Are you a Disney fan?

I was in Disneyland Paris in 2003. I rode the rocknroll Rollercoaster in that movie park section and had a breakfast with Donald duck but he spoke French. I like the 90s Disney movies the most but pocahontas was boring. I think home on the ranch and sleeping beauty are boring too but I love snow white because I am racist. I think Disney ruined Chris Evans' career by inserting the lesbian couple into lightyear instead of allowing Jeremy Renner and Robert downey junior to come out as gay men. Seriously, why promote computer generated lesbians when you have lesbian looking gay men that are still closeted and which you could support as a billion dollar company for their coming out? That's why I hate Disney these days.

Puddin’ married at Disney. It has It has to be fabulous.to be fabulous..

I'd love to go to a Disney land or world just for the experience, but alas I am too poor and doubt I'll ever get there. I find Disney animations boring. Mickey Mouse and his cohort leave me cold.

I have relatives who are obsessed with Disney. I find it disturbing. Their homes are crammed with Disney crap. They dress their kids in Disney branded clothing. It's mental, really.

Disney adults are both fascinating and repulsive.

I love Disney and Universal Studios. The world is so nasty right now that it's a joy to escape to a world where everything is perfect and magical. The rides and attractions are amazing.

I love Disney and Universal theme parks.

However, I find Disney Adults to be strange and off-putting. I understand having a lot of attachment to a media property, as my Star Trek tattoo will attest. But even I don't make Star Trek my entire identity.

I’ve been to each of the US parks once, as a child. No desire to return.

Tell us about your Star Trek tattoo, r6. It’s The Enterprise, isn’t it?

I like theme parks. Disney, Efteling, Europa Park, Parc Astérix, Parque Warner Bros.. Storytelling, beautiful theming that makes you forget about real life for a couple of hours...

Buying made-in-china merch crap from any of those parks? God no.

I have an acquaintance who loves the Star Wars universe and Disney. When the worlds merged, she was in heaven- she's always talking about year passes and the secret restaurant in her SM posts, but the classic Disney characters don't interest her.

Dutchie- Parc Astérix??? That actually sounds fun.

[quote]Tell us about your Star Trek tattoo, [R6]. It’s The Enterprise, isn’t it?

No, it's one of the delta shields with a medical red cross, combo'd with the Rod of Asclepius and a stylized Psi for psychiatry.

In typical DL fashion, you may clutch your pearls for my temerity for getting tattooed in the first place, or inform me about how I am trashy or mentally ill.

Went to Disney World when I was seven and loved it but wouldn't go back.

I like the classic shorts and the early features - Pinocchio, Alice, Dumbo, Peter Pan.

Carl Barks and Don Rosa's Donald Duck comics are brilliant.

I don't count Star Wars, Pixar or Marvel as Disney.

I have a fondness for Disney's classic films, especially the animated ones. However, I am not much of a fan of the 3D animated films outside of a select few. It would probably be fun to go to Disney World again at some point (I went once, when I was 8 years old), but it's not on the top of my list. I would probably have fun but I am not huge on amusement park rides or hot weather, waiting in lines, etc.

I knew a couple that took almost all of their vacations to Disney, sometimes going twice per year. That seemed a bit extreme to me, but to each their own, I guess.

[quote] In typical DL fashion, you may clutch your pearls for my temerity for getting tattooed in the first place, or inform me about how I am trashy or mentally ill.

No thanks.

No not a fan. We live by stories and Disney offers them in abundance. Personally I find Disney full of cliches and low hanging fruit, overly reliant on stereotypes and generic low brow references. They steal from everyone then copywriter everything. They are at this point irideemable capitalist scum.

It’s a sin, that tattoo. A sin.

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[quote] I don't count Star Wars, Pixar or Marvel as Disney.

But they are, Blanche! They are Disney!

They are owned (and ruined) by Disney. Not exactly the same as created by Disney.

Not a Disney adult but recently swung by Disneyland Paris after a nice trip over there. I'm fascinated by the technology they use in their attractions, like the autonomous cars in the newer Ratatouille ride, or the drone show they put on now. My partner is a good sport and he's willing to go to a new park we've never been to every decade or so, although that will be a heavier lift in the future.

I'm a fan based on nostalgia from my childhood and the cartoons around that time. I went to Disneyworld when I was five years old. I really have no desire to go as an adult or wear any Disney clothes. If I was for some reason in Orlando or LA area and friends said "lets go to Disney [or nearby parks] for the day," I wouldn't be against it, but it's nothing I'd pursue on my own.

I went on a couple of dates with a guy who was obsessed with Disney and Barbie. He still lived at home in his 30s and probably still does in his 40s. He was a total loser.

If I had 3 days in Paris or Tokyo -- no, I would not spend (waste) one day in a foreign Disney park.

I’ll stick with Gardaland. Grazie.

I love everything Disney up until about the 1970s. I find Disneyland nostalgic, since I went there several times as a kid. I went about five years ago with my brother and his wife and two sons for five days and I have to say I really enjoyed it. The new park with all the roller coasters was fun. The only thing I didn't like was that all the stores had the same really crappy merchandise for sale. I kind of hoped to find some store with classic Disney memorabilia, but there wasn't one.

Hell no. Do I like a lot of their classic animated movies? Sure. Do I want to go to Disneyland or other such park? No way! I'm not 8.

How much would an average person spend per day - tickets, food, accommodations, etc, for a day at one of their parks? I know there is a huge range, but for those of you who frequent them, what's a good guesstimate of daily cost excluding travel cost?

The “Disney adult” industrial complex

The grown-up Disney superfan has become a much-mocked phenomenon online. But creating these consumers was always part of the corporation’s plan.

Before Sarah Rachul was a Disney adult, she was a Disney baby. “I don’t really ever remember a time when the Disney movies or characters weren’t a part of my life,” says the 29-year-old account director, who is based in Ohio. When Rachul was a toddler, her parents and grandparents began taking her to Disney theme parks; today, she holidays there regularly, usually with a pair of mouse ears atop her head. Sometimes, she subtly dresses up like Disney characters, which is known as “Disney Bounding” (full-character costumes are banned inside the parks, so guests aren’t confused with employees). She even hosts her own podcast about Disney, The Pixie Dust Project.

Rachul is a proud “Disney adult” – a nebulous and often pejorative term for a grown-up who is a fervent fan of the Walt Disney Company. In the popular imagination, a Disney adult is a childless, self-infantilised and overly excitable millennial; someone who lacks both self- and social awareness. People have said as much to Rachul. In 2022, 2.2 million people watched a video of her breaking down in tears upon meeting a Goofy mascot at a Disney park – many commenters told her to “grow up”, but others told her she was “pure”.

Whether Disney adults are embarrassing or enchanting is largely a matter of opinion. What is missing from endless comment sections is the fact that they are a creation of the Walt Disney Company – a character constructed just as carefully as Elsa or Donald Duck. Disney does not hide its desire to create lifelong consumers. In 2011, Disney representatives visited new mothers in 580 maternity wards across the US, gifting them bodysuits and asking them to sign up for DisneyBaby.com. In 2022, the company announced plans to build residential “Storyliving” communities across America, with special neighbourhoods for those aged 55 and up.

Rachul grew up in the 1990s, during the so-called “Disney Renaissance”, when Disney debuted a string of critically successful films and re-released its earlier classics on VHS. Merchandising reached new heights: 7,000 products were released to promote 1997’s Hercules alone. It was, Rachul says, “almost like you couldn’t avoid having [Disney] as part of your childhood”. She wept when she saw Goofy in the parks because the anthropomorphic dog was her late grandfather’s favourite character, and her grandfather was her best friend. For Rachul, hugging Goofy was like having “this little piece of my grandpa back”.

People complain about the high prices, but it's hell of a lot cheaper than going to Europe. It's also a lot more fun and less hassle.

I'm a big fan of a lot of the classic animated movies. And I've been to Disney World as an adult several times.

I doubt if I'll ever go back, but I wouldn't mind "Disney bounding" in honor of my all time favorite character if I did. That's as far as I'd take it though and I wouldn't go to any trouble to do so.

Disney Paris is around $100 for a dated one-day pass. That's to get into the park. Obviously, you have to pay extra for food, not sure what else you'd have to pay extra for.

Tokyo Disney is $100 to $150 for a day pass.

I know a frau whose husband is into Disney. They have 3 kids. When they travel, they will spend multiple days (e.g., 3 days) in one park.

I was in the Disney college program worked at the land pavilion, lived in vista way and had plenty of fun. Learned a lot if you know what I mean. Was absolutely the most fun I had up to that point of my life.

[quote]If I had 3 days in Paris or Tokyo -- no, I would not spend (waste) one day in a foreign Disney park.

If I had two weeks in one of those--particularly Tokyo--I absolutely would.

The Oriental Land Company, which is Tokyo Disney's actual owners, invests a crapton of money into their rides (and more importantly, maintenance). The Tokyo Disneyland Beauty and the Beast ride has astonishing technology, and Tokyo DisneySea--adapted from their plans for the Port Disney park that they tried to build in Long Beach in the 90s which was scaled back to California Adventure--may be the best Disney park of them all.

DisneySea's new Fantasy Springs section, which has things from Frozen, Rapunzel, and Peter Pan, and is opening in June, is jaw-dropping, especially when compared to how the Walt Disney Company has cheaped out on the US parks for decades.

No. But I used to wear a Mickey Mouse watch.

This is Enchanted Tale of Beauty and the Beast. Even if you don't want to sit through the entire video, skip to 11:05 where the Beast transforms back into a human. I can't figure out how they do it, and I don't even think I want to know, because I'd rather just be dazzled by it.

Wow. That is my favorite part in the movie too.

I grew up near Disneyland and went yearly. I still live fairly close and now go once every four or five years

It’s not the park I grew up with, but the again nothing still is

I do go in the off-season, because the crowds do make it unbearable

When is off-season, R37?

I'm fond of Donald Duck.

When it rains!

I grew up in Los Angeles & went to Disneyland a bunch of times as a kid. Loved it as a young kid, but I was completely over it by 11-12 years old. Thought it was kinda boring; preferred the rollercoasters & such at Magic Mountain. My last visit -- which was under duress/protest -- was 1978-79-ish, and they still had the ticket booklets ("E-ticket ride").

NBA-twins Brook & Robin Lopez (who grew up in Los Angeles) are unabashed Disney-fans. So much so that Brook LIVES (not a vacation home) in a Disney Resorts gated community, adjacent to Disneyworld.

Dafuq? LIVING there? Homie has some serious mental problems that he wants to get away from. Better that than drugs I suppose.

[quote]I like theme parks. Disney, Efteling, Europa Park, Parc Astérix, Parque Warner Bros.. Storytelling, beautiful theming that makes you forget about real life for a couple of hours...

You could have gone to Epcot and seen all of Europe.

R41 despite the Stanford pedigree, neither is the brightest bulb in the pack.

[quote7,000 products were released to promote 1997’s Hercules alone.

I worked on the "style guide" for Hercules at the Burbank Studios. At the time, they were giving away all of the Hunchback merchandise that didn't sell to the employees and temp workers.

[quote]Dafuq? LIVING there? Homie has some serious mental problems that he wants to get away from. Better that than drugs I suppose.

I mean, I'm not saying I could do it, but Golden Oak, the residential community that's on Disney property, has homes ranging from a few million dollars all the way to $20+ million.

Cotino and Asteria, the communities they're building in Rancho Mirage and the Research Triangle of NC respectively, will be similar.

They sell them because people will buy them.

I only like Kingdom hearts.

Going to a Disney theme park is more fun than going anywhere in Europe, r29? You must be the most boring person on earth.

I used to enjoy going to Disney World until it was Igerized, became woke, they started untheming everything and all this just so weather reader Iger and the grinning idiot D'Amaro could get bigger bonuses.

No I grew up in Orlando.

I was never hugely into Disney even as a kid. I always preferred Looney Tunes. I did watch all the classic Disney movies and they were enjoyable enough (although some were downright depressing!), but nothing that warranted obsession. I have never been to the parks...would I go if someone gave me a free ticket? Sure, but I would never pay those eye-watering prices to stand in queues all day with a bunch of bratty kids and trashy adults. If I did go to one, I would probably choose Tokyo, as it seems like it would offer the best experience.

Grew up an hour away from WDW. Annual passes for decades. Hundreds of visits from 1971-2012, then moved out of state.

[quote]When is off-season, [R37]?

For Disneyland, it’s right now, while the kids are still in school.

For Disney World, never

I have some Alice in wonderland socks and a sleep shirt. Also a cruella deville sleep shirt. I had a pack of assorted Disney villains socks but I’ve lost track of those. I’ve never been to any of the Disney parks. Too far and too expensive.

It's low end but harmless.

I'm not a real fan of Disney, although I like Donald Duck. Mickey annoys the shit out of me with his high-pitched voice.

I've been to Disney World twice for half days because I was in Orlando for work. Surprisingly, I preferred Magic Kingdom to EPCOT. I get a kick out of the racist, evil animatronic dolls of It's a Small World.

Weirdly, I like watching the Carousel of Progress ride on YouTube.

BERKING: Bob Iger has held off a right-wing assault on his job.

R43 what a fabulous idea. Let me book a flight across the pond to visit a theme park mimicking my real life environments.

I was a poor kid and didn’t get to Disney Land until I was an adult with my own money. I loved the experience. I would go to Disney Land again but I would not go to Disney World.

My favorite character is the original Donald Duck who is really unpleasant and funny. When they made him cute and family friendly even in his rages he lost all humor for me.

I very highly recommend the early cartoons The Band Concert and Mickey's Fire Brigade. Absolutely brilliant filmmaking and funny. Back when Donald Duck was one of Disney's best creations.

I hate that they got rid of the bride sale in Pirates with one of the Pirates yelling We wants the red head! Now the once brides to be are self empowered. Totally idiotic especially that they kept in the water drowning torture of that guy in the well. That's funny? And his wife keeps coming out of the window to yell in a bad hispanic accent in English. Wouldn't she be yelling in Spanish? The picking and choosing of what to be woke about is ridiculous.

I know two couples who are Disney Gays. One of them goes on about it though I've never expressed any interest. "We're staying at the Grand Adventure on the such-and-such side, and we've got Fast Passes though it's not as good as it used to be ... "

I smile politely and listen.

The one bit of info that was interesting was that post-Pee-wee John Paragon worked at Disneyland as a costumed character, and they hung out with him quite a bit.

I am ashamed but yes I am a Disney adult.

No, but I'm glad they voted to keep that asshole Peltz from taking control of the company. P&G says hello.

Almost every month a visitor is killed in the park from an accident. They get impaled, squashed or beheaded on the rides.

Really r65? How do you know?

They don’t, r66. R65 is lying

I just remembered that relatives travelled to America when I was a young kid and they brought home Disney dollars. Each of us kids received a $1 note. I remember feeling overjoyed that I'd have my own money to spend when my parents took my siblings and I to Disneyland. I remember crumpling the note up in tears when my mum finally snapped at me and said we weren't ever fucking going to Disneyland because we could barely afford to put food on the table. I associated that $1 note, with Mickey's stupid, grinning face with all my childhood disappointment and envy.

Am almost completely indifferent to Disney.

Disney adults on the other hand I find quite fascinating.

R41 I can understand the appeal of the Disney Resorts gated communities, mainly from the safety aspect. However that is something that other gated communities can offer too. I can see why someone might live in one if a home in a style they liked was available at a reasonable price and the location worked for them. Being a Disney fan would of course be an additional point in its favour for him

I worked on a commercial that had all sorts of different people. One was a young woman in her early twenties that literally spoke like a Disney princess with the hand affectations. She asked me who my favorite princess was, and that threw me for a loop- I answered, "Can I tell you my favorite villain?". She replied, "OH NO *wrings hands*, you can't....EVERYONE must have princess that they like!". I told her, "NOPE, just villains!", and she proceeded to stay away from me and sing Disney songs in her little world. So weird.

I adore Heihei!

In the nineties, we took our niece and nephews for a few days at Disney World, followed by four nights on the Disney cruise (The Big Red Boat).

I was skeptical about this trip, but have to say that the cruise was quite nice. The boat was immaculate, the food was quite good, the evening shows were great, and Disney did a good job providing dining rooms and decks/pools that were child-free. They also offer childcare and lots of activities for children.

There were two gay guys (a couple) who were on the trip without children. At the time I thought it strange that two adults without children would be on a Disney cruise, but they seemed to be having a great time.

I’m not someone who loves cruises, but I believe Disney provided a much more civilized atmosphere than one might find on a Carnival or Celebrity cruise.

I adored Anne HeHe!

In other news, Disneyland Paris is trying to make Walt Disney Studios Park suck a little less, by adding the same Frozen land that Hong Kong Disneyland just got, and renaming it Disney Adventure World.

I hate anything Disney! They think they smell like a fine French fragrance that everybody will love. I think they stink like shit!

#disneygays

I was a Disney adult until the intolerably stupid ABC weatherman Bob Iger and the frightening always grinning Josh D'Amaro ruined the entire company. Not even the Catholic Church during the Spanish Inquisition could devise a torture and death with enough agony to suffice for these evil men.

I wouldn’t say I’m a big fan of Disney movies and I am completely indifferent to Disney merchandise, but I love Walt Disney World. I went a few times as a kid to both WDL and WDW, but I’ve been to WDW over a dozen times as an adult.

As for it being less expensive than going to Europe, that depends. Disney is very expensive to do in a way that is going to be enjoyable. Anything more than 20 minutes in a line is too long. You’ve got to have a plan, stay in a Disney property, rope drop extra magic hours and buy the lightning lane passes.

If you do go, in addition to staying on property I’d recommend staying at a resort with at least one non-bus means of transportation.

I’d love to go to Disney Tokyo.

If nothing else, Universal Orlando's new theme park is going to eat WDW for breakfast. They've dropped previews of four of the five lands, with the details about the Dark Universe one coming out yesterday. Just the third Harry Potter land left at this point.

The non-Disney Orlando attractions have been competing for the share of tourist dollars that aren't earmarked for Disney, but UO is defiantly trying to go into direct competition, not just trying to monopolize what's left.

Is it as thematically immersive VOTN?

It's a cult dear. '

No, this Disney entertainments and disneyana didn't interest me as a child, and certainly not as an adult.

Not interest at all.

I once knew this woman who got really excited about which Disney movie would be restored and released on dvd. She would call Disney Entertainment regularly until she finally got an answer and then would send them cookies.

i always find it interesting how Mickey Mouse is the main man...as a cartoon personality i never got him, not as a kid. Bugs bunny, Daffy, Porky pig, Roadrunner even woody woodpecker I loved, but tge Disney shorts are just bizarre. Love the 90s films..and the classics...but only Mary Poppins does it for me as far as any of tgeir live action movies are concerned.

[quote]Is it as thematically immersive VOTN?

Very much so. They have the Super Nintendo World at Universal Studios Japan already, and a paired down version in Hollywood.

But the Dark Universe section, which is perhaps the best possible use for the Universal Classic Monsters just looks amazing.

They're also going to be adding on to their existing two parks, with rumors about Legend of Zelda going to Islands of Adventure and Pokemon replacing the Simpsons at Universal Studios Florida.

I don’t do any of those video games so I guess I just have a hard time relating.

R35, that scene is amazing! The whole ride looks nice actually. I went with some friends to WDW earlier this year and finally rode Rise of the Resistance and Runaway Railway, my first time on the "new" ride system. It's very cool and I can see the appeal. Couldn't get into Remy so maybe next trip.

No, I'm not.

I was a Disney fan as a child; it ended there.

The Simpson's ride was the worst experience of my life. Whoever the sick sack of shit the project manager was I hope he is damned to spend the rest of his life on Dumbo.

^^ Wrong theme park

I loved the classic animated movies when I was a kid back during the stone age. After Walt Disney died, it was never the same.

Why is Disney cropping up in the ether?

Years ago I dreamed I was at Disneyland and there was a bomb. I could feel the blast wave. It was so visceral. I'm glad it didn't happen.

I don’t understand the masochism of going to a theme park and waiting in a line for 200 minutes for a 15 minute ride, or paying $69.99 for a tiny action figure made in China.

Insane.

[quote] I don’t understand the masochism of going to a theme park and waiting in a line for 200 minutes for a 15 minute ride,

There are no 15 minutes rides at Disneyland. Even Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln is only 14 minutes. The dark rides and roller coasters are a minute or two at best

On the other hand, you do have an accurate estimation of the wait times

There are I believe some12 minute rides. But most are a couple of minutes and then there is Tron which I believe is like 58 seconds which you probably have to pay $20 to be assured you will get on it. That $130 dollars is now simply for the most partly an entrance fee.

Never really cared for Mickey Mouse cartoons, but I did like some of the Wonderful World of Disney movies on Sunday night television, and I like a few of the theatrical releases (Lon King, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast).

I went to Disneyworld once as a kid, but remember nothing about it. Went to Disneyland in jr. high and it was ok because I was with friends, but it wasn't something I ever wanted to do again. Went as an adult with my younger siblings while they visited and despised every minute of it- awful food, people pushing and shoving, ridiculous wait times.

When our special ed program was supposed to go but the bus broke down on the way there, I was overjoyed that they didn't send a replacement bus, and had a hard time hiding my relief from the kids.

never, seems too childish and basic

Did you know EPCOT used to be a serious (albeit corporate) attempt at displaying cultures from around the world and showing off the latest inventions?

For example, the Norway Pavillion used to serve reindeer stew and a pickled herring dish. These days it has a princess meet and greet buffet that serves mediocre mashed potatoes and chicken. Not only did they ruin the food, but shoving Disney characters into EPCOT used to be considered a no no.

And I'm sure people trying out and seeing inventions like a museum was a loser to them because you can't really sell anything extra to do with that. (Actually, they theoretically could, but STEM sets, games, electronics, etc. don't have the huge profit margins that cheap plastic crap and t-shirts at the gift shop for a ride do.)

I loved the Norway restaurant. It was a buffet of Norwegian foods. But I was one of the few so as above said it is now crawling with Princesses and I have not been since.

Not at all even as a kid I didn’t like Disney. It’s lame as hell. I remember in school we watched Aladdin once and I couldn’t believe how awful that shit was. I dated a man briefly who loved Disney films. He was an idiot

I've only been to Disney World and Disney Land once each. I had sufficient.

As a kid, I much preferred WB cartoons (Bugs, Daffy, Roadrunner, etc.) to the Disney cartoons, and still do until this day.

I was never a fan of Disney's short cartoons but Mickey's Fire Brigade is very wonderful and The Band Concert is a masterpiece of cinema and far beyond what WB ever produced. But on the whole WB is better in its consistency of quality.

As a Disney parks fan, I'm hoping we get some good announcements at D23 next month. They've already acknowledge big expansions to Disneyland (although the third gate probably not yet), and we know about Encanto and Indiana Jones going to Animal Kingdom, but I'm hoping for something concrete for the Magic Kingdom.

I’m a massive Disney Parks fan, but care little about the movies. Walt Disney World in particular is one of the few bubbles left in the world. You can go and truly escape life for a bit. If you know what you’re doing, you can find great food and drink. The rides are fantastic. It’s a great respite in a terrible world.

I would agree with you R104 pre covid. But I watch a number of vlogs and they say prices are out of control, cleanliness has deteriorated, rides constantly break down or made culturally sensitive which ruins the jokes, some of the best restaurants have closed, everywhere has been drenched in IP and people are complaining about the constant nickel and diming. I used to love staying on property and being in the bubble. Disney was an important part of my childhood. And Disneyworld was built by Roy Disney and the people who directly worked for Walt. It was expensive but you got bang for your buck. A couple of people who managed to maintain standards have been driven away like Tony Baxter and Joe Rohde a genius who Iger managed to insult because he is a horribly jealous person and there have been constant cutbacks in transportation and quality. Almost everybody agrees except for what are termed the pixie dusters and cupcakers for whom Disney can do no wrong. The complaints by people who once loved Disney but look at things critically have been endless. I saw things changing even pre-covid (dinner at Ohana and the elimination of the wonderful Animal Kingdom parade) but post it seems things are out of control. I can't imagine going back. It sounds like the magic has been irretrievably lost. And the money it would take for me to see for myself is now exorbitant.

I don't think the IP is in and of itself a bad thing. It's when that's ALL they do that I have a problem with. I have no real objection to them replacing Maelstrom with a Frozen ride, but all Frozen Ever After is that it was just Maelstrom with a fresh coat of paint. The version that's at Tokyo DisneySea has the same basic idea, but it has way more animatronics and effects. It's night and day different.

The one thing that I think was actually improved by it was Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout at DCA. Yes, it's just Tower of Terror hosed down with Marvel juice (and no, I don't want that in Florida), but they do it in a way that makes sense, and I might even like it a little better.

This is Anna and Elsa's Frozen Journey from Fantasy Springs at DisneySea.

This is Frozen Ever After at Epcot. It's night and day.

I don’t disagree, R105. The change make me sad.

It used to be 'my happy place' R108 and now I feel it is lost for good. I thought it would be there forever. I went alone, with family and with friends. Some gone. But the memories are very wonderful. Not to get too maudlin but like the Manhattan of my boyhood that I used to sneak into because my parents would have never allowed me to go there. How ironic is it that it is what is called the Disneyfication of Times Square that ruined it. They were two very different places for me. Both great.