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I don't think the other members of the What's My Line panel liked Dorothy Kilgallen, Part 5

For those of us not quite ready to say good night to our esteemed panel.

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by Anonymousreply 600May 17, 2024 2:37 AM

Previous thread.

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by Anonymousreply 1April 14, 2024 8:02 AM

WML is Forever!

by Anonymousreply 2April 14, 2024 12:25 PM

[quote] Was Edith [Head] ever a MG on WML?

No, but she was on You Bet Your Life.

by Anonymousreply 3April 14, 2024 2:13 PM

^ Let's try that again.

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by Anonymousreply 4April 14, 2024 2:14 PM

From the previous thread:

[quote]Silvers, Gleason, Meadows, Skelton (by the mid-'50s), Lucy & Desi, Burns & Allen, Eve Arden. And several like Silvers, Gleason & Meadows, Arden, Lucy & Desi were bigger on TV than they had been in their earlier careers.

In the 1950s most were known as movie stars and/or B'way who were now popular on TV. They were familiar names long before they ever set foot in a TV studio.

by Anonymousreply 5April 14, 2024 3:57 PM

Many of them were half forgotten already…hence a rush to TV.

by Anonymousreply 6April 14, 2024 3:59 PM

R6 that is not true at all.

by Anonymousreply 7April 14, 2024 4:05 PM

Prove it

by Anonymousreply 8April 14, 2024 5:13 PM

We're not used to such a combative tone in the WML threads, R8.

by Anonymousreply 9April 14, 2024 5:35 PM

Of course, most if not all of those TV stars from the 1950s were from other mediums. That was my point when I said that most of the TV stars who were 1950s MGs were originally movie, Broadway or recording artists, not merely TV stars. Mere TV stars were not employed as MGs back then. As I said, Art Linkletter was the rare exception.

I think at this point we're all arguing the same point. Anyway, I promise I'll move on now....

by Anonymousreply 10April 14, 2024 6:07 PM

[quote]Mere TV stars were not employed as MGs back then. As I said, Art Linkletter was the rare exception.

Actually Linkletter was well known for his radio program. He was a well known celebrity before TV.

R8 There is nothing to prove.

The careers of the big name TV stars of the 1950s listed in previous posts never paused enough to be "forgotten". Lucy as an example was in major films all through the 1940s and ended that decade as star of a popular radio program. Eve Arden also acted in film through the 40s and was hugely popular on radio. "Our Miss Brooks" was first a radio show before transferring to TV. Burns&Allen never stopped working from the 1920s. And again: The Burns and Allen Show was first a hit radio program that ran all through the 1940s. Same for Jack Benny. Dinah Shore had hit records. Perry Como was a recording star. And so on.

by Anonymousreply 11April 14, 2024 8:00 PM

That was an interesting reply. Thanks.

R9 see, that’s how it is done.

by Anonymousreply 12April 14, 2024 8:13 PM

Hedda as panelist 2

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by Anonymousreply 13April 14, 2024 8:25 PM

^Harriet looks stricken.

by Anonymousreply 14April 14, 2024 8:26 PM

Edith Head gave great wardrobe!

by Anonymousreply 15April 14, 2024 8:26 PM

I had a laugh when Hedda told the skunk breeder that someone once sent her a skunk.

by Anonymousreply 16April 14, 2024 8:34 PM

Wasn't the sender Joan Bennett, r16?

by Anonymousreply 17April 14, 2024 8:35 PM

The mermaid in the fishbowl looks a little like Judy.

by Anonymousreply 18April 14, 2024 9:07 PM

I had to google what a steeplejack does.

by Anonymousreply 19April 14, 2024 11:57 PM

And now, r19...you know.

by Anonymousreply 20April 14, 2024 11:58 PM


by Anonymousreply 21April 14, 2024 11:58 PM

From the brain of R19

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by Anonymousreply 22April 15, 2024 12:00 AM

R11: they were at the stage where they would have been forgotten. Most were B-picture people in an era when studios made fewer Bs. The neighborhood theaters that showed them were disappearing. Lucy was never more than a B-picture player which is probably why she wound up on radio,

by Anonymousreply 23April 15, 2024 12:08 AM

R23 So you've gone from:

[quote]Many of them were half forgotten already


[quote]they were at the stage where they would have been forgotten

Very good.

by Anonymousreply 24April 15, 2024 12:30 AM

I've really lost the thread of this argument.

by Anonymousreply 25April 15, 2024 12:57 AM

But you still have the argument of this thread-so there’s that…

by Anonymousreply 26April 15, 2024 1:09 AM

Roseanne could have played Louella Parsons.

by Anonymousreply 27April 15, 2024 1:23 AM

Improbably, Elizabeth Taylor did play Louella opposite Jane Alexander's Hedda in some awful 1980s TV movie.

by Anonymousreply 28April 15, 2024 1:50 AM

Yes, r26, but I can't really figure out what the 2 sides of the argument are anymore.

Oh, well.

by Anonymousreply 29April 15, 2024 1:51 AM

Let's talk of Lamar, that Hedy so fair.

Why does she let Joan Bennett wear all her old hair?

by Anonymousreply 30April 15, 2024 1:56 AM

The balloon seller in the Louella episode on the previous thread is handsome.

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by Anonymousreply 31April 15, 2024 2:00 AM

though he has serial killer eyes.

by Anonymousreply 32April 15, 2024 2:07 AM

Louella was 80 in that episode so no wonder she seems doddery.

by Anonymousreply 33April 15, 2024 2:17 AM

And that DRESS! What kind of material was that and did she know that it was covered in wrinkles.

by Anonymousreply 34April 15, 2024 2:19 AM

For R28

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by Anonymousreply 35April 15, 2024 2:26 AM

Both of the first two guests in that clip were very handsome!

by Anonymousreply 36April 15, 2024 2:34 AM

That poor London taxi cab driver in R13. They kept saying his name wrong. Things started off badly when Daly had to wrestle the chalk out of his hand.

by Anonymousreply 37April 15, 2024 2:39 AM

[Quote] I don't think the other members of the What's My Line panel liked Dorothy Kilgallen

I’m really amazed IDTTOMOTWMLPLDK is still doing so well! Fifth thread!

by Anonymousreply 38April 15, 2024 2:49 AM

Arlene is a Datalounge Saint -we can talk about her endlessly.

And we do!

by Anonymousreply 39April 15, 2024 3:02 AM

Arlene is a character in Thomas Mallon’s great book “Finale.” She’s fantastic, always friendly, funny, and discreet.

by Anonymousreply 40April 15, 2024 3:06 AM

Bennett moderates. How did he do?

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by Anonymousreply 41April 15, 2024 3:22 AM

Not well.

by Anonymousreply 42April 15, 2024 4:03 AM

Sal Mineo

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by Anonymousreply 43April 15, 2024 5:21 AM

Did Phyllis marry up or down when she married Robert Wagner after Bennett died?

by Anonymousreply 44April 15, 2024 3:47 PM

Robert F. Wagner Jr.!

by Anonymousreply 45April 15, 2024 4:43 PM

Louella's dress had to be baggy enough so that it could conceal her ostomy bag.

by Anonymousreply 46April 15, 2024 7:05 PM

I was distressed to see Louella, god bless her, hobbling around in 5" stiletto heels when she struggled to leave the stage. Some habits never die. I wonder how many years she had left.

by Anonymousreply 47April 15, 2024 7:08 PM

Louella died in 1972, R47. She was 91.

by Anonymousreply 48April 15, 2024 7:22 PM

"Louella" is a pretty cool name though.

by Anonymousreply 49April 15, 2024 7:48 PM

Edgar Bergen.

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by Anonymousreply 50April 15, 2024 7:48 PM

Did they ever call Louella "Cruella" behind her back?

by Anonymousreply 51April 15, 2024 7:49 PM

[quote]"Louella" is a pretty cool name though.

"Hedda" is cooler.

by Anonymousreply 52April 15, 2024 7:52 PM

Louella and Hedda sound like they would be classmates at the Dalton School in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 53April 15, 2024 8:15 PM

Dalton accepts anyone with $$$. Or real brains, if you’re not of their kind. No others need apply.

by Anonymousreply 54April 15, 2024 8:25 PM

Maybe in 1913, r53.

by Anonymousreply 55April 15, 2024 8:26 PM

Candice doesn't have that mid-Atlantic speaking voice Edgar has. Maybe it's all that radio he did.

by Anonymousreply 56April 15, 2024 9:11 PM

[quote]Maybe in 1913, [R53]

You've very out of it. Those vintage retro names are all the rage among the well-to-do.

by Anonymousreply 57April 15, 2024 10:50 PM

I can't say I've heard of any baby girls with the names Hedda or Louella recently or....ever, r57.

by Anonymousreply 58April 16, 2024 12:04 AM

R58 Do you suffer from autism?

by Anonymousreply 59April 16, 2024 12:07 AM

Dorothy on the TTTT panel.

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by Anonymousreply 60April 16, 2024 12:16 AM

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by Anonymousreply 61April 16, 2024 12:18 AM

Idiot at r59:

I'm not arguing that old-fashioned names are back in style. Simply that Hedda and Louella are not 2 of them. Nor soon likely to be.

And I'm sorry to see your ugliness attempting to penetrate these most civilized threads.

by Anonymousreply 62April 16, 2024 12:24 AM

R62 In a world where retro names are making a comeback (see the names at R61), the comment "Louella and Hedda sound like they would be classmates at the Dalton School in NYC" is easily understood. Most people understand the words "would be" and the intended irony.

by Anonymousreply 63April 16, 2024 12:35 AM

Neither of you are Dalton material.

by Anonymousreply 64April 16, 2024 12:39 AM

Edgar Bergen 2

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by Anonymousreply 65April 16, 2024 1:28 AM

I went to Dalton...

by Anonymousreply 66April 16, 2024 1:47 AM

I think the correct name is B. Dalton, R66. Did you find anything interesting in the remainders bin?

by Anonymousreply 67April 16, 2024 2:06 AM

Another dummy on the panel in R65.

by Anonymousreply 68April 16, 2024 2:08 AM

No, r67, they were doing a show and a friend was doing the costumes and I went with him one day to go through their stock.

by Anonymousreply 69April 16, 2024 2:22 AM

Edgar Bergen was insufferable.

by Anonymousreply 70April 16, 2024 2:26 AM

Grace Kelly on R65 as the second contestant.

by Anonymousreply 71April 16, 2024 2:29 AM

Edgar and Candice.

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by Anonymousreply 72April 16, 2024 7:22 AM

It won't be a surprise to us that this compilation of WML uncomfortable moments is mostly Dorothy acting a donkey. I'd never seen the clip of Dorothy throwing shade at Arlene over the dumbbell accident before; it was beyond the pale even for her.

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by Anonymousreply 73April 16, 2024 9:03 AM

Dorothy's sneeze is like she is having a seizure.

by Anonymousreply 74April 16, 2024 9:36 AM

That second intruder alert is scary. How can someone just walk on to the set like that?

by Anonymousreply 75April 16, 2024 12:26 PM

r75, they all seemed to take it in stride, which seems weird now. I would have thought the panel, sitting there blindfolded, would have been particularly freaked out.

by Anonymousreply 76April 16, 2024 12:55 PM

[quote] I would have thought the panel, sitting there blindfolded, would have been particularly freaked out.

It was a very different, more secure, time.

by Anonymousreply 77April 16, 2024 1:41 PM

Dorothy on TTTT was very much out of her element. He first questioned had to be overruled by Bud Collyer. She was the subject of laughter - inexplicable to her - from the studio audience throughout the show. And her elitism was very much on display. Asking the (male) cop/hairdresser contestants about whether they knew the identity of Jackie Kennedy's or Princess Grace's hairdresser. And asking an American race car driver about European races. It appears that might have been her sole appearance as a TTTT panelist.

by Anonymousreply 78April 16, 2024 2:42 PM

[quote]"Hedda" is cooler.

Hedda's real name was Elda Furry.

by Anonymousreply 79April 16, 2024 3:57 PM

I'm not sure I wanted to see those intruder outtakes. The pleasure of watching the show is that it gives a cosy feeling as if you are a guest at a private party. To see someone break into that with the reality of the TV audience, where the intruders presumably came from, shatters the illusion.

by Anonymousreply 80April 16, 2024 6:30 PM

I saw the cute singing garbage boys on Buzzr the other night.

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by Anonymousreply 81April 16, 2024 6:47 PM

R81, since, unfortunately, BuzzR is showing the same limited number of episodes of WML - & TTTT & IGaS, too - over & over again, you'll see them again in short order.

by Anonymousreply 82April 16, 2024 6:55 PM

I guess I won't have to bother setting the VCR, then, R82.

by Anonymousreply 83April 16, 2024 7:48 PM

R83, I was so excited by the BuzzR announcement that it would be showing the Big 3 - with original commercials!!! - overnight. Then I realized that the channel was just regurgitating the same limited number of shows. In the case of WML, all the shows are from the brief Fred Allen era.

by Anonymousreply 84April 16, 2024 8:01 PM

Just go to youtube and type in What's My Line and hundreds of clips will magically appear leading to hundreds more. And mostly without commercials.

by Anonymousreply 85April 16, 2024 8:18 PM

Did you spot the look Jane Fonda gives Dorothy after Dorothy says to her "Say something, Jane" in the uncomfortable moments clip?

by Anonymousreply 86April 17, 2024 12:07 AM

Building on R85's post, please consider subscribing to the YouTube channel where most of the episodes posted here come from. This man has compiled and posted every episode of the show that is known to exist. There are even a handful where he's taken the original commercials from another source and edited them into the higher quality version broadcast on GSN. It must have been an enormous amount of work, and we've all received a lot of enjoyment from his efforts.

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by Anonymousreply 87April 17, 2024 4:13 AM

The Melina Mercouri intruder full episode.

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by Anonymousreply 88April 17, 2024 4:37 AM

Why do you think Melina puts her finger in her mouth in reaction to the intruder?

by Anonymousreply 89April 17, 2024 4:55 AM

[quote]I was so excited by the BuzzR announcement that it would be showing the Big 3 - with original commercials!!! - overnight. Then I realized that the channel was just regurgitating the same limited number of shows. In the case of WML, all the shows are from the brief Fred Allen era.

And a lot of the "To Tell the Truth" episodes feature Polly Bergen, whom I always liked but find absolutely insufferable on TTTT.

by Anonymousreply 90April 17, 2024 5:44 AM

Melina Mercouri seemed so non-plussed by the intruder you'd think she thought he was a part of regular programming.

by Anonymousreply 91April 17, 2024 12:29 PM

Perhaps because she had never bothered to watch it before?

by Anonymousreply 92April 17, 2024 2:22 PM

Do you think back in the day, many female contestants dreaded walking out to hear wolf whistling? Or not hear it?

It's such a weird and truly unlikely aspect of WML. Something I can't remember encountering on any other programs from the 50s and 60s, that vulgar whistling and cat-calling for non-celebrity women (many of which barely even deserved it).

by Anonymousreply 93April 17, 2024 5:34 PM

Agree. What would it be like to dress up to the nines hoping that you might get the whistle, and then . . . silence. And no passes from Bennett or John Daly. (At least Hal Block was good for something; he'd drool over anyone.)

by Anonymousreply 94April 17, 2024 6:56 PM

[quote]that vulgar whistling and cat-calling

It wasn't considered vulgar.

by Anonymousreply 95April 17, 2024 7:26 PM

[quote] At least Hal Block was good for something; he'd drool over anyone.

As did Robert Q. Lewis, another lifelong bachelor who sat on the panel occasionally.

by Anonymousreply 96April 17, 2024 7:30 PM

Was Robert Q. Lewis nominated for an Emmy for pretending to be interested in women?

by Anonymousreply 97April 17, 2024 9:06 PM

Melina 2

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by Anonymousreply 98April 17, 2024 9:28 PM

R95, eh ... it was a little vulgar to be so boisterous about it. Gentlemen were quieter.

Did a representative of the show advise contestants on what to wear? I ask because often the women in, shall we say, less feminine jobs and sometimes those in professional jobs are dressed in skintight cocktail dresses designed to elicit admiration, stares and whistles. I wonder if this was the contestant's own idea to show that, even though she's a lady wrestler, she's "still a girl", or was it advice from someone at WML on how to fool the panel by looking girly even though she's a prison guard.

by Anonymousreply 99April 18, 2024 12:10 AM

The wolf-whistling was decidedly vulgar on a show that prided itself on its good manners in every other context.

by Anonymousreply 100April 18, 2024 12:30 AM

I often feel like I hear Johnny.....ugh, I'm spacing on his last name - the announcer - leading the cat-calls.

by Anonymousreply 101April 18, 2024 12:31 AM

R100 You really, really don't get it. You are seeing it in the context of 2024.

There is a reason that the show that "prided itself on its good manners" did non frown upon the whistles. Because it was considered "good fun", it was playful. It was the norm.

It was the WWII and Post-War era of legs, breasts, curves. The Betty Grable pin-up. Girls got whistles.

Listen up and learn:

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by Anonymousreply 102April 18, 2024 12:48 AM

Johnny Olsen, R101.

by Anonymousreply 103April 18, 2024 12:50 AM


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by Anonymousreply 104April 18, 2024 12:54 AM

R102 "Brother, you can't go to jail for what you're thinking"

by Anonymousreply 105April 18, 2024 12:58 AM

By the time Garbo Talks was made in the 1980s the wolf whistle was decidedly not cool.

1943 go to 3:30

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by Anonymousreply 106April 18, 2024 12:58 AM

^ Sorry! Go to 2:30 in the video

by Anonymousreply 107April 18, 2024 1:00 AM

On one of the shows Daly tells the audience not to whistle because it blows out the microphones.

by Anonymousreply 108April 18, 2024 1:15 AM

Brian Epstein, Tony Bennett.

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by Anonymousreply 109April 18, 2024 1:27 AM

Never knew Paul Anka was such a little guy.

by Anonymousreply 110April 18, 2024 1:29 AM

r102, why don't we see that kind of wolf-whistling and catcalls on any other 1950s TV shows - not the sitcoms and dramas, but the quiz and talk shows?

Misogyny reigned, I'll give you that, but I'm old enough to remember that behavior in everyday life (born in 1949!) and I assure you it was not much of a thing on prime time live TV anywhere but WML.

by Anonymousreply 111April 18, 2024 1:44 AM

R111 When Dagmar made an entrance on her show, she got whistles.

As far as WML? is concerned: what other game show had women make a solo entrance, a walk and then turn their back on the audience?

by Anonymousreply 112April 18, 2024 3:07 AM

[quote] I wonder if this was the contestant's own idea to show that, even though she's a lady wrestler, she's "still a girl", or was it advice from someone at WML on how to fool the panel by looking girly even though she's a prison guard.

R99 Arlene commented on more than one occasion when questioning a contestant that the producers sometimes tried to lead the panel astray with the appearance of a contestant being unexpected for their job. That may have included how the contestant was dressed for the show.

by Anonymousreply 113April 18, 2024 3:16 AM

Ya think?

by Anonymousreply 114April 18, 2024 5:07 AM

Paul Anka was on the panel for the Liberace episode.

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by Anonymousreply 115April 18, 2024 6:49 AM

Oh he punches Paul in the face at his exit.

by Anonymousreply 116April 18, 2024 6:52 AM

R115: "Miss Kilgallen's Wigs by S Klein of Union Square"

by Anonymousreply 117April 18, 2024 12:00 PM

Do we expect someone like Jayne Mansfield to get wolf whistles and cat calls?

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by Anonymousreply 118April 18, 2024 6:52 PM

Then again the first contestant got them too.

by Anonymousreply 119April 18, 2024 7:04 PM

Rat hair!

by Anonymousreply 120April 18, 2024 7:31 PM

In the '50s, even contestants who looked like the archetypal "spinster librarian" got wolf whistles. It was weird.

by Anonymousreply 121April 18, 2024 7:32 PM

Arlene looks rough in that Jayne episode, without her white makeup. Maybe she was going for a more natural look.

by Anonymousreply 122April 18, 2024 7:50 PM

All 3 ladies at r118 got whistles and the drummer at the end was the best looking. A timeless kind of youthful beauty.

That was 1966. How much longer would wolf-whistles be tolerated? Were wolf whistles employed in the syndicated version?

by Anonymousreply 123April 18, 2024 10:25 PM

Jayne 2

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by Anonymousreply 124April 18, 2024 10:34 PM

Wig issues!

by Anonymousreply 125April 18, 2024 10:40 PM

The ant houser maker is cute.

by Anonymousreply 126April 18, 2024 10:40 PM

Oh boy the huge fashion model i fear got some derisive reactions.

by Anonymousreply 127April 18, 2024 10:50 PM

[quote] Were wolf whistles employed in the syndicated version?

R123 Not as I recall. The entrance of contestants was accompanied by music. In addition, there was no more use of Miss, Mrs., or Mr. The syndicated version ran from 1968 to 1975. Things changed a lot from the mid-1960s during that period.

by Anonymousreply 128April 19, 2024 12:45 AM

The first contestant here is female and she gets wolf whistles.

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by Anonymousreply 129April 19, 2024 7:05 PM

Hasn't that same horsediver been on before?

by Anonymousreply 130April 19, 2024 7:07 PM

I don’t know about the horsediver, R130, but there was a fair amount of crossovers among the Big 3 Goodson-Todman shows.

by Anonymousreply 131April 19, 2024 7:13 PM

I’m shocked! R131

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by Anonymousreply 132April 19, 2024 7:22 PM

When they said at r129 they had film of the young lady high diving into the water on a horse, I had to turn off the clip. I couldn't watch it. Would it be considered cruel to the animal nowadays? Is this sort of thing still done (I hope not)?

by Anonymousreply 133April 19, 2024 7:56 PM

Yes the same horsediver is on R118.

by Anonymousreply 134April 19, 2024 7:57 PM

In the R118 show she talks about how the horse is not pushed but chooses when it wants to dive.

by Anonymousreply 135April 19, 2024 7:58 PM

Same horse diver but Arlene didn't recognize her just 2 years later??

by Anonymousreply 136April 19, 2024 8:05 PM

Joanna Barnes was a most likable panelist on the syndicated show.

by Anonymousreply 137April 19, 2024 8:22 PM

[quote] Same horse diver but Arlene didn't recognize her just 2 years later??

Maybe she didn't recognize her in color.

by Anonymousreply 138April 19, 2024 8:28 PM

Joanna Barnes was a klassy bitch

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by Anonymousreply 139April 19, 2024 8:32 PM

When you couldn't get Dina Merrill, you called Joanna Barnes.

by Anonymousreply 140April 19, 2024 8:35 PM

Dina Merrill?


by Anonymousreply 141April 19, 2024 8:37 PM

Kinda like Julia Stiles and Erika Christiansen…and whatzer name…

by Anonymousreply 142April 19, 2024 8:37 PM

Does anyone remember THAT WAS THE WEEK THAT WAS?

Same time as WML, Phyllis Newman was a regular on that show which was kind of a forerunner, but far wittier and sharper, of SNL. It was the lone voice of political and cultural satire in the wasteland of early 60s primetime television and gave me hope that if I could graduate high school, and move to NYC it could save my life.

Phyllis would do her Barbra Streisand imitations on the show. And Buck Henry! I loved Nancy Ames, the pretty blonde singer who would belt out the theme song of the show at the beginning and end of each episode.

by Anonymousreply 143April 19, 2024 8:44 PM

Jayne 3

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by Anonymousreply 144April 19, 2024 8:57 PM

Martin leering at Jayne is creepy.

by Anonymousreply 145April 19, 2024 9:03 PM

Yes we know R144 jayzus—scroll the thread at least

by Anonymousreply 146April 19, 2024 9:27 PM

Sophia Loren also leered at Jayne. Loren later explained that she was afraid that one or both of Jayne’s breasts were going to pop out of her ultra low-cut dress.

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by Anonymousreply 147April 19, 2024 9:43 PM

Jayne 4

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by Anonymousreply 148April 19, 2024 9:59 PM

Y’all keep posting the same clips…OVAH and OVAH

by Anonymousreply 149April 19, 2024 10:18 PM

If Martin was leering there, what did he do when he appeared with her in a Broadway play?

by Anonymousreply 150April 19, 2024 10:59 PM

R134, Whoa! Hold your horses!

How many lady horse-divers were there in America? Here's one from 1961, and she was at least the second who appeared in the years I've watched so far (1955-61). The producers must have made a habit of inviting every woman (was it always a woman?) who did the horse-dive thing at the Steel Pier in Atlantic City.

In fact, it's funny how often certain jobs keep repeating and keep fooling the panel. In that '55-'61 period, we've had a couple of female dog-catchers, female garbage collectors, female pig farmers (why this is odd, I don't know), several woman judges, multiple people who are shot out of cannons and at least three men who design or sell girdles. You'd think the panel would catch on and start probing for these occupations ... or at least acknowledge they'd had them on the show before.

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by Anonymousreply 151April 19, 2024 11:29 PM

[quote]The producers must have made a habit of inviting every woman (was it always a woman?) who did the horse-dive thing at the Steel Pier in Atlantic City.

I remember the Steel Pier diving horse from my childhood.

by Anonymousreply 152April 19, 2024 11:34 PM

Side note to R151: The other contestant on this show is Jacques Picard, who had descended to the bottom of the Mariana Trench in the bathyscaphe Trieste the previous year. This achievement turned out to be one of those things, like the space program and Kon-Tiki, that were constantly talked about in elementary-school-oriented literature in the '60s. As soon as he was identified to the audience as a deep-sea explorer, I said "oh, the Trieste guy".

Also, Picard was a very handsome man who's quite charming in this WML appearance.

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by Anonymousreply 153April 19, 2024 11:35 PM

Arlene wears a little Bo-Peep dress,

by Anonymousreply 154April 19, 2024 11:41 PM

Some of the panelists have failed to recognize people who they have recently encountered—customs officers, flight attendants, etc.—but I guess they didn't pay attention to the "help."

by Anonymousreply 155April 19, 2024 11:42 PM

Mitch Miller reminds me of Patrick Stewart.

by Anonymousreply 156April 19, 2024 11:50 PM

Mitch is kinda hot.

by Anonymousreply 157April 20, 2024 12:07 AM

Says who?

by Anonymousreply 158April 20, 2024 12:11 AM

Guy Lombardo

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by Anonymousreply 159April 20, 2024 12:18 AM

Watching all these MG clips I'm shocked by how little time would go by before the same celebs would reappear, often only a couple of seasons would go by. But then, I guess each season probably had almost 40 episodes so that's a lot of celebs who'd have to be constantly rounded up.

by Anonymousreply 160April 20, 2024 12:55 AM

[quote]The other contestant on this show is Jacques Picard, who had descended to the bottom of the Mariana Trench in the bathyscaphe Trieste the previous year.

What about Beebe's Bathysphere?

by Anonymousreply 161April 20, 2024 1:09 AM

He was a tall one. He just had to dunk his head in the sea to reach the bottom.

by Anonymousreply 162April 20, 2024 4:33 AM

[quote]Joanna Barnes was a most likable panelist on the syndicated show.

Except for the episode in which she stepped on the ping-pong ball.

by Anonymousreply 163April 20, 2024 5:15 AM

The baby gorilla nurse gets a lotta laughs. Funniest is when Dorothy is perplexed at why she is being laughed at.

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by Anonymousreply 164April 20, 2024 10:04 PM

Shout out to Silvana!

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by Anonymousreply 165April 20, 2024 10:44 PM

Bennett and Arlene in color.

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by Anonymousreply 166April 21, 2024 5:57 AM

For weeks now, this post has consistently appeared among the top 20 entries on Datalounge, despite not having that many posts or replies. I wonder why this is the case, especially considering that some Datalounge posts have around 500 posts and buried?

by Anonymousreply 167April 21, 2024 6:35 AM

Who was Galen and why did Dorothy hate him so much?

by Anonymousreply 168April 21, 2024 6:43 AM

The horse tail braider in R166 looks like Sigourney.

by Anonymousreply 169April 21, 2024 9:32 AM

r167, I think it's about how many "clicks" a thread gets, not just how many replies. If people are reading the thread, it's what keeps it prominently in the thread watcher.

by Anonymousreply 170April 21, 2024 1:26 PM

It's Sunday......tonight on CBS is Ed Sullivan, then switch to NBC for the Cartwright boys.....then back to CBS Candid Camera and then What's My Line?......and then school tomorrow.....

by Anonymousreply 171April 21, 2024 1:29 PM

Bennett was 72 in that 1970 color clip and still calling Arlene a "girl."

by Anonymousreply 172April 21, 2024 1:34 PM

[quote] Bennett was 72 in that 1970 color clip and still calling Arlene a "girl."

Meaning he was born in the 19th century.

by Anonymousreply 173April 21, 2024 1:35 PM

Calling Arlene a girl in that context was a sign of endearment.

by Anonymousreply 174April 21, 2024 1:48 PM

Did Arlene ever love Bennett enough to call him a boy?

by Anonymousreply 175April 21, 2024 1:53 PM

Does "dear boy" count, R175?

by Anonymousreply 176April 21, 2024 1:59 PM

And he died in 1971.

by Anonymousreply 177April 21, 2024 2:17 PM

Generationally, it was common for men and women to refer to women as "girls" well into middle age and sometimes beyond. Playing bridge or having lunch with "the girls" was a pretty common sentiment.

by Anonymousreply 178April 21, 2024 4:23 PM

Arlene said in at least one interview that she was not a “women’s libber,” despite her being a working woman her entire adult life. Perhaps Arlene felt more comfortable with the old ways. The late 1960s and the 1970s were a time of great social upheaval in the US, and not everyone was on board with it. I believe that the lousy economy in the 1970s plus the counter-reaction to social change led to Reagan becoming president in 1981.

by Anonymousreply 179April 21, 2024 6:01 PM

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nevertheless, I can't imagine Bennett Cerf not taking great umbrage if referred to as a boy, even as some kind of compliment.

by Anonymousreply 180April 21, 2024 6:12 PM

You people write like you trapped in amber.

No shit that men referred to women as girls. No great revelation —nothing particularly interesterstunb there.

by Anonymousreply 181April 21, 2024 6:20 PM

* people, not preppie

by Anonymousreply 182April 21, 2024 6:20 PM

If everyone in the world is divided into boys and girls - we're girls!

by Anonymousreply 183April 21, 2024 6:24 PM

[quote]It's Sunday......tonight on CBS is Ed Sullivan, then switch to NBC for the Cartwright boys.....then back to CBS Candid Camera and then What's My Line?......and then school tomorrow...

Except for the 1963-1964 season, when I kept the TV tuned to CBS at 9 p.m. I was much more interested in watching Judy sing her heart out than finding out what was happening on the boring old Ponderosa.

by Anonymousreply 184April 21, 2024 6:38 PM

[quote]Nevertheless, I can't imagine Bennett Cerf not taking great umbrage if referred to as a boy, even as some kind of compliment.

I think you're very wrong about that.

I was around back then. You weren't.

Everything is about context.

"Boy friend"... "Boys night out".... "Boys will be Boys".... "good ol' boy".... "Mad about the boy" (popular song) ...playboy...The Beach Boys....birthday boy...boy band...boy crazy....attaboy...loverboy....etc.

People didn't over think things. They weren't out to be offended as people are today.

The words "boy" and "girl" were sweet endearing terms.

by Anonymousreply 185April 21, 2024 6:59 PM

Actually, I was around back then, r185. I was born in 1949 and was watching WML in its original first run by 1957 or so.

And all those "boy" references you mention, while certainly of the period would have never applied to anything about Bennett Cerf, not even playboy, lover boy, birthday boy, etc. Just try and use one of those terms in a sentence that would have spoken honestly about Bennett during his WML years.

by Anonymousreply 186April 21, 2024 7:30 PM

Sorry, r186, but you're being silly.

by Anonymousreply 187April 21, 2024 7:32 PM

I gave you a challenge, r187. Can you not rise to it?

by Anonymousreply 188April 21, 2024 7:34 PM

You have given me no challenge, r188.

by Anonymousreply 189April 21, 2024 7:37 PM

Is the pajama seller wearing a rug?

by Anonymousreply 190April 21, 2024 7:54 PM

[quote]And all those "boy" references you mention, while certainly of the period would have never applied to anything about Bennett Cerf, not even playboy, lover boy, birthday boy, etc. Just try and use one of those terms in a sentence that would have spoken honestly about Bennett during his WML years.

I mention the use of the word boy to illustrate that is was an innocuous term.

"Bennett's a good ol' boy!"

" Oh, you know how Bennett is....boys will be boys"

"Bennett, John, Steve....you boys are such pros!"

"Bennet Cerf....the wonder boy of What's My Line?!"

"That-a-boy Bennett, you guessed correctly!"

"Bennett, Martin...I'll leave you boys to figure it out".

"Good job! That's our boy Bennett!"

by Anonymousreply 191April 21, 2024 9:36 PM

Thank you, R166. What a contrast, and I don’t just mean color vs. B&W.

Florence Henderson: “I have to wait and see how successful the TV series is …" Well, Flo, have I got good news for you!

With that first contestant, all I could think was “stand up straight, dear, you’re on television.” She was generally sort of a blank person, although that could be nerves.

What was Bennett Cerf’s cause of death (August, 1971)? I can’t find anything on line except that it was “natural causes”. He’s 72 here, and while he doesn’t look older than his age, he doesn’t look healthy, either. He’s notably thinner than he was on the original, which is not flattering, and his skin is sallow.

by Anonymousreply 192April 21, 2024 11:28 PM

At least Wally Bruner let the contestants get a word in edgewise. Between JCD's answering for them, sometimes without even looking to see if they've started to respond, and then "interviewing" them by telling a story about Toots Shor, some guests leave without having said more then a few words.

One instruction in any WML drinking game should be "take a drink whenever John mentions Toots Shor."

by Anonymousreply 193April 21, 2024 11:34 PM

Don't tell me you bitches are finally done?!

by Anonymousreply 194April 22, 2024 11:25 PM

Toots Shor is a name I associate with the likes of Frank Sinatra and Jackie Gleason -- not someone like John Charles Daly.

by Anonymousreply 195April 23, 2024 12:11 AM

Everyone went to his Times Square restaurant.

by Anonymousreply 196April 23, 2024 12:28 AM

Was Anthony Quinn doing gay voice?

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by Anonymousreply 197April 23, 2024 12:30 AM

I wonder if Rock Hudson ever came close to appearing as a MG, or if WML was simply a show he would never have considered doing? Except for his early appearance on I LOVE LUCY, I don't think Rock ever appeared on TV, not even a talk show, until he started doing McMILLAN & WIFE.

If I'm wrong I'm sure someone here will let me know.

by Anonymousreply 198April 23, 2024 1:22 AM

When would he have occasion to be in NYC, r198?

by Anonymousreply 199April 23, 2024 1:24 AM

Are you serious R199?

by Anonymousreply 200April 23, 2024 1:28 AM

That question could be asked of almost every movie star in America in the 1950s, r199. Most all of them lived in or near LA in that decade yet many found themselves on WML.

I would assume Rock did some sort of publicity junkets bringing him to NYC, especially when he was under long-term contracts with various studios.

by Anonymousreply 201April 23, 2024 1:30 AM

Toots Shor on WML.

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by Anonymousreply 202April 23, 2024 1:47 AM

Wasn't Dorothy more of a Stork Club habitue? I can't imagine her hanging out in a saloon like Toots Shor.

by Anonymousreply 203April 23, 2024 1:56 AM

Was Toots any relation to Dinah?

by Anonymousreply 204April 23, 2024 1:56 AM

^ Or Pauly?

by Anonymousreply 205April 23, 2024 1:58 AM

Rock did some TV appearances early in his career. I think The Perry Como Kraft Music Hall he did in 1956 was shot in New York.

by Anonymousreply 206April 23, 2024 2:19 AM

But he didn't do What's My Line.

by Anonymousreply 207April 23, 2024 2:21 AM

The Stork Club!

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by Anonymousreply 208April 23, 2024 2:44 AM

Interesting that they call the Chili Con Carne woman a salesman and not a saleswoman.

by Anonymousreply 209April 23, 2024 2:49 AM

Dorothy liked places with music, like Basin Street East and hotel night spots like Persian Room.

by Anonymousreply 210April 23, 2024 3:02 AM

Ah, the Persian Room...

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by Anonymousreply 212April 23, 2024 3:06 AM

True, Johnnie/R210. She was always the one to ask about hit records. Arlene was a jazz aficionado. WML's run coincided with the peak of cool jazz, but I don't think they ever had Miles Davis or Dave Brubeck on the show. Brubeck was in California, but he certainly must have visited NY many times.

by Anonymousreply 213April 23, 2024 7:59 AM

I loved the live recordings of the era, like Lena at the Waldorf and Diahann Carroll at the Persian Room. They were aspirational experiences for me in high school.

by Anonymousreply 214April 23, 2024 12:07 PM

Was Arlene really a jazz aficionado? I thought jazz was strictly Dorothy's thing. Arlene was into legitimate theatre music.

by Anonymousreply 215April 23, 2024 1:27 PM

R214 I loved the Giselle MacKenzie At the Walforf LP.....and she was on the cover with her poodle.

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by Anonymousreply 216April 23, 2024 1:28 PM

Can't find it but there's a pretty funny clip of jazz singer Julie London as the MG having quite the tiff with a masked Dorothy.

by Anonymousreply 217April 23, 2024 1:28 PM

[quote]I would assume Rock did some sort of publicity junkets bringing him to NYC, especially when he was under long-term contracts with various studios.

There were no planes back then, people traveled by horse!

by Anonymousreply 218April 23, 2024 2:20 PM

I recall hearing that Gisele's poodle played Louise's Little Lamb in Gisele's turn as Rose in summer stock.

by Anonymousreply 219April 23, 2024 2:36 PM

r213, I think most jazz instrumentalists would have meant nothing to most viewers. Dave Brubeck probably had a national profile, but not Miles Davis for that audience. If you watch WML, you'll see a lot of old timey folks like Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Duke Ellington Vaughn Monroe. The "hippest" musicians I can recall as MGs were Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass.

by Anonymousreply 220April 23, 2024 2:46 PM

My favorite Gisele cover...

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by Anonymousreply 221April 23, 2024 3:49 PM

Liips together, teeth apart ^^^

by Anonymousreply 222April 23, 2024 6:32 PM

I call it her "Ew" cover, r222.

by Anonymousreply 223April 23, 2024 7:37 PM

[quote]My favorite Gisele cover...

Did she go to her hairdresser and say, "Give me the Mamie!"

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by Anonymousreply 225April 23, 2024 7:57 PM

Gisele McKenzie, Dorothy Collins, Teresa Brewer. Kay Starr, Gogi Grant.......I don't think any of those great 50s lady vocalists ever rose to MG on WML.

by Anonymousreply 226April 23, 2024 9:31 PM

Arlene is funny in R202 when she comments on Martin's appreciation of the female bicycle rider's figure.

by Anonymousreply 227April 23, 2024 9:57 PM

Do you ever raise your voice in song?

by Anonymousreply 228April 23, 2024 10:40 PM

R220, you're probably right. Dave Brubeck was famous because "Take Five" was a top hit and because much of his music is smooth and easily accessible to non-jazz fans. He was the poster boy for West Coast jazz (a well-deserved position - I love Brubeck and am not belittling him at all when I say that).

Miles Davis is extremely famous - perhaps the best-know cool/modern jazz artist - today, but perhaps was not that well known to the public in the early '60s. (Still, I'll bet Dottie and Arlene would both at least have heard his name.) I was projecting what I know today back to 1961.

R215, I based my comment on Arlene being a jazz fan on something Martin (I think) said in an introduction. Could be she knew nothing about it. Dorothy, on the other hand, obviously liked popular music, both jazz and non-RnR pop of the era. I can't fault her for that - I do, too. It's my go-to music for personal listening.

by Anonymousreply 229April 24, 2024 12:06 AM

Miles Davis would have been well known to younger people--hipsters and college types. Brubeck crossed over more. He was more popular and respected among other jazz musicians than he was among critics. I like his Take Five -era music but I get that despite the complexity of his music, how lacking in emotional tone so much of it was.

by Anonymousreply 230April 24, 2024 1:27 AM

And beatniks, r230. Don't forget beatniks!

by Anonymousreply 231April 24, 2024 1:56 AM

Miles Davis may not have given a shit about shows like WML.

by Anonymousreply 232April 24, 2024 2:41 AM

The Nervous Set

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by Anonymousreply 233April 24, 2024 2:41 AM

Diahann Carroll.

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by Anonymousreply 234April 24, 2024 9:22 AM

I was expecting a laugh when Bennett asked the baby rattle seller, "Can we eliminate nipples?"

by Anonymousreply 235April 24, 2024 9:43 AM

R219 I think that's right. I was one of the pick up kids when she came through in GYPSY in Indianapolis during the summer of 1960. She was a beautiful and funny as she was on tv. She was very nice to all of us backstage.

After the opening night an audience member complained to the producers that one of the strippers said "Tough titty." The second night the line was cut. Giselle stomped into the producer's office and said if the line was gone, so was she. She said: "I didn't sign on to do the Methodist version of GYPSY."

The line went back in;

by Anonymousreply 236April 24, 2024 2:15 PM

Of course, it was Indy where this happened.

by Anonymousreply 237April 24, 2024 3:32 PM

Tough titty.

by Anonymousreply 238April 24, 2024 3:34 PM

R236 I’m pretty sure that line didn’t make it into the film version, which had to play all over the US.

by Anonymousreply 239April 24, 2024 6:48 PM

Did WML ever win any Emmys? Did they have Emmys for game shows back then?

by Anonymousreply 240April 24, 2024 6:49 PM

[quote] Did WML ever win any Emmys? Did they have Emmys for game shows back then?

I don't believe there was such a category. I know that I hear repeated claims on IGaS that it was America's most popular panel show.

by Anonymousreply 241April 24, 2024 6:54 PM

There were occasional allusions to awards like LOOK Magazine or People's Choice. But no Emmy talk. I think Daly won some for his other gigs as a newsman, but not for WML.

by Anonymousreply 242April 24, 2024 10:08 PM

Seems amazing that Arlene, who would certainly be considered one of the leading ladies of early television, was never awarded an Emmy in her long career.

by Anonymousreply 243April 24, 2024 10:15 PM

According to Google, WML won the Emmy for Best Panel Show (the category name varied over the years) five times in the 1950s. Here's Walter Brennan presenting the award in 1959.

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by Anonymousreply 244April 24, 2024 10:22 PM

^ That's *3 time Oscar winner* Walter Brennan, r244.

by Anonymousreply 245April 24, 2024 10:25 PM

Yay! Thank you, r244 for doing the research I should have done.

by Anonymousreply 246April 24, 2024 10:26 PM

R246 and Walter Brennan thanks the movie extras and the old rules for Academy Awards voting …

by Anonymousreply 247April 24, 2024 10:32 PM

former boxer and beer salesman is cute.

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by Anonymousreply 248April 25, 2024 8:36 AM

Dorothy can carry a six-pack!

by Anonymousreply 249April 25, 2024 8:42 AM

That beer salesman/boxing referee at r248 is one hot little fireplug! Very sexy dude.

Eamonn Andrews was so handsome. Until he smiled and showed his UK teeth.

Elaine May was just.....weird. But hilarious. Little did anyone there know just how far comedian Mike Nichols would go in just a matter of a few years.

by Anonymousreply 250April 27, 2024 2:38 AM

Elaine was unique.

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by Anonymousreply 251April 27, 2024 2:47 AM

[quote]That beer salesman/boxing referee at [R248] is one hot little fireplug! Very sexy dude

Very handsome guy.

And Arlene's line of questioning was brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 252April 27, 2024 3:09 AM

I'm going to Berlin tomorrow to follow up on a couple of leads, I'll only be gone a couple of days.

by Anonymousreply 253April 27, 2024 3:14 AM

I don't know Nichols and May are not as funny as they think they are. He gives her some dirty looks at times but I wonder if that is part of their act.

by Anonymousreply 254April 27, 2024 3:46 AM

[quote]Nichols and May are not as funny as they think they are


by Anonymousreply 255April 27, 2024 3:48 AM

Arelene's hair in that episode reminds me of Baby Jane Hudson's wig.

by Anonymousreply 256April 27, 2024 3:50 AM

Nichols and May's funeral bit is still funny and it's the non-verbals that put over the best lines.

by Anonymousreply 257April 27, 2024 12:12 PM

Dottie Lamour meets Dottie Kilgallen, with Ezio Pinza (starring in "Fanny" at the time) on the panel.

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by Anonymousreply 258April 27, 2024 6:49 PM

What's with the boos from the audience when the maternity dress salesman says he is from Brooklyn?

by Anonymousreply 259April 27, 2024 6:56 PM

Brooklyn maternity dresses were considered low class, r259.

by Anonymousreply 260April 27, 2024 6:57 PM

I hope Ezio didn't eat garlic before the show.

by Anonymousreply 261April 27, 2024 7:03 PM

Dorothy Lamour was so sweet and lovely! I don't believe she's ever had a thread devoted to her in spite of being one of the biggest sex symbols of WWII.

by Anonymousreply 262April 27, 2024 7:23 PM

[quote]being one of the biggest sex symbols of WWII.

Because of me, r262.

by Anonymousreply 263April 27, 2024 7:38 PM

[quote] Dorothy Lamour was so sweet and lovely! I don't believe she's ever had a thread devoted to her in spite of being one of the biggest sex symbols of WWII.

Was she? Are you sure you're not confusing her with Betty Grable?

by Anonymousreply 264April 27, 2024 7:45 PM

As much for comedy as her allure. Lamour was in the Hope-Crosby “Road” pictures.

by Anonymousreply 265April 27, 2024 7:53 PM

In the final "Road" movie, "The Road to Hong Kong" (1962), Dorothy Lamour was reduced to a cameo, and Joan Collins played the traditional Dorothy Lamour role. Crosby thought that Lamour was too old to be the leading lady at 48, but Hope refused to do the movie without her. The cameo was a compromise.

by Anonymousreply 266April 27, 2024 8:11 PM

That sarong put her on the map.

by Anonymousreply 267April 27, 2024 8:18 PM

I'm glad they changed the intro from the panel already seated to the members entering and bowing.

by Anonymousreply 268April 27, 2024 11:19 PM

Nancy Kwan.

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by Anonymousreply 269April 27, 2024 11:25 PM

Nancy Kwan one of the dwindling number of mystery guests still with us.

by Anonymousreply 270April 28, 2024 12:22 AM

Genevieve. Had to look her up.

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by Anonymousreply 271April 28, 2024 9:00 AM

What do we think of the twink rollerskate tester?

by Anonymousreply 272April 28, 2024 9:25 AM

Genevieve was one of those very minor talents who were talk show favorites because they were cute and chatty and imperfect English speakers, but had no other discernible skills.

by Anonymousreply 273April 28, 2024 12:30 PM

Genevieve was definitely a part of the Famous for Being Famous phenomena, so popular in 1950s culture. Very hard to explain today but a mainstay of early television.

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by Anonymousreply 275April 28, 2024 1:06 PM

Annabella’s cousin?!

by Anonymousreply 276April 28, 2024 1:07 PM

R274: It's a different kind of "being famous for nothing much now". All those reality people instead of the Gabors or Charo---the whole culture you attribute to the 50s was still with us for decades afterward.

by Anonymousreply 277April 28, 2024 2:05 PM

Hermione Gingold was one of the chatterati, but at least she had a solid background as an actress and entertainer. And she knew how to carry on an intelligent conversation.

by Anonymousreply 278April 28, 2024 2:43 PM

Hermione Gingold took home an Oscar!

Not hers, mind you, but she did get to accept.

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by Anonymousreply 279April 28, 2024 2:59 PM

Genevieve was a singer...

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by Anonymousreply 280April 28, 2024 4:24 PM

What all those Famous for Being Famous celebs could do was brilliantly converse on a talk show or panel, a lost art today. And not just about their latest project.

by Anonymousreply 281April 28, 2024 4:58 PM

Who else remembers Reiko (Douglas), a frequent guest on Jack Paar's and Merv Griffin's shows?

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by Anonymousreply 282April 28, 2024 6:02 PM

^ The poor man's version...

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by Anonymousreply 283April 28, 2024 6:12 PM

[quote]Who else remembers Reiko (Douglas), a frequent guest on Jack Paar's and Merv Griffin's shows?

I do.

Incredibly Reiko got a full obituary in the NYTimes

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by Anonymousreply 284April 28, 2024 6:40 PM

^ By the way, in my opinion, the original Merv Griffin show broadcast from Times Square in the 1960s was the best TV talk show of all time.

by Anonymousreply 285April 28, 2024 6:43 PM

[quote]Genevieve was definitely a part of the Famous for Being Famous phenomenon, so popular in 1950s culture. Very hard to explain today.

Hard to explain today? Seriously?

by Anonymousreply 286April 28, 2024 6:48 PM

She was a singer, yes, but not a very good one.

by Anonymousreply 287April 28, 2024 6:51 PM

R280 - she loves Paris because she doesn't have to comb her hair there.

by Anonymousreply 288April 28, 2024 7:07 PM

My mother had a better Audrey copy-cat cut than Genie.

by Anonymousreply 289April 28, 2024 7:10 PM

I love Nichols and May, but they were not funny in their WML appearance. I think possibly they were performers who really needed to work out their material and rehearse a lot, refine things in order to be funny. Regardless, their album is fucking hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 290April 28, 2024 7:12 PM

^ nope

by Anonymousreply 291April 28, 2024 7:13 PM

[quote]Regardless, their album is fucking hilarious

Which one?

by Anonymousreply 292April 28, 2024 7:13 PM

Reiko? That bitch was neither delicate nor flower-like.

by Anonymousreply 293April 28, 2024 7:30 PM

Arlene and Dorothy looked rough in this 1950 episode.

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by Anonymousreply 294April 28, 2024 8:17 PM

Why do you think everyone in entertainment was so afraid of TV in 1950? ;)

by Anonymousreply 295April 28, 2024 8:32 PM

Daly wears a long tie as opposed to the bow ties he later wears.

by Anonymousreply 296April 28, 2024 8:39 PM

r294 = The Rosetta Stone of WML

by Anonymousreply 297April 28, 2024 9:10 PM

JCD and Bennett's bow ties were supposed to fool the audience into thinking they were in formal tuxes, suitable for the faux formality the game strived. But tuxes didn't photograph well (all detail was lost in a black void) under primitive TV lights and cameras and so both men often wore charcoal grey and navy suits instead.

by Anonymousreply 298April 28, 2024 9:14 PM

Correction: The Code of Hammurabi

by Anonymousreply 299April 28, 2024 9:14 PM

R298, but they weren't trying very hard. They could have worn midnight blue dinner jackets with satin labels and white dinner jackets in the summer. It was a halfway effort that, in my opinion didn't work. They looked like waiters. Business suits would have been a better choice, or else gone the full black-tie route.

In fact, I recently saw an episode with John in proper black tie because he was attending an event that same evening. I don't remember the specific episode, but it was probably from 1961. It looked fine; no lighting issues. Also, all the men at the Academy Awards, the Tony Awards and Emmys, etc., were in black tie, and they looked OK ... well, they looked OK by the 1960s. Maybe not with 1950 technology.

by Anonymousreply 300April 28, 2024 9:40 PM

R277, not to mention all those “influencers.” If Genevieve were around today, she’d have Instagram and TikTok accounts where she pretended to give advice while really just being cute and ditzy. “Famous for being famous” is still very much with us. If it seems less so, that’s only because there are so many such people that no one stands out the way someone like Zsa Zsa did.

by Anonymousreply 301April 28, 2024 9:42 PM

John Daly also wore a long tie for the first episode after Dorothy's death.

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by Anonymousreply 303April 28, 2024 9:59 PM

Any WML experts who could confirm what I think - that there are only really a handful, or maybe as many as a dozen episodes of WML from 1950-52 that survive? But then most every episode from 1953 onwards?

by Anonymousreply 304April 29, 2024 12:28 AM

r301, you make a very perceptive point. We are now so deluged with "celebrities" who have no reason to be famous, we don't think the phenomena is particularly odd.

by Anonymousreply 305April 29, 2024 12:30 AM

Jonathan & Jack

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by Anonymousreply 306April 29, 2024 1:12 AM

Elsa Maxwell.

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by Anonymousreply 307April 29, 2024 1:15 AM

The R294 show must have been one of the early ones as the second contestant's line is housewife.

by Anonymousreply 308April 29, 2024 1:17 AM

It was just the 3rd episode in the history of the show, r308. The first time Dorothy and Arlene had appeared together and before Bennett arrived on the panel. And a chore to watch! Louis Untermyer - yecccch. Maybe a good thing the Black List got him (just kidding!). Amazing that the network kept it on the air.

But MG Artie Shaw was even hotter than the beer salesman/boxing referee upthread.

by Anonymousreply 309April 29, 2024 1:56 AM

The panel is so unruly in that show.

by Anonymousreply 310April 29, 2024 2:07 AM

Artie Shaw had an amazing cock.

—Ava and every other hot chick near Sunset & La Cienegs

by Anonymousreply 311April 29, 2024 2:14 AM

La Cienega

by Anonymousreply 312April 29, 2024 2:16 AM

Everything about the early 1950 episode was unruly, r310. It's astounding that they kept up that nonsense of having the guests parade up and down in front of the panel and the stupid bit of each panelist getting a wild guess before questioning began for so many years.

And interesting that they introduced Artie Shaw as Mr. X, giving away his sex. But then Artie didn't bother to disguise his voice at all so......what the hell....?

by Anonymousreply 313April 29, 2024 2:53 AM

John Daly was very good about not disclosing anything about the MG. Wally Bruner casually disclosed MG’s gender.

by Anonymousreply 314April 29, 2024 2:58 AM

Is that Arlene doing the opening bit on the phone in R307?

by Anonymousreply 315April 29, 2024 4:11 AM

And is the lawyer wearing fuck-me pumps?

by Anonymousreply 316April 29, 2024 4:23 AM

R308, Artie Shaw was gorgeous. He was married eight times, including to Lana Turner and Ava Gardner. None of the marriages lasted long except the last one, to Evelyn Keyes. He was not an easy man to live with.

That episode is indeed a chore to watch, partly because the audio and image quality are so awful but mostly because the incessant, inaudible chatter from the panel. As for Arlene and Dorothy, they look much better in the 1962 episodes I'm watching now, even though they're 12 years older. Part of it is the better video quality, but a lot is the result of the softer, fuller hairstyles of the early '60s and, apparently, a decent makeup person. Did they even have professional makeup staff for that '50 show?

The biggest shock to me is how uncertain and tentative Arlene is. What a contrast to the cool, funny, confident Arlene from a few years later! Dorothy is the same as ever, though, and I notice John is already answering for the contestants even when they're perfectly capable of answering for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 317April 29, 2024 4:47 AM

^^^Sorry, that's for R309

by Anonymousreply 318April 29, 2024 4:48 AM

Elsa Maxwell looks like Marie Dressler.

by Anonymousreply 319April 29, 2024 6:14 AM

Arlene's first show

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by Anonymousreply 320April 29, 2024 6:29 AM

R319: That's because she did in really life look like Dressler.

by Anonymousreply 321April 29, 2024 10:51 AM

How did they get rid of the awful Hal Bloch? Was it a scandal when he was fired?

by Anonymousreply 322April 30, 2024 1:21 AM

In the many intervening years, Hal Block’s name was mentioned only once after he was summarily fired.

by Anonymousreply 323April 30, 2024 1:40 AM

He would have been canned the second he grabbed Miss America and kissed her.

by Anonymousreply 324April 30, 2024 2:55 AM

R322 his Wiki page covers the show at length.

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by Anonymousreply 325April 30, 2024 4:45 AM

Geez glad they dropped those requests from the panel in the first shows. How humiliating.

by Anonymousreply 326April 30, 2024 5:06 AM

[quote]Late in 1953, Block was hired as host of a television morning show directed towards women on WGN-TV in Chicago. He left the show after only two months due to an incident involving a group of paraplegics who had been invited to appear on the program. After traveling 20 miles, at great inconvenience, they were not used on the show. Block also "had difficulty with a doctor who accompanied them."

[quote]In early 1957, a sneak preview in Florida of Second Honeymoon, a new television show Block was producing, had to be cancelled because there were no prizes. Block explained to a local newspaper that he had bought prizes in a pawnshop across from the station, WTVJ, but the shop was closed before he could retrieve them for the show.

[quote] In February 1957, Block was found guilty of drunk driving in Miami Beach, Florida, and for not having a valid driver's license. At the trial the arresting officer said Block, who had been staggering, refused to take a Drunkometer test (the original breathalyzer), was belligerent and told the officer he would regret arresting him because he was "a big man".

What a charming and urbane gentleman.

by Anonymousreply 327April 30, 2024 8:28 AM

First show.

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by Anonymousreply 328April 30, 2024 11:19 AM

R327: So he just evolved into a prototypical "Florida Man".

by Anonymousreply 329April 30, 2024 11:39 AM

Phil Rizzuto is a cutie.

by Anonymousreply 330April 30, 2024 11:49 AM

Hard to imagine a time in American cultural history when Hal Blockhead was considered worth hiring for anything. He wasn't remotely funny. A real pig.

by Anonymousreply 331April 30, 2024 1:42 PM

[quote]What a charming and urbane gentleman.

Today he'd be a Republican Congressman.

by Anonymousreply 332April 30, 2024 5:10 PM

Why didn't the other members of the What's My Line panel like Dorothy Kilgallen?

by Anonymousreply 333April 30, 2024 5:11 PM

Mr. Block was a "confirmed bachelor," but none of us wants to claim him as "family."

And he died in a fire (or as the result of a fire.) But unfortunately not a grease fire.

by Anonymousreply 334April 30, 2024 5:12 PM

Well, at least he had that lucrative tax preparation business to fall back on.

by Anonymousreply 335April 30, 2024 5:13 PM

Kathleen Winsor

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by Anonymousreply 336April 30, 2024 7:48 PM

[quote]First show.

Dorothy aside, what an aggressively boring lineup of panelists. They make Sam Levenson seem entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 337April 30, 2024 8:37 PM

Best selling author Kathleen Winsor was yet another wife of Artie Shaw, his sixth, This was in spite of the fact that a few years earlier he had castigated his then-wife Ava Gardner for reading trash like Forever Amber.

by Anonymousreply 338April 30, 2024 9:56 PM

My god, those 1950 episodes are difficult to watch! Louis Untermyer was constantly calling for a conference and Hal Block was constantly ogling all the women. It amazes me how long to took for the series to get into its groove.

by Anonymousreply 339April 30, 2024 9:58 PM

Untermeyer reminds me of Ed Wynn.

by Anonymousreply 340April 30, 2024 10:13 PM

The Gloria Swanson episode has been posted before but I thought I would post again to look at it as one of the few 1950 shows still in existence.

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by Anonymousreply 341April 30, 2024 10:29 PM

[quote]My god, those 1950 episodes are difficult to watch! Louis Untermyer was constantly calling for a conference and Hal Block was constantly ogling all the women. It amazes me how long to took for the series to get into its groove.

It seems that the show began to settle into it's suave identity in1957 with the new clever animated opening with swanky music.

by Anonymousreply 342April 30, 2024 10:37 PM

Oh, I think it was earlier than 1957. Or was that when Fred Allen died? I think by the time Steve Allen was a panelist the show had found itself.

by Anonymousreply 343May 1, 2024 12:48 AM

Fred Allen dropped dead on a Saturday in March 1956. At his widow's insistence, the show the next night went on as scheduled.

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by Anonymousreply 344May 1, 2024 12:55 AM

Did Steve Allen directly replace Hal Block? I thought the game picked up considerably with Steverino on the panel.

by Anonymousreply 345May 1, 2024 12:59 AM

[quote]Oh, I think it was earlier than 1957. Or was that when Fred Allen died? I think by the time Steve Allen was a panelist the show had found itself.

But it needed that new intro. The previous one was banal, corny.

The new intro was unique, ahead of its time for TV, as was the cool new music. It was a chic finishing touch. It establish an identity that carried on until the show's cancellation in 1967. Even the announcer Hal Simms changed his tone.

by Anonymousreply 346May 1, 2024 3:53 AM

Dave Garroway

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by Anonymousreply 347May 2, 2024 6:10 AM

Dorothy reminds me of an aunt I once had. She was a very prim lady, sweet, and also very funny in her own way. But few people thought she was funny.

by Anonymousreply 348May 2, 2024 6:28 AM

Dave had a sad ending.

by Anonymousreply 349May 2, 2024 11:46 AM

1982 . . .

“Dave Garroway, the amiable, low-key television personality who served as the first host of 'Today' on NBC-TV, was found dead of a gunshot wound yesterday at his home in the Philadelphia suburb of Swarthmore. He was 69 years old.

A spokesman for the Delaware County Medical Examiner said Mr. Garroway had been shot once in the head, and that the wound appeared to have been self-inflicted. A shotgun was found at Mr. Garroway's side. His body was discovered at 9:30 A.M. by a housekeeper. Mr. Garroway's wife was the last to see him alive when she left the house at 8:45.“

by Anonymousreply 350May 2, 2024 12:13 PM

Did anyone check J. Fred Muggs for gunshot residue?

by Anonymousreply 351May 2, 2024 1:55 PM

Or Arlene? One more death on her resume?

by Anonymousreply 352May 2, 2024 2:01 PM

R350 Never knew Garroway killed himself. I still vaguely remember him and the chimp on the Today Show.

by Anonymousreply 353May 2, 2024 3:03 PM

Maybe his wife killed him.

by Anonymousreply 354May 2, 2024 3:22 PM

Too bad Dorothy wasn't around - she would have been on the case stat/.

by Anonymousreply 355May 2, 2024 3:25 PM

Do you remember getting the weather report from Estelle, r353?

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by Anonymousreply 356May 2, 2024 3:25 PM

Other early Today Show girls included Betsy Palmer and Maureen O'Sullivan (wonder if she was hired because of her previous experience with chimps?).

by Anonymousreply 357May 2, 2024 5:19 PM

Don't forget Flo...

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by Anonymousreply 358May 2, 2024 5:27 PM

Merle Oberon wearing her white makeup.

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by Anonymousreply 359May 2, 2024 7:48 PM

Is it a coincidence that the first contestant is also born in Bombay?

by Anonymousreply 360May 2, 2024 7:55 PM

Jack Lescouli!e! Now there's a household name from the past who has been totally forgotten!

by Anonymousreply 361May 2, 2024 8:06 PM

The first episode with cow washer Cora Sayler aired on May 23, 1954. Also, there is a younger cow washer on the August 18, 1957 who stumps the panel again!

by Anonymousreply 362May 2, 2024 8:15 PM

cow washer the first time.

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by Anonymousreply 363May 2, 2024 8:20 PM

Ted Williams was quite fuckable—he always had a sexy, dark side to his personality.

by Anonymousreply 364May 3, 2024 1:35 AM

With a nickname of “The Splendid Splinter!”

by Anonymousreply 365May 3, 2024 1:39 AM

Interesting to think that back in the 1950s, refined types like Bennett, Arlene and Dorothy would be very well-aware of the star athletes of pro football, baseball and prizefighting, even if they didn't necessarily watch those sporting events. Celebrity was a very different sort of phenomena back then.

by Anonymousreply 366May 3, 2024 2:51 AM

[quote]Interesting to think that back in the 1950s, refined types like Bennett, Arlene and Dorothy would be very well-aware of the star athletes of pro football, baseball and prizefighting, even if they didn't necessarily watch those sporting events.

Sports figures were BIG celebrities back then: Joe DiMaggio, Yogi Berra, Rocky Marciano, Mickey Mantle, Johnny Unitas, Ben Hogan... everyone knew who they were. And there were the establishments owned by sports figures...places to be seen like Jack Dempsey's, Schacht's.

by Anonymousreply 367May 3, 2024 3:18 AM

The other cow washer. And Zsa Zsa.

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by Anonymousreply 368May 3, 2024 3:57 AM

[quote]The other cow washer. And Zsa Zsa.

Which one's which?

by Anonymousreply 369May 3, 2024 4:00 AM

Jesús —Ted was the most famous player of that time, other than Jackie Robinson. Of course they knew who he was. No surprise at all —there’s some misguided understanding on this thread of what it “used to be like.”

by Anonymousreply 370May 3, 2024 4:00 AM

I thought Bennett was a big sports fan. I seem to remember Martin Gabel was.

by Anonymousreply 371May 3, 2024 4:18 AM

Did Arlene make a homophobic joke about Arthur Murray to Zsa Zsa?

by Anonymousreply 372May 3, 2024 4:25 AM

[quote]The other cow washer. And Zsa Zsa.

Did he wash Zsa Zsa?

by Anonymousreply 373May 3, 2024 5:55 AM

I’m sure she did, R372. It was a very different era.

by Anonymousreply 374May 3, 2024 9:19 AM

R370, who is the most famous baseball player of 2024? I sure don't know.

You might have a better chance of everyone today knowing a leading quarterback in the NFL, but I still don't think they would be as universally famous as Ted Williams was in the '50s. R367 is right. Major sports stars were as big as movie stars in those days. I don't think that's true anymore ... and certainly not for baseball or boxing.

For that matter, with the fragmentation of the media and proliferation of niche markets, even movie stars aren't what they once were in terms of total-saturation fame. In the '50s and '60s, we had a national monoculture that everyone was part of, whether they wanted to be or not. That's gone now.

by Anonymousreply 375May 3, 2024 9:22 AM

Celebrity visibility was a different thing back then. YA Tittle, the star quarterback of the NY “football” Giants was an unrecognized imposter on TTTT, a New York-based show.

by Anonymousreply 376May 3, 2024 9:27 AM

Spring Byington

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by Anonymousreply 377May 3, 2024 10:29 AM

R370 you don’t get out much?

Shohei Ohtani Is not only the most famous baseball player in America, he’s one of the most famous athletes on earth.

by Anonymousreply 378May 3, 2024 11:01 AM

For R375 see above

by Anonymousreply 379May 3, 2024 11:06 AM

r370, you seemed to have missed my point. Or perhaps you were actually just agreeing with me.

by Anonymousreply 380May 3, 2024 11:11 AM

The panel hadn't a clue about Spring Byington, or what was playing on TV in 1957. That Bennett would think a woman might have been the star of one of the many current Westerns??

Spring was very gracious, nevertheless. Ernie Kovacs was an idiot. You could feel JCD's dread every time the questioning came back around to him.

by Anonymousreply 381May 3, 2024 11:21 AM

[quote] Ernie Kovacs was an idiot.

Maybe, but responsible for the best line in the history of the show.

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by Anonymousreply 382May 3, 2024 11:26 AM

Ted Williams was the rare male MG who dressed casually for his appearance. Those boxy early 1950s suits did no one any favors. It's a testament to his hotness he looked so good, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 383May 3, 2024 11:36 AM

The panelists had little time to watch TV, what with opening nights, movie premieres, and the killing of the occasional passerby.

by Anonymousreply 384May 3, 2024 12:20 PM

R383, Ted Williams was a supreme asshole in his prime. Always rude and belligerent to the fans, even children.

Horrible husband, horrible father.

He was used and treated poorly in his final years by his son John Henry Williams, who died unexpectedly not long after Ted died.

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by Anonymousreply 385May 3, 2024 12:33 PM

Ted Lewis.

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by Anonymousreply 386May 3, 2024 1:14 PM

Is *everybody* happy?

by Anonymousreply 387May 3, 2024 3:42 PM

[quote]Spring Byington

A lesbian, you know.

by Anonymousreply 388May 3, 2024 4:38 PM

Tell me!

by Anonymousreply 389May 3, 2024 6:10 PM

If you can believe Boze Hadleigh. Interviewed for his book on Hollywood Lesbians, Byington's lesbian lover, actress Marjorie Main, with whom she had openly lived in Los Angeles, declared that "...it's true that Spring had no use for men", despite Byington's marriage(s) and children. Byington was also linked in an affair with actress/writer Maude Adams.

by Anonymousreply 390May 3, 2024 8:57 PM

[quote]also linked in an affair with actress/writer Maude Adams.

FAKE news!

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by Anonymousreply 391May 3, 2024 9:03 PM

[quote] If you can believe Boze Hadleigh

I'm going to stop you right there.

by Anonymousreply 392May 3, 2024 9:53 PM

Who is believed more, Boze Hadleigh or Darwin Porter?

by Anonymousreply 393May 3, 2024 9:55 PM

Byington appears to have Parkinson’s.

by Anonymousreply 394May 3, 2024 10:13 PM

[quote]Who is believed more, Boze Hadleigh or Darwin Porter?

George Santos

by Anonymousreply 395May 3, 2024 10:14 PM

Spring Byington was born in 1886 so she was 71 in that 1957 WML appearance. I'm really impressed by her natural beauty there. She didn't appear to be wearing much makeup and certainly didn't look like she'd had any plastic surgery. Quite lovely!

I think December Bride went off the air that year. Not sure if Spring continued to work much but I do remember her as Doris Day's mother in 1959's Please Don't Eat the Daisies. Spring died in 1971 at the age of 84.

by Anonymousreply 396May 3, 2024 10:22 PM

December Bride was one of those sitcoms of the era that we watched religiously, not because it was good but because it was on. There was even a spin-off, Pete and Gladys, starring Harry Morgan and Cara Williams, who was touted as the new Lucy.

by Anonymousreply 397May 3, 2024 10:45 PM

Well...she *sang* better than Lucy.

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by Anonymousreply 398May 3, 2024 10:48 PM

Harry Morgan gives the dirt on December Bride.

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by Anonymousreply 399May 3, 2024 11:09 PM

[quote] Ernie Kovacs was an idiot. You could feel JCD's dread every time the questioning came back around to him.

R381 If I recall correctly, the last time Ernie was on the panel it was obvious he didn’t give a shit, and he even put his head down on the desk one of the times it was his turn again to ask questions. I don’t know if he was drunk and/or if that appearance was during the time his ex-wife kidnapped their children, who had been put in Ernie’s custody after the divorce.

by Anonymousreply 400May 4, 2024 2:11 AM

R399, From 1977 . . .

“Prosecutors dropped a wife-beating charge against Harry Morgan after he completed a six-month violence counseling program. The 82-year-old Emmy-winning actor, who gained fame on the "M-A-S-H" and "Dragnet" TV series, was charged last summer with beating his 70-year-old wife, Barbara, leaving her bruised and bloodied.”

by Anonymousreply 401May 4, 2024 3:16 AM

Wow, hard to believe that, r401. He seems so genuinely sweet and utterly benign in that interview at r399. As hard as the interviewer tries to get him to say something bad about any of his costars or colleagues, Henry always takes the high road. I wonder if the wife-beating was caused by some kind of dementia? Sad, in any case.

by Anonymousreply 402May 4, 2024 3:27 AM

[quote]I wonder if the wife-beating was caused by some kind of dementia?

I would assume so, r402. Previous incidents like that would have certainly leaked before he was 82.

by Anonymousreply 403May 4, 2024 4:22 AM

Jack Dempsey

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by Anonymousreply 404May 4, 2024 5:24 AM

The rubber band lady looks like Angie Dickinson.

by Anonymousreply 405May 4, 2024 5:44 AM

Anna Maria Spaghetti looks like Madonna.

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by Anonymousreply 406May 4, 2024 8:57 AM

I've been away for a couple of weeks and am only just catching up here... About two hundred posts back, someone mentioned Mitch Miller (of "sing along with" fame). I did a concert tour with him many moons ago. He was a very talented musician and a pretty fair conductor -but he absolutely reeked of cigar smoke. Standing on stage you could smell when he opened his dressing room door -he would be proceeded on by a thick, purple haze of smoke. It wasn't easy too sing through that!

by Anonymousreply 407May 5, 2024 3:31 AM

Miller was hated by a lot of singers he produced. Rosemary Clooney was forced to sing novelty tunes like Come-on-a My House and Mambo Italiano, which she felt were beneath her. She was right, but made potloads of money from them.

by Anonymousreply 408May 5, 2024 4:37 AM

That was my intro to Miss Uggams...

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by Anonymousreply 409May 5, 2024 4:39 AM

This service that you provide. Would Dorothy be more likely to use it?

by Anonymousreply 410May 5, 2024 4:41 AM

Leslie Uggo

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by Anonymousreply 411May 5, 2024 6:45 AM

[quote] Mitch Miller ... absolutely reeked of cigar smoke.

And he lived to the age of 99.

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by Anonymousreply 412May 5, 2024 10:51 AM

Spaghetti 2

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by Anonymousreply 413May 5, 2024 11:20 AM

Ooh I like the French pot and pan maker.

by Anonymousreply 414May 5, 2024 11:33 AM

He had a certain jenna say kwa!

by Anonymousreply 415May 5, 2024 2:58 PM

What is going on with Leslie's makeup in R411?

by Anonymousreply 416May 5, 2024 7:17 PM

Bennett to Mystery Guest: Would you answer possibly to the description Oriental?

by Anonymousreply 417May 6, 2024 4:54 PM

Was Clark Gable ever on?

by Anonymousreply 418May 6, 2024 6:58 PM

Frankly, R418, he was not.

by Anonymousreply 419May 6, 2024 7:07 PM

But, why, r419?????

by Anonymousreply 420May 6, 2024 7:09 PM

He couldn't do a funny voice, r420.

by Anonymousreply 421May 6, 2024 7:21 PM

Eleanor Roosevelt couldn't do a funny voice either, R421. Well, she couldn't do a different funny voice from the one she already had,

by Anonymousreply 422May 6, 2024 7:47 PM

Did Clark Gable ever appear on TV at all? I mean other than in one of his old films.

There were a few superstars like Gable, Cary Grant and the 2 Hepburns who simply never would have deigned to appear on WML. I think Marilyn Monroe night have in the mid-1950s but it just never happened.

by Anonymousreply 423May 6, 2024 9:36 PM

And I'm pissed!

by Anonymousreply 424May 6, 2024 10:37 PM

[quote]Bennett to Mystery Guest: Would you answer possibly to the description Oriental?

He was using the word "Oriental" properly.

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by Anonymousreply 426May 7, 2024 3:08 PM

Mickey Rooney 1

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by Anonymousreply 427May 8, 2024 8:10 PM

Ugh he's so tedious.

by Anonymousreply 428May 8, 2024 8:24 PM

Well, I, for one, thought Mickey was genuinely hilarious there.

by Anonymousreply 429May 9, 2024 12:04 AM

R429 = Judy Garland.

by Anonymousreply 430May 9, 2024 2:28 AM

Nancy Sinatra.

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by Anonymousreply 431May 9, 2024 2:49 AM

Nancy seemed genuinely sweet' and modest. Did she popularize that two-tone bleached hair, was it called "frosted" back then??

I'm surprised they saved the final contestant for the end with so little time as he was the man who developed the famous Arlene Francis rose.

by Anonymousreply 432May 9, 2024 3:24 AM

Suzy Knickerbocker.

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by Anonymousreply 433May 9, 2024 3:31 AM

I used to think the extra contestant got the shaft because they ran out of time. But they invariably got the whole $50 by default.

by Anonymousreply 434May 9, 2024 11:59 AM

I think Nancy looks more like her mother than her father.

by Anonymousreply 435May 9, 2024 12:36 PM

Hard as it may be to believe, Bennett and Frank Sinatra were long-time besties.

by Anonymousreply 436May 9, 2024 1:05 PM

Frank was on the show but not when Dorothy was.

by Anonymousreply 437May 9, 2024 1:06 PM

I believe Frank waited until Dorothy was killed....er.....dead.

by Anonymousreply 438May 9, 2024 2:11 PM

What do you WML fans think of Suzy as a guest panelist? Do you think she fulfilled Dorothy's shoes as a bitchy gossip columnist? Or was Phyllis Newman a better guest panelist, bringing a whole other vibe?

It's believed that Arlene didn't care much for Phyllis but I wonder if she liked Suzy.

by Anonymousreply 439May 9, 2024 2:13 PM

R438, So did Lauren Bacall. She did appear as the MG in the early 1950s, but then Dorothy printed information in her column about Bogart’s cancer a few years later, infuriating Bogart and Bacall.

Bacall went on as the MG to promote Cactus Flower in 1965 when Dorothy was still warm.

by Anonymousreply 440May 9, 2024 2:57 PM

R436, Frank was one of Bennett’s pallbearers in 1971.

by Anonymousreply 441May 9, 2024 2:58 PM

[quote]Nancy seemed genuinely sweet' and modest.

She's still that way.

by Anonymousreply 442May 9, 2024 4:13 PM

Suzy K was actively annoying and overdressed. If Arlene disliked Phyliss, it might have been because Phyllis was even bubblier than Arlene and got a lot of laughs. Arlene wanted to be the funny one.

by Anonymousreply 443May 9, 2024 7:45 PM

R443, Phyllis won a Tony Award, Arlene was never even nominated.

by Anonymousreply 444May 9, 2024 8:04 PM

I loathed both Phyllis and Suzy. In fact, I always skip episodes with Suzy.

Arlene may not have had a Tony, but she was both beloved and remembered -can't say the same for Phyllis.

by Anonymousreply 445May 9, 2024 8:50 PM

R436, they do seem like an odd couple. Perhaps he and Frank brought out different sides in each other than the public saw.

R440, it was Dorothy's job to publish gossip and news about celebrities. Anyone who does that job is not going to be especially popular with the people she writes about, except for the few she makes her special pets. See Parsons, L. and Hopper, H., neither of whom was exactly beloved in Hollywood.

R443, there would have been no room for both Arlene and Phyllis on the same panel, that's for sure. I wonder how Arlene felt about Kitty Carlisle. She was much more like Arlene in style. Perhaps Arlene didn't perceive Kitty as a threat because she was already committed to TTTT.

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r446, if "there would have been no room for both Arlene and Phyllis" why do you suppose Mark Goodson kept having Phyllis back on the panel?

I think if it's true that Arlene didn't care for Phyllis it might have been that she saw her as a bit of silly giggling girl. Which Phyllis could be.

I've always heard that Arlene and Kitty were long-time bosom buddies. They seemed like they would have easily co-navigated through the social and cultural world of NYC in the 50s and the decades beyond.

by Anonymousreply 448May 9, 2024 9:30 PM

R447 and R448, thank you - yes, Kitty and Arlene seem like they'd be good friends. That doesn't necessarily imply that they'd welcome each other on the same show as regular panelists because they really are similar types.

[quote]if "there would have been no room for both Arlene and Phyllis" why do you suppose Mark Goodson kept having Phyllis back on the panel?

Because she was young, pretty and, despite the giddy persona, a good player ...? And well-known and available, being in New York and not Los Angeles. I don't know how Arlene felt about Phyllis, but I don't think they make a good pair as the female panelists. Arlene shines best when the other woman is less glamorous and more intense.

by Anonymousreply 449May 9, 2024 9:54 PM

In 1961, right after the Kennedy inauguration, and again in the spring of 1963, Dorothy was off the panel for a few weeks with no prior announcement of a vacation or other commitment. The first time, JCD said she had a "mishap" (I think that was his word) at the inauguration. The second time, no reason was given.

Was she drying out somewhere? I know Dorothy was a notorious lush, but sometimes it seems that she's overtly drunk on the air to the point of slurring her words. Even in the early '60s, that would have been a bit much for TV, especially for a woman. Was she told to sober up, at least for the show?

by Anonymousreply 450May 9, 2024 10:01 PM

Arlene Francis and Kitty Carlisle were close friends since their youth.

by Anonymousreply 451May 9, 2024 10:37 PM

Would one of those absences, R450, coincide with the birth of one of her children?

by Anonymousreply 452May 9, 2024 10:40 PM

Odd, R451, since Arlene was a Boston girl & Kitty was from New Orleans.

by Anonymousreply 453May 9, 2024 10:41 PM

No, R452. Her youngest child was born in 1954. These absences took place in the early '60s.

by Anonymousreply 454May 9, 2024 10:41 PM

R446, What infuriated the Bogarts was Dorothy writing in her column that Bogart was near death in a hospital and named a hospital that did not even exist.

The truth was Bogart was receiving treatment for cancer, but was at home and he would remain alive for another year.

by Anonymousreply 455May 9, 2024 10:42 PM

Gisele MacKenzie.

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by Anonymousreply 456May 10, 2024 12:31 AM

Fun episode! Lots to unpack in there ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

by Anonymousreply 457May 10, 2024 1:56 AM

Laurence's London accent is so plummy.

by Anonymousreply 458May 10, 2024 2:19 AM

Was a funny moment when Bennett said he was glad to see the newscaster as his wife was out of town.

by Anonymousreply 459May 10, 2024 2:28 AM

[quote]Fun episode! Lots to unpack in there

Hilarious episode. Very layered.

by Anonymousreply 460May 10, 2024 3:04 AM

I used to hate Phyllis because she beat Barbra for the Tony. Years later, I interviewed Phyllis and she was a doll.

by Anonymousreply 461May 10, 2024 3:07 AM

Sometimes, Phyllis Newman had to do.

by Anonymousreply 462May 10, 2024 5:24 AM

Indeed, r462...

by Anonymousreply 463May 10, 2024 5:30 AM

Johnny Carson used to have Phyllis Newman on regularly when the Tonight Show was in NYC.

Once the show moved to California, he would have Suzanne Pleshette on regularly.

by Anonymousreply 464May 10, 2024 7:39 AM

Bennett Cerf’s first wife, Sylvia Sidney.

This is a very good interview, her candor is refreshing.

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by Anonymousreply 465May 10, 2024 8:23 AM

Sylvia could do some damage if she punched you wearing that green ring.

by Anonymousreply 466May 10, 2024 10:46 AM

The WML? producers would never book Sylvia as a Mystery Guest.

by Anonymousreply 467May 10, 2024 11:05 AM

Her marriage to Bennett didn't even make it to one year. She says she was foolish to marry him and then foolish to divorce him.

by Anonymousreply 468May 10, 2024 11:14 AM

R468, She also acknowledged that since all three of her husbands remarried and had long term marriages, she must not have been a good wife.

by Anonymousreply 469May 10, 2024 12:19 PM

Laurence Harvey was certain proof that actors can be truly stupid. Or maybe he was just so self-absorbed he wasn't able to pay attention to the game.

by Anonymousreply 470May 10, 2024 1:24 PM

John Wayne.

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by Anonymousreply 471May 10, 2024 1:27 PM

Oh the John episode jumps so we cant see him questioned much before he is guessed.

by Anonymousreply 472May 10, 2024 1:29 PM

The Delaware Governor who manufacturers fertilizer is such a jovial man.

by Anonymousreply 473May 10, 2024 1:43 PM

LOVED that interview with Sylvia Sidney! What a forthright, smart lady. Thank you for posting, r465.

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by Anonymousreply 475May 10, 2024 3:33 PM

Mystery Guest the gorgeous Virna Lisi

But do watch the second guest, a fellow who raises worms.

Go to 13:30 of the video (after his profession has been guessed) and follow the conversation.

It gets a little taboo for the era. Watch as John Daley gets so embarrassed. It's quite funny.

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by Anonymousreply 476May 11, 2024 2:36 AM

In the R471 there is a laugh when Joey Bishop talks about being pooped to the fertilizer man.

by Anonymousreply 477May 11, 2024 3:16 AM

Virna looks like Jodie Foster with Eva Peron hair.

by Anonymousreply 478May 11, 2024 3:34 AM

I believe it was in the first of these WML threads that we were discussing what a mid-Atlantic accent was. Well, if you want to see a perfect example of it, just check out the wonderful interview with Sylvia Sidney at r465. Best moment is when she says "a-tall" (accent on TALL) for at all.

by Anonymousreply 479May 11, 2024 1:16 PM

WHET Verna Lisi?

by Anonymousreply 480May 11, 2024 1:38 PM

By 1966, JCD, Bennett and Larry Blyden were all wearing sharp black tuxedoes.

by Anonymousreply 481May 11, 2024 1:39 PM

Meredith MacRae was a panelist on the syndicated show. Are there any other examples of a parent/child also appearing as panelists?

by Anonymousreply 482May 11, 2024 1:58 PM

Jane Fonda was once a panelist but I don't think Henry ever appeared as anything other than a mystery guest.

by Anonymousreply 483May 11, 2024 2:08 PM

[quote]WHET Verna Lisi?

She had a long career in Italy. Lots of TV films. She kept her looks until her death at 78. Her last interview:

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by Anonymousreply 484May 11, 2024 2:45 PM

They spelled Gisele's name wrong on her card!

by Anonymousreply 485May 11, 2024 4:13 PM

R482 - They had Dorothy's father as the MG once.

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by Anonymousreply 486May 11, 2024 4:33 PM

Was he also chinless?

by Anonymousreply 487May 11, 2024 11:17 PM

I remember them misspelling Ann Sothern and Jeanne Crain's names, too.

by Anonymousreply 488May 12, 2024 2:33 AM

Kitty and Arlene are responsible for Dorothy's death. I can't go into details but it was a prank gone wrong.

by Anonymousreply 489May 12, 2024 2:37 AM

Henry and Peter Fonda were co-MGs. That must have caused some friction offstage.

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by Anonymousreply 490May 12, 2024 3:20 AM

That's some wig the Australian wine steward is wearing.

by Anonymousreply 491May 12, 2024 4:24 AM

[quote]Kitty and Arlene are responsible for Dorothy's death. I can't go into details but it was a prank gone wrong.

Did it involve a round exercise weight?

by Anonymousreply 492May 12, 2024 6:06 AM

the cameraman must have hated carol channings' dress.

by Anonymousreply 493May 12, 2024 9:08 AM


by Anonymousreply 494May 12, 2024 9:10 AM

Sophie Tucker

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by Anonymousreply 495May 12, 2024 8:01 PM

the mink trapper reminds me of Ava Gardner and Anne Bancroft.

by Anonymousreply 496May 12, 2024 8:17 PM

Mystery Guest: Abbe Lane (still with us)

But what's interesting here is panelist Aliza Kashi...another one of those bubbly ladies with a foreign accent that game shows and talk shows loved back then. She was all over TV for a year or so...and then disappeared.

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by Anonymousreply 497May 12, 2024 9:43 PM

I think I remember Aliza Kashi mangling the English language as a frequent guest on Merv Griffin's show.

Abbe Lane was apparently a great friend of Barbra Streisand. IIRC Abbe had a baby in her post-Xavier Cugat very happy marriage around the same time as Barbra had Jason and they'd walk them in carriages together in Central Park before Barbra went Hollywood. Two Brooklyn ladies who got out and made good.

by Anonymousreply 498May 12, 2024 11:17 PM

Yes, there was the language barrier, but Alisha Kashi was a terrible panelist.

My Jewish parents should've known something was off with me when, in the '60s, I, maybe then 8 years old, created the character of Rachel Rishon, an Israeli an Israeli singer, & had them interview me as her. I must've patterned her off of Alisha Kashi.

by Anonymousreply 499May 12, 2024 11:59 PM

^ I still have your album of Hebrew and Yiddish favorites.

by Anonymousreply 500May 13, 2024 12:22 AM

I saw you in the Catskills, r499, when you opened for Mickey Katz.

by Anonymousreply 501May 13, 2024 12:38 AM

Aliza Kathi’s tagline was “Hello people!”.

by Anonymousreply 502May 13, 2024 12:45 AM

Hello dere.

by Anonymousreply 503May 13, 2024 12:52 AM

Rachel Rishon was no Molly Picon.

by Anonymousreply 504May 13, 2024 12:55 AM

Who was, r504?

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by Anonymousreply 505May 13, 2024 12:58 AM

I'm wondering if Molly Picon ever appeared on WML. I know Gertrude Berg did and I think they even billed her as Molly Goldberg.

by Anonymousreply 506May 13, 2024 2:36 AM

No she did not.

by Anonymousreply 507May 13, 2024 3:10 AM

Maria Fletcher

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by Anonymousreply 509May 13, 2024 3:14 AM

r497 Bebe Gallini!

by Anonymousreply 510May 13, 2024 3:27 AM

Miss America 1962.

by Anonymousreply 511May 13, 2024 3:28 AM

Oh, of course.

by Anonymousreply 512May 13, 2024 3:41 AM

The label is given as Miss America 1962 but Daly she is Miss America 1961.

by Anonymousreply 513May 13, 2024 3:43 AM

Miss America 1962 was crowned in Sept. 1961, and so on. He was mistaken.

by Anonymousreply 514May 13, 2024 5:54 AM

[quote] I think I remember Aliza Kashi mangling the English language as a frequent guest on Merv Griffin's show.

R498 Yes, Aliza seemed to be a favorite of Merv’s. I had completely forgotten about her until I saw her when I binge watched the WML episodes on YouTube. One thing I found funny about her was that she was almost belligerent about having trouble speaking and understanding English. Perhaps it was part of her shtick to get laughs.

by Anonymousreply 515May 13, 2024 6:04 AM

Maria is still alive.

by Anonymousreply 516May 13, 2024 8:15 AM

Yea, so are lots of other Miss Americas. (?)

by Anonymousreply 517May 13, 2024 9:02 AM

Not me.

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by Anonymousreply 518May 13, 2024 10:00 AM

Someone should have given Aliza a sandwich - she looks painfully thin.

by Anonymousreply 519May 13, 2024 10:16 AM

Abbe Lane.

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by Anonymousreply 520May 13, 2024 10:42 AM

Wasn't John Charles Daly once involved with the Miss America pageant as a host or a judge? Or did Arlene or Bennett perform those duties? Of course, in those days the pageant was very mainstream entertainment and one of the most anticipated television specials of the year. Was it on CBS?

I guess I should just watch Maria Fletcher's clip. My questions are probably all answered there.

by Anonymousreply 521May 13, 2024 1:47 PM

Bennet twice was a juror at the Miss America pageant.

by Anonymousreply 522May 13, 2024 2:03 PM


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by Anonymousreply 523May 13, 2024 2:09 PM

Daly hosted the first televised pageant —when Catwoman was crowned. See upthread.

by Anonymousreply 524May 13, 2024 2:18 PM

Would have thought hosting Miss America would have been beneath the dignity of the aristocratic Mr. Daly, political commentator, married to the daughter of a Supreme Court justice, and future head of Voice of America. Guess not.

by Anonymousreply 525May 13, 2024 2:31 PM

[quote] Would have thought hosting Miss America would have been beneath the dignity of the aristocratic Mr. Daly, political commentator, married to the daughter of a Supreme Court justice, and future head of Voice of America. Guess not.

How old are you, R525? I'm guessing under the age of 60, because there was a time the Miss America pageant was a HUGE deal.

by Anonymousreply 526May 13, 2024 2:34 PM

Oh I was there, r526, and it was a huge deal. But still tacky and not on a par with a political convention or International Summit. You didn't see Murrow or Cronkite involved in such shenanigans.

by Anonymousreply 527May 13, 2024 2:38 PM

[quote] You didn't see Murrow or Cronkite involved in such shenanigans.

Well, you also didn't see Murrow or Cronkite hosting a game show.

by Anonymousreply 528May 13, 2024 2:41 PM

After Bennett Cerf died in 1971, his wife Phyllis married former NYC mayor Robert Wagner.

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by Anonymousreply 529May 13, 2024 2:43 PM

[quote] But still tacky

Only through a modern lens.

by Anonymousreply 530May 13, 2024 2:51 PM

Sadly, throughout the 1950s the title of Miss America was one of few venues for a young woman to become nationally famous and celebrated if she wasn't in the arts or professional athletics.

But I guess you had to be there to get it.

by Anonymousreply 531May 13, 2024 3:05 PM

Years ago, the Miss America Pageant was one of the highest rated television programs of the year.

by Anonymousreply 532May 13, 2024 3:57 PM

[quote]Well, you also didn't see Murrow or Cronkite hosting a game show.

I don't see the problem.

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by Anonymousreply 533May 13, 2024 4:12 PM

When Mike Wallace was Virginia Graham’s announcer.

This never gets old.

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by Anonymousreply 534May 13, 2024 4:28 PM

Ben Gazzara on crutches

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by Anonymousreply 535May 14, 2024 1:38 AM

Would like to see how the Senate Page Boy grew up to look like.

by Anonymousreply 536May 14, 2024 1:47 AM

[quote]Oh I was there, [R526], and it was a huge deal. But still tacky and not on a par with a political convention or International Summit. You didn't see Murrow or Cronkite involved in such shenanigans.

During its 1950s and early 1960s heyday The Miss America Pageant was NOT considered tacky.

OF COURSE it wasn't "on a par with a political convention or International Summit.". No one said it was, and it's silly to even suggest it, but it WAS an esteemed organization. The show was prestigious.

Prestigious enough to have Douglas Edwards as the "anchor" at the Miss America Pageant from the late 1950s/early 60s reporting on the proceedings to the TV audience as Bert Parks hosted the show. Edwards was in a booth, while Parks was on stage and the show would switch between the two.

Edwards covered the show for 5 years.

Walter Cronkite proceeded Edwards as the anchor of the CBS Evening News.

About Douglas Edwards:

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by Anonymousreply 537May 14, 2024 2:21 AM

Holy shit, Ben Gazzara was hot, R535. I'm not sure WML ever had a sexier MG or panelist. He usually played smoldering, serious types, and it's fun to see him here being smiley and charming. I wish he'd been on more often.

Here's Ben as a panelist in 1959. Apologies if this has been posted before.

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by Anonymousreply 538May 14, 2024 7:11 AM

... and here's Ben in his (only?) other appearance as a panelist. This is from 1960, with Peggy Lee as the MG.

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by Anonymousreply 539May 14, 2024 7:13 AM

The one other time Ben was a panelist.

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by Anonymousreply 540May 14, 2024 7:42 AM

R538 has a little person jet engine inspector - he crawls inside.

by Anonymousreply 541May 14, 2024 7:54 AM

Eddie Hodges still alive.

by Anonymousreply 542May 14, 2024 8:16 AM

The livestock auctioneer should be up for Miss Frump of 1960.

by Anonymousreply 543May 14, 2024 10:56 AM

Why not, r542? He's only 77.

by Anonymousreply 544May 14, 2024 11:32 AM

Miss America was a big deal and they often did commercial endorsements, etc. Jackie Mayer, Miss Ohio was the 1963 winner and was on WML. She was a student at Northwestern--so no dummy---and used her winnings from her pageants to pay for school. She had a stroke a few years later and spent much of her adult life speaking for strike-related charities. They probably had her on too soon--Bennett guessed her right away.

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by Anonymousreply 545May 14, 2024 11:33 AM

It was a week after the pageant, duh.

by Anonymousreply 546May 14, 2024 11:40 AM

[quote]Walter Cronkite proceeded Edwards as the anchor of the CBS Evening News.

Doubly wrong.

The word is PRECEDED. And Walter Cronkite SUCCEEDED Edwards. (Or Edwards PRECEDED Cronkite.)

by Anonymousreply 547May 14, 2024 1:09 PM

And now I'm the face of CBS NEWS......fuck Norah O'Donnell.

by Anonymousreply 548May 14, 2024 1:24 PM

When I was a little gayling and first watched the Miss America pageant the year Mary Ann Mobley won (was that 1959? Even earlier??) I thought it was the female equivalent of the Presidency.

by Anonymousreply 549May 14, 2024 1:33 PM

She was crowned on the TV in Sept. 1958

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by Anonymousreply 550May 14, 2024 1:56 PM

I am a Northwestern grad, r545, and there were lots of dummies there in the 60s.

by Anonymousreply 551May 14, 2024 2:22 PM

R547 Oops, sorry about that. Did not proofread.

by Anonymousreply 552May 14, 2024 7:29 PM

That show at r540 with Ben Gazzara on the panel has Garry Moore as the MG and as I began to watch it I wondered if maybe he was a last minute replacement for a bigger star. But the audience gave him a HUGE ovation when he signed in and he was a funny and charming guest, if all but forgotten today.

And he hadn't even begun producing his weekly variety hour (which I loved as a kid) - he's basically there to promote it the premiere later that week. . So I guess his fame had at that point in time come from his morning talk show and I've Got a Secret at that point.

by Anonymousreply 553May 14, 2024 10:58 PM

Garry Moore had had a daytime show and had been hosting I've Got a Secret.

by Anonymousreply 554May 14, 2024 11:16 PM

[quote] So I guess his fame had at that point in time come from his morning talk show and I've Got a Secret at that point.

The Garry Moore-hosted IGaS was - unlike WML - a consistently a top 10 show during this era. A top 10 show in a non-cable, non-streaming era where there was mere three networks. So yes, he was a huge star.

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by Anonymousreply 555May 14, 2024 11:21 PM

R555, and his announcer and performer Durward Kirby was a household name, too ... a name that was often mocked (and misspelled as "Durwood").

And there was that talented girl who joined the show in 1959. What was her name? Oh, yes. Carol Burnett.

Anyway, right, Garry Moore was a huge star. Everybody knew who he was because by the late '50s television was ubiquitous. It's funny that people today remember relatively lesser known movie stars but have never heard of someone like Garry Moore, even though the latter was much more culturally important in his time, not to mention famous.

Here's a video of an episode of the GM Show from, I think, 1960. Unfortunately, it's colorized, but it's still fun. This is what our parents and/or grandparents watched in their millions, back when we had a unified national culture that everyone participated in.

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by Anonymousreply 556May 14, 2024 11:41 PM

Dorothy took over when Carol left.

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by Anonymousreply 557May 14, 2024 11:58 PM

I wonder if I've Got a Secret got higher ratings simply because it was on at 8 pm on Monday (or was it Wednesday?) as compared to WML at 10 pm on Sunday? I watched them both as a kid, loved them both, but IGaS doesn't hold up well at all now.

I also loved The Garry Moore Show as it introduced me to lots of Broadway talent. But unlike Ed Sullivan's show, Garry's show featured those stars in new numbers, not the ones they were doing in their Broadway shows. I adored the young Carol Burnett but also loved Dorothy Loudon.

by Anonymousreply 558May 15, 2024 12:03 AM

[quote]I also loved The Garry Moore Show as it introduced me to lots of Broadway talent.

Including Dorothy Loudon

by Anonymousreply 559May 15, 2024 12:49 AM

^ Sorry, I see Dorothy is mentioned in post R557

by Anonymousreply 560May 15, 2024 12:50 AM

Also, in my own post, r560.

But that's ok, we're all just chatting here.

by Anonymousreply 561May 15, 2024 12:58 AM

Moore gave Barbra one of her most important early appearances when she sang "Happy Days Are Here Again" on the show.

by Anonymousreply 562May 15, 2024 1:35 AM

Only DL could fill nearly five threads on this subject

by Anonymousreply 563May 15, 2024 1:37 AM

Yes, and ain't it grand!

by Anonymousreply 564May 15, 2024 1:46 AM

Sophistication never gets old.

by Anonymousreply 565May 15, 2024 1:53 AM

Mustn't forget the Kirwood Derby

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by Anonymousreply 566May 15, 2024 2:20 AM

The tuba tester in R540 is a jolly fellow.

by Anonymousreply 567May 15, 2024 4:08 AM

Toni West.

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by Anonymousreply 568May 15, 2024 4:58 AM

It's hard to visualize this sexpot doing judo.

by Anonymousreply 569May 15, 2024 5:08 AM

Endora didn’t like her Derwood

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by Anonymousreply 570May 15, 2024 5:53 AM

Surely we won't need a Part 6, will we?

by Anonymousreply 571May 15, 2024 5:55 AM

Of course we will, R571! Like the show itself, this thread will go on forever.

by Anonymousreply 572May 15, 2024 6:43 AM

Sophie Tucker 2

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by Anonymousreply 573May 15, 2024 8:45 AM

R570: Don't forget Endora herself, who guested on the later version of WML.

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by Anonymousreply 574May 15, 2024 11:59 AM

Garry Moore lets it all hang out.....

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by Anonymousreply 575May 15, 2024 2:08 PM

I had no idea that Sophie Tucker invented Chia Pets.

by Anonymousreply 576May 15, 2024 3:10 PM

R573, Is Sophie wearing a Halston original?

by Anonymousreply 577May 15, 2024 4:25 PM

Is that Sophie Tucker?? I thought it was a chrysanthemum!

by Anonymousreply 578May 15, 2024 6:07 PM

Arlene was truly brilliant with her ad libs.

In regard to Sophie Tucker: "Which do your remember better, Bennett? The Yes or the No?

When I was a little kid watching Sophie on Ed Sullivan I thought she was just a dear sweet old grandma type. Was I surprised many years later to hear Bette Midler recreate some of her jokes.

by Anonymousreply 579May 15, 2024 6:29 PM

They talk about her hat after Sophie is guessed.

by Anonymousreply 580May 15, 2024 7:48 PM

They talked about that silly hat ad nauseum.

by Anonymousreply 581May 16, 2024 2:03 AM

No one mentioned Rhonda's hat.

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by Anonymousreply 582May 16, 2024 3:02 AM

The millinery business must have been at its zenith in 1955. Lots of women on WML donning their finest that year.

by Anonymousreply 583May 16, 2024 3:11 AM

Gloria Swanson's hat had jeweled tree growing out of it.

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by Anonymousreply 584May 16, 2024 3:11 AM

Those bumps in the veil make Gloria look like she has a disease.

by Anonymousreply 585May 16, 2024 3:15 AM

^ Or warts.

by Anonymousreply 586May 16, 2024 4:38 AM

Carol Morris Miss Universe 1956.

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by Anonymousreply 587May 16, 2024 4:54 AM

she is on IMDb.

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by Anonymousreply 588May 16, 2024 5:01 AM

Martha Raye’s hat @ 15:55 was odd.

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by Anonymousreply 589May 16, 2024 8:38 AM

I have to wonder whether the hat came with that teardrop jewel or if she added it herself.

by Anonymousreply 590May 16, 2024 9:22 AM

[quote]Martha Raye’s hat @ 15:55 was odd.

It looks like she was wearing a lampshade. You know, for laffs.

by Anonymousreply 591May 16, 2024 10:45 AM

Martha's hat looks like the ones worn by Lucy and Ethel in Paris.

by Anonymousreply 592May 16, 2024 12:24 PM

Some sad news from the classic game show world: Roxanne Rosedale, the prize model from the original Beat the Clock, passed away a few weeks ago. She was sort of the original Vanna White, getting lots of press attention and magazine covers. She even had her own Roxanne doll that came with a tiny version of the Sylvania cameras she demonstrated every week.

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by Anonymousreply 594May 16, 2024 8:36 PM

Roxanne doll

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by Anonymousreply 595May 16, 2024 8:47 PM

Were there ever Barbie versions of Dorothy and Arlene? Can you imagine??

by Anonymousreply 596May 17, 2024 1:15 AM

There was a Shari Lewis doll...

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by Anonymousreply 597May 17, 2024 1:30 AM

Madame Alexander dolls never resembled whoever supposedly inspired them. They were all generic-looking. "Is this supposed to be Shari Lewis or Roxanne Rosedale? They all look the same." Roxanne Rosedale shilled cameras, so they hung a small toy camera around the neck of a generic-looking child doll and called it a day.

by Anonymousreply 598May 17, 2024 2:25 AM

Part 5 is about to turn over all the cards. Part 6 may be found here.

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