Why do gay men threaten society more than lesbians do?

Because most straight men and many women (in America, at least) value manliness above all else and see women and gay men as inferior. Which is why they respect women who aspire to masculine roles, but are disgusted by men who act feminine; and they consider men who fuck each other as femme no matter how studly they behave and appear.

Men in general are thought of as more threatening in every way because we are literally much more threatening.

Because anal sex is so good , one attempt will throw your orderly straight world into chaos.

Because men are ever only a couple of beers away from a male-male rimjob!

People truly fear men turning onto each other.

Society isn’t threatened by gay men. No one cares about gay men. It’s all about trannies. Stop trying to be a victim, OP. Figure out what century you’re living in. Most people are claiming to be bisexual now.

In my opinion it has to do with taboo of a man being fucked. This idea horrifies straight men (no matter that they have been fucked by government, corporations, bosses etc every dsy)

Real life lesbians (I am not talking about porn sexual fetish) are not revered but are somehow indifferent.

[quote]Men in general are thought of as more threatening in every way because we are literally much more threatening

Good point, R2. It reminds me of how the ACT UP protests of the 80s were so intense because of the testosterone-fueled rage and risk-taking of men who happened to be gay. I can’t imagine lesbians invading a Catholic mass, stopping traffic in lower Manhattan, or shutting down San Francisco for a week. A few of them went along on the ride, though.

When was the last time two lesbians were caught fucking on top of public transportation?

Because they fantasize about watching or joining in with lesbians. Also, a good dick will change a gal.

Macho bullshit.

No one cares about homely women engaging in foreplay with each other. They are invisible.

The idea of two grown men having sex with each other disgusts most heteros, whether they admit it or not. It also undermines the structure of everything - men are masculine, they love feminine women, women get pregnant and have babies, the family is the most important thing in society, etc. Bunch of stupid bullshit, but that’s the way society has functioned for hundreds of years. Not to mention religion.

Gen Z seems to be less concerned with this narrative. And everyone is now on their phones 24/7 anyway. So who knows what will threaten anyone in 100 years?

Look at it this way.

Very, very few men have ever worried about being raped by a lesbian.

Because scissoring is dope

[quote]Men in general are thought of as more threatening in every way because we are literally much more threatening.

This. It's a combination of r1 and r2, but especially this, here. Statistically, most sexual crimes are committed by males. Females are the most common target because there are more straight males than gay. The existence of gay men terrifies straight men because, as males themselves, they understand male sexual aggression and can't handle it ever being directed toward them.

These same straight males, usually sexually objectify females on a regular basis and are, thus, projecting their own perversions off onto gay men.

Because more is placed on men’s shoulders culturally than women. It’s just the way that it is. For the most part women are just seen as birthing and raising children. Men are thought of as putting a baby, the future, inside of a woman. Women are just seen as carrying what the man has left.

R13 and R15 (in particular) nailed it.

Men fear being dominated by other men the way they themselves think about dominating women.

Lesbians are women (despite what autogynephiles say), ergo no threat to males.

At the core of it, I think it's because it throws into question almost all the bullshit and 'how to be a man' rules that straight men have been brought up in.

There really isn't much leniency given to straight men. We've all seen their reactions when there is even the SLIGHTEST insinuation of doing or acting something 'gay' and they OVERREACT like crazy.

Straight men have such shallow emotional lives and are not encouraged to speak about their feelings, depression, feelings of low worth, etc. We all see how fucking cookie-cutter straight men can be - it's weird.

I would venture to say over 90% of straight men have mental health issues.

Being gay is hard, but it turns your world upside down and forces you to question EVERYTHING you've ever been taught. Straight men don't like that and it's not accepted to question things - hence why so many are conservative assholes.

It's not about the sex - not by a long shot.

Because misogyny and homophobia are sides of the same coin.

Lesbians form long-term relationships and adopt unwanted kids, playing the important role of janitor for reckless, mess-making straights. That's why lesbians are seldom the target of traditionalists.

[quote] Men are thought of as putting a baby, the future, inside of a woman. Women are just seen as carrying what the man has left

You missed the mark here. Straight men are seen as much more than sperm donors: they’re seen as the architects of civilization, which is ironic because many notable men in the arts and humanities were gay, which probably means that gay men are more intellectually threatening to straight people (in addition to being a physical and sexual menace) than lesbians are.

[Quote] Men are thought of as putting a baby, the future, inside of a woman

This is the unspoken crux of the abortion debate. They leave out the part where there is no baby until a woman’s body develops it. They act as if Betsy Wetsy shot right out of dick.

R21 no, this person was right because most of the time gays are in saunas, visiting pride parades, using grindr instead of being inventors. And isn't there a bald gay that is responsible for the ESG? So even if there are a few instances of gays being architects of civilization, they ruin it with SJW woke nonsense. Gays are hated because they don't provide to women (the straight men are angry that we don't take 1 for the team too and be as miserable as them) and homophobic women hate gays because gays are not their lapdogs for child support and alimony. That's why it is important that we spread the message of Pearl Davis. That mgtow (men going their own way) is the future. Because only then, homophobia will disappear because gay men are mgtow by default. We are going our own way apart from traditional gender expectations (just like mgtow). Look at this video, how much hate heterosexual men get for being mgtow. They are hated as much as gay men who want to do their own thing. If you disagree with me, you are no better than closeted Ron DeSantis and Bradley Cooper. They know that society expects of them to create children instead of being out-gay men. Sad.

As someone who grew up with equal opportunity, willfully ignorant bigots this has not been my experience at all, OP.

Seen as subhuman breeding stock, women who veered from heterosexuality could be retrained-according to men - with rape.

To some straight men: women (all women) are property. Women are there for their pleasure, abuse, or usage, and nothing else unless they allow it.

Gay men who have no interest in using, abusing, or controlling women confuse and upset those men. We go against their "Us vs. Them" mentality. It threatens their idea of dominance and control of society.

Cause straight men fear that they gotta guard their manholes from us! And they're correct -- because I want that hole!

R26 You sure? Straight men don't wipe good. Stuck to their holes often are lint, bits of toilet paper and shit residue.

R27, my grooming process begins with a nice hot, soapy bath. I got this shit figured out 🤣

R23 sounds like a conservative who wants to whine about "SJWs"

Going to saunas doesn't prevent gay men from inventing stuff, any more than pursuing women stops straight men from accomplishing things

I'll see if I can find a link, but I read a studying showing that a lot of homophobia is just "femmephobia" or fear of effeminacy in males. It's why conservatives (including some Log Cabin dataloungers) freak out over MTF trans people but mostly ignore FTMs.

Here's the study I was talking about

R30, I can see that. At the same time, there is a certain element of straight people who are more comfortable with mincing stereotypes of gay men, and they are genuinely bothered by two "average Joe" / masculine types.

Because lesbians are better at home repair.

R33, straight people would be naked without gay men.

Way back in the day, long before there was anything like the psyllium husks supplements and shower nozzle douches beloved of modern bottoms, a man going up into another man was not at all hygienic and nothing spreads disease quite like sodomy. It wasn’t then so much a fear of close male relationships but a strong taboo on anal sex because it risked introducing and spreading incurable diseases into the community.

🙄^.

I'm so grateful to live in an era where we're not at the mercy of straight norms, or where we're reliant on the kindness of allies for representation/visibility.

Some people are taking the word "threaten" in OP's title too seriously. Of course men are more physically frightening because they're stronger and more prone to physical violence, but that has nothing to do with why society has been less disapproving of lesbians than of gay men. R12 and others making similar arguments get it: It's about the desirability of masculinity and about thousands of years of conditioning to certain gender roles. Think about the way gay men, in reality and by stereotype (true or not) threaten - not physically but socially and culturally - those things.

What's remarkable is the progress gay rights have made in the historical blink of an eye, not that perfection hasn't yet been achieved.

^^^ Sorry - meant to say "... are taking the word 'threaten' too literally." Literally!

R35 doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about and is just making up historical facts.

Gay men are MEN. Gay women are just WOMEN.

[quote]Way back in the day, long before there was anything like the psyllium husks supplements and shower nozzle douches beloved of modern bottoms, a man going up into another man was not at all hygienic and nothing spreads disease quite like sodomy.

WRONG. That was not how syphilis spread like wildfire throughout Europe “back in the day.”

There's a lot of overlap between homophobia and sexism (against women). Straight men are used to penetrating and dominating a woman. Straight men can't understand why a man would allow himself to be penetrated / dominated by another man.

That's just one reason I can think of.

R43 - although if you look at the rise in pegging porn the past 5-10 years, I don't know how long that's going to last.

Some of these 'straight' men can take fucking MASSIVE strap-ons.

Homosexuality is the Boogeyman who lives rent-free in straight men's minds. They must tage against it to avoid slipping helplessly into a debauched, hedonistic lifestyle which can only lead to addiction, disease and ostracism (NSFW).

[quote] Why do gay men threaten society more than lesbians do?

Because the thinking is women don’t matter.

Meanwhile...

I don’t know but at least in Hispanic and latin cultures including Italy, Spain and Portugal being a lesbian is far more difficult than gay. In these societies lesbians have very little representation while gays are pretty much liked and very visible. It seems to be a Anglo culture thing to prefer to have lesbian characters on tv series and soap operas but in souther European and Hispanic culture, lesbian relationships on tv are not very well received by the general audience.

there are like two lesbians for every 11 gay men, that is also a factor

You fear this penis!

R31 Oh yes this is true. Straight men hate the fem bimbo behavior of women too but women can birth them children, that's why they accept them. Gay men can't birth out of ther asses or penisholes and that's why they are killed in muslim countries because they are seen as failed women. #homosexism

R19 nailed it!

R49- completely untrue- numbers are equal.

It's mostly about disgust, OP. It's much more traumatising for the bigots to imagine a man going up another man than a woman vaguely doing something with her hand to another woman down there.

After disgust, patriarchy comes into play – the thought of a man willingly submitting to another man is unconscionable to many, male and female alike. They don't understand gay sex is about play, not (just) about power.

R19 R52 no, you are both wrong because if it were misogyny, the feminine behavior displayed in fem gays would also be hated in women but that's not the case. Women who behave feminine. Wanting to be homemakers and are make up experts... this is supported and accepted by society. So where is the misogyny here? This is all about men behaving atypical to their sex without having the wombs to compensate for it.

I agree with R7.

Some straight men obsess over anal sex. It is rooted in their fear of vulnerability. Gay men also threaten their idea of masculinity.

As for lesbians, some straight men view same-sex acts between women, but, make no mistake, lesbians are as despised as gay men by this (thankfully) ever smaller minority of straight men.

[quote] some straight men view same-sex acts between women,

I meant to add "hot."

Sorry. Hit post before editing.

Is this misandry or misogyny?

Because of the larger size of the gay male penis. It's very threatening!

I think there’s obviously a lot of different reasons. Most of it’s based in hypocritical religious ideology that’s been engrained in society despite peoples lack of other religious beliefs. Some view it as a rejection of manhood or the idea that a gay man plays a submissive / subservient role that is reserved for women.

If you look into the history of gay sex, two men fucking was never acceptable. They had to have younger / older dynamics because the younger man resembled the feminine role and the older man was the masculine man. The idea of two masculine men fucking and one bottoms has always been taboo for the most part.

But straight men’s greatest fear is being raped by a more powerful man. Especially among white men with black men. The whole “I hope you get raped in prison by a big black dude” is a huge insult because it insinuates a white man is weaker than a black man will dominate and strip a white man of his masculinity by raping him.

I honestly think there’s more bisexuality out there but for these reasons, a lot of men repress the feelings.

R60 Like those two?

When they think you’re the fragile one but you could wreck any one of their wives better…

R58, I think that's called being an idiot Russian. It's a real condition!

What R48 said is not untrue. When homosexuality is thought of in those cultures, it is predominantly gay men.

The Protestant, western cultures have cultivated entire generations of men to be fearful of male touch, camaraderie, male beauty, etc.

Straight men see two women and think that all those women need is him between them to give them some real dick....*eyeroll*

[quote] Why do gay men threaten society more than lesbians do?

Dick - it’s the fear of gay dick - big, fat, juicy gay dick that drives them mad.

OP - It's because we cross swords.

R67, en garde!

[quote] It's because we cross swords.

And sometimes streams!

Tragically, some of us only have a dagger.

A society's level of civilization is directly correlated to how they treat their male homosexuals.

If men get free sex from each other, they won't slave away at jobs they hate to afford pussy and brats.

Terrified conformists of the “but we’ve always done it this way” type.

People are threatened by how many men do gay sex.

Look at what a high percentage gay porn makes up out of porn in general.

Probably more of a gateway than stepmom porn, yes.

R75, once you go dick, you never go back to chick.

Oh!

This is the only thread this account has ever posted on.

Troll or freshman class with lazy data collection?

A cunt, certainly. And that's quite a supposition, cunt.

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Why do gay men threaten society more than lesbians do? The heteros are nowhere near as homophobic towards lesbians!

What gives?

Why do gay men threaten society more than lesbians do? A society's level of civilization is directly correlated to how they treat their male homosexuals.

Why do gay men threaten society more than lesbians do? People are threatened by how many men do gay sex.

Look at what a high percentage gay porn makes up out of porn in general.

Because straight men don't believe there is such a thing as a lesbian. They ALL believe that most lesbians are one dick away from turning straight...and it's their "magic" dick that they believe will do it.

If I had a dollar for everytime a man has asked me if I would consider fucking a man, I'd be a millionaire. My response now is, "No, would you?" Stops them right in their tracks.

Straight men and some straight women are completely delusional.

I definitely think that masculine gay men are much more threatening to straight men than the femme yasss queens are.

[quote]It wasn’t then so much a fear of close male relationships but a strong taboo on anal sex because it risked introducing and spreading incurable diseases into the community.

Syphilis, which was the deadliest STD before antibiotics and AIDS came along, was spread mainly by straight sex.

[quote]People are threatened by how many men do gay sex.

This is true. Look at the pics of the crowds at Pride parades in cities all over the world. There are a LOT of us. I don't think a lot of straight people realized just how many of us there were when things were still in the closet.

So many comments about gay men and anal sex, yet I believe it was S.F.'s BAR that published a survey they did, and quite a large number of respondents stated that their favorite and preferred activity was mutual oral and cum swapping.

Costume designers and cosmetologists are less valuable to the middle class than plumbers, mail carriers, and Labradoodle breeders.

[quote]My response now is, "No, would you?" Stops them right in their tracks.

r78 I tried that and the dude hit me with, "I mean, if the price is right, sure! So, what's yours?"

I just walked away. These millennial straight men are built different.