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Turmoil at Tesla

[QUOTE]Drew Baglino, a top VP who played a key role in the company’s rise, has resigned. Tesla is also laying off 14,000 workers due to declining sales. As investors question Elon Musk’s focus, its share price has lost one-third of its value.

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by Anonymousreply 193May 24, 2024 11:37 PM

[quote]Tesla is also laying off 14,000 workers due to declining sales.

Holy shit, that's a lot of workers.

[quote]its share price has lost one-third of its value.

And still way, way overvalued.

by Anonymousreply 1April 15, 2024 4:18 PM

The key demo for Tesla was high income eco-conscious lefties. What lefty wants to buy or be seen in a Tesla now that comrade Musk has revealed himself as a right winger? I live in a purple area of a red state and I hardly ever see a Tesla of late when they were once more numerous. I presume the lefties got rid of theirs and the righties are all driving trucks.

by Anonymousreply 2April 15, 2024 4:54 PM

Couldn't have happened to a bigger, fucking rancid, putrid cunt.

by Anonymousreply 3April 15, 2024 5:30 PM

It was status at one point to own a Tesla. My techie 20-something neighbor paid $75,000 cash, for his— at the urging of his status-conscious wife.

by Anonymousreply 4April 15, 2024 5:38 PM

Glad I sold my stock

by Anonymousreply 5April 15, 2024 5:46 PM

When will the Tesla Board realize that Elon Musk is their biggest problem, and that they'd do a lot better if they completely ousted him. And part of that is admitting the cybertruck was a horrible mistake, and just cancel that thing.

And yeah, Teslas went from being a status symbol to an albatross. Many are selling theirs because they don't want to be associated with Elon Musk in any way. Also? The reality of the fact that the quality control is TERRIBLE has really tarnished the brand above and beyond Musk (though it must be said, Musk is the root cause for the quality issues).

It's time for the Tesla board to fire Elon Trump. Unfortunately, they won't, because Elon Musk stacked the board with acolytes and sycophants.

by Anonymousreply 6April 15, 2024 5:46 PM

Teslas are actually now kind of a good deal. The Model 3 was just recently updated and has been getting very good reviews, and the prices have been lowered significantly. The Supercharger network is superior to any of the competition.

by Anonymousreply 7April 15, 2024 5:46 PM

I am shocked (shocked!) that the world's most-overvalued company is dropping in worth faster than you can say "Elmo is an idiot".

by Anonymousreply 8April 15, 2024 5:51 PM

Tesla was supposed to open a dealership in my city years ago but it fizzled out.

They are fascinating cars but if you have Corolla money and don’t think much of Elon, why bother.

by Anonymousreply 9April 15, 2024 6:57 PM

DON'T GO WOKE GO BROKE!

by Anonymousreply 10April 15, 2024 6:58 PM

Come on Tim Cook, swoop in and buy Tesla for cheap.

Make the brand the "must have" car again as only Apple can do!

by Anonymousreply 11April 15, 2024 7:01 PM

NOOOO! APPLE CAN NEVER OWN TESLA! GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP.

by Anonymousreply 12April 15, 2024 7:06 PM

Elon Musk is a fascist dick and the only people who would buy a car from a fascist dick are people who think EVs are woke... lose/lose 😛

by Anonymousreply 13April 15, 2024 7:07 PM

Then there was this piece of marketing genius, get people to buy a $100,000 truck by showing them how easy it is to vandalize 🙄

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by Anonymousreply 14April 15, 2024 7:32 PM

R11, supposedly Musk offered to sell years back. But, love your idea for now.

by Anonymousreply 15April 15, 2024 7:34 PM

Tesla has too much technological know-how and advanced production techniques to just die. It'll merge with some other company. I could imagine it merging with Stellantis or most likely a Chinese company.

Sales are down for all American EVs. If any car companies are going to die soon, it'll be Rivian and Lucid before Tesla.

by Anonymousreply 16April 15, 2024 7:46 PM

^ EVs came on too fast and people are resisting and until the charging network is more complete you'll never get people who live in apartments to buy them

by Anonymousreply 17April 15, 2024 7:50 PM

[quote]EVs came on too fast and people are resisting and until the charging network is more complete you'll never get people who live in apartments to buy them

Ya think?

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by Anonymousreply 18April 15, 2024 8:07 PM

^ There you go and even with a more complete network it's still a hassle for people in apartments/urban areas to get charged, because even with charges on every corner there is still that long wait. EVs are great for people in suburban areas who have a garage and can just plug-in at the end of the day

by Anonymousreply 19April 15, 2024 8:18 PM

Fisker is going to go broke first, R16. Not that Rivian or Lucid are doing that well... but yeah, Tesla will be bought and merged into one of the real car companies, probably at an inflated price that will net Elmo $billions. Maybe he'll buy Truth Salad and run that into the ground, too.

by Anonymousreply 20April 15, 2024 8:53 PM

What should happen to Tesla is that a competitor like BMW should buy it out, take all the technology, and bury the name in a trash heap.

by Anonymousreply 21April 15, 2024 9:07 PM

"I could imagine it merging with Stellantis."

If Stellantis does to Tesla what it is currently doing to Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep and Ram you can kiss it goodbye within 5 years of purchase.

Other than some vague promise of future EVs, Stellantis hasn't introduced a single new vehicle, EV or ICE, since it purchased Fiat Chrysler. But has laid of hundreds and hundreds of Chrysler employees while discontinuing the Chrysler 300, the Dodge Charger and Challenger, and the Jeep Renegade and Cherokee. Meanwhile Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealers have by far the highest inventory of unsold cars on their lots than any other brand and can't give them away.

by Anonymousreply 22April 15, 2024 9:10 PM

[quote] Maybe he'll buy Truth Salad and run that into the ground, too.

I think current management will beat him to it.

by Anonymousreply 23April 15, 2024 9:13 PM

r21 BMW does not need to. I had a Tesla, have a BMW i4 now. It is light years better of a car and gets just as good of range

by Anonymousreply 24April 15, 2024 10:53 PM

Where I live, Teslas are the car of choice for ride share drivers who get some kind of monthly rental deal on them.

by Anonymousreply 25April 15, 2024 11:09 PM

[QUOTE] BMW does not need to. I had a Tesla, have a BMW i4 now. It is light years better of a car and gets just as good of range

Yes, much of their decline is due to the fact that competitors are just flat out making better and sexier cars than them. Who wants a Tesla when you can have an electric BMW or Benz?

by Anonymousreply 26April 15, 2024 11:11 PM

r26 not just that but QC. Teslas have huge quality control issues. Panel gaps, sub par build materials. Repairs take months for simple things.

by Anonymousreply 27April 15, 2024 11:34 PM

[quote]Stellantis hasn't introduced a single new vehicle, EV or ICE, since it purchased Fiat Chrysler.

You don't know what you are talking about.

It has introduced several new vehicles. In Europe.

Stellantis is doing very well in Europe. It's the 4th largest car company in the world in sales. Bigger than GM. Bigger than Ford.

It has now even surpassed Tesla for EV sales there.

Tesla makes their European cars in Germany in a new state-of-the-art factory.

I sure could imagine a merger between Stellantis and Tesla.

by Anonymousreply 28April 16, 2024 12:04 AM

Ellen is focused? More like she throws span at the wall and treats others as “human capital”.

by Anonymousreply 29April 16, 2024 12:14 AM

Spahgetti* not span

by Anonymousreply 30April 16, 2024 12:14 AM

[quote]Yes, much of their decline is due to the fact that competitors are just flat out making better and sexier cars than them. Who wants a Tesla when you can have an electric BMW or Benz?

That’s why Tesla has had to drastically cut their prices. A base Model 3 now starts at $39k, while a base BMW i4 starts at $52.

by Anonymousreply 31April 16, 2024 12:14 AM

[quote]Teslas have huge quality control issues. Panel gaps, sub par build materials. Repairs take months for simple things.

BMW and Mercedes also have far superior dealership networks and offer a better ownership experience. What Tesla has is their superior charging infrastructure.

by Anonymousreply 32April 16, 2024 12:16 AM

The Tesla factory in Germany

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by Anonymousreply 33April 16, 2024 12:54 AM

r32 and most every EV will use it in 2025.

by Anonymousreply 34April 16, 2024 2:16 AM

Stock is down 60%

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by Anonymousreply 35April 16, 2024 11:57 AM

^ Gee...

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by Anonymousreply 36April 16, 2024 12:13 PM

Cybertruck sales halted due to “unintended acceleration” issues

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by Anonymousreply 37April 16, 2024 3:02 PM

Wow, R37. That's build quality for you. What, did they show this design to Elmo when he was injecting or smoking K?

by Anonymousreply 38April 16, 2024 3:06 PM

With luxury brands finally waking up to the fact that diving head first into EVs was stupid and now committing to building hybrids, Tesla will be in even more trouble. I would never buy an EV. I already have enough anxiety in my life without adding “charging anxiety. I will, however, buy a hybrid if it’s a vehicle I like.

by Anonymousreply 39April 16, 2024 3:14 PM

Yeah I’m shocked by Tesla’s anti-hybrid stance. They’re leaving money on the table. More Americans are comfortable with hybrids, it’s obvious.

Tesla is run by somebody who treats cars as a part time job.

by Anonymousreply 40April 16, 2024 3:45 PM

EVs are fully viable. Hyrbid is the oil industry's way of staying in the game. China is light years beyond us in EV. Companies like BYD and Nio are putting out cars that go farther and charge faster. BYD has a battery swap technology where you drive up and they swap out a new fully charged battery in 10 minutes. It's why Tesla and others are fighting to keep them out of the US.

by Anonymousreply 41April 16, 2024 4:12 PM

Apple buys Tesla, the promptly splits into five companies- transportation, entertainment, hardware, software and music.

by Anonymousreply 42April 16, 2024 4:12 PM

Honda had one of the best plug-in electric hybrids (the "Clarity") and yet... they discontinued it. Inexplicable. I have one that is six years old now, and I would love to replace it with a newer model, but there isn't one. I've looked around and none of the other plug-in electric hybrids even come close. This kind of hybrid is perfect for me. No range anxiety for longer trips where there's little charging infrastructure, but I can spend most of my time all-electric and not spend much on gas at all.

I don't get why Honda stopped making this amazing car.

by Anonymousreply 43April 16, 2024 4:17 PM

Honda should have checked with you first, right r43?

by Anonymousreply 44April 16, 2024 4:20 PM

@r41, " China is light years beyond us in EV. "

They have EV issues in China

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by Anonymousreply 45April 16, 2024 4:21 PM

I'll stick with my Stanley Steamer, thank you.

by Anonymousreply 46April 16, 2024 4:24 PM

Teslas became too mainstream, lost their exclusivity as a result, and the quality control issues didn't help. Any idiot who can pay $500/mo can lease one. You can literally live in your Mom's basement and have one, which is common here in the Bay Area. Uber drivers use them regularly.

Musk's lunaticism aside, the product did itself in.

Our local strip mall has a row of charging stations, and as one poster noted above, it's full of Indians charging their Teslas. I mean that in the most deragotary, classist, but not racist way. Anyone who lives in the Bay Area knows what I mean. And it doesn't = luxury.

by Anonymousreply 47April 16, 2024 4:26 PM

R44, it's a nearly perfect car... 45 miles all electric (easily handles a 20 mile roundtrip commute on a single charge), it's very comfortable, zero maintenance issues in six years, looks good, drives great, and it's priced right (it was $40k for this car, the top of the line model with all the bells and whistles).

I have no idea why it didn't sell better... obviously it's not great for apartment dwellers, but anyone with a garage where they can install a level 2 charging station like I did, it's a no-brainer. Better than a typical non-plug-in "hybrid", and better than most plug in hybrids (which can only do something like 10 or 20 miles all electric), and no range anxiety at all unlike all-electrics. It's a perfect transition vehicle while waiting for the charging grid to be built out.

It's easily the best car I've ever owned, and I spend less than $60 a YEAR on gasoline.

by Anonymousreply 48April 16, 2024 4:26 PM

I'm thinking about a PHEV. (I could never go all-electric.) What do we think about the BMW x5?

by Anonymousreply 49April 16, 2024 4:27 PM

[quote]Honda had one of the best plug-in electric hybrids (the "Clarity") and yet... they discontinued it.

I don’t think plug-in hybrids are really that appealing to most people. If you have to charge every night anyway, why not just go all-electric? And if you’re doing a lot of long-range trips, then a regular hybrid is probably the right answer. Plug-in hybrids make sense for some people, but I don’t think they have a wide appeal.

by Anonymousreply 50April 16, 2024 5:18 PM

[quote]If you have to charge every night anyway, why not just go all-electric?

Because I can go on a long trip, even on a spur of the moment, without having to meticulously plan out how to recharge. And if I forget to charge overnight, who cares, I can just drive anyway because gas is the backup, and it's readily available everywhere. I don't understand why it's NOT more appealing to more people. It makes the most sense.

by Anonymousreply 51April 16, 2024 5:21 PM

Why a PHEV? Because you can charge with a regular outlet, for one. It would cost me a bundle to upgrade my electrical panel to accommodate a 240 charger. And 95% of of my driving is within the range of a PHEV. (I'm retired and don't commute.)

by Anonymousreply 52April 16, 2024 5:22 PM

Once you deplete the battery on a PHEV and you’re running on gas, the engine is less efficient than a regular hybrid would be. So if you’re not charging every night and running it all-electric…it defeats the point of even buying a PHEV. I just don’t see how it’s better than a Tesla or other EV.

by Anonymousreply 53April 16, 2024 5:24 PM

[quote]Because I can go on a long trip, even on a spur of the moment, without having to meticulously plan out how to recharge.

But how many long trips are you really doing, if you said you spend less than $60 a year on gas?

by Anonymousreply 54April 16, 2024 5:27 PM

If you can't see it, then you're just blind, R53. It's perfectly efficient, imho. I have a 7 gallon gas tank and on a full charge can drive over 350 miles no problem before I have to fill up at a gas station or recharge. You can also toggle between the modes to use the electric in stop-and-go traffic where electric is tons more efficient, and switch to gas on steady freeway speeds where a gas engine is most efficient.

by Anonymousreply 55April 16, 2024 5:37 PM

R48, I think the Clarity was too early and hobbled by its looks (I happen to love its looks now). You'd have to chime in on how it was priced relative to the market.

I wouldn't mind one either, and I have no place to plug it in except 5 minutes away by foot at City Hall.

by Anonymousreply 56April 16, 2024 5:38 PM

R54, the point you seem to be missing is completely eliminating the WORRY about it. ZERO range anxiety. If I had a full electric, I'd never EVER take long trips because I'd be constantly worried of running out of juice and not being able to find a place to charge, or having to sit there for HOURS while it recharges.

How do you not GET this?

Whether I actually went on a long trip last year (I didn't) is irrelevant to the point I COULD at ANY TIME (like I have in the past) and not have to worry about it or plan it out or make any effort at all.

by Anonymousreply 57April 16, 2024 5:39 PM

R57, I've read that the Clarity averaged 40 mpg without the battery, so that's pretty amazing.

Back to Tesla, Musk will run the company into the ground with stupidity like the Cybertruck, lack of quality, and, above all, his alienating of those who are the buyers of his cars.

He needs to go.

by Anonymousreply 58April 16, 2024 5:41 PM

Chevrolet had the volt, which was a hyrbid that used the gas engine to recharge the electric motor, so the car ran on electricity but was recharged by a small gas engine when the battery ran out. It could get about 50-60 miles on pure electric charge which was good for most commutes around town and would charge overnight. The Clarity came in three different versions - the hydrogen one, the ev that only got 90 miles range and the hybrid the poster is talking about. The Fiskar Karma was based of the Chevy Volt engine. Dodge has a ram truck coming out with a similar concept but using today's battery technology where they claim 700 miles range on a charge/full tank

by Anonymousreply 59April 16, 2024 5:46 PM

It's clear Musk is a great "big idea" guy, and a terrible "sweat the details" kind of guy.

Unfortunately, sweating the details is what makes a product better than their competition. See: Toyota.

by Anonymousreply 60April 16, 2024 6:10 PM

I'd say one thing that people tend to forget is that electric vehicles are not a mature technology yet. Some claim that it is just as dirty as ICE cars because of the energy-intensive manufacturing process.

This type of thinking excludes (deliberately?) the realization that the technology will mature at some point. The manufacturing process will be cleaner, batteries will become more capable, charge faster and will have longer range. And then their eco-footprint will be a lot better than today and compared to ICE vehicles. So just because an EV is not for you right now, it doesn't mean that it isn't for you forever.

And as new technology goes, it is never perfect right from the start. It needs its time to improve. Just think how many decades it took to get ICE engines to the level they are today.

by Anonymousreply 61April 16, 2024 6:23 PM

[QUOTE] Chevrolet had the volt, which was a hyrbid that used the gas engine to recharge the electric motor, so the car ran on electricity but was recharged by a small gas engine when the battery ran out. It could get about 50-60 miles on pure electric charge which was good for most commutes around town and would charge overnight.

Isn’t this a PHEV?

by Anonymousreply 62April 16, 2024 7:15 PM

Yeah, and really upset that GM canceled the Volt as well. A lot of people loved it. Used to see a lot of them around town.

I don't understand why they canceled the Volt and kept the Bolt... they should still have both, and be iterating and refining each of them.

by Anonymousreply 63April 16, 2024 7:26 PM

[quote]Unfortunately, sweating the details is what makes a product better than their competition. See: Toyota.

Toyotas aren’t better than their competition. However, the company has built a loyal base of buyers over the years who won’t consider anything else.

by Anonymousreply 64April 16, 2024 7:31 PM

[quote]If you can't see it, then you're just blind, [R53]. It's perfectly efficient, imho. I have a 7 gallon gas tank and on a full charge can drive over 350 miles no problem before I have to fill up at a gas station or recharge.

A Tesla Model 3 can go 350 miles before it needs to recharge too. Again, not seeing how a PHEV is any better.

by Anonymousreply 65April 16, 2024 7:35 PM

[quote]Toyotas aren’t better than their competition.

Then tell us why they consistently get the highest satisfaction ratings — by buyers — of any brand. And then please explain why Toyota customers are so loyal if you can buy cheaper or even just other branded cars that are just as reliable, aesthetic and last as long.

We'll wait.

by Anonymousreply 66April 16, 2024 7:45 PM

[quote]Then tell us why they consistently get the highest satisfaction ratings — by buyers — of any brand. And then please explain why Toyota customers are so loyal if you can buy cheaper or even just other branded cars that are just as reliable, aesthetic and last as long. We'll wait.

Comsumer Rpeorts says that BMW is the best car brand overall. They also rank Subaru and Honda higher than Toyota.

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by Anonymousreply 67April 16, 2024 7:49 PM

[quotes] Then tell us why they consistently get the highest satisfaction ratings

Because buyers have different expectations in brands. Toyotas are no frill. Their technology is never brand new or exciting but affordable and reliable. Toyota buyers are not the same as BMW or Ferrari. BMW buyers have different needs and expectations. High tech and excellent performance comes at a higher price point. And because the higher tech is newer it also tends to be less reliable.

by Anonymousreply 68April 16, 2024 8:25 PM

Toyotas are beyond dependable. They can last 2 decades if given the chance with routine maintenance. Everything from the engine to the instrument is reliable.

Our Prius has gone two hundred thousand miles even after $13,000 worth of damage (a deer ran into the front end at 70 MPH) five years ago. Tons of almost 10-20 year old Priuses all over the roads still here in the Bay Area.

Teslas...

by Anonymousreply 69April 16, 2024 8:26 PM

If Apple buys Tesla, maybe they can get Jony Ive out of retirement for some cutting edge design.

As GM's Harley Earl knew, style sells automobiles.

by Anonymousreply 70April 16, 2024 9:06 PM

@r64, "Toyotas aren’t better than their competition"

Um, yes, yes they are. Toyota is consistently rated one of the best cars in the world

Hint, it's Lexus

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by Anonymousreply 71April 16, 2024 9:27 PM

[quote]A Tesla Model 3 can go 350 miles before it needs to recharge too. Again, not seeing how a PHEV is any better.

R65, are you exceedingly dense?

What happens at the end of that 350 miles?

Jesus christ, WTF is wrong with you that you cannot understand the concept of "RANGE ANXIETY", and that a Tesla induces that in its owners while something like a Clarity does NOT.

This is not rocket science. This is the simplest fucking thing in the world. When I was doing long distance driving through Texas (zero electric infrastructure at the time) when I got near the end of my 350 miles, I just stopped at any old gas station and was on my way fully able to go another 300 miles in just five minutes with no stress, no worry, no problem.

A Tesla in the same circumstance would be up shit creek without a paddle. You'd have to have pre-planned distances and organized your trip around charging stations.

Now pull your goddamned head out of your ass. If you can't see the difference, you're a blithering idiot.

by Anonymousreply 72April 16, 2024 9:36 PM

[quote]Um, yes, yes they are. Toyota is consistently rated one of the best cars in the world. Hint, it's Lexus

Consumer Reports looks at all factors…including reliability, driving performance, customer satisfaction scores, and safety features. And they determined that BMW scores higher than Lexus, and Subaru and Honda score higher than Toyota.

by Anonymousreply 73April 16, 2024 9:43 PM

[QUOTE]A Tesla Model 3 can go 350 miles before it needs to recharge too. Again, not seeing how a PHEV is any better.

Yeah, 350 miles with everything including the radio off. Turn on anything in that car and the range drops. They probably get about 250 miles realistically, and I’m sure the more you charge it the more it drops even further.

by Anonymousreply 74April 16, 2024 9:45 PM

[quote][R65], are you exceedingly dense? What happens at the end of that 350 miles? Jesus christ, WTF is wrong with you that you cannot understand the concept of "RANGE ANXIETY", and that a Tesla induces that in its owners while something like a Clarity does NOT.

What happens at the end of that 350 miles? You plug it into a Supercharger and it charges to 80 percent in 25 minutes.

Maybe we should just accept that some of us don’t live with anxiety 24/7 and are fine with an EV. For the rest of you, there are plug-in hybrids.

by Anonymousreply 75April 16, 2024 9:46 PM

We have friends with an EV and they love it. I’m happy for them. That being said, whenever they’re planning a long drive they rent a gas powered vehicle. Saves mileage on their personal vehicle and they avoid the hassle of planning their drive around available charging locations.

by Anonymousreply 76April 16, 2024 10:25 PM

@r73, You're wrong and I linked an article @r71 from CR that says your wrong. It's Ok to be wrong, but you can't just keep insisting you're right when you're not. You sound like a Trumper

by Anonymousreply 77April 16, 2024 10:27 PM

@r76, well that's kind of dumb, spend $50K on a car then have to rent one if you want to go further than the grocery store

by Anonymousreply 78April 16, 2024 10:29 PM

[quote]@[R73], You're wrong and I linked an article @[R71] from CR that says your wrong. It's Ok to be wrong, but you can't just keep insisting you're right when you're not. You sound like a Trumper

You linked to an article that looks ONLY at reliability. Reliability doesn’t equal BEST. When Consumer Reports looked at all factors, including reliability, driving performance, customer satisfaction, and safety features…they determined that BMW was better OVERALL than Lexus, and Subaru and Honda were better OVERALL than Toyota. There’s nothing wrong with buying a car based strictly on reliability alone, but many people care about driving performance and other factors as well.

by Anonymousreply 79April 16, 2024 10:38 PM

[quote]@[R76], well that's kind of dumb, spend $50K on a car then have to rent one if you want to go further than the grocery store

Plug-in hybrids are perfect for nervous people who develop “range-anxiety” if they have to travel “further than the grocery store.” For the rest of us, there are EVs and hybrids.

by Anonymousreply 80April 16, 2024 10:40 PM

R71, I was just going to post what r79 said. That list was only reliability. Damn there/s my Mercedes near the bottom of the list.

by Anonymousreply 81April 16, 2024 10:43 PM

@r79, So link me to an article supporting your point...

"Consumer Reports looks at all factors…including reliability, driving performance, customer satisfaction scores, and safety features. And they determined that BMW scores higher than Lexus, and Subaru and Honda score higher than Toyota. "

I'll wait 🤨

by Anonymousreply 82April 16, 2024 10:44 PM

@r81, Because Mercedes is crap when it comes to reliability. I don't care how good it handles if it's sitting in the shop most of the time, it's crap

by Anonymousreply 83April 16, 2024 10:46 PM

R82, the article you are requesting was already posted at R67.

by Anonymousreply 84April 16, 2024 10:47 PM

So, R75, you ARE exceedingly dense. Or you think Super chargers are just everywhere. When they're not.

Maybe YOU should accept that not everyone lives in a location (or wants to travel to or through a location) that has great charging infrastructure. You incomprehensible fucking self-absorbed moron.

by Anonymousreply 85April 16, 2024 10:52 PM

@r84, well, it's good to know that BMW is getting better. I hope they keep up the good work

by Anonymousreply 86April 16, 2024 10:55 PM

Some employees didn’t realize they were laid off until they went to scan their badges at work

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by Anonymousreply 87April 16, 2024 11:02 PM

There should have been more shift to focus on hybrids. Hybrids make a lot more sense for many parts of the world, particularly colder climates. As for Tesla, dumping Musk might help, but I’m guessing a good majority of board members are firmly up his ass.

by Anonymousreply 88April 16, 2024 11:03 PM

Very few people need a car or SUV that goes 100 miles in a day. Most urban drivers don't need more than that.

by Anonymousreply 89April 17, 2024 2:23 AM

I hope my friend isn't out of a job. I'm longtime friends with someone who works on building Cybertrucks, predominantly the frame at Tesla Gigafactory. Was telling me that he makes a good deal of money on the usual UAW work schedule. Tesla sucks, their car sucks, but they tend to compensate well. Guess it's just an upside of being a past-his-prime billionaire's brainchild running this failing concept.

by Anonymousreply 90April 17, 2024 2:28 AM

Cybertrucks suck, and the sooner they stop making them, the better.

by Anonymousreply 91April 17, 2024 3:39 AM

More like cybersuck, amirite?

by Anonymousreply 92April 17, 2024 3:52 AM

Agreed, R91.

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by Anonymousreply 93April 17, 2024 5:09 AM

The board is too busy making sure Elon gets his $56 billion back

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by Anonymousreply 94April 17, 2024 12:05 PM

R75, R85 girls, GIRLS!! You’re both being “EXCEEDINGLY” annoying. Tesla market cap was wildly overvalued and still is even with the drop. I think it’s got a lot further to fall yet.

by Anonymousreply 95April 17, 2024 12:25 PM

Several co-workers and I placed deposits on Tesla 3s back in 2017.

Then Tesla removed free access to the Super Charger network for the Tesla 3s, then Tesla removed fully automated driving from the Tesla 3 as a standard option, then I got my deposit back and continued to drive my Prius C for several more years.

I JUST retired the 2012 Prius C and got a 2024 Prius Prime PHEV. PHEVs are where it's at.

by Anonymousreply 96April 17, 2024 12:44 PM

EVs and PHEVs have the problem that charging them isn't always easy. If you have your own garage - great! You set up your own charger and you can charge every night, every week if it's an EV. But if you don't have your own infrastructure it's going to be difficult. People will not seek public charging every day for their PHEV. And apartment buildings usually don't offer these chargers. IMHO, this is what holds back further expansion. One family units are covered, apartments and condos are not.

by Anonymousreply 97April 17, 2024 12:52 PM

PHEVs are much easier to adapt to for charging than EVs, which need 240V chargers.

by Anonymousreply 98April 17, 2024 1:45 PM

Here's an idea. While laying off 10% of your workforce due to declining sales, lets re-instate an illegal $56 Billion (with a B) pay package for Musk.

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by Anonymousreply 99April 17, 2024 3:33 PM

I wonder are they getting saddled with bad debt by offering sub-prime loans? Where I live it's not the young professionals that are driving around in these cars.

by Anonymousreply 100April 17, 2024 3:38 PM

r97 most new EVs come with 2-3 years free charging (non - tesla) to compensate for apartment dwellers or a free install of a l2 charger at home if you can get one. I had an l2 at home already from my previous EV so I opted for the free 2 years on Electrify America for my BMW I4. You get 30 minis of free charging - which will get my car from 10-80% but here is the trick. It is free 30 mins per session, not per day so you can charge for 30, unplug and plug back in for another 30 mins free. I get about 340 miles of range so I only charge once a week but that is free electricity for a year.

by Anonymousreply 101April 18, 2024 3:56 PM

Tesla has gone straight down the shitter!!!

by Anonymousreply 102April 22, 2024 1:51 AM

Into the shitter!

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by Anonymousreply 103April 22, 2024 1:56 AM

Musk has systematically destroyed the Tesla brand via what he's revealed about himself after purchasing Twitter which he has also systematically destroyed. He can't fix this because he IS this. People are getting sick to death of "billionaires" stomping around the planet.

Moral of the story: you can only be a gargantuan asshole for so long before everybody catches on and it causes massive damage.

by Anonymousreply 104April 22, 2024 2:21 AM

[quote]reported this month that its global vehicle deliveries in the first quarter fell for the first time in nearly four years.

For any car manufacturer to go 4 years without a drop in sales is quite a feat.

Right now the Tesla model line-up looks really old. Instead of devoting so much money and effort into the Cybertruck they should have been updating their cars.

Way back when Rambler owned the compact car market their sales were booming, then everyone else came out with compacts and the company started to slide and eventually died. It sort of reminds me of the situation Tesla is in, they're no longer the only game in town.

by Anonymousreply 105April 22, 2024 2:22 AM

[quote]Moral of the story: you can only be a gargantuan asshole for so long before everybody catches on and it causes massive damage.

This is also what's happening to J.Lo.

by Anonymousreply 106April 22, 2024 2:23 AM

To R104, I agree with your post; he can't fix the problem because he is the problem! I met Elon 3 times thru work, never trusted him. I told my 2 bosses, "Never trust a Big Idea guy"

by Anonymousreply 107April 22, 2024 2:48 AM

The Cybertruck’s failure is now complete

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by Anonymousreply 108April 22, 2024 12:05 PM

WTF was the "Druggie musk" on when he approved the design of the Cyber musk-truck!

Seriously, did the Tesla designers& engineers ask "real truckers" about the musk truck design& how it will work on the highway.

I laughed when I saw the design concepts years ago, my European boss (Italian Gg& his wife) were the 1st in the company to see the concepts...they laughed. I told my bosses, I know trucks& truckers, I cannot do a trucker or blow him in this truck. It's in the company record, they showed me the video meeting of these comments last week in NYC. No monies for Elon& Tesla.

by Anonymousreply 109April 22, 2024 1:33 PM

My Cybertruck looks awesome!

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by Anonymousreply 110April 22, 2024 1:40 PM

[quote] The key demo for Tesla was high income eco-conscious lefties.

And the common herd never wanted these EVs Joe is forcing on America in the first place

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by Anonymousreply 111April 22, 2024 1:48 PM

That's not what the article says, R111.

by Anonymousreply 112April 23, 2024 2:47 AM

R94

The new Prius is gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 113April 23, 2024 3:11 AM

Elon Musk: Tesla isn’t a car company

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by Anonymousreply 114April 24, 2024 3:52 PM

Grasp those straws, Elmo!

by Anonymousreply 115April 24, 2024 4:33 PM

Laying off thousands at the new Austin factory.

Is there any business that Elon ISN'T running into the ground?

by Anonymousreply 116April 24, 2024 4:56 PM

Like he grasped these straws ?

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by Anonymousreply 117April 24, 2024 5:07 PM

The cybertruck is so hilariously ugly. Who would have ever wanted to own it?

by Anonymousreply 118April 24, 2024 5:09 PM

Status-seeking tools, r118

by Anonymousreply 119April 24, 2024 5:22 PM

Agreed, Status-seeking tools just like all the other internal combustion haters

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by Anonymousreply 120April 24, 2024 5:31 PM

R120, I think you are projecting. Not all hybrid or EV drivers are "haters". First of all, "hate" is a pretty hyperbolic word in this context. So - choosing this word is not really helpful. Then, some EV owners couldn't care less about the environment. They just want the free left-lane ride on the freeway with a bumper sticker. Sure there are some smug EV and hybrid owners. But are they "all" like that?

I wish people were a bit more levelheaded and fact based in this discussion. And why does the discussion often have to become political? Some people reflexively reject EVs and hybrids because they consider it a demonic Democratic ploy. I am so sick of peoples' political feelings.

by Anonymousreply 121April 24, 2024 5:55 PM

You have to admit, the "South Park" episode of Priuses, George Clooney at the Oscars, smugness was pretty awesome.

by Anonymousreply 122April 24, 2024 5:59 PM

The quality issues of the Cybertruck ALONE are disqualifying. The things are falling apart and breaking down even as they're driven off the lot. Even if they DIDN'T look like laughable shit designed by a 3 year old who knew nothing about trucks, they're awful... expensive piles of shit that don't work.

by Anonymousreply 123April 24, 2024 6:33 PM

I hate buying gas. It’s a contribution to greedy, climate change denying companies and despots. I want an EV but would never buy a Tesla because of Elon. I am. Toyota driver and have been looking at hybrids but I am worried about the catalytic converter thefts and that there is no real solution. Also you can’t order the exact car you want. You can make a request to the Toyota dealership and wait a few months to see what comes in. There is so mush demand they have been charging over msrp and have a take it or leave it attitude. I would love a BMW but they are so expensive.

by Anonymousreply 124April 24, 2024 7:06 PM

The new 2024 Prius is quite the looker. I’ve never even thought about owning a Prius before but I wouldn’t mind having this one. I can see why Motor Trend gave it the COTY award.

With a hybrid, trips to the gas station can be few and far between. My mother has a hybrid and I gas it up for her probably every two months.

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by Anonymousreply 125April 24, 2024 7:14 PM

I see a shitload of Teslas around me, but they're all driven by Indian men who work in tech. You know the type. They always have the latest iPhone, a fridge with a television in the door, and a dog cloned from a WKC champion.

They're a cheesy status symbol for idiots who care more about branding than quality. And in my neck of the woods, the Indian diaspora fits that to a T.

by Anonymousreply 126April 24, 2024 7:20 PM

Argument settled

Kelli is trinnee

Cybertruck good

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by Anonymousreply 127April 24, 2024 7:23 PM

R127 I rest my case about trash who value image over quality.

by Anonymousreply 128April 24, 2024 7:23 PM

The stock jumped today on the news that they plan to manufacture a more affordable model starting next year.

Lost in this exuberance is whether a) there really is a lower-end market in this time when EVs are losing some of their luster; b) they can actually deliver a quality product by then (considering that, last we knew, they’d abandoned plans for such a car); and c) whether the Tesla design doesn’t fall out of favor, as they plan to use some interchangeable parts, so the design can’t evolve much.

by Anonymousreply 129April 24, 2024 7:53 PM

The QUICKEST way to turn all this mess around is for Musk to partner with GM to buy this light post/EV charger combo company and offer to rig every city in America with them, and offer free or almost free charging through electric providers.

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by Anonymousreply 130April 25, 2024 7:53 AM

[QUOTE] The stock jumped today

The stock jumped cause Katy “bought” a Cybertruck

by Anonymousreply 131April 25, 2024 7:24 PM

[quote]partner with GM

Tesla is bigger than GM, Ford, and Fiat Chrysler [italic]combined[/italic]. Why would they partner with a car manufacturer that can barely make a car anyone wants? Aside, of course, for their ability to manufacture cars that don't turn into bricks in the car wash.

by Anonymousreply 132April 26, 2024 2:49 PM

Katy Perry is an irrelevant has-been who has no influence on the stock market.

by Anonymousreply 133April 26, 2024 3:53 PM

I used to like Katy Perry. That's all gone now. And buying one of these stupid things is just the cherry on top of that.

Nobody cares what she does or doesn't buy.

by Anonymousreply 134April 26, 2024 4:12 PM

Everybody wants an electric car. Thanks for imposing them Joe.

New York CNN —

Ford’s electric vehicle unit reported that losses soared in the first quarter to $1.3 billion, or $𝟏𝟑𝟐,𝟎𝟎𝟎 for each of the 10,000 vehicles it sold in the first three months of the year, helping to drag down earnings for the company overall.

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by Anonymousreply 135April 26, 2024 4:35 PM

R135 Ford never could manage their finances. Remember their bailout?

by Anonymousreply 136April 26, 2024 6:12 PM

If Tesla were up for sale, I am thinking a Chinese competitor would be interested to get easier entry to the US- and European markets.

by Anonymousreply 137April 26, 2024 10:28 PM

The bloom is off the rose with EVs and Tesla will be affected just as the other EV makers will be.

by Anonymousreply 138April 26, 2024 10:42 PM

[quote]Ford’s electric vehicle unit reported that losses soared in the first quarter to $1.3 billion, or $𝟏𝟑𝟐,𝟎𝟎𝟎 for each of the 10,000 vehicles it sold in the first three months of the year, helping to drag down earnings for the company overall.

And that's why you have to consider what Tesla has achieved in the last 10 years is really quite amazing.

Whether they will be able to sustain their success is another story...

by Anonymousreply 139April 26, 2024 10:56 PM

Fisker claims that they are in negotiations with four other manufacturers to be sold to one of them. Allegedly one of them is Nissan. Sounds strange to me. Does Fisker have anything valuable? I suppose if the price is right it could be a relative quick entry into the EV world.

by Anonymousreply 140April 27, 2024 1:02 AM

Tesla's so full of shit-

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by Anonymousreply 141April 27, 2024 2:30 AM

R136, Ford was not bailed out. GM and Chrysler were; Chrysler twice.

by Anonymousreply 142April 27, 2024 5:05 PM

Ford took $6 billion, R142.

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by Anonymousreply 143April 27, 2024 7:20 PM

Tesla also got a loan from the government:

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by Anonymousreply 144April 27, 2024 7:26 PM

GM and Chrysler paid back their money, too. Over a decade ago.

by Anonymousreply 145April 27, 2024 8:20 PM

R143, perhaps we are both correct. They took out loans, but never declared bankruptcy. They were shrewd in how much they borrowed.

by Anonymousreply 146April 27, 2024 8:45 PM

Tesla, GM and Ford need to partner and develop the charging infrastructure for apartment, condo, and city living drivers. They need to have easy access outlets in lightposts, yards, and open parking lots. These charging points need to be cheap, universal and everywhere.

This is an EV collar that would save several thousand dollars of installation fees instead of wiring the 240V hook onto an older circuit box. It should really come free with every new car and offered by local electric providers just like cable boxes from cable companies.

The possibility that using a timer and WiFi connection you could get the cheapest rates overnight AND utilities could make money as well as ease the flow and direct it to different parts of the grid as necessary should be of utmost priority both government and the car industry.,

This would be equivalent to paying $14 to fill a tank of gas.

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by Anonymousreply 147May 2, 2024 11:31 PM

So much winning.....

by Anonymousreply 148May 2, 2024 11:57 PM

So much winning indeed.

"SpaceX is building a network of hundreds of spy satellites under a classified contract with a U.S. intelligence agency, five sources familiar with the program said, demonstrating deepening ties between billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk's space company and national security agencies."

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by Anonymousreply 149May 3, 2024 1:37 AM

How Much Money Will SpaceX Make in 2024?

Nasdaq.com:

"SpaceX revenue will pass $13.3 billion this year"

"According to data from S&P Global Market Intelligence, that's more money than defense contracting giant Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) generated from its space business last year, "

BTW: Starlink didn't even exist just four years ago,

Elon Musk....what a loser!

by Anonymousreply 150May 3, 2024 1:51 AM

Elon Musk has demonstrated that he's a National Security risk (and being a foreign national and a billionaire narcissist, he has zero loyalty or fealty to this country). The US government should work to sever all ties to him and his businesses. Up to and including nationalizing StarLink and SpaceX.

by Anonymousreply 151May 3, 2024 4:19 AM

I am just here for the Elon dick rider's comments. They are like caviar.

by Anonymousreply 152May 3, 2024 4:23 AM

[quote]Elon Musk has demonstrated that he's a National Security risk (and being a foreign national and a billionaire narcissist, he has zero loyalty or fealty to this country). The US government should work to sever all ties to him and his businesses. Up to and including nationalizing StarLink and SpaceX.

The Biden administration feels differently.

The Washington Post May 1st 2024:

"Biden’s internet-for-all program needs Musk’s help"

"Officials say Starlink’s satellites will probably fill gaps in the Biden administration’s $42 billion push to hook every American home up to high-speed internet"

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by Anonymousreply 153May 3, 2024 4:28 AM

DEPORT ELON MUSK!

by Anonymousreply 154May 3, 2024 5:10 AM

Elmo is the poster child for the Peter Principle.

by Anonymousreply 155May 3, 2024 2:33 PM

[quote] SpaceX is building a network of hundreds of spy satellites under a classified contract with a U.S. intelligence agency

Too many for any possibility the Russians or Chinese could shoot down and blind US defense.

Elon Musk, American hero !

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by Anonymousreply 156May 3, 2024 4:16 PM

R156, look up Kessler Syndrome.

by Anonymousreply 157May 3, 2024 5:59 PM

Yeah, what does loser Elon Musk know about anything!:

NYTimes April 29th 2024:

"Tesla Reaches Deals in China on Self-Driving Cars"

"Elon Musk met with the country’s premier, a longtime Tesla ally, and secured regulatory nods and a necessary partnership with a Chinese tech company."

"Mr. Musk flew on his private jet to Beijing on Sunday morning and met almost immediately with Premier Li Qiang, China’s No. 2 official after Xi Jinping. "

Reuters: "The leap in Tesla's stock added $90 billion to the company's market value, a major vote of confidence from Wall Street for the electric-vehicle maker as it struggles with soft demand and increased competition.

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by Anonymousreply 158May 3, 2024 6:18 PM

Another Tesla exec flees, this one waving his middle fingers

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by Anonymousreply 159May 11, 2024 7:34 PM

Now that Tesla is mainstream at BMW prices, the should be working to make the car actually sexy. Instead, they continue on with a decade old design that is tired. People would come back if the cars looked desirable instead of common.

by Anonymousreply 160May 11, 2024 7:48 PM

[quote]Now that Tesla is mainstream at BMW prices, the should be working to make the car actually sexy.

Tesla has had to cut their prices. They now sell for $10 - $15k less than comparable BMWs.

by Anonymousreply 161May 11, 2024 8:07 PM

I can't imagine anyone being dumb enough to buy one of these cars now. TERRIBLE quality. Stale design. The whole motivating factor of the super charger network is all but gone now, since Tesla just fired EVERYONE responsible for that service and all those stations. Why would you waste your money now?

by Anonymousreply 162May 11, 2024 8:55 PM

I'm thinking of picking up a new Model 3 Performance, but I'm probably going to wait until Tesla change the battery.

r162 the SC network isn't actually going away though. Elon's full of shit always, but he's not that stupid. Firing them was just him throwing a tantrum because Tinucci didn't act quick enough for Elon's liking. In the mean time it's going to mean more crowded stations because of the inevitably slower rollout paired with the ever increasing number of Teslas on the road (and other EVs that can access the SC network*). And AFAIK the maintenance team is still intact so reliability should not suffer. If it does there will be hell to pay. Even the Muskrats won't be able to justify it.

*unknown at this point who else besides Ford and Rivian will gain access to the network because that WAS being handled by the department Elon binned.

by Anonymousreply 163May 11, 2024 10:00 PM

Elon will quickly get bored with a company in decline. Look for him to resign if he can't get his pay package approved.

by Anonymousreply 164May 11, 2024 11:02 PM

Tesla is Elon’s main source of power, R164. A megalomaniac like him would never surrender it.

by Anonymousreply 165May 12, 2024 1:52 AM

BMW has had a dramatic drop in quality. I'm not sure that's the standard to measure against.

by Anonymousreply 166May 12, 2024 3:44 AM

[quote]BMW has had a dramatic drop in quality. I'm not sure that's the standard to measure against.

No, they haven’t. Their quality has gone up. According to Consumer Reports, they’re now the best.

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by Anonymousreply 167May 12, 2024 10:21 AM

^ For all the talk here about quality, Consumer Reports rates Tesla on par with Ford. Better than Mercedes, Volvo, Nissan, Chevy, Volkswagen, Rivian,...

by Anonymousreply 168May 12, 2024 12:48 PM

Tesla needs Apple more than Apple needs Tesla.

by Anonymousreply 169May 12, 2024 12:59 PM

All the cum receptacles that could, did buy EVs. The rest don't see a value proposition for them yet. Resale, repairs, and recharging are profound issues to overcome.

by Anonymousreply 170May 12, 2024 2:48 PM

^ My question is, what happens with all those junked batteries?

by Anonymousreply 171May 12, 2024 3:59 PM

R168, you can be sure that those ratings don't include the Cybertruck.

by Anonymousreply 172May 12, 2024 4:57 PM

R171, they get recycled.

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by Anonymousreply 173May 12, 2024 6:34 PM

Musk reverses on Supercharger team layoffs

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by Anonymousreply 174May 13, 2024 5:26 PM

Musk is chaotic.

by Anonymousreply 175May 13, 2024 7:42 PM

Parking lots full of Tesla vehicles are becoming impossible to ignore as the electric automaker can’t sell enough cars and trucks to match its rate of production.

It produced 46,561 more vehicles than it delivered to customers in Jan.-Mar. 2024.

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by Anonymousreply 176May 13, 2024 9:24 PM

So clown show Elon Muck mouths off about what delicate 'woke" hot house flowers his "idiot" customers are, then bites the hands of California and the US Government for believing in him and offering tax incentives and to develop and sell his product line and calls it socialism, then wonders why he has lots full of unsold (and unwanted) inventory.

I haven't seen such business acumen since his buddy Donald J. Trump appeared on the scene.

Is Musk he really that fucking stupid?

by Anonymousreply 177May 13, 2024 9:39 PM

I predicted this months ago.

by Anonymousreply 178May 13, 2024 9:51 PM

R177 Elon is fine with welfare for corporation, just not for struggling individuals who actually need assistance to survive.

by Anonymousreply 179May 13, 2024 9:56 PM

R175,R177- give the poor guy a break. You know he's in a K-hole whenever he opens up his mouth or makes a decision. Surely we mustn't hold him accountable!

by Anonymousreply 180May 13, 2024 10:56 PM

Not so long ago they were unable to fulfill their orders.

by Anonymousreply 181May 13, 2024 11:21 PM

Unsold EVs is an industry wide problem.

"Suppliers in South Korea, China grapple with unsold inventory"

"Ford Cuts Battery Orders as EV Losses Top $100,000 Per Car"

"The move is part a retrenchment of Ford’s EV strategy, which includes reducing spending by $12 billion on battery-powered models, delaying new EVs, cutting prices, and postponing and shrinking planned battery plants. Ford has forecast EV losses of up to $5.5 billion this year and Chief Executive Officer Jim Farley recently said its EV unit, Model e, “is the main drag on the whole company right now.”"

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by Anonymousreply 182May 13, 2024 11:59 PM

"G.M. Profits Hurt by Unsold Electric Vehicles "

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by Anonymousreply 183May 14, 2024 12:02 AM

Tesla’s board must be so far up Musk’s ass. Any other CEO would have been gone a long time ago.

by Anonymousreply 184May 14, 2024 12:05 AM

[quote]Parking lots full of Tesla vehicles are becoming impossible to ignore as the electric automaker can’t sell enough cars and trucks to match its rate of production.

You hate to see it. Oh well.

by Anonymousreply 185May 14, 2024 12:16 AM

Haven't heard much about the stupid hyperloop scam lately, have you?

by Anonymousreply 186May 14, 2024 3:32 AM

Tesla still moves the needle for the entire industry when they make decisions about pricing. The current 1% financing until the end of the month would be very tempting and I expect companies like GM and VW to sit up and notice.

That said, like Apple they need to develop a robot to quickly recycle that can either quickly tear apart a car and/or a replacement strategy with insurers to “reassume” critically damaged Teslas and replace them with refurbished ones because the expensive repairs are bringing down the entire insurance industry.

They also need to work with private body repair companies to supply them quickly and easily, and again recycle usable electronics and parts.

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by Anonymousreply 187May 14, 2024 9:58 AM

Who would make a large dollar purchase from a company whose CEO has only contempt for its customers?

by Anonymousreply 188May 14, 2024 10:11 AM

The only customers Tesla has left are douchebro incels who worship Elon for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 189May 14, 2024 1:59 PM

They are going to have to figure out a solution to the flooding-extra hot fire issue.

by Anonymousreply 190May 14, 2024 2:13 PM

Further to R190.

Watch out for those storm surges.

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by Anonymousreply 191May 14, 2024 3:50 PM

Loser Musk!

"Elon Musk traveled to Indonesia’s resort island of Bali on Sunday to launch Starlink satellite internet service in the world’s largest archipelago nation."

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by Anonymousreply 192May 19, 2024 4:18 PM

Elon comes out against tariffs on Chinese EVs

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