Was there anything tacky about Jackie Kennedy?

Marrying Onassis was pretty tacky

She was spoiled. She didn't really seem to grow up until after Ari perished.

I feel like any time I heard her speak, she sounded like a little rich girl. Not Veruca Salt-like, but like a finishing school rich girl. Speak like a woman.

I adore her but wasn’t impressed when I read that she pushed Caroline to lose weight before her wedding.

Speed freak.

She was a greedy snob whose eyes were too far apart and she had massive hands and feet.

Pretty typical for women of her generation. Nancy Reagan slapped Patti for staring at cookies in the supermarket.

I was going to say the same thing that R1 said. As tacky as it gets. But still think she should have gotten a helluva lot more than 26 million at her divorce. In for a penny in for a pound.

Eleanor Roosevelt hated her. ER was at a Democratic fundraiser that Jackie was supposed to attend. When ER asked why Jackie wasn’t in attendance she was told because she couldn’t get her hair to look right.

Her love of money. She was raised that way by an avaricious mother.

She sold her blood and brain-splattered pink suit for a cool $5M.

She used margarine at state dinners.

Jackie wanted to be Bunny Mellon. Limitless wealth.

I thought the wedding dress was tacky.

Jackie O is admired for her stoicism and stiff upper lip during an enormous personal and national crisis. The father of her young children and the POTUS was blasted to death in front of her. She endured with a supernatural grace and led by example.

She led by example from the beginning. She saw the White House looked like a broken down frat house and immediately restored it with many American antiques to represent the best of us.

There wasn't a lot of money for the restoration, she used her charm and connections to complete the project.

Bunny Mellon designed the White House garden. For free. Out of friendship for Jackie Kennedy.

The Kennedy family chose the design and paid for the dress.

Jackie hated her wedding dress too.

Marrying Onassis was a response to Robert Kennedy's death. She needed full security, financial coverage, and a break from being the cherished widow in a family where her husband and brother-in-law were targeted and killed. She knew more than we do and want OUT.

For me, her cigarette breath was the tackiest thing about her.

She wore ratty panties.

What’s with the insecurity, OP? Why does the European view of her matter either way?

She was on assistance.

Achieving financial security was obviously important to her although it took a form that seems odd to people who truly lived hand to mouth. Her family was the Catholic version of Old Money, but mostly had trappings and scandal rather than actual money. Compared with her dreadful mother and sister, Jackie is practically a saint. She was someone who evolved over time, which she shared with JFK and RFK. It makes her way more interesting than some one dimensional social climber like Nancy Reagan. She lacked the simple graciousness of Lady Bird, but she wasn't sad and embittered like Pat Nixon or a lush like Betty Ford. And she was way more elegant than Mamie "parsley potatoes" Eisenhower.

She loved money and there wasn't enough until she married and divorced the satyr.

R4, Many brides diet before their wedding day.

Onassis was probably a much better lover than JFK.

Just remember her first cousins were Big and Little Edie.

Don't say, "money doesn't matter".

Because it is not true.

R22 has the the better analysis.

Using personal checks knowing vendors would rather keep the checks than cash them because the checks bore the former First Lady’s autograph.

She'd sell her designer clothing at a consignment shop for extra cash. Tacky.

The vicious way she suppressed the William Manchester book on the Kennedy assassination that the Kennedys had authorized.

[quote]Anyone who is against me will look like a rat -- unless I run off with Eddie Fisher.

She never took pictures with her cooter hanging out.

Actually she did but not by choice. Paparazzi caught her sunbathing nude and published the photos.

Giving paps the money shot.

The satyr arranged for the pap shot. Spiteful.

It's years since I've read any of Gore Vidal's memoirs but he spoke fondly of his step-sister (there might have been a falling out at some stage). What is clear in my memory is that he wasn't cynical about the Onassis marriage. Gore believed women should always pursue those advantages. After all, his own mother did it three times.

Vidal wrote the marriage was a necessity. Period.

Vidal was banned from the WH after getting into a catfight with JFK's bestie Lem Billings.

Marrying for love is a phenomenon relatively recent to human social anthropology.

I know about Lem Billings. But there's another story about a WH occasion when Jackie was sitting on an ottoman and Gore was crouched down chatting to her. As he stood up he placed a hand on Jackie's shoulder to steady himself and RFK swooped in to brush it away. "Hands Off The First Lady!!!" Apparently they almost came to blows.

Either way, I'm sure there were some in Camelot who viewed Gore as an intruder. In the hierarchy of WH Queens he must have been lowest in the pecking order.

I adore Jackie O.

But there is no denying what r30 posts.

She used her status and money to socially and financially brutalize poor William Manchester. That’s is a real negative.

On the other hand, in that book written by her secret service agent ( who was in love with her. He doesn’t write that but it’s as obvious as neon between the words) she required her children to obey and be respectful to all adults no matter their station and position.

I have nothing to base this on but I think Christina forked over to her more than 26 million. I think part of the deal is they agreed on what amount would leak to the press. They both saved face with that amount.

Oh, and Christina’s much reported hatred of Jackie didn’t stop her from calling on her after Ari Onassis was dead. She was showing off for latest boyfriend and Hackie always was gracious.

Tish Baldridge or Nancy Tuckerman ( I get those two mixed up) had no hesitation saying that to her interviewer after Jackie died.

It's time we brought Melania back, just to bring class and elegance to the White House.

She held a job. And as a lowly magazine magazine editor. Who the fuck did she think she was? Anna Wintour? Trash!

“Hackie”

Self “Oh, dear”

After John and Bobby, she made a play for Teddy but he turned her down. No triple hat for that tawdry, Papist slut!

Her “shopping sprees” during the Onassis marriage were actually cash grabs.

She would go to store and buy 100 pairs of shoes or 30 blouses or something in one trip, all charged to Onassis’ credit card. Then she would have Nancy Tuckerman or her maid take them to a consignment shop and sell them for cash, pocketing the proceeds.

That’s rather tacky. She did it because he gave her an allowance of $30,000 every month for shopping and household expenses (in late 60s/early 70s dollars) and by the 10th day of the month she was asking Onassis for more.

R45 - Cocaine is expensive, Miss Stella!

Her worst quality was her snobbishness. She made bitchy comments about various members of her husband's administration in the interviews after JFK's assassination that were pretty appalling, such as her infamous giggling reference to the Johnsons as "Colonel Cornpone and his little porkchop wife."

I thought everything about her was tacky.

Wasn't there considerable animosity between Lyndon and John? One of the numerous rumors was his own involvement in John being assassinated.

She went by "Jackie".

I love the anecdote shared by the White House cook, who sometimes found madam in the kitchen late at night, spoon in hand, consuming mass quantities of ice cream.

The poor gal was scrutinized every waking minute of every single day, and God help her if a hair was out of place, but even the most iron self discipline has to break sometimes and for me, that humanized her, rather than was “tacky.”

Ari knew how to please a woman, unlike Jack.

JFK only cared about his climax, not his partner’s.

Onassis was bisexual. As a youth, he would seduce and pleasure the prison guards where his father was incarcerated so he’d receive better treatment from them.

R52 what?! Is that true about Onassis?

“When his father was imprisoned in Turkey, during the Greek holocaust, it was said that Ari seduced a Turkish officer in order to free him—not because he was homosexual by nature, but because it was the most effective way of getting what he wanted. Nicholas Gage, author of “Greek Fire,” once said of him: “he felt that everybody had a price, and could be bought; but, like most cynics, he wanted to be proven wrong.” He never was.”

R26: Big Edie was Jackie’s AUNT, not cousin.

They built her up into something that she was not.

Eleanor is the benchmark by which subsequent FLOTUS’s should be judged by.

She was a woman of her time and of her class. She was raised to be a courtesan, like all women of her social status. It was what it was.

After Onassis died, however, and feminism really kicked off she got an office job even though she didn't need the money at all. She took the 5th Ave. bus to her job at Doubleday Books every morning and worked hard at her job. Everybody who worked with her said she was an excellent editor. I've always admired that about her.

[quote]For me, her cigarette breath was the tackiest thing about her.

Everybody and their mother smoked in those days. It was a totally different world.

She smoked in her apartment. That’s pretty tacky.

She seemed to calm down after she got her Onassis settlement and money was no longer a concern.

She couldn't manage on $30k a month? What was that bitch doing?

[quote]Just remember her first cousins were Big and Little Edie.

[quote]Don't say, "money doesn't matter".

[quote]Because it is not true.

So true. IMHO Jackie saw the disaster that happened with her aunt and cousin and it scared the living hell out of her. She easily could've ended up like that and did what she had to do to prevent it.

[quote]As he stood up he placed a hand on Jackie's shoulder to steady himself and RFK swooped in to brush it away. "Hands Off The First Lady!!!"

Which gave rise to Vidal suing Truman Capote for a million bucks when, in an interview with Playgirl magazine of all things, Capote claimed that Vidal was picked up and frog marched to the exit where he was unceremoniously tossed onto Pennsylvania Avenue. Capote had to cave and publish a public apology when Lee Radziwill (who told Capote the story) refused to testify on his behalf, telling Liz Smith "Who cares, they're just a couple of fags."

[quote]She smoked in her apartment. That’s pretty tacky.

So did everyone else back then. Indoor smoking was just a part of life.

R63: Even Vidal always seemed to change his story about how things ended with the Kennedys. It probably doesn't matter what really happened.

[quote]Her worst quality was her snobbishness.

Overcompensating for the fact that WASPs looked down on people like her and she knew it.

Jackie would be turning 95 in July.

[quote]Using personal checks knowing vendors would rather keep the checks than cash them because the checks bore the former First Lady’s autograph.

That’s actually pretty fucking smart.

The smoking…while knocked up.

I loved the little money laundering schem that Jackie had going, as described above. Whatever she spent on clothes was a pittance compared to the fortune Onassis had.

She smoked herself to an early death at age 64.

[quote]The smoking…while knocked up.

They all did that back then. The hazards of smoking while pregnant were not fully understood.

R72, Neither was drinking.

Her sista Jayne was much prettier.

Very average to Europeans. Lizard eyes. Looked like she was popping pills all the time. Only looked good at the funeral.

Marrying into that horse-toothed family of whores, manwhores, and drug addicts.

She could've married a Cushing, or a Vanderbilt, or an Otis. She could've married serious money, and lived a dignified life at Newport and Palm Beach. Instead she married Jack the Garbage Dick, kept him likable until his brains got splattered onto her Chanel, then married some horny Greek magnate, then "worked" as a book editor and let her sleazy boyfriend manage her finances.

She was evidently not too present as a mother, despite all her play-acting when the children were young. Just look how they turned out. People with good parentage don't turn out like that.

^^Oh, European First Ladies are so faultlessly beautiful. What American First Lady could ever live up to their standards of beauty?

Her kids turned out fine. She was by all accounts a good mother.

Here's Jackie being overshadowed by the sheer gorgeousness of Lady Dorothy Macmillan, the wife of the British PM at the time. No wonder Jackie seemed so average to European eyes!

R78 One bought a bankrupt "lifestyle" magazine and vastly overinflated his skills as a private pilot, and t'other tried to Nepo Baby herself into the US Senate but had to settle for serving as US Ambassador to two vital Pacific allies. And she hasn't held a paying job in decades.

R79 Lady Dorothy was a serial philanderer, even looking like that.

r80 they still turned out okay.

[quote] [R79] Lady Dorothy was a serial philanderer, even looking like that.

You don't need to be beautiful to be a philanderer.

And that the point of my post was that as a First Lady she indeed "look[ed] like that," so to say Jackie was "very average to European eyes" is a ridiculous claim.

R76: The Cushings didn't have sons and a Protestant family wouldn't want their sons marrying a Catholic.

Only the back side of her pasties.

She was a chin up, tits out, kind of gal. Even when she had to go on assistance.

She became friends with Charlayne Hunter Gault. She admired Gault’s shoes; they both had large feet and Charlayne took her to the shoe store where she bought hers.

That Protestant vs. Catholic stuff was such bullshit. Thank god the world moved on and it's irrelevant now. In fact, so many people today aren't religious at all.

Jackie was a sensation in a way no other First Lady EVER was. The French swooned for her, the Pope loved her, she elevated American taste with international impact, she altered US fashion and style, and she was wildly popular and respected on foreign trips with her knowledge and facility in languages. Her influence peaked at JFK's death and funeral because of her dignity and composure.

No one in the world looked down on purr, purr Jackie.

R57: "She took the 5th Ave. bus to her job at Doubleday Books every morning"

The same woman who married a hideous beast for his money so that she could protect herself and her children after her husband's and brother-in-law's assassinations "took the 5th Ave. bus" to work every morning? You actually believe that?

And I pick my nose.

“HOW much for this bunch of asparagus?!!”

[quote]the Pope loved her

The Pope loved Evita Peron too.

r89 she did. The bus stopped right near her building. Doubleday was just down 5th in Midtown.

Listen bitches, if an ugly old billionaire wanted to marry you and you only had to fuck him 3 or 4 times a year but otherwise you could do whatever the fuck you wanted and go shopping all day every single one of you would do it.

She always insisted on watching me and John, but she's never join in. So creepy.

Her cupidity, combined with her affected baby voice and snottiness toward Lyndon and Lady Bird Johnson, make me loathe her. The Johnsons together accomplished a great deal and brought personality, intelligence, and benevolent ambition to their time in the White House. Jackie was just a frog-faced hooker in a pillbox hat, completely outclassed by the lovely, smart and dignified Lady Bird.

Lyndon was a pervie character toward Jackie.

Lady Bird was not.

And Lyndon was the soul of kindness to Jackie after the assassination. he gave her as much time as she wanted to leave the White House. And he let her come back to visit, and kept her ridiculously pretentious sign she had made for the presidential bedroom door that said "John F. Kennedy lived here with his wife," which Richard Nixon had removed immediately after he moved in.

And how did that act of possession work out for Nixon?

R98, Actually, it was Pat who had the plaque removed, believing that it bore no historical significance.

She was correct. What if every Presidential family erected such a plaque as they were departing the White House?

Pat had no animosity towards Jackie. In 1971, she invited Jackie and her children to dinner at the White House and to view the official portraits of JFK and Jackie without the media knowing of the visit.

Jackie was eternally grateful to the Nixons for their kindness and it was the only time she ever returned to the White House.

Her simian face.

R96, she had a weird face that wasn't worthy of her hoity-toity attitude.

I preferred Lady Bird, too.

The entire Kennedy clan seemed to prefer weird-faced, zoonotic women.

Tacky O

Didn’t she go alone to movie matinees with a pack of wine coolers and leave the empties under her seat?

She asked Leona Helmsley for the number of her tax accountant.

[quote] The entire Kennedy clan seemed to prefer weird-faced, zoonotic women.

Old Joe and the other Kennedy men had to inspect the merchandise before they let her marry Jack

R107, did they find her at a monkey sanctuary?

It wasn't the smoking although it didn't help, it was the black hair dye. My aunt used the same kind and died of the same cancer

Tacky Kennedy?

[quote]… as a pinnacle of taste and elegance.

OP, that would be Miss Lindsey.

R6- She had that EMBRYONIC look.

R98- Really? Didn’t he have her husband rubbed out.

The Jackie O love from DLers is because as little boys they saw her and thought that they, too, could become first lady despite looking like a fish.

[quote] Wasn't there considerable animosity between Lyndon and John?

No, that was arrogant snot Bobbie. He called Johnson “senator cornpone” because LBJ was from common background, instead of gangster-turned-society money like the Kennedys.

JFK respected LBJ’d political acumen and his ambition, and included him in many important meetings, including the Cuban missile crisis. Of course he was VP and wasn’t really listened to.

Then suddenly JFK was dead and the worm turned. I’ve always enjoyed reading about how LBJ got his revenge on Bobby after that.

Sure, she was tacky--would a REAL lady marry a KENNEDY and then Onassis? But she knew she needed money (and also had a thing for bad boys who were like her scuzzy father). But so what? Coming on the heels, so to speak, of Bess Truman and Mamie Eisenhower, she was FANTASTICALLY sophisticated and helped change America.

Did she actually accomplish anything?

I can think of classier people. Wealth, relative good looks, wearing the fashions of the day doesn't add up to class.

[quote]Did she actually accomplish anything?

She gave us commoners a look inside the White House with her televised tour.

And she did help to save Grand Central Terminal.

[quote]Did she actually accomplish anything?

She managed to get the White House renovated from top to bottom, and the rose garden, which of course the Vairst Lady destroyed was a showpiece.

After she was widowed the second time, she leaned in to help save Grand Central as well.

She gave us JFK, Jr. to look at for 38 years.

She did more than that. Her poise in the aftermath of her husband's, the POTUS assignation , in her lap! restored the natural order of American democracy. It was unthinkable, but the country moved through and moved forward from the brutal unnatural event by taking much needed directions on decorum from the FLOTUS.

Still wearing clothes with the brains and blood of her husband, Jackie attended the ceremony swearing in Johnson as her husbands successor.

She did more than most, certainly more than her critics.

[quote] [R89] she did. The bus stopped right near her building. Doubleday was just down 5th in Midtown.

This is correct. My former friend Karen worked at Bradbury when Jackie was at Doubleday. This PT situation was known to all.

Karen said Jackie could be eccentric. Karen would be sitting peeing in a stall in the empty bathroom and someone would come in and occupy the next stall even though the bathroom was otherwise empty, and it was Jackie. You could tell, she said, by the designer shoes and very long feet.

Jackie was known as being hardworking and proposing interesting book ideas the jerks at Doubleday always shot down. Instead they assigned her weirdo Michael Jackson, an experience she found completely exhausting. Imagine being Michael Jackson’s editor!

It was Letitia Baldridge who suggested that Jackie get into editing, and Karen remembered Letitia coming in once to meet Jackie for lunch.

She was very accessible.

Did she still have Secret Service in her later years? How was she riding a public bus to work everyday?

She got on the bus. Paid her fare. The bus moved.

All pretty simple.

[quote] she was FANTASTICALLY sophisticated and helped change America.

Yes, changed into "style over substance" America.

She was on assistance.

Her horrible teeth. All that money and she had the teeth of an old British pauper.

Bit her nails, smoked like a chimney had nicotine stained teeth, cunty sense of humor. Aside from that she was FABULOUS.

[quote] Aside from that she was FABULOUS.

Her married lovers and their abandoned children agree

R125, She lost it when she married Onassis, who had better security anyway.

Magats are just useless. At best.

Black Jack Bouvier would’ve approved of his daughter being comfortably settled with Onassis.

To all DL-ers: read the recent biography Finding Jackie by Oline Eaton. An excellent book, well-balanced. It's all there.

[quote]Yes, changed into "style over substance" America.

She was an intelligent, cultured, and well-read woman.

Jackie had… grace.

And applied bleach to her yellow teeth with q-tips.

She also made some unofficial diplomatic visits as well. When she went with Jack on a state visit to France after he took office, the French adored her--she'd studied in Paris for a year and spoke French--to the point that Jack referred to himself as "the man who accompanied Jacqueline Kennedy to Paris." She was also the first First Lady to visit India and Pakistan. She made similar trips to other countries, and did well in Latin American countries because she was also fluent in Spanish.

The reverse of her First Spouse coin issued by the US Mint has an image of the magnolia she planted at Jack's grave over a map of the world, and the ends of the petals all point to places she visited.

R139, Jackie gave de Gaulle a chubby.

[quote][R139], Jackie gave de Gaulle a chubby.

I'd make a comment about stank sleeve, but then so too did Jack and Ari, so....

r129 I think her teeth were kind of charming...

R239 those were all official visits …

Jackie re-gifted to Ethel the parsley potatoes that Mamie had sent over after Jack’s assassination.

I'm honestly surprised Mamie didn't pack up the potatoes and take them with her.

R141, JFK underwent a circumcision at age 18 in 1935 due to a venereal disease.

Ouch!

JFK’s postmortem medical examination that states he was circumcised.

Marrying into the Kennedys was TACKY- what possessed her. But shacking up with Ari was even tackier.

[quote]I'm honestly surprised Mamie didn't pack up the potatoes and take them with her.

They were paid for by the taxpayer. Even if she wanted to, she couldn’t take them.

[quote]They were paid for by the taxpayer. Even if she wanted to, she couldn’t take them.

Who geeve a fuck?

[quote]Big Edie was Jackie’s AUNT, not cousin.

And Gore Vidal was her step-sister Nina Auchincloss's elder half-brother, not her own stepbrother.

She and Vidal shared Hugh Auchincloss as a stepfather, at different times. Their mothers were married to him.

More tacky: Mamie's fairy toast or the Vairst Lady's "Christmas in Mordor" decorations?

R116 Don’t mess with Bess—she never planned on being First Lady. She and Harry were thisclose.

Due to the WH reconstruction, they lived at Blair House for a long time. Due to her personal preference, she spent as much time as possible back at the family home in Independence.

Charles DeGaulle had her number. After the Kennedys left Paris in 1961 one of DeGaulle’s aides said to him, “Mrs.Kennedy is quite a woman.”

DeGaulle replied, “she is. I can see her in 10 years on the yacht of a Greek petrol billionaire.”

Well shit. If you have to marry for money, make sure you get paid. You don't do it for handbags and trips!

She wore very red lipstick under her veil on the day of the president's funeral. It looked really vulgar. She should have stuck to something neutral and understated like peach.

Did she actually sleep with Nureyev?

Smoking. IDGAF how popular it was. It was ALWAYS tacky and disgusting.

According to Truman Capote (consider the source), she found out Nureyev liked men and then she said she “admired his talent,” r158.

Andy Warhol alleged in his diaries that Warren Beatty bragged about fucking Jackie.

R157, what an odd observation. Through the reams of info published on the funeral, I’ve never seen that. In photos, she doesn’t appear to be wearing any lipstick.

She had to know the smoking was tacky. She made it a point to never be photographed holding one.

[quote]Smoking. IDGAF how popular it was. It was ALWAYS tacky and disgusting.

"Tacky and disgusting" as said by somebody from West Virginia! 😂😂

[quote]She made it a point to never be photographed holding one.

A few did slip through.

Dicks? Or Cigarettes?

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I don't think so. When she was first lady she was extremely famous around the world. Princess Diana level famous.

R161, I couldn't locate a photo but I've seen it, and it really struck me.

Maybe I saw it in color video somewhere?

She wouldn’t let John-John become an actor…

[quote]And Gore Vidal was her step-sister

I thought this was hilarious R152. You could've ended the sentence there.

Gore was her ugly, wicked stepsister

Part of her appeal was that she looked like absolutely nobody else. E.g. the linked pic in R166 - the wide set eyes, the colouring and, especially in the sixties and early seventies, the huge hair.

She was thin and wore expensive clothes well. And as she rarely spoke in public, she was mysterious.

And for those of you who are obsessing about her teeth - she came from a generation and a class that didn’t prize blindingly white chiclets (see Trump, DJ).

With dignity and grace, she led a nation in mourning Jack's death. I will always love Jackie.

[quote]And as she rarely spoke in public

Thank God.

She was 33. That alone did it. It’s hard to overestimate what that meant at the time.

She was the same age as my mother. I was sitting in a crib, while my mother ironed, when the newsflash came over. My mom said she learned about her own ability to persevere by way of Jackie—it came in handy more than once.

Hard to imagine in our 24/7 media culture there were once very famous people that you never heard speak or interviewed. Howard Hughes,Garbo, Jackie. As a gayling in the 80's recall asking Mum "What does Jackie O sound like?" She replied " A bad Marilyn Monroe"

[quote]"What does Jackie O sound like?" She replied " A bad Marilyn Monroe"

Your mom's a smart lady! I remember thinking the same thing.

You both sound dumb—‘cause she didn’t sound at all like Monroe

I could never tell these broads apart.

IMO, she smoked to keep her weight down. It was a sin to be fat. She was like Patsy Stone in that respect. I'm guessing (not joking) that she purged whatever ice cream she was eating in secret.

Her mother did seem like Kris Jenner or Kathy Hilton.

Her kids came out very well, compared to all of their first cousins. John Jr. was dumb and a risk-taker. However, neither of her children became drug addicts or embarrassed her.

LBJ did seem crude and, while JFK was alive, he probably felt like a relic. However, LBJ got the Civil Rights Act passed. Huge achievement.

[quote]John Jr. was dumb and a risk-taker. However, neither of her children became drug addicts or embarrassed her.

Look at the list of girlfriends John-John had. It’s long and that embarrassed Jackie.

Also that he tried being a lawyer and failed at it. He was too pretty to be a public defender.

When she was on assistance

A better question would be “Was there NOT anything tacky about Jackie Kennedy?”.

[quote] You both sound dumb—‘cause she didn’t sound at all like Monroe

She didn't sound like Monroe, but both women used a special affected breathy speaking voice when they knew the microphones were on that they did not use most of the time. They both tried to infantilize themselves to make themselves appear more seductive.

She seemed kind of lazy when I frog-marched her round the White House.

She had little money of her own and would have been dependent on Kennedy largesse if she had not remarried rich. Onassis was a slimeball, but what marriageable wealthy man in her circle wasn't? Besides, she and her sister Lee were lifelong rivals and Lee was having an affair with Onassis first after having slept with JFK. Marriage to Onassis satisfied her financial "needs" and allowed her to best Lee, who never forgave her.

R181 he never tried to be a PD

She married Ari because she wanted to protect her children and didn't care about what t did to her reputation. Brave.

The clip in R185 shows R184 failed to make the case. Her accent is affected—as expected by a woman of her background—the voice itself is not.

When you think of the three FLOTUS that preceded her, Jackie was a revelation.

Mamie, Bess and Eleanor.

R190, Lee’s voice was very similar to Jackie’s.

Jackie and Lee in India.

[quote] Jack referred to himself as "the man who accompanied Jacqueline Kennedy to Paris."

And that night made an excursion to Madame Claude's establishment where he requested a Jackie lookalike.

The president wanted to bed La Dolce Vita actress Anouk Aimee who was a 'more seductive, sexual version' of First Lady Jackie Kennedy

But the actress turned down the encounter because she refused to sleep with a 'puerile warmonger'

Claude was forced to find a Jackie lookalike - a 23-year old Sorbonne grad - who wore the same white Givenchy dress the first lady would wear at Versailles

During the secret $2,000 tryst the president had reportedly complained to the model that his wife was more interested in fashion than sex

Utter bullshit—mildly amusing, but utter and complete bullshit. ^

R178 you are skating on thin ice calling anyone “dumb” when you are so stupid that you don’t appreciate the difference between “cause” and “because”.

As dumb as you for failing to notice a contraction?

Was there anything Jackie about Tacky Kennedy?

Girls! Girls! You’re both insufferable twats!

Jackie & Marilyn R199?

Would she rather be called Jackie or Jacqueline?

She was tacky in telling historian Theodore White that JFK’s time in the White House should be remembered as Camelot, a whopper of a myth if there ever was one.

Such bullshit and actually kind of cynical on her part.

It was brilliant. And it worked.

R202, It’s a hell of a lot better than being remembered for Watergate.

That's one hell of a non sequitur, Pat. Or was it? Didn't, he beat you around?

R77,

France is the only European country that has anything like a First Lady role, and it is unofficial. Carla Bruni was a model, so it made sense that she was a clothes horse. Other French First Ladies were more substantial.

Contraction or not (which I did notice, R197) - “‘cause” or “‘cause” in place of “because” both denote a fool who is comfortable sounding like a toddler. At least s/he didn’t use “cos”, so I guess that there’s that.

Feel better now, R197?

I hope that, at some point, you get the help that you need. You’re certainly not cut out for DL commentary—yikes.

I’m surprised the parallels between Jackie and her sister and the Middleton sisters aren’t remarked on more.

You’re hilarious, R208!

Fwiw, Elizabeth Taylor was one of the few to defend Jackie when she married Ari Onassis.

"I think Jackie made an excellent choice. I know Ari. He's fun, intelligent and lots of fun to be around."

I actually believe that about Onassis. Of course, having a billion dollars or so can cause any person to be viewed in the best possible light.

Not sure I quoted Taylor with her precise words, but I did capture her point. ^

She wasn't a very attractive woman. Very plain looking.

Always seeking assistance. When Caroline graduated from Columbia Law School, Jackie insisted the entire family be photographed in front of the Financial Aid board.

The Middleton sisters are glorified WAGS.

[quote]When Caroline graduated from Columbia Law School, Jackie insisted the entire family be photographed in front of the Financial Aid board.

It’s Caroline’s graduation, but everyone is looking at John-John.

[quote]Was there anything tacky about Jackie Kennedy?

Yes. Her fingers after giving Frank Sinatra a hand job.

R216 - except for the deplorable Schlossberg.

[quote]Other French First Ladies were more substantial.

Really? In 1961?

[Quote] Fwiw, Elizabeth Taylor was one of the few to defend Jackie

Sure, another one with feet bigger than most men’s.

What was Elizabeth Taylor’s shoe size?

Elizabeth Taylor’s shoe size was 10 US (41 EU).

R216 they are looking at Teddy

What is Ed Schlossberg’s problem? I understand that he is something of a bully.

R223, There was definite contention between JFK, Jr. and Ed Schlossberg, which unfortunately spilled over to the relationship with his sister Caroline.

After Jackie died, Ed began speaking for the family and making decisions, which pissed off JFK, Jr.

Schlossberg has always been an arrogant prick.

The name Schlossberg conjures images of Semitic BDF swagger.

I am watching I Am Jackie O and my god Jackie's eyebrows move around a lot when she talks.

Personally, I think being on assistance is as tacky as it gets.

- Peg Guggenheim

Get pegged, Peg.

She had ugly feet.

After JFK died, the Kennedy family still controlled Jackie. Stephen Smith handled all the family finances and he allocated allowances and paid expenses as needed. But this meant he knew all her business, and she had no real financial f reedom. She married Onassis to get away from the Kennedys as much a from the violence in the USA that killed her husband and her brother in law. I think she deserved more than the $26 Million she got from Onassis's estate. Christina had her cornered, because she knew that Jackie and Ari were separated and that her father was planning to divorce Jackie. But there was no way Jackie was going to raise her kids in Greece or be the dutiful obedient Greek wife. He and Niarchos were notorious for slapping their wives around. With all his money and his cunning and his smarts, Ari was a peasant at heart and thought he could by his way into the international upper classes with the ultimate trophy wife. But he underestimated Jackie. Fortunately for her, his health failed him.His age and his debauchery caught up for him. Somewhere in some dark corner Maria Callas was sticking pins in his wax figure chanting magic spells. And then he died.

You know aside from royal duties Catherine leads a very private life, and so does Pipa. And James. And their parents. they are not self promoters nor do they want us to know who their friends are and whether or not they hob nob in high society. I actually like the MIddletons and honestly feel Carole and Michael did a great job raising their kids.

Stephen Smith used to complain about Ethel’s expenditures each month and would ask “Why can’t she use her Skakel money?”.

R180- Another achievement- LBJ had President Kennedy rubbed out.

I was on a gay cruise years ago and this brainiac told me that LBJ and Edgar J Hoover had him rubbed out by the Mafia.

R224, JFK Jr had a complete right to be pissed off if that was what was going on.

Ethel’s Skakel money was tied up for years in equity in her father’s company, The Great Lakes Carbon Corporation. She wasn’t able to get access to it until the 80s, when she was able to sell it after the company started an employee stock purchase program.

Consequently, she was at the mercy of the trusts set up by Joe Kennedy, which primarily benefited his grandchildren, not his daughters in law. Even getting money for basic expenses from the Kennedys was a challenge for Ethel. At some point in the 70s, Hickory Hill’s roof had deteriorated so much there were holes in the roof. Ethel didn’t have money to buy a new roof, and Bobby’s mother, brother and sisters refused to help. Jackie ended up paying for the roof.

Jackie had a similar issue, but she was protected by RFK, who supplemented her income from the Kennedy trusts with an additional annuity of his own. Even so, Jackie had to beg the Kennedys for more money-even for basic expenses. For example, Jackie needed a new car and only got it after promising to campaign for RFK.

After RFK died, Jackie lost that protection, and had to deal with the nagging of both Steve Smith and Rose Kennedy. Rose called Jackie’s mother and told her that “my husband cannot continue to fund every wh of [Jackie’s].”

*whim not wh

Being on assistance is kinda tacky

I seriously doubt there's anything to the theory that LBJ and Hoover had Kennedy killed by t heMafia. I have always believed it was a Mafia hit. Because Hoover had close contacts in the Mafia (whose existence he consistently denied) I believe Hoover heard rumors of an assassination attempt before it happened, and did nothing to follow up.

If you ask me, it's pretty tacky to turn down a whole pantry's worth of parsely potatoes!

That time she wanted to start a secret porn career and thought no one would recognize her. I do think her stage name of Lee Gashiwill was clever.

She was never surrounded by "yes men." She did her independent thing. She smoked her cigarettes and just lived like a modern woman. Good for her.

I was at the opera tonight using my opera glasses. I wondered if Jackie had custom opera glasses due to the unusual width of her eyeballs since standard opera glasses would never fit her face.

R243=Maria Callas

R76 You must be talking about Ethel. Jackies’s two children turned out just fine.

Ethel knows what to do with an index finger

She smoked cigs and that's tacky.

Yes and all they ever want is a blowjob with no reciprocation. Fuckem. Like they have magic cum? I avoid the bastards.

Gore Vidal wrote that she had big, manly feets.

My Catholic family had pictures of Pope John & Pope Paul, and JFK and Jackie. After she married Ari, Jackie's picture came down. My mom and aunt had the Jackie circa 1962 hair style, in old pics that I saw of them. I remember asking my mother why the cold shoulder to Jackie, and her telling me 'she can no longer receive Communion because she married a divorced man', lol.

Interesting about the family money and the role it probably played in Jackie's exit from the Kennedy orbit. She was smart to make her alliances with Joe and the sons. She never really clicked with Rose (who tended to be off by herself, anyway) and made fun of the toothy Kennedy girls, as she supposedly called them. Steve Smith seems to have carved out a position of relative independence---the money management helped, I'm sure, but they kept a low profile most of the time, except when their son was charged with rape and Jean granted Gerry Adams a visa. I wonder how the other kids have done?

R251, Steve Smith was a flagrant womanizer throughout his marriage to Jean, but in true Kennedy tradition she dealt with it.

Jean had a serious affair with Alan Jay Lerner and was set to leave Smith, but Lerner abruptly ended their relationship.

[quote] I thought the wedding dress was tacky.

Only in that it was white.

The dress she wore to marry Ari was a Valentino she had hanging in her closet.

Why did she need protection?

Why did the mafia kill JFK?

What did Ari look like young where he’d suck Turkish prison cock?

My mom wore giant sunglasses her whole life and called them her Jackie Os. I wish I had kept them

R254 - Her second marriage, and two kids later, and still with the fucking white!

Well at.least the wedding was before Labor Day!

R258, The wedding date was October 20, 1968.

R257, Four kids, Arabella was stillborn and Patrick only lived for a few days.

Why’d she have problems with her pregnancies? Was it idiopathic or was it from the STDs that JFK supposedly gave her? I’ve been told that she got the clap from him more than once. Plus, she smoked when she was pregnant.

JFK, Jr. was born with the same lung/breathing problem that Patrick was later born with, but obviously JFK, Jr. survived.

Onassis crudely told a friend the only thing Jackie ever gave him was “the Kennedy Clap.”

Jackie pushed that wedding date and wanted it to happen very quickly because the gossip columns were starting to pick up on what was going on. The wedding happened at the last minute-the passengers on a scheduled Olympic Airlines flight from JFK were bumped and put on a later flight for Jackie and her wedding party-her mother; children; Jean Smith; Pat and Sydney Lawford.

Speaking of Sydney Lawford-her sons are very attractive.

[quote]Jackies’s two children turned out just fine.

One of them flew a plane into the ocean.

R263, When your grandfather is Peter Lawford, you definitely have an edge.

And he did it upside down!

R263 she and her brother Chris were two of the saner people in that generation of Kennedys.

R267, Not really. Chris admitted and wrote of his years of drug abuse. He dropped dead of a heart attack at 63.

Sydney and Victoria Lawford both turned out well; both married long time boyfriends and have been married for over 35 years. The youngest Lawford daughter, Robin, ended up being her mother’s best friend and never married.

Jean’s 2 adopted children are very different from each other. Amanda got married , had children and has edited/written several books about the Kennedys. Her youngest daughter, Kym (the Asian one), married a Dublin bartender while her mother was the Irish ambassador. The last update I saw from her is this story from 2016-she got the name of a drag queen, Mr.Pussy, tattooed on her arm. I wonder what Caroline and Ethel thought of that.

Her French.

Jean Kennedy Smith gave birth to this.

Stephen Smith Jr is the creepiest looking man. He’s gay, right-he’s over 60 and never married. Even his rapist brother settled down.

Stevie looks trans, but I once read something written by a guy who had sex with him a couple of times and said he's very closeted. (This was along time ago--25 years?)

JFK Senior's Attorney General was his brother, Robert F. Kennedy. RFK publicly declared war on the Mafia. That is why people speculate that the Mafia was behind the JFK assassination.

Appending to R273 The guy also said the sex was terrible.

R231, $26 million in mid-‘70s dollars is the equivalent of over $150 million today.

[quote] She married Onassis to get away from the Kennedys as much a from the violence in the USA

The violent USA being a pro-Castro communist and a Jew hating Palestinian.

[quote] RFK publicly declared war on the Mafia.

Just certain parts of the Mafia such as Carlos Marcello's New Orleans family. New York's Five Families and Chicago were a different matter.

From what I recall, in various gossip sites, etc. back then, Maria Callas was PISSED OFF when Ari married Jackie because he was still with her! And so was Lee Radziwill because she had her eye on Ari, Jackie knew t hat, and she was the one who got him to invite Jackie to go on a cruise after he baby, Patrick died. So Tacky Jackie made moves that were really a bitch to those two women both of whom get stabbed in the back. Ari had a present for Lee, but he decided to give it to Jackie because it was too expensive for just Lee. Rubies.

Frank Dropped Names Langella wrote a little about observing the Mellon's unlimited wealth. Bunny visited an artists studio and purchased all of his artwork in his studio. The artist was Mark Rothko.

R280 people who are rich like that disgust me. I want to be them.

I went to school with "Butchie " and Muffy, but I never knew a Bunny...

[quote]Jackies’s two children turned out just fine.

[quote]One of them flew a plane into the ocean.

With his wife and sister-in-law on board.

I died in a plane crash first!

Excuse me, R284?

Kick, Jack’s favorite sister, was the next Kennedy to die in a plane crash.

For what it’s worth, my parents died in a plane crash in ‘55.

waz ts b prez r sumthang

R274 that makes no sense…RFK was a senate aide in the 50s, investigating racketeering —if the Mafia were pissed then why would they wait until JfK was elected…either or both could have been knocked off before being elected to higher office.

You’re just repeating unverified bullshit from third hand 60s sources. Do better instead of being a bargain basement Oliver Stone.

[quote] if the Mafia were pissed then why would they wait until JfK was elected

Syndicate money bought the West Virginia primary for Jack cheating Humphrey out of the probable nomination. Since the partnership with Lucky Luciano the Kennedys were tight with the mob.

Nothing moi did was 'tacky". That's why you déclassé antediluvian queens are still nattering about me thirty years after I kicked.

Some old billionaire wants to marry me and I'll only have to fuck him once or twice a month, otherwise I can do whatever the hell I want? Sign me up!

Jackie O-face

What r292 wrote.

Eat your hearts out, bitches.

Did Jackie leave Onassis off her tombstone since she's buried at Arlington with JFK?

No, r295.

Nope. It reads "Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis 1929 - 1994"

If I remember correctly, as part of the $26 million settlement, Jackie had to keep using the Onassjs name. Christina made her lawyers put that stipulation in the settlement.

R290 …which totally contradicts the idea of a mob hit …so, whats is your point?

R298

Her pancakes Barbara tits were kind of trashy.

I believe Joe Sr. Used his mafia connections to get Jack elected and then when Bobby started cracking down on organized crime they got pissed off. That is the theory I saw in a documentary behind the assassination being a mafia hit on JFK.

r302 that's exactly what George Jacobs, Sinatra's longtime valet, suggested in his memoir. He claimed it was what Sinatra himself strongly believed, as he'd been a major conduit between the Kennedys - specifically Joe Sr - and Giancana.

He claimed it was Joe Sr who really activated the mafia connections to get JFK elected, without his sons' knowledge. When Bobby went after the mob the way he did, old Joe had been rendered mute by his major stroke and couldn't tell him to back off and why. It led to JFK's killing.

Being on assistance

Of course there are many American women of he age and time who were every bit as elegant- just not (as) famous.

Smoked like a chimney.

I wish she lived longer; John Jr., would be alive. He might’ve been President.

[quote] And he did it upside down!

Indeed. Very few can boast of that.

Mrs. Onassis allegedly continued to send postal mail free of charge by using the “congressional franking privilege” that she’d acquired by function of coverture through her first husband’s offices as US Senator and President.

Seemed to smoke a lot. Nothing classier than reeking of old cigarette smoke while sporting brown teeth and finger tips/nails.

Everybody and their fucking mother smoked back in those days.

Ethel and the Kennedy sisters used to laugh at her for running the tap water when she went into the bathrooms at the Hyannisport compound to take a shit so as to hide her farting noises.

True story.

^^It's the classy thing to do

I've driven through Hyannis and passed the compound and it really is a lot of nothing. Sprawling frame houses that were probably pretty uncomfortable by today's standards.No privacy. Run that tap, Jackie!

I like that she stuck up for Marilyn after her death, saying that Arthur Miller's thinly veiled AFTER THE FALL was a gross exploitation

Was it Truman Capote who said she and her sister were nothing more than geishas?

Truman was filled with spite. He attached himself to Lee because he really wanted to be close to Jackie. He thought she could have been dependent on him like Babe Paley. Hah. As for Jackie she was an intellectual. She was always in learning mode and had an intellectual curiosity her sister couldn't even begin to appreciate. Jackie read and understood history, she spoke three languages, and she was a pro when it came to international diplomacy. She was a great help to her husband in an era when men were too self conscious to credit their wives. If she appeared to stay in her lane it was by design. Her White House renovation, her interest in the arts and culture, established us in a post WW II world as cultural leaders as much as we were diplomatic leaders.

[quote]He claimed it was Joe Sr who really activated the mafia connections to get JFK elected, without his sons' knowledge. When Bobby went after the mob the way he did, old Joe had been rendered mute by his major stroke and couldn't tell him to back off and why. It led to JFK's killing.

^^This. So ironic about the stroke. But I always wondered if the CIA was involved too. They found and detained a few "tramps" behind the grassy knoll and at least one of them was connected to the CIA.

It did not, R318.

R318 never heard of these three tramps before. I'd give the first two a blowie each

OK. Joe Kennedy did enlist the Mafia to help with the elections. In the primaries. Wet Virginia and couple other places where Senator Hubert Humphrey was hurting him. The Mafia was "close" to the labor union leadership in West Virginia. (Miners.) Anyway, Joe knew them and worked cooperatively with them during prohibition when he made all his money. This is not hearsay. He famously said to JFK and Bobby, "Don't buy anymore votes than necessary. I'll be damned if I'll pay for a landslide!" He was only half joking.

The mafia guys expected the Kennedy White House to reciprocate. They were really pissed off about Cuba. Really pissed off when Castro took over, and Eisenhower actually recognized that government, then a few months later Ike was embarrassed when Castro announced to the world that he was a Communist. When JFK appointed Bobby as Attorney General the mafia guys didn't like it. Bobby was idealistic and tough and he was a crusader. He was going after Hoffa, and he was also working on the mob. (Hoffa would develop his own problems with the mob, but that came later. They helped him with his union organizing and he helped them by allowing they to get "loans " from the Teamsters Pension fund to build Las Vegas casinos. Hoffa did insist the mob guys go through the motions of due diligence when applying for loans. Later when he was in Prison, his successor in the Teamsters' presidency just opened his legs, or more appropriately he bent over and offered the mob his ass and they loved him. When Hoffa threatened to come back and end this period of largess, they didn't like it one bit. But that's another story. )

OK. The Kennedys. So JFK was fucking Sam Giancana's mistress, Judith Campbell Exner. Sam knew. He didn't mind. They weren't serious. But I just mention it because JFK was kind of reckless. Anyway, early in his PResidency, JFK fucked up the Bay of Pigs when he refused to provide air cover for the "revolutionaries" backed by the CIA, who were trying to invade Cuba to get rid of Castro. It was a debacle. JFK enlisted the Mafia once again to "assist" in getting rid of Castro. It was like the keystone cops. Exploding cigars, poison, hit men, let's burn up the sugar cane fields, etc.

JFK was trying to placate them, but they knew he wasn't serious. And when he was unable or unwilling to call off Bobby and his investigations., they had enough. But then the Mafia guys knew enough about how the CIA worked, with contractors who assassinated people, so that they were able to "cut off the head of the snake." Some things I've read indicate Hoover knew "something bad" was going to happen but he had not details. He hated both brothers. But he would never participate in anything like an assassination of a PResident. He just did nothing. JFK was killed in a mob hit. Oswald was, as he himself said, "A patsy." He was a fringe player, a loose cannon, the perfect sucker.

^He. Was. Not.

[quote][R318] never heard of these three tramps before. I'd give the first two a blowie each

Good taste [cough]. The first one is Woody Harrelson's father.

[quote]In the primaries. Wet Virginia

Who was this? Another Kennedy hooker?

Tacky Jacky: baby Patrick Kennedy was born on Cape Cod in August 1963 with hyaline membrane disease and rushed to Children's Hospital in Boston where doctors fought to save him. He died two days after being born.

Now, granted, the Kennedys had a lot going on then. Jackie was understandably depressed, as it was her third failed pregnancy. Then she and her sister Lee went on a month-long Mediterranean cruise on Onassis' yacht, chaperoned by an unhappy FDR, Jr., came home and then her husband was dead a month later.

But they never paid the bill to Children's Hospital.

R325, Steve Smith handled all the bills for the Kennedy family.

He ran the Kennedy family office in NYC. He didn't decide who got paid and who didn't.

her horrible french

[quote] But they never paid the bill to Children's Hospital.

They would've had no bills to pay at Shriners Hospital.

[quote]But they never paid the bill to Children's Hospital.

Bless your heart for thinking Jackie sat down with a stack of bills and her checkbook at the kitchen table every month. 😂

Didn’t the Kennedys always try to get out of paying bills?

He absolutely did, R327.

Steve Smith held the Kennedy family purse strings and decided who got paid.

Do your research.

R327

“He then headed the Park Agency Inc., in Manhattan, where he managed $300 million in Kennedy family investments. After his father-in-law Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. suffered a stroke on December 19, 1961, Smith managed the family's fortune out of a New York City office building.“

[quote] Didn’t the Kennedys always try to get out of paying bills?

I have read that more about Ethel. Jackie, to a lesser extent.

No R331, the bills went to Stephen Smith's office and were paid. If there wasf ollow up or questions, etc. he and his staff handled them.

Stephen Smith and Ted Kennedy used to complain about Ethel never using her substantial Skakel money rather than Kennedy money.

Tacky gold digger and ugly to boot.