Old Hollywood Blind Item!- Actor/Singer fucked a minor then had her fuck his son for a commercial

Ryan O'neal and Tatum.

Brando?

R2 when did Brando cast a commercial and when was he an actor and singer? And who was his permanent A List wife?

Fernando and Lorenzo Llamas? Kirk and Michael Douglas? Jason Miller and Jason Patric? Douglas Fairbanks Sr and Jr? Henry and Peter Fonda? The Bridges?

Donald and Kiefer Sutherland?

Actor/SINGER

Richard and Jared Harris?

Richard Burton? He sang in Camelot..

^^ Richard Burton had daughters, but no son. Never mind.

It's Desi Arnaz and son.

Desi Jr. and the girl may have both been 14 at the time, the model got pregnant and kept the baby.

Quote is from Wikipedia:

[quote]Arnaz has a daughter, Julia Arnaz, from a relationship with model Susan Callahan-Howe in 1968 when they were both 15 years old; Julia's relationship to Desi Jr. was proven by a paternity test in 1991.

"Bordello" is an Italian word, so that could be a clue as to the nationality-name of the father.

It also doesn't indicate that the son is any kind of celebrity himself other than that both his parents are (were) A List.

Desi and Lucy were divorced by 1968.

I’d say tge father and son were Frank Sinatra and Frank Jr., with Ava Gardner being the drunk wife, except that Jr. was only 13 when Frank and Ava divorced in 1957. That’s REALLY young.

R11 Bordello is a word that is used all over the world. Its origin doesn’t change that it exists in other parts of Europe also.

Desi Arnaz’s father took him to a Bordello at age 12 to lose his virginity.

We know Desi and Lucy were divorced by 1968 but they were still always linked to one another, and it’s still that way in modern day. I think their son being a minor at the time meant they were coparenting and Lucy never paid attention to what Desi was doing and was a drinker.

Why name your son Daisy? Well but it shows how naive men are. He ruined his own son's life not only by forcing his first time with a woman but also letting him become a teenage dad. Tragic. Why didn't she abort?

[quote]Our A lister also liked his women young. The younger the better.

Desi’s second wife was the same age as him, while Frank Sinatra was 50 and Mia Farrow was 19 when they paired up. Also, Desi was the alcoholic, and his drunk behavior was one of the many reasons Lucy divorced him. I think it was Sinatra and son.

R18 who cares who he married? Desi was a known womanizer and the women he cheated with weren’t his wives ages.

[quote]His permanent A list wife was usually drunk and didn't care what our actor/singer did.

To the people hung up on the year, at some point CDAN stated that he intentionally fudges or is vague some of the specifics, this blind item doesn't say the actor/singer was married at the time, it says his wife was usually drunk and didn't care - that is a true statement about Lucy and Desi's marriage and after they divorced. Don't take what he wrote so literally.

^ vague WITH

If Desi was into younger women, he would have married one, after divorcing Lucy. It makes no sense.

[quote]If Desi was into younger women, he would have married one, after divorcing Lucy

R22, the actor/singer was into sex with younger women, sex, not marriage. And this isn't even younger women, someone not old enough to drive is still a kid. A lot of musicians were into young girls in the 70s and 80s, but no one married Lori Mattix or Sable Starr.

After Frank Sr. divorced Mia, at age 50 he started dating another 21 year old, Irene Tsu. Honestly, Frank Sr. and Frank Jr. rivaled Desi as womanizers. Jr. had 3 kids out of wedlock (not including the one in the blind item, if he indeed fathered a child when he was 12 or 13). Sr. was a sex addict who liked his women barely legal.

Frank had a sexual relationship with Natalie Wood when he was 38 and Natalie was 15/16 according to her friends and Frank’s valet George Jacobs.

Yes. Desi was also a sex addict, an alcoholic and a womanizer who was never faithful to any woman.

Sinatra's father didn't take him to a brothel.

[quote]Desi, however, was born to wealth and privilege in Cuba. At the age of twelve, as an incentive to helping him lose his virginity, he was escorted to a local bordello by his father.

[quote]Sinatra's father didn't take him to a brothel

How do you know that, R27?

Also, did Frank’s son become a teenage father? The blind says the father had the girl fuck his son (after she fucked him) and got pregnant.

Desi/Desi Jr check off every mark. Frank doesn’t.

R29 I just looked up Desi Jr’s bio. The “model” is Susan Callahan-Howe You’re right, R29, that (along with the bordello story) does fit the B.I. perfectly, although calling Desi Sr. a “singer” is a bit of a stretch.

[quote]Desi Arnaz’s father took him to a Bordello at age 12 to lose his virginity.

Who takes their son to lose his virginity at age 12? A boy can barely perform at that age.

A 12 year old is typically going through puberty, and getting tons of erections against his own will.

I hate to think that Arnaz or Sinatra were that depraved. I could believe it of Crosby because he could be one cold mean asshole. I was also thinking as big a drinker Desi was and has harried by all the responsibilities of business and his marriage, I don’t see where he got the energy to be a sex addict too.

We should have a poll on which celebrity father and son pair DL would rather be tag-teamed by.

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[quote]His permanent A list wife was usually drunk and didn't care what our actor/singer did.

I don’t think it’s Desi because Lucy was not considered a drunk.She was more a workaholic rather than an alcoholic. I also think Lucy cared what Desi did, she just couldn’t control what he did.

Also, Desi was only A-List during I Love Lucy. Once that was over, he faded into the background.

I believe it’s Frank Sinatra.

R36 Lucy very much was a drunk.

Desi was always considered A-List. His name never went away.

[quote]Lucy very much was a drunk.

No, she wasn't. You can't run a studio, do a Broadway show and do three physical comedy sitcoms if you're a drunk. Maybe she started drinking after Here's Lucy wrapped, but there's no way she could have done all she did as a drunk.

Why would Sinatra be casting a commercial?

R39 Lucy was bombed all the time. Everyone knew that.

Vita-Meata-Vegamin!

It sure is hot in here.

R39 yes, she was. A functioning drunk is still a drunk. Everyone knew this.

Everybody was loaded back then.

[quote][R39] yes, she was. A functioning drunk is still a drunk. Everyone knew this.

No, she wasn't.

R45 retard, you denying it doesn’t change the facts.

I knew that Lucy was passed around various casting couches, but had no idea she was used as a hooker to entertain clients or that Desi was kept by a gay dude.

[quote]Why would Sinatra be casting a commercial?

He was a spokesman for Bulova watches in the 50s and 60s. They sponsored his TV series “The Frank Sinatra Show.”

I admire Lucy’s hustle and determination. Of course she was cold after what her beginnings were like.

Why would Desi be casting a commercial in 1968?

[quote]Why would Desi be casting a commercial in 1968?

The gossip says the son was less than 16. Desi Jr was born in 1953. So if it was him, the time period is 1965-1969. So I think you're right. After I Love Lucy, Desi wasn't really active full time. I argue that he wasn't A-List after I Love Lucy/Lucy Desi Comedy Hour.

He’s always been labeled A List. He was a Hollywood legend.

Lucille Ball was not an alcoholic and I'm the dame to prove it.

[quote]I admire Lucy’s hustle and determination. Of course she was cold after what her beginnings were like.

I do too. I don't care that she fucked for parts or rented her pussy. It just seems like that would have softened her a bit later in life when in came to the girls Desi Jr. was fucking around with.

[quote]you denying it doesn’t change the facts.

FACTS? Some non-entity posting it on an anonymous gossip site doesn't make it fact.

Ava Gardner was a bonafide alcoholic while married to Frank.

It's hard to believe that both the mother and the daughter would sleep with the director, and then the daughter would also sleep with the director's son, just to be cast in a TV commercial.

(A big part in a movie, maybe.)

Desi Sr was from an old school Cuban aristocratic familia, I can see him "initiating" his son into macho man hood. Also to people of the Sixties old Desi would still be A List even if we can't imagine. Lucy gave him directorial projects, there was one with Eve Arden, cannot recall the name.

Desi was the only name mentioned with a permanent A list wife. It’s him. For once, Enty has a blind that actually checks out, that most people didn’t know about, and that wasn’t too easy.

[quote]It's hard to believe that both the mother and the daughter would sleep with the director, and then the daughter would also sleep with the director's son, just to be cast in a TV commercial.

You obviously don't know any actors or stage parents. Especially in the free wheeling 60s and 70s, everybody was up for grabs.

[quote]Desi was the only name mentioned with a permanent A list wife.

You don't think Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardener were permanent A list?

Lucy & Desi were tv stars. Would they really be considered A List?

The AGC blind item site already has this solved with Frank/Ava/Frank Jr.

R63 They were bigger than many movie stars in the '50s. And they owned a studio that produced other shows. They were A list.

Ava Gardner might have been drunk sometimes but she was a functioning movie star/actress. And she did care what Frank did.

R62 I used to be an actor. It was a commercial. Not a part in a TV show or movie. I can't picture the mother and the daughter unquestioningly going to such lengths so the daughter could be cast in a 2 minute commercial that would air for a short time. And what kind of commercials was Desi Sr. directing, in the late '60s? Is there any evidence of it?

R60 The Mothers in Law was created by I Love Lucy writers Bob Carroll, Jr., and Madelyn Davis. It was produced by Desi for Desi Arnaz Productions and United Artists TV. It was based at Desilu. But it wasn't produced by Desilu.

[quote]Desi Sr was from an old school Cuban aristocratic familia, I can see him "initiating" his son into macho man hood.

Frank Sr.’s dad, Anthony, was a prizefighter from Sicily, and he and Frank were very close. I can see him putting little Frank through the rites of manhood and taking him to bordellos. Honestly, there are a lot of parallels between the Arnez and Sinatra families.

Frank's dad was supposedly a quiet man. He was a firefighter.

(originally a boxer)

[quote]It was produced by Desi for Desi Arnaz Productions and United Artists TV. It was based at Desilu. But it wasn't produced by Desilu.

When Lucy and Desi divorced, he sold her his share in Desilu. Then a few years later, he created Desi Arnaz Productions. She later created Lucille Ball Productions after selling Desilu. Desi attempted a few pilots for tv shows, with Carol Channing, Rory Calhoun and Spencer Tracy, none of which sold. His only success was The Mothers-in-Law.

And speaking of the Mothers-in-Law, I wonder if Eve Arden had a difficult time. She and Lucy were buddies going way back. Suddenly, she's leaving Desilu and going over to Arnaz Productions to do a series with them. I wonder if that pissed Lucy off?