Baby Reindeer

Nice link OP

Where did you watch it, OP? Is it a movie or what?

Sorry , I watched it on Netflix. It is based on a true story of a stalker and a producer rapist. There’s also a trans woman to top it all off. The trans woman is the only sane character.

Thanks, OP. I just watched the first episode. The stalker woman is too much of a caricature, and the lead actor looks quite a bit older than 33.

Here he is, looking forty five at least

Giving "Super Hans" from Peep Show vibes. Very druggy-looking.

It was really good. The fourth episode was harrowing, but great tv.

I turned it off after #4. All of the characters are repulsive. The male lead looks covered in dirt and sweat.

I watched it and still can't figure out if I liked it.

I liked it. It was honest about abuse, loneliness, shame, pain, all that funny stuff.

I just watched the whole series and thought it was amazing!

When I saw the thread title I thought this would be a dollface thread.

A bit painful to watch at times, but yes, a relatable story about abuse, loneliness, shame, and the consequences of making bad decisions.

The ending wasn't what I expected, which is almost always a good thing. I couldn't help but yearn for someone to show Martha some real compassion, offer her some actual help. She is also a victim, never summoning the power to overcome her damage. The violent abuser is allowed to hold on to his power, and gets a pass. The world is unjust.

[quote]I couldn't help but yearn for someone to show Martha some real compassion, offer her some actual help. She is also a victim, never summoning the power to overcome her damage.

Which is how Richard Gadd really felt about his stalker. He said the police accused him of harassing them because he kept pushing on why his stalker wasn't getting the help she needed; why weren't there social services in place to address people like her.

r14 I understand he had good intentions, but that's not really the job of the police. He should have been pestering the social workers and the politicians instead. The police don't have the time to deal with people bitching about how the system is set up.

Fell into this by accident and was hooked. I was frustrated with his constant vacillating between sympathy and anger. He considers himself 'empathetic' but his actions seem cowardly. He's afraid of losing her attention while complaining about her attention all the while.

R12, me too. I was expecting some adorable baby reindeer pics!

I thought it was a train wreck. The trans actress was hideously bad. The stalker character was a caricature over the top. It felt like an Edinburgh solo show on Netflix for the final episode’s monologue. I didn’t care about the main character.

Oh ok I didn’t realize there was another episode. The scene with his parents was extremely touching actually and I sympathized with the main character at that point. Overall though I still wasn’t a fan.

It wasn’t perfect but I have to say I’ve never seen anything like this. It was a roller coaster ride.

Episode 4 was a tough watch as others have said. But then later he went back to the apartment and worked with him again? Mad.

I've got three episodes to go. I'm enjoying it even tho I kinda hate when people play themselves. I don't know...It just takes me out of it a little bit. I also feel like there's A LOT of embellishment, but it's so well done.

Now, I want to know what ACTUALLY happened here. Every FUCKING thing from when he received the first wacky text message to the end of it without the dramatization. The actual events. He handled this terribly.

Agreed r22

Also...I became increasingly intrigued by Martha's story instead of his story - despite my empathy for him. And yes he should not have played himself.

My hunch after watching the whole thing is that the real situation it was based on was deeper than a stalker/victim situation.

It was probably more like a weird friendship where he was fascinated with her weirdness and his ego darkly fed off her attention (which he does go into detail and admit throughout the series, a lot at the end actually).

It just feels like some of the bad situations (him peeping in her window, emailing her that he wanted anal, etc.) he re-frames and over-explains as himself not having no choice in the moment, or not really at fault. He protests too much. When the reality might have been messier and he may have been goading her on for the thrill of it.

I feel like the stalker/victim roles in the real case may have been slightly interchangeable at times, even though she was clearly the worst one and was nuts, and the one perusing him.

It took me two days to get through it and as soon as it was finished I immediately googled to find out what I could about the real case.

I was stunned to find out the actor was the actual guy! I had no idea.

Richard Gadd has major BDF

R26 I think he's cute. I like tall, geeky, awkward dudes...who like transwomen, apparently.

It lost me when he was peeping in her window. He’s a mess.

People seem to be trying to find the true identity of his female stalker from the story, but the real intrigue is the industry guy who drugged and assaulted him. Much more at stake revealing someone like that.

Gadd clearly had a hand-up at some point in the television industry.

What is the man’s identity?

Looking through Gadd’s old comedy YouTube posts and online presence is a rabbit hole.

Probably buried in the comments somewhere on one of these old posts is his real stalker.

I have no stake in this show which I haven’t watched

But this is the most autistic fucking face i have ever seen

That’s all

Dude is definitely hot, for those that are into tall, gangly, arty guys who are kind of a mess. Just my type! 😋

He’s definitely doing the gay press. This interview in Attitude just dropped…

I stumbled on this after waking at 2am on Saturday and watched the whole series. I enjoyed it and it was very roller coaster with the emotions. I fail to understand how his comedy got better and he developed an audience. I actually liked the trans character the most.

I thought the actress playing the trans character was terrible for most of their onscreen time.

The trans character was so idealized that it would be hard to play her without broad strokes. She was immaculately groomed, educated, successful, strong, principled and without any apparent flaws. What did she see in that stinky looking derpy mess? She with her manicured hands and martinis, sure Jan.

That makes sense r36. I couldn't believe the character and it may not have been the actress but the writing.

His comedy act was horrible.

I think that was the point r38. He wasn't very good.

A behind the scenes featurette.

The part of the story for me where all reality broke down was when he googled her name and found she had a well-documented past of criminal stalking just like she had begun doing to him… and he didn’t go to the police and make a strong request for them to do something.

R24 Nailed it.

FATAL ATTRACTION crossed with PEEP SHOW

You know… he’s being very keen in the press about not revealing the identity of the real stalker the story is based on.

There’s a chance that he may have created the entire ordeal, texts and all, as material for his show that got so big it eventually became a tv series.

Would you be surprised?

Is he related to Paul Gadd?

But, seriously, I'm surprised the tabloids haven't tracked down the stalker and the industry guy.

Maybe the stalker is a composite character of all the crazy chicks this guy dated.

I watched this over 3 nights and it was well made although I can't say I enjoyed it.

The relationship between Donny and Martha was two broken people who abused each other, although obviously Martha's behaviour went way further. Jessica Gunning was fantastic as always but she looked too similar in age to "Donny" when the real life age gap was 20 years.

And the relationship between Donny and Tom Goodman Hill was really well done and you can see Donny being groomed from the outset and he just kept getting deeper into an abusive relationship not just with TGH but all the other men who took advantage of a distressed man with low self esteem.

In a cast of British TV regulars the trans actor was by far the weakest link but I could totally understand why Donny would be attracted to Teri, and I appreciated that there wasn't any pretence that Teri looked and sounded obviously trans. And I can understand why a therapist would be attracted to a man like Donny or whatever his fake profile was.

I finally finished this and did enjoy it a lot. It wasn’t perfect but do agree it was quite unique. That held me.

I think the staking stuff was queer adjacent in a “fag hag” sense. Especially with Donny coming to terms with his queerness.

A lot of the extreme stuff from Martha loosely reminded me of experiences with clingy female friends (overweight, weren’t popular) in my adolescent years. I’m in my 50s, but remember those sharp experiences well. The friendship/crush/resentment cycle. Good times, but also some bad.

Yeah I agree with above posted that there’s probably more (or less) to his various stories than he’s letting on. But a good storyteller often lies the truth.

This show is now heavily being covered by media. The fact that Reddit users or the shameless UK tabloids haven’t unearthed the real female stalker or the industry sexual assaulter guy is… well, I’ll hold my doubts. But still it’s… interesting.

What if the original stalker was actually a man? Maybe that ending was a clue.

I really liked it…except does he imply that his rape was the first time he suspected he was gay?

This guy gets raped in this show???

R53 Yeah, it’s real laugh-a-minute!

[quote]really liked it…except does he imply that his rape was the first time he suspected he was gay?

Yes, in one of the monologues in that episode, I think it’s right after he's getting off on porn, he says he wonders if the rape triggered this attraction to men or just brought it to the fore or something to that effect.

Was it rape-rape/prison-rape or just surprise anal/just the tip rape?

I’ve watched four episodes and actually cracked up far more than I expected at his stand-up routines in 3 and 4: the “it’s Donny Dunn!” wacka wacka music after every punchline at the club and his fro/bodysuit costume and entrance at the Edinburgh Fringe shitty pub were exactly what I needed that evening while watching.

Richard Gadd is actually better looking in real life and the woman who plays Martha (Jessica Gunning) had a great, very funny role in a series called The Outlaws.

To add to my thoughts above, I really love shows like this: they are slightly transgressive, very honest, challenging, kind of terrifying, awkward, embarrassing, and everything else we often want to forget about our bad relationships. I like that he played himself.

And I think Gadd has also been honest IRL about his role in continuing/playing into the stalking at different points in the timeline, which is refreshing.

When I May Destroy You came out the media forced a load of unnecessary Fleabag comparisons on it - written and performed by a woman!

Baby Reindeer reminds me in some ways of I May Destroy You - eg the fallout of a drug induced sexual assault - but I haven’t seen anyone make a comparison.

[quote]And I think Gadd has also been honest IRL about his role in continuing/playing into the stalking at different points in the timeline, which is refreshing.

It really is. I think his taken accountability is admirable and brave, yet I see so many people on Twitter raging about it. They say they have no sympathy for him, he was weak, he should have said no, he participated in it to stroke his ego. No one would ever say that about a woman. But society rarely take male abuse seriously.

He dug the attention she gave him. What a needy fuck of a person.

[quote] No one would ever say that about a woman.

People say things like that to and about women who are stalking and/or rape victims literally every single day.

[quote]People say things like that to and about women who are stalking and/or rape victims literally every single day.

And it is socially unacceptable for people to say and women generally don't say it about other women, but people feel comfortable with openly declaring it when it come to men in that situation.

So when you said "no one would ever say that about a woman", you were just lying?

Many believe the stalker has been identified as a woman named Maria Marchese. See this Google search:

Stalkers are lunatics and complete losers. That story linked at R65 is wild.

R65, Gadd has implied in interviews that his stalker was not imprisoned (at least not over him). He wanted her stopped but not locked up. Marchese doesn’t sound like someone who could inspire pity.

Mmmm, I don’t know, this reads as Augusten Burroughs to me. Fiction and lies disguised as non fiction. Very much “everything but the bloodhounds snapping at her rear end.” It seems like that weird period fifteen years or so ago when all of those confessional non fiction books were exposed as fraud, lies, and half truths. The guy that had to go on Oprah and confess his harrowing book about drug abuse and self torture which she recommended as being a total lie from beginning to end. And that bizarre forty year old woman who entranced Hollywood by writing a book about how she was an abused prostitute teenage boy and then hired some freak of an actress to pretend she was her on a book tour. It was reported about in Vanity Fair for like a year and she was heralded as some sort of hero. I don’t recall the names, but that’s what this reminds me of.

I bet in a few months (with the internet everything is exposed much faster these days,) this guy will be exposed as a fraud. The whole thing just reads as fake to me. My alarm bells went off the moment I read the details, and I felt exactly the same way about the stories I mentioned above.

As a fan (and slight skeptic), I found this interesting:

[quote] What did she see in that stinky looking derpy mess?

I don't understand what any of the characters see in him. His ex gf, her mother, Martha, trans chick... He isn't that funny, talented, or charismatic, or if he is I'm not seeing it in this show.

Thanks for posting that article r69, it cleared up some lingering questions I had after watching the series. As harrowing as his experience may have been, it certainly wasn't the "everything-but-the-bloodhounds-nipping-at-his-rear-end" scenarios that the Netflix series would have you believe.

It seems they real stalker has been identified. She doesn't seem too far off from the character. Supposedly she's still harassing people.

[quote]Not to mention the legal restraining order they had to take out against Fiona Harvey, a former employee of Laura's who stalked her.

[quote]Harvey even called in social workers, claiming Frankie was being ill-treated.

That's Laura Wray, wife of former Labour MP Jimmy Wray.

Also known as Fiona Muir

Imagine being Maria Marchese or Helen Faure or whoever the real stalker is, and suddenly there’s this show about you and then a hit tv show popular all around you. But your real identity is erased.

How does that work from a legal standpoint? I would think that it would be hard to keep fans (of the tv show especially) from revealing the stalker, but even harder to keep the stalker from going to the press to tell their side of the story or enjoy the attention.

R75, the perfect ending would be her getting her own show out of this. The circle of exploitation would be complete.

"Darrien" has apparently been fingered

He was fingered? Did he bleed in the shower afterward?

R77 Wow, really? He even looks like him.

Hmm… the Sean Foley theory does hold water, but until there’s some sort of concrete confirmation it’s just coincidental speculation. Still… very interesting.

This hit the news around April 18th

Richard Gadd just posted this to his IG story

Reading between the lines of Richard Gadd's interview in Variety, I wonder if "Martha" is no longer with us.

[bold]Viewers are wondering what happened to the real Martha. Did part of you feel afraid she’d try to contact you because of the show?[/bold]

[italic]I can’t answer any of that, really. But yeah, due to where things ended in real life, it’s not a concern for me.[/italic]

A female friend of mine said she gave up after one episode because it was “fatphobic.” Where is the fatphobia? Presenting an obsess woman as a stalker character is not fatphobic, but I would be curious to know if I possibly missed something more overt.

A shitty show I turned off. Everyone is repugnant. It seems like everything was thrown in but the kitchen sink.

Warning: episode #4 is intense!

Reddit found this account.

R87 Hmm! This article lists some evidence as to why, based on some of her 2014 tweets:

More tweets and past Twitter bios for Fiona (get your thumb ready to pause it):

R88 Not sure I believe that. Neither of those tweets quoted in the article appear on her timeline. It's possible they've been removed, but as the account hasn't tweeted since 2018 it seems unlikely to still be active. Also if Gadd wanted to change lots of things he wouldn't have made repeated mentions of hanging curtains if that's what she also said in real life.

I liked the show but it was hard to feel a lot of empathy for Donny when he does things purposely to make his life as miserable as possible. He accepts Martha's friend request on FB even though he has just researched her thoroughly as a stalker. He goes to her apartment multiple times - peeps in her window, checks her out at the bus stop, confronts her and even has sex with her after the anal rape text that he claims his friend did. He goes back to the abuser's apartment. This man wants to feel as shitty as possible about himself which the character admits he loves more than he could love his girlfriend.

I don't know why but the show seemed fat-phobic to me at opposite ends of the spectrum: Martha was a large gal and the trans girlfriend Teri wasn't fat-fat but not slim herself. Meanwhile Donny is like a stick insect, he is almost a caricature of a loser from his clothes to his hairstyle to his comedy act. None of them are likeable - I even lost respect for Teri staying in for weeks with Donny and letting him control her. I think this show is SCREAMING for attention and that seems strange to me considering the past abuse. When the abuse and stalking was over, wouldn't you feel relieved? But he missed it so much he kept playing the recordings. That seems like a very sick person, to me.

R90, that's what is so strange about this. Gadd says he's changed a lot about the character and wants to reflect the emotional truth of the situation, not the literal events. Yet the draw for the show is that "this really happened." Every interview he has given emphasizes this, and gives specific facts about the stalking. In Gadd's stage show, he played phone messages from "Martha." I assume not the actual messages in her voice, but who knows? "Baby Reindeer" is set up to make people want to know who the rapist and the stalker are. He's letting the audience track both of them down while claiming that he has nothing but sympathy for "Martha," at least.

R92 Yeah I was wrong. The tweet about needing curtains hanged does exist after all. She seemed to have more than one Twitter account.

[QUOTE] her and even has sex with her after the anal rape text that he claims his friend did

I don’t think in that Donny had sex with Martha in the show. He was imagining fucking Martha which is how he finally got it up for Teri and took her to pound town.

Boy, he’s certainly wanted by everybody, isn’t he?

R94 Agreed. If that had really happened, she'd have told the Police about it.

According to the show he never had any sexual relations with Martha, but masturbated thinking of her at one point (shown with him jerking off with a photo of her).

I so wanted to like this show but the principal characters in it are just SO unappealing. The guy lead is too old and not hot enough and that fat girl is obnoxious af. Anyway- good premise, bad execution.

[quote]Reading between the lines of Richard Gadd's interview in Variety, I wonder if "Martha" is no longer with us.

That wouldn't surprise me.

The photo at R87 is exactly how I pictured a stalker of this dude to look like. Life is predictable.

He had to have known that people would turn into Jessica Fletcher after watching this.

Yes, it's bullshit to pretend that the "based on a true story" and incorporating real aspects into the show wouldn't spark any interest in finding out more.

Regarding the identical back story between "Martha" and Fiona Harvey/Fiona Muir I guess it's either a case that he didn't really make any effort to hide her true identity add then lied when the show became huge, or it was a double bluff and they expected people to say "oh it can't be Fiona Harvey/Fiona Muir as her story is identical to Martha and they said they changed it to hide her identity".

Maybe Gadd forgot that Fiona Harvey/Fiona Muir had tweeted his account about hanging her curtains and him not replying to her emails? It would be quite easy for Netflix to have had a dormant twitter account suspended and the tweets inaccessible.

R102

[quote]It would be quite easy for Netflix to have had a dormant twitter account suspended and the tweets inaccessible.

I'm not sure it would be. Elon is pro free speech after all, so if Netflix had contacted Twitter asking for an account to be suspended for the reasons you state, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd have rejected their request to make a point.

I mean, I've reported tweets with homophobic slurs and been told no rule breaks have occurred.

[quote]I'm not sure it would be. Elon is pro free speech after all, so if Netflix had contacted Twitter asking for an account to be suspended for the reasons you state, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd have rejected their request to make a point.

The production was announced in 2020 and started filming in 2022. They had plenty of time to make sure as many parts of the jigsaw were removed.

R104 Maybe they underestimated how determined internet sleuths are. Or maybe they/Gadd didn't really care about exposing the real person. After all, if you really cared about their anonymity the simplest solution would have been to not make the show.

As others have said, I wonder if the real Martha is dead now. That could explain the delay in airing it. After all, there's no special effects in Baby Reindeer - so they didn't need to wait all that time before releasing it.

Is it like I May Destroy You thematically?

Not really R106 - there are themes of sexual assault based on the writer’s real life experiences but that’s it.

IMDY had multiple stories acted out by the supporting cast around consent and sexuality and Baby Reindeer has none of that.

Thanks r107

Richard asked Twitter to leave Sean alone.

But he didn’t technically say it wasn’t Sean.

The backlash has begun

It reminds me of the backlash to the Shit town podcast from Serial. On one hand you’re telling your story, on the other it’s hard to argue you’re not exploiting others, fairly or not, when we can search social media and see a tweet from a disbarred lawyer asking Richard to hang her curtains.

I can't possibly watch this because I had a stalker once and I am currently stalking someone myself, but what does that title refer to – baby reindeer? I thought they were just called calves? Is that not the case?

R112 it refers to a nickname that "Donny's" stalker "Martha" gave him, based on what she says is his likeness to her childhood toy- the only thing that brought her comfort during her miserable childhood. It's Martha's "Rosebud"

R109 If it was Sean, I doubt he'd have included him in a list of people he loves and admires. He even refers to Sean by name, which pretty much exonerates him.

I think he'd have kept that statement generic otherwise.

R114, I disagree. The statement that expresses positive things about Sean very clearly doesn’t exonerate him as the molester. I read that as Richard having moved on with his life, perhaps even recognizing that the facts of the assault aren’t as clear as the show made out (perhaps Richard’s lack of consent wasn’t as black and white) and that he would rather just move forward without rehashing the exact facts (or even being charged with defamation by Sean because the facts aren’t clear enough to support a molestation charge). So he throws Sean a bone that he respects him without clearly saying he wasn’t the assailant.

Baby Reindeer was a superb series. Intelligent, dark, funny and raw. Richard Gadd definitely has “it”…from the first episode I wanted to take him apart and devour him. I understood what the screen writer saw in him: great artistic talent mixed with a sleeping tendency towards self destruction, and that tendency is still there in real life, from his interviews. Richard Gadd will be nominated for multiple Emmys for this series, but he will also get new stalkers. I’m considering buying a plane ticket to the UK, renting a house with a basement and seeing if I can lure Richard into a pit, where I could teach him the meaning of love.

Does anyone know where I can watch MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DO?

I would be interested to see it too r117

A cursory search only turns up the trailer for Monkey See Monkey Do

R117 R118 I would imagine it would “officially” be on Comedy Central’s archives, but they don’t seem to have any (do they still exist?)

I can’t find it anywhere online either. And a search for a BitTorrent on Pirate Bay turns up nothing (maybe someone will upload it now that BR is so popular).

Let us know if anyone finds it anywhere.

Try searching through Reddit

R115 I also wondered, if watching the series, if his lack of consent was really verbalized or made clear to the "abuser" - the drugs and alcohol and passive nature of his lying there looking up at the ceiling make me wonder if he really did want to be there and doing that. Maybe he was trying on his sexuality. I realize incapacitation does not equal consent but he knowingly kept taking the GHB cocktail, after what had happened the first time.

He does specially say “NO!” at one point during one of the assaults. Maybe you missed it.

Who hasn’t ignored a playful “no” when shoving a dry finger into a formerly straight guy’s dirty bunger r122?

[quote]I’m considering buying a plane ticket to the UK, renting a house with a basement and seeing if I can lure Richard into a pit, where I could teach him the meaning of love.

I remember when Luka Magnotta posted here and I worry about some of you bitches.

[quote] He does specially say “NO!” at one point during one of the assaults. Maybe you missed it.

The tv show isn’t a videotape of what happened in real life. He may be concerned now that he can’t prove that he clearly wasn’t consenting and doesn’t want to be hauled into court on a defamation claim that he called Sean a rapist. So he could be throwing Sean a little praise and deflection, even if the character was in fact based on Sean.

The reality could have been a really bad sexual experience, with or without being full on assault, and he dramatised it for optimum suspense for the show.

The rapist is Sam Bain who wrote Peep Show. The stalker is Fiona Harvey.

You are sure it’s not J.K. Rowling r127?

How did Darrien assault Donny? Sucked him off while he was unconscious?

Butt fucked while on an acid trip r129

Thanks, didn’t want to watch it but wanted to understand.

R127

Fiona Harvey (not the environmental journalist) is a Brexiteer. Feh.

I know everyone processes trauma and situations differently but he engaged with his stalker and his rapist a lot more than the average person would or should.

The fact that he had a one night stand with her and masturbated to her photo smack dab in the middle of the stalking ordeal and then returned to his rapist's apartment after having been violated by him multiple times and agreeing to work with him shows that like his stalker and rapist he too is severely stunted with poor impulse control and an even poorer sense of boundaries.

He also comes across as a bit of a sex addict who possibly has a rape fantasy since he became addicted to gay porn and starting fucking other guys left and right after being repeatedly assaulted by that creep.

[quote]The fact that he had a one night stand with her

He didn't have sex with her. That was a fantasy.

The very brief moment (as part of a montage of other events) where he’s seen holding a picture of Martha and appears to be jerking off seems like it was a sort of mistake. Or poorly edited. It’s given a lot of people the wrong idea.

In conversation I’ve had with lots of people about the show they’ve claimed he had sex with her based on that scene. I tell them (nerd here) that no, he’s just masturbating to a photo of her and he thinks it really weird, and that inspires him to finally have proper sex with Terri. They always say they’ll “have to go back and watch it again.”

I think that brief moment in the show is misleading if you aren’t paying attention.

R127 Go on…

There’s a lot of speculation and clue-connecting on the Sam Bain as the rapist theory here.

Just binged all of it last night. I was going to just watch E1. Thought he was a fool, then ended up watching it all the way through. It was really good, but felt one episode too long. What I love is that he's as cray-cray as her.

The show was the best representation of what and why so many stars fell for Weinstein, Spacey, Singer, etc.

Also, this felt like it took inspiration, in the adaptation to TV (It was a play) by I May Destroy You. Now that was one wild ride if you can stick it out. Full of unlikeable characters, but really pulling it all together in the end.

Baby Reindeer was an unusual bit of quality TV from Netflix.

r133 is an idiot. He didn't have a one-night stand with her. It was showing you the fantasy going through his head as he jerked off. he even made it crystal clear in the scene's narration.

More on Sam Bain here. I’m a fan of PEEP SHOW and noticed these details but didn’t piece it together:

Richard Gadd’s new protectors / newly minted stalkers are going to make any rapist / screen writer suspects into a living hell by doxxing him and ruining his life.

[quote] You probably haven’t had very much time to reflect on your experiences. Are you okay?

[quote] It’s definitely time for a holiday… I’ve been going hammer and tongs for almost a decade now and that does certainly take its toll. But at the same time, I’ve reached a phenomenal level of understanding through doing it this way. If I go back to Monkey See, Monkey Do, coming clean about the sexual abuse I went through was more helpful than any therapy.

[quote] There's a sense that fact-finding in true crime creates closure - a neat package of beginning, middle and end. But real-life trauma doesn't have closure, it has evolution. And for Gadd, creating Baby Reindeer (and its pre-cursor Monkey See, Monkey Do) was a way of processing his suffering into something close to healing. Having his story be the biggest show on Netflix right now will already inevitably stir up levels of guilt, shame and discomfort. The no-holds-barred amateur sleuthing from fans risks putting him in the position of having to apologise for sharing his story so sensitively in the first place.

THis response in the article in R142 makes me think the real stalker is dead:

[quote]Your stalker might watch Baby Reindeer. What do you think she’ll make of it?

[quote]I honestly couldn’t speak as to whether she would watch it. Her reactions to things varied so much that I almost couldn't predict how she’d react to anything. She was quite an idiosyncratic person. We’ve gone to such great lengths to disguise her to the point that I don’t think she would recognise herself. What’s been borrowed is an emotional truth, not a fact-by-fact profile of someone.

Notice how he never talks about her in the present tense? Even "I don't think she would recognise herself" would work as an answer to: "If your stalker were still alive, would she realise 'Martha' was based on her?"

It’s shitty then that he did used the same language for Martha as another fan did on Twitter who has a still functioning Facebook account.

Fiona Grant IS his stalker r145

R117 / r119

I’ve searched through the Comedy Central archives and it does not have MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO

This podcast, which dates to February 2020, is an in depth discussion about Richard Gadd’s psyche while he writing and performing MONKEY SEE and BABY REINDEER, and it is quite something. I’m a black hearted bastard and even found this emotionally difficult to listen to.

In this discussion, Richard Gadd talks about a well known technical profession named Matt Brooks that has the entire month long run of MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO on tape. With the worldwide success of Netflix’s BABY REINDEER, I’ll bet Netflix will pay a shitload for those tapes or buy the play from Comedy Central

It's too fat.

Real Martha is still crazy.

But the woman in question, who denied being a stalker when it was put to her by The Mail, said: 'Richard Gadd has got 'main character syndrome'.

'He always thinks he's at the centre of things. I'm not writing shows about him or promoting them in the media, am I? If he wanted me to be properly anonymous, he could have done so. Gadd should leave me alone.'

She said she is considering taking legal action against him.

R149 Expose him, queen!

She should make her own version of events. Netflix, are you listening?

According to wikipedia Richard Gadd is bisexual. Does that just mean that he's bi since he fucks trans girls?

The show explores that he fucked men as well. Fucking trans girls means, to me, pansexual. But yes, he says he's bi.

The trans actor would be a marvellous Jackie Kennedy. Same mannish features.

5 minutes from the play

I thought it was great. It really delved into the complexities of how sexual abuse and rape traumatize the brain. The show didn't try to fit all the pieces together nicely and it didn't give the viewers a resolution, which I appreciated.

As someone familiar with BPD, it struck me that Gadd may have it. The empty feeling he alludes to, the recklessness, the need for admiration - all traits of a borderline personality. Regardless, he's an excellent writer and performer. Personality disordered people get a bum rap. Many artists suffer from such ailments.

I wonder if other victims of the predatory writer will come forward.

I’m actually curious about the non-chronological order of the series in just the one episode where he was assaulted (episode 4). I almost forgot about Martha!

I wonder how it would have flowed if that was the first episode, then the girlfriend troubles, living with his ex’s mom, tries to be a comedian, eventually works in a pub, then we would see later in life why he was so malleable to Martha.

Episode 4 is a big pause, and temporary jump-back.

R156 That would have been a very heavy episode to open with.

I always like my stories to start off with anal rape!

There's gay anal rape? I'll add this to my must-see list now.

[quote]I’m actually curious about the non-chronological order of the series in just the one episode where he was assaulted (episode 4).

I liked the placement of that episode as it acts as a revelation on that event from years earlier informs how/why he engaged with Martha and why he drags his feet on going to the police. It's all jumbled together in my mind now so I don't know if this is from the series or one of Gadd's interviews, but his attitude was if he didn't go to the police on a man who was an actual predator, why would he go to the police about a woman who is doing things out of mental illness.

Episode 4 shows how it impacted his feelings about his sexuality and why he looks for validation, so it really served to paint a bigger picture of his actions/inactions.

Hmm.

In the r149 article, Gadd is saying not to try and figure out who the stalker is. But unless it’s a famous person, how can anyone except those close to him attempt to figure it out?

[quote]In the [R149] article, Gadd is saying not to try and figure out who the stalker is. But unless it’s a famous person, how can anyone except those close to him attempt to figure it out?

Viewers have been trying to figure it out using what was shown in the series. That's why he had to ask them to stop speculating on Sean Foley. People were looking at Gadd's work and looking at certain phrases the show lays out to try to discern who his rapist and stalker were.

R98 So you didn't finish the show because you found the cast unattractive? GOTCHA

This sums up the real life Martha situation as it stands now, and points out a few facts and photos I was unaware of:

She apparently is planning on suing.

Does anyone have a link to her actual FB account where she’s posting stuff about Richard Gadd? I see a lot of fake Fiona Harvey fb accounts and re-posts but can’t find the actual account.

Yes, or just her Facebook name. I also can’t find it.

I’m pretty sure this is it

Damn, that account at R160 sure sounds just like Martha on the show. The incessant posting every few minutes about inane details, the constant misspellings, the obsessions about various tiny things, the defensiveness.

Just skimming through the photos uploaded on the FB page at R169 it would be quite easy for someone in Camden(istan) to identify where she lives from the frequent photos of the park over the road.

25th March 2023: This pain in the ass mentally ill hairdresser London luxe Camden Amy avoid avoid told me green and blue don't go she's a ct nasty little Kosovan horrid spoilt plastic face she offended customers so much she had to close she aye wore black

I’m in the beginning of episode 4. It’s very compelling but I am having trouble because I agree with R41. I would have gotten professional help when I found out a seriously deranged person was stalking me. Maybe the rest of the series will help me understand Donny better.

Just you wait ^

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I think this is the first official story clearly stating Fiona Harvey/Muir is Martha.

I linked to an old news report at R73. It’s the same victim with the disabled child.

There really was no effort to change the stalker’s back story.

Ugh, this is messed up. I know she's the bad guy here but for someone so mentally ill to be in the spotlight like this is too much.

Wow, this is just getting better and better.

Soon the rapist will unalive himself !

Real life Martha goes on a stabbing rampage!

Richard will immediately start writing Baby Reindeer 2: Martha Got Gunned Down On The Edinburgh Square And I’m Fully Gay

R36 Teri was not seemingly flawless. Did you see those eyebrows?

Fiona’s FB page is gone. It’s dangerous for her to get thrust into the spotlight like this but on the other hand she has a bottomless need for attention and this could shut her up.

R180 And Teri was built like a linebacker

Which he is

Because he’s a man

Undoubtedly Richard Gadd was always the bottom for the real life Teri

The FB page is still there.

I took All The music exams at school And have voice cello and piano

I had lessons through the school

He knows all This cos we discussed it

He knows I can Write

He knows I have a photographic memory

There is no excuse for his behaviour

I watched good dramas etc

He knows I'd never watch mad nonsense for twenty year olds

So just because I went to law school Does not mean I'm Without talent

He ribbed me about singing like susan boyle

I can but I can Also do classical Stuff

Just because I don't doesn't mean I can't

I went t

I want to see a JFK biopic with the actress who played Teri playing Jackie.

I has everything Datalounge hates: fat women. trans women and Eldergays.

Wasn’t the stalker convinced in a court of law? Surely hearing records are publicly available in the UK? How difficult would it be to search the author’s name and stalking?

Fiona Harvey 9m

Meanwhile I'd like to get on with very important things in my life. I'm not some glasgow uni dropout playwright. I'm Not a big fat actress playing. A stalker I'm Pretty damn busy in my own life thank you

R185 meet R176

The Sun have now officially confirmed the stalker is Fiona Harvey.

She is 58, a whopping 24 years older than Richard Gadd.

[quote] And in her latest update, she blasted: "Gadd is no Brad Pitt."

Okay, so you think you're a big Netflix star now? That don't impress me much!

The actor is sexy in an offbeat way. I watched the first episode but will not watch more. I don't want to spend time in this story with these characters.

This is all getting messy!

Yeah… and so much for Gadd’s assistance in multiple interviews claiming they altered her character so drastically she’s nearly unrecognizable from the real person.

She’ll practically a clone!

Also, wasn’t he saying in interviews that “the way things turned out” he was sure nothing would come of further danger from his stalker or repercussions from the show… alluding to some sort of closure hidden from the audience or plot line?

It appears to me she’s very much just out there and is still a loose cannon!

Richard had better a get a body guard, because Fiona WILL NOT BE IGNORED

Meant to watch one episode and the rest later, if I liked it...watched 4 episodes in a row and looking forward to the final 3 later. Its good entertainment..and makes you think. Well done to the actor and writer Gadd...glad for him that its provinga big hit.

[quote]“I have a photographic memory and can memorise huge files. I was top in my school at everything."

She sounds unwell. I mean her past actions show that obviously but still, it seems cruel to put her on blast all over Netflix when she's mental.

Sounds like Gadd had a very naive grasp of the Internet's detecting abilities.

If there is anything else I need to clarify be sure and tell me I've been wantin to set the record straight oh and by the way I knew gadd googled the article years ago because folk who hated hi m told me years ago. They drank in the hawley arms Nd he owed them money. I didn't know he'd written a play till

It was announced on

Bbc breaking new s five years ago hed done it at the fringe

I no longer went into the hawley arms After he had a manic attack

At me one day but week

After week he'd berate me in their that is been in the newspapers

I found this put from staff and customers so

Did friends of mine who all

Want the pub shut down asa

R185 Highly doubt it. Privacy laws are a lot stricter over there.

Why isn't she on Datalounge?

maybe she is r198. There be loonies here.

We’d “oh dear” Fiona into oblivion

R198 R199 R200 The bad spelling and grammar would be a dead giveaway. Plus she'd be posting new threads left and right all hours of the day and trying to flirt with everyone.

I'm pretty sure she's in the Heartstopper threads.

I hope Jessica Gunning wins the BAFTA and Emmy. She’s brilliant.

^ I have a purse she can carry on the red carpets.

Did he ever say why he liked Trans?

R205 I think he is an equal opportunist. He admitted in the show that he's into some pretty weird stuff. He was going to bath houses and getting fucked in bathroom stalls.

The Facebook page linked has been posting since mid 2023 so it’s highly unlikely that anyone created the profile in preparation for the show being a massive hit.

R206 I think he identifies as pan.

[quote]He admitted in the show that he's into some pretty weird stuff. He was going to bath houses and getting fucked in bathroom stalls.

I just took that as out of control behavior resulting from the guy who gave him drugs rather than a specific choice. But I’m only halfway through the show.

[quote]I think he identifies as pansexual.

No. Bisexual.

Interviewer: As your journey with your identity still something that you are working on?

I think the easiest thing is to say bisexual, but it’s a journey. I sometimes change with the tide. I feel very strongly for both. I think we’re just learning to see the world in different ways and not be so rigid about it. And I feel like I’m constantly in a state of flux with my sexuality. Some days I feel a certain way and other days I feel other ways. But every time I land on one, my brain flies off to the other. It’s almost like a restlessness. But maybe that’s what bisexuality is.

I realised quite early on that I used to say, ‘Oh, you have to be one or the other.’ And I believed it was going to be easier for me if I pick one. I tried to identify both ways in my time, and it never worked for me as much as bisexual, really.

The interview with the wife of the MP at R175, and her past experiences with this woman, is very concerning.

Fiona is a nut

I liked this a lot, it is indeed something completely different. A reason for this is because is based on a true story. Scripted tv wouldn’t allow for this two main themes and events of stalking and abuse merging this way, it tends to be more thematically uniform.

It was also a harrowing experience. It took me a while to see the first episodes because he does so many things wrong that you jusr want to scream at him. Episode 4 provides some clarity to this.

I also find him very hot (and can see people find him ugly as well). Stalking and abuse is not necessarily related to beauty or even physical attraction but one thing that is somewhat missing from the series is how clever he is and that is why he can attract so many people (most of the series is he wondering around looking shocked).

Also, very clever how he questions his role in both events and how he keeps repeating obsessive, unhealthy patterns. There is no happy ending.

Finally, i would agree that the sex scene with the stalker is a little bit confusing (it is a phantasy not immediately clear as so).

R213, I’ve read that abusers are drawn to people who’ve already been abused, that they can sense their vulnerability. That’s what made Gadd attractive to Fiona: he was a damaged, tormented person who she could manipulate. It was going to be hard for him to fight back.

I think this show sort of falls apart in the final act. I thought the parents were sort of stupid as characters. Their acceptance seemed contrived, especially the father. I have a feeling that towards the end, he just falls back on the work he did on his one man show rather than fleshing out the story for the screen.

Does nobody ever suggest that maybe he should get some mental counseling? Wouldn’t the NHS give him some counseling?

I honestly thought the bartender in the final scene was gay and Donny was going to stalk him.

[quote]He admitted in the show that he's into some pretty weird stuff. He was going to bathhouses and getting fucked in bathroom stalls.

What is so weird about that?

Sounds like typical behavior for any urban gay man r217

Spoiler: in real life did he go back to his abuser?

[QUOTE] I honestly thought the bartender in the final scene was gay and Donny was going to stalk him.

I thought that was the impression we were supposed to be getting from that final scene: the stalkee may now become the stalker. I don’t think it was accidental that the bartender was played by a very good-looking man.

To be fair, the bartender was very stalkable.

What bartender is going to give a patron a free "double rum & coke"? In the beginning, with Donny it was just a cup of tea.

Donny was much more sexy than fat Martha, hence he deserved that drink

I get the interpretation about stalking the bartender but, to me was his realization that, at a time he was so fragile and broken, that exactsamw kindness from the bartendee made him see Martha’s viewpoint for the first time and start to understand her better.

**Spoiler alert**. Don’t read beyond this if you haven’t watched the show to the end.

I’d actually like to see a sequel about Martha after she gets out of jail. Does she go back to him or latch on to someone else? I find her character more interesting than Donny.

in real life the stalker never went to jail, apparently. weird tale all around.

R226, the stalker had two orders of protection taken out against her, the second one by Gadd, and she abided by both of them. She did have control over what she was doing.

In real life, how did Gadd meet the stalker?

[quote]In real life, how did Gadd meet the stalker?

At a pub where he worked. That bit is true. She said she couldn't afford a drink so he gave her a drink for free.

[quote]At a pub where he worked. That bit is true. She said she couldn't afford a drink so he gave her a drink for free.

I would think he’d try to disguise the story a bit more. The real woman has a right to complain.

[quote] The real woman has a right to complain.

The stalker gave up her rights to complain when she made Richard Gadd’s, and his parents, life hell r230

Fuck around and find out

Agree, R230. Perhaps she should have gotten some help. Stalking,/harassment is illegal not to mention pathetic.

Not all attention is good attention. Now Richard Gadd has opened himself up to criticism.

Richard Gadd, the creator and star of hit Netflix series Baby Reindeer, has faced questions about his professional conduct after dating a transgender actress who intended to audition for his show.

The actor was investigated and ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing by Baby Reindeer producer Clerkenwell Films after a romantic liaison in 2021 with Reece Lyons, who was interested in playing the role of Gadd’s ex-girlfriend Teri in the stalker drama.

Lyons went public with her experience on Twitter (now X) soon after Baby Reindeer premiered. She did not name Gadd or directly reference Baby Reindeer, but Deadline has verified his identity. Gadd declined to comment, while Lyons did not wish to comment beyond her X thread.

Trannies lie and the main motivation, especially for a tranny actor, is ALWAYS attention r233

He didn’t get the part and now he is score settling

Exactly, R234. Also, I really liked the trans actress they chose for the part so it all worked out.

Agree. I think the trans actress that played the part of Teri on the show was very interesting and believable and seemed like a real person.

I looked this one up with the complaint, and (based on appearances) she seems like a skinny, blond, Karashian kind of mindset. Yawn.

A Daily Mail journalist who investigated Fiona is now being stalked by her.

At this point it's complaining your hand got ripped off by a lion after poking it.

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[quote] I’d actually like to see a sequel about Martha after she gets out of jail. Does she go back to him or latch on to someone else? I find her character more interesting than Donny

I agree her character is more interesting but at the same time this takes it into standard Lifetime movie territory.

Richard Osman, the TV presenter and erstwhile comedy producer, set hares running this week when he said that the true identity of Gadd’s fictional abuser, Darrien O’Connor, had for years been widely known in comic circles. Gadd had been “very open to people in the industry about who that person was”, he said on his podcast, The Rest is Entertainment. “So people in the industry know who that person was.”

“Obviously that person has never been prosecuted; he has never gone to trial,” Osman added. “But everyone knows who he is talking about.”

Several innocent men have been falsely accused of being the real-life O’Connor, but the episode serves to highlight something bigger: although it has been almost seven years since the #MeToo movement kicked off, comedy is one of the few remaining showbiz industries that has not had a reckoning. Could this now be the time?

I also saw Reece Lyons in Overflow. She is an actress of limited capabilities.

[quote]true identity of Gadd’s fictional abuser, Darrien O’Connor, had for years been widely known in comic circles

Is it Ricky Gervais?

I’m lost (can’t read the article under paywall). So has the identity of the abuser been revealed? Is it Sam Bain the guy who produced PEEP SHOW?

[quote]Is it Sam Bain the guy who produced PEEP SHOW?

Sam Bain is married since 2007. I got the idea Darrien O’Connor was single.

Baby Reindeer this, Baby Reindeer that – everyone and their hairdresser is talking about this show. Can't wait for this craze to end, it's shining undue spotlight on us stalkers. Just leave us alone, we're not hurting anyone. Well, we are, but you know what I mean.

So the “open secret” is that the sexual assaulter is Sam Bain, yes or no?

This series spoke to a common thread we see in folks today confused about their sexuality. Going through an intense period of substance abuse and sexual addiction and coming out the other side.

Sam Bain has never denied it in the last two weeks, so…

[quote]Sam Bain has never denied it in the last two weeks, so…

He’s not been publicly named. Why deny something when you haven’t been accused?

Gadd didn’t do enough masking to hide the woman stalker so this guy is probably as equally thinly masked. Otherwise, I’d say Kevin Spacey.

It has to be someone who knows enough about the stage because this guy helped Gadd with his stage technique.

Watched the love of my life watch this in his living room the other day. Looked interesting enough, might check out the full thing. That yellow jacket the actor is wearing in the promo pic is so nice. I don't think I could pull it off though, it would clash with my bleached hair.

I thought it was Dame Edna.

R251 are you ok?

R253, back away slowly. You’re asking a stalker if they’re ok.

Just finished it watching. Loved it. It is an incredible story.

I was hoping he would come home to find Martha boiling a rabbit in his kitchen. Maybe they’re saving that bit for the sequel.

So who’s the abuser?

Sam “Shit Finger” Bain r257

Will there be a rebuttal Nexflix series? casting choices?

Just binge-watched this yesterday. I thought the first episode was slow, but I get they had to develop the characters. By the third ep, I was hooked. It was a great series - curious if it will be honored at the Emmys ?

If you haven't watched it yet, put it on your 'to do' list !

[QUOTE] It was a great series - curious if it will be honored at the Emmys ?

I would say it’s the frontrunner at the moment in any category it competes in with Jessica Gunning an almost lock for Supporting Actress in a Limited Series/TV Movie/Anthology.

Then you are blind and deaf r235 and r236. That actress had such enormously wide hips that they had to shoot around them, a rectangular face, the standard irritatingly nasal trans voice, and Jesus h. Christ the eyebrows - thick vampirishly pointed arches and lopsided. Every time she was onscreen I prayed for my own death. She was the worst part of the whole series.

[quote]Then you are blind and deaf [R235] and [R236]. That actress had such enormously wide hips that they had to shoot around them, a rectangular face, the standard irritatingly nasal trans voice, and Jesus h. Christ the eyebrows - thick vampirishly pointed arches and lopsided. Every time she was onscreen I prayed for my own death. She was the worst part of the whole series.

The actor who played Teri/Terry was obviously a male who identified as a woman. The performance itself was fine and fitted in with the rest of the story and explained why a bisexual man would be attracted to a woman who is obviously male.

It’s one of the few portrayals of a trans person that seemed authentic, ie the person doesn’t ‘pass’ like most trans women don’t.

I just finished the second episode and am not sure if I can continue to even hate-watch it. The Gadd character’s decisions and judgement are so incredibly stupid it defies belief. Does it get better, or will it be five more torturous episodes?

The “why” behind his terrible decisions gets explained, R264 — but it doesn’t make it much better.

R262, MARY! Who upset you so??

Leave it to Piers Morgan to give a loon a platform.

The real-life Martha from Baby Reindeer breaks cover and gives me her first TV interview about the smash hit Netflix show. Fiona Harvey wants to have her say & ‘set the record straight.’ Is she a psycho stalker?

Baby Reindeer is turning into a whole saga

Fiona will probably stab Piers on air and then strip to reveal that she’s got a bomb vest underneath her sagging tits and demand that Richard Gadd be brought to her

Wow. She could not look more in-character.

A direct link to the Twitter promo (with pic):

R270 Roseanne-bot

I love the sub-headline, “Is she a psycho-stalker?”

What is this, Jerry Springer?

R272 No, that would be classy by comparison.

That fat stalker in the pic at R267 has the cray-cray eyes.

Of course Piers Morgan is promoting a stalker

The scene where he breaks down on stage crying is so cringeworthy I almost had a heart attack on his behalf.

So does he become like her at the end and start stalking the bartender who gave him the free drink?

That’s not how I read it, R277. I thought it implied that when we encounter other people the smallest acts - even those made out of kindness and compassion - can have unintended consequences. Mostly they don’t, but other people are ultimately unknowable and nobody knows what anybody else is dealing with. Therefore go through the world with gentleness and care.

I’ve never been compelled to stalk anybody who’s ever been kind towards me. But I think what the ending was saying was: there but for the grace of God go I.

[quote] The trans woman is the only sane character.

Of course.

[quote] Watched the love of my life watch this in his living room the other day. Looked interesting enough,

🙄

Critical Drinker’s review

I can't watch more than a 60 second clip.

Like laughing at John Merrick.

Piers' post-interview thoughts.

Not reading that but of course she's a victim - the show made that clear.

She's clearly mentally unwell.

R279 is probably a Republican. They call Hollywood "hollyweird" while watching Hollywood movies and shows all day long. This was made by a Brit so it's hardly "Hollywood" anyway

Morgan is right about this:

[quote]All of which points to a spectacular duty-of-care failure by Netflix, Gadd and Clerkenwell Films, which produced the series, which I would think carries with it serious legal jeopardy.

But he shouldn't have put her on TV to be gawked at. She's not well.

She could have denied being the stalker who made Richard Gadd, his parents and his loved ones lived hell for two years r286

Richard Gadd has no responsibility for this crazy cunts behavior

Fiona should be executed humanely.

Fuck around and find out.

R287, but is this humane? If someone torments you for years and the police won’t help you, you’d probably be justified in disposing of them in some quick, quiet way. But this feels like Gadd is pulling this woman back in for another round of insanity, only this time with a huge audience.

She could have refused interviews and not gone on TV r288

She’s a legally competent adult. She has no one else to blame.

FUCK

AROUND

AND

FIND

OUT

Everyone’s a victim. 🙄

“…stalking is in vogue, going to prison is in vogue…”

Wow. Just watched the interview and, as someone who loved the show and is very invested in the story… I’m speechless.

I may add some thoughts to this thread later but for now I’m just kinda stunned.

If you enjoyed the interview I recommend the Piers piece in the Post article posted a few down.

Hearing his thoughts on the whole thing after interviewing her put it in a more farmable context for my mind.

I think Gadd has told the truth about some things but greatly exaggerated or made up other things to turn it into a hit show.

I think Fiona is now telling the truth about some things but greatly exaggerating or making up (or playing down) other things, having a hit show basically based on her.

This entire hornet’s nest of dysfunction and half truths has now been thrust into the spotlight with all of its scrutiny, and we’ll probably be hearing a lot more from both of them.

Yay?

It is weird how the show is basically all about her and now that she’s speaking out about it, the common consensus seems to be that she’s crazy so no one should believe her. The end.

Even if she’s half lying I kind of am impressed that she came forward like this and do think it’s brave. She’s clearly scatterbrained and hardly media savvy. The whole thing is just weird.

R294, all I’m sure of is that the Black Mirror showrunners must be furious that they didn’t think of this first.

Her point about 41,000 emails being so excessive it can’t possibly be true isn’t an unbelievable one.

4,100 would be a more believable number, and still a stalker crazy amount.

Even 410 emails would qualify.

[quote] Even if she’s half lying I kind of am impressed that she came forward like this and do think it’s brave

Get out here you hysterical stalker uplifting straight fat frau r295

Is she a lawyer? How did she become one being as cray-cray as she is? How does she make a living these days?

I'm sure she's not any kind of actual lawyer r299. In her interview she is really reluctant to talk about her grades, her graduation, her actual jobs, anything. She might have a law degree, having managed to scrape through law school in some half-assed way by her own admission, but I doubt she has ever really practiced.

Yes R299 Fiona was a qualified lawyer.

A qualified lawyer who stalked and harassed a fellow lawyer with a disabled child.

[quote]I think Gadd has told the truth about some things but greatly exaggerated or made up other things to turn it into a hit show.

Which is why the series has the standard blurb at the end of each episode: "This program is based on real events: however certain characters, names, incidents, locations, and dialogue have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes."

[quote] But he shouldn't have put her on TV to be gawked at. She's not well.

She didn’t seem unwell in the interview. I don’t know what you’re talking about. She has every right to defend herself, even if she’s lying. Enough infantilizing.

Are there articles about the real woman being arrested for stalking like in the show?

I had to turn this thing off. No way it should have been 7 episodes. You get the point in the first episode.

[quote] A qualified lawyer who stalked and harassed a fellow lawyer with a disabled child.

What does a disabled child have to do with anything?

I agree she doesn’t seem “unwell” as much as she seems like a socially maladjusted weirdo, the local town kook that’s annoying to everyone, and they all laugh behind her back. We’ve all known people like this. They can cause real trouble so most people keep a friendly distance. Richard clearly didn’t.

The way she kept saying that Richard and the actress who played her were doing as many interviews as they could to cash in and make money was very telling.

The one point where she legit seemed to be lying and flailing in trying to cover it up was when she was talking about the charges years ago from the PM’s wife who had hired her. She was stumbling over her words, looking all over the place and kept repeating complicated legal terms over and over to hide behind.

I agree, 41,000 emails seems almost impossible. If she did bombard him with emails, texts and voice messages in her obsession I’m sure the number was much lower.

The Susan Boyles of the world have a new hero.

Go on morning telly and let them poofs give you a make-over luv!

It’ll do you a world ‘a good it will!

I was getting Edith Massey vibes

Susan Boyle has haggis breath!

[quote] What does a disabled child have to do with anything?

Ask Richard Gadd - he wrote the script.

A disabled child was not a part of Baby Reindeer r315

The real life Martha, Fiona, stalked another family before she stalked Richard Gadd

You don’t know what you’re talking about, do you r315

She’s clearly mentally unwell. Gadd mined his life experiences for entertainment but he’s quite an unreliable narrator stating he made every effort to protect the real identities of Martha and the tv exec rapist. The opposite is true. That actress has Fiona down to a tee and looks like her too!

Netflix were sloppy here. They should offer her a lump sum and an NDA.

[quote] A disabled child was not a part of Baby Reindeer [R315] The real life Martha, Fiona, stalked another family before she stalked Richard Gadd You don’t know what you’re talking about, do you [R315]

There’s a scene in Baby Reindeer where ‘Donny’ googles ‘Martha’ and sees a story about her stalking someone with a deaf child.

I’m not imagining it - others noticed it too.

[quote]Netflix were sloppy here. They should offer her a lump sum and an NDA.

No such thing as bad publicity.

Plus any lawsuits she brings will be tied up in court for years. And if she files in a British court, who knows what the outcome will be.

No 317

Fiona does not get to profit from her multiple crimes

Soon, one of Richard Gadd’s new stalkers will slit Fiona fat throat

[quote] Plus any lawsuits she brings will be tied up in court for years. And if she files in a British court, who knows what the outcome will be.

Mary! This isn’t Bleak House hun.

If Fiona sues in an English court the damage to her reputation will be seen as minimal. The portrayal of her was exaggerated but based in truth. She didn’t go to prison, an act that made the character of Martha more pitiful.

Martha was a stalker with serious mental health problems who hates Asians.

[quote]Are there articles about the real woman being arrested for stalking like in the show?

None that I've seen. I would think if she had an actual record Piers' team would have brought it up.

If she thinks this interview makes her looks good, she's mistaken. She's a nutter for sure. For her to repeatedly say she hasn't seen the show but was told about it, she knew a lot of plot points. And the fact that she knew Jessica Gunning's age and Piers' age shows this woman likes to dig up info on people.

She contradicted herself many times about how much interaction she had with Gadd. If she only met him 3 or so times (over the course of the interview the number went up) and she didn't like him as he interrupted a conversation she was having the first time they met, how ever did she get his phone number to text him? Why would she go to one of his shows? Why would she tweet support of his shows? She copped to having a plush or toy reindeer, how did that come up in conversation with him if they only engaged in banter a few times.

She won't sue. Too much about herself would go public.

But you never know.

"If you enjoyed the interview I recommend the Piers piece in the Post article posted a few down."

Ew, why are you promoting Piers? He's a right-wing nut

Fiona appears to have better hygiene and is a slightly better dresser than the haggard Martha character who lives in a filthy council flat.

Maybe yet another reason she's pissed is because the series falsely portrayed her as slovenly.

If you look at pictures of Fiona from a few years ago she looks closer to Martha in the show. Her hair is scraggly and she even has a hint of white roots right above the forehead (they even got that small detail right).

[r6] That was my very first thought as well! "I've mistakenly run to Windsor!"

If I was a stalker who was outed, I'd kill myself. Of course, there are lower scumbags such as pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. But stalkers are in a class of their own in regards to being pathetic and repellent.

it must be terrifying to have such a mentally unstable person fixated on you for no reason.

in the show the stalker even goes after the guy’s parents(tries to get his father fired from his job by accusing him of pedophilia, etc.) i wonder if any of that was true.

Why would you believe anything a stalker said, about anything related to the person they stalked or their closest contacts? That would be like believing a rapist saying their victim(s) "wanted it".

R331, try English.

R326, link to pix.

R323, the British courts are not the American. There is no first amendment right and any type of slander comes with mandatory fines and even sometimes jail sentences. All she would have to do is go after them for not protecting her which is UK law. They are fucked legally in the UK and the show may end up banned in Europe accordingly.

[quote][R323], the British courts are not the American. There is no first amendment right and any type of slander comes with mandatory fines and even sometimes jail sentences

No one in Britain (Scotland has a different legal system to England and Wales btw) has ever gone to prison simply for "slandering" someone. People can receive a prison sentence if they keep repeating a slander or libel that has been ruled or if it become harassment.

No one is going to ban the show or take it off streaming. If anything happens Netflix will chuck her some cash and it will all go away.

"It's a cult thing like the Moonies. I've had to block people who say they are determined to stalk me the same way I am stalking them."

I love how in the Piers Morgan interview, when she was watching a scene from the Netflix show she started thinking to herself about the stalking dates that are alleged in the dialogue, as though she was being put on trial herself right on Piers’s show. She has an answer for everything just in case. It’s hilarious.

R335, books are banned in the UK for potentially libelous material. Many people decide to simply not publish there because of this. It’s happened numerous times. They don’t have a first amendment right to speech unlike the US.

[quote] What does a disabled child have to do with anything?

IRL she apparently reported the lawyer for abusing his disabled child.

Which was really cruel r339, basically using the fact that the child had special needs and therefore the parents had to be around him so much against them. She really is a cunt and a half, and deep down she deserves all the shit that is coming her way, despite being kind of crazy. She has a deeply cuntish streak, and sometimes you pay the price for that. She is.

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I’m watching Piers Morgan. I love this crazy woman.

Piers also has a follow up discussion. The big question is “Why did Netflix claim this a true story” and “Why did they drop the ball?” Amateurs found this woman in minutes, why did Netflix not do the same and fact check what they said was a true story? If the woman never went to prison, that throws a curve to Netflix.

R266, TERI hurt me. Between the eyebrows the voice, the hips, and the horrendous acting, I was bleeding out like a stuck pig.

[quote][R335], books are banned in the UK for potentially libelous material. Many people decide to simply not publish there because of this. It’s happened numerous times. They don’t have a first amendment right to speech unlike the US.

Yes, such as the recent Rebel Wilson book.

But I reiterate no one has gone to prison for "slander" as was claimed.

Everybody's fixated on who the real Martha or the rapist director are. But I want to know if they ever found out who the real Teri is.

She stalked him for about two years, right?

That’s 730 days. 41000 dividdd by 730 is 56 messages a day. Let’s assume she slept 7 hours (unlikely), that left her with 17 hours a day to send shit. That’s 3 to 4 messages an hour.

On some days she‘d probably send 80 messages (voice notes, emails, texts), on others „only“ 35… it doesn’t matter: 3 to 4 messages an hour is nothing, 41k doesn’t seem too far-fetched.

And if the emails were anything like they appeared in the series - written and sent as if they were short text messages rather than emails - then the 41,000 number is entirely plausible.

Piers kept pushing her about what grade she got for her law degree. I felt sorry for her there because I identify. I was in college in the 80s and I don’t remember my gpa. I just remember that I was an average student, not top of the class and not bottom of the class.

If she goes ahead with a lawsuit, I wonder if they’ll call the other employees of the pub. In the show, he implied they were druggies, on the level that at times they couldn’t do their job (I think one time they leave him on his own so they can get drugs). There’s also the incident where they send her an email using his email account. I wonder if they will come forward and admit or deny.

Netflix has already assigned Gadd to another project. I wonder if they will continue to employ him?

Gadd’s lies are starting to fall apart, just like I said they would weeks ago. He’s the new James Frey.

When Donny is looking at Martha’s social media, there are photos of her with notable people, but she is thinner and younger. So, there was some truth to her story about her career? It’s scary to think how she from that to hanging out in the bar all day with nothing to do.

Also, did she remind anyone else of Tania Head?

Maybe I should watch it again but there were photos of Martha with politicians from the early 2010s - MPs Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband if I remember rightly. The photos did look deliberately photoshopped to me which made me think "oh this is a crazy one, inserting herself into other people's lives" which was backed up by all of the names in her phone list.

It's documented that in the early 2000s Fiona Harvey was stalking a Labour MP and First Minister of Scotland Donald Dewar.

Martha, you forgot to sign your post “ Sent from iphon” at r350

[quote]She stalked him for about two years, right?

He claims over four years.

R349 I think he did that because she claimed to have a photographic memory.

He also really pushed the emails leaving me to think he knows they exist.

I have to say the actress who played Martha really nailed Harvey’s mannerisms.

[quote]I have to say the actress who played Martha really nailed Harvey’s mannerisms.

Which makes me think that there are voicemails and recordings, possibly even video.

R351 I just assumed those photos were photoshopped.

"Don't you fucking touch me!" "You have no right, no right at all!" This is what women should say to men when put in uncompromising positions and say it loudly.

R350, that author says she’s #TeamFiona. She’s a bleeding heart commie. Pass.

I wonder if there’s anyone out there who can remember her interrupting Gadd’s comedy act? In the show, she did it at least twice. Whether it be an audience member or club owner or stage manager. I think I’d remember some fat woman yelling very specific things and having to be dragged out of a club.

Oof, DL's fucked up collective attitude towards sexual assault AND legitimisation of that cunt Piers Morgan on one thread. Just when I think you bitches couldn't outdo yourselves...

[quote]that author says she’s #TeamFiona. She’s a bleeding heart commie.

Camila Long of the Sunday Times, a commie? That's a new one.

[quote] Oof, DL's fucked up collective attitude towards sexual assault

Oh, that’s rich coming from a progressive commie.

I can confirm that whatever intoxicating substance you're using has kicked in and bedtime has arrived, r363.

I find it rich that a columnist from a Murdoch paper thinks she can pontificate about objective truth.

R361 Go fuck off back to the Markle threads, Sussex looney.

[quote]I find it rich that a columnist from a Murdoch paper thinks she can pontificate about objective truth.

Oh fuck off. The Times and Sunday Times have broken a lot of important stories over the years and do fantastic journalism.

Just another falsehood to add your slag heap of a posting history, r366.

Anybody who supports this obese butt corn crazy frau IS an obese butt corn crazy frau

Donny Dunn and Martha at BAFTA awards yesterday

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I kept thinking of DL when I was watching it. So many Marthas.

[quote] Camila Long of the Sunday Times, a commie? That's a new one.

I know! Of all the hacks…

i really don’t like richard gadd's hairstyle

This is the best thing to

Did anyone watch the Piers Morgan interview. This lady is scary. Also, she has the most annoying speech patterns, and goes “hmmmmmm” as he’s asking questions. She seems to have a real personal dislike of the actress who played Martha.

I’m really curious about what her last job was and when.

She's probably on "disability", R376.

[quote]I’m really curious about what her last job was and when.

Piers stayed clear of her work history, but I wanted to know that too. She said she had a boyfriend that she wanted to keep out of it so maybe he’s supporting her until she gets her payout from Netflix.

[quote] She said she had a boyfriend that she wanted to keep out of it so maybe he’s supporting her

No man is dating that psycho bitch

A "boyfriend". Right. Is the "boyfriend" aware they are dating?

[quote] Did anyone watch the Piers Morgan interview. This lady is scary. Also, she has the most annoying speech patterns, and goes “hmmmmmm” as he’s asking questions.

That’s a big vocal pattern in the UK now, like vocal fry.

Now she wants 1 million dollars from Piers for her interview. What a great lawyer to not know how to negotiate an appearance fee before said appearance.

She also talks how fake he is and speculates on his health.

In other words, r382, she met somebody and now she hates them forever cause REASONS. Story of this bitch's life, no doubt, over and over and over and over again.

OMG Will she stalk Piers?

We hope so r384!

Marina Hyde had a usual waspish take on the interview. She doesn't usually mention Piers in her articles, which isn't surprising considering their history.

[quote]Now she wants 1 million dollars from Piers for her interview. What a great lawyer to not know how to negotiate an appearance fee before said appearance.

And it’s especially hilarious because in the interview she specifically guesstimates what Gadd got from Netflix. She’s great at ballparking everyone else’s fee but her own.

Lawsuit incoming! Piers just met the shakedown queen.

Even more… it just keeps going

Maybe Gadd is a fantasist too.

"After stepping off the plane and clearing customs, he then encountered a huge mob of fans. He wondered if someone famous had been on his flight. Then he saw what they were all holding: printout posters of his Baby Reindeer alter ego, Donny Dunn. “They were going crazy,” Gadd says. He signed as many as he could. The crowd followed him as he left."

Gadd has issues, to put it mildly.

Calm down Fiona at r390. Your lawsuit will get proper consideration.

[quote] Your lawsuit will get proper consideration.

That's what Fiona is afraid of.

I recently watched The Sixth Commandment (BBC). At the beginning of every episode, they had a disclaimer (I'm paraphrasing): "This story is true. It is based on research, public events and news reporting. Some scenes have been created for dramatic effect."

That's all Netflix had to do to keep Fiona in check.

Netflix has a similar blurb, but at the very end of the credits.

"This program is based on real events: however certain characters, names, incidents, locations, and dialogue have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes."

[quote]Netflix has a similar blurb, but at the very end of the credits.

[quote]"This program is based on real events: however certain characters, names, incidents, locations, and dialogue have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes."

ARE YOU SAYING THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ? I'M A L*A*W*Y*E*R! I'M HAVING MY L*A*W*Y*E*R TRACE YOUR COMPUTER THINGY!

FIONA sent from my ifun

I didnt like it...stopped in mid series

Gadd is difficult to look at, good lord that hair...

I stopped during the second episode and doubt if I will go back. Why was he encouraging this creepy stalker woman? Why aren't his friends telling him to seek help with the stalker? He's not a sympathetic victim and if I, as a viewer, can't bear five minutes of his stalker, why would he continue to see her?encourage Why does this need seven episodes to unfold? He's likeable but only to the extent he's relatable, and that dissipates as the series goes on. It's obvious he's drawn to dangerous situations. Is there any honesty about how self-destructive he is or how crazy he was to involve himself with her? I would expect him to have serious drug and alcohol issues as well.

r398, most, if not all, of your questions are answered in the series. Of course you wouldn't know that as you bowed out after 2 episodes.

Only because I thought everyone in the series was repulsive. Different strokes, etc.

No lawsuit yet, nor will there be. It doesn't help that Harvey was just exposed for sending over 200 harassing, mocking emails to Labour Leader Keir Starmer, which also denigrated his wife. Harvey's an obvious liar and a serial stalker, and that would all come out in discovery. She's just trying to scrounge some coin and ride the gravy train of this show.

This woman is ghastly.

With the assistance of a senior English lawyer, Chris Daw KC, I am putting together a legal team, in the UK and in the US, to take forward legal action against all of those who have lied about me and used my image to make large sums of money for themselves, with such damaging consequences for me and my family. Chris is not formally retained on my behalf and will not be making any media statements of any kind, in relation to my position or any other media stories, until further notice.

Once I have a legal team in place, I expect that they will make a further statement, setting out the next steps that I will be taking to deal with everything that has happened, as a direct result of the dishonest and false picture of me, painted in Baby Reindeer and in the media generally.

thank you r398! i know victim narratives are super popular lately but i found the whole plot so. . . dumb, for lack of a better word. self flagellating repetitive nonsense.

i also think that his decision to play himself is super odd. i feel like the narrative might have had more heft if there was a younger actor the age he is supposed to be in the role?

I used to see tweets from Chris Daw and thought it was a parody account. But no he is a genuine KC desperate for attention.

She's loving all this attention. She voluntarily came forward, doing an interview with Piers Morgan, then claimed she's been impacted by the attention. Then she demanded £1 million off him.

All this legal action is another bid for attention. The show didn't mention her by name and they always change plotlines in TV shows that are "based on real life".

Sent from my iPhone

The only thing I learned from r405 is that they didn't read any of the previous posts saying the same thing.

True, but 404 posts take a long time to read and I don't think there's a requirement for every post in a thread to be unique.

While similar to others, I suspect my post still had small hints of originality, even if it was only my sign-off.

Snet from iphoen

[quote] I would expect him to have serious drug and alcohol issues as well.

He's Scottish, so ...

I think he very well covers his problems with major drugs in the series!

She's finally getting a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end of non-stop abuse.

She stalked Keir Starmer too. Sent him 276 abusive emails.

Seems like she has a stalking victim for every fat roll.

Richard Gadd creates things

Fiona Harvey destroys things

She's suing

Good luck with that lawsuit, freak.

A breakdown of what that $170 million ask is for.

A. Judgment against Defendants for actual damages, the sum to be determined at trial, but is believed to exceed $50 million, exclusive of legal fees, costs and statutory interest;

B. Judgment against Defendants for compensatory damages in the maximum amount allowed by law, in an amount to exceed $50 million, exclusive of legal fees and costs, including mental anguish, loss of enjoyment of life and loss of business;

C. Judgment against Defendants for all profits from Baby Reindeer, in the maximum amount allowed by law, in an amount to exceed $50 million, exclusive of legal fees and costs;

D. Judgment against Defendants for punitive damages in the maximum amount allowed under law, and believed to exceed $20 million;

E. Pre-judgment interest at the legally prescribed rate from the date of the violations until judgment as well as post-judgment interest as applicable;

F. An award of attorneys’ fees.

G. Such other general relief to Harvey is just entitled.

I hope Netflix doesn't settle. She outed herself. If she hadn't came forward her identity would just be known on social media. She went to the Daily Express and Piers Morgan and told the world it was her.

^ Agree with this.

Not sure how the US lawsuit will work - it was mentioned in the UK that she would sue because she could prove she had never been charged with a criminal offence and never went to prison.

I depends how much of the rest is true, but I can't imagine a judge being too sympathetic to someone claiming their reputation has been damaged if 90% of what was said about them is true.

The female lawyer she stalked has evidence against her; Gadd certainly does, as does Kier Starmer. Her big claim--that she was never convicted of stalking as is dramatized on the show--will fail, I would think, because Netflix included an additional statement: “This program is based on real events: however certain characters, names, incidents, locations, and dialogue have been fictionalized for dramatic purposes.”

Also, as has been pointed out, she wasn't named. She outed herself.

R419, she wasn't named in the series, but people were able to identify her before she ever spoke to the press. You can see play out upthread.

If she doesn't want known as a freak stalker she shouldn't have stalked people.

That stuff tends to get around, Netflix series or not.

Going on TV and bringing a lawsuit, screaming about being outed as a stalker, when you could have just denied the character wasn't really you or pretended it wasn't you, is next level attention whoring on top of the stalking issue.

She should have changed her name, her appearance, and moved to another city.

She didn’t out herself.

Remembering how minded in real time I feel like people on the internet slowly but surely discovered her identity and they were the ones who named her, en masse. Then her name was everywhere online and then in the media because the press picked up on it. It was after that they she came forward and started doing interviews, etc. to tell her side of the story.

*how it unfolded* not *how minded*

The full Piers Morgan is 45 minutes long and worth listening to; people are saying the actress really nailed the part. She flatly denies that she ever emailed, called or texted him more than a handful of times.Morgan keeps coming back to say, well you know they can produce these as evidence at trial if they exist and she’s not fussed because she never did that. And if Gadd produces phone messages, well he must have been surreptitiously recording their conversations at the pub.

She also goes into a confusing explanation of her law degree and then a conflict that she had with another woman and throws around a lot of legal terms very rapidly which you’d need to be a lawyer to understand if she’s making sense.

And of course the Behavior Panel has done an episode on it, also on YouTube. I’ve only listened to the first bit and they’re already annoying, going into the weeds with “truth” and “fact” and . I think they form a conclusion and then work back to find evidence to support it. This must’ve been an easy one for them.

I fucking hated this show and everyone who told me to watch it. I was rooting for cancer the whole time. What fucking thoroughly unlikable people, and he more than she. She's mentally ill. He's just a dick closet case who loves attention. His comedy bits were the equivalent of the Family Circus come to life. He has the morals of a five year old with his fingers crossed. And his "brave" decision to play himself was ridiculous, and narsy, just like we'd expect.

Hated this show. Made it through 2 episodes and bailed. Hated everyone but the tranny.

R426 Meh, tranny kind of bugged me too. Wasn't she pretty indignant about how he should show this poor girl compassion since she's damaged, but then got into a shit talking slap fight with her later? Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. Also, the fact she's a tranny is something Martha would have really scorned him for, yet she didn't. Wtf? When he said he wanted kids to let her down easy, I figured her next email would be something like, "motherfucker, what? so you're gonna have kids with that dude in the wig then? fuck off"

He didn't name her. Bottom line. She decided to confirm what other people were saying online. Yes, many pointed to her from things people saw in watching the show, but Gadd and Netflix never named her. Whether that can be used against them is up to a jury to decide, if this even reaches a jury.

For her to say she has a case to sue because she was never convicted of stalking him, in the face of all the evidence against her that he has that can be proven, is almost comical. And the only reason she hasn't been convicted on any of the stalking campaigns she has waged only points to the dismal way stalking isn't treated sertiously.

[quote] She decided to confirm what other people were saying online.

I would also add she didn't have to confirm anything. She chose to.

Gee, you mean people stalked her online? I wonder how that felt for her.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

So he was being stalked by Romeo Void?

[quote] she wasn't named in the series, but people were able to identify her before she ever spoke to the press.

I don't know if it's a legal basis in the U.S., but in the UK they have jigsaw identification where if one provides info that could identify someone, it's the same as actually naming them. Considering BABY REINDEER used phrases from her tweets, Jessica Gunning's Martha is a Scot just like Harvey, similarly shaped, same profession, etc; by the UK's standard the depiction on the show was the same as outright declaring Fiona Harvey was Martha.

R316 Yes, there was a disabled child. R318 You didn't imagine it. The scene where she comes to the bar and starts heckling him and is telling the other patron "ask him about this, ask him about that" and he said, "ask her about stalking the deaf kid" and she flips the fuck out and breaks that glass on his head. And still, this ugly motherfucker continued to talk to her.

[quote] Jessica Gunning's Martha is a Scot just like Harvey

No, R432, Gunning isn't. She's British.

[quote] I don't know if it's a legal basis in the U.S., but in the UK they have jigsaw identification where if one provides info that could identify someone, it's the same as actually naming them.

The lawsuit was filed in California, however, R432.

What he’s saying is the character was made Scottish as opposed to Irish or Canadian.

The one thing to come out of all this is that now that she's world-infamous as a stalker, any more of her antics will be met with an onslaught of reciprocal attacks, harsh media attention, threats, and maybe, now that the full display of her virulently ugly behavior has been revealed, will result in an actual conviction, or at the very least, she herself being sued.

The very credible lawyer who went on Piers Morgan and who has evidence of Harvey stalking her says if Harvey wins a lawsuit, then SHE will sue Harvey.

Oh please… this show’s success is the best thing to happen to everyone involved. Especially Fiona.

CASE CLOSED

R431 This is the humor I come to DataLounge for.

R432, U.S. law tends to be less favorable to libel/defamation plaintiffs, but there have been cases in which people have successfully sued creators of works of fiction. It’s clear that the person does not have to be named, but must nonetheless be clearly identifiable.

[quote]Jessica Gunning's Martha is a Scot just like Harvey.

[quote]No, [R432], Gunning isn't. She's British.

Scotland IS part of Britain. Gunning is English (also part of Britain).

There’s another guy on YouTube, Gary 828 who downloaded all of Fiona’s Facebook posts before she took her account private. He’s made several videos about her Facebook posts, her interview on Piers Morgan, and the blond lawyer whom she stalked earlier also interviewed by Piers Morgan. It’s a lot of material. In one he reads all Fiona’s posts for ONE day (just targeting the blond lawyer) and it takes him 30 minutes (don’t actually listen to it because he affects a weird accent which is really annoying). The point being, you’ll have no doubt that she actually sent 40,000 emails to that guy.

[quote]Jessica Gunning's Martha is a Scot just like Harvey.

If you read closely to what I wrote, I pointed out how the series made many traits of Fiona Harvey similar to the Martha, when they could have made changes so that she wasn't easily identifiable.

Well even if she is arrested, she knows a girl in trouble is a temporary thing.

He should have changed her profession. That would have helped.

I think she was so easily tracked down because they looked at his social media and determined who had sent the most posts/tweets and she used her real name.

oh ugh: September 23, 2014: @MrRichardGadd my curtains need hung badly

The network should just go ahead and settle with her for maybe 25 mil, she has a good case.

Let it go to trial. She'll get damages of 1.

The point, R442, is that Gunning is not Scottish.

No one said Jessica Gunning was Scottish, just that MARTHA was portrayed as Scottish when they could have made her anything else but to make her less similar to Fiona Harvey.

She should sue him/Netflix and I hope she wins. I'm tired of Netflix and their bullshit. Their shows suck and are always 5 episodes too long. This dude is a sociopath and a glutton for punishment. Maybe I would feel bad for him but the most ridiculous part of the whole thing is him going back to the writer guy after being drugged and raped by him. It makes me think, Richard, that you view your relationships as transactional, that your addicted to chaos, and that you only do things that make you feel good. Get some fucking therapy.

So, R452, you completely ignore this sociopathic stalker and her mental illness, and the fact that she called child services on one of her victims and reported her (bogusly) to protective care just to fuck with the poor woman, whose husband had died?

If you don't recognize and acknloewledge the person who really has the mental illness, I think YOU have the mental illness.

Also, your rant about Netflix is comical--you're "tired of tneir bullshit" (whatever bullshot you're referring to) and because the episodes are too long! MARY!!!

Agree with r453. This woman is a nut and a stalker. Gadd has issues but Harvey is worse

I also agree with R453.

The fat stalker is bonkers and deserves $0.

R453 Whether she called CPS on someone else has nothing to do with his case, though. I'm talking about his story with her and the fact that he continued to engage with her when he knew how deranged she was. Willingly hanging out with someone like that makes him mentally ill too. Why does he get a pass? He's as twisted as she is. But honestly, I hated them both, this story was just two antagonists going on way too long. The fact he involved his ex' mom was obnoxious too. He's just an asshole, and yes, she is too. But she didn't write and sell a thinly veiled story about him and then act coy about it later. He clearly made some dough on this thing and she should get paid too.

[quote] He's as twisted as she is.

No, R456, her's not. He didn't stalk three different people for years and years, send child protective services to some innocent person's house on a lying claim of child abuse, mocj dead spouses, and send abusive and threatening emails to the head of the UK Labour Party, all in all sending thousands upon thousands of emails, texts, voice messages, etc., to all these different victims. This is not comparable in any way.

Hilarious R456 thinks Harvey should be compensated for stalking. So you're fine with the female barrister she stalked suing her and getting damages from Harvey, then, I assume?

Sure R458. I don't care about the other cases, I'm talking about this one in particular. He made money off her and so did Netflix. They should compensate her. You can keep bringing that up and I'll continue to say it has fuck all to do with this.

R456 also thinks Charles Manson's estate should be paid, because so many people have made so much money telling tales of his crimes over the years. Why shouldn't Manson get paid too?

Gotta love weird creepy cute slightly crazy big dicked bisexual men.

Watching the two Morgan interviews, the first with Harvey and the second with Ray, is fascinating. You really see exactly how crazy Harvey is.

Example: “I was hired because they needed someone to do employment law and I’m quite good at employment law.” She also mentions being a lawyer several times indicating that she works as one.

Ray then states that Harvey couldn’t get the basic training job lawyers there are supposed to get within two years of graduation and that to her knowledge, Harvey has never practiced law.

I don’t blame Ray for being worried for her physical safety.

Finally got to watch this. The lead is too old to play himself in his 20's. I thought the stalker ultimately came across as a sympathetic figure . Overall, I found it underwhelming and didn't live up to all that hype.

OMG, I cant stop thinking about it, I had not bothered to read about any of the hype so I started watching it clean. I didnt even know it was the actual guy. My partner could not leave the room either once I turned it on, we were both hooked. I can relate to the first 1/3 of it a bit because in my younger days, there were a couple of woman that latched onto me that same way. One even looked like her. But nothing nearly as extreme as what happened to this guy.

She's filed a lawsuit with Netfilx for over 140 million. She's already mad too many mistakes in public to win. But even if they settle years later for 1 million, just to shut her the F up, imaging a stocker with 1 million to spend.

She's also filed a lawsuit with Peirce Morgan. She got paid around $300 US and wants 1 million.

Now George Galloway has identified her as the woman who stalked him in the 80s.

There are hilarious videos as YouTube showing her Facebook posts - she posts several times a day. I have no doubt she send Gad 40,000 emails.

Sent

She doesn’t want to go to trial. The jury will be creeped out by her, and praying she doesn’t figure out their identities.

[quote]Now George Galloway has identified her as the woman who stalked him in the 80s.

If Galloway has claimed Fiona Harvey stalked him then certain she didn't.