beyonce.

by Anonymousreply 98May 11, 2024 10:57 AM

He’s not being a cunt. He’s simply being honest.

by Anonymousreply 99May 11, 2024 11:05 AM

I know a young woman who actually flew from country to country to see Swift live when she was on her last tour. Her fans are beyond insane. Who else has fans who wear diapers so they don’t have to leave her show to go to the bathroom?

by Anonymousreply 100May 11, 2024 11:06 AM

[quote] Madonna is a completely different object. Up to Hung Up she managed to pull one memorable hit after another.

Madonna had many years there where she wasn’t getting hits, but yes, she did manage to bounce back during that period and I’d take Madonna over Swift any day.

by Anonymousreply 101May 11, 2024 11:07 AM

R85, what’s your deal with Easter eggs?

by Anonymousreply 102May 11, 2024 11:09 AM

How do they afford it R1?

by Anonymousreply 103May 11, 2024 2:59 PM

I think “Shake It Off” is her biggest hit?

That song is awful. To compare it to “Billie Jean” or “Like A Prayer” would be silly.

I’d compare it to “Oops I Did It Again”.

by Anonymousreply 104May 11, 2024 3:46 PM

It's not really Taylor I have a problem with. It's her fans and a fawning media. I hate, hate, hate her fans. Especially as they get older. There's a couple of cube fraus, fat and over forty, where I work he talk incessantly about her. I don't know any of her songs. I wouldn't recognize one if I heard one. It's that osmosis thing though. STOP. I try not to criticize other peoples music as music is so personal. I mean I'm the Cowboy Junkies troll. Who am I to judge?

by Anonymousreply 105May 11, 2024 4:25 PM

R85 What are some of these Easter eggs that she has left?

by Anonymousreply 106May 11, 2024 5:32 PM

I can't imagine Taylor at 65 years old still going on sold-out world tours like Madonna. There's not a single record in her catalog that will any replay value four decades from now. She doesn't have a song like "Vogue," which not only started a trend but introduced the rest of the world to an underground culture they were previously ignorant of. She may have fans around the world, but she still doesn't have the same cultural impact, or stage presence, or dance ability, or groundbreaking music videos. She has nothing in common with Madonna other than being blonde, white, and female. Once her "Era" is finally over, Taylor will quickly be forgotten like other performers who are only of the moment, not forever iconic.

by Anonymousreply 107May 11, 2024 5:50 PM

[quote] Taylor Swift just won her FOURTH Album of the Year Grammy

What a fucking terrible indictment of the current state of the business. More wins than Stevie Wonder. Sure.

by Anonymousreply 108May 11, 2024 6:08 PM

"It’s arguable that Madonna has NEVER been THE biggest pop star on the planet."

She had her chance in the 80s and early 90s but Pedo Jackson was the biggest pop star then.

by Anonymousreply 109May 11, 2024 7:28 PM

[quote] but yes, she did manage to bounce back during that period

It’s important to note that this was 20 years ago, and she hasn’t had one single hit since then.

by Anonymousreply 110May 12, 2024 6:05 AM

Pet Shop Boys accepting their "Pop Pioneers" award from Aaron Taylor Johnson at the European Music Awards (EMA):

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by Anonymousreply 111November 11, 2024 7:38 PM

I love WAP and My Neck, My Back

by Anonymousreply 112November 11, 2024 7:45 PM

I never hear her music in supermarkets and places like that. I guess if I do, it doesn't register.

Not only does she not compare to Madonna in terms of major pop hits that the entire culture recognizes, she also doesn't compare to someone like Joni Mitchell in terms of memorable, insightful songs about her romantic life. She just seems bleh in every possible way.

by Anonymousreply 113November 11, 2024 8:02 PM

Go off, King

by Anonymousreply 114November 11, 2024 8:05 PM

Swift is the Pandora charm bracelet of popular music. It's also more a cult than a fandom. Like Harry Potter was. It's for childish women.

by Anonymousreply 115November 11, 2024 8:06 PM

Vapid girl, unremarkable voice. Hate hus voice but he's correct.

by Anonymousreply 116November 11, 2024 8:08 PM

Cruel Summer and Shake it Off are great, fun, bubblegum pop.

Her albums and tours are big successes, but no she doesn’t have a standout song. As mentioned up thread, she’s in her mid 30s still singing about High School stuff. There were a few references to her stay in the “hospital” on the last album. I think that’s about as edgy as she’s going to get.

by Anonymousreply 117November 11, 2024 8:08 PM

I love her rumination on hangnails.

by Anonymousreply 118November 11, 2024 9:33 PM

He lost me when he said: ‘People don’t write songs like Karma Chameleon any more.’

I never liked that song.

by Anonymousreply 119November 11, 2024 9:37 PM

I love Mariah’s Shake It Off but can’t even remember Taylor’s. Girl couldn’t write a hook if her life depended on it.

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by Anonymousreply 120November 12, 2024 3:01 AM

Tay-tay's masterpiece cottagecore cycle is the perfect morph of Virginia Woolf and Melanie.

by Anonymousreply 121November 12, 2024 9:46 PM

Jack Antonoff is an abysmal producer. All those sludgy synths.

by Anonymousreply 122November 12, 2024 9:53 PM
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