Turmoil at Tesla

[quote]Tesla is also laying off 14,000 workers due to declining sales.

Holy shit, that's a lot of workers.

[quote]its share price has lost one-third of its value.

And still way, way overvalued.

The key demo for Tesla was high income eco-conscious lefties. What lefty wants to buy or be seen in a Tesla now that comrade Musk has revealed himself as a right winger? I live in a purple area of a red state and I hardly ever see a Tesla of late when they were once more numerous. I presume the lefties got rid of theirs and the righties are all driving trucks.

Couldn't have happened to a bigger, fucking rancid, putrid cunt.

It was status at one point to own a Tesla. My techie 20-something neighbor paid $75,000 cash, for his— at the urging of his status-conscious wife.

Glad I sold my stock

When will the Tesla Board realize that Elon Musk is their biggest problem, and that they'd do a lot better if they completely ousted him. And part of that is admitting the cybertruck was a horrible mistake, and just cancel that thing.

And yeah, Teslas went from being a status symbol to an albatross. Many are selling theirs because they don't want to be associated with Elon Musk in any way. Also? The reality of the fact that the quality control is TERRIBLE has really tarnished the brand above and beyond Musk (though it must be said, Musk is the root cause for the quality issues).

It's time for the Tesla board to fire Elon Trump. Unfortunately, they won't, because Elon Musk stacked the board with acolytes and sycophants.

Teslas are actually now kind of a good deal. The Model 3 was just recently updated and has been getting very good reviews, and the prices have been lowered significantly. The Supercharger network is superior to any of the competition.

I am shocked (shocked!) that the world's most-overvalued company is dropping in worth faster than you can say "Elmo is an idiot".

Tesla was supposed to open a dealership in my city years ago but it fizzled out.

They are fascinating cars but if you have Corolla money and don’t think much of Elon, why bother.

DON'T GO WOKE GO BROKE!

Come on Tim Cook, swoop in and buy Tesla for cheap.

Make the brand the "must have" car again as only Apple can do!

NOOOO! APPLE CAN NEVER OWN TESLA! GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP.

Elon Musk is a fascist dick and the only people who would buy a car from a fascist dick are people who think EVs are woke... lose/lose 😛

Then there was this piece of marketing genius, get people to buy a $100,000 truck by showing them how easy it is to vandalize 🙄

R11, supposedly Musk offered to sell years back. But, love your idea for now.

Tesla has too much technological know-how and advanced production techniques to just die. It'll merge with some other company. I could imagine it merging with Stellantis or most likely a Chinese company.

Sales are down for all American EVs. If any car companies are going to die soon, it'll be Rivian and Lucid before Tesla.

^ EVs came on too fast and people are resisting and until the charging network is more complete you'll never get people who live in apartments to buy them

[quote]EVs came on too fast and people are resisting and until the charging network is more complete you'll never get people who live in apartments to buy them

Ya think?

^ There you go and even with a more complete network it's still a hassle for people in apartments/urban areas to get charged, because even with charges on every corner there is still that long wait. EVs are great for people in suburban areas who have a garage and can just plug-in at the end of the day

Fisker is going to go broke first, R16. Not that Rivian or Lucid are doing that well... but yeah, Tesla will be bought and merged into one of the real car companies, probably at an inflated price that will net Elmo $billions. Maybe he'll buy Truth Salad and run that into the ground, too.

What should happen to Tesla is that a competitor like BMW should buy it out, take all the technology, and bury the name in a trash heap.

"I could imagine it merging with Stellantis."

If Stellantis does to Tesla what it is currently doing to Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep and Ram you can kiss it goodbye within 5 years of purchase.

Other than some vague promise of future EVs, Stellantis hasn't introduced a single new vehicle, EV or ICE, since it purchased Fiat Chrysler. But has laid of hundreds and hundreds of Chrysler employees while discontinuing the Chrysler 300, the Dodge Charger and Challenger, and the Jeep Renegade and Cherokee. Meanwhile Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealers have by far the highest inventory of unsold cars on their lots than any other brand and can't give them away.

[quote] Maybe he'll buy Truth Salad and run that into the ground, too.

I think current management will beat him to it.

r21 BMW does not need to. I had a Tesla, have a BMW i4 now. It is light years better of a car and gets just as good of range

Where I live, Teslas are the car of choice for ride share drivers who get some kind of monthly rental deal on them.

[QUOTE] BMW does not need to. I had a Tesla, have a BMW i4 now. It is light years better of a car and gets just as good of range

Yes, much of their decline is due to the fact that competitors are just flat out making better and sexier cars than them. Who wants a Tesla when you can have an electric BMW or Benz?

r26 not just that but QC. Teslas have huge quality control issues. Panel gaps, sub par build materials. Repairs take months for simple things.

[quote]Stellantis hasn't introduced a single new vehicle, EV or ICE, since it purchased Fiat Chrysler.

You don't know what you are talking about.

It has introduced several new vehicles. In Europe.

Stellantis is doing very well in Europe. It's the 4th largest car company in the world in sales. Bigger than GM. Bigger than Ford.

It has now even surpassed Tesla for EV sales there.

Tesla makes their European cars in Germany in a new state-of-the-art factory.

I sure could imagine a merger between Stellantis and Tesla.

Ellen is focused? More like she throws span at the wall and treats others as “human capital”.

Spahgetti* not span

[quote]Yes, much of their decline is due to the fact that competitors are just flat out making better and sexier cars than them. Who wants a Tesla when you can have an electric BMW or Benz?

That’s why Tesla has had to drastically cut their prices. A base Model 3 now starts at $39k, while a base BMW i4 starts at $52.

[quote]Teslas have huge quality control issues. Panel gaps, sub par build materials. Repairs take months for simple things.

BMW and Mercedes also have far superior dealership networks and offer a better ownership experience. What Tesla has is their superior charging infrastructure.

The Tesla factory in Germany

r32 and most every EV will use it in 2025.

Stock is down 60%

^ Gee...

Cybertruck sales halted due to “unintended acceleration” issues

Wow, R37. That's build quality for you. What, did they show this design to Elmo when he was injecting or smoking K?

With luxury brands finally waking up to the fact that diving head first into EVs was stupid and now committing to building hybrids, Tesla will be in even more trouble. I would never buy an EV. I already have enough anxiety in my life without adding “charging anxiety. I will, however, buy a hybrid if it’s a vehicle I like.

Yeah I’m shocked by Tesla’s anti-hybrid stance. They’re leaving money on the table. More Americans are comfortable with hybrids, it’s obvious.

Tesla is run by somebody who treats cars as a part time job.

EVs are fully viable. Hyrbid is the oil industry's way of staying in the game. China is light years beyond us in EV. Companies like BYD and Nio are putting out cars that go farther and charge faster. BYD has a battery swap technology where you drive up and they swap out a new fully charged battery in 10 minutes. It's why Tesla and others are fighting to keep them out of the US.

Apple buys Tesla, the promptly splits into five companies- transportation, entertainment, hardware, software and music.

Honda had one of the best plug-in electric hybrids (the "Clarity") and yet... they discontinued it. Inexplicable. I have one that is six years old now, and I would love to replace it with a newer model, but there isn't one. I've looked around and none of the other plug-in electric hybrids even come close. This kind of hybrid is perfect for me. No range anxiety for longer trips where there's little charging infrastructure, but I can spend most of my time all-electric and not spend much on gas at all.

I don't get why Honda stopped making this amazing car.

Honda should have checked with you first, right r43?

@r41, " China is light years beyond us in EV. "

They have EV issues in China

I'll stick with my Stanley Steamer, thank you.

Teslas became too mainstream, lost their exclusivity as a result, and the quality control issues didn't help. Any idiot who can pay $500/mo can lease one. You can literally live in your Mom's basement and have one, which is common here in the Bay Area. Uber drivers use them regularly.

Musk's lunaticism aside, the product did itself in.

Our local strip mall has a row of charging stations, and as one poster noted above, it's full of Indians charging their Teslas. I mean that in the most deragotary, classist, but not racist way. Anyone who lives in the Bay Area knows what I mean. And it doesn't = luxury.

R44, it's a nearly perfect car... 45 miles all electric (easily handles a 20 mile roundtrip commute on a single charge), it's very comfortable, zero maintenance issues in six years, looks good, drives great, and it's priced right (it was $40k for this car, the top of the line model with all the bells and whistles).

I have no idea why it didn't sell better... obviously it's not great for apartment dwellers, but anyone with a garage where they can install a level 2 charging station like I did, it's a no-brainer. Better than a typical non-plug-in "hybrid", and better than most plug in hybrids (which can only do something like 10 or 20 miles all electric), and no range anxiety at all unlike all-electrics. It's a perfect transition vehicle while waiting for the charging grid to be built out.

It's easily the best car I've ever owned, and I spend less than $60 a YEAR on gasoline.

I'm thinking about a PHEV. (I could never go all-electric.) What do we think about the BMW x5?

[quote]Honda had one of the best plug-in electric hybrids (the "Clarity") and yet... they discontinued it.

I don’t think plug-in hybrids are really that appealing to most people. If you have to charge every night anyway, why not just go all-electric? And if you’re doing a lot of long-range trips, then a regular hybrid is probably the right answer. Plug-in hybrids make sense for some people, but I don’t think they have a wide appeal.

[quote]If you have to charge every night anyway, why not just go all-electric?

Because I can go on a long trip, even on a spur of the moment, without having to meticulously plan out how to recharge. And if I forget to charge overnight, who cares, I can just drive anyway because gas is the backup, and it's readily available everywhere. I don't understand why it's NOT more appealing to more people. It makes the most sense.

Why a PHEV? Because you can charge with a regular outlet, for one. It would cost me a bundle to upgrade my electrical panel to accommodate a 240 charger. And 95% of of my driving is within the range of a PHEV. (I'm retired and don't commute.)

Once you deplete the battery on a PHEV and you’re running on gas, the engine is less efficient than a regular hybrid would be. So if you’re not charging every night and running it all-electric…it defeats the point of even buying a PHEV. I just don’t see how it’s better than a Tesla or other EV.

[quote]Because I can go on a long trip, even on a spur of the moment, without having to meticulously plan out how to recharge.

But how many long trips are you really doing, if you said you spend less than $60 a year on gas?

If you can't see it, then you're just blind, R53. It's perfectly efficient, imho. I have a 7 gallon gas tank and on a full charge can drive over 350 miles no problem before I have to fill up at a gas station or recharge. You can also toggle between the modes to use the electric in stop-and-go traffic where electric is tons more efficient, and switch to gas on steady freeway speeds where a gas engine is most efficient.

R48, I think the Clarity was too early and hobbled by its looks (I happen to love its looks now). You'd have to chime in on how it was priced relative to the market.

I wouldn't mind one either, and I have no place to plug it in except 5 minutes away by foot at City Hall.

R54, the point you seem to be missing is completely eliminating the WORRY about it. ZERO range anxiety. If I had a full electric, I'd never EVER take long trips because I'd be constantly worried of running out of juice and not being able to find a place to charge, or having to sit there for HOURS while it recharges.

How do you not GET this?

Whether I actually went on a long trip last year (I didn't) is irrelevant to the point I COULD at ANY TIME (like I have in the past) and not have to worry about it or plan it out or make any effort at all.

R57, I've read that the Clarity averaged 40 mpg without the battery, so that's pretty amazing.

Back to Tesla, Musk will run the company into the ground with stupidity like the Cybertruck, lack of quality, and, above all, his alienating of those who are the buyers of his cars.

He needs to go.

Chevrolet had the volt, which was a hyrbid that used the gas engine to recharge the electric motor, so the car ran on electricity but was recharged by a small gas engine when the battery ran out. It could get about 50-60 miles on pure electric charge which was good for most commutes around town and would charge overnight. The Clarity came in three different versions - the hydrogen one, the ev that only got 90 miles range and the hybrid the poster is talking about. The Fiskar Karma was based of the Chevy Volt engine. Dodge has a ram truck coming out with a similar concept but using today's battery technology where they claim 700 miles range on a charge/full tank

It's clear Musk is a great "big idea" guy, and a terrible "sweat the details" kind of guy.

Unfortunately, sweating the details is what makes a product better than their competition. See: Toyota.

I'd say one thing that people tend to forget is that electric vehicles are not a mature technology yet. Some claim that it is just as dirty as ICE cars because of the energy-intensive manufacturing process.

This type of thinking excludes (deliberately?) the realization that the technology will mature at some point. The manufacturing process will be cleaner, batteries will become more capable, charge faster and will have longer range. And then their eco-footprint will be a lot better than today and compared to ICE vehicles. So just because an EV is not for you right now, it doesn't mean that it isn't for you forever.

And as new technology goes, it is never perfect right from the start. It needs its time to improve. Just think how many decades it took to get ICE engines to the level they are today.

[QUOTE] Chevrolet had the volt, which was a hyrbid that used the gas engine to recharge the electric motor, so the car ran on electricity but was recharged by a small gas engine when the battery ran out. It could get about 50-60 miles on pure electric charge which was good for most commutes around town and would charge overnight.

Isn’t this a PHEV?

Yeah, and really upset that GM canceled the Volt as well. A lot of people loved it. Used to see a lot of them around town.

I don't understand why they canceled the Volt and kept the Bolt... they should still have both, and be iterating and refining each of them.

[quote]Unfortunately, sweating the details is what makes a product better than their competition. See: Toyota.

Toyotas aren’t better than their competition. However, the company has built a loyal base of buyers over the years who won’t consider anything else.

[quote]If you can't see it, then you're just blind, [R53]. It's perfectly efficient, imho. I have a 7 gallon gas tank and on a full charge can drive over 350 miles no problem before I have to fill up at a gas station or recharge.

A Tesla Model 3 can go 350 miles before it needs to recharge too. Again, not seeing how a PHEV is any better.

[quote]Toyotas aren’t better than their competition.

Then tell us why they consistently get the highest satisfaction ratings — by buyers — of any brand. And then please explain why Toyota customers are so loyal if you can buy cheaper or even just other branded cars that are just as reliable, aesthetic and last as long.

We'll wait.

[quote]Then tell us why they consistently get the highest satisfaction ratings — by buyers — of any brand. And then please explain why Toyota customers are so loyal if you can buy cheaper or even just other branded cars that are just as reliable, aesthetic and last as long. We'll wait.

Comsumer Rpeorts says that BMW is the best car brand overall. They also rank Subaru and Honda higher than Toyota.

[quotes] Then tell us why they consistently get the highest satisfaction ratings

Because buyers have different expectations in brands. Toyotas are no frill. Their technology is never brand new or exciting but affordable and reliable. Toyota buyers are not the same as BMW or Ferrari. BMW buyers have different needs and expectations. High tech and excellent performance comes at a higher price point. And because the higher tech is newer it also tends to be less reliable.

Toyotas are beyond dependable. They can last 2 decades if given the chance with routine maintenance. Everything from the engine to the instrument is reliable.

Our Prius has gone two hundred thousand miles even after $13,000 worth of damage (a deer ran into the front end at 70 MPH) five years ago. Tons of almost 10-20 year old Priuses all over the roads still here in the Bay Area.

Teslas...

If Apple buys Tesla, maybe they can get Jony Ive out of retirement for some cutting edge design.

As GM's Harley Earl knew, style sells automobiles.

@r64, "Toyotas aren’t better than their competition"

Um, yes, yes they are. Toyota is consistently rated one of the best cars in the world

Hint, it's Lexus

[quote]A Tesla Model 3 can go 350 miles before it needs to recharge too. Again, not seeing how a PHEV is any better.

R65, are you exceedingly dense?

What happens at the end of that 350 miles?

Jesus christ, WTF is wrong with you that you cannot understand the concept of "RANGE ANXIETY", and that a Tesla induces that in its owners while something like a Clarity does NOT.

This is not rocket science. This is the simplest fucking thing in the world. When I was doing long distance driving through Texas (zero electric infrastructure at the time) when I got near the end of my 350 miles, I just stopped at any old gas station and was on my way fully able to go another 300 miles in just five minutes with no stress, no worry, no problem.

A Tesla in the same circumstance would be up shit creek without a paddle. You'd have to have pre-planned distances and organized your trip around charging stations.

Now pull your goddamned head out of your ass. If you can't see the difference, you're a blithering idiot.

[quote]Um, yes, yes they are. Toyota is consistently rated one of the best cars in the world. Hint, it's Lexus

Consumer Reports looks at all factors…including reliability, driving performance, customer satisfaction scores, and safety features. And they determined that BMW scores higher than Lexus, and Subaru and Honda score higher than Toyota.

[QUOTE]A Tesla Model 3 can go 350 miles before it needs to recharge too. Again, not seeing how a PHEV is any better.

Yeah, 350 miles with everything including the radio off. Turn on anything in that car and the range drops. They probably get about 250 miles realistically, and I’m sure the more you charge it the more it drops even further.

[quote][R65], are you exceedingly dense? What happens at the end of that 350 miles? Jesus christ, WTF is wrong with you that you cannot understand the concept of "RANGE ANXIETY", and that a Tesla induces that in its owners while something like a Clarity does NOT.

What happens at the end of that 350 miles? You plug it into a Supercharger and it charges to 80 percent in 25 minutes.

Maybe we should just accept that some of us don’t live with anxiety 24/7 and are fine with an EV. For the rest of you, there are plug-in hybrids.

We have friends with an EV and they love it. I’m happy for them. That being said, whenever they’re planning a long drive they rent a gas powered vehicle. Saves mileage on their personal vehicle and they avoid the hassle of planning their drive around available charging locations.

@r73, You're wrong and I linked an article @r71 from CR that says your wrong. It's Ok to be wrong, but you can't just keep insisting you're right when you're not. You sound like a Trumper

@r76, well that's kind of dumb, spend $50K on a car then have to rent one if you want to go further than the grocery store

[quote]@[R73], You're wrong and I linked an article @[R71] from CR that says your wrong. It's Ok to be wrong, but you can't just keep insisting you're right when you're not. You sound like a Trumper

You linked to an article that looks ONLY at reliability. Reliability doesn’t equal BEST. When Consumer Reports looked at all factors, including reliability, driving performance, customer satisfaction, and safety features…they determined that BMW was better OVERALL than Lexus, and Subaru and Honda were better OVERALL than Toyota. There’s nothing wrong with buying a car based strictly on reliability alone, but many people care about driving performance and other factors as well.

[quote]@[R76], well that's kind of dumb, spend $50K on a car then have to rent one if you want to go further than the grocery store

Plug-in hybrids are perfect for nervous people who develop “range-anxiety” if they have to travel “further than the grocery store.” For the rest of us, there are EVs and hybrids.

R71, I was just going to post what r79 said. That list was only reliability. Damn there/s my Mercedes near the bottom of the list.

@r79, So link me to an article supporting your point...

"Consumer Reports looks at all factors…including reliability, driving performance, customer satisfaction scores, and safety features. And they determined that BMW scores higher than Lexus, and Subaru and Honda score higher than Toyota. "

I'll wait 🤨

@r81, Because Mercedes is crap when it comes to reliability. I don't care how good it handles if it's sitting in the shop most of the time, it's crap

R82, the article you are requesting was already posted at R67.

So, R75, you ARE exceedingly dense. Or you think Super chargers are just everywhere. When they're not.

Maybe YOU should accept that not everyone lives in a location (or wants to travel to or through a location) that has great charging infrastructure. You incomprehensible fucking self-absorbed moron.

@r84, well, it's good to know that BMW is getting better. I hope they keep up the good work

Some employees didn’t realize they were laid off until they went to scan their badges at work

There should have been more shift to focus on hybrids. Hybrids make a lot more sense for many parts of the world, particularly colder climates. As for Tesla, dumping Musk might help, but I’m guessing a good majority of board members are firmly up his ass.

Very few people need a car or SUV that goes 100 miles in a day. Most urban drivers don't need more than that.

I hope my friend isn't out of a job. I'm longtime friends with someone who works on building Cybertrucks, predominantly the frame at Tesla Gigafactory. Was telling me that he makes a good deal of money on the usual UAW work schedule. Tesla sucks, their car sucks, but they tend to compensate well. Guess it's just an upside of being a past-his-prime billionaire's brainchild running this failing concept.

Cybertrucks suck, and the sooner they stop making them, the better.

More like cybersuck, amirite?

Agreed, R91.

The board is too busy making sure Elon gets his $56 billion back

R75, R85 girls, GIRLS!! You’re both being “EXCEEDINGLY” annoying. Tesla market cap was wildly overvalued and still is even with the drop. I think it’s got a lot further to fall yet.

Several co-workers and I placed deposits on Tesla 3s back in 2017.

Then Tesla removed free access to the Super Charger network for the Tesla 3s, then Tesla removed fully automated driving from the Tesla 3 as a standard option, then I got my deposit back and continued to drive my Prius C for several more years.

I JUST retired the 2012 Prius C and got a 2024 Prius Prime PHEV. PHEVs are where it's at.

EVs and PHEVs have the problem that charging them isn't always easy. If you have your own garage - great! You set up your own charger and you can charge every night, every week if it's an EV. But if you don't have your own infrastructure it's going to be difficult. People will not seek public charging every day for their PHEV. And apartment buildings usually don't offer these chargers. IMHO, this is what holds back further expansion. One family units are covered, apartments and condos are not.

PHEVs are much easier to adapt to for charging than EVs, which need 240V chargers.

Here's an idea. While laying off 10% of your workforce due to declining sales, lets re-instate an illegal $56 Billion (with a B) pay package for Musk.

I wonder are they getting saddled with bad debt by offering sub-prime loans? Where I live it's not the young professionals that are driving around in these cars.

r97 most new EVs come with 2-3 years free charging (non - tesla) to compensate for apartment dwellers or a free install of a l2 charger at home if you can get one. I had an l2 at home already from my previous EV so I opted for the free 2 years on Electrify America for my BMW I4. You get 30 minis of free charging - which will get my car from 10-80% but here is the trick. It is free 30 mins per session, not per day so you can charge for 30, unplug and plug back in for another 30 mins free. I get about 340 miles of range so I only charge once a week but that is free electricity for a year.

Tesla has gone straight down the shitter!!!

Into the shitter!

Musk has systematically destroyed the Tesla brand via what he's revealed about himself after purchasing Twitter which he has also systematically destroyed. He can't fix this because he IS this. People are getting sick to death of "billionaires" stomping around the planet.

Moral of the story: you can only be a gargantuan asshole for so long before everybody catches on and it causes massive damage.

[quote]reported this month that its global vehicle deliveries in the first quarter fell for the first time in nearly four years.

For any car manufacturer to go 4 years without a drop in sales is quite a feat.

Right now the Tesla model line-up looks really old. Instead of devoting so much money and effort into the Cybertruck they should have been updating their cars.

Way back when Rambler owned the compact car market their sales were booming, then everyone else came out with compacts and the company started to slide and eventually died. It sort of reminds me of the situation Tesla is in, they're no longer the only game in town.

[quote]Moral of the story: you can only be a gargantuan asshole for so long before everybody catches on and it causes massive damage.

This is also what's happening to J.Lo.

To R104, I agree with your post; he can't fix the problem because he is the problem! I met Elon 3 times thru work, never trusted him. I told my 2 bosses, "Never trust a Big Idea guy"

The Cybertruck’s failure is now complete

WTF was the "Druggie musk" on when he approved the design of the Cyber musk-truck!

Seriously, did the Tesla designers& engineers ask "real truckers" about the musk truck design& how it will work on the highway.

I laughed when I saw the design concepts years ago, my European boss (Italian Gg& his wife) were the 1st in the company to see the concepts...they laughed. I told my bosses, I know trucks& truckers, I cannot do a trucker or blow him in this truck. It's in the company record, they showed me the video meeting of these comments last week in NYC. No monies for Elon& Tesla.

My Cybertruck looks awesome!

[quote] The key demo for Tesla was high income eco-conscious lefties.

And the common herd never wanted these EVs Joe is forcing on America in the first place

That's not what the article says, R111.

R94

The new Prius is gorgeous.

Elon Musk: Tesla isn’t a car company

Grasp those straws, Elmo!

Laying off thousands at the new Austin factory.

Is there any business that Elon ISN'T running into the ground?

Like he grasped these straws ?

The cybertruck is so hilariously ugly. Who would have ever wanted to own it?

Status-seeking tools, r118

Agreed, Status-seeking tools just like all the other internal combustion haters

R120, I think you are projecting. Not all hybrid or EV drivers are "haters". First of all, "hate" is a pretty hyperbolic word in this context. So - choosing this word is not really helpful. Then, some EV owners couldn't care less about the environment. They just want the free left-lane ride on the freeway with a bumper sticker. Sure there are some smug EV and hybrid owners. But are they "all" like that?

I wish people were a bit more levelheaded and fact based in this discussion. And why does the discussion often have to become political? Some people reflexively reject EVs and hybrids because they consider it a demonic Democratic ploy. I am so sick of peoples' political feelings.

You have to admit, the "South Park" episode of Priuses, George Clooney at the Oscars, smugness was pretty awesome.

The quality issues of the Cybertruck ALONE are disqualifying. The things are falling apart and breaking down even as they're driven off the lot. Even if they DIDN'T look like laughable shit designed by a 3 year old who knew nothing about trucks, they're awful... expensive piles of shit that don't work.

I hate buying gas. It’s a contribution to greedy, climate change denying companies and despots. I want an EV but would never buy a Tesla because of Elon. I am. Toyota driver and have been looking at hybrids but I am worried about the catalytic converter thefts and that there is no real solution. Also you can’t order the exact car you want. You can make a request to the Toyota dealership and wait a few months to see what comes in. There is so mush demand they have been charging over msrp and have a take it or leave it attitude. I would love a BMW but they are so expensive.

The new 2024 Prius is quite the looker. I’ve never even thought about owning a Prius before but I wouldn’t mind having this one. I can see why Motor Trend gave it the COTY award.

With a hybrid, trips to the gas station can be few and far between. My mother has a hybrid and I gas it up for her probably every two months.

I see a shitload of Teslas around me, but they're all driven by Indian men who work in tech. You know the type. They always have the latest iPhone, a fridge with a television in the door, and a dog cloned from a WKC champion.

They're a cheesy status symbol for idiots who care more about branding than quality. And in my neck of the woods, the Indian diaspora fits that to a T.

Argument settled

Kelli is trinnee

Cybertruck good

R127 I rest my case about trash who value image over quality.

The stock jumped today on the news that they plan to manufacture a more affordable model starting next year.

Lost in this exuberance is whether a) there really is a lower-end market in this time when EVs are losing some of their luster; b) they can actually deliver a quality product by then (considering that, last we knew, they’d abandoned plans for such a car); and c) whether the Tesla design doesn’t fall out of favor, as they plan to use some interchangeable parts, so the design can’t evolve much.

The QUICKEST way to turn all this mess around is for Musk to partner with GM to buy this light post/EV charger combo company and offer to rig every city in America with them, and offer free or almost free charging through electric providers.

[QUOTE] The stock jumped today

The stock jumped cause Katy “bought” a Cybertruck

[quote]partner with GM

Tesla is bigger than GM, Ford, and Fiat Chrysler [italic]combined[/italic]. Why would they partner with a car manufacturer that can barely make a car anyone wants? Aside, of course, for their ability to manufacture cars that don't turn into bricks in the car wash.

Katy Perry is an irrelevant has-been who has no influence on the stock market.

I used to like Katy Perry. That's all gone now. And buying one of these stupid things is just the cherry on top of that.

Nobody cares what she does or doesn't buy.

Everybody wants an electric car. Thanks for imposing them Joe.

New York CNN —

Ford’s electric vehicle unit reported that losses soared in the first quarter to $1.3 billion, or $𝟏𝟑𝟐,𝟎𝟎𝟎 for each of the 10,000 vehicles it sold in the first three months of the year, helping to drag down earnings for the company overall.

R135 Ford never could manage their finances. Remember their bailout?

If Tesla were up for sale, I am thinking a Chinese competitor would be interested to get easier entry to the US- and European markets.

The bloom is off the rose with EVs and Tesla will be affected just as the other EV makers will be.

[quote]Ford’s electric vehicle unit reported that losses soared in the first quarter to $1.3 billion, or $𝟏𝟑𝟐,𝟎𝟎𝟎 for each of the 10,000 vehicles it sold in the first three months of the year, helping to drag down earnings for the company overall.

And that's why you have to consider what Tesla has achieved in the last 10 years is really quite amazing.

Whether they will be able to sustain their success is another story...

Fisker claims that they are in negotiations with four other manufacturers to be sold to one of them. Allegedly one of them is Nissan. Sounds strange to me. Does Fisker have anything valuable? I suppose if the price is right it could be a relative quick entry into the EV world.

Tesla's so full of shit-

R136, Ford was not bailed out. GM and Chrysler were; Chrysler twice.

Ford took $6 billion, R142.

Tesla also got a loan from the government:

GM and Chrysler paid back their money, too. Over a decade ago.

R143, perhaps we are both correct. They took out loans, but never declared bankruptcy. They were shrewd in how much they borrowed.

Tesla, GM and Ford need to partner and develop the charging infrastructure for apartment, condo, and city living drivers. They need to have easy access outlets in lightposts, yards, and open parking lots. These charging points need to be cheap, universal and everywhere.

This is an EV collar that would save several thousand dollars of installation fees instead of wiring the 240V hook onto an older circuit box. It should really come free with every new car and offered by local electric providers just like cable boxes from cable companies.

The possibility that using a timer and WiFi connection you could get the cheapest rates overnight AND utilities could make money as well as ease the flow and direct it to different parts of the grid as necessary should be of utmost priority both government and the car industry.,

This would be equivalent to paying $14 to fill a tank of gas.

So much winning.....

So much winning indeed.

"SpaceX is building a network of hundreds of spy satellites under a classified contract with a U.S. intelligence agency, five sources familiar with the program said, demonstrating deepening ties between billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk's space company and national security agencies."

How Much Money Will SpaceX Make in 2024?

Nasdaq.com:

"SpaceX revenue will pass $13.3 billion this year"

"According to data from S&P Global Market Intelligence, that's more money than defense contracting giant Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) generated from its space business last year, "

BTW: Starlink didn't even exist just four years ago,

Elon Musk....what a loser!

Elon Musk has demonstrated that he's a National Security risk (and being a foreign national and a billionaire narcissist, he has zero loyalty or fealty to this country). The US government should work to sever all ties to him and his businesses. Up to and including nationalizing StarLink and SpaceX.

I am just here for the Elon dick rider's comments. They are like caviar.

[quote]Elon Musk has demonstrated that he's a National Security risk (and being a foreign national and a billionaire narcissist, he has zero loyalty or fealty to this country). The US government should work to sever all ties to him and his businesses. Up to and including nationalizing StarLink and SpaceX.

The Biden administration feels differently.

The Washington Post May 1st 2024:

"Biden’s internet-for-all program needs Musk’s help"

"Officials say Starlink’s satellites will probably fill gaps in the Biden administration’s $42 billion push to hook every American home up to high-speed internet"

DEPORT ELON MUSK!

Elmo is the poster child for the Peter Principle.

[quote] SpaceX is building a network of hundreds of spy satellites under a classified contract with a U.S. intelligence agency

Too many for any possibility the Russians or Chinese could shoot down and blind US defense.

Elon Musk, American hero !

R156, look up Kessler Syndrome.

Yeah, what does loser Elon Musk know about anything!:

NYTimes April 29th 2024:

"Tesla Reaches Deals in China on Self-Driving Cars"

"Elon Musk met with the country’s premier, a longtime Tesla ally, and secured regulatory nods and a necessary partnership with a Chinese tech company."

"Mr. Musk flew on his private jet to Beijing on Sunday morning and met almost immediately with Premier Li Qiang, China’s No. 2 official after Xi Jinping. "

Reuters: "The leap in Tesla's stock added $90 billion to the company's market value, a major vote of confidence from Wall Street for the electric-vehicle maker as it struggles with soft demand and increased competition.

:

Another Tesla exec flees, this one waving his middle fingers

Now that Tesla is mainstream at BMW prices, the should be working to make the car actually sexy. Instead, they continue on with a decade old design that is tired. People would come back if the cars looked desirable instead of common.

[quote]Now that Tesla is mainstream at BMW prices, the should be working to make the car actually sexy.

Tesla has had to cut their prices. They now sell for $10 - $15k less than comparable BMWs.

I can't imagine anyone being dumb enough to buy one of these cars now. TERRIBLE quality. Stale design. The whole motivating factor of the super charger network is all but gone now, since Tesla just fired EVERYONE responsible for that service and all those stations. Why would you waste your money now?

I'm thinking of picking up a new Model 3 Performance, but I'm probably going to wait until Tesla change the battery.

r162 the SC network isn't actually going away though. Elon's full of shit always, but he's not that stupid. Firing them was just him throwing a tantrum because Tinucci didn't act quick enough for Elon's liking. In the mean time it's going to mean more crowded stations because of the inevitably slower rollout paired with the ever increasing number of Teslas on the road (and other EVs that can access the SC network*). And AFAIK the maintenance team is still intact so reliability should not suffer. If it does there will be hell to pay. Even the Muskrats won't be able to justify it.

*unknown at this point who else besides Ford and Rivian will gain access to the network because that WAS being handled by the department Elon binned.

Elon will quickly get bored with a company in decline. Look for him to resign if he can't get his pay package approved.

Tesla is Elon’s main source of power, R164. A megalomaniac like him would never surrender it.

BMW has had a dramatic drop in quality. I'm not sure that's the standard to measure against.

[quote]BMW has had a dramatic drop in quality. I'm not sure that's the standard to measure against.

No, they haven’t. Their quality has gone up. According to Consumer Reports, they’re now the best.

^ For all the talk here about quality, Consumer Reports rates Tesla on par with Ford. Better than Mercedes, Volvo, Nissan, Chevy, Volkswagen, Rivian,...

Tesla needs Apple more than Apple needs Tesla.

All the cum receptacles that could, did buy EVs. The rest don't see a value proposition for them yet. Resale, repairs, and recharging are profound issues to overcome.

^ My question is, what happens with all those junked batteries?

R168, you can be sure that those ratings don't include the Cybertruck.

R171, they get recycled.

Musk reverses on Supercharger team layoffs

Musk is chaotic.

Parking lots full of Tesla vehicles are becoming impossible to ignore as the electric automaker can’t sell enough cars and trucks to match its rate of production.

It produced 46,561 more vehicles than it delivered to customers in Jan.-Mar. 2024.

So clown show Elon Muck mouths off about what delicate 'woke" hot house flowers his "idiot" customers are, then bites the hands of California and the US Government for believing in him and offering tax incentives and to develop and sell his product line and calls it socialism, then wonders why he has lots full of unsold (and unwanted) inventory.

I haven't seen such business acumen since his buddy Donald J. Trump appeared on the scene.

Is Musk he really that fucking stupid?

I predicted this months ago.

R177 Elon is fine with welfare for corporation, just not for struggling individuals who actually need assistance to survive.

R175,R177- give the poor guy a break. You know he's in a K-hole whenever he opens up his mouth or makes a decision. Surely we mustn't hold him accountable!

Not so long ago they were unable to fulfill their orders.

Unsold EVs is an industry wide problem.

"Suppliers in South Korea, China grapple with unsold inventory"

"Ford Cuts Battery Orders as EV Losses Top $100,000 Per Car"

"The move is part a retrenchment of Ford’s EV strategy, which includes reducing spending by $12 billion on battery-powered models, delaying new EVs, cutting prices, and postponing and shrinking planned battery plants. Ford has forecast EV losses of up to $5.5 billion this year and Chief Executive Officer Jim Farley recently said its EV unit, Model e, “is the main drag on the whole company right now.”"

"G.M. Profits Hurt by Unsold Electric Vehicles "

Tesla’s board must be so far up Musk’s ass. Any other CEO would have been gone a long time ago.

[quote]Parking lots full of Tesla vehicles are becoming impossible to ignore as the electric automaker can’t sell enough cars and trucks to match its rate of production.

You hate to see it. Oh well.

Haven't heard much about the stupid hyperloop scam lately, have you?

Tesla still moves the needle for the entire industry when they make decisions about pricing. The current 1% financing until the end of the month would be very tempting and I expect companies like GM and VW to sit up and notice.

That said, like Apple they need to develop a robot to quickly recycle that can either quickly tear apart a car and/or a replacement strategy with insurers to “reassume” critically damaged Teslas and replace them with refurbished ones because the expensive repairs are bringing down the entire insurance industry.

They also need to work with private body repair companies to supply them quickly and easily, and again recycle usable electronics and parts.

Who would make a large dollar purchase from a company whose CEO has only contempt for its customers?

The only customers Tesla has left are douchebro incels who worship Elon for some reason.

They are going to have to figure out a solution to the flooding-extra hot fire issue.

Further to R190.

Watch out for those storm surges.

Loser Musk!

"Elon Musk traveled to Indonesia’s resort island of Bali on Sunday to launch Starlink satellite internet service in the world’s largest archipelago nation."

Elon comes out against tariffs on Chinese EVs

Lucid CEO says Tesla is losing its way as Elon is distracted

if i wasn't a broke bum i would short tesla hard and long. they're never going to figure manufacturing out. feel free to pay me for this great advice

Tesla's main problem is Elon. Most entrepreneurs eventually realize they have to let go for their company to morph/survive/grow. Elon hasn't figured that out yet. The question is whether the board will figure that out in time to save the company.

Elon isn't any kind of "entrepreneur". Nor is he any kind of "genius".

Stop mythologizing this asshole.

R197 I have basically been saying the same thing for about 10 years now. He did not create or design the electric car. He did not create or design the Space X spacecrafts and rockets. He did not create the boring machines. He bought significant shares and then manipulated himself into management. The engineers and designers were already there before him masterminding these products.

The only skill Elon has is bullshitting non-technical investors and billionaires.

At least many former entrepreneurs like Thomas Edison were actually creators and designers and inventors, before he hired other people who were also inventors to work for him and his company. Elon Musk did it the other way around. The only thing he created was his own special version of cringe.

He is the founder, chairman, CEO, and CTO of SpaceX.

Billions in contracts with the US and other governments.

CEO of Tesla. Tesla was making a tiny roadster that no one remembers, under Musk, the company developed the Model S and the charging station network and revolutionized electric cars.

Created Tesla Energy....the second largest providerf of solar power systems in the US.

Founder of The Boring Company and xAI

Co-founder of Neuralink.

Co-founder of OpenAI

Net worth around 200 Billion.

So cringy R200!

Now tell us about you and the things you've accomplished.

[quote]At least many former entrepreneurs like Thomas Edison were actually creators and designers and inventors, before he hired other people who were also inventors to work for him and his company. Elon Musk did it the other way around. The only thing he created was his own special version of cringe.

The NYTimes May 28th 2024:

"Elon Musk aggressively elbowed his way into the space launch business over the past two decades, combining engineering genius and an entrepreneurial drive with a demand that the U.S. government stop favoring the big, slow-moving contractors that had long dominated the industry."

"Today, it is Mr. Musk who is dominant. His company, SpaceX, is the primary provider of launch services to NASA and to the Pentagon. His rockets carry far more commercial satellites into orbit than anyone else’s, including those for his own Starlink communications network. He has set new standards for reaching space cheaply and reliably."

Note: "engineering genius and an entrepreneurial drive"

R202 The NYT doesn’t directly refer to him as an engineering genius (he’s not), but of his ability to “combine” engineering genius (the teams of designers and engineers who work below him) with entrepreneurial drive (which he had before becoming obsessed with the right wing culture wars.)

"Today, it is Mr. Musk who is dominant. His company, SpaceX, is the primary provider of launch services to NASA and to the Pentagon. "

As if pocketing billions of taxpayer dollars through tax credits that subsidize the sale of his shitmobiles and all the tax subsidies he's received from the state of California weren't enough, this huge welfare queen has been and continues sucking at the government teat with SpaceX.

Whatever happened to private enterprise, welfare chiseler?

Such a loser!

[quote]this huge welfare queen has been and continues sucking at the government teat with SpaceX.

Oh I see, the US government is a fool.

It gets nothing in return for the billions they pay?

Do you realize how stupid you sound?

[quote]Oh I see, the US government is a fool. It gets nothing in return for the billions they pay?

The U.S government. wasting billions of dollars lining the pockets of defense contractors? Unheard of!

R206, the Us DOD budget is the biggest, blackest fiscal hole this side of Russia. No bid contracts, cost overruns and cost plus contracts are the biggest grifts defense contractors use to fleece taxpayers.

And if you think Elon Musk isn't part of the grift and con, you really are one giant asshole, even bigger than King Asshole, Elon Musk.

R208 The pentagon needs his rockets and his satellites. If there were viable alternatives available it would be a different story.

What alternatives are there? Do tell us.

NYTimes:

"NASA is also working with Mr. Musk, in separate contracts collectively worth at least $4 billion, to land two sets of its astronauts on the moon with SpaceX’s new Starship rocket, bringing humans back to the lunar surface for the first time in more than 50 years."

"SpaceX is also the primary way the United States supplies the International Space Station and new crews."

"During the second quarter of this year, SpaceX alone sent nearly 80 percent of world’s payload by mass into space, according to an analysis by one industry consultant, Bryce Tech."

"That 472,000 pounds of cargo carried by SpaceX in that time is more than five times as much as Russia and China collectively lifted off Earth into orbit and nearly 40 times as much as the closest competitor in the United States, United Launch Alliance."

"Mr. Musk, Pentagon officials said, has brought real benefit to the Defense Department and the commercial space industry worldwide."

“They did pretty dramatically lower our cost to orbit,” Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall said in an interview with The Times last month."

Note: “They did pretty dramatically lower our cost to orbit"

Wasting billions of dollars?

"CBS's Brennan To Buttigieg: How Is It Possible That $7.5 Billion Investment Has Only Produced "7 Or 8" EV Charging Stations So Far?"

7.5 BILLION since 2021....and how many charging stations have been built?? 7or 8.

And how many charging stations as Tesla built? In the US: 2,128 . Globally: more than 57,000.

Listen to this smarmy little weasel:

R201 is that special kind of gullible stupid. Talk about cringe, that whole fawning post is beyond cringe.

Stop gargling Elon's balls in public like that. It's unseemly.

For R211 posting facts is fawning.

That's his level of stupidity.

R212, wow. You really are deep down the rabbit hole, aren't you.

Elon Musk doesn't love you back, hun.

See what 213 does? That's what you do when you can't refute anything, when you have no argument.

^ R213

R209 seems to think cutting and pasting articles from the totally bullshit NYT (let's go to a diner in the middle of Bumfucke, Ohio and interview it's toothless, methed out patrons to understand how real Americans think and feel) makes Elon an honest man instead of the chronic, pathological liar/con artist grifter he really is, just like his buddy, Donald Trump.

R216

The NYTimes article is quotes ( Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall) and facts and figures.

What in the article is false?

Please let us know.

Don't worry about the vocal anti-Elon faction. They're black and white thinkers. They believe because he's an amoral jackass, he didn't really accomplish anything,. They don't think it's possible for him to both be a whiz and a raging egomaniac

R218 Exactly. Black & white thinkers, binary thinkers, unable to comprehend that two things can be true at once.

In my posts I never disagreed with the fact that Elon Musk is a number one asshole.

But that does not negate the fact that he's also a brilliant visionary entrepreneur.

If you don’t think Thomas Edison was an asshole, just ask Nicola Tesla. Wait, you can’t. You’ll just have to trust me on this one.

Say what you will about this “super-genius”, I just can’t unsee what’s lurking under the hair plugs and steroid skin suit:

He did not create Paypal.

He did not design the boring machines for The Boring Company.

He was not among the engineering or creative teams that designed Tesla electric vehicles.

He is not among the aerospace engineering scientists that designed the ships for SpaceX.

So many people have fanboy idolatry of Elon Musk as if he is a innovative genius. Stop that shit, it's embarrassing. His smarts involves knowing when to buy into innovative projects just as they are about to take off, tap their talents, and make it about himself.

R22 I’m no Elon fan particularly with his wacko behaviour lately, but like it or not, he has smarts. He has turned Tesla into one of the most valuable companies in the world. Being able to design a Tesla vehicle <> making Tesla a valuable company. Whether he can continue to keep it a valuable company is a different question.

Also, he may not be the only engineer on SpaceX vehicles, but he's definitely been closely involved in the process. R222 you're on shakier ground with your claim that he isn't among the aerospace engineers. Does your hatred for Musk really blind you that much?

[quote]He has turned Tesla into one of the most valuable companies in the world…

…by lying about the company’s value and sending its stock prices soaring.

He didn't design anything himself, lol

R218, the people kissing his ass are black and white thinkers. Imagine defending a racist Trump shill who spreads lies and conspiracy theories online and thinking you're one of the good guys

R227 lacks intellect.

As for: "He has turned Tesla into one of the most valuable companies in the world…by lying about the company’s value and sending its stock prices soaring.

Uh... the fact is, last year the Model Y was the best selling car in the world.

It is the most popular electric car of all time.

[quote]He didn't design anything himself, lol

Who has claimed that he has?

Even if it's true he didn't design anything himself, so what? Nobody's claiming he's Tom Swift.

He's not a whiz. He's not a genius. He's a fraud and a grifter. A racist narcissistic sociopath with a raging ego whose only real skill is bullshitting investors and talking his way into CEO level positions. He is deeply, even criminally corrupt. His decisions have spelled doom for most of his companies, most of which operate deeply unethically.

I cannot fathom the people in this thread trying to polish this turd, who still fall for the lies & mythologies about him that have long since been disproven and debunked, who refuse to see his childish arrested adolescent actions and temperament that prove he is completely unfit for being ANYONE'S boss. Never mind how his companies end up being exposed as cesspools of racism, and worker abuse.

R226, that's not fair! He designed the Cyber Truck himself!

Word is that insurance companies are now refusing to insure Cyber Trucks and are canceling people's policies if they own one.

No, the Cyber Truck was designed by little @x0l0tl in crayon and the prototype built from scrap metal Elon found on the side of the road.

[quote]His decisions have spelled doom for most of his companies

What?

Even with Tesla's drop in sales , the Y will most likely once again be the world's best selling car for 2024 as it was last year.

His other companies are booming. SpaceX and Starlink especially.

[quote]He's not a whiz. He's not a genius. He's a fraud and a grifter.

Oh my! You really need to send your message to the Biden administration and to the Pentagon! Obviously you know something they don't! Hurry!

"SpaceX is building a network of hundreds of spy satellites under a classified contract with a U.S. intelligence agency, five sources familiar with the program said, demonstrating deepening ties between billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk's space company and national security agencies."

[quote]Uh... the fact is, last year the Model Y was the best selling car in the world.

This reminds me of how, during the gas crisis, the best-selling car of 1974 was the Ford Pinto, with its innovative gas tank design. Sales really exploded!

Consumer Reports "Best Cars of the Year: 10 Top Picks of 2024"

"The cars, SUVs, and trucks that shine brightest in CR's tests"

The only American made vehicle on the list is the Tesla Model Y.

R236 But did Consumer reports try driving it through a puddle?

R234, yeah, Elon represents a huge security risk to this country. Trump is too.

So now that other cars are entering the "self-driving" and/or electric market for less, how long until we think this asshat will be dethroned?

My Nissan Rogue does a semi-good job of self driving, but you do have to have your hands on the wheel for the most part. It's adaptive cruise control has been a wonder for me, coming into the newish car feature markets from a 2005 Honda Accord.

However, I've driven with my friend with her Tesla since 2018 and while it has bells and whistles, it does jerk us over in lane and isn't so "smart" as it advertises itself to be. It's camera info is great though. The price she paid for with the smart info on the roads/speed etc. has been downgraded from what it used to be, according to her.

I do wish i had self parking.

Hertz is nearly going bankrupt after having bet on Teslas. Nobody wants to rent them now, and they can't off load them. They're taking a HUGE loss, and ultimately will have no Teslas in their fleet at all (by the end of the year they say).

Sales have plummeted, and unsold Teslas are filling parking lots.

And the Cyber Truck is there to be the anchor around the company's neck. They absolutely suck, they're uninsurable, and extremely expensive not just to buy but to try and fix and to own, and it can't actually do anything a Truck is supposed to be able to do.

Quality is crap, and Elon keeps insulting the biggest potential group of customers for his products. He's a fucking MORON who is literally dragging that company down into the muck and eventual irrelevance. The company once had SO MUCH POTENTIAL, but now? I don't see much of a future for it. No new models in years, all the existing models are stale, the one new model (Cyber Truck) was years late to market and has been a complete disaster.

Full Self Driving was always a lie, and people are starting to wise up and shy away from the entire brand. The BEST thing the company could do is jettison Elon Musk completely.

Never mind the shit he's done to Twitter, utterly trashing that service from the moment he bought it.

I see Tesla electric trucks on the st reet everyday. Their demise is exaggerated.

Top shareholder proxy firm recommends a vote against reinstating Musk’s $56 billion pay package

[quote]Their demise is exaggerated.

It's a big world.

[quote]I see Tesla electric trucks on the st reet everyday.

I've yet to see one in the wild here in N. Texas.

Elon lobbying for the pay package on Twitter

Elon is a piece of shit Megalomaniac who's about to lose Tesla, or they're about to lose him.

A part of me is laughing at how thus drug-addled troll boy has bamboozled Tesla’s customers and shareholders, but it’s scary how powerful his social media influence is. He could be the next Murdoch, a propaganda machine that reshapes and weaponizes right-wing ideology, constantly creating scapegoats in the culture wars to benefit himself and his billionaire cronies. He’s a clown, but so is Pennywise. 🤡

Hahahaha…

^ Porshe and Ferrari have no-resell policies too. GM has restrictions on the Corvette also. The owner signed a contract. If the truck doesn't fit in his garage, he needs to buy a new tape-measure. BTW: the Tesla is actually shorter than a Ford 150.

Be that as it may, the Cybertruck will probably wind up as Tesla's Edsel. I wouldn't be surprised if production is shut down within the year,

[quote]If the truck doesn't fit in his garage, he needs to buy a new tape-measure.

When he bought the Cyber Truck, it fit in the parking space of his residence, but he had to move to an apartment after he and his wife split. He owns several Teslas, so I guess he has no $ left for a place with a bigger parking space. Typical IQ of a Cyber Truck owner. Sad!

^ It might wind up being a good investment. Our era's Delorean.

[QUOTE]Porshe and Ferrari have no-resell policies too. GM has restrictions on the Corvette also.

Why? This sounds ridiculous. You're stuck with the car with no options for offloading it?

Ford has a 2-year ownership policy for the GT, which I guess works for the douches in that space

[quote]Why? This sounds ridiculous. You're stuck with the car with no options for offloading it?

Yep

"15 Ferrari Rules That Owners Must Follow"

Ruh-Row.

Trouble in Spazzimodo paradise

[QUOTE]Hertz is nearly going bankrupt after having bet on Teslas. Nobody wants to rent them now, and they can't off load them. They're taking a HUGE loss

The CEO lost his job over this. There was a lack of foresight on their part about people's "range anxiety" and renting an EV in an unfamiliar place and perhaps having to go out of the way to charge. You can't swing a stick without hitting a gas station.

Another thing that factored in the loss was that Musk cut the price of that Tesla model by $35K shortly after the Hertz purchase. Why buy used?

That Cybertruck is fucking hideous. Who would want to be seen in that?

R249 thoughts & prayers!

[quote]Who would want to be seen in that?

Believe it or not, it is already the second biggest selling electric truck in the US.

How long that will hold out, who knows. Reviews have not been great.

[quote]Since production began in November, Tesla has delivered about 3,800 Cybertruck models.

And every single one was recalled because the accelerator pedals are at risk of getting stuck due to a special soap used by the technicians who installed them.

They rust when you wash them in the sun, take them through a car wash, or leave them in the rain, so yeah... a Cybertruck is never going to be a 'good investment'.

Half of them are breaking within a dozen miles of driving off the lot. The quality is shit.

This is a disaster that threatens to destroy Tesla every bit as much as Elon and his antics.

[quote]And every single one was recalled because the accelerator pedals are at risk of getting stuck due to a special soap used by the technicians who installed them.

Ford has had a ton of recalls with the F-150 Lightning. Far worse than the Cybertruck.

The entire first production of 3,600 trucks were recalled.

There have been recalls for the electrical system: "Electrical arcing increases the risk of a fire. In addition, a loss of drive power may occur, which can increase the risk of a crash."

Recalls for he electronic stability control:"Failure to reset the ESC to active may result in the driver unknowingly operating the vehicle without electronic stability control, increasing the risk of a crash."

"Ford F-150 Lightning Could Get Stuck In Off-Road Mode Leading To Recall"

"Ford F-150 Lightning Recalled Over Heater Module"

"Ford Recalls 2023 F-150 Lightning Over Fire Risk from Faulty Battery Connection"

It's crazy. The list goes on.

The real problems with the Cybertruck are some serious design flaws. The delicate steel finish, the problems with visibility.

[quote]They rust when you wash them in the sun, take them through a car wash, or leave them in the rain, so yeah... a Cybertruck is never going to be a 'good investment'.

It’s sounds really high maintenance, more like a gremlin than a truck. “Don’t charge it after midnight!”

NYTimes June 13, 2024:

"Tesla Shareholders Approve Big Stock Package for Musk"

"The vote was seen as a referendum on his management of the electric car maker and on the limits of executive pay."

If I owned Tesla stock, I'd be fuming.

Where the cybertruck is concerned, I have to give him credit for selling zero-emission vehicles to the same assholes who think "rolling coal" is a funny way to "own the libs." A consummate con.

All the morons and idiots that wanted an EV got theirs'. Nobody else wants one. That's why so many are on lots for over 13 months. In Thailand, the Chinese EVs are stuck at the docks as no dealerships want them.

Right now, people are realizing that there is no used EV market and that EVs will not be used as trade-ins.

suckeres, all of them.

They're still wildly popular among the Indian tech bros in my city. You can SMELL the trashy cologne before you even see the car silently purring up to a red light.

I finally saw the truck on the road. It was like seeing the Loch Ness Monster. Not attractive at all.

Profit down 45%

^^why Elmo decided he really didn’t want to donate $45 million a month to Dump.

My vet is the shareholders told him they’d vote him and his bitch board out for tanking the stock price even more.

He’s a bigoted fool.

R224

To be an aerospace engineer requires - at a minimum - a bachelor of science degree, which includes courses such as flight dynamics and fluid mechanics.

I dated an AE undergrad at UT Austin for six years and I’m still close friends with an AE PhD from UT so I know a lot about what they study and what they do and there is no way in hell that Elon Musk is an aerospace engineer.

Elon is an Aerospace Engineer like Melania is an Architect.

[quote]"Tesla Shareholders Approve Big Stock Package for Musk"

That's what I dont get, with all the layoffs, drop in sales with no new indicators that the decline in that brand will turn around, why did they approve it?

Kickbacks. SEC should be watching them closely.