San Francisco assessed to be the healthiest city in the US.

Any place where you're not carbound is going to be relatively healthy.

Get a load of this. These four indicators make up 10% of the total number of point.

Farmer's Markets per Capita**: Full Weight (~2.50 Points)

Gourmet Specialty-Food Stores per Capita**: Full Weight (~2.50 Points)

Healthy Restaurants per Capita**: Full Weight (~2.50 Points) Note: “Healthy Restaurants” refers to vegetarian, vegan and gluten-free establishments.

Dietitians & Nutritionists per Capita: Full Weight (~2.50 Points)

You could have a city that is the healthiest city on the planet, but if they don't have vegan restaurants, a farmer's market, a gourmet specialty-food store, or a nutritionist, they would be dinged 10 points out of a 100. Also, note that having a vegetarian, vegan, or gluten-free restaurant is given greater score than quality and cost of health care, number of hospital beds, or number of doctors. The survey is practically designed to give SF top ranking.

R2 I live in SF and we don’t have many vegan restaurants nor many vegan options. Lots of farmers markets and fresh fish. Oakland has way more options. NYC and Los Angeles have way more healthy vegan options in terms of big cities. I was surprised when I moved here. It’s all unhealthy fast food type vegan spots. But yes to the green parks and ocean and the ability to walk everywhere. It’s a wonderful city that gets a lot of backlash right now.

Riiiiight.

That’s wer the devil lives!

Did they only include housed people in this?

[quote] Get a load of this. These four indicators make up 10% of the total number of point.

[quote] They evaluated each city using 41 key indicators of good health, which were grouped into four main categories: Health Care, Food, Fitness, and Green Space. Researchers looked at everything from the cost of a doctor’s visit to how many people are eating their fruits and veggies to the number of physically active adults. The results? A fascinating snapshot of where in America the healthy life is most accessible.

Before I even read the article I assumed the criteria for measurement above and beyond actual citizen health would largely be stuff like those,. Easy access to abortion clinics, gun control laws, etc. That's how just how such comparison stories generally tend to be constructed.

eat some radishes

Yes it's street feces but it's organic

D9 It’s all for you, MAGAT!

R6 well, healthcare, food, and green spaces are all accessible to the unhoused in SF so, that’s why many of them move here. In flyover states they are set on fire or shipped here.

Jeanette can once again lift her voice in song!

Hopefully people living in SF will be more inclined to stay. I read that the population there has actually increased in the past year. Perhaps a sign that change is happening? What to the DL SF folks say.

San Francisco is also the number one city for car window replacements.

Where do you live R14?

Hammer sales are also very healthy in S.F.

One of the reasons S.F. is so healthy is because you can just take your time when you ransack the stores. Just bring a bag and take your time strolling thru the aisles and get your free stuff. The city has taken the hurry out of your shoplifting experience. FYI = this video is from yesterday.

According to your posting history you're a [bold]REAL[/bold] cunt R17/R16/R14 etc.

R18 I posted three examples of San Francisco crime (with photos). Who [bold]DIDN'T [/bold]think I was the same poster? How do smashed windows make ME the cunt?

It's your posting history R19. Gross.

[quote] According to your posting history you're a REAL cunt [R17]/[R16]/[R14] etc.

ie -- He posts some reality. Shocking.

I guess R21... if you're racist and transphobic and a self-loathing gay and just a general all-round cunt who 99% of people wouldn't tolerate in real life, then yes - "reality" - if that's what you want to call it.

Damn.!!! I didn't even get a chance to show off the night time muggings where they drive around. See some innocent guy on the street. Jump out of the car and grab the wallets and phones. Damn!! Damn!! Damn!!.. FYI = How is this racist? Oh yeah. It isn't.

Its a good thing the panel didnt include STDs and open air drug markets.

If you're going to visit Fishermans Wharf, don't forget your bulletproof vest.

Cry harder, Florida and Texas.

Cry harder.

[Quote] [R6] well, healthcare, food, and green spaces are all accessible to the unhoused in SF so, that’s why many of them move here. In flyover states they are set on fire or shipped here.

and in LA they start fires

Oak Lawn (Gayborhood) in Dallas is much safer and a lot cleaner than the Castro.. R26 you really don't want a gay comparison.

R27, poor babies.

Perhaps the disaffected can move to Florida! ;) They'd fit right in.

(^.^) or take a free ride on the NY subway

Penny killed Neely on 1 May after putting him in a deadly chokehold. Neely, who was homeless, had been shouting at passengers that he was hungry and thirsty, and that he did not care if he went to jail. In a clip that went viral on social media, Penny can be seen keeping Neely in a chokehold, while other passengers assist in restraining him.

E30, how must if feel for Florida and Texas are to be the white trash, B-movie alternatives to New York and California?

R30 ^^

and don't forget Chicago's famous Walking Man"

We didn't start the fire!

Enjoy abortion banned after 6 weeks, Florida.

How are those sky-high insurance rates working out for you, R34?

:) :) :)

Poor Floridian babies.

Don't let the hurricanes knock out your homes.

15 Cities That Have Become So Dirty It's Now A Public Health Problem

Houston, Newark NJ, San Bernardino CA, Detroit, Jersey City, Bakersfield CA, San Antonio Texas, Fresno, Oklahoma City, Yonkers NY. Shreveport Louisiana, Manhattan, Birmingham Alabama, Ontario CA, Los Angeles

R38, have fun, cunt! ;)

Try not to fall into a sinkhole.

Counties in Florida, Texas, and North Carolina saw the highest influxes of new residents.

R40, how thrilling to be you!

That sinking feeling

Poor babies. :( :( :(

What type of New York garbage decides that they want to live in Florida of all places? And why?

Weighty Issue

This gradual process could spell trouble for a city around which the sea level has been rising more than twice as fast as the global rate — and is projected to rise between 8 inches and 30 inches by 2050.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Glad I don't live in Fla, CA or NY R46

Where do you live, R48?

Earthquakes, wildfires, floods, mudslides, droughts . . .oh my!

What happened, chickenshit, R50? Too scared to answer?

R49:

(^.^)

R53, between you and I, we'll see who lasts longer here ;)

You picked the wrong enemy, R53.

R55 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♀️

Chunk of California’s scenic Highway 1 falls off cliff, forcing evacuations

awwwwwwwww :( Poor Florida.

^^^^^^^^

1. Bakersfield, California (annual PM2.5 of 17.6 μg/m3)

2. Visalia, California (annual PM2.5 of 16.6 μg/m3)

3. Fresno-Madera-Hanford, California (annual PM2.5 of 16.6 μg/m3)

4. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, California (annual PM2.5 of 14.5 μg/m3)

5. Los Angeles-Long Beach, California (annual PM2.5 of 14.2 μg/m3)

How is Casey DeSantis doing by the way?

California home insurance exodus pushes state’s last-resort backup plan toward insolvency

I love that this is now a Florida thread!

California has struggled for years with severe income inequality, high living costs and a lack of affordable housing, and the state now has more than 171,000 people who are homeless — 30 percent of the national total. The new study found that they tend to be older than average and are disproportionately likely to be Black or Native American.

Florida = Trailer Tash.

Brandonjoseph = Long Island trailer trash😂

Does Mental Health count OP

Mass Shootings and California leads

R68 Florida leads in mental health challenges.

This should've been you, R68.

The wealthy and educated are leaving

California is suffering a major demographic reversal, one that threatens both the state's economic future and the durability of its progressive model.

Florida court allows for near-abortion ban.

Poor babies are deciding whether to make weed legal. :(

Get ready for Florida's hurricane season

NICK PIPITONE Last Updated: Mar 19, 2024

New moveBuddha data shows precisely where Californians are most interested in moving to in 2023. We crunched the numbers from moveBuddha data collected from January 1, 2023 through June 8, 2023. This data includes searches nationwide by individuals who were either planning to move or hire a moving company throughout 2023. This data is much fresher than official Census data and gives hints of future moving patterns.

So where are Californians moving to in 2023?

Texas is the top destination for departing Californians, with 13.71% of California moving interest toward the Lone Star State. Florida is #2 with 7.49% of interest. This confirms other reports that Californians are flocking to The Sunshine State. The Golden State ranked dead last in moving interest in 2022 and currently ranks last in 2023, as well, according to moveBuddha data.

Typical life in Florida for gay men.

Keep it classy, Florida.

of the state's 58 counties, 36 saw violent crime rise in 2022

Florida sucks.

Remember R86, crime is not increasing. It's actually going down

The proliferation of cameras in stores and cellphones has produced a never-ending supply of crime video snippets

April 2, 2024

Have fun sucking DeSantis' obese dick, you fucking clown/R88. 🤡

California rates of violent crime, property crime increased

Good thing you don't live in Florida Pete Repete

The next hurricane will probably take you out, R98.

or in the big crapple

Another ridiculous survey done by nitwits.

New Yorkers love to hate

R101, poor Florida. Nobody in California ever thinks about them the way that you do.

Subways are for attacking

NY used to be a gay mecca

R105 you would know all about that

I love that we made this into a Florida thread. :)

Thanks, R106.

[quote] How rising sea levels will affect New York City, America's most populous city

New York Times headline: "Women, Children, and Mexicans hardest hit"

Only migrants and the homeless will be left

Surge in hate crimes

Flags aren't flying

EQUALITY FLORIDA says "don't visit Florida!"

Florida is dealing with measles!

New data from SmartAsset show more young wealthy Americans are moving to states like Florida and Texas, where there is no income tax.

States like New Jersey, North Carolina and Washington are also becoming popular among these workers.

In contrast, more professionals are moving out of the District of Columbia, Illinois and Massachusetts.

Here is R117.

Fear City

Easter Eggs

Poor former-Californian.

He moved to Florida. Now he wishes he could move back!

Too bad, so sad.

Call in the National Guard

R126, I want to thank you for making this thread about Florida!

Like I'm pretty sure you meant to troll California.

But this entire thread ended up being about Florida!

Thank you, again.

[quote] Florida is dealing with measles!

Hooray for open door borders to unvaccinated immigrants. Diversity is our strength

More than a half million Haitians live in Florida

In our nation's capital

R129:

🙋‍♀️💲🙋‍♂️💲

R131, lick your wounds and march away with your tail caught between your legs.🤡

California's loss is Texas' gain

How healthy is the economy OP?

R133, ewww, you would post Elon Musk's disgusting face.

A measles outbreak spreading in the US this year has already surpassed the total number of cases from 2023, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.

The CDC confirmed on March 21 that 64 measles cases have been reported in 17 states, including Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Washington.

Personal attacks are so 5th grade and indicate a lack of persuasive argument

Florida's antigay history.

Typical Florida.

the safest big city in America

Hats off to Florida for attracting an influx of people from other states (especially California and New York) who are ballooning the population density and raising the cost of living there. Great work!

The show must go on

R140, what does that have to do with San Francisco?

R141, LMAO. I'm SO glad that trashy Californians are moving to Florida and that they are raising prices and making life unlivable for the locals and creating sinkholes and "Don't Say Gay" problems.

Go, former Californians, go!!!! You can do it.

Escorting in SF

The new Detroit?

Texas is unsafe for gay people.

What type of white trash moves to Florida?

R141 The Most Expensive States to Live 2024

Hawaii

District of Columbia

Massachusetts

California

New York

Alaska

Maryland

Oregon

Washington

New Hampshire

Housing 2024

R150, poor baby!

Your thread didn't exactly go the way you thought it would! What happened?

You both win biggest idiot!

R152:

It can do no wrong!

Both of you need to fuck. Jesus.

It's healthy to shit on the streets. It's like having a free Squatty Potty.

R156, thank you.

That was exactly what I wanted.

While there may be some disagreements about other things, can we all just agree that San Francisco has become a shithole, brought about by terrible, lunatic policies? Surely, people can find common ground around that.

R159, I'm guessing by the response that you expected, it's a big, fat resounding NO!

R160, if people can’t all agree on San Francisco’s shithole status, then there’s no hope.

R161 too bad, so sad. I think we can all agree on Florida's shithole status, however.

I don’t understand why San Francisco is being compared to the entire state of Florida. SF takes up a relatively tiny (albeit, famous) region in California.

R163 Yep, barely 700,000 people in a state of almost 40 million.

Ha, I knew (I'm OP) that the survey would be catnip to the anti-CA MAGA shit-throwing monkeys. They couldn't resist.

I live in a city close to SF. Homeless problems here and in SF are substantially improved in the last year (though in SF it may be, in part, because they were forced out of the city several months ago for that international conference). The state's recently passed initiative will direct $1B more resources to the homeless issue. I do think drug addiction, mental illness and unemployment in a region of high housing costs is... a sad problem. The homeless folks I see are not happy, and in great psychic and physical distress. Our current economy, values, and compassion... has let so many people suffer.

I do think (having traveled all over the country) that Marin, Sonoma, SF, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Alameda, Contra Costa counties have people who are much healthier than most of Red America and the Blue Wall and New England states. I suspect (thought this survey has limited data points) this better health is statistically verifiable.

Also, as a vegan, I can confirm SF has much less to offer vegans than the counties and suburbs surrounding the city. It's curious.

Social media is just so exhausting, and increasingly unnecessary.

Oh sure, if San Franciscans can avoid getting Hep A from the human crap on the sidewalk or Hep ABC and god knows what else from the hyperdermics strewn throughout the city. Real healthy.

[quote] I do think (having traveled all over the country) that Marin, Sonoma, SF, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Alameda, Contra Costa counties have people who are much healthier than most of Red America and the Blue Wall and New England states.

Having lived in the Midwest, South and New England and also having spent time in SF, I totally agree. I spent a summer in SF in the late 90s, and every weekend, most of my co-workers did something active (in addition to working out during the week). They were hiking Mt. Tam, biking along the coast or in wine country, walking the many hills of SF. In the other regions, more people seemed to be barbecuing, driving somewhere, watching TV or at most mowing the lawn. I know it's anecdotal, but people around SF just seemed to be doing something active rather than sitting on their asses when they could.

R166 Carving out a small space of actual conversation about lifestyles before the shit-throwing monkeys return: the culture/mindset of CA is certainly attuned to the physical world we live in, the "outdoors".... it's partially just the weather, but it's also the beauty of the environment: coast, hills, mountains.

I'm reading "The High Sierra: A Love Story", by Kim Stanley Robinson. It records a certain truth I've experienced: A hike to certain places in the Sierra changes you forever. In a good way. Of course "resources" to get outside and do something is a real deal. Grateful for the life I've been given.

[quote]I know it's anecdotal, but people around SF just seemed to be doing something active rather than sitting on their asses when they could.

That people around SF who sit at a computer all day are possibly physically active outside of work and that people in other areas of the country who do hard work all day very much need to rest when they return home is not the revelation you think it is.

R169, I’m an office -based professional, as were the people with whom I worked in SF, the South, New England and the Midwest. The people did comparable jobs. People in the South aren’t all out picking cotton all day. People in Illinois aren’t all working in factories. Welcome to the 21st century.

R162 us/travel/news/13-reasons-why-americans-don-t-like-california-anymore

Newsom for President

R171 WRONG, you link says nothing about that. The Wealthy and Educated are in CA to stay, it's the poor white Republican trash that are leaving.

Keep recycling things from long ago, esp. when they easily happen elsewhere---look at all the red state shootings with multiple victims.

By who? Guns and Roses?!

Rich people can afford the best health care. That's capitalism!

[quote]You could have a city that is the healthiest city on the planet, but if they don't have vegan restaurants, a farmer's market, a gourmet specialty-food store, or a nutritionist, they would be dinged 10 points out of a 100.

^^^This right here. Vegan restaurants, farmers markets and gourmet specialty food stores don’t necessarily equal healthy eating.

R176 At his local Home Depot.

[R171] WRONG, you link says nothing about that. The Wealthy and Educated are in CA to stay, it's the poor white Republican trash that are leaving.

nor does it say anything about the solar eclipse R172 because that's not what it's about any more than it's about the wealthy leaving CA. You live in a state of confusion.

The Right-Wing obsession with CA is odd... it seems more than just simple tribal ritual and gets into the deep resentment of some "elite" that fuels the fascist populist resurgence around the world. But the spitting is funded by international crony capitalists (those that hold their nose and donate to Trump.)... thinktanks like the CATO institute (the dark cave of greed-is-good ideology). CA economy continues to thrive after COVID.... and projects to be the fourth largest in the world. CATO says, "hold on! not so fast!" and works data to prove Germany is still ahead of CA.

Silly greedmonsters....

[quote] The Right-Wing obsession with CA is odd.

There’s nothing odd about taking the never-ending bounty of outrageous things that the people and governments in California do and hand to conservatives on a silver platter. It would be odd if conservatives didn’t take advantage of it.

California has always lead the way of social and economic change in this country. From banning smoking to health and fitness and environmental awareness. From technology to business startups. Of course Repugs are obsessed. It's what they think their ideology should be producing but in reality they fail to achieve. It irks them to no end that a progressive, liberal state gets the results they thought was their territory.

Also a lot of them are just stupid idiots. If I had a dollar for every time I have been back east and someone said California is going to break off during an earthquake and slide in the ocean any day now I would be rich.

[quote]The Right-Wing obsession with CA is odd

Like a clingy ex-girlfriend, they just can't quit us.🥰💘😍😂

[quote] If I had a dollar for every time I have been back east and someone said California is going to break off during an earthquake and slide in the ocean any day now I would be rich.

That should be treated as just understandable wishful thinking by the rest of the country.

wishful thinking? = Jealousy.

I told you, this relationship is over, stop stalking me, your obsession is understandable since you will never find anyone as good as me, but it that was your choice. I am sorry all your woman look whores with fish lips and your Jesus looks like a fat orange hog raised on KFC but that's what you wanted. There is a new girl in town and she is called success. The 5th largest economy in the world.

R4, you think all the fatties in the red states are healthier than people in SF? 🤣 😂

R180 Eleven inches of snow today in the Ventana Wilderness. Surf up tomorrow. Super bloom in the desert. Time is limited, gratitude for the place where I get to spend these last chapters.

May all things find their level. May you find something blessed and unexpected.

Yep, CA going to have another Super Bloom of flowers. They don't happen every years so it's something to see.

[Quote] You could have a city that is the healthiest city on the planet, but if they don't have vegan restaurants, a farmer's market, a gourmet specialty-food store, or a nutritionist, they would be dinged 10 points out of a 100.

[Quote] too bad, so sad. I think we can all agree on Florida's shithole status, however

Not everyone would agree R162

🙋‍♀️The four states with the greatest net out-migration in 2022 were New York, California, Illinois and New Jersey

➖New York City alone has lost more than 400,000 people since 2020.

➖So many state residents left, that year’s census cost New York a seat in Congress while Florida gained one.➕

At 2.9%, our unemployment rate is the lowest among the 10 most populous states — so low, it meets economists’ definition of functional full employment.

Tourism is at a record high.

Crime is at a record low.

Our 9.3% gross-domestic-product growth in 2023 was the nation’s highest and twice New York’s.

[quote] The four states with the greatest net out-migration in 2022 were New York, California, Illinois and New Jersey

Biden's imported Mexicans will offset each state's loss of Americans, though not necessarily their tax payments

[quote]Biden's imported Mexicans.

MAGA/Q/Christianist trolling isn't what it used to be. I kind of miss it. The Putin/Russian expertise must be less involved.

The visuals of the border, the lack of efficient structure and sufficient resources, the catfishing duplicity of the right wing media machines, the real problem of migration trends around the world... have made it hard for us to assess immigration and move to solutions. If I remember there was unprecedented bipartisan legislation proposed with more structural and resource solutions than at any time in decades... and Mr. Trump called his Speaker of the House to kill it so that folks/pundits/trolls like R190 can talk about... ready for it... "Biden's Mexicans." Right.

Even right wing think tanks can look at real data and assess that immigration is an economic benefit to all people in US. This study is one of a gazzillion affirming that. I am amused at this finding:

[quote]

Sorry, from the above report:

[quote]For that same period, the children of immigrants had a more favorable net impact on government revenue than either first-generation immigrants or the rest of the native-born population, chiefly because higher education and income caused them to pay more in taxes than either first-generation immigrants or the native born.

R192 and now back to real vs the ideal

By last month, Denver, a city of 750,000, had received nearly 40,000 migrants, the most per capita of any city in the nation, even as the flow of migrants slowed in the deep chill of winter. And the city has begun to feel the same sort of strains that have confronted New York and Chicago as they contended with their own migrant influxes.

R191 too much of a good thing aparrently

Broken Border

There goes the neighborhood!

How illegal immigration affects the economy Part II

So much for gun control

Keep the hits coming.

fairus.org is quite literally a white nationalist website. Founded by one of the leaders of US white nationalism, John Tanton. So, I get it, nothing can convince you, can give you data, can appeal to your better self about the BS you put forth about immigration. Perhaps a ticket to Russia or Hungary? I'll go half on it...

We'll just trust that time will take us through these years, and won't crush our traditions, values, and institutions that have made this country, with all its flaws.... great.

R189 every major news outlet NBC, CBS, ABC, Newsweek, The NY Times . . .refers to the current state of immigration as a 'crisis' a word that was not use until recently.

R199 every major news outlet NBC, CBS, ABC, Newsweek, The NY Times . . .refers to the current state of immigration as a 'crisis' a word that was not used until recently.

City officials describe a humanitarian crisis, straining resources, filling up shelters and putting pressure on New York City schools.

R200 R201 It is a crisis.... the volume of refugees at the border, the freeze on resources for the border guards and the immigration courts, the completely broken immigration system: which is exactly why the two parties came together in an unprecedented bipartisan way to forge the most significant immigration legislation in decades... and Trump pulled the plug on it because he thinks the "bloodbath" will assist him. You can't deny this.

Yes I can R203

"Many migrants arrive legally via various government programs, but illegal immigration has risen an estimated 4 million under Biden's leadership"

Biden and his joke of a border czar have ignored this issue. Biden lifted the 'Remain in Mexico' policy which slowed down migration.

Blame Biden!

"The number of people crossing into the United States has reached record levels, more than double than in the Trump years. The asylum system is still all but broken."

R204 So, I'm guessing you're a flat earther?

Clinton tightening border security

'We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws'

Clinton acknowledged in his own 1995 State of the Union address as president that “All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.”

San Francisco residents eat too much Rice A Roni.

[quote] At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for the United States – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at least $150.7 billion

Big deal. It's not like it's coming out of our pockets.

[Quote] San Francisco residents eat too much Rice A Roni.

better that than La Choy

[Quote] Big deal. It's not like it's coming out of our pockets.

—Daddy Joe and little Hunter

or ours

California's Wealth and "Exit" Tax Squeezes Rich Americans Trying to Ditch the State

Enter Exit Tax

Mar 12, 2024 — 64 people died in February in San Francisco from accidental overdoses. The 64 additional deaths brings the 2024 total to 131 deaths so far

Healthy

Do the ones who die from accidental overdoses have to pay the exit tax?

Like a good neighbor . . .

Does California and their goofy policies really think they will win against Corporate America?

You want home insurance? Do something about your wildfires. Stop letting the tree huggers dictate and prune back forests like generations of common sense people did.

You want McDonald’s? Stop raising the minimum wage when the true problem is inflation.

^^ Like your Leader, you want us to sweep the forests. Right.

Check out insurance denial in the red hurricane states .... I am sure you troll people in those states.

you mean sweep the ashes R220

California’s firefighters have already put out more than 290 wildfires in 2024, but some are facing difficulties in insuring their home bases amid the state’s risky fire profile.