Who Are The Meanest Celebrities? Take two!

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JLo.

JLo.

JLo.

Hateful UK TV stars Clive Swift and Wendy Richard would come out of the bag like pissy vipers at any fan who dared to recognize them on the street.

It wasn't just doing take after take. Herbert Ross would also shout at and berate Roberts and Dolly Parton to the point that McClaine and Field would step in and say that's enough.

The stories about his abuse have been around forever.

Sally Field seems to me she should be over in the Nicest Celebrities topic. I wonder if she's nice and down-to-earth on real life.

Sorry and please carry on...

Denzel Washington

Tommy Lee Jones

Was Herbert Ross Lee Radziwell's husband?

Oh yes, there's a story about Lee taking some VIP's seat at the premiere of Steel Magnolias. I'm sure one of you remembers and can tell the story better than I.

They were the Walses seat, as in the Prince and Princess, Charles and Diana.

Lee made such a scene about demanding Julia Roberts' seat in the front row that Diana moved out if the way thinking she and Charles were encroaching. Lee effectively kicked the ingenue Julia out and scuttled Royal seating arrangements.

Julia in tears, the Waleses looking around wondering why they or their advance team had dropped the ball. Lee *Triumphant* according to our Herbert Ross troll: Lee took Julia's seat.

[quote]Sally Field seems to me she should be over in the Nicest Celebrities topic. I wonder if she's nice and down-to-earth on real life.

She's a Big Pharma shill. Fuck that bitch.

I found a post on Reddit about the Rebecca Ferguson blind from the last thread re the actor who yelled at her so much she did the rest of her scenes speaking to the back of his head and people seem to think it was Hugh Grant.

R11 really holds a grudge; those Sally Field Boniva commercials are about 20 years old. Does Miss R11 hold the same contempt for Gaga and Cyndi Lauper for being big pharma shills? At least they're current and not from the early 2000s.

Captain Kangaroo aka Bob Keenan was known to be a bully behind the scenes of his show.

Bob KEESHAN not Keenan

Not Captain Kangaroo!!!

Andy Cohen

[quote] Not Captain Kangaroo!!!

You should have seen Miss Louise on Romper Room!

I also read a story somewhere that Daryl Hannah stayed for every take when she didn't have to because the coverage didn't require her to but she didn't abandon Julia. They all did. Instead of having stand ins play it out. They would all stay for coverage when Herbert was being an asshole. True story on Lee. She took Julia's seat and had her sitting away from the rest of the cast.

Lee Radziwill was a worthless, untalented, useless, toxic cunt who achieved nothing her entire life.

David O' Russell is a well known asshole too who was nasty to Amy Adams on American Hustle and Christian Bale almost had a fight with him. Bale and Adams are very good "friends" and apparently have had an off and on affair for years. He is very very fond of her. And he hates everyone.

Why did Lee Radziwill believe herself to be some sort of accomplished figure?

Selena Gomez seems like a little snot/mean girl

Marlo Thomas

R19 what a cunt that Lee bitch was. The joke was on her. That girl she so dismissed would go on to become a Hollywood legend.

Lee was a legend in her own mind

Buddy Hackett

Don Rickles

Don Rickles was not mean. That was his act--the original insult comic. In real life, he was lovely.

Ben Kingsley is a shit.

r23, Selena Gomez seems more like a robot to me, and I should know.

Julia Roberts is no walk in the park.

R27 Mark Goddard wrote in one of his books about how kind Buddy Hackett was to him when he was starting out.

And no, it wasn’t sexual you perv.

I don't know about r11 but I hold in contempt any celeb who's a Big Pharma shill.

[quote] Why did Lee Radziwill believe herself to be some sort of accomplished figure?

She was even more useless than Arlene Francis and Kitty Carlisle. At least they had jobs.

Lee was in constant competition with Jackie O. Jackie married a president, Lee married a prince. Jackie married a billionaire, Lee married Hollywood royalty, It was no contest Jackie always won. No matter who she married or what she did, she was Lee Radziwell, Jackie O's relative.

I don't think Herbert Ross was quite Hollywood royalty (maybe I'm wrong. He might have been bigger than I realized). He wasn't a great director by any stretch, though I guess he was a producer, too, and rich, so, okay, never mind.

R34 And such useful jobs!

Do we need to read through all of Thread 1 to figure out who hasn't been mentioned yet?

Madonna. She’s a bitter cunt in every interview I have ever seen her

Lou Reed

Don Rickles was well regarded and generally liked by most everyone who knew him in real life.

Sean Penn has certainly been mean on occasion.

R33, yes, sweeping generalizations are always a good thing.

Because we all know that there have never been any beneficial medications.

We are lucky to have someone with your wisdom posting here.

IIRC, at least one DLer has mentioned Alan Alda being a mega prick.

Maybe ol' Julia needed to be taken down a peg or two, hmm?

Mike Nichols tried to humiliate anyone he thought below him. Which meant most people. He was an insufferable prick. People he fucked over like George Grizzard and Mandy Patinkin never forgave him. Oh, Mandy played nice when Mike was near death, but no one forgives assholes.

R43 It's the elevated price people have to pay for the medications, you moron.

(As well as the lobbying power and govt. influence of Big Pharma, among other things.)

R46 what did he do to them?

Chevy Chase

Bill Murray

A friend of mine worked in a hotel in LA as a receptionist.

Christina Crawford was reportedly one of the most insufferable and nasty guests she’d ever encountered.

Years ago a DLer who worked at a hotel described Maria Shriver as "the witchiest witch who ever witched".

R47, grow up. Sally is good people. Your rigid rules are embarrassing in an adult. Maybe you’re a teen, in which case your brainpower will improve.

R53 Unlike yours.

And I didn't make any comments about Sally Field.

R49-He replaced George Grizzard with Larry Hagman the night before shooting on "Primary Colors" was to begin. George found out by phone from an assistant to Mike.

The Mandy story and how Mike humiliated him on the "Heartburn" set is legendary.

Wasn't Grizzard in the original (stage) Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

[quote] The Mandy story and how Mike humiliated him on the "Heartburn" set is legendary.

I never heard it.

Lea Fucking Thompson. Cunt.

Wasn't the problem with "Heartburn" that Patinkin was giving notes to both Streep AND Nichols? THAT'S why he got shit-canned.

R59

Really? That's disappointing to hear. Rumor or documented story?

I can't believe y'all haven't mentioned me yet, the biggest cunt who ever cunted.

Faye Dunaway is no walk in the park.

I think I shared this on the other thread, but am too lazy to go scroll/search. I worked a charity event about 15 yrs ago. Mandy Patinkin was a guest and he was horrid. He really thought he was the star of this huge bash (dozens and dozens of celebrities and very wealthy people). He was just unbelievably (and very unjustifiably) rude to everyone - other guests, our servers, the hosts, etc. It was strange and shocking - like he showed up super pissed off.

Clive Swift was utterly and indefensibly nasty in interviews.

R65

I've read that quite often about him and seen some interviews where he was really snotty. Makes me wonder, though, why Patricia Routledge continued to do stage work with him when they were on hiatus from the show.

[quote] Mike Nichols tried to humiliate anyone he thought below him. Which meant most people. He was an insufferable prick. People he fucked over like George Grizzard and Mandy Patinkin never forgave him.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Mandy Patinkin is one of the most awful people in entertainment. He had the arrogance to give Meryl Streep detailed notes in front of everyone on the set of "Heartburn," which was in large part why Nichols fired him after the first day of shooting.

I am not a fan of Nichols as a person: by all accounts, he was a real son-of-a-bitch and extremely cold. But Mandy Patinkin has behaved throughout his career like a spoiled, needy, insecure, arrogant child. I cannot fault Nichols for firing him, and firing him quickly.

Rosie O' LESBO

Cybill Shepherd, of course. Almost no one who worked with her had anything good to say about her. Alan Ball was so permanently scarred by working with her he kept basing horrible characters on her in his later projects (like the Catherine O'Hara character in "Six Feet Under").

Joan Crawford

JLo really does seem to be a cunt for the ages. Are there actually any nice stories about that bitch? Everything seems to come down to her needing "respect" and being a complete cunt in every imaginable scenario. Yeah, yeah, sorry that everyone you grew up was a complete asshole, but maybe get that that isn't the fault of everybody who is doing some little task for you now.

Streisand had a hard time directing Patinkin in Yentl.

Streisand had a hard time directing Funny Girl, too, because William Wyler wouldn't let her.

R62 It must be cold there in my shadow....

Su Sarandon

Catherine O'Hara's character on Six Feet Under was apparently not an exaggeration. That was exactly what Cybil was like IRL. I feel stressed just imagining working for a person that insane.

R75- I wonder if Cybil was that NUTS when she was young and beautiful in the 1970's or if being over the hill caused this.

Lots of Memphis folks with horror stories about Cybil..and her crazy brother, too.

I don’t know for sure, but Liev Schreiber seems like a complete asshole.

A friend of mine worked on a movie with Donald Sutherland and said her was a total jerk.

I would not have expected Donald Sutherland. That's interesting. What was the movie?

Cybil Young and Beautiful

Cybil

NOT young and NOT beautiful

Cybill was pretty, but model pretty? Like Halle Berry…pretty…for TELEVISION.

Let me tell you something about Deb Messing...

I know 4 people who have met John Cusack and it’s 2-2 for whether he is mean or nice. FWIW the ones who said he was an asshole were huge fans previously.

Kiefer Sutherland

Jerry Seinfeld and his bitchy wife have an awful reputation with servers and retail staff in NYC.

Jerry and his wife are obnoxious, if only because of the way they bum rushed her first husband. Rotten thing to do to someone.

Jerry and Jessica Seinfeld are both awful.

R31 maybe you should have signed that post Vera.

Rex Harrison. Womanizing bigot who tried to bed most of his leading ladies. His mistress committed suicide because he refused to marry her. Miss Carole Landis.

Supposedly, eternal "nice guy" Tom Hanks, is a raging drunk oft times.

R63. Faye is one of the biggest cunts in Hollywood.

Tiffany Haddish.

Take her keys.

Was Steve Harvey mentioned?

Charm school dropout James Corden.

R95 A fat, disordered, piece of shit.

R35, Lee slept with both of Jackie’s husbands.

R67, Mike Nichols was tormented by his closeted homosexuality.

R91 The ugliest A-list actor ever.

Will never understand the appeal.

Christian Bale and Amy Adams would not surprise me at if they had an affair as reported. They work really well together and by all accounts always connected. They've done 3 or 4 films together.

Mike Nichols was friends with both Meryl Streep and Julia Roberts. Him and Diane Sawyer were very connected.

Very connected as in married, R101?

R78 Parker Posey implied/confirmed it in her book.

Alec Baldwin

Bob Hope always seemed like a self entitled jerk who used negative humor to put people down.

loo reed

[quote] She's a Big Pharma shill. Fuck that bitch.

So you’re an antivaxxer.

r105 meet r40

R*2 Cybill was a very successful model. She wasn't that gorgeous but she had a fresh look at the time and if you see her in The Last Picture Show it's obvious she was hot.

[quote] ...who used negative humor to put people down.

Like Joan Rivers? I've heard Bob Hope could be annoying but I never heard he was mean.

This is a Joan Rivers Rosenberg Memorial Thread.

For all his great success Mike Nichols was not it seems a happy man. As I recall his biography relates that, into his maturity, he saw a psychiatrist. To whom he outlined his success, and contentment in his (fourth) marriage. Why then did he so often feel unhappy? 'Because you're you', came the reply.

Early life trauma, plus a lifetime donning wig and false eyebrows, naturally had their impacts. Sad to read he could be nasty, but I'll go on enjoying the best of his work.

Sting. Heard he can be a pompous asshole. And wife is no angel. Treats staff horrible. One of the reasons they really don’t live in England anymore. People were calling them out on shit.

The only ones I can say with certainty would be Dunaway, Patinkin, Madonna and Marlow Thomas. Lee R, yes- but I don’t consider her much of anything.

Many seem difficult but the above each have a lot of documented stuff from their own peers.

R113, There was a time when Lauren Bacall would own this thread.

I have a double encounter with Madonna and Rosie. I got on an elevator at CBS where I worked and as the door closed someone yelled "could you hold the elevator?" so I stuck myhand out to keep it from closing. In walks Madonna and Rosie. Rose looks at me and says "thanks." then goes, "don't I know you?" I told her we had met previously at the Apache, a gay bar in the valley. Rosie goes "so I don't know you." Madonna then laughs and says "leave the help alone."

Sinatra could be a kind and generous benefactor, or a spiteful, vengeful son of a bitch. And he could flip on a dime.

Julia Roberts ain't gonna win no Sweetheart Princess contest with anyone who's worked with her. Just sayin', cause I've got actor friends who have stories and receipts.

But that doesn't mean she didn't get bullied on the STEEL MAGNOLIAS set.

Yes R14. I got to know her a bit. She was just mean, rude, cheap- chip on her shoulder. She was not grand really and if you barked back she backed down I found. In that sense she kind of an ordinary grump. Smart too.

R115, Madonna really is a creep.

r119 I think she thought she was being funny. I just shut up and retreated to a corner in the elevator. They talked and got off a floor before me and no longer acknowledged my presence. I deal with celebrities every day so I am used to attitudes.

Janelle Monae

[quote][Tom Hanks is] the ugliest A-list actor ever.

SAY!

R113. “Marlow Thomas”: she defines the Heart of Darkness

Cybill Shepherd and Peter Bogdanovich had an open affair on the set of The Last Picture Show. PB's wife, Polly Platt, was on set, working on the movie as well. PP curled CS's hair, made her look prettier on camera, etc.

CS and PB both sounded like assholes. Timothy Bottoms calls out CS here. I'm sorry I can't give you a time stamp.

I watched TLPS for the first time relatively recently and got caught up in the making of it.

R118 You're referring to Captain Kangaroo?

In the 80s/early 90s I used to wait on Mike Nichole regularly.

He had this thing about being extra charming, funny and solicitous, which was certainly nice, but a bit weird. It was as if he wanted me to like him a lot. He frequently asked my opinions about actors and movies we'd both seen. He told me his favorite actor was...Dorian Harewood!

His elderly father (J&B on the rocks...ONE!) was sometimes with him, and he was nice too. I believe he was generally unpleasant, but he was the opposite to me. I was a cute guy I think, maybe he was flirting?

*Nichols

grrrrrrr

Elderly father? Mike Nichols' father died when he was a boy.

Then who was that elderly guy pretending to be his father and ordering J&B on the rocks?

Joan Allen for the win!

Joan Allen?

Has Lea Michele been mentioned?

Ellen

Adam Levine (doesn't give autographs to ugly chicks)

R132, I'd like that about Levine. Does he tell them that?

[quote]R67 Mandy Patinkin has behaved throughout his career like a spoiled, needy, insecure, arrogant child. I cannot fault Nichols for firing him from HEARTBURN, and firing him quickly.

Wasn’t Patinkin fired from one of his recent TV series because the rest of the cast just could NOT stand him for another season?

R129, It was Richard Avedon having a bad day,

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

^Richard and Mike, reported to have been lovers.

Mike Nichols was HATED by everyone at the Compass Players -- he stole material, was mean to anyone who he thought was beneath him, sucked up to whoever could help him, etc. Elaine May was the only reason his career got off the ground, and he was terrible to her too. Joan Darling and Ted Flicker used to get drunk and tell terrible stories about Mike. Just an awful man, and of course, the only one in that crowd to really succeed at the level they all aspired to.

Isn't Mandy mentally ill?

Not a tard but like Trump mentally ill?

Reese With her spoon

Sylvia Sidney

Owen Wilson. Treats the help like shit.

Chevy Chase seems to operate on a level of pure hatred that seems to put most of these others in the shade.

Bacall gets much-deserved flack, for example, but she was a complete professional on set. She was capable of being gracious, complemented her colleagues and laced her barbs with a degree of wit.

Chase attacked directors, co-stars. writers, guest-stars, interviewers, anybody.

How do you out-asshole Bill Murray and Jim Belushi?

I read an account of his behavior on the dreadful film "Nothing But Trouble" that had him attacking everyone, Ackroyd included, to the point where I actually wound up feeling sorry for Demi Moore.

What sort of person meets 20-year-old Robert Downey Jr. and tells him that his father (who was indeed a mean SOB himself) was a washed-up has-been who went "straight to hell"? I mean, not like it's a lie, but...

That said, he was perfect in Vacation and Caddyshack.

R133 He said that to one fan

Surprised it took so long for someone to mention Ellen.

Lauren Bacall, at a fitting for a film project, stepped into a pair of expensive shoes chosen for her character. Matter-of-factly she told the costumer “honey…see that a pair a pair in each color is sent to my home”. The costumer, confused, asked if she meant to her dressing room (or possibly trailer on location) “No. My home.” Asked about the cost, she muttered “you just see that it’s taken care of.” And it was.

Terry Zwigoff had an interview on YouTube last year, now deleted, where he went into detail on what a complete bastard Billy Bob Thornton was to work with on Bad Santa, and how another director (i cant recall who) later had the same unbelievably bad experience with Thornton and resented Zwigoff for not having warned him

Julie Andrews once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

Stevie Nicks came to my hospital room to sing "Gold Dust Woman" and when she got to the line "Well, did she make you cry?/Make you break down?" she kicked me right in the cunt bone in front of Miss Linda from Make-a-Wish!

R146 Lauren Bacall, at a fitting for a film project, stepped into a pair of expensive shoes chosen for her character. Matter-of-factly she told the costumer “honey…see that a pair a pair in each color is sent to my home”. The costumer, confused, asked if she meant to her dressing room (or possibly trailer on location) “No. My home.” Asked about the cost, she muttered “you just see that it’s taken care of.” And it was. —“Miss Bacall asks that you not to speak to her”

The novel ‘Piece of Work’ is about Bacall. It’s written by a former assistant.

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[italic]Julia Einstein knew that being a stay-at-home mom had a lot in common with her former job as a celebrity publicist - endless, irrational demands, little to no appreciation, and constant hustle. But it isn't until her husband is laid off from his job and she's forced to go back to work and resurrect screen legend Mary Ford's career that Julia realizes how very much she prefers an actual child to a formerly famous client. "For example, her child doesn't steal ten-thousand-dollar leather coats from photo shoots. Nor does he require a constant, fresh supply of a soda that is no longer in production. He doesn't curse at Julia, pronounce her name "Einstein" with a thick layer of disdainful irony, or incessantly poke at her with his index finger while reciting odd variations on childlike rhymes like a psych patient on day pass. With a mortgage looming and three years out of the business, however, Julia knows she has no choice but to make Mary's comeback a success. Even if it kills her.""Which, at this pace, is a possibility. But if there is one thing Julia has learned from her time off from the office, it's that sheer determination can solve almost everything. After all, if she can get through suburban living with its uncontrolled clutter and playground politics, how hard can it be to resuscitate the career of an aging, desperate has-been? And get over the fact that her husband is a better stay-at-home mom than Julia ever was?"

R150, yet another whiny book written by the former PA to a person whose unpleasantness and/or eccentricity can be observed from Saturn?

I remember back in the early 2000's when these thing were churned out on a weekly basis.

In the tradition of "The Devil Wears Prada"..."God, How I Hated My Boss," written by Mimsy Fingercunt, former personal assistant for four whole days to Don Henley. In this, her first novel, Mimsy tells the tale of Fimsy Mindercunt, PA to Hon Denley...

I recently read a tidbit online about how Myrna Loy was very excited that Christina Crawford would be joining the touring company of Barefoot in the Park until Christina showed up with a nasty attitude and refused to take direction or listen to anyone. She was fired after a few weeks. I think theatre folk are less tolerant of nasty behavior which is why Mandy lost out on many opportunities after The Wild Party. Patti may be a bitch at times but she's a pro.

R134

Criminal Minds

R152, who are you talking about? Mandy Patinkin wasn’t in The Wild Party, and I’m not sure who Patti is.

R154. Patti as in LuPone, doll. And Mandy was in The Wild Party.

Honestly, I would say that's a reasonable guess r139. He just seems like somebody who should have long settled into his "national treasure" phase, calm, nothing to prove, everybody honored to work with him, etc. But instead, he just seems to have this maniacal need to be a complete asshole to everyone everywhere.

Thanks r155, I thought you were referring to the movie.

R157. Oh dear I forgot there was a movie!

Sally Field, in a quote at R5...

[quote] “I mean, I don’t mind notes, but I will argue if it doesn’t make sense to me,” she explained. “But if you’re gonna be mean to me, then you’re gonna find a warrior. I may be small, but you don’t want to do that.”

And I fully believe it.

Hugh Grant

The worst.

That Huffpost link insists nearly every celebrity is an "absolute dream," including Jennifer Lopez! What a waste of time.

Ellen Degeneres thread closed.

Yeah, once I got to Lopez as a dream in that Huffpost article, I was done reading bullshit.

[quote] Bacall gets much-deserved flack, for example, but she was a complete professional on set. She was capable of being gracious, complemented her colleagues and laced her barbs with a degree of wit.

This was true to a degree. Bacall valued her reputation with other actors and did want to be viewed as "total pro" However, there were notable moments where she was insecure enough to incur the wrath of theatre co-stars If anyone can resurrect the Nastiest Person of Broadway PART 1 there is some very entertaining gossip about Bacall in a Noel Coward revival on Broadway and her general cunting across a number of shows and issues. I searched DL for it, but it came up "expired"

R165, Rosemary Harris could not abide Bacall during Waiting in the Wings,

Isn't it thought that Bacall lost the Best Supporting Actor Oscar because her contemporaries don't like her?

It's always interesting to see this dish about Bacall because Bogart was known for not putting on airs or throwing his weight around, despite being one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. I wonder why she never absorbed any of his democratic attitude toward those around her?

Bogart was not necessarily well-loved. Someone who knew him said it was about 50-50, for and against. He loved to needle people and start fights /arguments between people, then stand back and watch them and think it was funny. He and Bacall had dogs that kept the neighbors up all night, but he didn't care. He could be a pain in the ass but also a lot of people thought he was great.

I think being married to Bogey (especially so young) toughened Betty quite a bit. He was a hardcore alcoholic who frequently disappeared to go on benders aboard his boat, and who also enjoyed brawling while he was drunk. Can't have been easy to live with that, then while she was still quite young he became such and eventually died with her having to watch his excruciating death.

None of the above is an excuse, but I think the way Bacall acted later on owed a lot to her choice to marry and have kids with first alcoholic, then another..

I have worked with Jennifer Lopez on three separate charity events. She has always been lovely and to my surprise, she remembered me and my name after the first one. Take that for what it is but I have never had a bad interaction with her or her people. I met her mother the first time and she was super nice.

R171 = Jennifer Lopez

Friends were at a party recently,where Debra Messing was also a guest. They said she couldn’t have been nicer, was friendly to everyone (nobody else was famous) and she even took pictures with anyone who asked

r173 that's because she is not famous anymore.

r173 = Debra Messing

[quote]Bogart was not necessarily well-loved. Someone who knew him said it was about 50-50, for and against. He loved to needle people and start fights /arguments between people, then stand back and watch them and think it was funny. He and Bacall had dogs that kept the neighbors up all night, but he didn't care. He could be a pain in the ass but also a lot of people thought he was great.

Louise Brooks wrote that Bogart off-camera was like the character whom he played in Nicholas Ray's film In a Lonely Place-- a volatile insecure man with a horrible temper and a drinking problem. I found Bogart so unpleasant in that movie that I wondered what on earth Gloria Grahame's character saw in him. He is abusive towards her and even gets involved in what we would now call a road rage incident.

I know someone who worked with Peter O'Toole in his elder years and said he was a pompous jerk

Is it safe to say it would be easier to list which celebrities are [bold]NOT[/bold] mean?

Interesting, 176. I know I've read that others had a high opinion of his character. It's not too surprising, since many hardcore drinkers who are perfectly pleasant sober become rageful and abusive when they've been drinking.

R146 Uma Thurman tried to pull a similar stunt. She demanded her costumes be sent to her home in the early morning of each shooting day so she could wear them before she left for the studio. Of course this implied a couple of people would have to be there to finish the fitting. I didn't work for her. The costume people said no.

Uma Thurman < Lauren Bacall, R180

R21 I can see how they could connect. They've done 3 films together that I can think of and they are really good together.

Ben Stiller

[quote]Friends were at a party recently,where Debra Messing was also a guest. They said she couldn’t have been nicer, was friendly to everyone (nobody else was famous) and she even took pictures with anyone who asked

Was it a Médecins Sans Frontières fundraiser? Was Deb planning to visit Gaza with DVD copies of "The Mysteries of Laura" and a copy of the Rodgers and Hart songbook to lift spirits?

How does one say "Who was that cunt?" in Palestinian Arabic?

No, not at all, r184. She only wanted to plant easily-triggered hand grenades inside Israeli hostages verified appearances and near mortal wounds Palestinian female physicians tending to said Israeli wounds.

Oh, about the hand grenades pointed at Israeli women's cunts, r184, you do not care. Worst part you'd do the same a trash Ramallah survivors. You'd put a grenades up your granny's cunt and laugh. It's who you are and bought for, yet Datalounge laughs and claps for sociopathic cunts posting here, proud as peacock cunts🦚 .

Again!!!

^tl;dr

Off to Balathazar.

r185 seems to be unwell, as well as new around here.

Fred Savage was an absolute dick to two of my friends on separate crews. Now he’s unemployable.

Tell us more, R188!

R189 - Winnie Cooper

Anthony Mackie.

R189 The way one described it, Savage sounds bipolar. He’d be fine one minute then screaming at people the next. Of course, he wouldn’t scream at anyone important.

The other said Savage was handsy with young women, especially ones new to show biz. This was a few years before he got in trouble on the new Wonder Years. My friend said Savage stopped just a hair short of being aggressive.

[quote] I found Bogart so unpleasant in that movie that I wondered what on earth Gloria Grahame's character saw in him.

Not to mention what Audrey saw in him, and it's been reported he treated her poorly as well. But he also married the ultracunt, so no surprises here.

[quote] I found Bogart so unpleasant in that movie that I wondered what on earth Gloria Grahame's character saw in him.

^Someone who doesn't have the smarts to understand In A Lonely Place.

The scene in the bar in “A Lonely Place” where scrawny Bogart takes on a guy twice his size was laughable.

R194, I am well aware that In a Lonely Place depicts a doomed relationship between two troubled people. I am saying that I found Bogart's character unappealing from the first reel. He is nearly 25 years older than Gloria Grahame and looks unwell. It doesn't help that Bogart is very prickly in this and lacking his usual charisma. Abusers in real life typically lead with a full-on charm offensive in the initial phases of an intimate relationship, but there's not a lot of that in evidence on the screen in my opinion. I liked the movie and acknowledge its status as a classic noir with an evocative LA setting, but Bogart as Dixon Steele is simply too unappealing in it to make it a favorite for me personally. I do think Grahame gives a marvelous performance.

Gloria Grahame is underrated.

[quote]The scene in the bar in "A Lonely Place" where scrawny Bogart takes on a guy twice his size was laughable.

There's a lot going on in that movie that tests one's ability to suspend disbelief. I really have to credit Grahame's performance and Nicholas Ray's direction for keeping it from going completely off the rails.

The film's central conceit-- that a mean and thoroughly unpleasant drunk like Steele can effortlessly attract a young woman as vibrant and sexy as Gloria Grahame's Laurel Gray despite the fact that he looks moribund and old enough to be her dad-- is also fairly hard to buy, and no doubt one of the aspects that explains the movie's appeal to straight men who think Bogart is some kind of brooding romantic antihero in this.

John Malkovich for reasons that would hurt my career but that cunt knows why.

You people ruin movies for me with this constant picking about age differences and stupid shit like that. Bogart's ability to attract young women was obvious from his real life, and he was also at the time the most popular male movie star in the world, gee, I wonder why? Must have been his total lack of dynamism and charisma.

R200 Then why on earth read a thread like this?

R201 I read it to read about the meanest celebrities. The title of the thread is "Who Are The Meanest Celebrities? Take two!". What does that have to do with my comment?

You would be pissed too if you had to go to Germany for an Abortion!

R200, the troubled character whom Bogart portrayed in Ray's film was not the sort of role audiences at the time wanted to see him play. His special brand of world-weary charm is more or less absent, and his character is fucked up and does bad things. I'm genuinely not trying to ruin In a Lonely Place for you or anybody else. Bogart is simply not a likeable guy in it.

I mentioned the age difference between Humphrey Bogart and Gloria Grahame because it's just one more thing that makes their relationship hard to buy. Similarly, Bogart and Audrey Hepburn have zero chemistry together in Sabrina. The older man-younger woman dynamic really only worked with him and Bacall, I think.

R197 Especially in bed!

Bogart was also too old to play the lead in “The Desperate Hours”.

His role in the Broadway play was played by a young Paul Newman, who was age appropriate.

R197 And sometimes overrated.

R200 Bogart attracted young women in real life because he was a star with money and power, not because of his amazing personality. He wouldn't have gotten anywhere with women if he had been a lonely boozy writer.

^ Hi, Lauren!

Without question: Ellen, Marlo Thomas, and Faye Dunaway

[quote]The scene in the bar in “A Lonely Place” where scrawny Bogart takes on a guy twice his size was laughable.

Nor really. 5'6", 140lbs Carmine Persico (future head of the Colombo family), 17 years old, beat a much larger boy to death with his bare fists. 5'4" Nicodemo Scarfo (later head of the Philly Mob) stabbed a 6'4", 260lb longshoreman to death with a fucking butter knife.

It's the super-intense, little ones ya gotta watch out for. Bogart always seemed like a rattlesnake--could go from lazily sunning itself on a rock, to tightly coiled, ready to strike in 1.5 seconds flat.

R211, Bogart was 50 at the time and looked older.

[quote] I'm genuinely not trying to ruin In a Lonely Place for you or anybody else. Bogart is simply not a likeable guy in it.

Of course he's not. He's supposed to be a guy with anger issues. He's a fascinating, complex character, not a likeable character. He does have some good traits. Does every main character have to be "likeable" for you to enjoy a movie? In A Lonely Place isn't an MGM musical, it's a dramatic psychological study. Laurel (Grahame's character) is drawn to Dix (Bogart) because of his complexity. She finds him attractive because she's the sort of woman who finds that sort of man attractive. There are all kinds of people in the world. The movie is for by adults, for adults. It's not simplistic.

Do audiences want to watch a beloved star act like a toxic jerk for an entire film? That’s kind of a hard sell, especially in 1950. Not every character has to be likable, obviously, but in order for the story to be plausible maybe don’t have a male lead who is a creepy violent drunk whom no young woman would look twice at.

Jacob Tremblay

This actress may or may not have been mentioned in this or the first thread, but seeing Howard Morris mentioned in a post on the first thread reminded me of none other than sweet Aunt Bea, the notoriously hateful Frances Bavier. Howard Morris not only played Ernest T. Bass on The Andy Griffith Show, but he directed several episodes. He once remarked that working with Bavier was a chore as she was one of the most disagreeable people he ever worked with. There was one instance on an episode he was directing that he was blocking the actors for a scene and he said "Frances I'm going to move you over here" and she became irate and shot back "I WILL NOT BE MOVED ANYWHERE, I AM NOT A PIECE OF FURNITURE". Morris said it was that day that he most wanted to knock her out.

After she had retired and moved to Siler City, NC. they tried and tried to get her to appear on the reunion show they did in the 80s. Andy also had moved to NC by then and Ron Howard flew there and he and Andy went to Bavier's house in hopes of convincing her to join the reunion show. They said she only barely cracked the door when they knocked and told them she would not appear and to go away. Of course she was already in senility by then. When she died and they got into her house they found that she had been using one closet as a litter box for her cats and the house reeked of cat piss and feces.

R216 “ When she died and they got into her house they found that she had been using one closet as a litter box for her cats and the house reeked of cat piss and feces.”

I have a feeling this exact thing will be said about many DLers

R216, the problem was that she was never known to own any cats...

The moron confusing the character Bogart played—an unrealistic character who can magically attract young pretty women despite being old mean and ugly —with real life Bogart—international and wealthy movie star—needs to get their head examined.

R211 James Cagney was small and he was genuinely scary in The Public Enemy and especially in White Heat.

Cagney was really scary - in bed!

Not surprised about the cats. Francis was a notorious pussy hound.

This is take two. I am pretty sure Ellen and Faye et all were discussed to death in the first thread.

I wonder why Julia Roberts hasn't been called out like Ellen, she's ten times as mean, as well as being a gleeful homewrecker.

What are some stories about Marlo Thomas being horrible?

R225

Phil Donahue has always seemed to me like the nicest guy.

R224 see r223

[quote]Not surprised about the cats. Francis was a notorious pussy hound.

I'm pretty sure that Aunt Bee never transitioned,. It's Frances.

Everyone knows that Lisa Rinna is the biggest bully in Hollywood

I could easily believe that r230. Is she still attached to whatshisface? I could see her bullying him.

[quote]Everyone knows that Lisa Rinna is the biggest bully in Hollywood

With the biggest lips in Hollywood.

Lisa Rinna seems genuinely evil, even to the people she "likes", if her species is capable of liking anyone.

I hate that Bossy Witch Kelly Ripa. Somehow her shrimp ex-gogo boy husband seems to handle it. I have a renewed respect for him.

^^who the fuck is lisa rinna?

Unlike so many of the people here, you apparently need to spend MORE time on DL, R235.

George S. Kaufman drove Mary Astor crazy with lust, and people think a nice-looking younger chick in a Bogart movie couldn't be attracted to a guy like Bogie?

It's to laugh.

R237, According to her diary, Mary Astor was bedazzled by George S. Kaufman’s cock.

R237, Bogart was 50 and looked years older in “In a Lonely Place”.

Haggard, wrinkled, jowly, short, skinny and homely.

R238 She was schwanzmatized.

R238, A diary excerpt . . .

“Once George lays down his glasses, he is quite a different man. His powers of recuperation are amazing, and we made love all night long. It all worked perfectly, and we shared our fourth climax at dawn. I didn’t see much of anybody else the rest of the time—we saw every show in town, had grand fun together and went frequently to 73rd Street where he fucked the living daylights out of me.“

"Lisa Rinna is the biggest bully in Hollywood, and everyone knows it."

Trish Hawkins.

The 10 most evil actors of all time.

[quote]The 10 most evil actors of all time.

Must everything be a video? Can't I just read about the 10 most evil actors of all time?

It seems like engaging in reading and comprehending the written word is a thing of the past. Especially since people don't like schooling and fancy things like "education."

It's disheartening because it only signals that young Americans prefer their food pre-chewed before some TikToker regurgitates and violently vomits raining disinformation forcefully down "unsuspecting" viewers' throats.

Ignorance is their prize: vaunted and worshipped by the most proudly and loudly ignorant in their lowest social classes among the Southern GOP. They extended their arms and asked for even more tax cuts for out of state BILLIONAIRES while their constituents died and withered away from the easily preventable diseases Obamacare sought to fight.

Can everyone looks around and see if you can find R245's attention span.

R247: R245 is not the one with the short attention span. He came here to READ, not to be redirected to another site to watch canned content.

And no, I am not R245.

I want to watch Julia Roberts get the Ellen treatment by the public and the industry, she's such a vile bitch she managed to make Steven Spielberg hate her.

Marlo pushing the Thanksgiving turkey to the floor during a screaming fit was a good example of her capacity for lunatic drama.

I saw the devil and it was Kathy Hilton!

Mister Ed

^He was a bastard

Roseanne is no walk in the park.

When DOnald Sutherland came to my city to work on a movie I was assigned to assist the Vips with housing, etc. and He could not have been nicer. He was a kind funny nice person.

Disappointed to hear that about Henry Fonda. He is one of my favorites from the Golden Age of Cinema. Jane and Peter alluded to his emotional distance but more stuff has come out over the years that sullies his image even more.

R256, Henry Fonda starred in Mister Roberts on Broadway for three years and rarely spoke to any other members of the cast offstage.

Is there anyone in antiquity that would be a hot topic in this thread? I’m curious about where the line is drawn.

Wow r257. I speculate that he suffered some sort of abuse growing up.

I remember hearing Eva Marie Saint tell about how she was hired to play the nurse in Mister Roberts, but then she had to be let go because she seemed too young and innocent for the part. She said Fonda himself came into her dressing room with other members of the cast and took it upon himself to tell her the bad news. She said he was "so dear." So I guess it depends on who you talk to.

Also Maureen O'Hara in her autobiography said she loved working with Fonda but didn't really like working with Jimmy Stewart.

Henry Fonda was an ice cold prick.

Jimmy Stewart was a racist prick.

R259 yes because men cannot be assholes without having been victims themselves.

R263, and welcome to the post-Freudian reality in which we have all existed for the past century or so. People don't come into existence ouf of a vacuum.

I believe Maureen said Stewart needed to be the center of attention at all times while Fonda was more generous as a co star.

Costner comes across as a crabby old man.

this is going way back, Jerry Lewis and Rudee Vallee of all people: Human assholes

Arthur Godfrey was a notorious cunt to everyone around him.

[quote] [R194], I am well aware that In a Lonely Place depicts a doomed relationship between two troubled people. I am saying that I found Bogart's character unappealing from the first reel. He is nearly 25 years older than Gloria Grahame and looks unwell. It doesn't help that Bogart is very prickly in this and lacking his usual charisma. Abusers in real life typically lead with a full-on charm offensive in the initial phases of an intimate relationship, but there's not a lot of that in evidence on the screen in my opinion. I liked the movie and acknowledge its status as a classic noir with an evocative LA setting, but Bogart as Dixon Steele is simply too unappealing in it to make it a favorite for me personally. I do think Grahame gives a marvelous performance.

Keep in mind that in the original Dorothy B. Hughes novel [italic]In a Lonely Place,[/italic] Bogart's character (who is also the narrator) is a serial killer whom Gloria Grahame's character ultimately helps capture.

In order to make the film for Hollywood, they had to re-write it so the character is simply suspected of being a killer, but not an actual killer. it doesn;t quite work as a story, but it's so odd that it's fascinating people ever since it came out.

This idea that the character somehow reflects and represents who Humphrey Bogart actually was is pretty nutso.

My grandmother used to talk about Rudy Vallee. He was kind of like the Justin Bieber of the 1930s, lots of teenage girls were fans of his.

Rex Harrison.

Who does Debra Winger take her rage and dissatisfaction out on these days?

[quote]This idea that the character somehow reflects and represents who Humphrey Bogart actually was is pretty nutso.

Louise Brooks wrote about it in [italic]Sight & Sound[/italic] magazine. The BFI has the whole essay online (see link). Regarding [italic]In a Lonely Place[/italic], Brooks wrote:

[quote]However, before inertia set in, he played one fascinatingly complex character, craftily directed by Nicholas Ray, in a film whose title perfectly defined Humphrey's own isolation among people. In a Lonely Place gave him a role that he could play with complexity because the film character's, the screenwriter's, pride in his art, his selfishness, his drunkenness, his lack of energy stabbed with lightning strokes of violence, were shared equally by the real Bogart.