Songwriter calls out Beyonce for stealing writing credits!

Kelis did not wrote her song nor her signature song milkshake. This Annie looking bitch is looking for a come up.

Beyonce has a history of claiming she wrote songs she never wrote including Irreplaceable (written by Ne-Yo), Bow Down (the real songwriter originally wrote it for Rihanna) and even went on a radio show to claim she wrote Destiny Child's Emotions which was actually written by the BEE GEES.

This is why she'll never win AOTY. Everyone in the industry knows she doesn't write shit. Diane Warren even called her out for it.

Nobody believes Beyoncé wrote anything. She can’t even read and she’s dumber than dirt.

Song-writing credits are just a business deal. You can have 100% credit for writing a song, but until a famous artist records it, you get nothing. So to the extent she’s complaining about the money, I have little sympathy.

She's not an artist, she's a performer. If you locked her up in a room by herself with a pen, paper, and guitar she wouldn't be able to come up with anything.

Despite the pretentious image she puts out of a serious artiste she's just as manufactured as Britney and Bieber. And just as dumb as them too.

R3 = Lea Michele

So I actually watched this young lady’s video and she articulated her point well and she is right actually. These songwriters are being exploited. I just want to point out that she has never worked with the Queen. The Queen pays her songwriters, she just demands as much as 25% for songs that were completed and sometimes demoed before she had any involvement. That shit is fucked up and it is low key why she isn’t as respected as all her acclaim would seem to suggest when it’s comes to. The Grammys, particularly album of the year. I’ve been telling my friends that.

Taylor Swift doesn’t worry about this drama because she generally writes all her own shit or co-writes them with only 1 or 2 collaborators. This woman is not lying about how these billionaire artists are exploiting people because that’s exactly what the fuck it is. She made an excellent argument. Queen Bey has the power and influence to enact the change. She should and if she doesn’t I will stop calling this bitch Queen Bey.

What r5 said. She's too dumb to write songs.

[quote] Kelis did not wrote her song nor her signature song milkshake. This Annie looking bitch is looking for a come up.—BrickPollitt

Beyonce is almost as fake as you.

I hope she gets more money so she can ditch that garish Party City cosplay wig and get a nice lace front.

R4 is right: It's not as if "these poor songwriters" are being ripped off. Part of the deal of getting your song on an album is for the artist to claim (s)he co-wrote the song.

Why? Because that way the performer will also get paid whenever someone else wants to cover / sample / use the song.

This isn't something the songwriter only finds out when they read the credits: This is all taken care off well in advance by the record companies, signed by all parties and/or their handlers.

R11 It's still an unfair practice. Most of the time they agree to those deals because they’re new and don’t have other means to join a tight-knit industry, they don’t have the money to pay for lawyers to continually assist with contract, the large labels and their "artists" have a chokehold on the industry, you either work with them or you don’t work at all.

The industry is set up to exploit the vulnerable.

If you agree to give up part of your publishing, that's one thing (and not something I agree with, but this is the way they do business). However, why does that artist deserve songwriting credits? Why can't they just own a percentage of the publishing and be non-credited? That's the part that would gall me. I understand I have to give up something for an established artist to record one of my songs, but they didn't write it. The first part is greedy enough, but to then want songwriting credit for which you could win awards you don't deserve... how do people live with themselves? I would never want to take credit for something I had no hand in.

[quote] Kelis did not wrote her song

This is the way Defacto thinks black people talk.

When you log into ASCAP as a writer, you have data on who's recorded your song, number of plays etc and you want those cents on the dollar. That's the evidence entertainment lawyers use. She can admit her 'inspiration' by giving credit in the first place to the writer, or go to court as a thief.

These songwriters agree to give Beyoncé credit because she has a reputation for getting people blacklisted in the industry who are a threat to her. She and her husband are thugs.

R16 No because they want their songs to be huge hits.

R14 Bro what is your problem. I am black and grew up with BET, Teen Summit, and black music. Can get off me please.

Movie screenwriters also get screwed. The entertainment industry just doesn’t value writers.

At least movie writers generally don’t have their credits stolen, because they have a strong union.

The recording industry should separate out publishing rights from writing credit so recording artists and producers can share in the revenues without pretending to be songwriters.

R18, everyone sees through you. You pretend it's one person with some sort of grudge against you, but nope, the entirety of Datalounge knows you're a fraud.

She reminds me of Strawberry Shortcake 🍓

R19 Excellent idea actually. Especially it is songs turning artists into superstars while previously it was more a complete package. A lot of these songwriters are black and brown people being screwed over by POWERFUL black and brown people. We must stop this cycle. No one rarely knew one hit wonders by name.

R20 Please seek help.

If they were that good they should just become huge artist themselves like Missy Elliot, Sia, Robyn or even Kesha.

R10 I actually think that is a lacefront weave with sewn in bangs. I don’t think that’s a wig. It might be 🤔

And it might actually be her hair with some tracks sewed in for more body. And obviously red hair dye or coloring.

R2 Ne-Yo is cool with her claiming she cowrote with him tho 😂. It was the number one song of 2007 and one of the biggest selling songs of all time. Here is his original demo.

[quote] Ne-Yo is cool with her claiming she cowrote with him tho

Did one of your "famous songwriter friends" tell you this, Teafuck?

R26, Stragate revealed this at a panel conference when I attended NYU. And Ne-Yo has stated this on televised interviews.

[quote] the entirety of Datalounge knows you're a fraud.

And a toxic troll, who goes completely off the deep end on weekends, especially long weekends.

Think about how much better the dl would be if this one toxic, obsessed troll popped his clogs.

[quote] when I attended NYU.

Never happened.

R29 Listen just be you are old and quasi racist or weird or something doesn’t make it true. I would not keep fucking lying about that. Yall hoes be saying that because of the outlandish shit I have posted in the past coming off my binges.

R29 Alec Baldwin gave my fucking commencement speech you stankin ass bitch. I’m sick of this shit.

Alec Baldwin never made a commencement speech at Wilfred Beauty Academy, you lying Teafuck.

I distinctly remember when she was on TRL lying and claiming to write Emotion by the Bee Gees. It was so funny. Carson Daly looked at her like she was crazy.

R19: Tyler Perry 🤮 was notorious for attempting to subvert the WGA.

R33 😂 That was back when the Queen used to be doing chicken head shit. Cut her slack, she was only 19 and Matthew probably told her to say it.

Linda Perry called her out a couple of years ago too.

R36 Linda Perry, who is high functioning autistic, slam that one of her songs had 20 songwriters. That’s because the black and white nerd doesn’t understand that when you sample a song or interpolate it EVERY songwriter from the original song is listed. Innovative hip hop often uses samples with entirely new lyrics and arrangements. Even if you only sample one part of the song. For example Crazy in Love has entirely original lyrics however the iconic horns are sampled from the Chi-lites—meaning every single writer from the Chi-Lite’s ‘Are you gonna be my girl ‘ is listed on Crazy in Love’s songwriter lyrics. I don’t think that was the song Linda was referring to but that’s just example. The cool, forward thinking songwriters like Mark Ronson know this and don’t hate. Linda should stick to writing them trite lyrics on romantic ballads. She has had a handful of good ones; most trash.

A poster above mentioned there should be more of distinction between songwriting and publishing. I suspect he is a musician or songwriter himself and he is correct. That’s where this problem is. Unlike screenwriters of a film, songwriters get royalties for life.

My point is the Chi-lite’s Are you gonna be my girl wrote not one lyric on Crazy in Love but are listed as songwriters because of the horn sample. Some of you don’t understand a song is lyrics plus melody not just lyrics. But the problem arises in production when a singer is not singing the melody or the lyrics of the samples song but only using the instrumentation and engineering.

[quote] My point is —BrickPollitt

No one cares.

If only Linda Perry could write deep, emotive lyrics like: Your hands, your hands so strong when they're grippin' on me, yeah So, dance, all night long to the throb, baby, feel the beat Don't you leave, yeah, me Don't you leave So use me (use me), pursue me (pursue me) Kiss me where you bruise me (bruise me) Taste me (taste me), that fleshy part I scream so loud, I curse the stars

R39 Dude you are clearly immature or something is wrong with you because even if you felt like you do you wouldn’t keep responding going tic for tac like some insecure straight bro or a f$$got.

R40 Posting random song lyrics without the overall melody and even the songs instrumentation is very simple minded. It’s akin to posting a the screenplay of scene from a film in which a pimp is cussing out his hoe or the violent criminal turns on his comrades. It’s quite well idiotic.

Sorry, shithead, but R40 made his point quite well.

Hun, the melody won't change the banality of the lyrics, but nice try.

😂 old farts. I love old farts. I hate pretentious one.

I can't believe she claimed she wrote Emotion! She must have become so used to taking credit for songs she didn't write that she forgot it was a cover.

Beyonce is a talented singer and performer. I don't know why she feels the need to try to promote herself as a gifted songwriter as well.

[quote] Dude you are clearly immature or something is wrong with you

Says the person who posts under multiple aliases.

[quote] because even if you felt like you do you wouldn’t keep responding going tic for tac like some insecure straight bro or a f$$got.

So now you're a homophobe, too. Good to know, Teacak.

R46 I don’t think she quite stated it as straight forward as the poster stated but I do remember that TRL episode. She said she cowrote every song on the album in which Emotion is on. She was fairly new to the mainstream industry and used to be reciting that shit Matthew told her to say as far as songwriting abilities.

One things for sure I respect the shit out of this lady. I watched the video in full. I’m glad she said what she said. The conversation needs to be had. And I respect the shit that stated she would never write a song for Beyonce, and she has been asked, because she is not giving her 25%. She got cajones.

Bey is A GLORY HOG!

Nothing is or will ever be enough for that pig.

R48, I suppose it's not so bad if she didn't specifically name-check Emotion.

Why are you listening to that moron, R51, as if he knows anything?

No real artist has writing camps. Thats not an artist thats a product.

Beyonce writes more than Rihanna, who doesn't write anything. Rihanna's vocals are also produced for her by Kuk Harrell, while Bey does her own vocals. Rihanna just shows up in the studio, picks some songs that she likes by other writers and sings along to a track with vocals already laid out for her by Harrell. She's about as involved in her music as Britney was.

Having said all that, I'd much rather listen to Rihanna's music than Bey's.

That must be why her music is so bad now. She can’t get the best material anymore because creators are tired of being robbed. No one really listens to her anyway. Rihanna’s last album, from EIGHT YEARS AGO, is performing better on streaming services than Beyoncé’s from last year, or whenever.

Only low quality people think Beyonce is talented.

I have no sympathy for her. As someone said above, it takes the artist to get the song recorded and the artist basically pushes and sells the song and because of their shitty recording contracts, a lot of them get fucked over.

Singers don’t want to end up like TLC and En Vogue who went bankrupt because they didn’t write anything.

R55 Yeah the streams for Lemonade are terrible considering all the media hype about it being one of the best albums of all time. A lot of Beyonce's career is smoke and mirrors. The streams for Anti are insanely good considering it came out in 2016. Anti is a better album than Beyonce's Lemonade too.

[quote] Singers don’t want to end up like TLC and En Vogue who went bankrupt because they didn’t write anything.

Then they should fucking write something and not steal.

There need to be laws and regulations put into place in order to end this once and for all. But since the system was broken from the start and the ones who broke it are the only ones benefitting from it then it is highly unlikely anything will change.

Yes the artist picked the song, recorded it, released it and made it a hit but that doesn't make them one of the songwriters or entitle them to a share of someone else's earnings. It's a very narcissistic and entitled mindset.

It's a damn shame that it's been 80 years since singers and songwriters went on strike while writers and actors in Hollywood go on strike almost once every decade or every other decade.

For DREAMGIRLS, Beyoncé is credited with co-writing "Listen," along with Henry Krieger, Scott Cutler, and Anne Preven.

But when the song was nominated for a Best Song Oscar, only Krieger, Cutler, and Preven were listed as nominees.

R2 You do realize Whitney Houston and Ray Charles have won Album of the year with albums with mostly covers. You are an idiot.

Publishing is where all the money is. Facts. Being Beyonce is expensive y’all.

Here is how it works. Songs are submitted to artists. Big-name artists can put a hold on them (most likely the management and artists). If they like a song or demo, and they are a big enough name, they can tell the writer we will take your song, you will get paid and get x% of the publishing rights if we get a writing credit on the song. No credit, no deal. (This is in fact how Beyonce works). To make it nice and legal, they will change a word or phrase in a song. Take the song Smash into You on I am Sasha Fierce. It was originally titled Smack into You as in the like I want to run smack into you, the Chorus of the song. It was supposed to go to another artist but he was a smaller fish. The writers gave up their writing credit to Beyonce because they thought it had greater potential to make money from an artist who sells millions vs an artist who sells thousands.

I don't see a problem with big stars getting a percentage of the publishing because without them the song wouldn't be a hit. That's a business deal that many writers would be willing to accept. It can be part of the contract. But why do the "artists" insist on pretending they wrote the song? Taking a percentage of the money is a business deal. Taking writing credit is a slimy, egocentric fraud.

All Beyonce knows how to do is lip-synch and walk around with faux attitude.

R62 you are the idiot. Neither of the artists you named were widely known to blatantly steal songwriting credits. That is why Beyoncé will never win AOTY. She plays dirty and the people she need to vote for her know it.

Beyonce is a great performer. She is one of the best. I don't need her to pen her songs. I want to watch her and enjoy what she brings to a song. I don't care if it was written by 1000 other people. I want to see her sing and perform it. Half of the enjoyment of most songs nowadays is the performance and the emotion brought to the song by the performer.

The industry has been the same for close to 100 years. It seems as if someone getting into the business of songwriting would know this. And if they know this and are truly talented, they write for other people AND themselves. The produce talent AND themselves. That is where the money is. If you're a song writer that can't sing or play an instrument, I would suggest just taking your lumps or get out of the business.

R67 Then why does she need to proclaim to write songs that she never wrote? That is narcissism. No one would care if she just sang the songs other people made for her but taking credit for coming up with other people's ideas is disgusting.

Watch The Queen AOTY next year with her country album. She just betta pay them songwriters their bank lol.

R56 Negative shipmate.

This is a sensational headline btw. Did any of you old cunts watch the vid. She has never worked with Beyonce and is calling on her to implement change, referring to her as the MJ of our generation.

“I DID help write that song! I went oooooaaaaadanniboo!”

Meh - they all do it.

Dolly recalls that Elvis wouldn't record I Will Always Love You unless he got a credit.

Smartest move of her life not to give it to him.

[quote]Watch The Queen AOTY next year with her country album. She just betta pay them songwriters their bank lol.

She will NEVER win Album of the Year now since she's acted like such a vile entitled cunt about it, and especially after her husband's little stunt at this year's Grammys. No one will ever vote for her now.

R60 PR.

Writing music makes the artist seem more talented so taking credit for it in the name of promotion works.

But Beyonce isn’t the only one who does it. They all do it.

Justin Timberlake does it. He didn’t write “Like I Love You” or “Rock Your Body”, those were songs for Michael Jackson. But he has songwriters credits for it.

We actually don’t know what artists write.

R73 Colonel Parker**

That’s why I can’t believe we’re all supposed to believe Taylor Swift writes all her songs.

As a fan of Jack Antonoff / Bleachers, he definitely writes a lot of the lyrics for her. “Anti-Hero” is 100% him.

Someone on here tried to argue showing the behind the scenes of how she writes everything. She is worse than Beyonce in that she would stage the whole thing being the control freak she is.

Beyoncé a fake-ass bitch.

R71 She had songwriters who work with Beyonce tell her their stories. There are MANY of them. Its common knowledge in the industry.

[quote]This is a sensational headline btw. Did any of you old cunts watch the vid. She has never worked with Beyonce and is calling on her to implement change, referring to her as the MJ of our generation.

Yes I watched the entire video. She does say she never worked with Beyonce R71. But the more important take away is that she clearly describes why she NEVER would. Did you watch the entire video? It's hardly a sensational headline considering that she says just at least three times in the video.

There has to be more to publicly saying you wrote an album than just ego. All the artist do it. Maybe it goes toward better contracts for future albums. Maybe if they take as much credit in the credits they have to actually say it. Madonna said it all the time and you queens sucked at her tits for decades without saying a word. Everyone does it. But Beyonce does it and there are six threads about what a bitch she is, reposting anything negative you can find about her. Hmmm

Beyonce is a cunt and her fans are borderline retarded. Just like her.

^ The current state of American civility.

R81 isn’t lying.

Constructing a lie would be too much of a strain on the few brain cells he as, R83. So I agree with you, I don't think he can lie.

[quote] Constructing a lie would be too much of a strain on the few brain cells he as

What was that about brain cells again, dear?

[quote] Beyonce is a talented singer and performer. I don't know why she feels the need to try to promote herself as a gifted songwriter as well.

It's because she and her husband are both extremely greedy. Look at how much of a little bitch Jay Z turned into when he made it a point to announce at the Grammy Awards Ceremony that "you never gave my wife ALBUM OF THE YEAR!". Classless.

R55, what I find very interesting about Rihanna is that she really taken seriously in the beginning. She was just viewed as a product. But as time has gone by, Rihanna is actually more appreciated than she was originally. I don't think that is true of Beyonce. Rihanna's biggest albums outstream the Beyonce ones now.

*really WASN'T taken seriously

Rihanna sucks, too. Other than Umbrella, I couldn't name one of her songs, that's how forgettable they are.

Music should have just stopped 10 or so years ago. We haven't had anything of worth produced since 2012, and precious little since the 21st century began.

[quote]Rihanna's biggest albums outstream the Beyonce ones now.

Rihanna had HITS that everybody likes to hear. Beyawnce just has a bunch of noise that’s passed off as “artistic genius” when it’s really just unlistenable shite.

[quote]She will NEVER win Album of the Year now since she's acted like such a vile entitled cunt about it, and especially after her husband's little stunt at this year's Grammys.

She doesn't care because next year she will be winning Album of the Year at the Country Music Awards.

Beyonce now looks like she's cosplaying as Kylie Jenner who cosplays as a black woman.

Blue Ivy is destined to be another fat talentless nepo Lolahol Leon.

When Bonnie Raitt won song of the year the beyhive tried to go after her, but were quickly swatted down when it was pointed out raitt was the only nominee who was the sole writer of her song and how beloved Raitt is in the industry and by fans. Her song was about someone who has to make a decision about donating a loved ones organs.

R94, Bonnie reminds me of Dolly in the sense that both are class acts. Also, Bonnie is an actual artist, not some pop star.

[quote]Rihanna had HITS that everybody likes to hear. Beyawnce just has a bunch of noise that’s passed off as “artistic genius” when it’s really just unlistenable shite.

You guys are completely out of touch, which is understandable considering the median age on here. Beyonce or whoever wrote her lyrics, has had songs with phrases that have entered the popular vernacular. "If he liked it he would have put on ring on it," "I woke up like this," "watermelon," "surfbort," "hot sauce in my bag," "who runs the world?" Everyone who isn't ancient knows why "Imma take his ass to Red Lobster," means. The woman singlehandedly made Going to Red Lobster a thing. It may be a bunch of noise to you but she has risen to the gold standard of what a performer can be, and she has a huge impact on popular culture. You may not like her. Like I don't like Taylor Swift. But I'd be lying if I was trying to minimize her impact on popular American culture, or culture all around the world. At least base your arguments in reality.

And Rihanna is popular because she has a better catalog than Beyonce with more number one hits. Whoever upthread said she just had Umbrella is just lost in the Sauce. Rude Boy, We Found Love, Only Girl in the World, Stay, Diamonds and SOS were all memorable, massive hits. Just because you can't remember them says more about your memory than the actual truth.

And people like Rihanna better than Beyonce, because Rihanna never sold herself as anything other than what she was, she never tried to be nice. She's real and says what she thinks. Although it was kind of mean, it is still hilarious to me that she commented "Booo" under some girls instagram photo of a dress she made for her prom to look like Rihanna. The dress did look like shit.

[quote] has had songs with phrases that have entered the popular vernacular. "If he liked it he would have put on ring on it," "I woke up like this," "watermelon," "surfbort," "hot sauce in my bag," "who runs the world?" Everyone who isn't ancient knows why "Imma take his ass to Red Lobster," means. The woman singlehandedly made Going to Red Lobster a thing.

None of these with the exception of the first one has ever been a "thing."

But let's say, for argument's sake, they have. This is something to be proud of, the further dumbing down of the nation? Yeah, good going, Bouncy. The public is now almost as retarded as you are.

This is for all of you because I feel like you deserve it. You’re all bitches!

Little Shithouse On The Prairie

R96 I'm 29 years old, those are phrases only Millennials and people my age would know. Nobody under the age of 24 gives a fuck about Beyonce. My youngest sister is 16 and the only Beyonce song she knows is Break My Soul (probably because its from her latest album). Beyonce is a Millennial thing.

But you're right Rihanna is more likable simply due to the fact that she doesn't have an annoying PR machine hyping her up as some genius. Her music was played at every college party I went to.

Rihanna looks like Wil Smith.

R7, Taylor Swift "writes" her songs with song doctors like Max Martin

R81 probably listens to Kid Rock at Trump rallies

White Republicans hate Beyonce

[quote] probably listens to Kid Rock at Trump rallies. White Republicans hate Beyonce

Awww, is the third dumbest member of the Beyhive upset?

This entire thread is pure 💩

I'll always have a soft spot for her, because as a child I was Destiny's child fan, but had no idea she had ever claimed to have written "Emotions"

😂😂😂😂😂

Is she really that stupid?

R105 The Queen isn’t stupid at all. She stated, quite garishly, that she cowrote every track on the Survivor album but that’s impossible because it featured a cover of Samantha’s Emotions written and produced by the BeeGees. Again occasionally she used to do chicken head shit.

The Queen’s country soul anthem has debuted at #2 on the main charts and #1 on the Country charts. She is one of the greatest.

[quote]Again occasionally she used to do chicken head shit.

This is why she doesn't give interviews. Wendy Williams called her out on her inability to talk years ago.

[quote] Again occasionally she used to do chicken head shit.

You're an embarrassment. And I'm not even Black (nor do I play one on DL like you do.)

R108 But I don’t do that love.

But what does Kelly Rowland think?

Kelly is too busy looking for a suitable dressing room to pay attention, R110. She needs to bring an advocate like Jay-Z to her talk show appearances.