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Baby Reindeer

I don’t see a thread on this. Just watched it last night and I feel as if the actor (and writer) is too old looking to suspend disbelief. He looks the same age as the stalker and the abuser. But I thought it was an interesting perspective on loneliness causing people to be complicit in their own suffering. What thinks the DL? Richard Gadd looks too scrawny and bug eyed haunted for my taste.

by Anonymousreply 413May 23, 2024 10:35 PM

Nice link OP

by Anonymousreply 1April 14, 2024 6:09 PM

Where did you watch it, OP? Is it a movie or what?

by Anonymousreply 2April 14, 2024 6:14 PM

Sorry , I watched it on Netflix. It is based on a true story of a stalker and a producer rapist. There’s also a trans woman to top it all off. The trans woman is the only sane character.

by Anonymousreply 3April 14, 2024 6:22 PM

Thanks, OP. I just watched the first episode. The stalker woman is too much of a caricature, and the lead actor looks quite a bit older than 33.

by Anonymousreply 4April 14, 2024 6:36 PM

Here he is, looking forty five at least

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by Anonymousreply 5April 14, 2024 6:38 PM

Giving "Super Hans" from Peep Show vibes. Very druggy-looking.

by Anonymousreply 6April 14, 2024 6:39 PM

It was really good. The fourth episode was harrowing, but great tv.

by Anonymousreply 7April 14, 2024 6:42 PM

I turned it off after #4. All of the characters are repulsive. The male lead looks covered in dirt and sweat.

by Anonymousreply 8April 14, 2024 7:59 PM

I watched it and still can't figure out if I liked it.

by Anonymousreply 9April 14, 2024 10:12 PM

I liked it. It was honest about abuse, loneliness, shame, pain, all that funny stuff.

by Anonymousreply 10April 14, 2024 11:50 PM

I just watched the whole series and thought it was amazing!

by Anonymousreply 11April 17, 2024 1:25 AM

When I saw the thread title I thought this would be a dollface thread.

by Anonymousreply 12April 17, 2024 2:06 AM

A bit painful to watch at times, but yes, a relatable story about abuse, loneliness, shame, and the consequences of making bad decisions.

The ending wasn't what I expected, which is almost always a good thing. I couldn't help but yearn for someone to show Martha some real compassion, offer her some actual help. She is also a victim, never summoning the power to overcome her damage. The violent abuser is allowed to hold on to his power, and gets a pass. The world is unjust.

by Anonymousreply 13April 17, 2024 3:14 AM

[quote]I couldn't help but yearn for someone to show Martha some real compassion, offer her some actual help. She is also a victim, never summoning the power to overcome her damage.

Which is how Richard Gadd really felt about his stalker. He said the police accused him of harassing them because he kept pushing on why his stalker wasn't getting the help she needed; why weren't there social services in place to address people like her.

by Anonymousreply 14April 17, 2024 3:29 AM

r14 I understand he had good intentions, but that's not really the job of the police. He should have been pestering the social workers and the politicians instead. The police don't have the time to deal with people bitching about how the system is set up.

by Anonymousreply 15April 17, 2024 3:35 AM

Fell into this by accident and was hooked. I was frustrated with his constant vacillating between sympathy and anger. He considers himself 'empathetic' but his actions seem cowardly. He's afraid of losing her attention while complaining about her attention all the while.

by Anonymousreply 16April 17, 2024 3:47 AM

R12, me too. I was expecting some adorable baby reindeer pics!

by Anonymousreply 17April 17, 2024 3:48 AM

I thought it was a train wreck. The trans actress was hideously bad. The stalker character was a caricature over the top. It felt like an Edinburgh solo show on Netflix for the final episode’s monologue. I didn’t care about the main character.

by Anonymousreply 18April 17, 2024 5:27 AM

Oh ok I didn’t realize there was another episode. The scene with his parents was extremely touching actually and I sympathized with the main character at that point. Overall though I still wasn’t a fan.

by Anonymousreply 19April 17, 2024 5:45 AM

It wasn’t perfect but I have to say I’ve never seen anything like this. It was a roller coaster ride.

by Anonymousreply 20April 17, 2024 10:48 AM

Episode 4 was a tough watch as others have said. But then later he went back to the apartment and worked with him again? Mad.

by Anonymousreply 21April 17, 2024 11:04 AM

I've got three episodes to go. I'm enjoying it even tho I kinda hate when people play themselves. I don't know...It just takes me out of it a little bit. I also feel like there's A LOT of embellishment, but it's so well done.

Now, I want to know what ACTUALLY happened here. Every FUCKING thing from when he received the first wacky text message to the end of it without the dramatization. The actual events. He handled this terribly.

by Anonymousreply 22April 17, 2024 11:20 AM

Agreed r22

Also...I became increasingly intrigued by Martha's story instead of his story - despite my empathy for him. And yes he should not have played himself.

by Anonymousreply 23April 17, 2024 12:04 PM

My hunch after watching the whole thing is that the real situation it was based on was deeper than a stalker/victim situation.

It was probably more like a weird friendship where he was fascinated with her weirdness and his ego darkly fed off her attention (which he does go into detail and admit throughout the series, a lot at the end actually).

It just feels like some of the bad situations (him peeping in her window, emailing her that he wanted anal, etc.) he re-frames and over-explains as himself not having no choice in the moment, or not really at fault. He protests too much. When the reality might have been messier and he may have been goading her on for the thrill of it.

I feel like the stalker/victim roles in the real case may have been slightly interchangeable at times, even though she was clearly the worst one and was nuts, and the one perusing him.

by Anonymousreply 24April 17, 2024 12:07 PM

It took me two days to get through it and as soon as it was finished I immediately googled to find out what I could about the real case.

I was stunned to find out the actor was the actual guy! I had no idea.

by Anonymousreply 25April 17, 2024 12:13 PM

Richard Gadd has major BDF

by Anonymousreply 26April 17, 2024 12:14 PM

R26 I think he's cute. I like tall, geeky, awkward dudes...who like transwomen, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 27April 17, 2024 12:21 PM

It lost me when he was peeping in her window. He’s a mess.

by Anonymousreply 28April 17, 2024 12:34 PM

People seem to be trying to find the true identity of his female stalker from the story, but the real intrigue is the industry guy who drugged and assaulted him. Much more at stake revealing someone like that.

Gadd clearly had a hand-up at some point in the television industry.

What is the man’s identity?

by Anonymousreply 29April 17, 2024 2:27 PM

Looking through Gadd’s old comedy YouTube posts and online presence is a rabbit hole.

Probably buried in the comments somewhere on one of these old posts is his real stalker.

by Anonymousreply 30April 17, 2024 2:29 PM

I have no stake in this show which I haven’t watched

But this is the most autistic fucking face i have ever seen

That’s all

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by Anonymousreply 31April 17, 2024 2:32 PM

Dude is definitely hot, for those that are into tall, gangly, arty guys who are kind of a mess. Just my type! 😋

by Anonymousreply 32April 17, 2024 3:12 PM

He’s definitely doing the gay press. This interview in Attitude just dropped…

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by Anonymousreply 33April 17, 2024 3:16 PM

I stumbled on this after waking at 2am on Saturday and watched the whole series. I enjoyed it and it was very roller coaster with the emotions. I fail to understand how his comedy got better and he developed an audience. I actually liked the trans character the most.

by Anonymousreply 34April 17, 2024 3:23 PM

I thought the actress playing the trans character was terrible for most of their onscreen time.

by Anonymousreply 35April 17, 2024 3:27 PM

The trans character was so idealized that it would be hard to play her without broad strokes. She was immaculately groomed, educated, successful, strong, principled and without any apparent flaws. What did she see in that stinky looking derpy mess? She with her manicured hands and martinis, sure Jan.

by Anonymousreply 36April 17, 2024 3:36 PM

That makes sense r36. I couldn't believe the character and it may not have been the actress but the writing.

by Anonymousreply 37April 17, 2024 6:40 PM

His comedy act was horrible.

by Anonymousreply 38April 17, 2024 7:50 PM

I think that was the point r38. He wasn't very good.

by Anonymousreply 39April 18, 2024 2:00 AM

A behind the scenes featurette.

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by Anonymousreply 40April 18, 2024 10:40 AM

The part of the story for me where all reality broke down was when he googled her name and found she had a well-documented past of criminal stalking just like she had begun doing to him… and he didn’t go to the police and make a strong request for them to do something.

by Anonymousreply 41April 18, 2024 11:53 AM

R24 Nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 42April 18, 2024 12:17 PM

FATAL ATTRACTION crossed with PEEP SHOW

by Anonymousreply 43April 18, 2024 12:18 PM

You know… he’s being very keen in the press about not revealing the identity of the real stalker the story is based on.

There’s a chance that he may have created the entire ordeal, texts and all, as material for his show that got so big it eventually became a tv series.

Would you be surprised?

by Anonymousreply 44April 18, 2024 12:20 PM

Is he related to Paul Gadd?

But, seriously, I'm surprised the tabloids haven't tracked down the stalker and the industry guy.

by Anonymousreply 45April 18, 2024 12:58 PM

Maybe the stalker is a composite character of all the crazy chicks this guy dated.

by Anonymousreply 46April 18, 2024 1:12 PM

I watched this over 3 nights and it was well made although I can't say I enjoyed it.

The relationship between Donny and Martha was two broken people who abused each other, although obviously Martha's behaviour went way further. Jessica Gunning was fantastic as always but she looked too similar in age to "Donny" when the real life age gap was 20 years.

And the relationship between Donny and Tom Goodman Hill was really well done and you can see Donny being groomed from the outset and he just kept getting deeper into an abusive relationship not just with TGH but all the other men who took advantage of a distressed man with low self esteem.

In a cast of British TV regulars the trans actor was by far the weakest link but I could totally understand why Donny would be attracted to Teri, and I appreciated that there wasn't any pretence that Teri looked and sounded obviously trans. And I can understand why a therapist would be attracted to a man like Donny or whatever his fake profile was.

by Anonymousreply 47April 18, 2024 4:47 PM

I finally finished this and did enjoy it a lot. It wasn’t perfect but do agree it was quite unique. That held me.

I think the staking stuff was queer adjacent in a “fag hag” sense. Especially with Donny coming to terms with his queerness.

A lot of the extreme stuff from Martha loosely reminded me of experiences with clingy female friends (overweight, weren’t popular) in my adolescent years. I’m in my 50s, but remember those sharp experiences well. The friendship/crush/resentment cycle. Good times, but also some bad.

by Anonymousreply 48April 18, 2024 5:28 PM

Yeah I agree with above posted that there’s probably more (or less) to his various stories than he’s letting on. But a good storyteller often lies the truth.

by Anonymousreply 49April 18, 2024 5:35 PM

This show is now heavily being covered by media. The fact that Reddit users or the shameless UK tabloids haven’t unearthed the real female stalker or the industry sexual assaulter guy is… well, I’ll hold my doubts. But still it’s… interesting.

by Anonymousreply 50April 18, 2024 5:37 PM

What if the original stalker was actually a man? Maybe that ending was a clue.

by Anonymousreply 51April 18, 2024 5:38 PM

I really liked it…except does he imply that his rape was the first time he suspected he was gay?

by Anonymousreply 52April 18, 2024 10:02 PM

This guy gets raped in this show???

by Anonymousreply 53April 18, 2024 11:12 PM

R53 Yeah, it’s real laugh-a-minute!

by Anonymousreply 54April 18, 2024 11:20 PM

[quote]really liked it…except does he imply that his rape was the first time he suspected he was gay?

Yes, in one of the monologues in that episode, I think it’s right after he's getting off on porn, he says he wonders if the rape triggered this attraction to men or just brought it to the fore or something to that effect.

by Anonymousreply 55April 18, 2024 11:28 PM

Was it rape-rape/prison-rape or just surprise anal/just the tip rape?

by Anonymousreply 56April 19, 2024 10:57 AM

I’ve watched four episodes and actually cracked up far more than I expected at his stand-up routines in 3 and 4: the “it’s Donny Dunn!” wacka wacka music after every punchline at the club and his fro/bodysuit costume and entrance at the Edinburgh Fringe shitty pub were exactly what I needed that evening while watching.

Richard Gadd is actually better looking in real life and the woman who plays Martha (Jessica Gunning) had a great, very funny role in a series called The Outlaws.

by Anonymousreply 57April 19, 2024 11:10 AM

To add to my thoughts above, I really love shows like this: they are slightly transgressive, very honest, challenging, kind of terrifying, awkward, embarrassing, and everything else we often want to forget about our bad relationships. I like that he played himself.

And I think Gadd has also been honest IRL about his role in continuing/playing into the stalking at different points in the timeline, which is refreshing.

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by Anonymousreply 58April 19, 2024 11:17 AM

When I May Destroy You came out the media forced a load of unnecessary Fleabag comparisons on it - written and performed by a woman!

Baby Reindeer reminds me in some ways of I May Destroy You - eg the fallout of a drug induced sexual assault - but I haven’t seen anyone make a comparison.

by Anonymousreply 59April 19, 2024 12:21 PM

[quote]And I think Gadd has also been honest IRL about his role in continuing/playing into the stalking at different points in the timeline, which is refreshing.

It really is. I think his taken accountability is admirable and brave, yet I see so many people on Twitter raging about it. They say they have no sympathy for him, he was weak, he should have said no, he participated in it to stroke his ego. No one would ever say that about a woman. But society rarely take male abuse seriously.

by Anonymousreply 60April 19, 2024 4:38 PM

He dug the attention she gave him. What a needy fuck of a person.

by Anonymousreply 61April 19, 2024 4:40 PM

[quote] No one would ever say that about a woman.

People say things like that to and about women who are stalking and/or rape victims literally every single day.

by Anonymousreply 62April 19, 2024 4:47 PM

[quote]People say things like that to and about women who are stalking and/or rape victims literally every single day.

And it is socially unacceptable for people to say and women generally don't say it about other women, but people feel comfortable with openly declaring it when it come to men in that situation.

by Anonymousreply 63April 19, 2024 5:24 PM

So when you said "no one would ever say that about a woman", you were just lying?

by Anonymousreply 64April 19, 2024 5:41 PM

Many believe the stalker has been identified as a woman named Maria Marchese. See this Google search:

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by Anonymousreply 65April 20, 2024 12:56 AM

Stalkers are lunatics and complete losers. That story linked at R65 is wild.

by Anonymousreply 66April 20, 2024 1:12 AM

R65, Gadd has implied in interviews that his stalker was not imprisoned (at least not over him). He wanted her stopped but not locked up. Marchese doesn’t sound like someone who could inspire pity.

by Anonymousreply 67April 20, 2024 1:20 AM

Mmmm, I don’t know, this reads as Augusten Burroughs to me. Fiction and lies disguised as non fiction. Very much “everything but the bloodhounds snapping at her rear end.” It seems like that weird period fifteen years or so ago when all of those confessional non fiction books were exposed as fraud, lies, and half truths. The guy that had to go on Oprah and confess his harrowing book about drug abuse and self torture which she recommended as being a total lie from beginning to end. And that bizarre forty year old woman who entranced Hollywood by writing a book about how she was an abused prostitute teenage boy and then hired some freak of an actress to pretend she was her on a book tour. It was reported about in Vanity Fair for like a year and she was heralded as some sort of hero. I don’t recall the names, but that’s what this reminds me of.

I bet in a few months (with the internet everything is exposed much faster these days,) this guy will be exposed as a fraud. The whole thing just reads as fake to me. My alarm bells went off the moment I read the details, and I felt exactly the same way about the stories I mentioned above.

by Anonymousreply 68April 20, 2024 1:00 PM

As a fan (and slight skeptic), I found this interesting:

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by Anonymousreply 69April 21, 2024 8:47 PM

[quote] What did she see in that stinky looking derpy mess?

I don't understand what any of the characters see in him. His ex gf, her mother, Martha, trans chick... He isn't that funny, talented, or charismatic, or if he is I'm not seeing it in this show.

by Anonymousreply 70April 21, 2024 9:11 PM

Thanks for posting that article r69, it cleared up some lingering questions I had after watching the series. As harrowing as his experience may have been, it certainly wasn't the "everything-but-the-bloodhounds-nipping-at-his-rear-end" scenarios that the Netflix series would have you believe.

by Anonymousreply 71April 21, 2024 11:37 PM

It seems they real stalker has been identified. She doesn't seem too far off from the character. Supposedly she's still harassing people.

by Anonymousreply 72April 22, 2024 7:17 AM

[quote]Not to mention the legal restraining order they had to take out against Fiona Harvey, a former employee of Laura's who stalked her.

[quote]Harvey even called in social workers, claiming Frankie was being ill-treated.

That's Laura Wray, wife of former Labour MP Jimmy Wray.

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by Anonymousreply 73April 22, 2024 10:50 AM

Also known as Fiona Muir

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by Anonymousreply 74April 22, 2024 10:52 AM

Imagine being Maria Marchese or Helen Faure or whoever the real stalker is, and suddenly there’s this show about you and then a hit tv show popular all around you. But your real identity is erased.

How does that work from a legal standpoint? I would think that it would be hard to keep fans (of the tv show especially) from revealing the stalker, but even harder to keep the stalker from going to the press to tell their side of the story or enjoy the attention.

by Anonymousreply 75April 22, 2024 1:29 PM

R75, the perfect ending would be her getting her own show out of this. The circle of exploitation would be complete.

by Anonymousreply 76April 22, 2024 2:22 PM

"Darrien" has apparently been fingered

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by Anonymousreply 77April 22, 2024 4:51 PM

He was fingered? Did he bleed in the shower afterward?

by Anonymousreply 78April 22, 2024 5:04 PM

R77 Wow, really? He even looks like him.

by Anonymousreply 79April 22, 2024 5:11 PM

Hmm… the Sean Foley theory does hold water, but until there’s some sort of concrete confirmation it’s just coincidental speculation. Still… very interesting.

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by Anonymousreply 80April 22, 2024 6:41 PM

This hit the news around April 18th

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by Anonymousreply 81April 22, 2024 6:42 PM

Richard Gadd just posted this to his IG story

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by Anonymousreply 82April 22, 2024 6:50 PM

Reading between the lines of Richard Gadd's interview in Variety, I wonder if "Martha" is no longer with us.

[bold]Viewers are wondering what happened to the real Martha. Did part of you feel afraid she’d try to contact you because of the show?[/bold]

[italic]I can’t answer any of that, really. But yeah, due to where things ended in real life, it’s not a concern for me.[/italic]

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by Anonymousreply 83April 22, 2024 7:39 PM

A female friend of mine said she gave up after one episode because it was “fatphobic.” Where is the fatphobia? Presenting an obsess woman as a stalker character is not fatphobic, but I would be curious to know if I possibly missed something more overt.

by Anonymousreply 84April 22, 2024 8:28 PM

A shitty show I turned off. Everyone is repugnant. It seems like everything was thrown in but the kitchen sink.

by Anonymousreply 85April 22, 2024 8:48 PM

Warning: episode #4 is intense!

by Anonymousreply 86April 22, 2024 8:57 PM

Reddit found this account.

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by Anonymousreply 87April 22, 2024 9:02 PM

R87 Hmm! This article lists some evidence as to why, based on some of her 2014 tweets:

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by Anonymousreply 88April 22, 2024 9:13 PM

More tweets and past Twitter bios for Fiona (get your thumb ready to pause it):

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by Anonymousreply 89April 22, 2024 9:27 PM

R88 Not sure I believe that. Neither of those tweets quoted in the article appear on her timeline. It's possible they've been removed, but as the account hasn't tweeted since 2018 it seems unlikely to still be active. Also if Gadd wanted to change lots of things he wouldn't have made repeated mentions of hanging curtains if that's what she also said in real life.

by Anonymousreply 90April 22, 2024 9:27 PM

I liked the show but it was hard to feel a lot of empathy for Donny when he does things purposely to make his life as miserable as possible. He accepts Martha's friend request on FB even though he has just researched her thoroughly as a stalker. He goes to her apartment multiple times - peeps in her window, checks her out at the bus stop, confronts her and even has sex with her after the anal rape text that he claims his friend did. He goes back to the abuser's apartment. This man wants to feel as shitty as possible about himself which the character admits he loves more than he could love his girlfriend.

I don't know why but the show seemed fat-phobic to me at opposite ends of the spectrum: Martha was a large gal and the trans girlfriend Teri wasn't fat-fat but not slim herself. Meanwhile Donny is like a stick insect, he is almost a caricature of a loser from his clothes to his hairstyle to his comedy act. None of them are likeable - I even lost respect for Teri staying in for weeks with Donny and letting him control her. I think this show is SCREAMING for attention and that seems strange to me considering the past abuse. When the abuse and stalking was over, wouldn't you feel relieved? But he missed it so much he kept playing the recordings. That seems like a very sick person, to me.

by Anonymousreply 91April 22, 2024 9:48 PM

R90, that's what is so strange about this. Gadd says he's changed a lot about the character and wants to reflect the emotional truth of the situation, not the literal events. Yet the draw for the show is that "this really happened." Every interview he has given emphasizes this, and gives specific facts about the stalking. In Gadd's stage show, he played phone messages from "Martha." I assume not the actual messages in her voice, but who knows? "Baby Reindeer" is set up to make people want to know who the rapist and the stalker are. He's letting the audience track both of them down while claiming that he has nothing but sympathy for "Martha," at least.

by Anonymousreply 92April 22, 2024 9:48 PM

R92 Yeah I was wrong. The tweet about needing curtains hanged does exist after all. She seemed to have more than one Twitter account.

by Anonymousreply 93April 22, 2024 9:51 PM

[QUOTE] her and even has sex with her after the anal rape text that he claims his friend did

I don’t think in that Donny had sex with Martha in the show. He was imagining fucking Martha which is how he finally got it up for Teri and took her to pound town.

by Anonymousreply 94April 22, 2024 9:53 PM

Boy, he’s certainly wanted by everybody, isn’t he?

by Anonymousreply 95April 22, 2024 9:55 PM

R94 Agreed. If that had really happened, she'd have told the Police about it.

by Anonymousreply 96April 22, 2024 10:38 PM

According to the show he never had any sexual relations with Martha, but masturbated thinking of her at one point (shown with him jerking off with a photo of her).

by Anonymousreply 97April 22, 2024 10:41 PM

I so wanted to like this show but the principal characters in it are just SO unappealing. The guy lead is too old and not hot enough and that fat girl is obnoxious af. Anyway- good premise, bad execution.

by Anonymousreply 98April 22, 2024 10:45 PM

[quote]Reading between the lines of Richard Gadd's interview in Variety, I wonder if "Martha" is no longer with us.

That wouldn't surprise me.

by Anonymousreply 99April 22, 2024 10:56 PM

The photo at R87 is exactly how I pictured a stalker of this dude to look like. Life is predictable.

by Anonymousreply 100April 22, 2024 11:53 PM

He had to have known that people would turn into Jessica Fletcher after watching this.

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by Anonymousreply 101April 23, 2024 6:56 AM

Yes, it's bullshit to pretend that the "based on a true story" and incorporating real aspects into the show wouldn't spark any interest in finding out more.

Regarding the identical back story between "Martha" and Fiona Harvey/Fiona Muir I guess it's either a case that he didn't really make any effort to hide her true identity add then lied when the show became huge, or it was a double bluff and they expected people to say "oh it can't be Fiona Harvey/Fiona Muir as her story is identical to Martha and they said they changed it to hide her identity".

Maybe Gadd forgot that Fiona Harvey/Fiona Muir had tweeted his account about hanging her curtains and him not replying to her emails? It would be quite easy for Netflix to have had a dormant twitter account suspended and the tweets inaccessible.

by Anonymousreply 102April 23, 2024 8:25 AM

R102

[quote]It would be quite easy for Netflix to have had a dormant twitter account suspended and the tweets inaccessible.

I'm not sure it would be. Elon is pro free speech after all, so if Netflix had contacted Twitter asking for an account to be suspended for the reasons you state, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd have rejected their request to make a point.

I mean, I've reported tweets with homophobic slurs and been told no rule breaks have occurred.

by Anonymousreply 103April 23, 2024 9:13 AM

[quote]I'm not sure it would be. Elon is pro free speech after all, so if Netflix had contacted Twitter asking for an account to be suspended for the reasons you state, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd have rejected their request to make a point.

The production was announced in 2020 and started filming in 2022. They had plenty of time to make sure as many parts of the jigsaw were removed.

by Anonymousreply 104April 23, 2024 9:48 AM

R104 Maybe they underestimated how determined internet sleuths are. Or maybe they/Gadd didn't really care about exposing the real person. After all, if you really cared about their anonymity the simplest solution would have been to not make the show.

As others have said, I wonder if the real Martha is dead now. That could explain the delay in airing it. After all, there's no special effects in Baby Reindeer - so they didn't need to wait all that time before releasing it.

by Anonymousreply 105April 23, 2024 9:52 AM

Is it like I May Destroy You thematically?

by Anonymousreply 106April 23, 2024 1:49 PM

Not really R106 - there are themes of sexual assault based on the writer’s real life experiences but that’s it.

IMDY had multiple stories acted out by the supporting cast around consent and sexuality and Baby Reindeer has none of that.

by Anonymousreply 107April 23, 2024 2:00 PM

Thanks r107

by Anonymousreply 108April 23, 2024 2:15 PM

Richard asked Twitter to leave Sean alone.

But he didn’t technically say it wasn’t Sean.

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by Anonymousreply 109April 23, 2024 3:09 PM

The backlash has begun

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by Anonymousreply 110April 23, 2024 4:07 PM

It reminds me of the backlash to the Shit town podcast from Serial. On one hand you’re telling your story, on the other it’s hard to argue you’re not exploiting others, fairly or not, when we can search social media and see a tweet from a disbarred lawyer asking Richard to hang her curtains.

by Anonymousreply 111April 23, 2024 5:10 PM

I can't possibly watch this because I had a stalker once and I am currently stalking someone myself, but what does that title refer to – baby reindeer? I thought they were just called calves? Is that not the case?

by Anonymousreply 112April 23, 2024 7:24 PM

R112 it refers to a nickname that "Donny's" stalker "Martha" gave him, based on what she says is his likeness to her childhood toy- the only thing that brought her comfort during her miserable childhood. It's Martha's "Rosebud"

by Anonymousreply 113April 23, 2024 7:35 PM

R109 If it was Sean, I doubt he'd have included him in a list of people he loves and admires. He even refers to Sean by name, which pretty much exonerates him.

I think he'd have kept that statement generic otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 114April 24, 2024 12:37 PM

R114, I disagree. The statement that expresses positive things about Sean very clearly doesn’t exonerate him as the molester. I read that as Richard having moved on with his life, perhaps even recognizing that the facts of the assault aren’t as clear as the show made out (perhaps Richard’s lack of consent wasn’t as black and white) and that he would rather just move forward without rehashing the exact facts (or even being charged with defamation by Sean because the facts aren’t clear enough to support a molestation charge). So he throws Sean a bone that he respects him without clearly saying he wasn’t the assailant.

by Anonymousreply 115April 24, 2024 1:07 PM

Baby Reindeer was a superb series. Intelligent, dark, funny and raw. Richard Gadd definitely has “it”…from the first episode I wanted to take him apart and devour him. I understood what the screen writer saw in him: great artistic talent mixed with a sleeping tendency towards self destruction, and that tendency is still there in real life, from his interviews. Richard Gadd will be nominated for multiple Emmys for this series, but he will also get new stalkers. I’m considering buying a plane ticket to the UK, renting a house with a basement and seeing if I can lure Richard into a pit, where I could teach him the meaning of love.

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by Anonymousreply 116April 24, 2024 1:21 PM

Does anyone know where I can watch MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DO?

by Anonymousreply 117April 24, 2024 2:19 PM

I would be interested to see it too r117

A cursory search only turns up the trailer for Monkey See Monkey Do

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by Anonymousreply 118April 24, 2024 2:41 PM

R117 R118 I would imagine it would “officially” be on Comedy Central’s archives, but they don’t seem to have any (do they still exist?)

I can’t find it anywhere online either. And a search for a BitTorrent on Pirate Bay turns up nothing (maybe someone will upload it now that BR is so popular).

Let us know if anyone finds it anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 119April 24, 2024 4:13 PM

Try searching through Reddit

by Anonymousreply 120April 24, 2024 4:14 PM

R115 I also wondered, if watching the series, if his lack of consent was really verbalized or made clear to the "abuser" - the drugs and alcohol and passive nature of his lying there looking up at the ceiling make me wonder if he really did want to be there and doing that. Maybe he was trying on his sexuality. I realize incapacitation does not equal consent but he knowingly kept taking the GHB cocktail, after what had happened the first time.

by Anonymousreply 121April 24, 2024 4:19 PM

He does specially say “NO!” at one point during one of the assaults. Maybe you missed it.

by Anonymousreply 122April 24, 2024 4:56 PM

Who hasn’t ignored a playful “no” when shoving a dry finger into a formerly straight guy’s dirty bunger r122?

by Anonymousreply 123April 24, 2024 5:09 PM

[quote]I’m considering buying a plane ticket to the UK, renting a house with a basement and seeing if I can lure Richard into a pit, where I could teach him the meaning of love.

I remember when Luka Magnotta posted here and I worry about some of you bitches.

by Anonymousreply 124April 24, 2024 5:40 PM

[quote] He does specially say “NO!” at one point during one of the assaults. Maybe you missed it.

The tv show isn’t a videotape of what happened in real life. He may be concerned now that he can’t prove that he clearly wasn’t consenting and doesn’t want to be hauled into court on a defamation claim that he called Sean a rapist. So he could be throwing Sean a little praise and deflection, even if the character was in fact based on Sean.

by Anonymousreply 125April 24, 2024 10:42 PM

The reality could have been a really bad sexual experience, with or without being full on assault, and he dramatised it for optimum suspense for the show.

by Anonymousreply 126April 24, 2024 10:59 PM

The rapist is Sam Bain who wrote Peep Show. The stalker is Fiona Harvey.

by Anonymousreply 127April 25, 2024 12:20 AM

You are sure it’s not J.K. Rowling r127?

by Anonymousreply 128April 25, 2024 12:42 AM

How did Darrien assault Donny? Sucked him off while he was unconscious?

by Anonymousreply 129April 25, 2024 12:49 AM

Butt fucked while on an acid trip r129

by Anonymousreply 130April 25, 2024 12:51 AM

Thanks, didn’t want to watch it but wanted to understand.

by Anonymousreply 131April 25, 2024 1:05 AM

R127

Fiona Harvey (not the environmental journalist) is a Brexiteer. Feh.

by Anonymousreply 132April 25, 2024 1:19 AM

I know everyone processes trauma and situations differently but he engaged with his stalker and his rapist a lot more than the average person would or should.

The fact that he had a one night stand with her and masturbated to her photo smack dab in the middle of the stalking ordeal and then returned to his rapist's apartment after having been violated by him multiple times and agreeing to work with him shows that like his stalker and rapist he too is severely stunted with poor impulse control and an even poorer sense of boundaries.

He also comes across as a bit of a sex addict who possibly has a rape fantasy since he became addicted to gay porn and starting fucking other guys left and right after being repeatedly assaulted by that creep.

by Anonymousreply 133April 25, 2024 6:08 AM

[quote]The fact that he had a one night stand with her

He didn't have sex with her. That was a fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 134April 25, 2024 6:32 AM

The very brief moment (as part of a montage of other events) where he’s seen holding a picture of Martha and appears to be jerking off seems like it was a sort of mistake. Or poorly edited. It’s given a lot of people the wrong idea.

In conversation I’ve had with lots of people about the show they’ve claimed he had sex with her based on that scene. I tell them (nerd here) that no, he’s just masturbating to a photo of her and he thinks it really weird, and that inspires him to finally have proper sex with Terri. They always say they’ll “have to go back and watch it again.”

I think that brief moment in the show is misleading if you aren’t paying attention.

by Anonymousreply 135April 25, 2024 11:47 AM

R127 Go on…

by Anonymousreply 136April 25, 2024 11:48 AM

There’s a lot of speculation and clue-connecting on the Sam Bain as the rapist theory here.

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by Anonymousreply 137April 25, 2024 11:55 AM

Just binged all of it last night. I was going to just watch E1. Thought he was a fool, then ended up watching it all the way through. It was really good, but felt one episode too long. What I love is that he's as cray-cray as her.

The show was the best representation of what and why so many stars fell for Weinstein, Spacey, Singer, etc.

Also, this felt like it took inspiration, in the adaptation to TV (It was a play) by I May Destroy You. Now that was one wild ride if you can stick it out. Full of unlikeable characters, but really pulling it all together in the end.

Baby Reindeer was an unusual bit of quality TV from Netflix.

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by Anonymousreply 138April 25, 2024 11:56 AM

r133 is an idiot. He didn't have a one-night stand with her. It was showing you the fantasy going through his head as he jerked off. he even made it crystal clear in the scene's narration.

by Anonymousreply 139April 25, 2024 11:59 AM

More on Sam Bain here. I’m a fan of PEEP SHOW and noticed these details but didn’t piece it together:

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by Anonymousreply 140April 25, 2024 11:59 AM

Richard Gadd’s new protectors / newly minted stalkers are going to make any rapist / screen writer suspects into a living hell by doxxing him and ruining his life.

by Anonymousreply 141April 25, 2024 1:14 PM

[quote] You probably haven’t had very much time to reflect on your experiences. Are you okay?

[quote] It’s definitely time for a holiday… I’ve been going hammer and tongs for almost a decade now and that does certainly take its toll. But at the same time, I’ve reached a phenomenal level of understanding through doing it this way. If I go back to Monkey See, Monkey Do, coming clean about the sexual abuse I went through was more helpful than any therapy.

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by Anonymousreply 142April 26, 2024 2:22 PM

[quote] There's a sense that fact-finding in true crime creates closure - a neat package of beginning, middle and end. But real-life trauma doesn't have closure, it has evolution. And for Gadd, creating Baby Reindeer (and its pre-cursor Monkey See, Monkey Do) was a way of processing his suffering into something close to healing. Having his story be the biggest show on Netflix right now will already inevitably stir up levels of guilt, shame and discomfort. The no-holds-barred amateur sleuthing from fans risks putting him in the position of having to apologise for sharing his story so sensitively in the first place.

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by Anonymousreply 143April 26, 2024 2:59 PM

THis response in the article in R142 makes me think the real stalker is dead:

[quote]Your stalker might watch Baby Reindeer. What do you think she’ll make of it?

[quote]I honestly couldn’t speak as to whether she would watch it. Her reactions to things varied so much that I almost couldn't predict how she’d react to anything. She was quite an idiosyncratic person. We’ve gone to such great lengths to disguise her to the point that I don’t think she would recognise herself. What’s been borrowed is an emotional truth, not a fact-by-fact profile of someone.

Notice how he never talks about her in the present tense? Even "I don't think she would recognise herself" would work as an answer to: "If your stalker were still alive, would she realise 'Martha' was based on her?"

by Anonymousreply 144April 26, 2024 3:14 PM

It’s shitty then that he did used the same language for Martha as another fan did on Twitter who has a still functioning Facebook account.

by Anonymousreply 145April 26, 2024 3:36 PM

Fiona Grant IS his stalker r145

by Anonymousreply 146April 26, 2024 3:45 PM

R117 / r119

I’ve searched through the Comedy Central archives and it does not have MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO

This podcast, which dates to February 2020, is an in depth discussion about Richard Gadd’s psyche while he writing and performing MONKEY SEE and BABY REINDEER, and it is quite something. I’m a black hearted bastard and even found this emotionally difficult to listen to.

In this discussion, Richard Gadd talks about a well known technical profession named Matt Brooks that has the entire month long run of MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO on tape. With the worldwide success of Netflix’s BABY REINDEER, I’ll bet Netflix will pay a shitload for those tapes or buy the play from Comedy Central

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by Anonymousreply 147April 27, 2024 1:44 AM

It's too fat.

by Anonymousreply 148April 27, 2024 1:48 AM

Real Martha is still crazy.

But the woman in question, who denied being a stalker when it was put to her by The Mail, said: 'Richard Gadd has got 'main character syndrome'.

'He always thinks he's at the centre of things. I'm not writing shows about him or promoting them in the media, am I? If he wanted me to be properly anonymous, he could have done so. Gadd should leave me alone.'

She said she is considering taking legal action against him.

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by Anonymousreply 149April 27, 2024 2:56 PM

R149 Expose him, queen!

She should make her own version of events. Netflix, are you listening?

by Anonymousreply 150April 27, 2024 3:25 PM

According to wikipedia Richard Gadd is bisexual. Does that just mean that he's bi since he fucks trans girls?

by Anonymousreply 151April 27, 2024 4:07 PM

The show explores that he fucked men as well. Fucking trans girls means, to me, pansexual. But yes, he says he's bi.

by Anonymousreply 152April 27, 2024 4:32 PM

The trans actor would be a marvellous Jackie Kennedy. Same mannish features.

by Anonymousreply 153April 27, 2024 4:33 PM

5 minutes from the play

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by Anonymousreply 154April 27, 2024 5:38 PM

I thought it was great. It really delved into the complexities of how sexual abuse and rape traumatize the brain. The show didn't try to fit all the pieces together nicely and it didn't give the viewers a resolution, which I appreciated.

As someone familiar with BPD, it struck me that Gadd may have it. The empty feeling he alludes to, the recklessness, the need for admiration - all traits of a borderline personality. Regardless, he's an excellent writer and performer. Personality disordered people get a bum rap. Many artists suffer from such ailments.

I wonder if other victims of the predatory writer will come forward.

by Anonymousreply 155April 27, 2024 6:33 PM

I’m actually curious about the non-chronological order of the series in just the one episode where he was assaulted (episode 4). I almost forgot about Martha!

I wonder how it would have flowed if that was the first episode, then the girlfriend troubles, living with his ex’s mom, tries to be a comedian, eventually works in a pub, then we would see later in life why he was so malleable to Martha.

Episode 4 is a big pause, and temporary jump-back.

by Anonymousreply 156April 27, 2024 8:24 PM

R156 That would have been a very heavy episode to open with.

by Anonymousreply 157April 27, 2024 8:27 PM

I always like my stories to start off with anal rape!

by Anonymousreply 158April 27, 2024 8:33 PM

There's gay anal rape? I'll add this to my must-see list now.

by Anonymousreply 159April 27, 2024 8:41 PM

[quote]I’m actually curious about the non-chronological order of the series in just the one episode where he was assaulted (episode 4).

I liked the placement of that episode as it acts as a revelation on that event from years earlier informs how/why he engaged with Martha and why he drags his feet on going to the police. It's all jumbled together in my mind now so I don't know if this is from the series or one of Gadd's interviews, but his attitude was if he didn't go to the police on a man who was an actual predator, why would he go to the police about a woman who is doing things out of mental illness.

Episode 4 shows how it impacted his feelings about his sexuality and why he looks for validation, so it really served to paint a bigger picture of his actions/inactions.

by Anonymousreply 160April 27, 2024 8:48 PM

Hmm.

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by Anonymousreply 161April 27, 2024 9:10 PM

In the r149 article, Gadd is saying not to try and figure out who the stalker is. But unless it’s a famous person, how can anyone except those close to him attempt to figure it out?

by Anonymousreply 162April 28, 2024 12:59 AM

[quote]In the [R149] article, Gadd is saying not to try and figure out who the stalker is. But unless it’s a famous person, how can anyone except those close to him attempt to figure it out?

Viewers have been trying to figure it out using what was shown in the series. That's why he had to ask them to stop speculating on Sean Foley. People were looking at Gadd's work and looking at certain phrases the show lays out to try to discern who his rapist and stalker were.

by Anonymousreply 163April 28, 2024 1:23 AM

R98 So you didn't finish the show because you found the cast unattractive? GOTCHA

by Anonymousreply 164April 28, 2024 10:32 AM

This sums up the real life Martha situation as it stands now, and points out a few facts and photos I was unaware of:

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by Anonymousreply 165April 28, 2024 12:31 PM

She apparently is planning on suing.

by Anonymousreply 166April 28, 2024 12:38 PM

Does anyone have a link to her actual FB account where she’s posting stuff about Richard Gadd? I see a lot of fake Fiona Harvey fb accounts and re-posts but can’t find the actual account.

by Anonymousreply 167April 28, 2024 12:40 PM

Yes, or just her Facebook name. I also can’t find it.

by Anonymousreply 168April 28, 2024 12:41 PM

I’m pretty sure this is it

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by Anonymousreply 169April 28, 2024 12:46 PM

Damn, that account at R160 sure sounds just like Martha on the show. The incessant posting every few minutes about inane details, the constant misspellings, the obsessions about various tiny things, the defensiveness.

by Anonymousreply 170April 28, 2024 2:00 PM

Just skimming through the photos uploaded on the FB page at R169 it would be quite easy for someone in Camden(istan) to identify where she lives from the frequent photos of the park over the road.

by Anonymousreply 171April 28, 2024 2:29 PM

25th March 2023: This pain in the ass mentally ill hairdresser London luxe Camden Amy avoid avoid told me green and blue don't go she's a ct nasty little Kosovan horrid spoilt plastic face she offended customers so much she had to close she aye wore black

by Anonymousreply 172April 28, 2024 2:38 PM

I’m in the beginning of episode 4. It’s very compelling but I am having trouble because I agree with R41. I would have gotten professional help when I found out a seriously deranged person was stalking me. Maybe the rest of the series will help me understand Donny better.

by Anonymousreply 173April 28, 2024 2:42 PM

Just you wait ^

by Anonymousreply 174April 28, 2024 2:51 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 175April 28, 2024 9:49 PM

I think this is the first official story clearly stating Fiona Harvey/Muir is Martha.

I linked to an old news report at R73. It’s the same victim with the disabled child.

There really was no effort to change the stalker’s back story.

by Anonymousreply 176April 28, 2024 9:54 PM

Ugh, this is messed up. I know she's the bad guy here but for someone so mentally ill to be in the spotlight like this is too much.

by Anonymousreply 177April 28, 2024 10:28 PM

Wow, this is just getting better and better.

by Anonymousreply 178April 28, 2024 10:47 PM

Soon the rapist will unalive himself !

Real life Martha goes on a stabbing rampage!

Richard will immediately start writing Baby Reindeer 2: Martha Got Gunned Down On The Edinburgh Square And I’m Fully Gay

by Anonymousreply 179April 29, 2024 12:24 AM

R36 Teri was not seemingly flawless. Did you see those eyebrows?

Fiona’s FB page is gone. It’s dangerous for her to get thrust into the spotlight like this but on the other hand she has a bottomless need for attention and this could shut her up.

by Anonymousreply 180April 29, 2024 5:09 AM

R180 And Teri was built like a linebacker

Which he is

Because he’s a man

Undoubtedly Richard Gadd was always the bottom for the real life Teri

by Anonymousreply 181April 29, 2024 5:25 AM

The FB page is still there.

I took All The music exams at school And have voice cello and piano

I had lessons through the school

He knows all This cos we discussed it

He knows I can Write

He knows I have a photographic memory

There is no excuse for his behaviour

I watched good dramas etc

He knows I'd never watch mad nonsense for twenty year olds

So just because I went to law school Does not mean I'm Without talent

He ribbed me about singing like susan boyle

I can but I can Also do classical Stuff

Just because I don't doesn't mean I can't

I went t

by Anonymousreply 182April 29, 2024 6:30 AM

I want to see a JFK biopic with the actress who played Teri playing Jackie.

by Anonymousreply 183April 29, 2024 9:30 AM

I has everything Datalounge hates: fat women. trans women and Eldergays.

by Anonymousreply 184April 29, 2024 11:59 AM

Wasn’t the stalker convinced in a court of law? Surely hearing records are publicly available in the UK? How difficult would it be to search the author’s name and stalking?

by Anonymousreply 185April 29, 2024 12:07 PM

Fiona Harvey 9m

Meanwhile I'd like to get on with very important things in my life. I'm not some glasgow uni dropout playwright. I'm Not a big fat actress playing. A stalker I'm Pretty damn busy in my own life thank you

by Anonymousreply 186April 29, 2024 3:09 PM

R185 meet R176

The Sun have now officially confirmed the stalker is Fiona Harvey.

She is 58, a whopping 24 years older than Richard Gadd.

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by Anonymousreply 187April 29, 2024 3:10 PM

[quote] And in her latest update, she blasted: "Gadd is no Brad Pitt."

Okay, so you think you're a big Netflix star now? That don't impress me much!

by Anonymousreply 188April 29, 2024 3:20 PM

The actor is sexy in an offbeat way. I watched the first episode but will not watch more. I don't want to spend time in this story with these characters.

by Anonymousreply 189April 29, 2024 3:24 PM

This is all getting messy!

by Anonymousreply 190April 29, 2024 3:24 PM

Yeah… and so much for Gadd’s assistance in multiple interviews claiming they altered her character so drastically she’s nearly unrecognizable from the real person.

She’ll practically a clone!

by Anonymousreply 191April 29, 2024 3:26 PM

Also, wasn’t he saying in interviews that “the way things turned out” he was sure nothing would come of further danger from his stalker or repercussions from the show… alluding to some sort of closure hidden from the audience or plot line?

It appears to me she’s very much just out there and is still a loose cannon!

by Anonymousreply 192April 29, 2024 3:29 PM

Richard had better a get a body guard, because Fiona WILL NOT BE IGNORED

by Anonymousreply 193April 29, 2024 3:32 PM

Meant to watch one episode and the rest later, if I liked it...watched 4 episodes in a row and looking forward to the final 3 later. Its good entertainment..and makes you think. Well done to the actor and writer Gadd...glad for him that its provinga big hit.

by Anonymousreply 194April 29, 2024 3:36 PM

[quote]“I have a photographic memory and can memorise huge files. I was top in my school at everything."

She sounds unwell. I mean her past actions show that obviously but still, it seems cruel to put her on blast all over Netflix when she's mental.

Sounds like Gadd had a very naive grasp of the Internet's detecting abilities.

by Anonymousreply 195April 29, 2024 7:36 PM

If there is anything else I need to clarify be sure and tell me I've been wantin to set the record straight oh and by the way I knew gadd googled the article years ago because folk who hated hi m told me years ago. They drank in the hawley arms Nd he owed them money. I didn't know he'd written a play till

It was announced on

Bbc breaking new s five years ago hed done it at the fringe

I no longer went into the hawley arms After he had a manic attack

At me one day but week

After week he'd berate me in their that is been in the newspapers

I found this put from staff and customers so

Did friends of mine who all

Want the pub shut down asa

by Anonymousreply 196April 29, 2024 11:47 PM

R185 Highly doubt it. Privacy laws are a lot stricter over there.

by Anonymousreply 197April 29, 2024 11:55 PM

Why isn't she on Datalounge?

by Anonymousreply 198April 30, 2024 12:07 AM

maybe she is r198. There be loonies here.

by Anonymousreply 199April 30, 2024 12:11 AM

We’d “oh dear” Fiona into oblivion

by Anonymousreply 200April 30, 2024 12:12 AM

R198 R199 R200 The bad spelling and grammar would be a dead giveaway. Plus she'd be posting new threads left and right all hours of the day and trying to flirt with everyone.

by Anonymousreply 201April 30, 2024 12:21 AM

I'm pretty sure she's in the Heartstopper threads.

by Anonymousreply 202April 30, 2024 12:29 AM

I hope Jessica Gunning wins the BAFTA and Emmy. She’s brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 203April 30, 2024 12:59 AM

^ I have a purse she can carry on the red carpets.

by Anonymousreply 204April 30, 2024 1:11 AM

Did he ever say why he liked Trans?

by Anonymousreply 205April 30, 2024 2:25 AM

R205 I think he is an equal opportunist. He admitted in the show that he's into some pretty weird stuff. He was going to bath houses and getting fucked in bathroom stalls.

by Anonymousreply 206April 30, 2024 4:22 AM

The Facebook page linked has been posting since mid 2023 so it’s highly unlikely that anyone created the profile in preparation for the show being a massive hit.

by Anonymousreply 207April 30, 2024 6:27 AM

R206 I think he identifies as pan.

by Anonymousreply 208April 30, 2024 7:18 AM

[quote]He admitted in the show that he's into some pretty weird stuff. He was going to bath houses and getting fucked in bathroom stalls.

I just took that as out of control behavior resulting from the guy who gave him drugs rather than a specific choice. But I’m only halfway through the show.

by Anonymousreply 209April 30, 2024 1:15 PM

[quote]I think he identifies as pansexual.

No. Bisexual.

Interviewer: As your journey with your identity still something that you are working on?

I think the easiest thing is to say bisexual, but it’s a journey. I sometimes change with the tide. I feel very strongly for both. I think we’re just learning to see the world in different ways and not be so rigid about it. And I feel like I’m constantly in a state of flux with my sexuality. Some days I feel a certain way and other days I feel other ways. But every time I land on one, my brain flies off to the other. It’s almost like a restlessness. But maybe that’s what bisexuality is.

I realised quite early on that I used to say, ‘Oh, you have to be one or the other.’ And I believed it was going to be easier for me if I pick one. I tried to identify both ways in my time, and it never worked for me as much as bisexual, really.

by Anonymousreply 210April 30, 2024 1:28 PM

The interview with the wife of the MP at R175, and her past experiences with this woman, is very concerning.

by Anonymousreply 211April 30, 2024 1:32 PM

Fiona is a nut

by Anonymousreply 212April 30, 2024 3:39 PM

I liked this a lot, it is indeed something completely different. A reason for this is because is based on a true story. Scripted tv wouldn’t allow for this two main themes and events of stalking and abuse merging this way, it tends to be more thematically uniform.

It was also a harrowing experience. It took me a while to see the first episodes because he does so many things wrong that you jusr want to scream at him. Episode 4 provides some clarity to this.

I also find him very hot (and can see people find him ugly as well). Stalking and abuse is not necessarily related to beauty or even physical attraction but one thing that is somewhat missing from the series is how clever he is and that is why he can attract so many people (most of the series is he wondering around looking shocked).

Also, very clever how he questions his role in both events and how he keeps repeating obsessive, unhealthy patterns. There is no happy ending.

Finally, i would agree that the sex scene with the stalker is a little bit confusing (it is a phantasy not immediately clear as so).

by Anonymousreply 213April 30, 2024 10:02 PM

R213, I’ve read that abusers are drawn to people who’ve already been abused, that they can sense their vulnerability. That’s what made Gadd attractive to Fiona: he was a damaged, tormented person who she could manipulate. It was going to be hard for him to fight back.

by Anonymousreply 214April 30, 2024 11:13 PM

I think this show sort of falls apart in the final act. I thought the parents were sort of stupid as characters. Their acceptance seemed contrived, especially the father. I have a feeling that towards the end, he just falls back on the work he did on his one man show rather than fleshing out the story for the screen.

Does nobody ever suggest that maybe he should get some mental counseling? Wouldn’t the NHS give him some counseling?

by Anonymousreply 215May 1, 2024 1:41 AM

I honestly thought the bartender in the final scene was gay and Donny was going to stalk him.

by Anonymousreply 216May 1, 2024 5:50 AM

[quote]He admitted in the show that he's into some pretty weird stuff. He was going to bathhouses and getting fucked in bathroom stalls.

What is so weird about that?

by Anonymousreply 217May 1, 2024 12:34 PM

Sounds like typical behavior for any urban gay man r217

by Anonymousreply 218May 1, 2024 12:37 PM

Spoiler: in real life did he go back to his abuser?

by Anonymousreply 219May 1, 2024 12:41 PM

[QUOTE] I honestly thought the bartender in the final scene was gay and Donny was going to stalk him.

I thought that was the impression we were supposed to be getting from that final scene: the stalkee may now become the stalker. I don’t think it was accidental that the bartender was played by a very good-looking man.

by Anonymousreply 220May 1, 2024 2:55 PM

To be fair, the bartender was very stalkable.

by Anonymousreply 221May 1, 2024 5:31 PM

What bartender is going to give a patron a free "double rum & coke"? In the beginning, with Donny it was just a cup of tea.

by Anonymousreply 222May 1, 2024 6:17 PM

Donny was much more sexy than fat Martha, hence he deserved that drink

by Anonymousreply 223May 1, 2024 6:34 PM

I get the interpretation about stalking the bartender but, to me was his realization that, at a time he was so fragile and broken, that exactsamw kindness from the bartendee made him see Martha’s viewpoint for the first time and start to understand her better.

by Anonymousreply 224May 1, 2024 9:53 PM

**Spoiler alert**. Don’t read beyond this if you haven’t watched the show to the end.

I’d actually like to see a sequel about Martha after she gets out of jail. Does she go back to him or latch on to someone else? I find her character more interesting than Donny.

by Anonymousreply 225May 1, 2024 9:58 PM

in real life the stalker never went to jail, apparently. weird tale all around.

by Anonymousreply 226May 2, 2024 1:53 AM

R226, the stalker had two orders of protection taken out against her, the second one by Gadd, and she abided by both of them. She did have control over what she was doing.

by Anonymousreply 227May 2, 2024 2:12 AM

In real life, how did Gadd meet the stalker?

by Anonymousreply 228May 2, 2024 2:57 AM

[quote]In real life, how did Gadd meet the stalker?

At a pub where he worked. That bit is true. She said she couldn't afford a drink so he gave her a drink for free.

by Anonymousreply 229May 2, 2024 4:00 AM

[quote]At a pub where he worked. That bit is true. She said she couldn't afford a drink so he gave her a drink for free.

I would think he’d try to disguise the story a bit more. The real woman has a right to complain.

by Anonymousreply 230May 2, 2024 12:58 PM

[quote] The real woman has a right to complain.

The stalker gave up her rights to complain when she made Richard Gadd’s, and his parents, life hell r230

Fuck around and find out

by Anonymousreply 231May 2, 2024 3:35 PM

Agree, R230. Perhaps she should have gotten some help. Stalking,/harassment is illegal not to mention pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 232May 2, 2024 4:40 PM

Not all attention is good attention. Now Richard Gadd has opened himself up to criticism.

Richard Gadd, the creator and star of hit Netflix series Baby Reindeer, has faced questions about his professional conduct after dating a transgender actress who intended to audition for his show.

The actor was investigated and ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing by Baby Reindeer producer Clerkenwell Films after a romantic liaison in 2021 with Reece Lyons, who was interested in playing the role of Gadd’s ex-girlfriend Teri in the stalker drama.

Lyons went public with her experience on Twitter (now X) soon after Baby Reindeer premiered. She did not name Gadd or directly reference Baby Reindeer, but Deadline has verified his identity. Gadd declined to comment, while Lyons did not wish to comment beyond her X thread.

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by Anonymousreply 233May 3, 2024 2:54 PM

Trannies lie and the main motivation, especially for a tranny actor, is ALWAYS attention r233

He didn’t get the part and now he is score settling

by Anonymousreply 234May 3, 2024 3:44 PM

Exactly, R234. Also, I really liked the trans actress they chose for the part so it all worked out.

by Anonymousreply 235May 3, 2024 3:49 PM

Agree. I think the trans actress that played the part of Teri on the show was very interesting and believable and seemed like a real person.

I looked this one up with the complaint, and (based on appearances) she seems like a skinny, blond, Karashian kind of mindset. Yawn.

by Anonymousreply 236May 3, 2024 4:52 PM

A Daily Mail journalist who investigated Fiona is now being stalked by her.

At this point it's complaining your hand got ripped off by a lion after poking it.

by Anonymousreply 237May 3, 2024 5:08 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 238May 3, 2024 5:08 PM

[quote] I’d actually like to see a sequel about Martha after she gets out of jail. Does she go back to him or latch on to someone else? I find her character more interesting than Donny

I agree her character is more interesting but at the same time this takes it into standard Lifetime movie territory.

by Anonymousreply 239May 3, 2024 5:34 PM

Richard Osman, the TV presenter and erstwhile comedy producer, set hares running this week when he said that the true identity of Gadd’s fictional abuser, Darrien O’Connor, had for years been widely known in comic circles. Gadd had been “very open to people in the industry about who that person was”, he said on his podcast, The Rest is Entertainment. “So people in the industry know who that person was.”

“Obviously that person has never been prosecuted; he has never gone to trial,” Osman added. “But everyone knows who he is talking about.”

Several innocent men have been falsely accused of being the real-life O’Connor, but the episode serves to highlight something bigger: although it has been almost seven years since the #MeToo movement kicked off, comedy is one of the few remaining showbiz industries that has not had a reckoning. Could this now be the time?

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by Anonymousreply 240May 4, 2024 6:52 AM

I also saw Reece Lyons in Overflow. She is an actress of limited capabilities.

by Anonymousreply 241May 4, 2024 7:07 AM

[quote]true identity of Gadd’s fictional abuser, Darrien O’Connor, had for years been widely known in comic circles

Is it Ricky Gervais?

by Anonymousreply 242May 4, 2024 11:45 AM

I’m lost (can’t read the article under paywall). So has the identity of the abuser been revealed? Is it Sam Bain the guy who produced PEEP SHOW?

by Anonymousreply 243May 4, 2024 11:54 AM

[quote]Is it Sam Bain the guy who produced PEEP SHOW?

Sam Bain is married since 2007. I got the idea Darrien O’Connor was single.

by Anonymousreply 244May 4, 2024 12:02 PM

Baby Reindeer this, Baby Reindeer that – everyone and their hairdresser is talking about this show. Can't wait for this craze to end, it's shining undue spotlight on us stalkers. Just leave us alone, we're not hurting anyone. Well, we are, but you know what I mean.

by Anonymousreply 245May 4, 2024 12:55 PM

So the “open secret” is that the sexual assaulter is Sam Bain, yes or no?

by Anonymousreply 246May 4, 2024 3:20 PM

This series spoke to a common thread we see in folks today confused about their sexuality. Going through an intense period of substance abuse and sexual addiction and coming out the other side.

by Anonymousreply 247May 4, 2024 3:30 PM

Sam Bain has never denied it in the last two weeks, so…

by Anonymousreply 248May 4, 2024 3:30 PM

[quote]Sam Bain has never denied it in the last two weeks, so…

He’s not been publicly named. Why deny something when you haven’t been accused?

by Anonymousreply 249May 4, 2024 3:37 PM

Gadd didn’t do enough masking to hide the woman stalker so this guy is probably as equally thinly masked. Otherwise, I’d say Kevin Spacey.

It has to be someone who knows enough about the stage because this guy helped Gadd with his stage technique.

by Anonymousreply 250May 4, 2024 3:43 PM

Watched the love of my life watch this in his living room the other day. Looked interesting enough, might check out the full thing. That yellow jacket the actor is wearing in the promo pic is so nice. I don't think I could pull it off though, it would clash with my bleached hair.

by Anonymousreply 251May 4, 2024 4:31 PM

I thought it was Dame Edna.

by Anonymousreply 252May 4, 2024 4:57 PM

R251 are you ok?

by Anonymousreply 253May 4, 2024 7:43 PM

R253, back away slowly. You’re asking a stalker if they’re ok.

by Anonymousreply 254May 4, 2024 7:49 PM

Just finished it watching. Loved it. It is an incredible story.

by Anonymousreply 255May 5, 2024 12:27 AM

I was hoping he would come home to find Martha boiling a rabbit in his kitchen. Maybe they’re saving that bit for the sequel.

by Anonymousreply 256May 5, 2024 12:53 AM

So who’s the abuser?

by Anonymousreply 257May 5, 2024 2:28 PM

Sam “Shit Finger” Bain r257

by Anonymousreply 258May 5, 2024 3:36 PM

Will there be a rebuttal Nexflix series? casting choices?

by Anonymousreply 259May 5, 2024 3:39 PM

Just binge-watched this yesterday. I thought the first episode was slow, but I get they had to develop the characters. By the third ep, I was hooked. It was a great series - curious if it will be honored at the Emmys ?

If you haven't watched it yet, put it on your 'to do' list !

by Anonymousreply 260May 6, 2024 10:59 PM

[QUOTE] It was a great series - curious if it will be honored at the Emmys ?

I would say it’s the frontrunner at the moment in any category it competes in with Jessica Gunning an almost lock for Supporting Actress in a Limited Series/TV Movie/Anthology.

by Anonymousreply 261May 7, 2024 4:39 PM

Then you are blind and deaf r235 and r236. That actress had such enormously wide hips that they had to shoot around them, a rectangular face, the standard irritatingly nasal trans voice, and Jesus h. Christ the eyebrows - thick vampirishly pointed arches and lopsided. Every time she was onscreen I prayed for my own death. She was the worst part of the whole series.

by Anonymousreply 262May 8, 2024 8:38 AM

[quote]Then you are blind and deaf [R235] and [R236]. That actress had such enormously wide hips that they had to shoot around them, a rectangular face, the standard irritatingly nasal trans voice, and Jesus h. Christ the eyebrows - thick vampirishly pointed arches and lopsided. Every time she was onscreen I prayed for my own death. She was the worst part of the whole series.

The actor who played Teri/Terry was obviously a male who identified as a woman. The performance itself was fine and fitted in with the rest of the story and explained why a bisexual man would be attracted to a woman who is obviously male.

It’s one of the few portrayals of a trans person that seemed authentic, ie the person doesn’t ‘pass’ like most trans women don’t.

by Anonymousreply 263May 8, 2024 12:12 PM

I just finished the second episode and am not sure if I can continue to even hate-watch it. The Gadd character’s decisions and judgement are so incredibly stupid it defies belief. Does it get better, or will it be five more torturous episodes?

by Anonymousreply 264May 8, 2024 2:42 PM

The “why” behind his terrible decisions gets explained, R264 — but it doesn’t make it much better.

by Anonymousreply 265May 8, 2024 2:47 PM

R262, MARY! Who upset you so??

by Anonymousreply 266May 8, 2024 2:49 PM

Leave it to Piers Morgan to give a loon a platform.

The real-life Martha from Baby Reindeer breaks cover and gives me her first TV interview about the smash hit Netflix show. Fiona Harvey wants to have her say & ‘set the record straight.’ Is she a psycho stalker?

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by Anonymousreply 267May 8, 2024 4:17 PM

Baby Reindeer is turning into a whole saga

Fiona will probably stab Piers on air and then strip to reveal that she’s got a bomb vest underneath her sagging tits and demand that Richard Gadd be brought to her

by Anonymousreply 268May 8, 2024 4:23 PM

Wow. She could not look more in-character.

by Anonymousreply 269May 8, 2024 4:29 PM

A direct link to the Twitter promo (with pic):

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by Anonymousreply 270May 8, 2024 4:35 PM

R270 Roseanne-bot

by Anonymousreply 271May 8, 2024 4:36 PM

I love the sub-headline, “Is she a psycho-stalker?”

What is this, Jerry Springer?

by Anonymousreply 272May 8, 2024 4:37 PM

R272 No, that would be classy by comparison.

by Anonymousreply 273May 8, 2024 4:50 PM

That fat stalker in the pic at R267 has the cray-cray eyes.

by Anonymousreply 274May 8, 2024 5:18 PM

Of course Piers Morgan is promoting a stalker

by Anonymousreply 275May 8, 2024 5:22 PM

The scene where he breaks down on stage crying is so cringeworthy I almost had a heart attack on his behalf.

by Anonymousreply 276May 9, 2024 2:03 AM

So does he become like her at the end and start stalking the bartender who gave him the free drink?

by Anonymousreply 277May 9, 2024 3:41 AM

That’s not how I read it, R277. I thought it implied that when we encounter other people the smallest acts - even those made out of kindness and compassion - can have unintended consequences. Mostly they don’t, but other people are ultimately unknowable and nobody knows what anybody else is dealing with. Therefore go through the world with gentleness and care.

I’ve never been compelled to stalk anybody who’s ever been kind towards me. But I think what the ending was saying was: there but for the grace of God go I.

by Anonymousreply 278May 9, 2024 8:31 AM

[quote] The trans woman is the only sane character.

Of course.

by Anonymousreply 279May 9, 2024 8:44 AM

[quote] Watched the love of my life watch this in his living room the other day. Looked interesting enough,

🙄

by Anonymousreply 280May 9, 2024 8:46 AM

Critical Drinker’s review

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by Anonymousreply 281May 9, 2024 2:41 PM

I can't watch more than a 60 second clip.

Like laughing at John Merrick.

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by Anonymousreply 282May 9, 2024 7:18 PM

Piers' post-interview thoughts.

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by Anonymousreply 283May 9, 2024 7:32 PM

Not reading that but of course she's a victim - the show made that clear.

She's clearly mentally unwell.

by Anonymousreply 284May 9, 2024 7:37 PM

R279 is probably a Republican. They call Hollywood "hollyweird" while watching Hollywood movies and shows all day long. This was made by a Brit so it's hardly "Hollywood" anyway

by Anonymousreply 285May 9, 2024 7:56 PM

Morgan is right about this:

[quote]All of which points to a spectacular duty-of-care failure by Netflix, Gadd and Clerkenwell Films, which produced the series, which I would think carries with it serious legal jeopardy.

But he shouldn't have put her on TV to be gawked at. She's not well.

by Anonymousreply 286May 9, 2024 8:31 PM

She could have denied being the stalker who made Richard Gadd, his parents and his loved ones lived hell for two years r286

Richard Gadd has no responsibility for this crazy cunts behavior

Fiona should be executed humanely.

Fuck around and find out.

by Anonymousreply 287May 9, 2024 11:57 PM

R287, but is this humane? If someone torments you for years and the police won’t help you, you’d probably be justified in disposing of them in some quick, quiet way. But this feels like Gadd is pulling this woman back in for another round of insanity, only this time with a huge audience.

by Anonymousreply 288May 10, 2024 12:12 AM

She could have refused interviews and not gone on TV r288

She’s a legally competent adult. She has no one else to blame.

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by Anonymousreply 289May 10, 2024 12:22 AM

Everyone’s a victim. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 290May 10, 2024 12:26 AM

“…stalking is in vogue, going to prison is in vogue…”

by Anonymousreply 291May 10, 2024 12:28 AM

Wow. Just watched the interview and, as someone who loved the show and is very invested in the story… I’m speechless.

I may add some thoughts to this thread later but for now I’m just kinda stunned.

by Anonymousreply 292May 10, 2024 12:30 AM

If you enjoyed the interview I recommend the Piers piece in the Post article posted a few down.

Hearing his thoughts on the whole thing after interviewing her put it in a more farmable context for my mind.

by Anonymousreply 293May 10, 2024 1:33 AM

I think Gadd has told the truth about some things but greatly exaggerated or made up other things to turn it into a hit show.

I think Fiona is now telling the truth about some things but greatly exaggerating or making up (or playing down) other things, having a hit show basically based on her.

This entire hornet’s nest of dysfunction and half truths has now been thrust into the spotlight with all of its scrutiny, and we’ll probably be hearing a lot more from both of them.

Yay?

by Anonymousreply 294May 10, 2024 1:38 AM

It is weird how the show is basically all about her and now that she’s speaking out about it, the common consensus seems to be that she’s crazy so no one should believe her. The end.

Even if she’s half lying I kind of am impressed that she came forward like this and do think it’s brave. She’s clearly scatterbrained and hardly media savvy. The whole thing is just weird.

by Anonymousreply 295May 10, 2024 1:42 AM

R294, all I’m sure of is that the Black Mirror showrunners must be furious that they didn’t think of this first.

by Anonymousreply 296May 10, 2024 1:43 AM

Her point about 41,000 emails being so excessive it can’t possibly be true isn’t an unbelievable one.

4,100 would be a more believable number, and still a stalker crazy amount.

Even 410 emails would qualify.

by Anonymousreply 297May 10, 2024 1:45 AM

[quote] Even if she’s half lying I kind of am impressed that she came forward like this and do think it’s brave

Get out here you hysterical stalker uplifting straight fat frau r295

by Anonymousreply 298May 10, 2024 2:15 AM

Is she a lawyer? How did she become one being as cray-cray as she is? How does she make a living these days?

by Anonymousreply 299May 10, 2024 2:26 AM

I'm sure she's not any kind of actual lawyer r299. In her interview she is really reluctant to talk about her grades, her graduation, her actual jobs, anything. She might have a law degree, having managed to scrape through law school in some half-assed way by her own admission, but I doubt she has ever really practiced.

by Anonymousreply 300May 10, 2024 2:34 AM

Yes R299 Fiona was a qualified lawyer.

A qualified lawyer who stalked and harassed a fellow lawyer with a disabled child.

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by Anonymousreply 301May 10, 2024 5:44 AM

[quote]I think Gadd has told the truth about some things but greatly exaggerated or made up other things to turn it into a hit show.

Which is why the series has the standard blurb at the end of each episode: "This program is based on real events: however certain characters, names, incidents, locations, and dialogue have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes."

by Anonymousreply 302May 10, 2024 7:24 AM

[quote] But he shouldn't have put her on TV to be gawked at. She's not well.

She didn’t seem unwell in the interview. I don’t know what you’re talking about. She has every right to defend herself, even if she’s lying. Enough infantilizing.

by Anonymousreply 303May 10, 2024 8:37 AM

Are there articles about the real woman being arrested for stalking like in the show?

by Anonymousreply 304May 10, 2024 8:37 AM

I had to turn this thing off. No way it should have been 7 episodes. You get the point in the first episode.

by Anonymousreply 305May 10, 2024 10:45 AM

[quote] A qualified lawyer who stalked and harassed a fellow lawyer with a disabled child.

What does a disabled child have to do with anything?

by Anonymousreply 306May 10, 2024 10:47 AM

I agree she doesn’t seem “unwell” as much as she seems like a socially maladjusted weirdo, the local town kook that’s annoying to everyone, and they all laugh behind her back. We’ve all known people like this. They can cause real trouble so most people keep a friendly distance. Richard clearly didn’t.

by Anonymousreply 307May 10, 2024 12:52 PM

The way she kept saying that Richard and the actress who played her were doing as many interviews as they could to cash in and make money was very telling.

by Anonymousreply 308May 10, 2024 12:54 PM

The one point where she legit seemed to be lying and flailing in trying to cover it up was when she was talking about the charges years ago from the PM’s wife who had hired her. She was stumbling over her words, looking all over the place and kept repeating complicated legal terms over and over to hide behind.

by Anonymousreply 309May 10, 2024 12:56 PM

I agree, 41,000 emails seems almost impossible. If she did bombard him with emails, texts and voice messages in her obsession I’m sure the number was much lower.

by Anonymousreply 310May 10, 2024 12:57 PM

The Susan Boyles of the world have a new hero.

by Anonymousreply 311May 10, 2024 12:59 PM

Go on morning telly and let them poofs give you a make-over luv!

It’ll do you a world ‘a good it will!

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by Anonymousreply 312May 10, 2024 1:02 PM

I was getting Edith Massey vibes

by Anonymousreply 313May 10, 2024 1:05 PM

Susan Boyle has haggis breath!

by Anonymousreply 314May 10, 2024 1:05 PM

[quote] What does a disabled child have to do with anything?

Ask Richard Gadd - he wrote the script.

by Anonymousreply 315May 10, 2024 1:45 PM

A disabled child was not a part of Baby Reindeer r315

The real life Martha, Fiona, stalked another family before she stalked Richard Gadd

You don’t know what you’re talking about, do you r315

by Anonymousreply 316May 10, 2024 1:54 PM

She’s clearly mentally unwell. Gadd mined his life experiences for entertainment but he’s quite an unreliable narrator stating he made every effort to protect the real identities of Martha and the tv exec rapist. The opposite is true. That actress has Fiona down to a tee and looks like her too!

Netflix were sloppy here. They should offer her a lump sum and an NDA.

by Anonymousreply 317May 10, 2024 2:22 PM

[quote] A disabled child was not a part of Baby Reindeer [R315] The real life Martha, Fiona, stalked another family before she stalked Richard Gadd You don’t know what you’re talking about, do you [R315]

There’s a scene in Baby Reindeer where ‘Donny’ googles ‘Martha’ and sees a story about her stalking someone with a deaf child.

I’m not imagining it - others noticed it too.

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by Anonymousreply 318May 10, 2024 3:00 PM

[quote]Netflix were sloppy here. They should offer her a lump sum and an NDA.

No such thing as bad publicity.

Plus any lawsuits she brings will be tied up in court for years. And if she files in a British court, who knows what the outcome will be.

by Anonymousreply 319May 10, 2024 3:28 PM

No 317

Fiona does not get to profit from her multiple crimes

Soon, one of Richard Gadd’s new stalkers will slit Fiona fat throat

by Anonymousreply 320May 10, 2024 3:30 PM

[quote] Plus any lawsuits she brings will be tied up in court for years. And if she files in a British court, who knows what the outcome will be.

Mary! This isn’t Bleak House hun.

If Fiona sues in an English court the damage to her reputation will be seen as minimal. The portrayal of her was exaggerated but based in truth. She didn’t go to prison, an act that made the character of Martha more pitiful.

Martha was a stalker with serious mental health problems who hates Asians.

by Anonymousreply 321May 10, 2024 3:55 PM

[quote]Are there articles about the real woman being arrested for stalking like in the show?

None that I've seen. I would think if she had an actual record Piers' team would have brought it up.

If she thinks this interview makes her looks good, she's mistaken. She's a nutter for sure. For her to repeatedly say she hasn't seen the show but was told about it, she knew a lot of plot points. And the fact that she knew Jessica Gunning's age and Piers' age shows this woman likes to dig up info on people.

She contradicted herself many times about how much interaction she had with Gadd. If she only met him 3 or so times (over the course of the interview the number went up) and she didn't like him as he interrupted a conversation she was having the first time they met, how ever did she get his phone number to text him? Why would she go to one of his shows? Why would she tweet support of his shows? She copped to having a plush or toy reindeer, how did that come up in conversation with him if they only engaged in banter a few times.

by Anonymousreply 322May 10, 2024 8:18 PM

She won't sue. Too much about herself would go public.

But you never know.

by Anonymousreply 323May 10, 2024 9:57 PM

"If you enjoyed the interview I recommend the Piers piece in the Post article posted a few down."

Ew, why are you promoting Piers? He's a right-wing nut

by Anonymousreply 324May 10, 2024 10:04 PM

Fiona appears to have better hygiene and is a slightly better dresser than the haggard Martha character who lives in a filthy council flat.

Maybe yet another reason she's pissed is because the series falsely portrayed her as slovenly.

by Anonymousreply 325May 11, 2024 2:43 AM

If you look at pictures of Fiona from a few years ago she looks closer to Martha in the show. Her hair is scraggly and she even has a hint of white roots right above the forehead (they even got that small detail right).

by Anonymousreply 326May 11, 2024 1:11 PM

[r6] That was my very first thought as well! "I've mistakenly run to Windsor!"

by Anonymousreply 327May 11, 2024 4:08 PM

If I was a stalker who was outed, I'd kill myself. Of course, there are lower scumbags such as pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. But stalkers are in a class of their own in regards to being pathetic and repellent.

by Anonymousreply 328May 11, 2024 4:38 PM

it must be terrifying to have such a mentally unstable person fixated on you for no reason.

by Anonymousreply 329May 11, 2024 5:06 PM

in the show the stalker even goes after the guy’s parents(tries to get his father fired from his job by accusing him of pedophilia, etc.) i wonder if any of that was true.

by Anonymousreply 330May 11, 2024 5:08 PM

Why would you believe anything a stalker said, about anything related to the person they stalked or their closest contacts? That would be like believing a rapist saying their victim(s) "wanted it".

by Anonymousreply 331May 11, 2024 5:12 PM

R331, try English.

by Anonymousreply 332May 11, 2024 5:25 PM

R326, link to pix.

by Anonymousreply 333May 11, 2024 5:26 PM

R323, the British courts are not the American. There is no first amendment right and any type of slander comes with mandatory fines and even sometimes jail sentences. All she would have to do is go after them for not protecting her which is UK law. They are fucked legally in the UK and the show may end up banned in Europe accordingly.

by Anonymousreply 334May 11, 2024 5:29 PM

[quote][R323], the British courts are not the American. There is no first amendment right and any type of slander comes with mandatory fines and even sometimes jail sentences

No one in Britain (Scotland has a different legal system to England and Wales btw) has ever gone to prison simply for "slandering" someone. People can receive a prison sentence if they keep repeating a slander or libel that has been ruled or if it become harassment.

No one is going to ban the show or take it off streaming. If anything happens Netflix will chuck her some cash and it will all go away.

by Anonymousreply 335May 11, 2024 6:11 PM

"It's a cult thing like the Moonies. I've had to block people who say they are determined to stalk me the same way I am stalking them."

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by Anonymousreply 336May 11, 2024 10:05 PM

I love how in the Piers Morgan interview, when she was watching a scene from the Netflix show she started thinking to herself about the stalking dates that are alleged in the dialogue, as though she was being put on trial herself right on Piers’s show. She has an answer for everything just in case. It’s hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 337May 11, 2024 10:06 PM

R335, books are banned in the UK for potentially libelous material. Many people decide to simply not publish there because of this. It’s happened numerous times. They don’t have a first amendment right to speech unlike the US.

by Anonymousreply 338May 11, 2024 10:07 PM

[quote] What does a disabled child have to do with anything?

IRL she apparently reported the lawyer for abusing his disabled child.

by Anonymousreply 339May 11, 2024 10:26 PM

Which was really cruel r339, basically using the fact that the child had special needs and therefore the parents had to be around him so much against them. She really is a cunt and a half, and deep down she deserves all the shit that is coming her way, despite being kind of crazy. She has a deeply cuntish streak, and sometimes you pay the price for that. She is.

by Anonymousreply 340May 11, 2024 11:59 PM

FUCK

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FIONA

by Anonymousreply 341May 12, 2024 12:41 AM

I’m watching Piers Morgan. I love this crazy woman.

by Anonymousreply 342May 12, 2024 3:03 AM

Piers also has a follow up discussion. The big question is “Why did Netflix claim this a true story” and “Why did they drop the ball?” Amateurs found this woman in minutes, why did Netflix not do the same and fact check what they said was a true story? If the woman never went to prison, that throws a curve to Netflix.

by Anonymousreply 343May 12, 2024 4:11 AM

R266, TERI hurt me. Between the eyebrows the voice, the hips, and the horrendous acting, I was bleeding out like a stuck pig.

by Anonymousreply 344May 12, 2024 6:45 AM

[quote][R335], books are banned in the UK for potentially libelous material. Many people decide to simply not publish there because of this. It’s happened numerous times. They don’t have a first amendment right to speech unlike the US.

Yes, such as the recent Rebel Wilson book.

But I reiterate no one has gone to prison for "slander" as was claimed.

by Anonymousreply 345May 12, 2024 6:49 AM

Everybody's fixated on who the real Martha or the rapist director are. But I want to know if they ever found out who the real Teri is.

by Anonymousreply 346May 12, 2024 8:35 AM

She stalked him for about two years, right?

That’s 730 days. 41000 dividdd by 730 is 56 messages a day. Let’s assume she slept 7 hours (unlikely), that left her with 17 hours a day to send shit. That’s 3 to 4 messages an hour.

On some days she‘d probably send 80 messages (voice notes, emails, texts), on others „only“ 35… it doesn’t matter: 3 to 4 messages an hour is nothing, 41k doesn’t seem too far-fetched.

by Anonymousreply 347May 12, 2024 10:52 AM

And if the emails were anything like they appeared in the series - written and sent as if they were short text messages rather than emails - then the 41,000 number is entirely plausible.

by Anonymousreply 348May 12, 2024 10:54 AM

Piers kept pushing her about what grade she got for her law degree. I felt sorry for her there because I identify. I was in college in the 80s and I don’t remember my gpa. I just remember that I was an average student, not top of the class and not bottom of the class.

If she goes ahead with a lawsuit, I wonder if they’ll call the other employees of the pub. In the show, he implied they were druggies, on the level that at times they couldn’t do their job (I think one time they leave him on his own so they can get drugs). There’s also the incident where they send her an email using his email account. I wonder if they will come forward and admit or deny.

Netflix has already assigned Gadd to another project. I wonder if they will continue to employ him?

by Anonymousreply 349May 12, 2024 12:13 PM

Gadd’s lies are starting to fall apart, just like I said they would weeks ago. He’s the new James Frey.

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by Anonymousreply 350May 12, 2024 12:18 PM

When Donny is looking at Martha’s social media, there are photos of her with notable people, but she is thinner and younger. So, there was some truth to her story about her career? It’s scary to think how she from that to hanging out in the bar all day with nothing to do.

Also, did she remind anyone else of Tania Head?

by Anonymousreply 351May 12, 2024 12:26 PM

Maybe I should watch it again but there were photos of Martha with politicians from the early 2010s - MPs Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband if I remember rightly. The photos did look deliberately photoshopped to me which made me think "oh this is a crazy one, inserting herself into other people's lives" which was backed up by all of the names in her phone list.

It's documented that in the early 2000s Fiona Harvey was stalking a Labour MP and First Minister of Scotland Donald Dewar.

by Anonymousreply 352May 12, 2024 12:31 PM

Martha, you forgot to sign your post “ Sent from iphon” at r350

by Anonymousreply 353May 12, 2024 12:56 PM

[quote]She stalked him for about two years, right?

He claims over four years.

by Anonymousreply 354May 12, 2024 4:33 PM

R349 I think he did that because she claimed to have a photographic memory.

He also really pushed the emails leaving me to think he knows they exist.

I have to say the actress who played Martha really nailed Harvey’s mannerisms.

by Anonymousreply 355May 12, 2024 5:22 PM

[quote]I have to say the actress who played Martha really nailed Harvey’s mannerisms.

Which makes me think that there are voicemails and recordings, possibly even video.

by Anonymousreply 356May 12, 2024 5:31 PM

R351 I just assumed those photos were photoshopped.

by Anonymousreply 357May 12, 2024 5:32 PM

"Don't you fucking touch me!" "You have no right, no right at all!" This is what women should say to men when put in uncompromising positions and say it loudly.

by Anonymousreply 358May 12, 2024 10:35 PM

R350, that author says she’s #TeamFiona. She’s a bleeding heart commie. Pass.

by Anonymousreply 359May 12, 2024 10:51 PM

I wonder if there’s anyone out there who can remember her interrupting Gadd’s comedy act? In the show, she did it at least twice. Whether it be an audience member or club owner or stage manager. I think I’d remember some fat woman yelling very specific things and having to be dragged out of a club.

by Anonymousreply 360May 12, 2024 11:16 PM

Oof, DL's fucked up collective attitude towards sexual assault AND legitimisation of that cunt Piers Morgan on one thread. Just when I think you bitches couldn't outdo yourselves...

by Anonymousreply 361May 13, 2024 5:16 AM

[quote]that author says she’s #TeamFiona. She’s a bleeding heart commie.

Camila Long of the Sunday Times, a commie? That's a new one.

by Anonymousreply 362May 13, 2024 5:39 AM

[quote] Oof, DL's fucked up collective attitude towards sexual assault

Oh, that’s rich coming from a progressive commie.

by Anonymousreply 363May 13, 2024 5:50 AM

I can confirm that whatever intoxicating substance you're using has kicked in and bedtime has arrived, r363.

by Anonymousreply 364May 13, 2024 6:00 AM

I find it rich that a columnist from a Murdoch paper thinks she can pontificate about objective truth.

by Anonymousreply 365May 13, 2024 6:22 AM

R361 Go fuck off back to the Markle threads, Sussex looney.

by Anonymousreply 366May 13, 2024 7:19 AM

[quote]I find it rich that a columnist from a Murdoch paper thinks she can pontificate about objective truth.

Oh fuck off. The Times and Sunday Times have broken a lot of important stories over the years and do fantastic journalism.

by Anonymousreply 367May 13, 2024 7:26 AM

Just another falsehood to add your slag heap of a posting history, r366.

by Anonymousreply 368May 13, 2024 7:42 AM

Anybody who supports this obese butt corn crazy frau IS an obese butt corn crazy frau

by Anonymousreply 369May 13, 2024 12:45 PM

Donny Dunn and Martha at BAFTA awards yesterday

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by Anonymousreply 370May 13, 2024 1:44 PM

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by Anonymousreply 371May 13, 2024 1:46 PM

I kept thinking of DL when I was watching it. So many Marthas.

by Anonymousreply 372May 13, 2024 1:54 PM

[quote] Camila Long of the Sunday Times, a commie? That's a new one.

I know! Of all the hacks…

by Anonymousreply 373May 13, 2024 1:57 PM

i really don’t like richard gadd's hairstyle

by Anonymousreply 374May 14, 2024 4:12 AM

This is the best thing to

by Anonymousreply 375May 14, 2024 11:55 AM

Did anyone watch the Piers Morgan interview. This lady is scary. Also, she has the most annoying speech patterns, and goes “hmmmmmm” as he’s asking questions. She seems to have a real personal dislike of the actress who played Martha.

I’m really curious about what her last job was and when.

by Anonymousreply 376May 14, 2024 4:20 PM

She's probably on "disability", R376.

by Anonymousreply 377May 14, 2024 4:50 PM

[quote]I’m really curious about what her last job was and when.

Piers stayed clear of her work history, but I wanted to know that too. She said she had a boyfriend that she wanted to keep out of it so maybe he’s supporting her until she gets her payout from Netflix.

by Anonymousreply 378May 14, 2024 4:52 PM

[quote] She said she had a boyfriend that she wanted to keep out of it so maybe he’s supporting her

No man is dating that psycho bitch

by Anonymousreply 379May 14, 2024 5:13 PM

A "boyfriend". Right. Is the "boyfriend" aware they are dating?

by Anonymousreply 380May 14, 2024 5:16 PM

[quote] Did anyone watch the Piers Morgan interview. This lady is scary. Also, she has the most annoying speech patterns, and goes “hmmmmmm” as he’s asking questions.

That’s a big vocal pattern in the UK now, like vocal fry.

by Anonymousreply 381May 14, 2024 5:24 PM

Now she wants 1 million dollars from Piers for her interview. What a great lawyer to not know how to negotiate an appearance fee before said appearance.

She also talks how fake he is and speculates on his health.

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by Anonymousreply 382May 14, 2024 6:29 PM

In other words, r382, she met somebody and now she hates them forever cause REASONS. Story of this bitch's life, no doubt, over and over and over and over again.

by Anonymousreply 383May 14, 2024 6:31 PM

OMG Will she stalk Piers?

by Anonymousreply 384May 14, 2024 6:39 PM

We hope so r384!

by Anonymousreply 385May 14, 2024 6:41 PM

Marina Hyde had a usual waspish take on the interview. She doesn't usually mention Piers in her articles, which isn't surprising considering their history.

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by Anonymousreply 386May 14, 2024 7:22 PM

[quote]Now she wants 1 million dollars from Piers for her interview. What a great lawyer to not know how to negotiate an appearance fee before said appearance.

And it’s especially hilarious because in the interview she specifically guesstimates what Gadd got from Netflix. She’s great at ballparking everyone else’s fee but her own.

Lawsuit incoming! Piers just met the shakedown queen.

by Anonymousreply 387May 14, 2024 8:03 PM

Even more… it just keeps going

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by Anonymousreply 388May 15, 2024 4:27 AM

Maybe Gadd is a fantasist too.

"After stepping off the plane and clearing customs, he then encountered a huge mob of fans. He wondered if someone famous had been on his flight. Then he saw what they were all holding: printout posters of his Baby Reindeer alter ego, Donny Dunn. “They were going crazy,” Gadd says. He signed as many as he could. The crowd followed him as he left."

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by Anonymousreply 389May 15, 2024 5:29 PM

Gadd has issues, to put it mildly.

by Anonymousreply 390May 15, 2024 7:29 PM

Calm down Fiona at r390. Your lawsuit will get proper consideration.

by Anonymousreply 391May 15, 2024 7:46 PM

[quote] Your lawsuit will get proper consideration.

That's what Fiona is afraid of.

by Anonymousreply 392May 15, 2024 7:47 PM

I recently watched The Sixth Commandment (BBC). At the beginning of every episode, they had a disclaimer (I'm paraphrasing): "This story is true. It is based on research, public events and news reporting. Some scenes have been created for dramatic effect."

That's all Netflix had to do to keep Fiona in check.

by Anonymousreply 393May 15, 2024 7:52 PM

Netflix has a similar blurb, but at the very end of the credits.

"This program is based on real events: however certain characters, names, incidents, locations, and dialogue have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes."

by Anonymousreply 394May 15, 2024 8:12 PM

[quote]Netflix has a similar blurb, but at the very end of the credits.

[quote]"This program is based on real events: however certain characters, names, incidents, locations, and dialogue have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes."

ARE YOU SAYING THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ? I'M A L*A*W*Y*E*R! I'M HAVING MY L*A*W*Y*E*R TRACE YOUR COMPUTER THINGY!

FIONA sent from my ifun

by Anonymousreply 395May 15, 2024 8:17 PM

I didnt like it...stopped in mid series

by Anonymousreply 396May 15, 2024 8:20 PM

Gadd is difficult to look at, good lord that hair...

by Anonymousreply 397May 15, 2024 9:46 PM

I stopped during the second episode and doubt if I will go back. Why was he encouraging this creepy stalker woman? Why aren't his friends telling him to seek help with the stalker? He's not a sympathetic victim and if I, as a viewer, can't bear five minutes of his stalker, why would he continue to see her?encourage Why does this need seven episodes to unfold? He's likeable but only to the extent he's relatable, and that dissipates as the series goes on. It's obvious he's drawn to dangerous situations. Is there any honesty about how self-destructive he is or how crazy he was to involve himself with her? I would expect him to have serious drug and alcohol issues as well.

by Anonymousreply 398May 22, 2024 9:16 PM

r398, most, if not all, of your questions are answered in the series. Of course you wouldn't know that as you bowed out after 2 episodes.

by Anonymousreply 399May 22, 2024 10:20 PM

Only because I thought everyone in the series was repulsive. Different strokes, etc.

by Anonymousreply 400May 22, 2024 10:39 PM

No lawsuit yet, nor will there be. It doesn't help that Harvey was just exposed for sending over 200 harassing, mocking emails to Labour Leader Keir Starmer, which also denigrated his wife. Harvey's an obvious liar and a serial stalker, and that would all come out in discovery. She's just trying to scrounge some coin and ride the gravy train of this show.

by Anonymousreply 401May 23, 2024 4:10 AM

This woman is ghastly.

With the assistance of a senior English lawyer, Chris Daw KC, I am putting together a legal team, in the UK and in the US, to take forward legal action against all of those who have lied about me and used my image to make large sums of money for themselves, with such damaging consequences for me and my family. Chris is not formally retained on my behalf and will not be making any media statements of any kind, in relation to my position or any other media stories, until further notice.

Once I have a legal team in place, I expect that they will make a further statement, setting out the next steps that I will be taking to deal with everything that has happened, as a direct result of the dishonest and false picture of me, painted in Baby Reindeer and in the media generally.

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by Anonymousreply 402May 23, 2024 4:20 AM

thank you r398! i know victim narratives are super popular lately but i found the whole plot so. . . dumb, for lack of a better word. self flagellating repetitive nonsense.

i also think that his decision to play himself is super odd. i feel like the narrative might have had more heft if there was a younger actor the age he is supposed to be in the role?

by Anonymousreply 403May 23, 2024 5:15 AM

I used to see tweets from Chris Daw and thought it was a parody account. But no he is a genuine KC desperate for attention.

by Anonymousreply 404May 23, 2024 5:55 AM

She's loving all this attention. She voluntarily came forward, doing an interview with Piers Morgan, then claimed she's been impacted by the attention. Then she demanded £1 million off him.

All this legal action is another bid for attention. The show didn't mention her by name and they always change plotlines in TV shows that are "based on real life".

Sent from my iPhone

by Anonymousreply 405May 23, 2024 10:36 AM

The only thing I learned from r405 is that they didn't read any of the previous posts saying the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 406May 23, 2024 10:38 AM

True, but 404 posts take a long time to read and I don't think there's a requirement for every post in a thread to be unique.

While similar to others, I suspect my post still had small hints of originality, even if it was only my sign-off.

Snet from iphoen

by Anonymousreply 407May 23, 2024 10:40 AM

[quote] I would expect him to have serious drug and alcohol issues as well.

He's Scottish, so ...

by Anonymousreply 408May 23, 2024 11:07 AM

I think he very well covers his problems with major drugs in the series!

by Anonymousreply 409May 23, 2024 11:10 AM

She's finally getting a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end of non-stop abuse.

by Anonymousreply 410May 23, 2024 1:42 PM

She stalked Keir Starmer too. Sent him 276 abusive emails.

by Anonymousreply 411May 23, 2024 5:12 PM

Seems like she has a stalking victim for every fat roll.

by Anonymousreply 412May 23, 2024 5:16 PM

Richard Gadd creates things

Fiona Harvey destroys things

by Anonymousreply 413May 23, 2024 10:35 PM
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