Genoa City Homicidal Maniacs, Split Personalities and Newly Found Adult Children

Link to previous Y&R thread.

Today's show was....something special. But at least it was a break from Tucker/Ashley/Audra stupidity and the snoozefest at Chancellor-Winters

Dream of the Month?

We just had an episode like this when they did "Sharon's Dream."

Who's next?

I'd suggest JaBottom's Night Sweats Vision or Chance's Morning Woody Slumber Fantasy.

They've recast Smurf Harrison with a kid named Redding Munsell.

I'm guessing with ClairEve becoming Harrison's nanny, they needed a kid who could actually TALK.

imo - This would be a good time to start referring to the boy as "Harry." .. Also, he looks somewhat older than the photo of him in the link preview.

Thank goodness the thread with the misspelled word is full

I dint shee any mishpelled words in the other thead.

Now that he's retired to pre-school, I'm gonna miss the old, silent and creepy Harrison. Now if only Summer would actually get pregnant to make Nikki a great grandmother, that'd be just fine.

So in Claire's dream, Nick and Sharon were still together and had never broken up, while Cassie was still alive.

But Summer was there too. Summer was the result of Nick's affair with Phyllis after Cassie's death. Somebody should tell the dream police that Claire's dream violated continuity.

Brytni Sarpy as Elena Dawson is still listed in the show credits.

When was the last time Elena was even mentioned?

When was the last time we actually saw her?

Elena is busy changing Jordan's bedpan. Kind of what it seems TPTB are doing to the actress. Instead we get Lily, petty ex-con who is trying to break up a family!

Good god. Rock-on and the Bug's conversation about her becoming history's most ancient roadie was bad enough, but then they had to top it off with the beyond cringe scene of Danny setting the "scene" in his room by lighting all of those candles to seduce the bug. What straight man owns that many candles? Those two are so vomit-inducing it almost forces me to root for Phyllis.

I imagine Jordan will escape and do something to CliairEve that also involves Harrison.

That's probably why they recast the kid. No one would care if the other one didn't make it out alive.

R9 A couple of weeks ago In the last thread it was said to be four months with her last appearance being sometime in early November.

Gay Danny kept on his tank top topping Lauralee Bug, er Bell. Lauralee's dewy eyed 56 year old self looks amazing, but she's such a blank slate. Who is rooting for more airtime for these losers?

I hope RockOn and Cricket get pregnant with a miracle, perimenopausal baby. If it's a boy, he can be called "Crocker." .. If it's a girl, "Rocket." .. In fact, let's go with twins to make up for lost time. .. Two Little Bugs for Christmas!

Ohhh and Phyllis can kidnap them! That's a new and exciting story line!

Don't miss Tuesday's show. Eileen Davidson is pretty entertaining. It's obvious, she's having fun with this.

I think Eileen has got her soaps mixed up. Having multiple personalities and playing multiple characters is mostly Days of Our Lives territory.

Bitch stole my act!

I’m just glad they recast that little fuckwad Harrison. Man, I HATED that kid.

DID onsets as a kid. She’s what? 70?

R21 Why do I get the idea that they might be going with some kind DID or personality disorder that was caused by a past traumatic brain injury?

It just seemed SO RANDOM for them to insert that scene in back in February where we saw Ashley as a passenger in a limo that was involved in a fender bender that led to her having a flashback to the much bigger car accident she was involved in years ago (ca. 2003). That's the car accident that led to her delivering Brad's baby stillborn. .. As I recall, she was knocked unconscious for awhile in that one. .. Also, that accident led to one of the character's koo-koo mental breaks where we saw Ashley walking around town barefoot in a bathrobe, catatonic and clinging to "Robert the Blanket." .. Viewers were calling her "The Log Lady" ..lol

Ashley has been the type of character who comes and goes, so perhaps it will come out that there have been other times in her past (off camera) when she's had sporadic instances of this personality disorder, and it's only now presenting itself to a much higher and more noticeable degree. .. Ashley even revealed this week that she has a psych-doctor-friend in Paris, with Tucker questioning whether her memories of what this doctor told her about her mental state during their last session are totally clear.

With her ability to elude police and security details, Aunt Jordan should be recruited by the CIA

Jordan NoLastName is an escaped felon already facing charges in another state. No one thought about getting a court order to strap an ankle monitor on her?

And R24 why aren't the Feds irate with Victor/Nick for not turning over a woman who burned a federal prison to the ground, killing how many other people? NO, back off FEDS Nikki might take another drink. Now the spoiler on Friday seems to indicate Jordan is in drag, ordering a drink for Nikki at Abby's restaurant. Please, please use Jordan to kill off Abby, Tessa and the wait staff in their purple shirts. GIVE US SOMETHING!!

Lovely idea, but killing off Drabby would leave us with Duhvon attempting to act mournful.

[quote] Now the spoiler on Friday seems to indicate Jordan is in drag, ordering a drink for Nikki at Abby's restaurant.

And dear gawd in heaven, they finally let that longtime bartender at Society have some lines!

btw - You'll get a momentary look at Uncle Jordan wearing his cartoonish drag outfit from the Halloween discount store in Monday's episode when he's seen spying on ClairEve at Crimson Lights.

One of the spoilers says:

[quote] Nick reconnects with Lily

I wonder if Griffith has opted to listen to those viewers who wanted the show to test a Nick-Lily relationship for real ever since it aired that "alternate reality" episode back in 2016 where Nick and Lily were married and seen as Genoa's City's influential and dynamic "power couple." .. Their kiss got a lot of fraus all heated up. .. Meanwhile, the crazy Lane stans were aghast after CK put something up on her social media that seemed to promote the idea of a Nick & Lily pairing. .. Have those crazies all left by now and stopped collecting money for airplanes with banners?

But just what would a Nick & Lily supercouple be named? .. LICK?

R28 Long in the tooth Michelle Stafford is probably going to start smahing up the set or threaten to leave again after hearing that they're pairing Nick with Lily instead of reuniting Phick.

She should be smashing up the set over the way they've written her as some lovestruck loon, pining over Rock-On and pressing her ear to the door while he and The Bug have sexy times.

They’ve basically given the Staff a lot of shit to play ever since she came back 5 years ago. Griffith convinced her to return and this is how they reward her. I wouldn’t be surprised if she left the show yet again. Gina of course would tell them to fuck off if they approach her again.

I can't believe they sacked me for this shit.

Eileen discusses the DID story with TV-Insider.

I knew the one alter has been referred to as "Ash," but I hadn't picked up that "Ms. Abbott" was the name of the other. That seems kind of corny. And apparently, there's a third one we're about to meet.

^ This should be good.

Shouldn't one of Ashley's alters be a streetwalker who wants to fuck some blue collar guy who ends up falling in love with her?

They could update that plot and have that alter be on Chaturbate, agreeing to meet her biggest tipper named "Mr_Ten_Inch_Polish_Sausage."

Jordan is secretly trans and wants to castrate Victor so that she>he can use his severed bratwurst as a strap-on to fuck Nikki's elderly alcoholic postmenopausal piggy pussy!

The Aunt Jordan stuff has really fizzled out. ZZZzzz

During Nick and Lily's scene at the GCAC, there was a blonde woman dressed in a coral outfit sitting at the bar as a background player. .. She had the right look about her to be NuCasey Reed. .. In fact, at first I thought it was Roberta Leighton, and she'd somehow gotten her face back.

Chelsea sobbing to Billy, and Adam bitching to Sally about Miss Connor's situation might be more effective if the kid hadn't just been residing at an out-of-state boarding school for the last nine months. in fact, it was just a couple weeks ago that they wanted Connor to stay at the other school hoping the people there could work on his problem. It was he who wanted to come home. But now, they're all upset that he's gone and they won't be able to see him for awhile? They rarely visited him at the other place! .. Maybe Adam should go spend some time with his OTHER SON. .. Phone the nanny, and see if Christian can fit him in.

Speaking of Adam, he travels to Maryland to drop off Connor, so wardrobe finally dresses him in some casual clothes for a change, yet they put him in a totally-monochrome, navy blue outfit, as opposed to his typical all-black look? .. How dull.

OMG! - Such bad CGI in both the limo scene and the one with Connor sitting on the bench "outside" the school. .. Can't Y&R call someone at Sony Pictures to help with that kind of thing?

The preview has Nikki and Old Hans celebrating their "forty years" together (based o their1984 wedding anniversary). .. Does that mean they're making Victoria 42, and Nick is back to being 35? LOL!

R37 The green screen in today's episode was indeed dreadful. Almost as bad as that episode with Summer at that concert.

OMG R37 you're right. How old then is Noah, Summer? It also means Claire should be a late teen. How stupid this show continues to be. There is NO pacing.

[quote] It also means Claire should be a late teen.

Claire seems to be the only Newman child who is the correct age.

Cole and Victoria lost Eve in November 1998. That was 26 years ago.

Actress Haley Erin, who plays Claire, is 29 years old.

When they recast "Noah" with Rory Gibson, they also corrected the character's age to basically what it should be -- since Noah is supposed to be about six years younger than Mariah/Cassie, who was never SORASed with Camryn growing up in the role. . .. OldNoah, played by Robert Adamson is about four years older than Camrryn Grimes and looked it. They SORASed Noah somewhat after Cassie died.

Noah was born in 1997, so the character should be about a year older than ClairEve. I believe Gibson is 28 going on 29 this year, so that pretty much works with her character as well.

Remember when Heather’s grandmother hit on Fen’s grandfather?

R37, In the preview for this week, it looks like Hair and Makeup slapped a loaf of Challah bread on Nikki’s head.

So I guess Ashley's third alter is a juvenile. .. Audra's like WTF? listening to this "kid" talk about "Ashley" in the third person... lol .. And the scene at the end with the mean Ms, Abbott calling her "a little brat" for what she did is funny.

This Big 40th Anniversary Party would only be "spectacular" (Nikki's word), if one of the Newmans were to actually DIE. .. Doubtful.

When they had shirtless Chance laying on his stomach on the bed to get his back massage, they should have had Summer RIP his pants off (along with his underwear) in one fell swoop. .. This soap could use a male butt shot to liven things up.

P.S. Somewhat noteworthy that CBS opted to dispense with The Squawk today and aired Y&R in its place due to the network's eclipse coverage. Signs of things to come?

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"Teenage" Ashley's (Ash) hair and makeup made her look like present day Angelyne. I'm only half invested in this semi geriatric Sybil storyline.

R44 God I hope so.

I love Michelle Stafford - hope they do better by Phyllis than as of late.

^Hi, Michelle!

The Staff is an infection.

That 70-year-old bitch has escaped custody AGAIN?

Ashley's is the worst DID story I've ever seen on daytime.

[quote]Ashley's is the worst DID story I've ever seen on daytime.

Well, it's Josh Griffith writing it.

R49 the show is so fucking ridiculous it’s not even funny. One moment she’s handcuffed to a hospital bed, and then next she’s escaped. No explanation as to how. Victor can’t afford to have her monitored with security within five feet of her at all times?! We’d love to see more of that hot ass security guy. Why just have her escape from the room she’s in instead of drinking fake poison and the hospital crap? Logic went out the window with this storyline months ago.

I love Eileen, but that bright, white light during the scene where they go inside Ashley's mind ain't doin' her any favors.

Also, Tucker's in danger? .. I like TSJ, but I've never warmed up to any version of the Tucker character. .. He could be killed off, and I wouldn't care. .. Okay, let's have his pissy son, DuhVon, get in the way and take a fatal bullet instead.

Silent Diane during the "intervention" scene is funny. .. She be like, "Do you really need me here? .. I'm missing Green Acres on MeTV."

How does the Neal Winters Jazz Club stay open? You don't have to worry about a crowded dance floor. No doubt this will be the locale for the VicNikki anniversary, so Aunt/Uncle Jordan is bound to show up. She won't have to worry about cops or security to be around.

Who had DID on Passions? I’m trying to recall.

Passions was craptastic!

Doesn’t Victoria miss Nate’s bbc?

I know Nichols is locked into Days and couldn't return but I think another reason Tucker was de-aged by 20 years was to make Eileen feel a younger sexy cougar.

Just like Bergman insisting that he wouldn't revisit the Keemo storyline unless the character was killed off. In real life Philip Moon was only 8 years younger than Peter and I'm sure he didn't take too well to that.

At least his ego isn't as massive as Braeden's where Victor is ALWAYS written as a Karma Houdini, a stud muffin and Rocky Balboa all in one despite being 85.

Another thing that makes me laugh, Sinuitis Nikki boozing it up every 5 minutes and popping a mint in her mouth before she kisses the Gargoyle or talks to anyone. Unless she uses about 5 Altoids, that ain't covering shit up.

It's also funny Nikki can't wait until she can hide in a bathroom stall before boozing.

Instead of "Aunt Jordan, Escape Artist," they really missed a great chance by not letting her be free on a technicality. I'm sure she could land a job at Chancellor-Winters. They're hiring!

R53 I won't be surprised if Susan Walters exits before 2025 due to Diane now being regulated to the background and her departure storyline is Diane reverting to her old personality and leaving town or faking her death again.

Y&R and Bold and the Beautiful are two of the biggest offenders when it comes to secondary and tertiary characters disappearing from the canvas because all of the main focus is the Abbotts and the Newmans.

Diane is pretty boring without Phyllis there to cause trouble.

Meanwhile, I've enjoyed Cricket more in the past few months than I have since Eva Longoria tried to kill her in the bathtub. Enjoying her more because Phyllis is there causing trouble for her.

Reformed Diane is boring, especially paired with beyond boring Aunt Jack. Phyllis just seems more sad than anything else these days.

WHET Sharon Collins Newman Abbott McCall McAvoy Rosales?

She was on the fantasy episode with Claire a week or so ago, but that’s been it for a long time. I’m really not missing Sharon either in this capacity. She has her own company now, but you still see her at the coffee house a lot. . So they’ve dropped something promising to do with her. JG really sucks as a show runner.

Eileen needs to go back to Days.

Had to laugh during the Audra's scene with Sally, when Sally said, "That's not normal behavior for Ashley."

Sally obviously doesn't know anything about Ashley's long history of mental illness.

R64, You’re missing a second “Newman” from her brief marriage to Victor.

R68 Let's not forget Sharon was also married to Adam Newman. The ones to Victor would actually be her third and fourth to a Newman, but I think both of Victor's were either ruled invalid and/or annulled.

R69, But, was her marriage to Victor consummated?

The crazy sl where Sharon wed a jailed Victor, and then ran Newman were the truly last time I enjoyed this show.It was nuts. Jack and Nikki re-wed and she ditched him before their honeymoon to search for Victor, who fell off a horse or something and ended up in a L.A. mission home with nun Bonnie Franklin. Yeah, sounds crazy. Sharon's lack of business skills, working with and lusting after Adam.

R70 As I recall, they did have sex, but strangely, not during either of the times when they were actually married. It happened in between the two annulled unions.

The first time they married, Victor was in prison and the warden performed the ceremony. The marriage was just a strategy of Victor's so that Sharon (as his wife) could vote his proxy at Newman board meetings. It was an arrangement, and there was already talk of annulment before Victor was even released.

In between that annulment and Victor and Sharon's second marriage, we had Adam marrying Chelsea and Nikki marrying Jack. That left Sharon and Victor flying solo and they started to see each other as friends-companions first, but this led to more, including sex. Ewwwwwwwwwww.

But by the time Victor whisked Sharon off to Vegas for a quickie wedding, Sharon was already showing signs of what would eventually be diagnosed as her bipolar disorder. The newlyweds didn't stay in Vegas for a honeymoon and flew back to The Ranch, with Victor wanting to go horseback riding. They both went out, but Sharon rode back alone, and there was no Victor. As R71 explains, Victor apparently fell and injured his head, just disappeared, and somehow ended up in L.A. working at the mission with Sister Celeste (Bonnie Franklin). Sharon thought Victor had abandoned her and was now dumping her, because of a text message that Nikki sent Sharon from Victor's phone.

Tucker was advising Sharon during this time and so her bit of power as "Mrs. Victor Newman" went to her head. She lied and said she'd never seen or signed the pre-nup that Avery had drawn up for Victor to have Sharon sign. (Sharon destroyed it). When Victor finally reappeared he was pissed off at Sharon's behavior and had her arrested for fraud among other things. Part of dropping the charges against her would be that would she would sign the annulment papers.

From today’s cable guide . . .

Sharon receives a distress call from Jack.

R70 "Consummation" related to Victor and Sharon wouldn't really matter, because in the eyes of the Church, Sharon is still married to Nicholas Newman.

And as for Victor, he's still married to his first wife, Julia, but we might be able to make a case for granting an annulment there, since Julia was only 16-years-old when that marriage occurred, and there seemed to be an element of coercion involved -- having something to do with Julia's father having just died, thereby leaving her parentless and in need of a legal guardian.. .. Although, if the Church goes ahead and grants that, then Victor would have to increase the amount of money he said he'd provide to build a new church, since that's what he promised God he'd do, if Julia survived the miscarriage that Victor caused resulting in her being at death's door. .. Well, God came though, but we're still waiting on Victor's check!

Please note: Nothing between Victor and Nikki Reed Foster is recognized, since as far we're concerned, she and Greg remain in the bonds of Holy Matrimony. .. And Greg is the only one who hasn't committed adultery here -- or so we can assume -- since he's never remarried. However, since I'm not his confessor, I'm not privy to whether he's ever committed fornication or has had any lustful thoughts regarding that hot male paralegal in his law office who belongs to Dignity USA. (What a pain in the ass that group is!)

They should have had Ashley think she was still married to Victor and have her try to kill Nicki :-)

Anyone ever notice how that exterior shot of the Abbott house that they insert is totally off? .. While the front door looks right, there's always been a long wall to the left as you enter. Similarly, there should be a room on the other side of the front, since you can see the door to it once you're in the living room. At one point, when Dina was getting ill, she'd sometimes come and go from that room instead of going upstairs.

In other scenes, Sharon's NuFace hasn't settled in yet, and JaBottom's pompadour is now higher than Liberace's!

I don't think we ever saw the room on the left. Unlike with the Chancellor Estate the room to the left of the front doors did appear in the early years. It is especially noticeable when Brenda Dickson's Jill escorts a drunken Katherine home from her salon and starts walking around admiring everything. It was merely another sitting room. The set was barely used and vanished just like The Colonnade did.

R77 The room to the left as you entered the Chancellor Estate is/was the dining room. If the doors to it were left open, it would occasionally "look different" because according to the production designer (Bill Hultstrom) the room wasn't a permanent set, and they had at least two versions they'd use. .. He said one was the "compact version." This set wasn't very deep but looked okay as seen from the main living room set; while the other "complete version" of it would be put up when they were actually going to use the room to eat in. My first VIVID memory of that room was a scene where Jeff the Stableboy looked like he was going to fuck The Old Battleaxe right there on the dining room table. .. Cut to commercial.

I remember a long time ago, they actually did show what was supposed to be the room to the left as you entered the Abbott house. This is the only instance I can think of. The room was sometimes referred to as John's office. In this scene, DuhBilly told his buddy ROWL that they could go in there and watch videos or do some gayming, and that John wouldn't mind. We briefly saw them doing that on a leather sofa.

ROWL! What a hottie.

Someone mentioned this a while ago, but I think a school shooter storyline with Adam and whatsherface's kid would be interesting. Maybe not full-on shooting but finding crazy-ass art or journal entries indicating he's having dark thoughts. A little morbid but at least it's SOMETHING.

That may be more GH's opportunity with their messed-up mob and hitman fathered chilruns.

R78 Left and right changes depending on which side of the front door you're on and you are indeed right. But the room across from the dining room (where the cake fight occurred) was another sitting room.

CBS has canceled The Talk. This leaves an hour of programming open in CBS's daytime schedule come January.

Likely the new black soap opera The Gates will be a prime contender to get that time slot.

Right. .. Because we always bring our annoying 5-year old to a late-evening anniversary party to be the only kid running around the place? .. and repeating that Victor & Nikki are Harrison's "great grandparents" .. Those two are probably like, "Harrison, WHO?"

Laughing over Nicholas and Victoria patting themselves on the back for "pulling this all together." .. What did Victoria do, call up the GCAC and reserve the Jazz Club (which the Newmans built) and order a box of champagne and one bottle of sparkling water for Nikki? .. I didn't even see chips and salsa?. .. And entertainment? .. I'm waiting for Tessa to show up and croon a tune.

Larry the Bodyguard just disappeared?! .. Maybe he got bored and decided to go check out the action in the men's steamroom.

Give him a top hat and Chrissy looks dressed to be the emcee at a drag show.

I did like that they had Traci fill Billy in on Ashley's history with mental problems. .. This could have taken up half the show, though, with numerous flashbacks. .. There's been at least four or five times when she's gone bonkers (all Eileen - they never played psych issues with Brenda or that 'other one').

[quote] agreeing to meet her biggest tipper named "Mr_Ten_Inch_Polish_Sausage."

Wait, is Grant Aleksander coming to Genoa City?

R84 That would be some suspension of disbelief required for someone like Grant to have to resort to using Chaturbate!

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Re. the Abbott house I'm assuming left and right are from the perspective of entering the front door and facing the staircase so right is the living room and left... the last time I saw it, it was a yellowy organge hallway. There was a door right inside the double doors, to the left (facing the double doors) and if you turned right, you went down another length of hallway (that may have entered the kitchen?) I recall this because Phyllis (played by the marvellous and talented Gina) and Jack had a screaming fight where they pursued each other all around the house, screaming and I remember thinking why build a set for a shot like that when they cheaped out replacing the see through dining room pocket door with the standard double doors they could just close so they wouldn't have to dress/light the dining room for a background shot.

Eric Braeden has told fans he is cancer free... so we can look forward to years more of Nikki and VictoR!

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Cancer always returns.

Has Miss Connor been replaced by Miss Harrison?

The kid's obsessed with his "Lucky Bunny Charm."

With all that security at the party, no one questioned someone lurking in the doorway all evening?

R92 Jordan was doing a perfect impression of a lawn jockey. Since tons of rich people used to have them on their front lawns she blended in quite well.

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R92 Jordan could walk in without her disguise with a big sign around her neck, and Victor, the Newmans and their security detail would still find a way to fuck everything up.

Shouldn’t Sharon and Mariah have been invited to the party?

Sharon is not married to Nick anymore, and I’m sure Victor and Nikki couldn’t care less about Mariah, so no.

Sharon is the mother of their grandchildren and she has been married to an assortment of Newmans.

R98 so is Phyllis, but she wasn’t there either. This was a celebration for Victor and Nikki. Sharon has a slightly better relationship with Victor and Nikki than Phyllis, but not enough to be there.

Well Victor continues to do hire the most shitty security firm in the world. Jordan knowing Summer doesn't like Claire somehow managed to sneak in, kidnap Harrison and frame Claire for it.

In spite of the fact that Jordan is obviously the culprit the writers will use arbitrary skepticism and make Summer blame Claire. Just like they just did for Bold and the Beautiful where everyone seems to have forgotten that Sugar exists (or rather used to exist now that she's clearly the one who Steffy killed) or that Sheila has faked her death many times before.

Has the show explained why Summer doesn't like Claire?

R101 Based on ClairEve's past behavior, Dummer thinks her new cousin is too nuts to be trusted.

When Victor gave Summer "the unvarnished truth" of what happened in Oregon, Dummer thought she should still be in prison, learning that the only way she got out of the psych ward was because of Michael's legal maneuvering. Summer doesn't care if ClairEve is trying to build a new life, she just doesn't want her doing that around "her son" Harrison.

How do we get Thad Luckinbill back?

R103 Begs the question, what was that non-story about Elena wanting to get back at Boretoria, because of her affair with Nate, which had Elena trying to make contact with J.T. to bring him to town??? .. Elena was acting as some kind of medical podcast interviewer and tracked J.T. down after he'd been released from prison. She used the ruse that she wanted to interview him about his brain tumor. .. They even featured Luckinbill when Elena got J.T. to answer her call via Skype. .. But he didn't want to get involved, yet that didn't seem to put an end to Elena's plan. .. Then, NOTHING. .. That story must be dead, because Victoria and Nate aren't even together any longer. .. And by the first week of May, it will be six months since we've seen Elena. .. Why is she still listed on contract?

I’d love to have Thad Luckinbill back, but they destroyed his character by rewriting his history (as an abuser, which he never was the first time around). They did the same thing with Thom Bierdz’ Phillip. He’s back and and now gay. That just seemed so far fetched when we saw him in the 80s in love with Cricket.

R71, I still remember Sharon being a boss bitch and spewing the immortal line: “Until Victor Newman returns, I AM Victor Newman!”

My mother was really into Y&R at the time, so I had a nightshirt made for her with those words emblazoned across the back.

R105 Per Luckinbill, the only thing that attracted him to coming back that time 'round was that he was going to get to play edgy-bad. .. And if viewers were paying attention, it had been telegraphed that something was physically wrong with him to cause his aggressive-abusive behavior. .. Plus, they went full-circle at the end when JT had his surgery to cure his problem, and he returned to his honorable "good-guy" self by not dragging things out in a court where he could have pleaded not guilty and tried to argue that he was some kind of victim of his own medical problem. .. Instead, JT pleaded guilty and took his jail sentence like man. .. Twinks in lockup were anxiously awaiting his arrival!

NuHarrison is adorable, as is his little burnt orange dinner jacket.

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Vicky Rowell and her new hat and wig must be chafing at the bit!

I'm sure Victoria Rowell and Debbie Morgan are angling to be the matriarchs of the two main families.

Today’s episode was one of the best in a while.

Have to hand it to Allison Lanier, she killed it today.

TGVN slowly rises from his chair, shakes his elderly finger, and mumbles, "I'm gonna get that woman .. once and for all .. I've had enough of this nonsense!"

Go GoatDaddy !!

Oh really R112, How does 70 year old Jordan manage all her evil deeds? She hijacked the Abbott's florist (who drops off flowers in the evenings?). I miss the old catatonic Harrison, imagine that child actor playing scenes with Colleen's psycho character.

R114, I meant the pace, the acting, the entire hour devoted to one storyline in real time, etc., not the credibility.

What drugs or medication was Ashley sedated with in order to be able to sleep through all of that commotion?

R114 TPTB realized they had to recast Harrison for this story, because the majority of viewers would have been pulling for Aunt Jordan to dispense with the last one by lighting his hair on fire to see if he could talk.

OMG .. Two new sets on Wednesday. ... They've resurrected the Abbott terrace. No pool seen, but they're pretty accurate with the way the brick and windows looked from olden times. btw - When sponsor Aunt Jack takes a disheveled Nikki out to the terrace to talk privately, the two go there by heading through the doorway on the other side of the front door, which was just talked about above, R78, R87. They then turn right. .. And we also get to see Harrison's bedroom and the upstairs hallway that leads to it.

R112 She killed all right...ME. I like the actor--b/c she's dating the drummer from LeTigre--in small doses but the "Summer hour" was too much and showed her limitations.

I liked her yesterday. I’ll always be grateful Hunter King is no longer playing Summer, just as I always take a moment to appreciate the fact that I no longer have to suffer through the bleating and great facial pain Heather Tom brought to the role of Victoria.

Lighten up, R119.

Allison did an admirable job for the full hour on Tuesday.

The walking overbite as Victoria is no great shakes.

R122, Amelia acts with her hair.

Since she's approaching the twenty year mark is it perhaps time to accept she's got the part?

Yes, dear, but she's still a terrible actress who badly needs to run to Sephora and purchase a hair brush.

R125, Then, how do you explain her multiple Daytime Emmy Awards?

I think Heinle is a good actress. It’s the character of Victoria whos as insufferable as fuck, and Heinle sells it. Probably not in the same league as Tom, who has three times as many Emmys. I always think of Tom as one of those actors, who if a director asked to cry out of one eye, she would ask which one. But she seems more interested in directing than acting nowadays. I seriously doubt she would ever come back to YR, unless Heinle voluntarily left. And even then.

After 20 years I'm okay with Amelia in the role, and it's been so long, I actually don't even envision Tom playing the the role any longer. .. Plus, I'm not as enthusiastic about Miss Heather's acting as I once was.

I think Heinle's done quite well in certain stories, especially the abuse story with J.T. and the more recent Lifetime movie-like "woman in danger" arc with Ashland Locke. .. Added to that, the character of Victoria is getting to an age where they should begin playing her more as a mother involved in the lives of her adult children (ClairEve and Reed, whom they should recast) and those of her soon-to-be teenagers (Johnny and Katie) more. .. Heinle seems like she'll be able to do that well.

She was terrific in the Delia's death stuff. That was a high point for that cast generally.

She's a wonderful actress, r125. Every now and then, I say a little prayer of gratitude that we get to look at and listen to her instead of the previous actress, the one who suffers from PSS, which made watching her unbearable. Just unbearable.

You are really using Daytime Emmy’s as some kind of yardstick? Oh, my sides!

R131, You would prefer the Soap Opera Digest Awards?

They have about as much relevance

Bring back Brenda Dickson as Jill! She lives closer by and Jess has been literally phoning or skyping it in these days.

Amelia’s been successful in nabbing two hot husbands, Michael Weatherly and Thad Luckinbill.

I’ll have what she’s having…

Saw the Daytime Emmy preview. Hans and The Stafford got noms for Lead. ZZZzzz

Nice to see "Neighbours" added to the list of Dramas, now that it's produced by Amazon.

More to follow Friday.

Poor Mel. All that drunk work and no nom. Her peers say it all. She's no worse than Stafford, who is like watching an out of control garden hose.

That’s a great description of Stafford’s acting these days, r138. Her acting coach must be a Water Wiggle.

That is perpetually her style. Why they fired Gina I'll never know.

R138, Would Mel’s drunken storyline be eligible for this year or next year?

Nicki's flask should get a nomination

GAWD all this boring talk about Jordan this and Jordan that, and the plot moves at a snail's pace. How many times can Icktor same the same thing about getting that bitch and setting a trap? And c'mon Dummer....you'd rather have Chance mounting you than having that mouthy kid back.

R141 Both. The story with Jordan started in late 2023. All the stuff with Nikki kidnapped and being held in Oregon happened last year, so that would be eligible for a nomination with the awards that were just announced. But I'd say, most of MTS's work playing drunk (her supposed forte) has aired during 2024, so that would be eligible for next year (2025). The work submitted runs on the calendar year:

[quote] Series and Specials (depending on the category), and their related craft achievements, must have originally aired or been made generally available for viewing, by at least 50% of the US households between the dates of January 1, 2023 to December 31, 2023.

What about Zenk in Guest Performer? The writing is shit, but she leaned all the way in, and deserves it as much as (if not more than) Mills did last year.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they were indifferent to Mel’s work come next year. One nomination in over 40 years pretty much sums up how they feel about Scott, and she’s had better material in the past. You know Eileen is going after another nomination with her storyline. I don’t think it’s that compelling, It plays as pretty ridiculous right now, but Eileen is respected, so she will probably get in. Hans hasn’t submitted any reels in the last 20 years. I guess they convinced him somehow this year to do it.

R145 she didn’t get a nomination.

Yes, Captain Obvious, I know. I'm curious why not.

R148 um. Maybe because the storyline sucks, and Zenk is overrated playing this silly character that isn’t even believable in the soap world.

From next week's preview:

OMG. How funny if they actually played Danny with Traci. .. RockOn's original fan club beard! .. He then married Traci to prevent her from "suffering the shame" of being an unwed mother after she got knocked up with Professor Tim Sullivan's baby. .. Danny moved into the Abbott house to cohabitate with his bride. .. RealJack used to call him "Danny Ravioli."

So does Ashley have another alter? .. ED's "accent" in that brief clip didn't sound that great. .. Was it supposed to Texan? Southern? Some kind of catch-all floozy speak?

Jordan should maybe be afraid of Nikki. Her kill count is one of the highest in Genoa City. .. Although I wouldn't mind seeing Harrison do it. Have him drop an ACME anvil on Jordan or something, which would be an appropriate ending to this CARTOON.

I am shocked that Kate Linder didn't get a nomination in the Guest Performer category for her arc on B&B !!

Is Kate holding out for LEAD where she truly belongs?

Supporting Actor: Bryton James as Devon Winters, “The Young and the Restless” (CBS)

Dear Gawd in Heaven.

Josh Griffith could be out next.

Next week’s preview has Nikki alone on a loading dock that looks like it was borrowed from B&B.

Summer could have given Chance a hummer in the Abbott living room before they left for the Newman ranch.

Sony's two daytime soap operas can easily be rolled into someone else's division.

Ever since Days got picked up by Peacock, it seems like Sony's taken a step back. Peacock saved the show, so it seems like what they say goes. .. And Sony just renewed the licensing contract for Y&R for another four years, so the budget there seems set until 2028.

What do they really need Steve Kent for? He's had the job for going on 18 years. He's the perfect example of the old-school "Peter Principle," which holds that every manager rises in the hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of incompetence.

[quote]Josh Griffith could be out next.

Who is there to replace Josh as either HW or EP?

Christopher Cousins has been cast on The Young and the Restless as ALAN LAURENT, a psychiatrist and friend of Ashley’s (Eileen Davidson) from her time in Paris. She referred to him quite often when talking with Traci (Beth Maitland). Look for the actor to appear in multiple episodes starting on Tuesday, April 30.

I doubt they'll style him like this, though...lol.

R157 That would be amazing as long as they don't bring back Maria Arena Bell, Jill Farren Phelps or Mal Young to replace him.

The former gh team is free as well r157.

[quote] Josh Griffith could be out next.

Not sure I see that.

Having just given Y&R a four-year pick-up, CBS seems satisfied with what Griffith is churning out. Plus, going forward in the near term, Reisenbach's main focus in the daypart will probably be getting "The Gates" up and running and trying to make that a success when it replaces The Talk.

And SPE expressed its confidence in Griffith when they appointed him true showrunner following Morina's ouster. They primarily care about cutting production overhead, and Griffith's done that for them by streamlining the soap's writing model. Plus, his connection to Sony goes beyond his writing gigs at Y&R and Days - having worked on three other serial dramas for them in the past. And recall, he was not fired from Y&R in 2013. Griffith quit on his own, because he didn't get along with Jill Fuckin' Phelps.

Griffith may not be the greatest, but he's hardly the worst this show has had, and I certainly wouldn't replace him with any of the has-beens from GH or Days.

R161 Everything you stated is true, however there was the whole "Steve Kent's keeping him employed" factor when there were calls to fire him, based on their longstanding friendship. Although with CBS focused on The Gates and Y&R still atop of the ratings, even further ahead than B&B than usual, he could be safe.

R157 LMAO that would be a disaster.

R160 That would probably be an even bigger disaster.

Shemar Moore is open to the idea of returning to Y&R:

Meg Bennett (ex-Julia Newman) has passed away.

Moore is only interested in recurring not contract. Still, Davidson is only recurring and she’s been on a lot. Bring back Moore I say and finally fire Bryton James and his shit attitude character once and for all.

R167 I think Shemar is only interested because he knows SWAT is on thin ice with CBS, so he wants to have a soft landing back in daytime. He'd probably even show interest in The Gates.

R166, that’s sad. I always really liked her as Julia. Thanks for posting.

Very sad. You're welcome.

Dying at 75 isn’t exactly tragic.

The Gates would probably love to feature Shemar in an arc in order to get his 4.3 million "Baby Girls" on instagram to tune in. .. That soap or Y&R may have to wait, though, since SWAT got renewed for another season just 10 days ago.

Did Aunt Mammy croak?

Did Jill croak?

When was the last time we saw her, even via a FaceTime call or teleconference link?

Today!

Kudos to Chance for having a brain and walking out on the Newman/Abbott crazy train. He deserves better than that whining bannshee Summer.

They actually give Jill a good anti-DuhVon zinger in Monday's episode.

She's zooming the Chancellor-Winters board meeting, and when things turn disagreeable over DuhVon's stealth attempt to add Nate to the board, Jill pointedly asks:

"Alright Devon, how long has that bombshell been percolating in that little brain of yours?"

And some Board we have here. It consists of: Lily, Devon, Jill, Billy and Blabby. So much for any real outside oversight.

When are Chance and Kyle going to fuck?

R177 with her recent investment I would thought Aunt Mamie would have been on the board before Nate.

Another question - is the old company that Phillip Chancellor ran in 1974?

[quote]When are Chance and Kyle going to fuck?

Kyle can have him after his dickprint dries on my hole.

Chance would just be having my sloppy seconds.

R179 Yes, the origin of the Chancellor part of "Chancellor-Winters" is supposed to be Ye Olde Chancellor Plant that we saw PC2 running when Kay and Phillip first showed up.

We learned during Bill Bell's gawd awful Rainbow Gardens story (1994) that the company was started by PC2's grandfather, Garfield Dandridge Chancellor, not long after the Civil War. It sounded like the business started as the local mill, which put the newly-founded Genoa City on the map. .. Eventually, it got into manufacturing "something" providing many jobs in the area. We'd occasionally hear the machines running in the background when they'd show Phillip in his office talking to plant janitress, Liz Foster. .. I always imagined Chancellor was supposed to be like the real-life Kimberly-Clark, started up in in Neenah, Wisconsin in the 1870s. Big on Kleenex and Kotex... lol.

During the Big 80s, Chancellor Industries started to become like a lot of soap opera companies -- just some big conglomerate that could get involved in anything and everything as the story needed. .. Also, it's a myth that Kay was any kind of talented businesswoman. .. She always has someone else running the company for her and could hardly be bothered signing paperwork related to the business when attorney Mitchell Sherman would show up with his briefcase. .. Even as late as 2004, she had Eliot Hampton (Michael Nouri) running Chancellor and paid so little attention to the business that it was Jill who had to figure out that Eliot was bamboozling The Old Battleaxe.

Conner Floyd looked so hot today in that scene with Summer in front of the green screen.

R182, thanks for reminding me about the history of Chancellor. I remember Liz Foster working there, but I thought it was a cannery.

R184 It's possible that it could have been a cannery, but I remember it being referred to as the "Chancellor Plant." I'm not sure that goes along with a cannery operation. And the memory about Garfield and "the mill" is pretty clear. I think that's why I got the idea about it being something like Kimberly-Clark, which grew its paper mill operation into a big consumer products products business. .. Also, by the early '80s when Derek Thurston and Judy Wilson were plotting some kind of takeover, it didn't seem like a cannery; it seemed more like an extensive business. So too when Victor arrived to oversee operations on Kay's behalf around that same time. -jmho

Mamie's wig on Tuesday should probably get its own screen credit. Maybe she could give a few of those curls to DuhVon to tape to the top of his head.

Thanks R182 - that brings back a lot of what I thought. When the show went to an hour in 1980 I recall Kay putting Derek in a position of power, and Loyita Chapel(Bob Woods' wife) playing a secretary or something. I always thought she looked like Jan Smithers. They built a couple of nice corporate office sets for Chancellor, when they had a huge budget.

Nikki pacing around dumpsters on some Television City loading dock and just yelling to herself is not must-see TV.

This latest incarnation of "Ashley" is a little too fake. .. Wouldn't the bartender call GCAC security to remove this loud, annoying woman who looks like a 60-year old hooker from the Jazz Club? .. And what time is it? .. Daniel is buying Summer breakfast rolls. .. Would the Jazz Club (with piano player, no less) even be open at this hour of the day? .. This scene may have worked better at that dive bar Seth and Jordan were seen at. .. Of course, if they allow floozies to troll the Jazz Club, perhaps that means you can find rentboys cruising the steamroom as well.

Scene of the Day: NuHarrison flinging the peanut butter sandwich across the room. .. But wait! Jordan can't afford decent takeout for the kid, but she can afford to get her nails done and buy fake eyelashes and sparkly eyeshadow? .. And Jordan just takes off leaving Harrison in the motel room alone? .. I guess that's why they had JaBottom show up almost immediately to save him, because this kid is definitely old enough to venture out of the room to look for help. .. That may have been a more "suspenseful" result: 6-year old walking the "mean streets" of Genoa City by himself, complete with more bad CGI.

LOL R188! Eileen's acting today was the WORST I've seen since Kim Zimmer vamping it up as early Reva on GL. She will probably get an Emmy though! Yee GADS!

Are they going to kill Danny Ravioli offscreen? That goodbye with Tracy was very final.

*Traci

They just need a reason to have Traci act all verklempt.

Fraus really go for that.

I guess RockOn is going on his tour, so bye to Danny. Good luck with your case Bug. Hope it keeps you warm at night. For some reason, Eileen reminded me of a bad rendition of Jessica Lange in Blue Sky with her southern floozy today. Annoying af. And what happened to Claire? Maybe she’s still unconscious in the bathroom? I guess Zenk may be gone now, unless Jordan escapes for the 87th time. Entirely possible with the Newmans and Aunt Jack in charge of things.

They wasted so much potential with Aunt Jordan.

[quote] And what happened to Claire?

May sweeps starts tomorrow, so I imagine this is the Big Mystery, meaning we're more than likely not done with Jordan quite yet.

I really hope they don't repeat what happened with Stitch and make Cole a villain with him secretly being in league with Jordan.

Are Victoria and Cole fucking?

How could Jordan not notice Victor sneaking up from behind her?

Couldn’t she smell his BENGAY?

Hint: Old school Victor returns Thursday.

And when I say "old school," I mean almost back to the very beginning.

Apparently, they built the NuRanch on the same foundation as the OldRanch?

LOL the old prison in the basement is going to house Jordan. Gee I hope Chance finds out and turns them all in. I can see one after another, Victor, Nikki, Victoria all having their chance to berate Jordan. If they really want to pumish Jordan, have Tennesee Williams Ashley pull her Southern Belle act on her. Talk about torture.

If Jabottom’s pompadour gets any higher it’s going to merit it’s own mention in the credits

Did they get the old jail cell set from the 2006-2007 fake Sheila storyline out of storage to put Jordan in?

Let's hope there's toilet in that prison cell. Women over 70 usually have to pee about every 45 minutes.

There's a case of Mrs. Lady Pants in the cupboard.

Marla Adams has died. Age 85.

I never saw it but apparently Marla played quite the hussy on The Secret Storm.

Marla played villainess Belle Clemens for the last six years that Secret Storm aired.

Y&R named Ashley's new slutty Southern personality Belle, likely as a tribute to Marla.

Back when Ashely went nutso because she had an abortion of Victor's baby - she met and married Stephen, the shrink who restored her sanity. That was the whole Leanna Love story, she was an ex-patient of his who was insane and tried to kill Ashley with a poison lei. Then Jack hired her to write Victor's tell-all unauthorized biography, Then Victor hired her to write his official one and discovered she was a virgin so he seduced her with his big german cock and took her flower.

Sad to hear about Marla. She was a deliciously beautiful Belle Britton Kincaid on Secret Storm. Those were the days when the villainess would show up at the heroine's door in a fur, diamonds and plenty of snark. She was right up there with McKinssey, Strasser, Fulton.

R.I.P. to Marla, she seemed to leave Y&R during COVID out of concern for her well-being, iirc? Dina obviously was going to eventually leave, except she left earlier since catching COVID was of concern to her, I believe

R210 her Alzheimer’s story went on forever, until they finally pulled the plug and killed her off. I get the feeling she didn’t want to leave. She said maybe she could show up as a ghost, like Jerry Douglas did, but it never happened.

R211 Right I have that same feeling, she didn't really want to leave. I thought it had something to do with COVID protocols, at least that's what I thought was mentioned. It makes sense that they felt it was time to conclude her Alzheimer's storyline, for it was long.

Gwen Sherman, Julia Newman, Dina Abbott

RIP

I suppose it's going to become a regular thing now.

Look for Meg Bennett's in memoriam card at the end of Monday's episode.

Gross imagining that XXL dead woman laying on top of Claire the whole time! .. So who was this 350 lb accomplice? .. Aunt Jordan's lesbian luvah?

I've noticed this before -- it's almost impossible not to -- but the idea that Claire would have that HUMONGOUS tattoo on her back seems really out of place for a young woman who supposedly led an extremely sheltered life, under the strict control of her ancient aunt ... unless said aunt thinks big tattoos on women are sexy. (See above.) .. TPTB should have insisted Haley Erin have that fugly mess covered up with body makeup.

I laughed when Victor told Victoria to bring Claire back to The Ranch immediately, saying Cole could stay at the storage unit and deal with the authorities. But then in the next scene, Victoria, Claire, AND Cole all show up at The Ranch. Guess not.

When "retired" hot silver daddy, Alan, isn't in Paris, he looks like the type who might travel down to Barcelona for a Circuit Party, or maybe even over to Berlin for Folsom Europe. .. I think Traci might be a little smitten with the guy, which would make sense.

So I guess with Michael and Lauren now mentioning the Sheila development out in Los Angeles (B&B), the two soaps are once again basically in alignment in regard to that cartoon character? .. I know how I'd handle explaining the Shephyllis and Sarah Smythe yarns, but I hope Sheila doesn't show up in Genoa City.

What’s hilarious is they couldn’t explain exactly who the bitch was draped over Claire/Eves legs. I had to rewind it because I thought I missed it, but I missed nothing. I just then figured it was Jordan’s accomplice. And Clair/Eve couldn’t move her legs to get away from her?! She was big but not 600 pounds. And how many entrances does Victors dungeon have? Another lmao moment when Victor takes off with an already suspicious Michael there, and it looks like he goes outside to go see Jordan, when the last I saw the entrance was downstairs inside the ranch. Michael could’ve easily followed him. I just know Victor will fuck Jordan’s captivity up again, and she will escape for the 100th time, or Michael will find out.

Jordan should have been sought by the FBI - her crimes went state to state, including MASS MURDER at the prison she burned down. The FBI and the GC Police KNOWING Victor is trying to control the situation with his Keystone Cops Security Detail, would have all over that ranch, the motel, the storage facility. This is beyond stupid, even for the hack Josh Griffin. I was in someone's hospital room when Y&R came on today, and my friend(the patient) was laughing his head off at Ashley and that horrible acting, that and Lauren's business outfit, with the bare shoulder. He asked me how I can watch this shit.

They should break both of Jordan's wrists and shoot her in both of her kneecaps and then hand her off to the FBI. She'll have a very hard time pulling another Houdini after that.

As for Claire's tattoo I'm guessing that's Haley's actual tattoo which they didn't bother covering up. I highly doubt it's a fake one suggesting Claire is not who she really seems. Most of the time when actor's tattoos are covered up it's for love scenes.

Obviously the fake Phyllis wasn't really Sheila or Sugar either. I still believe Sarah, Ryder and Daisy were Sheila's actual family. Sarah could've been Sheila's paternal half sister that Molly somehow was unaware of.

It was also stated or implied a long time ago that Sheila killed her own father by poisoning him because he was physically or sexually abusing her.

This story development where Billy has become anti-DuhVon is allowing me to (finally) begin liking Jason Thompson in the role. Anyone who's dismissive of CueBall gets my vote.

Drunk Nikki holed up in a hotel room with no one missing her? What happened to our tall, blond bodyguard who was following her every move? Was "Larry" dismissed? .. Seventy-year old Aunt Jack scampering around the GCAC from one room to another is a hilarious image.

The scene where "Ms. Abbott" told off "Belle" was fun. .. It would have been even more comical if Ms. Abbott had revealed to the generally misinformed Belle that she's barking up the wrong tree where Alan is concerned, and let her know that "Jean Claude" in Paris is Alan's toy-boy.

“Seventy-year old Aunt Jack scampering around the GCAC from one room to another is a hilarious image.”

He needs to walk in on Chance and Kyle.

Griffith is pulling out all the stops for MTS to make another try for the Daytime Emmy next year.

Thursday's episode is a two-hander featuring only Nikki and Aunt Jack in the hotel room.

R221 GROAN!!!!!!!!!

MTS, ED and CZ must've decided over lunch to lean ALL the way in to the ham sandwich hysterics of their rotten storylines.

It's like some Baby Jane - telenovela fever dream.

I was enjoying Eileen's multiple personalies performance until Belle came along.

She's playing Belle so over the top, its not even believable.

Ash and Miss Abbott are much more sutble performances.

Josh is starting to turn into Maria Arena Bell. I'd rather not go back to 2006-2012 when Y&R was trying to skin walk DoOL and Passions. He's overstayed his welcome and needs to go.

Belle's easier to take without the eye-rolling Southern drawl that she first showed up with. .. I laughed when Ms. Abbott imitated her today. .. It looks like OTT Belle's been banished, at least for now.

Is the "Mrs. Abbott" personality based on Dina? The teenage personality is clearly a much younger Ashley. Wonder who the other two are based on.

I think "Ms. Abbott" is just supposed to be Ashley retreating into super-defense mode - an unemotional, tough-as-nails, take-no-prisoners persona who sees herself being Ashley's "protector." And to do that, she has to be more aggressive and assertive and won't take shit from anyone. .. In some ways, Belle is almost more "Dina-like" .. as in SLUT.

Drunk Nicki's dream had me howling! More please!

Is Eric Braeden still on the show and are they still pretending he is the most sexually desirable man in the world?

R230 Hans is still on the show, but they've basically been writing Victor as the patriarch, devoted husband, dad, and grandpa for awhile now. .. Even in the current "Aunt Jordan" yarn, she seems to be more obsessed with ex-stripper Nikki than Victor. My personal opinion is that Jordan owns one of the last surviving copies of Nikki's "Hot Hips" videotape and has nearly worn it out. .. And obviously something's changed, because I don't believe they've ever had the village bike, Audra, offer Victor a ride.

What happened to the proposed Nick/Lily pairing?

R232 Does Griffith ever follow through with anything? I can’t stand Lily anyway. She thinks she owns CW. All you do is manage it bitch. It looks like they’re angling for another Billy and Lily pairing (how original). I do hope Billy finds a way to get control of the company away from her and cueball and toss the Winters out on their asses. It’s too bad St. John died. If he was alive they probably write one or two of his kids, maybe Nate, off the show. They’re cunts and insufferable.

Today's Jack/Nikki stand alone ep needs a laugh track. I was on the phone with someone, and it made me start slurring like Mel. THESPISAN!!

Did Nikki register under an assumed name?

Nikki hasn’t had a decent pounding since Arturo fed her his linguica.

The irony of today's Nikki/Jack ham sandwich is that Bergman will get the Emmy, and Mel won't be nominated.

So Aunt Jack can summon a bag of Hillbilly Heroin from the mean streets of Genoa City at a moment's notice!

This is far more dangerous than it was eight years ago during Jackie's original Oxy addiction storyline. .. If they want to do something current, they should write it that the pills he bought are laced with fentanyl, and he almost dies.

We can have a cute room service attendant with a hot ass rush in and revive him with some Narcan. .. The fentanyl crisis is so epidemic that the hospitality industry has had a campaign urging all hotels to have it on hand.

R236 Bergman hasn’t won in nearly twenty years. Plus his first two Emmys were at the beginning of his YR run over thirty years ago when he had much better material. A few months ago he lost to hobo Ridge which says a lot. I think voters realize he just flames and hams it up as Aunt Jack. I doubt he will get a fourth one anytime soon, unless it’s for the last year of the show.

Has he won and emmy since Braeden punched him in his girlly girl face?

I think Bill Bell lobbied hard for La Bergman's first win in '91. He wanted to stick it to Terry Lester who'd been nominated multiple times for the role and never won.

Terry Lester would've played today's scenes in too-tight tennis whites.

Griffith is the one who wrote Jack's original Oxy addiction (2012). He even remembered the name of Jack's dealer, "Kieran," during that time.

Kieran Donnelley (Daniel Romer) was a college buddy of Kyle's, then played by Blake Hood. .. Blake would never have been called "JaBottom." .. He would have been JaTop all the way!

I've always hated the flashback episodes consisting of only two characters sitting together in a room and reminiscing about their shared past or a character who is no longer on the show (usually because the actor recently died).

They are incredibly cheap and you can tell it was a slow day in the writer's room.

Is Y & R pivoting to a comedy? I know I laughed the entire hour

...

I figured Kent's dismissal was less of a "firing" and more of Sony's ongoing organizational realignment. I bet he keeps his same executive pay. But gee whiz - he might actually have to do some work now.

Hans thinks Mel and Aunt Jack were brilliant in their two-hander. His second tweet hails them "performers of the year!" .. Oh, make that "performers of the damn year!"

[quote] Performers of the damn year!!! It was very difficult to keep this up, scene after scene and not hit a bad note! You don’t realize how many pages of dialogue that was!!!

R245

Loved the way Susan Walters spit that line out about Aunt Jack giving up his sobriety FOR NIKKI NEWMAN. .. Diane has very reason to be pissed off. .. Good scene between the two of them. . . But I wonder? .. Was there some foreshadowing that Jackie might get back on the Hillbilly Heroin again? .. He swears up and down there's no risk of that, but sometimes in Soapland such firm declarations mean the exact opposite will happen.

I'm rather impressed with what they've come up for Victor's revenge on Aunt Jordan. Drink herself to death! .. Of course, Jordan may not succumb to this, or perhaps someone will find her first, but in any event this plan is VERY Victor. .. Stay tuned.

Looking at JaBottom with his high hair and growing widows peak today, I can't unsee Eddie Munster.

Arturo deserved a Nobel Prize or an Oscar for pretending to be captivated by that boozy old bag of plastic surgery and cellulite.

Wasn't there some sort of scandal about Kent a few years back? Not the Al Alarr stuff but I thought there was some kind of complaint about Kent either at YR or DAYS.

[quote]He swears up and down there's no risk of that, but sometimes in Soapland such firm declarations mean the exact opposite will happen.

That's not just in Soapland. That happens in real life all the time. Addicts fall of the wagon and swear it was just a one time thing. But they keep on using.

So, it seems Jack getting hooked on the pills again would be very normal thing for an addict to do. And it will give Jack and Diane a storyline, something they haven't really had since TPTB moved Phyllis out of their orbits.

Big Ed and Mel to receive "Lifetime Achievement Awards at the Daytime Emmys."

Will the Scotts be awarded together or will Mel have her own moment?

Mel’s getting that Emmy one way or another. I don’t begrudge her an honorary one. She’s really put in her time on the show over 40 years through sometimes good often awfully bad writing for Nikki.

Do we know if Victor has Jordan on camera like she imagines? .. I was wondering about that myself the other day, because he definitely had Michael Scott on camera when Michael was imprisoned down in the basement. I remember it being a closed-circuit television system. Victor could check in on Michael whenever he wanted. It was also a two-way system, and Victor once turned the camera on to force Michael into watching him fuck Julia up in their bedroom. Ewwwww. .. And now that we know Jordan has arachnophobia, I'm waiting for Victor to bring her a covered tray of food, with her opening the lid up and finding a humongous tarantula. That would hearken back to Victor feeding 'love rat' Michael a dead rat.

On another note, Sally's hooker look is really getting tiresome. How long has she had those trashy tattoos on her hand? Plus, I'm still pretty lukewarm on the Adam-Sally pairing altogether. Maybe indifferent is a better word. .. To spice things up, they should think about casting NuRafe, and have him move into Adam's building. Adam could invite him in for some MMF action. .. Sally seems the type who would be up for it. She could play dominatrix at the foot of the bed and tell them what she wants them to do.

I see we got Marla's memory card today. RIP.

Mamie bugs the beejeezus out of me. I never really cared for Veronica Redd in the role, but this rendition of Mamie is just too much. Just go away. .. And the way she behaved today, well, no one's going to visit the annoying old crone at Shady Pines. .. I was hoping Lily would call security and have this stereotypical angry black woman escorted out of the building.

I was wondering where Belle keeps all the BIG jewelry she puts on when she comes out to play and hit on men. She must have an extra large suitcase hidden under Ashley's bed.

Gosh, I almost thought Tucker and Audra would make it through an entire episode without having sex, but no. Griffith obviously has a thing for seeing Ms. Silver busting out of her black bra.

Ashley is closer to 70 than 60, this storyline is stupid. Give her a benign brain tumor to explain it, and move on. Her stupid daughter is clueless what is going on with her mother - why the hell wouldn't Jack, Traci and Billy clue her in???

I'm hoping for a Who Killed Mamie Johnson story. This actress is not the kind hearted Mamie we knew.

I’ve had enough of Mamie and her horrible wigs too. Just go die. It seemed like this was Redds last day, at least for awhile. Even Lily and Duhvon, whom I can’t stand also, have had enough of her bullshit. You’re never gonna get rid of Jill, you dumb bitch.

I guess Eileen Davidson is having a field day playing these multiple characters, but unless this turns into Sybil anytime soon, pull the plug on this storyline. I honestly think they don’t know what to do with these characters that have been around for decades anymore.

I’m convinced Ronnie Red was lounging at home, semi-retired with not a thing to do when the powers that be at Y&R phone her up for a storyline that would be filmed immediately. There’s no other explanation which would explain that ridiculous hairdo.

Bring Patty back, pair her with Ashley in a crazy Thelma and Louise type of storyline, and let them go on a spree to get rid of all the boring characters: Duh-von, Sally, Mariah and her boring wife, Mamie, the Bug and Danny, and Chelsea. Then, have them lock Victor and Nikki up with Jordan, and it’ll be a private fight club for them to watch and make bets.

I wish Summer would fall into a wood chipper.

Bring back BRENDA DICKSON as Jill. Imagine the other actors working with her. It would be GOLD.

So what is Victor doing with Aunt Jordan and the Vodka. Is he trying to turn her into Niki to punish her? I want Jordan out of Victor Jail and free to create mayhem because who is fucking babysitting Harriso is not the drama we need! I am just so glad to see Ms Zenk back on daytime. She was so great on ATWT.

Was watching some old ATWT Barbara clips on youtube. Does anyone know who the actor who played Barbara's doctor during her cancer story is? My partner thinks hs character was related to Andy Dixon (whom he kind of resembles) most of that story isn't on youtube any more, but I remember at the time he was on a lot. He seems familiar but we can't place him. He's at the tiop of this clip TYIA

Anyone able to verify Peter Bergman is alive?

Wikipedia says he died on Monday.

r266 not any more it don't

R266 Some stupid wiki edit on May 6.

R265 "Dr. Hearn" was played by James Riordan. The actor actually made several appearances on ATWT between 2007 and 2010. He was originally referred to as "Dr. Daniel Hearn," then later credited as "Dr. Greg Hearn." I believe he was Oakdale Memorial's resident cancer specialist, since he also consulted when they thought Liberty might need a bone marrow transplant. This wiki article on Riordan seems to emphasize his work in the theatre.

I found this in the edit discussion on Peter's Wikipedia page. He might want to increase his security detail. Aunt Jack, you in danger, gurl.

[quote] [R265] "Dr. Hearn" was played by James RiordanThe actor actually made several appearances on ATWT between 2007 and 2010. He was originally referred to as "Dr. Daniel Hearn," then later credited as "Dr. Greg Hearn." I believe he was Oakdale Memorial's resident cancer specialist, since he also consulted when they thought Liberty might need a bone marrow transplant. This wiki article on Riordan seems to emphasize his work in the theatre.

Wow, thanks r269, I couldn't find the name. I've seen him on several primetime shows and I find him interesting

I thought there was some telegraphing going on today that Victor might be considering pulling another "Patty Williams" and somehow use Aunt Jordan as an assassin to kill Jack for him. This would be somewhat similar to how Victor brought the unhinged Patty Williams to town, then set her loose in Jack's orbit as Mary Jane Benson -- because that worked out so well. RME.

I always that the John Cougar song Jack and Diane was about the Y&R characters but I guess not

According to Mellencamp, "Jack & Diane" was based on the 1962 Tennessee Williams film Sweet Bird of Youth.[

According to Mellencamp, Jack & Diane is about an interracial couple.

In 2014, Mellencamp revealed that the song was originally about an interracial couple, where Jack was African American and not a football star, but the record company persuaded him to change it.

Y&R just conveniently used the popular song at the time to pimp the on-again. off-again love affair between Real Jack & Dianejenkins. .. Jack was always messing with Diane's head and trying to ruin her relationship with Andy Richards.

Reigniting the feud between Mamie and Jill doesn't even make sense when Jess Walton is rarely on the show anymore. And when she does show up it's usually on Zoom.

As I've said before Mamie is just extremely bitter and petty Jill clamjammed (female version of cockblocking) her numerous times decades ago and she never not once got to sample John Abbott's dick. That must've been quite the dick if Mamie is still sore about not getting it over 40 years ago.

Is Maitland on Ozempic? .. "Traci" looks like she's dropped 20 lbs. The shorter hairdo is cute as well. .. Some of the other "senior" actresses on the show should take note and consider dispensing with their totally fake hair extensions and go with something shorter.

DuhVon and the way he talks to Tucker is just soooooo TIRESOME. .. Why does Tucker even bother with this asshat? .. Oh right, sonny boy is worth $2.7 billion.

Those things hanging off Audra's sleeves at her wrists - WTH? They're not just hilarious, but totally distracting. .. And I had to laugh when Audra told "fashion designer Sally" that she always likes what Sally is wearing. .. What would that be? .. Downtown Hookerwear?

lol I know! Sally looked especially cheap and slutty today. The wardrobe people must HATE her.

I think Jennifer Hudson is wearing the same (ugly) dress as Ashley was wearing yesterday and today.

R277 Good for her if she is. She's an overweight middle aged woman who might have diabetes. It's extremely difficult for that demographic to lose weight the healthy and natural way.

She was once very thin and attractive in a scene from over 30 years ago where she and Lauren had a catfight over Brad in a hospital waiting room. Tracey had long blonde hair and she was wearing a pantsuit in that scene.

R280 "She's an overweight middle aged woman who might have diabetes."

Middle aged...people don't live to be 130 years old!

Sixty-six is middle-aged?

OMG! .. Melissa Boredway was actually pretty good today. .. First, there was her scene with Daniel. I'd almost forgotten that Abby and Daniel had been a thing for awhile during the Daisy Carter days, with Daisy raping Daniel and getting pregnant. It's basically what caused Abby to break up with Daniel, since she thought he should concentrate on getting custody of the baby. .. Then, there was Abby's surprise action at the Chancellor-Winters Bored Meeting, telling DuhVon and Lily to fuck off. I enjoyed both scenes.

R281 R282 The current calculated maximum human lifespan is currently at 125 years old. Therefore 62½ years of age or your sixties overall is when middle age truly begins. Jeanne Calment is so far the only living person who came close to the limit when she died nearly thirty years ago at the age of 122.

Gay middle age ends at 32.

R285, At midnight on your 32nd birthday.

LOL gay middle age ends at 25

Seventy-six-year-old "Esther" dressed in evening wear and working the counter at Crimson Lights? Right. Whatever. .. I hope she at least has sensible footwear. .. The gang at Chancellor-Winters also just confirmed that Esther's still working as the receptionist there too.

Brussels Sprouts? .. Victor better watch it! .. If elderly Aunt Jordan actually ate them, the odor from her flatulence might stink up the entire basement and drift all the way up to the living room area, thereby alerting others that she's down there! .. Oh wait, from Friday's preview, it looks like Cole is on the scent!

Casting note: Christopher Cousins as Ashley's psychologist, "Alan," is sticking around longer. .. He was signed for 10 episodes, but that's now been extended. .. Now, if only Alan's special friend "Jean-Claude" from Paris whom we heard about would join him. Summer's coming and French guys like Speedos.

R288, Cole’s become a lot smarter since his makeover.

Cole is back? Is it J.Eddie Peck again or did they get someone younger and hotter.

For an AARP member who's now eligible for early Social Security, 65-year old J. Eddie still looks pretty good.

Eddie Izzard is NuKay, this September!

Kay often did look like she was a man in drag.

Beetle juice beetlejuice beetlejuice

#scochemarin

R293 So that's why the marriage ended.

I can tell you why that marriage ended.

r219 OOH. Is Kimberlin Brown still on B&B? There were rumors she and J. Eddie were hooking up while she was on Y&R and married...like a good Maga Republican.

Questions:

When is the ghost of Hal Munson going to rescue Barbara Ryan from the clutches of Hans and this shiteous storyline?

Will Miss Connor's suicide be a teachable moment for the nursing home audience?

How many morticians does it take to do J. Eddie's makeup?

....and where is the Newman kitchen that ole Victor has to walk that tray through the living room to the dungeon?

r200 he was using the butler's pantry where JAM was.

Victor should go to the local gas-station-mini-mart and find a cute, blond, naive twink to bring Jordan her bowl of Brussels Sprouts and rolls of toilet paper .. mMaybe some deodorant by this time as well.

Recall, that's the original story with Victor and Paul Williams. .. Twenty-one year-old Paul was working at the gas station where Victor had lost his wallet. Rather than pocketing the cash, Paul brought the wallet out to The Ranch to return it. Victor was impressed and figured Paul was trustworthy, so he hired Paul for a week or two to bring Michael Scott his food down in the dungeon while Victor took Julia on an out of town trip. Victor told Paul that Michael was Julia's insane brother and not to believe anything Michael told him. Victor explained that they were keeping Michael locked up for his own safety because he'd managed to escape from the psych facility more than once, and they could give him better care on their own at The Ranch.

I'm sorry but Ashley's dissociative identity disorder and one of Victor's very first storylines being revisted with him acting like Baby Jane Hudson is getting even more nonsensical and ridiculous.

I'm convinced Josh Griffith and the cast now hate the show with a passion and have made a pact to ensure the latest contract renewal will be its last.

What the hell was with the editing of the 5/24/24 episode? Repeated scenes, some of the worst in the show's history. That ferris wheel ride!

Heinle looked to be about 5,000 years old thanks to however they filmed that scene with her and Claire on the bench

OMG! The Ferris wheel and outside Ranch scenes -- looked like green screen from the last century! ... Hilarious.

If they insist on doing this type of thing, can't they at least ask Academy Award-winning Sony Pictures Imageworks to send one of their summer interns over to help them out?

R294 don't say it don't SAY IT!

It's been blissful here for eons. Don't wake the beast.

Surely there's a warehouse full of dusty old Olan Mills' backdrops that would make for more believable outdoor scenes.

Hair & Makeup have been working overtime lately on J. Eddie Peck.

He looks exponentially better now compared to when he first returned.

Yep, J. Eddie's corpse looks only hours old, versus days.

R304 It looks like they're using some kind of "extra bright lighting" feature when editing these faux outdoor scenes. I assume they're trying to make it look like bright outdoor sunlight ??

Anyway, they're doing something similar in the black and white flashback scenes. I can't fathom why they'd want a flashback to be extra bright and "silvery" looking, though.

Let's just say these lighting tricks are not a friend to any of the actors over a certain age. Just like with AARP Member Heinle, this bright lighting makes now Medicare-eligible Eileen Davidson look her age.

As for J. Eddie, I think viewers often forget just how old he really is.

R310, J. Eddie Peck turns 66 in October.

He wouldn't look so bad if they didn't have that dead possum on his head.

He has a case of the Redfords.

[quote] J. Eddie Peck turns 66 in October.

Right. Just a couple years younger than MTS, who's now 68. .. And recall, that's what Bill Bell played as part of Cole's first story. .. Cole was old enough to be believably paired with Nikki And not long after Victor told Cole that he could live in The Tack House, Cole and Nikki began fucking. .. Then, Bitchtoria moved back to the The Ranch after her teen marriage to Ryan failed, and she set her sights on older man, Cole.

Ok I know it's stupid to introduce logic in this sl, but if Cole knew Jordan was his aunt, who did he think Claire was for all those years? Was that ever explained?

r314

I think COle said he hadn't talk to his aunt since he was little

Cole made mention that he had minimal contact with Jordan growing up. Think he said something about not having any contact since his mother's death.

The other day, Psycho Jordan was still blaming Victor for what she called Eve's "early death."

Someone should inform the old dingbat that Victor and Nikki had nothing to do with her sister dying from Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis.

Eve was sitting pretty on a cruise when she received Cole's message that he planned to marry Btichtoria, so she rushed to Genoa City to (incorrectly) tell him that they were siblings; but she'd already contracted the disease on her trip and was down for the count by the time she got there and was immediately hospitalized and unable to speak.

R317 that’s what make this shit so ludicrous. There’s are so many plot holes with this Jordan story I stopped counting a long time ago. They think the audience are morons who don’t remember details from the past on the show. Victor has made plenty of enemies in his past. For instance, they could’ve made Zenk the widow of a business rival Victor destroyed crushed and then committed suicide, and she seeks revenge. But they just had to have yet another Newman. I think Claire brings little to nothing to YR.

R318 All valid points but that would have taken more than the 48.5 seconds of thought Josh Griffith gave to the matter.

[quote]They think the audience are morons

Well, if you're still watching in 2024, seems to me the shoe fits, dunnit?

R320 yet you’re posting on this thread, so you’re probably watching too.

J. Eddie still looks great. He was SUPER hot in the late '80s when he was appearing on both Dallas and Dynasty. The cheesy films he appeared in back then are a guilty pleasure of mine (Dangerously Close, Curse II, Lambada).

He is still attractive, but the Walgreens beauty products they make him up with are not flattering.

R321, the last time I watched was when Dina died. Watching now is kind of like an old friend in a bad relationship, so I follow, at a distance, through this thread, basically waiting for cancellation. R320 was only gentle teasing anyway.

R324 That wait for cancellation might take awhile, since CBS just recently renewed its license for Y&R for another four years into 2028.

And if Peacock saw value in moving a soap like Days - which ended its broadcast run with something under 1.7 million viewers - to streaming only, then I wouldn't doubt Paramount+ or some other streamer would try to do the same with Y&R.

Memorial Day on Monday ...

Hmmm ... That should be when we once again see Jill Foster Abbott go out to the graveyard behind The Chancellor Mausoleum resulting in The Old Battleaxe getting in her face while she tries to convince herself that she'd didn't kill Phillip.

Since the show seems to want to use green screen and computer-generated special effects, creating a new scene between these two might prove entertaining.

OK, well I don't want to raise your hackles any further, R325 so isn'r Y&R just great!?

R327 Raise my hackles? I'm neither upset, nor trying to defend this soap in any way. .. I'm simply looking at a fact based on CBS's recent contract action and also noting what apparently passes for viable content on streaming platforms these days.

Jess may have been on far longer than Brenda but 90% of the best moments of the Jill/Katherine feud was with Brenda. Which is why there are barely any good clips to use whenever they flashback to Jess's Jill and Katherine fighting and they use the same clips over and over again.

Phillip Chancellor II's entire run was with Brenda. Damn near impossible to flashback to that without extensive editing and CGI which is far out of their SFX budget.

Unless they go the cheap route, blur out Brenda's face and have her dubbed with a younger Jess Walton sound alike (it be even more awkward having then 30 something Brenda dubbed over with now 75 year old former smoker Jess)

Whenever we flashback to Jill and Katherine fighting it's mainly the attic fight from 98 and the 09 wedding cake fight from Billy Miller's (RIP Stud) Billy and Chloe's wedding over and over again.

Still wished there were completely nude photos of Billy Miller's before he passed. That man was sex and it was a damn shame he wasn't gay.

I started watching when Jess took over the role, but the Brenda Jeanne clips on YouTube are funny as hell too. Jess and Jeanne had many fights, with some that turned physical, and were lmao riots. Great compilation here.

LOL - I always got tired of Jess Walton's perpetual screaming... but I did laugh at "This time, you die!"

Plus when she calls Katherine old woman ad nauseam. Lol never gets old.

There was a camp factor to the 80s era, which made the show more fun. Brendad excelled at camp.

Katherine always visited Phillip’s grave or looked out the window and reminisced about him on Memorial Day. I don’t really remember the significance of the holiday though.

So, Griffith is gonna kill Jill off-screen?

I mean she’s kind of an inconsequential character to the series right?

Right now they all are.

I think Jill's health issue is just a move to give Billy even more unsupervised control and complete autonomy at Chancellor-Winters.

Old woman......darlin'!

Is Jill going to tell her SISTER that she's ill?

Still waiting for the scene where they have lunch and talk about their gay sons.

How long has it been since Jill talked to Lauren? I’m guessing years. Another stupid storyline. A close second to making Jill and Katherine mother and daughter, but at least they reversed that one.

LOL poor Snapper - and Chris - still living in London??

Those styrofoam bricks are sure gonna cover up that prison cell! Victor should have been shown doing it all himself. Is he going to have his security detail murdred to keep them silent?

What the hell was that get-up they had Summer wearing? Wardrobe is nuts. .. It was supposed to be morning saying she was headed off to work. Where? The streets? .. Not only that, she's in fashion (runs Marchetti), but that outfit certainly doesn't read Spring-Summer. .. And on that subject, why does Dianejenkins typically look like she's ready to attend a funeral? She walks in the room, and I'm thinking, who just died? So often, she's in black like Adam.

Two new sets for the Paris scenes. They look very nice. .. When this D.I.D. story is over, they should think about keeping Ashley's Parisian apartment set and transform it into someone's residence in Genoa City.

And speaking of Paris - I wonder if Ashley and Traci ever think about stopping in to see how Theo is doing? .. Recall, Theo eventually "inherited" Grandma Dina's boutique in Paris. .. By now, he should have been able to fulfill Dina's dream of it becoming the city's No. 1 Sex Shoppe in the Pigalle Quarter. .. Lonelyhearts Traci could probably find a couple of devices to help her out.

btw - Has it ever been determined why Brytni Sarpi is still listed among the contract cast in the end credits? .. We haven't seen "Elena," since early November, so that's now more than six months (and a 26-week contract cycle). .. Is Elena so boring that they forgot about her?

R342, was there a Snapper and Chris mention?

When Liz came back to die a few years back I couldn’t for the life of me remember if, when moved to London, she had reunited with Stuart Brooks.

Jill mentioned Snapper the other day, but not Chris.

Is Conner Floyd still part of the cast?

When was the last time we saw Chance?

R346 Floyd is still listed in the end credits as a contract player, but by this coming Monday, it will be a full month since he's appeared (May 1).

Summer is insufferable. Can we drown her somewhere?

So in the preview they ran today for next week we hear Alan say he has a brother? .. That must've been Alan's twin we saw Tucker run into with the guy strangely ignoring him.

Sounds like Ashley's mixed up with another Alex & Rick Bladeson.

R348 All one needs to do is feed Summer a peanut.

[quote] OMG .. Two new sets on Wednesday.

And on Monday, they give us another new set of a very large bar in Paris. .. It's kind of old-world looking, far more interesting than Society.

The Biden remarks cut off next week’s previews here.

What’s on tap?

R352 The three previews for next week:

Mariah to JaBolttom: "All of this aberration for Claire .. is it maybe something else going on?" (Like, are you looking for another clueless beard so soon after Dummer?)

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Audra to Tucker: "This has nothing to do with vengeance. That's YOUR game and YOUR weakness." .. Tucker replies, "What is it you want?" .. Audra: "I want Glissade. I want it ALL."

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Ashley to Alan and Traci: "Am I creating some kind of a psychosis? .. Am I delusional? .. What is happening? .. Alan responds. "No. I think it happened as you say. It just didn't happen with me. .. I believe you spent the evening with my, uhh ... brother.

Thanks, R353

R353 More like same shit, different week.

20 years of the most boring character ever to appear on soaps, played by one of the most talent free actors to ever appear on a soap.

Gives new meaning to Daytime Emmy Winner!

I used to laugh-out-loud when he had them list him in the end credits as the mononymous "BRYTON."

but think of his pedigree. A child star!

R350 😆 😆 the peanut butter "lipstick" was pretty clever.

Probably not surprising to some of you guys, but I had no idea Kate Linder has worked as a flight attendant for over four decades now. Therefore she's essentially moonlighting as an actress; the reality of the situation is, she has a more glamorous career in real life, in comparison to reel (which is probably where she learned how to serve so well)

Linder has rolled out that story about her still working as a flight attendant about as many times as Hans has told the one about his childhood in Nazi Germany.

They referenced Ashley's relationship with husband Blade and his bad twin, Rick, but didn't say their names. Viewers who've only started watching in the last 29 years probably won't know what that aside was about, since from what I recall, they've never brought that up since. .. Rick, pretending to be Blade, was raping Ashley; the same way Marco pretending to be Jack was raping Phyllis. It was Epperson's last story in the role of Ashley, and the event that caused the character to exit Genoa City and move to Paris.

Chance LIVES, and lookin' mighty fine, I might add. ... But holding Dummer's hand is NOT a story.

Mariah ... Put down that slice of cheesecake. ... Of course, that big orange dress from Lane Bryant they have her in doesn't help.

Victoria is now being played by ... Pippi Longstocking!

I'm laughing over Victor firing Michael LaBaldwin and telling freeloader Cole that it's time to giddy-up. (I assume that's what he meant.)

If Kate’s FA duties are handled with the same level of skill as her acting, she must dump hot coffee into passengers’ laps.

I'll laugh if phone video turns up as her being the LUCY version of a flight attendant . Or maybe more Laverne DeFazio.

With her seniority, Linder probably only works once a month, being able to successfully bid on any flight to a place she wants to go to. It's been said elsewhere that she only works First Class these days as well.

Although, I can see her walking the entire length of the cabin at least once or twice -- very slowly -- hoping someone in Economy recognizes her and asks her for an autograph.

Frau 1 >> Oh look! .. Isn't that 'Esther' from Y&R?

Frau 2 >> Is that soap still on?

Frau 1 >> Yeah, but I don't recall her real name. .. 'Kathy' something?

Frau 2 >> No. .. I think you're thinking of 'Katherine Chancellor'.

Frau 1 >> Probably. .. Shhh .. Here she comes ...

Frau 2 >> Gawd, she looks old! .. Kinda scary when you think about it.

Frau 1 >> Excuse me. .. Aren't you 'Esther' from Y&R?

Linder >> Why yes! .. Who wants my autograph?

Frau 1 >> Tell us about what it was like working with Jeanne Cooper! .. Gosh, I sure do miss her.

Frau 2 >> And are you sure they're aren't any peanuts on this flight? .. I miss those too!

Why does Summer act as though Harrison is her son when he isn’t?

Because Summer is a cunt. Aunt Jordan is after the wrong family.

I loved Dummer saying she was the one to tell Hair-is-son to brush his teeth and eat his veggies, since she lives in a room at the Athletic Club. This character has to be one of the most unlikable to ever hit TV.

I wish they would reignite the feud between Summer amd Mariah. Loved it when Mariah called Summer “snowflake.”

Smug, pudgy Mooriah is not exactly likable either.

It's too bad they didn't recast Harrison with this new kid like the second episode after the dull smurf played him. .. If they'd done that, then they may have been able to at least write some scenes where we saw Summer and Harrison interact where she was playing a more motherly role. .. But that was probably impossible to do with the other kid who was all hair and no talent. And because we never really saw Summer being his mother, her continual complaints about this come across so baseless and entirely manufactured.

[quote] I wish they would reignite the feud between Summer and Mariah. Loved it when Mariah called Summer “snowflake.”

Considering Lanier's personal life, with her in the role now, they should think about having Summer and Mariah get trapped in an elevator together; then have their snarking at one another during the ordeal turn into a moment of lust. .. If they insist on keeping Messa around, then they need something to shake their boringness up.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone, including Dummer. It would be like hooking up with a bowl of Elmer's glue

This has been a week of the most boring shows in months, and that's saying a ton given how stupidly written & acted this horse is.

How long before Jordan busts out of prison and captures Claire and Harrison again?

Shouldn't there be a trial for Jordan? I mean, hearing her on the stand condeming Victor for mistreating Eve could be a riot. Imagine the cross examination.

Is Jordan going to become another Sheila type character?

Josh Griffith has no idea how to write for or balance all of these characters. Michael, Lauren, Kevin, Chloe, Gloria, Sharon, Esther and Jill are long term characters who barely appear anymore. Heather, Mariah and Tessa barely appear anymore either.

Chance comes and goes. Noah and Allie haven't been seen in forever. Neither has Elena. Diane has been reduced to being talking wallpaper.

They've been focusing on the Abbotts, Newmans and Winters 24/7. Just like how Bold and the Beautiful is basically the Forresters and the Logans featuring the Spencers, Sheila Carter and a half dozen other characters (who get barely any screen time).

Either let a dozen actors go or increase the budget, hire a dozen new writers and increase the episode length to an hour and a half or two hours (yes, I know B&B still exists) in order to accommodate more characters (who are now on call) and bring in more viewers.

God what a snooze with the Ashley/Martin/Tracy/Tucker ep today. Oh gee, what a twist - it was the twin schooling Ashley and her alters. This sl makes NO sense. When whatshisname the evil one sent Tracy to the kitchen - of an apartment she's never been to before - little did he know she was probably wolfing down croissants and whatever else she could find, and not paying attention to the twist in the living room. If this was a stand alone ep to showcase Eileen, well no wonder it's rumoured she is leaving again.

Daytime Emmys tonight.

Will Melody cry at her Lifetime Achievement Award presentation?

Did John Abbott touch his "beauty" on her no-no when she was young?

Thread to discuss tonight (June 7) Daytime Emmy Awards show

John Abbott, arriving at the breakfast table were Ashley and Tracy are seated: “Good morning, my beauty… Good morning, Tracy.”

Bill Bell must have been a sick fuck to write those scenes. He treated his daughters so unequally… loved Tracy but she was the chubby one.

Traci's SAS orthopedics (in white) were a fun distraction today from the terrible dialogue.

R303 I think John used to call Traci ... PUMPKIN.

Alan's townhouse - complete with an upstairs area and outdoor balcony no less - makes that another set they built for this Paris interlude. I think we're up to six now. .. And on Monday, Audra is shown sitting in a different small cafe.

MINI-SPOILER:

Watch for Alan to flirty with Traci on Monday. .. As they've sorta been telegraphing, it looks like he may want to get cozy with her big cushions.

Traci is one of my favorite characters.

R365 That is hilarious

Traci might finally have a reason to go buy a new tube of KY Warming Jelly.

R389, The tube she purchased to use with Cane had exceeded its expiration date.

Peggy Brooks - red hair -- was Pumpkin. Traci did have a nickname, maybe Peaches??

Porky, wannit?

R391 Right. Stuart called Peggy "Pumpkin," but I think Bell wrote that John called Traci that as well.

I wonder how Shari Shattuck would do in the multiple personality story.

Y&R should just go camp, and use Brenda Epperson and Shari Shattuck as the other personalities.

That would have been awesome, R395!

Shari Shattuck was the definitive Ashley Abbott

R395, that’s such a clever idea. I would tune in for that.

When will Josh unveil the Victor/Esther pairing?

Are we to assume that Chance and Summer have been fucking off camera?

The pathetic scenes where Corpse, er I mean Cole, and Michael BEG Victor for forgiveness were nuts. Just tell the MF-er he broke the law and turn him in. Victor walking in on them like the Spectre of Gloom and then castigating them in a public place was Trump Nutso territory. Take this clown down!

Cole’s hair gets darker every day.

Happy 71st birthday to Aunt Jack!

Just realized J. Eddie is the same age as Chrissy.

Instead of talking about TGVN, Old Cole and LaBaldwin should be at the bar discussing the pros and cons of taking early Social Security.

R403, I am one year older than Peter Bergman.

R401 probably in Hans contract to have someone beg Victor every now and then to let them know who’s in charge. It was truly pathetic having two mid 60s men do this. Michael aren’t you a supposedly successful lawyer and Cole a supposedly successful author?! You both don’t need this decrepit, mumbling old fuck to tell you to do anything. Grow a pair both of you and tell him to go to hell. Oh and by the way your fucking ass isn’t in prison due to what we did bitch.

Found it all Trumpy

Have Cole and Nina shared any scenes this go round?

I want Mari Jo Mason to return. She's been in prison (presumably) since 1996. She could come back and stir up trouble for Jack and Diane.

I don't understand why Sheila Carter gets to return all the time, but Mari Jo Mason and Tricia Dennison just seemed to disappear forever.

R410 Screw that I want Patty to come back. Stacey is on Days and Andrea has now passed. I wonder if Lilibet Stern still knows how to act and they could just somehow retcon the old plastic surgery storyline after bringing her back.

Or maybe get Stacey back and have Eileen do double duty since Days would give her far more better work than she's getting at Y&R right now. Or bring back Stacey as Patty, have Eileen return as Kristen on Days and bring back Brenda Epperson as Ashley instead.

If Jess is barely doing shit as Jill they really should bring back Brenda since she would give us Jill full time and actually be on set instead of appearing 99.9% of the time on Zoom calls.

Whatever gets Haiduk the hell out of Salem, I'm all for it.

Re: Patty .. Since Steve Kent is still the "executive in charge," I seriously doubt Y&R is going to play anything Williams-related. I mean, what would be the point of having Pattycakes return without Paulie being around? .. Dougie did a podcast interview in late 2023 where he clarified what (WHO) the big problem is with him, and he indicated that it's neither CBS nor Josh Griffith. In fact, he lauded "the wonderful new woman in-charge" at CBS Daytime, and specifically praised Josh Griffith by name. So by process of elimination, that only leaves one other entity.

I loved Sabryn Genet as Crazy Tricia, but her obsession was with Ryan McNeil who's dead. The only other characters she might have something against would be Victoria (now the wrong one) and GoatDaddy. I really don't need anything more with either of THEM. .. btw - Is Genet even healthy enough to work? The reason she disappeared from acting is because she came down with some debilitating chronic illness. On Instagram she refers to her situation as being a "Chronic Illness Fighter of Dysautonomia/POTS/EDS/MECFS/Migraine."

Mari Jo Mason (Diana Barton) has always been an interesting suggestion for a return, imho. The former actress now works sales at Saks Fifth Avenue in Palm Desert. She's also a brand ambassador for some French perfume, which allows her to travel to Paris a lot. Not sure if she'd ever want to return to Y&R, but she looks great. (See rare recent selfie below.) .. And when Y&R had it's 50th, she put up a rare post about the show saying how proud she was to have been a part of it's legacy. It would have been nice to have seen her show up at the show's Big 50th Gala in 2023. I still don't understand how invites went down for that shindig .. or didn't. There were so few vets in attendance.

No preview for next week?

[quote]So by process of elimination, that only leaves one other entity.

Which is who, r413?

R415

[quote] Since Steve Kent is still the "executive in charge," ...

Diana Barton looks great!

Mari Jo could come back and try to undermine Jack's relationship with Diane. Of course, they'll suspect Phyllis but it won't be her stirring up trouble this time. Of course, we could also have some fun scenes with Cricket and Mari Jo reuniting. Back in 1996, Mari Jo kidnapped Cricket in the Jabot basement and tried to kill her before Paulie and Victor came to her rescue.

Also, Mari Jo could try to make amends with Victor for shooting him all those years ago, and when he's a little more forgiving than Nikki would prefer, Nikki does her jealous thing.

Sheila's been back on B&B for years and still has yet to share a scene with Lauren. Not to mention she seems to be unaware that her granddaughter Lucy is in Genoa City.

This would make for a perfect crossover event where Sheila kidnaps Lucy and Lauren and Phyllis team up to rescue her. Missed opportunity.

Oh, fuck no. keep that Sheila bitch away from GC. She made me stop watching, and I didn't come back for years.

Is Josh hard at work developing something worthy for Stafford now that she’s won her third Daytime Emmy?

They should be bringing back the Brittany/Raul/Mac generation. They had a few bad Macs but certainly someone must be able to play that role as something more interesting than a wet dishrag.

Is Cole the best love interest they can find for Victoria?

So, Kyle is obviously going to hook up with and marry Claire and then Claire and Summer will be dueling stepmothers?

Claire has ZERO chemistry with Kyle, but then neither does Summer.

Mac is not a character I particularly need to see again.

Has Victoria forgotten her son Reed? She talks about Johnny & Katie meeting Claire, but zip about Reed. Reed could probably be better used to suspect Claire of being duplicitous.

Jabottom only has chemistry with his excessive hair products

Now that they're connected, let's have Audra bed GoatDaddy, leading to him dying of a heart attack mid-way. With Nikki being drunk .. or in rehab .. or pissed off at him for the last seven months, he obviously hasn't been gettin' any.

Tucker collapses next week.

Oh, my!

How many weeks will it take Traci to prepare to have sex with Alan? It must be pretty dusty down there.

I bet Goddard regrets that No Fat Chicks rule every day of his life.

I liked Raul. Would love to see him return.

[quote] Tucker collapses next week.

I can hardly wait for DuhVon's apathetic, disinterested reaction.

Can we just have a serial killer storyline where Devon, Abby, Audra and Nate are all murdered? Make sure they stay dead too. None of that Melaswen stuff DoOL did a long ass time ago.

You can kick Devon and Abbey to the curb. They’re yawn inducing.

Nate and Audra are much more interesting. They just need a good storyline. Definitely get Audra out of Tucker’s orbit; that has rendered her somewhat boring.

Or maybe let Audra have an affair with Devon which leads Abbey into an affair with Nate. That might be interesting.

Abby should revive the Naked Heiress.

Jabottom's only chemistry was with NuFen. I mean GayFen.

I really like Audra. I find her old school vixen. .. I'd give Audra a brother who's the male version of her ... a total manho who will jump into bed with some guy at the drop of a hat.

I would keep Nate if only for his shirtless scenes.

WHET Sharon Case?

We saw Sharon and her wonky face in Friday's preview for next week, and she's in Monday's episode. .. It does appear that things might be 'settling in' on that front, so maybe they'll begin to play her more? .. Hate the distracting strands of hair hanging around it, though. Maybe that's their purpose.

btw .. Faith looks too much like ClairEve in that preview. .. Well, I guess they are cousins. .. And boring MESSA on hand.

And MAJOR SPOILER for Monday:

Miss Connor eats SOUP !!

Josh Morrow's son now on B&B!

Like father, like son. Reminds me how hot I used to find Josh Morrow.

Back off, gramps. My son is only 19. Don’t be a perv.

^ Josh Morrow

Like father like son at 19? .. Isn't that about the age when Joshua went to have his 'tasteful' nudie photos taken?

Is Crew packing as big as his dad?

I wonder if his treasure trail is defined as dad's? You could tell his ass crack was furry too.

I don't watch B&B, but he's certainly better-looking than that chubby leprechaun they have playing R.J.

Hairy arms

My come hither look…

They couldn't have hired him on Y&R to play Noah?

What a stupid fucking name.

Damn, all I got to do was be in gay porn.

R454 Unfortunately, he's about 10 years too young to play Noah.

Haven’t you ever heard of deSORASing r447?

R456 KKL's son who did the Sean Cody videos actually played a very young Rick Forrester on B&B. IMDb credits him with appearing in 109 episodes between 1990-95.

R458 Not when Faith is being played by a 21-year old or when Audra was said to be fucking him two years ago and pregnant with his baby...lol

The thing with Tucker isn't too jarring, because TSJ looks older than he is and Walton looks younger than she is, and they're characters are both supposed to be 66 now. Plus, they're still playing Tucker as a peer of Ashley's who should be on Medicare now. They should have discussed that point when opting to put her in a French clinic instead of an American one.

Did TSJ quit or was he fired?

R461

Why do you say that?

R462 He gave this exit statement

R410 Maria Arena Bell, hell even Brad Bell for that matter, would've probably brought both Tricia and Mari Jo back by now

However, not advocating for the return of MAB in the least

R420 Brad Bell gave some sort of response before, when asked about Sheila's kids on Y&R. According to him, they're not acknowledging them as part of Sheila's history on B&B

R428 Reed should definitely return

R433 More than likely

R440 That would be perfect

R444 Interesting. Nick's real son as Victoria and Brad's son, but as mentioned already, he could've played Noah, or even Reed for that matter. They could've threw in comments about how much he looks like Nick, for it's rare when adult soap actors play opposite their real life family members, as fictional relatives, unless they're child actors. Deidre Hall/Andrea Hall on DOOL Marlena Evans/Samantha Evans and Heather Tom/David Tom as Kelly Cramer/Paul Cramer on OLTL are the only ones I can recall

R445 I can see the resemblance too

R451 Well, they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, even if its low hanging fruit

Lol that was for R449 at R472

I was too busy LMAO at R451 with the chubby leprechaun comment 🤣 🤣

Oh boy after Tucker's fake heart attack today, they'll probably write a cry wolf scene where Audra or Dull-von think Tucker is faking, and he isn't. I guess since Davidson has supposedly quit AGAIN they don't see a need for Tucker with the Victor/Jack feud gassing up again.

Trevor St. John was not a good fit for Y&R. He looked bored most of the time, understandably. It was a boring storyline.

And they never really tried to explore Tucker's relationship with Devon very hard.

Just gave some passing attention to it at first and pretty much dropped it. Tucker's purpose on the canvas was clearly for the Ashley storyline and nothing else.

Soap Digest now covering TSJ departure

Deadline too

A bummer, because TSJ is great and YR completely wasted him. He was just Middle Age Vaguely Menacing Handsome Dad #5 To The Left, after Linden Ashby, Richard Burgi, Robert Newman, et al.

The "Tuckers come, Tuckers go" phrasing makes me think this wasn't TSJ's choice.

Sorry, but the Tucker character has never been a huge hit with me. .. And I absolutely loathe seeing TSJ's rendition grovel and try to win DuhVon's favor. The ungrateful idiot son forgets that it was Tucker who found the doctor and experimental surgery that restored his hearing. .. And don't we all miss the days when DuhVon was typing out his lines on a keyboard? ..lol.

One thing I will say about St. John, though, I rather liked his sardonic take on all things Genoa City. Those scenes where he'd be sitting at the GCAC bar, slightly drunk and making cynical, deadpan comments about the townfolk, were hilarious.

Never been a fan of Tucker and TSJ, but I called it about a year into his run he would leave. Who wants to play a loser all the time? And when are they going to let the prick Duhvon go now? Bryton fuckface has long outlived his welcome on this show.

Instead of that very boring, dowdy-looking woman who's serving as Tucker's private secretary in Paris, they should have hired a hot, young twunk for the role.

So at least when pathetic-looser Tucker is shown defeated, the boy could cheer him up with some real French. (Plus, it's an absolute certainty that he'd have to be tighter than Audra!)

Then, they could have played this development as part of Tucker's exit story, eventually showing him leave Genoa City with this devoted young man by his side.

Upon hearing this, Esther would then remind everyone that Tucker's mother was bisexual as well. .. We'd then hear the ditz repeat the story that Brock once relayed to her about Mrs. C. and JoAnn. "Like mother, like son!" she'd conclude.

Kent's credit showed up today.

Eileen Davidson has been interviewed about how much she loves playing the DID storyline and the altars. They have set up a huge ominous mystery of what traumatic thing happened to her in her childhood to trigger the altars in the first place, nothing to do with Tucker. I doubt that she quit again, more likely they gave her a summer break “while she is being triggered at a mental facility” and she will at least return to wrap up storyline.

Sorry, R484, is Davidson out again?

What do we think of Claire modeling the new Little House on the Prairie collection?

Will Kyle be taking Claire’s virginity?

Claire will be pivoting to Billy, which will drive Victoria to join her mother at the bottom of a vodka bottle.

Eileen's never really "in" to be "out." .. She continues to work on non-contract, recurring status, and if/when they have story for "Ashley", she simply agrees when and how long she'll appear.

And speaking of recurring, I noticed our lovely "Chance," Connor Floyd, is no longer listed with the contract actors.

If only, R488. If only...

On the positive side: I thought the scene between Billy and Abby where she was expressing hurt about being out-of-the-loop about her mother's DID was very well-written and acted. .. And gosh, if that isn't the second time in the last month where I thought Ordway did a really good job. .. Eleven years in the role, and ....

On the negative side: Who casts these kids? The kid playing Johnny isn't equipped for anything beyond underfive work, and this Katie is just bad. .. And I'm laughing at how everyone is going to live in The Tack House. .. I know Old Bitchtoria got permission from Daddy to expand the place beyond the one room with the bed in the middle that we used to see, but it's now a four bedroom house? ... with a kitchen that's smaller than a motel kitchenette? .. I guess this is what getting $500 million in a lawsuit and working as a CEO at a multinational for years and years gets you.

Neutral: I generally liked having Graz back as Daniel, but now I don't think there's much left to do. .. If Daniel, Heather, and Old Lady Lucy picked up and moved back to Savannah, I wouldn't care. .. Here's a thought .. Have totally useless Syphilis in the backseat of the car as well.

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If it were Billy Miller's Billy then I completely understand but JT's version? hard pass

Lmao Abby bemoaning why no one in the family confides in her or tells her anything. Newsflash Abby-no one takes you seriously because you’re a fucking idiot. Exhibit A-marrying the biggest asshole in town Duhvon over Chance. You know the one, who threatened to take you and Chance to court over your kid, when he reneged on signing away his parental rights. Dumb bitch.

R486 That was so fucking bad that it became a distraction, dominating the entire scene.

R492, I would much rather find Jason Thompson in my bed than pudgy Billy Miller, RIP.

I have nothing against Thompson, but has he ever seen the inside of a gym?

Miller was hot during his AMC and Y&R days, especially if one had a thing for pecs. (Never watched GH.)

LOL at Claire's doily blouse, and did Heinle wake up with that bad hairdo? The little girl playing Katie has resting bitch face, so maybe there's potential there. Have any of them mentioned Reid? Is he still in that band with the girl who has to shit all the time?

I was surprised how fug the girl was playing Katie. This is the best they could do? Casting on these shows has gone right down the crapper.

Tristan Lake Leabu (Reed) is busy being the cool, long-haired '70s throwback leader of his own band in LA.

The funniest thing about Leabu's "Reed" is that his hair generally looked better-styled than his mother's.

ftr - They'd need to recast him as well.

Heinle's hair routinely looks like a rat nest.

R501 Even Pinched Sphincter had better hair.

Ratings are down. The producers have asked me to pinch my sphincter too.

I always laugh at these eye-rolling Victor-DuhVon scenes, as if Victor would even give CueBall the time of day if he hadn't gotten Kay's $2.7 billion. Did I hear Victor refer to him as "Brotha?" LOL .. Hans was mumbling again.

JaBottom and ClairEve have zero zip zilch nada chemistry. .. It's hilarious to think that he was recently steaming up the sheets with Audra, yet now be interested in someone as dull as dishwater Claire. Another case pointing to how this soap has too few men in this age range.

Johnny hangs out with girls? .. He better watch that wrist action, or is it just that he's left-handed?

Miss Connor does NOT approve of Johnny's friends, and will be addressing the situation upon her return from Arkham.

I don’t know how anyone can watch the Connor, Chelsea, Adam scenes. I always ff through them. I never could stand the kid playing him. And is there any doubt Miss Connor will be just fine anyway?

Jason Thompson was handsome when he was at GH and when he first arrived at YR.....

But it's the weirdest fucking thing.....his face has slowly morphed into looking almost just like Aunt Jack's.

R489 Connor Floyd's recurring now? Well that's not a good sign. Wonder if either GH or DOOL will try to scoop him up.

R508 Yeah, when they rolled the cast credits last week, Floyd's name was down at the end with the recurring cast (because he was played on June 13). But this week, his name didn't appear at all, because he wasn't played. I'm guessing they cut him prior to his last 26-week cycle, because his first air date was in November (2021). Recall, posters here were already wondering where he was in May.

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I assume this is meant to celebrate Morrow's 30th Anniversary with the show. (btw, longtime viewers will probably begin to tear up during Nick's final scene with Nikki and Victor, coz Morrow himself looks/sounds like he's about to start crying.)

Mini-Spoiler for Friday:

Before all the Nick Newman-centric material kicks-in (celebrating Joshua Morrow's 30 YEARS with Y&R), Faith returns home and briefly mentions that Moses broke up with her.

Apparently, Moses thinks they got together too young and now wants to "date other people" and "experience different relationships," telling Faith that's part of the college experience. .. Gee, I wonder if he's joined the slutty college boys at FraternityX .. lol

Edit at R509

Ignore the last paragraph in that reply, It was mistakenly attached there and doesn't apply to Conner Floyd's change in status.

R509 Damn. Well that sure does seem to align with a 26 week cycle; they've never really seemed to know what to do with him anyway, but he's by far one of, if not the hottest guy on the show. Such a shame to let him go to waste.

I was actually wondering if you were mentioning his recurring status being somehow related to Joshua Morrow; though I understand now it's unrelated. However, thanks for referencing it; I haven't watched Y&R regularly in awhile, so I had no idea they were giving him a stand alone celebratory episode, in honor of his 30 year anniversary.

R510 Moses is probably attending many frat parties, while also engaging in "experimentation" every way possible, including having threesomes, group sex with various girls, sharing them with his college buddies (sharing toys too lol)

The big mistake was not positioning Chance and Noah as romantic partners from the week they started. That would have been worth watching. It would have been so easy to use "because he likes guys" as the real reason Chance didn't want to come home from whatever war-torn country he was languishing in. The fact that Noah and Chance were related through Abby would only have heightened the conflict.

But noooooooooooooooo.

Noah? Yeah, that would have worked. .. But I also remember that when they first brought Conner Floyd in there was this HUGE SECRET between Chance and Adam related to something that happened between the two men in Vegas. .. This was when Adam had amnesia and was living as "Spider," and Chance was there working undercover. .. Two guys, each having different identities other than who they actually are? Why not? Sounds like Grindr. .. And everyone knows what they say about Vegas..lol.

I imagine a flip-flop would have been Incredible & Amazing.

Faith's dress is about as fashionable for a young person as ClairEve's doily blouse. The new cousins should have fun shopping together.

Even wearing camera-slimming black pants, Mariah's got quite a caboose on her! .. Loved seeing "Squirt" though. Grimes is one of the best child actors this show ever had. .. Memo to the current casting folks: They ARE out there. Try a little harder.

Wartman .. Always a hoot.

Awww .. Josh seemed like he was about to start crying for real in his final scene with Hans & Mel.

NEXT WEEK ON THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS: Geez .. Mamie's like a bad case of diarrhea that won't go away.

Mamie’s presence is about as welcome as an anal wart.

Mamie is so annoying. The actress can’t act! Kate Linder will get an emmy before whoever plays Mamie.

I just started watching the very special Josh Morrow episode. I haven’t watched regularly in a while. I have a few questions, if you guys will indulge me.

A) Is this a new Faith? 2) The man’s silhouette in the opening walking with the woman (Stafford still?)), is that a new touch? D) Sharon Case wearing her hair like Joan Van Ark to cover her face?

Thank you!

While I generally appreciate these episodes celebrating an actor's anniversary with the show, this Josh Morrow one seemed especially weak.

The flashback clips just seemed randomly selected, especially the ones from the 90s.

R520, Still, I appreciated all the shirtless clips.

Sharon Case really needs to stop fucking with her face. The contrast between now and the flashbacks is startling.

R522, Well, we’re talking thirty years.

Moo-riah gets my vote as "Most Changed."

Moo-riah should never ever ever go sleeveless with those fat arms.

Man, all the shaming of Camryn Grimes is disgusting. Telling someone to keep her arms covered up is eerily similar to all the homophobes who tell gays to cover up/hide their true selves.

Fraus are gonna love Traci and Alan, and after Monday's episode, Y&R should think about taking advantage of a huge product placement opportunity for K-Y Liquibeads.

Remember when Doris rolled into town to tell Sharon that she'd actually been carrying triplets, but Moo-riah ate one in the womb? That was a 3 hanky episode to remember.

R519 Speaking of Joan Van Ark, she showed up at the Project Angel Food telethon in L.A. Saturday evening and it's just kinda sad.

All 3 women look like they’re wearing masks, even Donna Mills who usually looked the best.

More budget cuts coming.

R531 Well duh. No one’s watching on Peacock. Even that Queen Jason47 had to walk back his ‘scoop’ that Days hit the Top 10 in streaming. The numbers he reported were false, unbeknownst to Queen Jason47. He had an orgasm and reported the incorrect numbers that were supplied to him. Days appears to be tanking on the ‘Cock.

^ Oh fuck. That was meant for the Days thread. Fuggetabout it.

Calm your tits. Days is a top 10 performer, 5 days a week, on Peacock. They spend way more money on shit nobody ever sees.

The core audience for Y&R is (literally) dying off, which is probably why Griffith and Co. don't try very hard.

Average age of a Y&R viewer?

Y&R and Bold have the highest average age viewers. GH has the youngest at 63.

"What accounts for the continued decrease in eyeballs? The average age of the daytime viewers may have something to do with it. While GH remains the youngest skewing daytime drama at 68.1, all three of the soaps have seen their boomer fans age up this season versus last year. The GH average viewer age is up 4 percent from 65.6 to 68.1; Y&R is up 1 percent from 69.6 to 68.7, and B&B is up 2 percent from 68.2 to 69.4."

Damn, GH went up big time. Not good.

I don’t watch GH, but isn’t it generally considered the best soap on air right now? It consistently win the best drama daytime Emmy. And apparently it’s not on auto pilot with actors phoning it in, especially with YR and BB.

R539 GH has been hogging the Emmys for years, even when it sucks. Can't put too much stock in the Daytime Emmys, but truthfully, all the soaps are so bad right now.

Some soaps are far more talented when it comes to deciding which of their whole two episodes out of 250 for the year that they're going to submit. Same with actors and their under 15-minute reels.

R529... Michelle Lee doesn't look like Michelle Lee anymore, but Van Ark honestly made me gasp. Jesus. Poor woman.

Jill Farren Phelps was better at submitting for the Emmys than Josh.

Despite being #1 for generations, Y&R for some reason was never considered the "hot" soap like Days and GH were in the 90's. Maybe Y&R for a brief period in the 80's was considered hot. Even when Y&R was at its most popular, it never won the now-defunct Soap Opera Digest Award for Best Show. Y&R had more viewers, but I guess they weren't the type who bought soap magazines.

[quote]I don’t watch GH, but isn’t it generally considered the best soap on air right now?

It looks the best. Great sets and, mostly, decent acting. But the writing is awful and the wardrobe is comical.

[quote]Y&R for some reason was never considered the "hot"

It was considered groundbreaking in 1973 because of casting and the way it was lit and the provocative storytelling, and other soaps copied it, but at some point in the 80s it became your Grammy's soap opera. Highly rated and beautiful production values, but you are right it was never considered the "hot" soap. YR has always been very popular with black audiences in ways that GH and Days never were.

Y&R was basically ATWT with prettier people.

R541 I agree with the reels. It all boils down to them. I’ve just read some things here and there about GH being really good. I thought it’s maybe more than a coincidence that it gets good reviews, and wins a lot at the Daytime Emmys.

As I recall, the SOD Awards were rife with ballot stuffing and fan club voting blocks.

R548 But why was nobody ever compelled to stuff the ballots for Y&R?

R546, I think that insults ATWT.

R549 For years, Y&R's fan club was administered by a woman who was an actual employee at the soap with Bell Dramatic Serial Co. She never would have allowed crap like that to go on.

The crazy Max Ehrich ex-straight Fen, is 33 today. Has he begged Selena Gomez to marry him lately?

I think the traditional Bill Bell-style of storytelling (long, drawn-out stories that can take years to tell from beginning to end), while popular with the masses, was never hip.

Man, Bill could drive you insane with the way he could drag out a storyline. I mean, it worked, but I'm sure there was some sadism in there too.

Is Max Erich any closer to that OnlyFans? His socials seem to have gotten quite modest. Or am I confusing him with some other barely working Fen?

R554 I always chuckle when I hear people say they want to go back to the Bill Bell show they grew up with. Today's audiences could NOT handle that style of show anymore. They lose interest if something huge doesn't happen every day.

When did the Y&R characters stop singing to each other?

R555 straight Fen (Ehrich) doesn’t seem to do much other than thirst traps. Gay Fen (Tinker) doesn’t do much other than thirst traps.

But in real life, isn't straight Fen gay and gay Fen straight?

Miss Connor better watch out. Katie Rose is coming for that tween cunt crown.

Truly the weirdest soap credit in history is “Executive in Charge” Steve Kent. What the fuck does that mean????

sometimes it's called Executive in Charge of Production.

The best thing I can say about Kent is that he's extremely loyal to his friends; he keeps Josh Griffith in place even though he's written the show into the ground.

CBS managed to walk away with some acting wins at the DT Emmys. Sure, the actors had the reels. But GH swept show, writing, directing because -- despite its recent failures -- was the best show not only last year but the last several.

Frank, I swear, is the only man who gives a crap.

Everyone else is just raking in the money.

[quote] “Executive in Charge” Steve Kent. What the fuck does that mean????

It means: "My position at Sony Pictures got eliminated in the latest reorganization shuffle, and since I've already been working there under "The Peter Principle," they came up with this meaningless, catchall job title for me at Y&R, as I'm still several years away from retirement and want a decent golden parachute when I do go, dammit."

GH is so good it changes head writers every two years!

And Frank stole that strategy from Y&R which blew through five head writers in seven years (2012-19).

Is that sad pathetic psychotic fat old queen who makes unhinged posts about posters on soap opera message boards and constantly spams Y&R threads with that unfunny hideously photoshopped "Scoche Marin" forced meme still here?

He was just as annoying as GPG.

Steve Kent must be able to retire by now. He’s ancient. He won’t stop until he kills Y&R which is as dead as Jeanne Cooper.

Steve wants to milk that Sony tit for doing practically next to nothing for as long as he can.

What position will Alan find most feasible when he and Traci hit the sheets?

Swimming and riding and movie night, oh my!

Since Traci didn't invite Alan to stay, he had to rush home and fire up his BBW Granny porn.

Here's a tip for Alan ...

Whatever you do, don't get her into the corner of the sofa.

Those are her knee caps pressed together, and you may need a crane to get her out.

The real Jack Abbott.

Terry tried out for NuSnapper when Y&R needed to replace Espy and got pissed off when he didn't get it, with the show going with Hasselhoffenburger instead. He told his agent to never send him on another soap audition (later admitting how immature he was).

Five years later Bill Bell still remembered him and created Jack Abbott with him in mind.

Alan rubbing Traci’s titties makes me moist - down there!

Poor Terry. A big homo who had the aids.

Traci's late-in-life pregnancy will culminate with her eating the placenta during February sweeps.

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fuck he was gorgeous and charismatic

Did Terry and Thom do to the homosex together?

Who's idea was it to have Traci's "funny story" that she told Alan be about her ordering too much seafood she couldn't eat?

Are we to believe that?

She's supposed to be the book smart one, yet she doesn't know that a kilo is a little over two pounds?

R579 Possible proof Josh Griffith is a DataLounger.

Dear Gawd in Heaven .. I actually enjoyed DuhVon and Lily sniping at each other .. pretty entertaining scene, and Nate standing there watching them like a tennis match, funny.

The bigger issue, though, is I really don't care who owns or runs Chancellor-Winters and/or whether the company splits up into Abbot-Chancellor and Winters-Whatever.

Eventually Abbott-Chancellor-Winters will merge with Newman Enterprises, Forrester Creations and Spencer Publications if this nonsense keeps up.

I don’t understand (I may be missing something, but this show is usually too dumb for me to give too much thought), but what it is Lily and Duhfuckfaces goal here? She wants Billy to think she’s will be running CW with him. But ultimately that’s not what Lily wants and she and her shithead brother are going to stage some kind of coup again Billy and Jill? If they split the company, Billy will still be there. If they don’t Billy will still be there. How is Billy going to be pushed aside when he has Jill’s power at the company. Jesus. Just split it up everyone go their separate ways. Duhfuckface calls Billy a tool lmao. Bitch the only tool around is when you look in the mirror. I’m hopeful with TSJ leaving Bryton asshole will be given his walking papers soon.

I think we're stuck with Bryton. He's been there over 20 years now, and he's like the senior AA actor on the show. .. And it was Griffith, during his 2012-13 stint as HW, who wrote Kay's last will and testament, which ultimately turned CueBall into some kind of billionaire "power player."

R584 unfortunately one of his pet actors. One can hope he will be axed. We still have Nate and Lily, whom I don’t mind nearly as much. Bryton plays this bastard in such an obnoxious way. And the other characters sing his praises like he’s black Jesus or something. Griffith needs to go to. Most of the show is unwatchable nowadays.

I spend more time fast forwarding rather than viewing Y&R these days.

Cricket and Danny will be doing a B&B crossover, because he's on a "world tour," you know, and one of their stops is Los Angeles.

I'm guessing RockOn's playing the lounge at the Lucky Strike Bowling Alley in Hollywood.

Will Traci be throwing her granny panties from the cheap seats?

R588 Could be an opportunity to have a promotional tie-in with Depend® Plus for Women!

Did Traci join Weight Watchers yet?

If Alan wants Traci to sing for him, maybe they can go to the Eiffel Tower, and she can dance around it while singing the Jardiance tune.

R591, Constructive reinforcement may be necessary.

Aunt Jack said he saw Allie in Paris and she loves having Traci there. Thinking they might leave Traci over there for awhile to be with Alan. I wonder if anyone ever visits Cousin Theo, though. You'd think Jackie would want to check up on him running Dina's Boutique and take advantage of the 2-for-1 Summer Sale on Grandma's favorite edible underwear.

If JaBottom really wants to be fully in charge of something, then Only Fans would be the way to go. He could then do what he wants and pick and choose his collabs.

Another mental health story? This time with Sharon's meds?

From Friday's preview for Next Week:

ugh. You had to know that with that BIG bed on display in the out-of-town hotel room, that they'd go there with Adam and Chelsea.

When is Aunt Jordan going to kidnap Miss Connor and turn him into her new murderous protege?

There’s something about JaBottom’s mouth. It looks like he’s given many a BJ.

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[quote] There’s something about JaBottom’s mouth. It looks like he’s given many a BJ

Ya think?

They must get so tired of wearing suits as costumes. Apparently business casual and get your freak on Friday haven't hit Genoa City yet.

Aunt Jack loves wearing his sock garters and fancy dress shoes with a Cuban heel.

nobody wants Traci on the Eiffel Tower.