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The Friday Afternoon Club — New Memoir by Griffin Dunne

On the recent thread about the golden years of Vanity Fair, I noticed there were other Dominic Dunne fans among us. His son Griffin has a memoir coming out in June, and it looks interesting.

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by Anonymousreply 237July 11, 2024 9:26 AM

I bet this is good. I may check it out.

by Anonymousreply 1April 2, 2024 1:27 AM

I can't wait to read the Who's That Girl chapter Surely he will regale us with details of his exploits with Madonna.

by Anonymousreply 2April 2, 2024 1:43 AM

I’ll be reading this.

by Anonymousreply 3April 2, 2024 1:49 AM

Me, too.

by Anonymousreply 4April 2, 2024 2:19 AM

Is that Griffin on the far left in the photo?

I still remember seeing After Hours in my twenties. It turned into a cult favorite of mine. It had already been out for around 15 years, but it reinforced feelings I had about NYC late night. It’s been years since I’ve seen it, I’ll have to look for it.

by Anonymousreply 5April 2, 2024 7:53 AM

Oooh, this is way up my alley. I just ordered an advance readers copy. Was Dominick Dunne thought to be a closet case? He always pinged to me.

by Anonymousreply 6April 2, 2024 12:01 PM

R6 I think he very well may have been.

by Anonymousreply 7April 2, 2024 12:51 PM

Dominick Dunne seemed like a Presbyterian Truman Capote to me, scuttling around, sour, sucking up.

by Anonymousreply 8April 2, 2024 12:57 PM

R6 R7 Here's an excerpt from an article about the feud between Dunne and his brother John:

"In one letter of confession to John, written in November 1979, Dominick came out as a gay man. He wrote of going to a retreat called the Advocate Experience in San Francisco. It offered est-like therapy for gay men and lesbians, advising them to disclose their true sexual orientation to family and close friends. In that letter, Dominick told John about one telling episode from their youth. At their father’s wake in 1947, when his mother and five siblings were grieving, Dominick left the family to have sex with a college student named Andreas Devendorf in the family’s big black Buick parked near the ninth hole of the local golf course. Dominick also mentioned Didion’s novel "Play It as It Lays" in the letter to John. He doubted that Joan would be surprised at his “I’m gay news” since she had based the BZ character on him, Dominick believed."

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by Anonymousreply 9April 2, 2024 5:25 PM

[quote]Was Dominick Dunne thought to be a closet case? He always pinged to me.

Honey, even Helen Keller knew he was gay.

by Anonymousreply 10April 2, 2024 5:35 PM

I had a huge crush on him in the Madonna movie, and I enjoyed his portrayal of a therapist in 'Succession'.

by Anonymousreply 11April 2, 2024 5:44 PM

R5 I had seen After Hours in a movie theater when it was first released in 1985. I recall it being a bizarre, quirky and memorable black comedy based in New York. It did actually capture the spirit of the downtown lifestyle of that time. I didn't get to see it again until just a few months ago when I got a copy of it on DVD. It was just as good as I remembered it.

by Anonymousreply 12April 2, 2024 5:53 PM

Losing Dominick was an awful blow to Vanity Fair. I believe that I let the subscription go after his death. I really miss(ed) him.

by Anonymousreply 13April 2, 2024 6:07 PM

So, a double tragedy for Vanity Fair

by Anonymousreply 14April 2, 2024 6:18 PM

He's had such an interesting life. For those of you who don't know:

His father Dominick was a closeted gay man who was an important Hollywood producer. he was a relentless social climber who used to appal almost everyone with his obsession with the rich and famous, and was close friends with Elizabeth Montgomery and Elizabeth taylor. After he had to leave Hollywood to handle his multiple addictions, he reinvented himself as a gossipy novelist.

His mother Ellen ("Peach") was the daughter of a wealthy industrialist, and stayed with Dominick long enough to bear him several children until she couldn't take his closetedness and his addictions and longer. She developed multiple sclerosis in the 1980s.

His sister Dominique was a rising starlet until she was strangled to death by a boyfriend soon after making "Poltergeist." Because the murderer got off with a charge only of voluntary manslaughter, their mother because an activist to protest the criminal justice system and their father began to obsess in his journalisma nd his fiction about privileged people getting away with murder.

His father's brother was the screenwriter John Gregory Dunne, married to the screenwriter- journalist- novelist Joan Didion. Their families were very close.

He himself is an actor and writer and producer, best known for starring in Martin Scorsese's "After Hours" and the awful Madonna screwball comedy "Who's That girl?"

by Anonymousreply 15April 2, 2024 6:29 PM

Joan Didion was relaxing in his parents' pool when she first heard about the Manson murders:

[quote]On August 9, 1969, I was sitting in the shallow end of my sister-in-law’s swimming pool in Beverly Hills when she received a telephone call from a friend who had just heard about the murders at Sharon Tate Polanski’s house on Cielo Drive.

by Anonymousreply 16April 2, 2024 7:12 PM

I'm the only one who never needs to hear or read another word about the Dunnes and their "Happy Few" life?

by Anonymousreply 17April 2, 2024 7:17 PM

I remember him as the cute teacher in My Girl. I would’ve had a crush on him, too.

by Anonymousreply 18April 2, 2024 7:19 PM

This should be a great read. He was a highlight of "Bright Lights" reminiscing with Carrie Fisher in her London bed. He supposedly took Carrie's virginity at Carrie (and Debbie's) behest. Like his Dad he always pinged to high heaven to me and sharing a wife with Richard Gere is not the way to dissuade me.

by Anonymousreply 19April 2, 2024 7:33 PM

Thanks, R15, for all the information we knew already.

by Anonymousreply 20April 4, 2024 1:16 AM

Thanks R15 because I did not know all of that.

by Anonymousreply 21April 4, 2024 6:43 AM

I’m 50 pages in and Griffin is open about his dad’s secret homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 22April 4, 2024 12:12 PM

Five kids. His wife must hold the record for enduring the worst sex for the longest stretch.

by Anonymousreply 23April 4, 2024 12:31 PM

Why do you suppose Irish Catholics are all such social climbers?

by Anonymousreply 24April 4, 2024 12:43 PM

I'm so tired of hearing about this self-important family.

by Anonymousreply 25April 4, 2024 12:53 PM

Wednesday Afternoon Fine Arts League

by Anonymousreply 26April 4, 2024 12:54 PM

Pre ordered. Thanks OP!

by Anonymousreply 27April 4, 2024 1:00 PM

R25, you sound as if you're bombarded on a daily basis about them. You're not.

by Anonymousreply 28April 4, 2024 1:20 PM

R28 Does attempting to invalidate other people's personal reactions make you feel like a big, strong man?

by Anonymousreply 29April 4, 2024 1:40 PM

R25, it was kind of a silly observation. When was the last time you heard anything about the Dunne family, unrelated to this memoir? Come on. You got caught and called out. Big deal.

by Anonymousreply 30April 4, 2024 1:43 PM

No love for Griffin's performance as David Naughton's zombie buddy in An American Werewolf in London? He was funny and cute as hell in that... at least until necrosis set in.

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by Anonymousreply 31April 4, 2024 1:45 PM

R22, How could you be 50 pages in when the book is not available until June?

by Anonymousreply 32April 4, 2024 1:51 PM

R30 Again. You know nothing about me or "the last time I heard" anything. Don't tell me what you feel I should think about anything.

by Anonymousreply 33April 4, 2024 1:53 PM

Dominick Dunne was some kind of lowly assistant on the TV show, Robert Montgomery Presents. He built that into a career by obsequiously kissing up to anyone he could.

by Anonymousreply 34April 4, 2024 1:58 PM

[quote] Why do you suppose Irish Catholics are all such social climbers?

"Lace Curtain Irish Catholics" which is slightly and subtly bitchier...

by Anonymousreply 35April 4, 2024 2:36 PM

Stop whining, R33.

by Anonymousreply 36April 4, 2024 2:42 PM

Irish Catholics are social climbers because there's no where to go but up for them.

by Anonymousreply 37April 4, 2024 3:41 PM

Can't wait. This is gonna be good!

by Anonymousreply 38April 4, 2024 3:57 PM

R32- I work in media and got an advanced reader copy.

by Anonymousreply 39April 4, 2024 3:58 PM

R37 is partying like it’s 1959.

by Anonymousreply 40April 4, 2024 4:00 PM

R33, I know you're kind of a neurotic asshole so I'm tellin' ya: shut the fuck up with the stupid, gurlina.

by Anonymousreply 41April 4, 2024 4:33 PM

We have Dominick Dunne to thank as one of the producers of THE BOYS IN THE BAND film in 1970. 1970!!! He slept with Frederick Combs (Donald) and also had a big crush on Gardner McKay, the handsome star of the TV series RIVERBOAT.

by Anonymousreply 42April 4, 2024 5:05 PM

Dominick Dunne also gifted us with this.

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by Anonymousreply 43April 4, 2024 5:14 PM

Try Adventures in Paradise, r42.

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by Anonymousreply 44April 4, 2024 5:14 PM

[quote]Honey, even Helen Keller knew he was gay.

Wikipedia doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 45April 4, 2024 6:00 PM
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by Anonymousreply 47April 4, 2024 6:07 PM
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by Anonymousreply 49April 4, 2024 6:10 PM

And elebenty-zillion magazine articles.

by Anonymousreply 50April 4, 2024 6:11 PM

The Talented Mr. Lonergan...

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by Anonymousreply 51April 4, 2024 6:14 PM

The only Dunne who really grabbed me intellectually and artistically was the by marriage one, Joan Didion. I was obsessed with her in my teens in the 70s and 80s but then it faded, eventually. If someone made a good bio-pic of a passage in her life, I'd be interested.

by Anonymousreply 52April 4, 2024 6:15 PM

Griffin was openly critical of his social-climbing daddy. Does anyone remember the stories from Ash Wednesday? It was a drunken car crash. Liz told him he'd never produce another movie. (She was right and partially the cause of it.) But what put the final nail in the coffin was Dunne's joke about the rotund Sue Mengers, Hollywood Superagent. Dunne claimed to know Mengers' writer boyfriend "Jean-Claude Tramont when he was known as Jack Schwartz back in the 50s when "Schwartz" was a page at NBC and Dunne was stage manager for the Robert Montgomery Show. He claimed the only reason he got the writing job was because of her (probably true). Sitting around with the cast one night, a drunk Dunne put down Tramont by saying if they ever wrote a book about Ash Wednesday it should be called "When a Fat Girl Falls in Love." When the quote appeared in a trade, the studio blacklisted him.

by Anonymousreply 53April 4, 2024 6:35 PM

Dominick was sort of handsome back then. I can't wait to read this.

by Anonymousreply 54April 4, 2024 6:40 PM

Thanks, R9, for the longish linked article. I knew something of each of the key players, and a very little about the bad blood, but what a complicated, ugly mess. Ugliness to the extent that I was somehow relieved for the semi-happy ending of the relationship between John and Dominick by chance in a hospital waiting room.

by Anonymousreply 55April 4, 2024 6:47 PM

The Dunnes are so creepy and full of themselves.

by Anonymousreply 56April 4, 2024 7:02 PM

You know them, R56? Are you that idiot R25?

by Anonymousreply 57April 4, 2024 7:05 PM

Dominick Dunne wanted desperately to become the next Truman Capote, but didn't have the talent or the charisma.

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by Anonymousreply 59April 4, 2024 7:15 PM

Oops, sorry R44 - I knew it was something watery....married to a woman, two kids. He was great looking -

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by Anonymousreply 60April 4, 2024 7:20 PM

Rave reviews from noted literary critics Anderson Cooper and David Duchovny!

by Anonymousreply 61April 4, 2024 8:05 PM

^ LOL.

by Anonymousreply 62April 4, 2024 8:37 PM

He also played Uncle Nicky in THIS IS US

by Anonymousreply 63April 4, 2024 8:46 PM

I'll never forget when Dominick Dunne and Gore Vidal got in a bitchy cat fight in the letters section of Vanity Fair. I have forgotten what it was about, but I remember Gore sneering that Dunne had mentioned the complete works of Anne Bronte "as if there were such a thing!".

by Anonymousreply 64April 8, 2024 6:09 PM

I finished my advance copy over the weekend. It’s really compelling. One thing I found interesting was that filming Who’s The Girl with Madonna warranted a single sentence. He didn’t share a single anecdote about what it was like to work with Madonna at the zenith of her popularity. Not a single anecdote.

by Anonymousreply 65April 8, 2024 6:46 PM

I read No Crying in Baseball recently, about the making of A League of Their Own, and Madonna doesn't come off all that well in terms of being easy to work with. I bet Griffin could expand on that theme if only he had chosen to.

by Anonymousreply 66April 8, 2024 7:04 PM

Dominick claimed he inspired Capote's party of the century at the Plaza. The film of My Fair Lady had just come out and he and his wife decided to have a black and white party. This is what inspired Capote's party Dunne claimed. And he wasn't even invited. All of the creators of the original production of the musical claimed they came up with the idea of the black and white sequence.

by Anonymousreply 67April 8, 2024 7:12 PM

Dunne claimed he destroyed the judge who decided the lenient sentence of his daughter's killer but he doesn't say how. Dunne and his wife never recovered from her murder.

There was a discussion of the murderer on DL and I believe he works as a cook in a nursing home on the west coast if he hasn't retired yet. Somebody called them once and said do you know who this person is? Whoever answered said yes and hung up the phone.

by Anonymousreply 68April 8, 2024 7:18 PM

The judge in his daughter's murder trial decided the record of the killer's stalking, threats and violence past was not admissible to the trial. The jury said afterwards that if that were admitted into evidence they would have convicted him of second degree murder.

by Anonymousreply 69April 8, 2024 7:29 PM

The judge in the case was the execrable Burton Katz. After the trial he wrote a book which nobody read, and later transferred to juvenile court in LA. He used to pop up from time to time on Geraldo's coverage of the OJ trial. He was a slime bag.

The Dunnes were inspired by Cecil Beaton's Ascot scene in MFL, and used it for their b&w party in 1964. Capote attended, but failed to invite the Dunnes to his 1966 chicken hash soiree.

by Anonymousreply 70April 8, 2024 8:31 PM

Anyone I've know who's dealt directly with Madonna has nothing good to say about her, even if they engage with her as a fan.

by Anonymousreply 71April 9, 2024 5:22 AM

[quote]Rave reviews from noted literary critics Anderson Cooper and David Duchovny!

Well, Duchovny has an advanced degree in English from Yale.

by Anonymousreply 72April 9, 2024 1:10 PM

R72 . . .

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by Anonymousreply 73April 9, 2024 1:13 PM

Never realized Griffin Dunn was Dominic's son. Crazy considering know I see they have nearly the same exact face.

by Anonymousreply 74April 9, 2024 1:30 PM

And I'm sure that's why he was asked for a blurb, R72.

by Anonymousreply 75April 9, 2024 2:11 PM

Advance blurbs of celebrity memoirs by other celebs are quite common. When the book is released, it will of course by reviewed by all the usual newspapers, magazines, and media outlets.

by Anonymousreply 76April 9, 2024 2:15 PM

R76, the usual book reviewers from magazines and newspapers already have their copies.

by Anonymousreply 77April 9, 2024 3:10 PM

Advance blurbs are common, R77. Reviewers for magazines, etc., would not be providing blurbs or quotes from their reviews before publication.

by Anonymousreply 78April 9, 2024 4:24 PM

Griffin Dunne reflecting on OJ's death earlier today:

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by Anonymousreply 79April 11, 2024 11:45 PM

I "dealt directly" with Madonna visiting our mutual dying friend in hospitals in New York in 1988-89. She was normal and warm.

by Anonymousreply 80April 12, 2024 12:32 AM

Goddamn, Griffin Dunne still looks good. In American Werewolf and Who's That Girl he was sex on a stick.

by Anonymousreply 81April 12, 2024 12:34 AM

In American Werewolf in London David Naughton was the sexy one.

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by Anonymousreply 82April 12, 2024 1:34 AM

They both were, but I agree, R82. Naughton was the fuck piece in that.

by Anonymousreply 83April 12, 2024 2:17 AM

It's amazing how a celebrity can get stuck in your head for one role alone even if they have somewhat of an illustrious career afterwards. Griffen Dunne will always be the cute from the terrible Madonna movie Who's That Girl that I saw several times on HBO over one summer in 1988. There was also a hot UPS guy who deliver's the line "How's it hanging?" to Griffen. It was the first time I ever heard that expression and it took me a while to figure it out. Once I learned it referred to dick, and the sexy guy was uttering it, I was hooked. That is probably why the movie is burned in my brain.

by Anonymousreply 84May 25, 2024 3:02 PM

Perusing something more au courant.

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by Anonymousreply 85May 25, 2024 3:17 PM

[quote] who deliver's the line "How's it hanging?" to Griffen

Double oh dear, R84.

by Anonymousreply 86May 25, 2024 3:17 PM

Being a 3rd grade substitute English teacher was the highlight of your life? Oh Dear R86

by Anonymousreply 87May 25, 2024 3:27 PM

Dominick Dunne came into my store in the late 1990s, as he spoke at one of the events at Brown University graduation that weekend (he may have gotten an honorary degree, too - I can't recall). He came into my store three days in a row, and each day had a different young hunky muscle guy accompanying him (we had a few gay stripper bars in the area back then). He spent quite a bit of money (especially on the young hunk he was with) each day. On the third day, I quietly told him I was a fan of his work and had read all his books. Of course, he was rather unimpressed and just rolled his eyes. He then said to me, 'You should spend less time reading books and spending more time with guys like this one...' and grabbed his sexy boy toy by the waist and pulled him in closer. The boy toy just smiled and winked at me. I said to Dunne, "I think you're right. I'll take your advice into consideration." With that, he grabbed his bags and left with his boy toy.

by Anonymousreply 88May 25, 2024 4:02 PM

r88, he sounds insufferable.

by Anonymousreply 89May 25, 2024 4:22 PM

R89 He was, I lost much interest in him or his works after that encounter. I heard he was a real 'diva' in the other stores and restaurants in my area - no one had anything nice to say about him (and word spreads in my little retail neighborhood).

The only good thing which came out of it was the hunky escort returned to my store often after that day, A beautiful guy from head to toe.

by Anonymousreply 90May 25, 2024 4:31 PM

Was DD a drinker?

by Anonymousreply 91May 25, 2024 4:36 PM

[quote] I bet this is good. I may check it out.

It’s that kind of dedication that keeps the literary world alive, secure and thriving! Keep up the good work, Avid Reader R1

by Anonymousreply 92May 25, 2024 4:52 PM

R87, stupid mistakes like that are not the fault of the person pointing them out.

by Anonymousreply 93May 26, 2024 1:48 PM

R86 I see a triple oh, dear.

That entire paragraph is a mess.

by Anonymousreply 94May 26, 2024 1:52 PM

R86 can't even get the spelling of "Griffin" right, and she has the nerve to give attitude?

by Anonymousreply 95May 26, 2024 1:53 PM

R95, it wasn't me who responded. No attitude given. Although I really don't give two shits about people who's jollies come from "oh dearing" others. It's a personality type that no one appreciates. It's indicates someone who lacks for friends and probably forces themselves on others. The one saving grace of Datalounge for them is that they can socialize without being seen. What did we used to call them? Hissing Queens?

by Anonymousreply 96May 26, 2024 7:05 PM

R90, Are you implying that you became intimate with the boy toy?

by Anonymousreply 97May 26, 2024 7:42 PM

[quote] Although I really don't give two shits about people who's jollies come from "oh dearing" others.

Oh dear, R96.

by Anonymousreply 98May 29, 2024 1:40 PM

The fun aspect of enduring all these self-appointed copy editors is knowing their imprisoned in within their own shitty personalities.

by Anonymousreply 99May 29, 2024 3:35 PM

[quote] The judge in his daughter's murder trial decided the record of the killer's stalking, threats and violence past was not admissible to the trial.

California judiciary's penchant for valuing criminals over justice is not new

by Anonymousreply 100May 29, 2024 4:00 PM

I was a fan of Dominick. I enjoyed his writing. Not all of it, but the articles for Vanity Fair and the Grenville book.

I remember seeing him on TV just casually saying that he believed Gary Condit was responsible for the disappearance of that intern Chandra Levy. He talked about Gary being part of a motorcycle gang (Condit had a bike and liked to ride with fellow bikers) and that investigators needed to look into that. I believe he wrote an article for Vanity Fair about it all too.

People engaging in conspiracy theories wasn’t as common back then as it is now so I was less inclined to dismiss it out right. But I remember thinking that it seemed quite far-fetched. Condit sued Dunne later and won.

Looking back I’m amazed Dunne was so comfortable outright accusing another public figure of murder. He later wrote an article about being sued too. He expressed surprise at finding out so many people were angry at him. That seems to have been a recurring theme in his life. Not being aware of pissing people off.

by Anonymousreply 101June 7, 2024 10:57 AM

My friend Jere was in A Season in Purgatory and Mr Dunne was all over him.

It was not mutual.

Mr. Sondheims' advances came later.

by Anonymousreply 102June 7, 2024 11:38 AM

R88- Can we now conclude that Griffin Dunne was a Connoisseur of COCK 🍆?

by Anonymousreply 103June 7, 2024 11:56 AM

[quote] I remember seeing him on TV just casually saying that he believed Gary Condit was responsible for the disappearance of that intern Chandra Levy

A not unreasonable guess considering Condit's behavior. Eventually a criminal illegal alien was convicted on circumstantial evidence and a perjuring jailhouse informant. He was about to obtain a new trial when the Department of Justice instead deported him back to El Salvador.

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by Anonymousreply 104June 7, 2024 12:03 PM

Dominick Dunne exuded nastiness to me... I can't quite put it into words but he had a nasty aura to him. I agree, I liked his writing often, but whenever I saw him he came across as nasty and a little unhinged. I know he had the great trauma of his child's murder and some people couldn't come to terms with something like that... I guess that's what I was picking up on... he seemed a permanently angry, restless spirit. Anyway, never liked him.

by Anonymousreply 105June 7, 2024 12:07 PM

I would imagine going through what he went through with his daughter's death and that joke of a "trial" would embitter anyone. Not to mention having to spend most of his adult life closeted. Gee, all that might make someone a little edgy in behavior.

by Anonymousreply 106June 7, 2024 12:14 PM

Domenic was a traipsing queen.

by Anonymousreply 107June 7, 2024 12:30 PM

R106, agreed, but he never seemed to find any kind of reconciliation or grace. High ick factor.

by Anonymousreply 108June 7, 2024 1:32 PM

Not interested in turning this into a discussion on Gary Condit/Chandra Levy. I just wanted to point out that I remember that the media was obsessed with that crime.

9/11 happened and the story COMPLETELY disappeared from the headlines.

by Anonymousreply 109June 7, 2024 1:37 PM

What a ridiculous attitude to take, R108. By all means, critique the victim's father for not being generous and forgiving toward the man who viciously murdered Dunne's daughter. Get your head out of your ass.

by Anonymousreply 110June 7, 2024 5:02 PM

[quote] Domenic

Oh dear, R107.

by Anonymousreply 111June 7, 2024 5:03 PM

That horrendous DM has an article with a misleading headline, suggesting that Griffin Dunne blames 'humorless' Madonna for the failure of WHG, and ultimately, his failed movie career. But if you read the article, he calls the movie itself 'humorless.'

by Anonymousreply 112June 7, 2024 5:16 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 113June 7, 2024 5:17 PM

[quote] 9/11 happened and the story COMPLETELY disappeared from the headlines.

Condit was the very last story on Today immediately before the first plane hit the WTC

I've always pictured Condit cheering in relief

by Anonymousreply 114June 7, 2024 5:35 PM

A transvestite prostitute being arrested in Eddie Murphy’s car was big news for a few days until Frank Gifford was lured into a hotel room by a stewardess working with Globe Magazine and everyone forgot about Eddie.

Timing is everything.

by Anonymousreply 115June 7, 2024 5:42 PM

Gifford's stewardess had better illustrations than Murphy's tranny

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by Anonymousreply 116June 7, 2024 5:50 PM

[quote]Timing is everything.

You're telling me!

by Anonymousreply 117June 7, 2024 6:52 PM

[quote] The Dunnes are so creepy and full of themselves.

This. These people are insufferable and not people you’d want to spend time with. Like his father, Griffin is desperate for attention. He must need money really bad. To sell out your father and continue your family’s legacy of milking your sister’s death for publicity is unseemly. His father’s behavior during the OJ trial is legendary.

by Anonymousreply 118June 7, 2024 8:27 PM

[quote] A transvestite prostitute being arrested in Eddie Murphy’s car was big news for a few days until Frank Gifford was lured into a hotel room by a stewardess working with Globe Magazine and everyone forgot about Eddie.

No one forgot and even SNL made fun of it with Eddie picking up tranny hookers in a sketch. Murphy boycotted the show after that.

by Anonymousreply 119June 7, 2024 8:28 PM

Apparently not, R119.

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by Anonymousreply 120June 7, 2024 9:23 PM

I preferred the Wednesday afternoon. Fine arts league

by Anonymousreply 121June 7, 2024 9:29 PM

[quote] even SNL made fun of it with Eddie picking up tranny hookers in a sketch

Yet still whitewash Alec Baldwin

by Anonymousreply 122June 7, 2024 10:07 PM

[quote] To sell out your father

How did he sell out his father? You type stupid, R118.

by Anonymousreply 123June 8, 2024 4:33 AM

R118, is this you on the other Dunne thread? "This family sure do love milking this poor girl’s name. Jesus."

You're a broken fucking record, Mary.

by Anonymousreply 124June 8, 2024 4:50 AM

But the broken record isn't wrong. Griffin himself admits he was really uncomfortable with his dad basically turning Dominique's murder into a cottage industry.

by Anonymousreply 125June 8, 2024 5:55 AM

You've read the book, R125? At any rate, the accusation is also being leveled at Griffin Dune--so are you saying he was uncomfortable but did the same?

His father didn't do that, anyway. He did what any grieving father would do who was also a writer--he wrote about it and advocated on behalf of other victims. Only a fool like you would turn that into "milking it" and turning it into a "cottage industry."

by Anonymousreply 126June 8, 2024 1:15 PM

I don’t want to derail the thread either but I have no recollection of Condit’s behavior during the whole intern scandal. So now I’m curious as to what he did that was suspicious.

by Anonymousreply 127June 8, 2024 4:23 PM

I always enjoyed the reading books and articles by Dominic Dunne. I will read his son's book, too. They lived unique and interesting lives marked by tragedy in a milieu that not everyone dwells. I find it fascinating and entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 128June 8, 2024 4:41 PM

R127, He had been fucking her.

by Anonymousreply 129June 8, 2024 4:41 PM

IIRC, Levy was in love with Condit and pressuring him to divorce his wife in Modesto which he had no intention of doing. They led essentially separate lives and kept her as the convenient political wife while he whored around D.C. I'm not sure if the wife was aware he was a player. She never left Modesto. Very sketchy, on this part, but I think he removed Chandra's personal items from his apartment.

by Anonymousreply 130June 8, 2024 4:58 PM

I recall Larry King having Condit’s son on to defend his father and the son kept referring to his father as “Gary”.

by Anonymousreply 131June 8, 2024 5:02 PM

He was a grumpy, nasty, petty, suck up Tolkein creature. Small wonder he's got defenders here.

by Anonymousreply 132June 8, 2024 5:09 PM

Who are you banging on about, R132?

by Anonymousreply 133June 8, 2024 5:17 PM

Who's that Girl might have been watchable had Madonna not attempted to do that ridiculous accent and broadly overact. I guess she was trying to portray a character but it failed miserably.

But it was a role that she could have aced a la Desperately Seeking Susan. It wasn't much of a stretch.

by Anonymousreply 134June 8, 2024 5:18 PM

R132 is a MAGA who can no longer defend trump so he's going after interesting intellectuals.

by Anonymousreply 135June 8, 2024 5:33 PM

An interesting intellectual R132 never knew, it should be said. R132 is just another fool ranting about a total stranger and including other strangers in the mix. Sounds like a MAGAt to me. You might be right, R135.

by Anonymousreply 136June 8, 2024 5:39 PM

R134, Madonna seemed like she was trying to do Cyndi Lauper in “Who’s That Girl.”

by Anonymousreply 137June 8, 2024 5:48 PM

"Who's That Girl (no question mark)" was supposed to be a screwball comedy, harkening back to the classic screwballs like "Bringing Up Baby" and "My Man Godrey," and Madonna's character was supposed to be a dizzy dame like Hepburn's and Lombard's in those films, possessing a gangster's moll Brooklynese accent like Billie Dawn and Betty Boop, but the whole project was a complete misfire.

by Anonymousreply 138June 8, 2024 6:22 PM

Love Griffin Dunne. Loved "Practical Magic". Loved His Dad's tv show and books. Don't care about Madge. I preordered.

by Anonymousreply 139June 8, 2024 6:46 PM

I read the snippet in Vanity Fair. Griffin is a good writer. I will probably buy this one.

by Anonymousreply 140June 8, 2024 6:53 PM

I read the snippet in Vanity Fair. Griffin is a good writer. I will probably buy this one.

by Anonymousreply 141June 8, 2024 6:54 PM

r141 Two copies?

by Anonymousreply 142June 8, 2024 7:12 PM

LOL It's the weirdest thing R142. Now I know how this happens. I posted the first one but it said I was in a completely different thread. So I oops'd and posted it (again obv.) in this one.

by Anonymousreply 143June 8, 2024 7:55 PM

Are you high, dear, R143? If so--join the club!

by Anonymousreply 144June 8, 2024 8:02 PM

[quote] but it said I was in a completely different thread.

Wait, R143--who's "it"? I never get notifications on DL.

by Anonymousreply 145June 8, 2024 8:28 PM

R135, I'd stick to your clerking job, you're no detective.

One of the things I love about DL is the unexpected attachments the misfits form.

by Anonymousreply 146June 8, 2024 10:19 PM

R145 It’s only a premium subscription feature

by Anonymousreply 147June 8, 2024 10:30 PM

Does Griffin include details of his taking Carrie Fisher’s virginity in his memoir?

by Anonymousreply 148June 8, 2024 10:34 PM

Is Griffin gay?

by Anonymousreply 149June 10, 2024 2:11 AM


by Anonymousreply 150June 10, 2024 2:13 AM

If he took Carrie Fisher's virginity he's straight and blind.

by Anonymousreply 151June 10, 2024 2:44 AM

Carrie was extremely pretty when young.

by Anonymousreply 152June 10, 2024 5:08 AM

Imagine the dressing room scene between Debbie and Carrie.

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by Anonymousreply 153June 10, 2024 5:17 AM

I liked him in An American Werewolf of London. Great makeup and he was entertaining. We need more movies of people walking in the foggy moors at night.

by Anonymousreply 154June 10, 2024 5:23 AM

Who’s That Girl was admittedly an awful movie but a few scenes between Griffin and Madonna worked for me and were cute.

by Anonymousreply 155June 10, 2024 3:03 PM

I wasn't aware of this book until I heard his interview on Fresh Air yesterday.

He finds out his dad is gay, is sort of freaked out thinking it might be genetic, and has sex with his dad's friend while a teenager to confirm if he is or isn't? Wild.

by Anonymousreply 156June 13, 2024 4:00 AM

I bought this book yesterday and am about 2/3 through it. I can't recommend it enough. Griffin has led a very interesting life, and he's a good storyteller, so it's a compelling read.

by Anonymousreply 157June 13, 2024 5:36 AM

It's ok if you're into the gossipy side of their lives, but there's just something so entitled about the Dunnes and Didion that really puts me off. Maybe I'm revolted at the public display of their place in American society and squeezing as much as possible from being around the people they're around? All of them seem very mediocre at what they do except socializing, and it's that socializing that perpetuates this false sense of achievement and excellence. I find it annoying and fascinating at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 158June 13, 2024 6:37 AM

R158 I'm curious, are you reading the book or are your criticisms based on your general perceptions of those involved?

by Anonymousreply 159June 13, 2024 7:35 AM

I'm reading the book (about halfway through) and I watched Griffin's documentary on Joan Didion last night on Netflix as a supplement.

by Anonymousreply 160June 13, 2024 7:37 AM

Oh and I also watched the Streisand Star Is Born a few days ago, which feeds my opinion about their mediocrity. (Yes, I know the Didion-Dunnes said they did scripts purely for the money, but this was really shit.).

by Anonymousreply 161June 13, 2024 7:42 AM

I'm not ready to pronounce everyone involved as "mediocre." I mean, compared to what?

My impression so far (more than halfway through the book) is that Griffin has had a very interesting life, and met a lot of notable people. I admire the way he's able to tell his story in a way that is very self-aware and engaging.

by Anonymousreply 162June 13, 2024 8:01 AM

I didn't say they were bad or boring, but there are people who do what they did better and weren't as good at networking. They knew the right people, starting with Grandpa Dunne putting Nick and John in prestigious northeastern prep schools. In Joan Didion's case, people pretty much accepted her being an authority on social commentary from the gate because she's so damned good at prose. She got her job at Vogue for it.

All of them leveraged their contexts masterfully, and I can respect that craft more than the craft exhibited in their produced works.

by Anonymousreply 163June 13, 2024 8:11 AM

[quote]It's ok if you're into the gossipy side of their lives

Gossip is to the Dunnes like Olive Oil was to the Corleones. I was also impressed with Griffin's writing. Better than his father.

by Anonymousreply 164June 13, 2024 8:55 AM

In both the Didion doc and Griffin's book, Griffin talks about how Joan would stop phone conversations, get John on the extension, then have Griffin tell them both when his stories were particularly gossipy. Joan said that was common practice for her and John to share the line on gossipy phone conversations like that.

by Anonymousreply 165June 13, 2024 9:55 AM

R165 - How old was Griffin when he kept falling for that?

by Anonymousreply 166June 13, 2024 10:15 AM

He was a teenager, r166. The example Griffin gave was when he was accosted by a paranoid Otto Preminger who was tripping his balls off at the launch party for [italic] The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test[/italic]. Griffin mistook Preminger for Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros.

by Anonymousreply 167June 13, 2024 11:00 AM

Carey Lowell gets around.

by Anonymousreply 168June 13, 2024 3:47 PM

I'm about halfway through. He's a good writer, but I'm underwhelmed.

by Anonymousreply 169June 13, 2024 4:14 PM

The murder trial chapter is a long slog.

by Anonymousreply 170June 13, 2024 4:32 PM

I'm really liking it. He's got his father's knack with a good story. He's talking about being Ruth Ford's social secretary at the Dakota and being fondled by Truman Capote and Tennessee Williams at a dinner party:

"Truman led the handsy charge when I leaned over to reach his empty glass and he pinched my ass, making me squeal like an Elizabethan barmaid."

"When Tennessee managed to get a handful of both my balls, Ruth spoke for the first time since dinner was served. 'You know Tennessee,' she drawled, 'this boy,' as you call him, happens to be the nephew of Joan Didion, whom I always though you were rather fond of.

"Tennessee's hand snapped away from my crotch as if he'd been bitten by an asp. Embarrassment drained his complexion, and he pushed away a glass of vodka on ice in self-revulsion. After composing himself he looked me directly in the eye. 'Young man,' he began, 'though I don't know your aunt well, I adore her words and deeply apologize for my disgraceful behavior. Won't you please sit with us."

"He grabbed an empty high-back chair and told Truman to 'scoot over.' His apology impressed me, and I joined the group with no ill will. I had been groped by men since my earliest teens, and though I realize a younger generation has felt lifelong trauma from similar abuse, I had no such reaction, and accepted my abashment as the price for being young and attractive. I pass no judgment on that generation or my own."

by Anonymousreply 171June 13, 2024 10:34 PM

It’s ok, he was molested by famous men.

by Anonymousreply 172June 14, 2024 9:15 PM

Plus, he was a horny youngster and he's get it anyway he could? Guys can't be molested.

by Anonymousreply 173June 14, 2024 9:27 PM

R173 = rage farmer 😡👨‍🌾

by Anonymousreply 174June 14, 2024 9:40 PM

[quote] His apology impressed me, and I joined the group with no ill will.

That's because you're a name-dropping superficiality like your father. If what Williams did was self-admittedly disgraceful it would be disgraceful if he did it to a young person WITHOUT a famous aunt. Treating people better based on who they're related to is the fucking worst.

I'm halfway through and I'm really starting to detest this guy.

by Anonymousreply 175June 14, 2024 9:44 PM

I wanted to like Griffin because he had a self-hateful gay father and a sweet, kind sister who was destroyed and killed because she was mistakenly kind to a sociopath.

Yet he's telling us getting manhandled because his auntie was famous was totally OK, replete with a literary giant's "apology" not wondering if Tennessee might have "drunkenly" escalated into outright rape.

Griffin seems more unconcerned than Susan Collins.

by Anonymousreply 176June 14, 2024 10:37 PM

I'm trying to imagine Ruth Ford boiling over while this groping was going on. Griffin is a name-dropper like his dad but he does it in a way where he isn't too impressed, it's just everyday life. The part where he describes the genesis of his family fortune which comes from his mother's side, apparently has to do with train wheels. And Griffin lets us know often that he is riding on a train equipped with these wheels. But he's never cloying like Dominick could be and he has a better sense of humor. It's a better family memoir than a lot of other Hollywood brats have done..

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by Anonymousreply 177June 14, 2024 10:49 PM

Ruth Ford was married to Zachary “Monte Beragon” Scott.

by Anonymousreply 178June 14, 2024 11:02 PM

[quote]It’s ok, he was molested by famous men.

I feel his pain.

by Anonymousreply 179June 15, 2024 12:04 AM

Don't be so sure John was straight. His marriage to Joan was fraught.

by Anonymousreply 180June 15, 2024 4:09 AM

Ruth Ford

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by Anonymousreply 181June 15, 2024 4:16 AM

JGD's novel "Vegas: A Memoir of a Dark Season" (1974) is very funny.

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by Anonymousreply 182June 15, 2024 4:19 AM

Am I the only one who actually enjoyed “Who’s That Girl?” It’s dreadful as a serious comedy but campy as hell! It’s so bad it’s good.

by Anonymousreply 183June 15, 2024 5:45 AM

Ruth Ford also lived with bi hustler Dotson Rader before he was stolen away by Tennessee Williams, maybe at the same dinner party! She ended up leaving her entire estate to her Nepalese houseboy.

by Anonymousreply 184June 15, 2024 11:08 AM

[quote]Don't be so sure John was straight. His marriage to Joan was fraught.

He cheated on her with women. Probably to assuage his bruised ego at being the less talented spouse by far.

by Anonymousreply 185June 18, 2024 9:47 AM

I got the impression that Dominic harbored resentment towards his brother John, and Joan because he felt they had stature in the literary world that he lacked. As successful as Dominic washenever felt his work was taken seriously as Joan's or John's.

by Anonymousreply 186June 18, 2024 12:35 PM

Irish-American siblings is all I needed to know about John and Dominick when it comes to why they don't get along.

by Anonymousreply 187June 18, 2024 1:13 PM

Would you please clarify r187? I don’t know much about Irish-American siblings.

by Anonymousreply 188June 19, 2024 12:22 AM

r188 - tiny penis envy.

by Anonymousreply 189June 19, 2024 1:09 AM

[quote]Yet he's telling us getting manhandled because his auntie was famous was totally OK, replete with a literary giant's "apology" not wondering if Tennessee might have "drunkenly" escalated into outright rape.

Oh please, guys have been getting groped by men forever but, unless you're looking for a payout, it's no big deal. I never took it as a compliment but it didn't scar me for life.

by Anonymousreply 190June 19, 2024 2:44 PM

That may be fine for you, but some people have different attitudes about their body and who should be touching it. The onus is not on the person being touched to figure themselves out and stop that shit.

by Anonymousreply 191June 19, 2024 2:45 PM

I was touched on the onus once.

by Anonymousreply 192June 19, 2024 2:50 PM

I was touched by an Angel.

Ok, it was a drag queen dressed like Della Reese in a crowded piano bar and would probably be considered more of a bump, but give me a break because it’s all I got.

by Anonymousreply 193June 19, 2024 5:02 PM

I was touched on the onus by an angel from Uranus.

by Anonymousreply 194June 19, 2024 6:11 PM

When I was a kid my parents took us to the Bahamas for a vacation at the end of February, and there was a little girl, a local, whose mother worked in housekeeping and she would play with us all morning. He name was ...Dellareese! All one word. I got such a kick out of that and so did my parents.

by Anonymousreply 195June 19, 2024 9:07 PM

I'm almost done with this and really enjoyed it. I'm looking to read similar memoirs now about coming of age in the 70s-80s with LA or NYC as a backdrop. Any recommendations?

by Anonymousreply 196June 19, 2024 9:21 PM

I'm just did Elaine May's biography and it's got a lot of both, but the front third or so is late 50's-60's.

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by Anonymousreply 197June 19, 2024 9:26 PM

I'm reading it now. It's very entertaining. But they all do seem like a bunch of twats.

by Anonymousreply 198June 19, 2024 9:30 PM

R195, singer Della Reese's birth name was Delloreese Patricia Early. Her daughter was named Deloreese Daniels. Other than those 2 Del(l)oreeses, I don't I've encountered anybody else with that name.

by Anonymousreply 199June 19, 2024 9:36 PM

[quote]I was touched on the onus by an angel from Uranus.

on the road to Morocco.

by Anonymousreply 200June 19, 2024 9:38 PM

I really enjoyed reading his dad's memoir, great photos of old time actors and performers.

by Anonymousreply 201June 19, 2024 9:43 PM

I don't understand his mother at all. Was she also closeted? She knew she was married to a gay social climber. After they divorced, Griffin writes, she continued to cling on to gay men.

by Anonymousreply 202June 19, 2024 11:35 PM

Does Griffin say he once had sex with another man to see if he enjoyed it or not?

by Anonymousreply 203June 20, 2024 12:04 AM

r203, yes. he feared it was genetic.

by Anonymousreply 204June 20, 2024 12:43 AM

Well he could have asked me. My father was a dog when it came to women. He would not have cared if every other man disappeared from the planet. He loved being surrounded by women. To him being attracted to another man would be like being attracted to a 2 x 4.

by Anonymousreply 205June 20, 2024 12:58 AM

oh my

by Anonymousreply 206June 20, 2024 1:05 PM

Is there a better name than Dotson Rader?

by Anonymousreply 207June 20, 2024 1:50 PM

[quote]Is there a better name than Dotson Rader?

Semolina Beaterbars

by Anonymousreply 208June 20, 2024 2:31 PM

Why was Joan Didion so beloved? Her writing was so cold, detached, and remote. and humorless!!

by Anonymousreply 209June 21, 2024 1:06 PM

I agree about Didion. Loved Slouching Toward Bethlehem but, yeah, I found her later writing to be what R209 describes. They also treated Dunne like crap.

by Anonymousreply 210June 21, 2024 2:26 PM

Joan Didion took herself very seriously.

I liked Dommie. He had a sense of humor and was honest about what a climber he was in his young years.

by Anonymousreply 211June 23, 2024 5:09 PM

Joan Didion was a grifter just as much as she was a writer, and she did indeed take that very seriously. While she is a very good writer, she was a much better social climber and was very much of her time. Her work will not age well because the contexts in which she placed herself won't matter to future generations and her themes are not universal enough to last.

by Anonymousreply 212June 23, 2024 5:11 PM

And that includes The Year of Magical Thinking, which was was so personalized that it won't make sense to people 30 years from now.

by Anonymousreply 213June 23, 2024 5:12 PM

Wasn't Didion a pill cabinet raider when invited to dinner parties? Or am I thinking of another literary person?

by Anonymousreply 214June 23, 2024 5:26 PM

^ That was me.

by Anonymousreply 215June 23, 2024 6:53 PM

[quote]And that includes The Year of Magical Thinking, which was was so personalized that it won't make sense to people 30 years from now.

That's the book that turned me off her forever. I realize it was a hard time for her having lost her husband and daughter but I felt like more of an unpaid therapist than a reader. She just free associated for a few hundred pages.

by Anonymousreply 216June 23, 2024 7:56 PM

Jesus, this whole booze soaked white family finds themselves so fascinating, huh?

by Anonymousreply 217June 23, 2024 8:07 PM

I read the book and loved it, as should anyone who likes true tales of Hollywood. Griffin seems pretty self-aware about how privileged he and his family can come off and it certainly may not have helped with the judge at the murder trial. On a side note, I was taken aback to read about how the Dunnes and their kin ate at the same restaurant as the jurors almost daily. Seems like a really bad idea.

by Anonymousreply 218June 23, 2024 8:12 PM

R218 I loved it too. I'm looking for another memoir now that is as interesting as this was.

by Anonymousreply 219June 23, 2024 9:04 PM

Loved it, but would honestly like another from Griffin focusing on his career. We definitely got the early years here, but I would like a more in depth memoir about his work.

Griffin can definitely tell a story as well as his father.

by Anonymousreply 220June 24, 2024 3:50 PM

John Gregory Dunne seems like a colossal snob.

by Anonymousreply 221June 27, 2024 7:00 PM

Was Didion the diet coke addict who had one can left in the fridge and somebody drank it so when she went to get it she went into a wild rage?

by Anonymousreply 222June 28, 2024 3:47 AM

i love dommo dunne

by Anonymousreply 223June 29, 2024 1:12 AM

Oh God, Joan Didion braless in that OP photo.

by Anonymousreply 224July 3, 2024 3:07 AM

Enjoyed the book.

by Anonymousreply 225July 3, 2024 3:55 AM

Does Joan Didion’s writing matter anymore? In this age of Trump, an extremist Supreme Court, the rollback of voting rights and reproductive rights and the looming plot to destroy the country in Project 25 …. and everyone sitting on their asses allowing this to happen…

Does the writing of a wealthy, pampered woman who cared so much about the right tablecloth matter to anyone under 60?

by Anonymousreply 226July 3, 2024 7:14 PM

Griffin Dunne ... wasn't he married recently? Was he quietly div?

by Anonymousreply 227July 4, 2024 12:43 AM

BUMP for dunne dunne dunnzo

by Anonymousreply 228July 4, 2024 11:15 PM

I read an article by a Didion fanatic who talked about Didion’s sadness at the disappearance of fields and trees and farms in her hometown and found that it was Didion’s family who sold the land to McDonald’s, other chain stores and tract home developers. Didion failed to mention her genteel family’s wealth came from selling off the family land to developers

by Anonymousreply 229July 4, 2024 11:30 PM

I'll bet Joan never had a Big Mac in her life.

by Anonymousreply 230July 4, 2024 11:56 PM

[quote]Wasn't Didion a pill cabinet raider when invited to dinner parties? Or am I thinking of another literary person?

Julia Phillips was a friend of theirs and wrote about peeping in their medicine cabinet. They had EVERYTHING.

by Anonymousreply 231July 5, 2024 12:58 AM

R177, I imagine she wasn’t very scandalized. Her brother was an avowed homosexualist who wrote what is considered to be the first modern gay novel.

by Anonymousreply 232July 5, 2024 1:17 AM

Didion had style. She’ll be remembered as long as readers remember Hunter S. Thompson and Tom Wolfe. They all had a distinctive, influential writing style that you morons just take for granted nowadays. It was highly influential at the time.

by Anonymousreply 233July 7, 2024 7:39 PM

Not interested in your opportunities for cheap abuse, r233. F&F.

by Anonymousreply 234July 7, 2024 7:41 PM

The best anecdote in the book is about Frederick Combs, (Donald from The Boys in the Band). Evidently he became close friends with adult Griffin and told him how heartbroken his father had been when he did not reciprocate his love for him back in the 70s. So toward the end of his life he calls adult Griffin, and he sounds very sick, and there is all this background noise. He tells Griffin he is in LA County Hospital's AIDS ward because his SAG insurance had run out. Griffin was producing a film, WHITE PALACE, at the time, and got him a job as an "actor", knowing he couldn't dp it - but his insurance kicked in right away, and Combs was able to go home with hospice care, and died in his own bed in his own home. in 1992.

Where Dominick was or his reaction is not mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 235July 7, 2024 8:04 PM

I wept 4 or 5 times while listening to this book. It was really moving.

by Anonymousreply 236July 9, 2024 7:43 PM

R235, if that's true, he's a real mensch.

by Anonymousreply 237July 11, 2024 9:26 AM
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