Who Are The Meanest Celebrities?

Madonna

The "I'm gonna shit in your wig", winner

Nicole Ritchie

Madonna gets a reputation for being mean but it’s rare she actually attacks anyone publicly. Elton John has been pretty vile toward and her and Piers Morgan and she basically never responds. She might be a monster behind closed doors for all we know, but she’s generally restrained and isnt prone to tirades, so I’m not sure it’s entirely warranted.

Speaking of which, Piers Morgan is a an odious cretin and Elton John an utter bitch.

We also can’t not mention Lea Michelle and Patti Lupone.

Donald Trump probably wins the thread. He’s a celebrity, like it or not, who also happens to be the fucking devil.

But Piers Morgan and Elton John are celebrities with position, such as it is, love, hate or be indifferent to them. They know how to counter-punch and aren't afraid of a public brawl.

The reports I've read here at the good old DL describe Madonna being mean to and punching down on powerless nobodies.

That shit, if true, doesn't speak well of someone who is rich and famous.

Noblesse Oblige, its phony or honest practice thereof, still has value.

Sometimes a truly mean person is seen in a more positive light after they suffer a personal tragedy, which makes absolutely no sense to me. They still did all those terrible things. A little bad luck doesn't rewrite the past. And then after they die, everyone will act like they were a saint. And the people they were mean to will then be looked at as villains. Such bullshit.

Madonna owns this thread.

Helen Lawson. Thread closed.

Jennifer Lopez.

What r7 said, too.

Where are more males that can be pointed out?

As usual, so far, we're jumping on women.

Kiefer Sutherland. I’ve heard lots of stories, just a mean nasty guy.

Turman Capote, D'uh!

Lauren Bacall. It's hard to find people who said anything even decent about her.

Faye Dunaway?

Katharine Hepburn treated Betty Bacall like absolute shit when Kate was at her senile stage. Hepburn went after Bacall with claws out, accusing her of all kinds of things.

When Bacall was doing a polite charity visit.

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James Corden seems to be a bit of a prick.

Jeremy Piven.

Terrence Howard.

John Heileman.

Debra Winger, no?

John Krasinski and Emily Blunt

Males?

Wallace Beery was awful. He, Albert Broccoli and another guy beat Ted Healy to death outside the Trocadero.

What? No Julia Roberts?

He just died, Ryan O'Neal. No one has a good word for the guy.

Russell Crowe is a violent psycho, so there's a good male example.

The dude who played Austin Powers. Mike something.

Kirk Douglas too, a huge asshole and possibly worse

Ellen DeGeneres?

I recall a DLer who worked at a hotel saying Maria Shriver was "the witchiest witch who ever witched". LOL. She looks it. She is in fact on all the "celebrity bad tipper/no tipper" lists.

Rosie and Roseanne

R33 That’s fascinating. I wondered about that. She has that unique combination of Kennedy “American Royalty” and then Arnold Schwarzenegger at his prime stature, and physically a giant head.

I'd add Azealia Banks to the list, but she might just be flat out mentally ill.

Lou Reed.

John Cale.

Lou Reed

Anita Baker

Jlo is supposed to be really nasty especially towards attractive women.

Has anyone said Lou Reed?

Lauren Hutton

Didn't Lou Reed have his brain fried from intense ECT (that his parents okay'd) when he was a teen?

I’m surprised there has only been one mention of the Queen of Mean Ellen Degeneres

Lou Reed.

R41 - Jen Garner

Comedians are infamous for being mean. Ellen, Rosie, David Letterman, Roseanne, Jerry Lewis... all of them are known for either screaming at or freezing out people they work with.

Anna Wintour

Naomi Campbell

I'm not understanding the Ellen D critics. I'm willing to hear something terrible about her and inclined to believe the worst about everyone. But I don't get it

R48 I remember as a kid reading about a film set on which rabbits were used in a scene, and setting them on the hot pavement caused concern. Lewis suggested something like “kick em in the balls”.

James Woods. Joan Crawford.

Celeste Holme seemed like a bit of a cunt in interviews.

Julianne Moore, seriously.

Ana Mariella Bacigalupo is very mean and rude.

R53. Oh, she was.

The little boy who played Bobby Draper #3 said January Jones was mean. They only person that came to her defense with John Slattery who was probably just trying to get in her pants.

R33 I’ve worked with Maria Shriver three times over the course of 20 years for a charity event. She was fun and sweet the first time, nice but not as warm the second time. The last time I worked with her….child! She’s on some kind of opioids. Totally off in the head.

Maria Shriver has not been right in the head since a routine visit to the face sharpener went horribly wrong.

I tell this story on DL every time about Maria. When she was Cali's First Lady, she owned a home goods store in Brentwood called Room With A View. A friend worked there and she said that anytime Maria's white Mercedes pulled up and the door slammed, everyone started shaking. They were in for at least a half an hour of screaming. After Arnold's affair with the housekeeper was revealed, my friend said it made total sense because Maria undoubtedly treated domestics worse than shit so this maid had the most glorious secret and revenge on her.

January Jones being mentioned reminded me of that washed-out, rabbit-faced looking chick who was a toxic thorn in the side of a black actor.

The restaurateur calling James Cordon out for being a jackass is really funny to read.

Unfortunately the restauranteur was Keith McNally, who is also a grizzled piece of shit.

I think all celebrities are various degrees of garbage. Between the San Andreas and fire season, I hope we have far fewer of them in the future.

^^Nothing like wishes of genocide to warm a cold winter afternoon, eh?

Corpse

Of course Taylor Swift

Azealia Banks is mean, but I can't help laughing at what she says, sometimes. She's incisive. But yeah, she should probably see a professional.

Leona Helmsley

I used to be a shop boy in Beverly Hills.

Just from that experience alone: Julie Kavner, Paula Abdul, and Diane Keaton.

Surprisingly, Marcia Cross, Leo DiCaprio, and Conan O'Brien are total sweethearts.

Julie Kavner r69? That surprises me for some reason.

I was very surprised R70 . I was not expecting it. She was the worst of the three I mentioned.

Kavner is so wealthy from all those years of The Simpsons. Money can't buy you happiness, I guess.

Surprised that Paula Abdul is unpleasant. She does seem drugged-up all the time. She's got problems, I guess.

Conan O'Brien seems like he'd be an asshole. Good to hear he's not.

Isn't Mariah Carey mean?

Chevy Chase's consistent nastiness is explored at some length in the oral history of SNL Tom Shales co-wrote.

How has nobody mentioned Chris Brown yet? He seems to get a pass because he’s black? He should be in jail.

Oh, and JADA PINKET FUCKFACE.

[quote]I'm not understanding the Ellen D critics. I'm willing to hear something terrible about her and inclined to believe the worst about everyone. But I don't get it

Here's the famous Buzzfeed expose from 2020 on what a horrible person she was to her employees.

Kanye West. I know he’s mentally ill but he’s also just a vile human being. His latest thing seems to be using his new wife as some kind of human sex doll for public display.

Ellen's unpleasantness was a known fact even before that Buzzfeed expose. There were several articles about it, but apparently none of them were quite as viral until the Buzzfeed one hit.

A Black woman who used to work on The Ellen DeGeneres Show told BuzzFeed News she experienced racist comments, actions, and “microaggressions” during her year and a half as an employee. She said when she was hired, a senior-level producer told her and another Black employee, “Oh wow, you both have box braids; I hope we don’t get you confused.” And at a work party, she said, one of the main writers told her, “I’m sorry, I only know the names of the white people who work here,” and other coworkers “awkwardly laughed it off” instead of coming to her defense.

When the former employee brought up issues of race and representation on the show and asked producers not to use offensive terms like “spirit animal” in segments, her colleagues called her “the PC police.”

Wendy Williams used to describe Kim Kardashian as Kanye West's "big old Barbie doll." (Back when they were a couple.) I do think Kanye is living vicariously through these women that he dresses up like dolls.

Alec Baldwin

I read the Buzzfeed article,its a three minute read. I scoured for the dirt on Ellen but read about the same sort of toxic workplace complaints Buzzfeed media also endured.

She is not a celebrity and is practically a corpse but I ran into IT during my shopbottom days and encountered a spiteful, sour, low class bitch who enjoyed talking down to people, Cindy I wash my hair once a month Adams.

[quote] Donald Trump probably wins the thread. He’s a celebrity, like it or not, who also happens to be the fucking devil.

But weirdly enough, that lard ass has a long standing reputation of being the consummate gentleman whenever he's around people he doesn't think are out to get him. But sadly for him, those numbers are getting fewer and fewer.

Sitcom writer Ken Levine shared a tidbit on Ellen. He didn’t say what she did but he had some interaction with her (Emmys?) and said she was a massive asshole.

He’s a guy who gets along with everyone and rarely has a bad word to say so it carried a lot of weight.

Re: Ellen:

More on Ellen:

Asshole behavior, r87.

More on Ellen:

I began reading about Ellen's meanness during the 2007 Writer's Guild strike when some writers used their time to blog about her backstage behavior. The only things I recall are that she glowered at staff when displeased, wouldn’t say what she wanted, and expected immediate mind reading and correction. Also, Christmas bonuses for the writers was some very low denomination Amex gift card. Recall she used to shill for them.

Elon Musk spews hate on twitter 24/7

Jonathan Rhys-Meyers. And not just because he's a drunkard.

Lucille Ball.

Billy Mumy did an Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode as a kid that Hitch directed himself. He said Hitchcock was really mean to him.

R6- What about Michelle Lee ?

R82- He belongs on the list of THE MOST CLOSETED CELEBRITIES.

Martha Stewart

Call me a silly faggot but I'm still TEAM Martha

I would love to run up on Ellen in public just so I could look her in the eye and say "what's up beyotch!". But then, people like her of most often terrified of anyone they don't have some sort of control over.

R93- and not just because he's a HOMO

[quote] He said Hitchcock was really mean to him.

Hitchcock had a shitty attitude and disliked most actors. He said they were little more than cattle.

[quote] Call me a silly faggot but I'm still TEAM Martha

I won't call you a faggot, but it is indeed silly to be TEAM (Stan) Anyone except for yourself (i.e., Team Me).

There are lots of celebrities who will not let employees look at them directly: Ellen, Sylvester Stallone, J-Lo and Marc Anthony, Donald Sutherland, Katy Perry, Tom Cruise, David Letterman, Leo di Caprio.

What Ellen needs is some good dick.

[quote]Lauren Bacall. It's hard to find people who said anything even decent about her.

One time on the news, about a year before Bacall died, they showed her attending a high profile funeral.

There was a little boy standing on the sidewalk in front of the funeral home. Bacall starts yelling at him and waving her cane, “Get outta my way.”

She must have been really hated for the news to show her being mean to a little boy standing on the sidewalk minding his own business.

Julie Kavner was a cunt when she did Rhoda. At a wrap party, she shoved a few female assistants. Everyone thought she was seriously bipolar, which she might be.

[quote]We also can’t not mention Lea Michelle and Patti Lupone.

Broadway people, in general, are nasty and catty. This has been the case for decades. I think it's because they feel stuck on Broadway and would much rather have careers in TV and film, and have recording careers. Eight shows a week for little pay and recognition turns them into bitches.

Donald Spoto's biography details many of the mean things Hitchcock did to people over the years, the most notorious being the unnecessary torture of Tippi Hedren in set during "The Birds" by forcing her for a week to have animal wranglers throw live birds directly at her. She eventually had a breakdown when a gull tied to her went for her eye, and production had to be shut down for days.

Hitchcock loved pulling pranks on people, just as Ellen does. Chronic pranksters are usually people with a LOT of anger bottled in them (see also: Mel Gibson), and so they think it's funny to see other people humiliated.

I would have expected Diane Keaton to be more oblivious and head-in-the-clouds than mean.

Unknown in the U.S. unless you have some familiarity with British tabloids, Dan Wootton, gay conservative celebrity journalist. There's a thread with ~ 500 posts about his prolific sleaze including blackmailing and extorting gay men with surreptitious video.

[quote]Broadway people, in general, are nasty and catty. This has been the case for decades. I think it's because they feel stuck on Broadway and would much rather have careers in TV and film, and have recording careers. Eight shows a week for little pay and recognition turns them into bitches.

But the most infamous stories of Lea Michele's nastiness stem from when she was on a hit TV show.

Wootton link

[quote]Kavner is so wealthy from all those years of The Simpsons. Money can't buy you happiness, I guess.

The Simpsons voice actors are some of the luckiest cunts in showbiz. They just happened to be in the right place at the right time and got a dream gig that's made them millions. Kavner makes something like $400,000 per episode and doesn't even have to leave her house. She lives on Long Island and records her lines over the phone.

Mumy said that he was on a set and Hitchcock came over to him and told him if he moved again he would nail his feet to the floor.

I can sort of, in a very minor way, understand that perhaps someone with hundreds of employees under them may not want to say hi to every one of them, know their names, etc. They should delegate that to several assistants, so that any questions get answered calmly.

But for Ellen to treat a neighbor like that is outrageous. If she yelled "Get back" at me I'd yell back "Get fucked, you crazy bitch!"

Kathy Griffin, her own problems aside, made a guest appearance on Ellen’s sitcom and wrote about it in her book. She said the table read was very tense, that nobody would laugh unless Ellen did. Griffin said Ellen ruled that set with an iron fist.

Others have good things to say about Ellen from that period, but Griffin was one of the first to publicly criticise her. The floodgates would open later.

How is The Simpsons still a thing?

Don't forget George Clooney, r108.

At least Kavner isn't donating millions to Scientology like Nancy Cartwright.

I handled a lot of celebrities who came to my college when I was a student. There were many nice ones, but some were difficult.

Lauren Bacall was bossy and dismissive, and treated everyone like they were beneath her Miserable woman. Think Jean Smart's character in Hacks.

Cary Grant was cold as ice, and his stern wife was even colder. I think he was attracted to me, but didn't want to show it in front of his wife, so he was aloof.

Terri Nunn of Berlin. I knocked on her dressing room door to see if she needed anything and she answered in just a towel. She told me to come in and opened her towel(she was completely naked) and asked if I liked what I saw? I nearly passed out because I was still closeted and I had no interest in her. It was SO awkward. I never dealt with her again. I wanted her bandmate John Crawford to seduce me instead, but he never did.

i met cheryl once and she was a total cunt

That makes me laugh, r118. These days if someone strips off in front of you, you can sue them for sexual harassment!

R86 I miss By Ken Levine, his old blog.

He was also the one that read Roseanne for the filth she was, is and continues to be.

It really is a beautiful read, especially for a straight man. The part where he says "For that alone, I have no use for her" and then goes in for the kill is just glorious......

Hahahah R90

Is that one of her comedy acts?

Imagine running into someone that deranged.

Levine also ripped Cybill Shepherd a new one. He’s not the only one.

Fuck them all R103

This is drug addict behavior, such nasty cunts.

[quote]I handled a lot of celebrities who came to my college when I was a student. There were many nice ones, but some were difficult.

This isn't a personal story but a friend of mine was a student at Columbia University in the late 90s when Sigourney Weaver visited for some event or another. My friend was in charge of her during her time there, i.e. showing her around, introducing her to people, seeing if she needed anything etc. He said she was absolutely lovely and chatted with him about his life and goals etc. while he was with her. A few days after the event she called him personally to thank him and tell him what a good time she had.

Class act, that Sigourney.

R33, she's just mad because she has a skinny head and her famous hubby very publicly cheated on her with Consuela from Family Guy!

r90 sounds like a reaction caused by post-traumatic stress disorder.

However, no else has to accommodate or manage Ellen's PTSD except Ellen. She's wealthy enough to hire security to avoid people coming too close in her personal space.

Also, this guy was just leaving his house. He is permitted to do so and it wasn't done to upset Ellen D!

"Who Are The Meanest Celebrities?"

Lauren Bacall. But Gregory Peck was WONDERFUL.

Let us not forget songstress/cuntress Cilla Black.

She wouldn't respond to flight attendants, making them communicate through her assistant next to her. Finally one skymary snapped, "I knew you couldn't sing, but I didn't know you couldn't talk."

[quote]She wouldn't respond to flight attendants

I was saving my voice!

R129 that’s a hilarious comeback. Love it. Plentiful stories of Cilla being an absolute cunt to anybody she deemed beneath her (which was about 99.99% of the population).

R108 -

'Hitchcock loved pulling pranks on people, just as Ellen does. Chronic pranksters are usually people with a LOT of anger bottled in them (see also: Mel Gibson), and so they think it's funny to see other people humiliated.'

*cough*George Clooney*cough*

Esther Rolle

[quote]I flew BA the day it was announced that Cilla Black had died. I was in the galley and asked the cabin crew (this was LHR-JFK in F) if they had ever worked any flights with her and if the rumours were true. One said she had flown with her many times and she very diplomatically said, "well, she never spoke to you personally, it was always her husband, assistant or travelling companion, so as I never spoke to her I cannot say whether those rumours are true". That said it all to me!

A few Chevy Chase stories ...

[quote]Director Chris Columbus was hired to direct Chevy in National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation, but that gig was over before a line of dialogue was recorded. A get-to-know-you dinner was a disaster. “To be completely honest,” says Columbus, “Chevy treated me like dirt.” A second meeting went even worse. “I called John (Hughes) and said, 'There’s no way I can do this movie. I know I need to work, but I can’t do it with this guy’.”

[quote]The new Not Ready for Prime Time Players revered Chase as a comedy god, says cast member Terry Sweeney, but it didn’t take long for God to start smiting. “(Chase) said to Robert Downey, Jr., ‘Didn’t your father used to be a successful director? Whatever happened to him? Boy, he sure died, you know, he sure went to hell.’”

[quote]That was nothing compared to what Chevy had loaded up for Sweeney, the show’s first openly gay cast member. “I’ve got an idea for a sketch for you. How about we say you have AIDS and we weigh you every week?” Chase wasn’t done, according to Jon Lovitz. At a writers’ meeting, “Chevy looks at Terry Sweeney and goes, “You’re gay, right?” Terry goes, “Yes, what would you like me to do for you?” Chevy goes, “Well, you can start by licking my balls.” “It was out of place,” says Sweeney. Lorne Michaels agreed and tried to get Chevy to set things right. “So then he ended up … coming to my office. He was really furious that he had to apologize to me. He was a monster.”

Faye Dunaway

R136, good one! She is known to be a bitch

A lot of the people who refuse to interact directly with working people (or try to prohibit working people from looking at them) grew up in very poor circumstances themselves or else worried they would spend their lives being poor. The "don't look at me"/"don't talk to me, even if it's your job" prohibition is a way of exercising distance and control from their poor backgrounds.

I used to live in Los Angeles, and though i did not work in the entertainment industry, I had friends who did, and they would indulge this behavior, and not just socially. I was more than once instructed before parties or get-togethers not to look directly at some celebrity or other who would be there: not just not [italic]gawk[/italic] at them (which is understandable, although I think that would have gone without saying), but not even to cast my eyes in their direction. I realized when I left LA how insane that was and how it just enabled celebrities to keep demanding that behavior.

Surprised Nathan Lane hasn't been mentioned yet. Is he still considered a celebrity?

Kathleen Battle

Paul Lynde was infamous for getting incredibly nasty and acidulous if he drank, which was ALL the time. His behavior at the Golden Globes awards ceremonies was notorious.

La Buckley.

Lucille Ball

I've read things online about Adam Scott snapping and yelling at movie theater employees, and crew refusing to work on things if he's in them. It was alarming because he always seemed like such a harmless nerdy guy, but then I thought about real life and harmless nerdy guys are often assholes.

Joan Collins

Somebody posted that Carrie Preston and Michael Emerson are hard to deal with.

Any Soap meanies? Past or present.

R142 She’s lovely if you’re not being super fan.

The biggest pain in the ass I ever dealt with was Jeannie C. Riley. To set the stage, it was at least 90 degrees and she was in a fur coat. I was helping out at a graduation ceremony and was tasked with finding her a seat. Every time I found one, she hated it. Four or five seats were rejected and finally I told her I had to get back to the door. She huffed at me and plopped down in a set designated for handicapped. I said screw it and left her there.

R148, the name made me remember Jeannie Berlin, daughter of Elaine May and Oscar nominee for Heartbreak Kid. She's was so miserable that a few people actually tried to punch her on the set of Sheila Levine. Roy Scheider, no walk in the park himself, said if she were a guy he would have beaten the shit out of her. She had something of a resurgence last year when she was seen with Bill Murray. God, talk about a pair.

R147 Victoria Rowell

I wonder if being a pill hurt Jeannie Berlin's career? I saw her as Julia Louis-Dreyfus' mother in "You Hurt My Feelings" and it was the first time I'd thought of her in years.

Roseanne is just crazy. I don’t equate crazy to mean, it’s just insanity. A whole different stratosphere. You can’t tell people like her to screw off. It just doesn’t work. Celebrity exacerbates it.

Karma is a bitch in her case. So much wasted opportunity and no one to blame but herself.

Donald Trump

You can be both crazy and mean. Roseanne is both.

Jeannie Berlin was in "Succession" as the head of the Roys' TV network.

I once heard from a friend of Alan ball's that Ball thought the difference between working with Grace Butler and Cybill Shepherd was that Butler was crazy, but basically a kind person, but that Shepherd was crazy (though not as much so) but also really mean. He said that as a result, despite the disaster of "Grace Under Fire" he had mostly good memories of that experience, but that "Cybill" was one of the most horrible experiences he had ever been through.

Comedians are said to be the most difficult. So many of them are miserable and unhappy people.

You bitches slip. It's very obviously DL icon Deb Winger.

I have a friend who used to drive a limousine and wound up doing a lot of work for Letterman and Saturday Night Live.

He said David Letterman was cold and curt to the point of overt hostility and made him feel uncomfortable.

He said Paul Schaffer was the absolute nastiest prick he ever encountered, on the job or off. Whiny. mean, belittling, foul-mouthed.

The SNL cast members were a mixed bunch. He had memories of RDJ during that time and said he started out a bouncy, friendly, happy-go-lucky sort and then got sadder and more quiet as the year went one, actually bursting into tears the last time he saw him. Look at the timeline, he suspected RDJ had been told he would not be returning to the show that day.

He drove Bacall a number of times during the same period. Said she was quiet (read in the car) but perfectly civil and tipped him well. He also said it was not until she left the car the first time he drove her that he realized she had star power - he said she got out of the car as if she was shrugging off a floor-length sable.

R156 Brett seems to have disappeared lately.

Cybill’s reputation is well known but I still find the bitch fun to watch.

Someone who worked on the MCU films said the only cast member no one liked, cast or crew, was Martin Freeman.

Evidently he's a bitey little gnome.

She told me to come in and opened her towel(she was completely naked) and asked if I liked what I saw?

You should have responded "Pffffft, no hon I only like dick", and then flounced out with an over the shoulder look of dismissiveness as you slammed the door on her.

HMMMM

[quote]Martin Freeman. Evidently he's a bitey little gnome.

I think his tv show Breeders is a softened version of his real personality and his marriage to Amanda Abbington. His character in that show has a short fuse, is mean and swears continuously.

Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch loathe each other.

R160 it looked as if briefly Brett B was about to come back. But alas it fizzled out.

That Margulies cunt.

R165, I was sorry to learn this as I loved the first two seasons of Sherlock. I thought they had great rapport.

That said, according to my contact people like Chris Evans, RDJ and Elizabeth Olsen sort of rolled their eyes whenever he was mentioned.

I had a crush on Tim in The Office. But, obviously Martin Freeman is nothing like him.

I know someone who worked as an extra on a John Goodman film. Said Goodman was a big, sweating jerk who had several assistants holding little fans around him at all times he was off camera. At one point he had a fit, stormed off to his trailer and kept everyone waiting for hours.

Barbra Brolin

Cheech Marin

[quote] He said Paul Schaffer was the absolute nastiest prick he ever encountered, on the job or off. Whiny. mean, belittling, foul-mouthed.

Paul Schaffer has no business belittling anyone.

14th Dalai Lama.

Ellen shrieking at her neighbor to get away from her makes me think she has brain damage from drinking too much.

The thing about Roseanne is that she's suffered actual brain damage in the past. Like Phineas Gage personality changing brain damage.

"At age 16, however, Barr was hit by a car, and the car's hood ornament impaled her skull; the incident left her with a traumatic brain injury. Her behavior changed so radically that she was institutionalized for eight months at Utah State Hospital."

Debra Winger

Diahann Carroll

I feel like with Ellen, her being in the public eye for so long as one of the first out and proud celebrity lesbians contributed to her bad attitude. Think about it, lesbians love eating pussy and Ellen probably felt like she had to assume the role of a cunt because she was *the* most famous carpet-muncher in Hollywood. There was a huge amount of pressure on her to be the family-friendly dyke that the general public could be at ease with. Add to that the years of chowing down on Portia de Rossi's muff going to her head and you get yourself a person who is a genuine asshole.

Does Ellen eat pussy like it's on a cobb?

Doesn’t everyone?

Honestly - I think Ellen became a bitch after being fucked over so much and realizing her being nice wasn't going to cut it.

She's been through a lot - and was a real trailblazer. It took a lot of guts. And she did suffer for it for a few years.

Not to mention her family abandoning her when she came out - only several years later to 'take her back in again'.

Plus being one of the few female comedians on the road among all men in these comedy gigs - I'm sure she's seen a TON of bullshit and discrimination.

Debra Winger also had a brain/head injury before she was famous.

R182, interesting, I'd never heard that before

"At age 18, after returning to the U.S., she was involved in a car crash and suffered a cerebral hemorrhage; as a result, she was left partially paralyzed and blind for 10 months, initially being told that she would never see again."

Have read that Steve Harvey is really mean to his staff.

Bea Arthur.

Tommy Lee Jones. My brother briefly worked for him, and he said TLJ was an asshole. He met Kevin Bacon, too, and said he was pretty cool.

Belinda Carlisle & Charlotte Caffey.

Belinda outs them both on the '94 double disk set saying to the crowd" Does anyone like to be mean? I like to be mean. I know Charlotte likes to be mean. WHo doesn't like to be mean?" before singing the song.

So there you have it straight from the augmented horse's mouth.

FFS, the fucking Harkles take the cake.

The wannabe face of L'Oréal spent years in interviews name-dropping by saying Ellen the arsehole told her to buy a rescue dog, which she ended up ghosting because the dog didn't like Dimbo.

Getting her ex-husband to get her a role in Suits, then FedExing her rings back to him.

Dimbo dashing off across the pond to see his father, the King, as Thomas Markle has long one foot in the grave and has never actually met Harry. And hasn't even met Archie and Lili. But Dimbo merched the visit with Charles on GMA and tried to get back in with his family. Using cancer to get back in.

Mainly inviting celebs to the evening wedding reception and not even inviting Markle's family, save Doria, to the actual wedding.

Nothing says arsehole like a person who tries to get an A-list celebrity they've never met like Reese Witherspoon to come to their wedding, but has no siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles and childhood friends there.

Shitting on the entire BRF from great height via Oprah, the Netflix special and WAAUGH.

Nobody is meaner than the Harkles that we know of, Trump aside.

[quote] "Victoria Rowell"

I love her on "Diagnosis Murder", R150.

Bitchlinda Carlisle is a huge, emotionally manipulative cunt and has been for years. Not only that, but she tried to take income from other band members.

I have no use for that cunt.

Sally Jessy Raphael

Was Joan Crawford mean enough to be included?

Fuck yes, R192.

Don't be silly, R192. She was a beautiful human being and a great mother.

Victoria had to work with that bigot Scott Baio, who allegedly disparaged her biracial background while working on the set of DIAGNOSIS: MURDER.

R190 How did she try to take their income?

Getting tricky to differentiate between "mean" and "batshit".

Crawford was a trauma survivor of child as and a drunk.

Some people say she was a loyal and thoughtful friend, others a saboteur and much worse.

Bill Murray is known to be mean.

Many people listed on here are not actually known for being mean.

R106- Maybe she flirted with these girls and they spurned her advances so that put her in a BITCHY mood.

r69 What did Julie Kavner do that was so horrible?

R181 is Ellen Degeneres

R201 She wore minimal makeup Rose.

[quote] Plus being one of the few female comedians on the road among all men in these comedy gigs - I'm sure she's seen a TON of bullshit and discrimination.

Oh, boo hoo hooey hoo hoo. You're just making cheap excuses for her.

Lots of other women have made it in male-dominated professions and have not behaved like she has. Life is hard for everyone.

[quote] Honestly - I think Ellen became a bitch after being fucked over so much and realizing her being nice wasn't going to cut it.

If so, it was pretty hypocritical to keep saying to her audience on her talk show, "Be kind."

People forget that that's what actually spurred the flood of public reports of Ellen's coldness and unpleasant behavior. People who had worked under her or who had had unpleasant run-ins with her were disgusted by her hypocrisy.

Cindy Brady

Charlton Heston

ORCA

I mean OPRAH

She's mean if not the meanest.

The QUEEN of Mean

Leona Helmsley

r199 name them!

Name 'em.

Name 'em.

Name 'em

Ezra Miller.

R210, Julianna Margulies, for a start. Like Julia Roberts, the DL is determined to paint her as a raging bitch.

The only evidence? That she had a rift with a co-star, and we have no idea who did what. I’ve shared this before: I know someone who was recurring on the Good Wife and did many of their scenes with Julianna.

They said she’s a total pleasure from start to end. Can’t stop raving about her. (And this person has worked with bigger names.)

Mommie Dearest herself

FAYE DUNAWAY

Pure speculation but Bill O’Reilly. I didn’t work with him but walked by him at a media event and he was the meanest looking person I’ve very seen. He looked like he would snap your head off if you even looked like you were going to speak to him.

R213- Is Julia Margulies

r215 I worked around the corner from the Fox News building, years ago. I saw Bill O'Reilly on the street on numerous occasions and you're right. He always looked like a mean, nasty fucker. Life he would explode any second. And this was just walking down the street. He seemed like a miserable man.

I also saw Shepard Smith a lot, he was always outside smoking cigs.

Bill O'Reilly's face is etched with his asshole qualities.

[quote]Sally Jessy Raphael

I've posted this before, but I have a friend who works for a high-end custom bath company in New York. The company has dealt with industrialists, athletes, actors, politicians and such, but he said Sally Jessy Raphael was the worst client they ever had. The president of the company had to intervene because Sally was so rude to his employees.

I didn't realize Sally Jessy Raphael was still alive. You never hear about her.

O'Reilly is proof that you get the face you deserve, sooner or later

Teri Hatcher for sure. Sam Champion is a mean old queen.

Harvey Korman was a mean, nasty drunk who hated his kids.

Don Rickles seemed mean, but was he, really?

Bing Crosby

Bill Cosby

Lou Reed never seemed happy. And he never really stopped drinking, either. Maybe briefly in the 1980s.

I *hope* the “Julianne Moore, seriously” post was just that old (albeit funny) DL chestnut, and not someone really saying she’s mean. She’s always mentioned as one of the NICEST celebrities.

I’ve met quite a few celebrities, and the only one who was really an asshole was Liev Schreiber.

I really didn’t like Sally Jesse Raphael on her show. Quite the demagogue.

Beyonce can be a nasty bitch to servers. She refuses to look restaurant workers in the eye.

Susan Dey

[quote] Someone who worked on the MCU films said the only cast member no one liked, cast or crew, was Martin Freeman.

Can concur, he’s rude and ugly as sin.

Clara Bow….she was such a bitch to her directors, she even refused to speak in her movies.

I've posted this before, but, what the hell, I'll do it again.

A relative of mine attended Northwestern Law School. This was early 90s, when Oprah's Harpo Studios was operating in Chicago. Back then (and it still may be there) the NLS campus was located just off Lake Michigan in Chicago.

My relative told me that a classmate's girlfriend was employed at Harpo Studios.

When he was asked about what Oprah was like, the classmate said Oprah, behind the scenes, is unpleasant to EVERYBODY.

I'm just offering that as a nugget of credible gossip, and, in Oprah's defense, I won't single her out for that.

Plenty of people who reach her level, whether male, female binary, non-binary, gay, straight, bi, White, Black, aren't known for their niceness.

“ Bilbo” Martin Freeman, really!? That lovable Hobbit with the woolly feet?

Johnny Carson

Jerry and Jessica Seinfeld are both nasty to waitstaff and retail workers.

Why has it taken so long to add Jerry Lewis to the list? Didn't that last interview he gave confirm what many had known for decades?

There is a short documentary about his awful treatment of women who've worked with him in his films and his children have said in interviews that they hated when he'd come home from work as he seemed to be quite the bully.

[quote] Why has it taken so long to add Jerry Lewis to the list?

Tell me about it.

Wow, I'm surprised Liev Schreiber is a jerk. Funny he's mentioned because I just got done watching Ray Donovan.

[quote] Donald Trump probably wins the thread.

I pray for his death daily, but I’m forced to disagree. As a person interacting with other random people, he’s actually supposed to be rather charming.

Of course he’s a pathological narcissist, so when someone’s in his way, forget it.

I actually saw an example of this in the late 80s. I was working in the pr business before I went to law school and took a client to the restaurant in one of Leona’s hotels (I forget the name, on 43nd st, I think near third ave). My colleague Marilyn had joked that there was a table there that was Leona’s and was reserved always for her. She was right! On this occasion the client and I sit down and sure enough Leona is there with Trump. We noticed and whispered about it.

A few minutes later the client stood talking in mid sentence. He was seated facing Leona’s table. Leona is having a meltdown about the butter. My client narrated because I’m not the kind to turn around and stare. Apparently Leona was putting the poor girl through the wringer, but the whole time Trump was trying to talk Leona down and make the girl relax.

I had read so much about Trump in Spy (THE magazine of the 80s) that this took me by surprise.

Maureen Dowd has said the same — that Trump can be quite reasonable and charming in private.

Still hope he dies though!

Not 43rd, 42nd ^^^

Klaus Kinski wins this thread.

Watch the movie My Best Fiend and then close this thread, please.

r240, that was probably three decades ago, I doubt he's ever pleasant or reasonable theses days.

[[quote]] Susan Dey

r231, do you have specfic gossip about Susan Dey being mean? A while ago there was a thread where a former casting director or something said "don't ask" when asked about Susan. When my husband and I joke about someone being an asshole or mean, we say "He/She is a real Susan Dey" Any details??? I've linked the thread I mentioned below and the comment about Dey is #81

Has Susan Dey commented on r244?

R18, actually they were very close friends. Bacall was not a nice woman. I saw that up close. She was a crank- cheap, chip on her shoulder for some reason, loud and abusive. But when you gave it back to her- she backed down.

I’ve never heard or rather read of more peers speaking poorly about a peer than Madonna. Faye D is mentally ill- my guess is a borderline personality.

R237 again -

Here's that doc on Jerry Lewis' treatment of women:

Sally Jessy Raphael

Sally called the furniture store a day after she ordered a shit ton of furniture and barked “Where’s my goddamned furniture”?

Almost every person I ever met in the business said Lewis was the absolute worst.

God please provide at least one example or supposed example

R251, I'll do a funny one about Lewis. When stripper Liz Renay talked about her celebrity clients, she said Burt Lancaster was the best lover ever. Then she said Lewis was the worst because all he wanted to do was to have her walk around wearing silk stockings with a garter belt and then he put a white rug in front of him.

R252. Was there a glass coffee table involved?

r249, I posted that ages ago on an old thread, she was deranged...and she seemed so pleasant in person.

I thought you guys were talking about Sally Field.

Joan Rivers said that Jerry Lewis threatened physical harm on her. She made a joke about him doing the Muscular Dystrophy telethons, saying that it was good for his career (to do the telethons). Jerry didn't like the joke and threatened her.

All you have to do is watch old interviews of Jerry. There is something scary about him. He cut all 6 of his sons out of his will.

Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis naked in the shower

Another one of Dean and Jerry

Bill Maher seems like he'd be a bastard

Danny Kaye was well-known as being a mean, nasty asshole.

From writer Mark Evanirs blog, featuring shade most delicious from Vincent Price:

" I remember this show being quite wonderful and this episode does not disappoint. Danny Kaye is amazing. He sings, he dances, he does characters, he tells jokes…he's absolutely perfect to star in a weekly variety show. I love him on screen enough to be troubled and conflicted by something. Years later when I got into the business of writing — sometimes writing variety shows, in fact — I got to work with and/or know an awful lot of people who worked on this show including all but one of its writers. They all hated Danny Kaye. I was very close with Howard Morris who was a recurring sketch player on this show. He hated Danny Kaye. I did a show one time with Vincent Price, who was one of the sweetest, gentlest men you could ever hope to meet. Over lunch, someone remarked how the actors who played the worst villains were always like that in real life and Mr. Price remarked, "Yes, it amuses me how many people thought I was like the monster in the Edgar Allan Poe movies and thought Danny Kaye was a nice man."

r257 fucking fags!

"Adding my 2 cents here. I met Danny Kaye. To make a long story short, I grew up in NY City. I was a teenager and went with a bunch of friends to see Two By Two starring Danny Kaye. Because of some connections, our group went backstage to meet DK. Now, I was an insecure 15-year-old who had struggled with my weight since toddlerhood....I managed to keep my weight just slightly above the acceptable range for my height by continuous diet and reasonable exercise.

Danny Kaye took it upon himself to humiliate me in front of my friends by telling me I was fat and needed to lose weight. Please tell me why a grown man felt the need to do that to a child. I hated him from that day forward -- to this day I won't watch anything that has Danny Kaye in it. "

A link about Kayes onstage nastiness in "Two By Two"

Pearl Bailey is said to have been not only mean, but petty and vindictive.

Damn these are some ancient celebrities.

And dead.

Jerry Seinfeld is a jerk. He was rude to Jim Gaffigan and was even pompous to Eddie Murphy on his Coffee/Comedians show. Turns out he was a d*ck to Ke$sha too.

I find this very disappointing, he's a funny guy.

R261 please pack it in with your extremely tired, unfunny, Matt Damon schtick. You stink up replies.

John Malkovich and he knows why!

R254 your original post is seared into my memory. I still find it hilarious as hell that Sally did that.

According to DL, Lauren Graham

Justin Bieber seems mean.

I recall someone posting years ago that they had found Daniel Craig to be mean - and short - during a shared elevator ride.

Taylor Swift

[quote]Justin Bieber seems mean.

He suffers from PTSD.

The infamous Pearl Bailey/Maya Angelou story was confirmed by Maya Angelou's son on American Masters:

My mother had a chance to do the understudy in 'Hello Dolly' with Pearl Bailey as the lead. For my mother it would have meant living continuously in New York, without leaving me for at least a year. And it was regular money.

The director and the producer both loved her but Pearl Bailey came back and said 'Oh no, I ain't gonna have this big ol' ugly girl be my understudy.' There are very few times in my life that I remember my mother crying, because this meant she had to go back out on the road and find other work.

It was devastating because I knew all the sacrifices my mother made to keep me. 35 years later when Pearl Bailey was getting a Lifetime award, and they asked her, 'Who do you want to give it to you?' She said, 'Maya Angelou.' And guess who gave it to her, and never said a damn thing?

Tom Selleck

r274 boohoo.

[quote]he threw the cheeseburger across the set & it hit an old lady background actor smack in her face.

And?

[quote]When stripper Liz Renay talked about her celebrity clients, she said Burt Lancaster was the best lover ever. Then she said Lewis was the worst because all he wanted to do was to have her walk around wearing silk stockings with a garter belt and then he put a white rug in front of him.

In one of Liz's books, she said he wanted her to prance around while he jacked off into a square of white shag carpeting he kept in his pocket. After he ejaculated into the rug, he told her, "This is the most honored piece of carpet in the world."

I miss that old whore and her stories!

I'm shocked to hear that about Pearl Bailey. All of the stories that I've heard about her are all sweetness and light. I don't know what to say.

Why John Heileman? Any specific stories? I mean, I can believe it because he reeks of asshole and arrogance, but I have never read about him.

Julianna Margulies has had negative stories following her since she broke out on ER. Then again, so did/do all the original cast members. Margulies died an under-five (sort of) and came back to life as a stah. The only person that I've read about having actually apologized for being an asshole was Noah Wyle.

I work in the industry and can tell you that just about everyone is mean at some point or other. So much pressure to behave, to keep up the image, and to fake intelligence (very few actors have IQs much over 100, although a few are actually very smart). Now and then you do run into some, however, who try their best to always be nice. David Hyde Pierce is a good man. Keanu Reeves lives up to his reputation. Jon Stewart is totally down to earth

But the meanest I ever ran into was Oprah. She truly believes that she is above the human race, and all the rest of us are either possible subjects in her kingdom, or people to be ignored or ridiculed. A horror of a woman. And yes, a lesbian from top to bottom.

Don't believe the Selleck story at all. My best friend worked on Magnum and I visited the location in Hawaii several times. He's one of the nicest and most professional people I'd ever met. If he indeed ever accidentally hit a woman with anything, he would have been over there in a second apologizing.

R280, Pearlie Mae's viciousness is legendary.

I had a wonderful experience with Lucille Ball in a bookstore that I'll always cherish. She thought I was an employee and asked me for help. We had a long conversation about books and authors. She couldn't have been nicer, or more gracious. So you never know with some of these celebrities. It all depends on when you catch them, and what the situation is.

That’s right r85 because 30 minutes later she’s a raging bitch full of insults

R283, the story comes from David Krumholtz, a well-known actor who has been in the business for years. I believe him.

At @4:45, I thought Oprah was a bit bitchy and dismissive about the fact that two little girls who were interviewing people (Their You Tube channel is called 'Recess Therapy') on the red carpet at the Golden Globes did not know who she was. Oprah throws a 'they don't know who I am' look at the guy who is with them, then tries to recover by complimenting them at how grown up they were for their age (7 y/o)

[quote]I work in the industry and can tell you that just about everyone is mean at some point or other. So much pressure to behave, to keep up the image, and to fake intelligence (very few actors have IQs much over 100, although a few are actually very smart).

Pushing back on this arrogant take for a second here. What aspect of the business do you work in? It's a bit different on LA sets, but with NY sets, almost all the actors come from theater backgrounds and are polite, professional and intelligent and know how to play well with others. A few exceptions of course, but just who the fuck are you to assess the intelligence quotient of anyone?

[quote] I miss By Ken Levine, his old blog.

[quote] He was also the one that read Roseanne for the filth she was, is and continues to be.

I remember his posts on her. Around that time, a woman who had worked as a stand-in on the Roseanne set blogged about her experiences on the set.

R282, and you know theses things how?

[quote]Like the time she wrote "Julia Loser Dry Puss" on Julia Louis-Dreyfus' car, in lipstick

R287, the end of the story should be how Selleck handled the situation. That would definitely inform the concept that he's a mean celebrity.

r266 Jerry Seinfeld is autistic, I think a lot of his rudeness derives from that

[quote]Jerry Seinfeld is autistic, I think a lot of his rudeness derives from that

What's his wife's excuse?

r295 she was molested by an old autistic comedian while she was in high school.

Ashley and Wynonna Judd (supposedly)

Nicki Minaj. A cunt to end all cunts in all of cuntitude.

[quote]Maureen Dowd has said the same — that Trump can be quite reasonable and charming in private.

Yeah, that cooze would say that, huh? I wouldn't believe a word she says.

Dowd strikes me as the kind of gal who would have happily blown Trump in his pre-AARP era.

Most sociopaths have a superficial charm and I don't doubt that some people who met him probably found Trump charming. But it doesn't change the fact that he's a rat bastard

Ashley Judd- Total bitch

Wynonna- Pleasant enough but very reserved

Naomi Judd- An absolute pleasure. Was very surprised about her mental health. I know she was a Trumper, but she was nothing like her bitch daughter Ashley

[quote] But the meanest I ever ran into was Oprah. She truly believes that she is above the human race, and all the rest of us are either possible subjects in her kingdom, or people to be ignored or ridiculed. A horror of a woman. And yes, a lesbian from top to bottom.

But how do you know, dahling? Did she scissor with you?

Bette Midler can be a monster. There are many stories of her losing it at sales help or at ushers and pulling the "Don't you know who I AM?" routine.

There are lots of stories about what a bitch Shirley Maclaine is, such as her having a meltdown at a fancy LA restaurant because they wouldn't prepare her a creme brulée during the Rodney King riots when they were all terrified and wanted to get home safely.

Frank Sinatra was known to be an asshole

Surprised Christina Aguilera in her heyday wasn’t mentioned

Jayne Mansfield was known to have road rage issues. She could lose her mind and head in a split second while driving around…..

R302 Too many different people have shared similar experiences with her over the years for me to completely buy into her whole “Harvey blacklisted me!” schtick.

[quote]Susan Sarandon

CUNT

A friend of mine, who never has a mean word to say about anybody, had to deal with her at a charity event. He called her a Cunt. He wouldn’t elaborate even though we tried to get him to.

Isn't Demi Lovato known to be a snot?

Have those cunts Jennifer Aniston and Courteney Cox been mentioned yet?

Susan Sarandon is not only a cunt, she's also an old viper that likes to sabotage other women.

Mellisa Errico… serving up cuntitude in every municipal auditorium from Huntsville to Spokane.

Maya Angelou.

The cunt of cunts.

OJ Simpson, Robert Blake and Brynn Hartman come to mind since it's really mean to murder someone, and Sean Penn and Chris Brown (as mentioned above) since it's very mean to beat up women.

[quote]Martin Freeman

From an article by Cailtin Moran (also a cunt) during the run of Sherlock:

[quote]Standing outside a location trailer is Martin Freeman. He is notably not wearing the safety helmets that are mandatory for everyone else on set, and is in the middle of explaining to one of the Sherlock runners – who is wearing her safety helmet – just why this is. “I’m a big fish, you see, love,” he says, sipping at his tea. “I’m… Johnny Big Bollocks. And you’re… you’re… what’s that stuff whales eat? Krill. You’re krill. Location krill. Krill wears a helmet.”

[quote]Freeman is on very good form today. Incredibly funny and incredibly filthy, he makes a comment about Una Stubbs that it would be inappropriate to repeat in The Times. (“I’ve been flirting with Una,” he concludes, after the bad story. “Well, it’s actually sexual aggression, but I often find the line between the two quite blurry.”)

Comedians or comedic actors on the whole are very unhappy people, with low impulse control. I've only worked with 3 that seemed normal: Al Madrigal, Conan, and Stephen Colbert.

With Bill Murray, he was an asshole to my assistant- made her cry in front of the whole crew for a mistake, such that his brothers came up to apologize, but then I witnessed him giving a $20 to an older hotel housekeeper passing by in the hallway.

That story makes Martin Freeman sound like a scumbag in a Guy Richie movie.

[quote]Frank Sinatra was known to be an asshole

Ben Johnson was a good friend of my parents and he used to tell them stories about celebrities and Hollywood. He told them that Frank Sinatra had deep ties to the mob. You didn't want to mess with him. Ben was the nicest man and a total teddy bear.

[quote]He told them that Frank Sinatra had deep ties to the mob

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Who was defending Trump? Gads. Sociopaths and psychopaths are known to have a glib, superficial charm. That doesn’t mean they don’t set about trying to harm and even destroy others if it so suits him. Trump not mean? The women he’s raped and sexually assaulted (including an underage girl allegedly) would beg to differ, as would the countless people he’s cheated and extorted over the years. I’m not even going down the whole treason and attempt to overturn democracy road.

So, yes, he is mean. Mean doesn’t even cut it.

What do we know about Katie Couric? Supposedly she went through assistants rather quickly.

^I love how Couric outed herself as a big ol' Cunt in her memoir.

Katie Couric was hanging out with Epstein AFTER he was exposed as a predator

Didn't Couric's housekeeper say that Katie would pick her nose all night and then leave the boogers on her pillow case for the housekeeper to clean up? I swear I read this somewhere. Housekeeper also said she didn't shower frequently.

It's alleged that Benedict Cumberbatch hasn't agreed to do any more installments of Sherlock, despite the show being a huge success and moneymaker, because:

A) He absolutely loathes Martin Freeman and can't stand to even be in the same room with him

B) The batshit insane fans who made his life hell by stalking him all over London.

Yep R326. Disgusting cunt.

Katie Couric's former housekeeper/nanny/whateverthefuck gave an interview and said Katie was filthy.

r327 I wouldn't be surprised if the increasingly poor writing of Gatiss and Moffat also played a role. But yeah, those fangirls of his are insane.

r330 the London Police had to get involved on several occasions. The fans are indeed batshit nuts. I felt bad for Benedict Cumberbatch when all of that was happening, he seems like a nice, decent enough guy who just took an acting job and was then blindsided that Sherlock attracted so many mentally disturbed stalker fans.

After reading the tell-all memoir written by his former valet, I really, truly dislike Sinatra. He's definitely one whose work I struggle to separate from the person because his singing was superb. But what a bully.

Those Sherlock stans have all gone through recovery by now (if not menopause), so Cumberbatch will be safe.

Imagine a well-scripted new prequel series focusing on the pre-Watson years. If only.

[quote]I think Ellen became a bitch after being fucked over so much and realizing her being nice wasn't going to cut it.

I think this happens so often with people, not just celebrities. People start out nice, and then once they start to gain a bit of power over others they fuck up a few times, but life keeps on rewarding them anyway. And it's easier to just keep being a cunt rather than deal with the guilt.

My late husband taught Lucille Ball's kids to ski during the 60s and he met her after she invited him to lunch at the chalet where they were staying. He said that she didn't treat her children any differently than other mothers. "Take off your boots and hang up your coats." He said she liked to drink but was nice and made them soup and sandwiches. I asked him what the kids were like and he said they were like all kids, he was just a few years older than them.

BTW, this was at the Mittersill Alpine Resort in The White Mountains.

To R240 I've had personal one on one interactions with Trump and his family. I have to admit they are all nice people. They don't put on airs or make crazy demands. Take that for what you will. Ivanka is very charming and down to earth. You'd never think any of them have grown up rich. These kids all worked. I also have a friend in Palm Beach , her kids hung out with all of them. They came to her house for NYE and birthdays etc. Never a problem. I'm just saying. BTW my friend is a Democrat. She'd be very vocal if there was a problem, believe me!

So, basically, r337, the Trumps identified a bunch of stupid, violent, easily exploitable marks - the Republican Party - and now we're all correcting and still living in the hell they created.

"nice people", my ass.

You’re taking what I said about fifty steps too far, Defacto at r337

[quote]These kids all worked. I also have a friend in Palm Beach , her kids hung out with all of them. They came to her house for NYE and birthdays etc. Never a problem.

🙄🙄🙄

Mean Joe Greene.

WWE 's Vince McMahon & family.

Nobody in the biz likes them but who else are you gonna wrestle for?

They are the epitome of classic opportunists. Read about Napoleon III and Empress Eugenie and you will know what we are dealing with. Take your emotions out of the equation.

Lucille Ball's children seem like they came out OK.

R344- Luci came out very well but Desi Jr ALWAYS seemed like a pampered little Prince and LOST as well to this day.

He always seemed like a lightweight to me and just coasted like John John.

Yes, R345, I'm basing my opinion on Luci.

Shirley McClaine was very kind to Julia Roberts when she was being viscously verbally and emotionally abused by Herbert Ross while filming Steel Magnolias. She really helped her through it. Most older actresses are not that embracing of their younger costars. I always thought it was big of her to take a young actress under her wing.

Since Ethel Merman was the model for Helen Lawson I guess we can be sure she was quite the battle-axe.

[quote]R347 She really helped her through it. Most older actresses are not that embracing of their younger costars. I always thought it was big of her to take a young actress under her wing.

That sounds quite motherly of Shirley. How nice for Julia.

^Shirley spoke at an AFI celebration for Julia and knew the scene number and the number of times she was made to redo the seizure scene by Ross and said that after she saw her swallow all that that she knew she was for real. And here for the long haul.

Why was Herbert Ross a thoroughgoing cunt? Was he a closet queen?

Two bitches will always be fake friends together.

Burt Renolds. Nasty asshole

Sad about Burt

Aging has been who thought he was being funny

R9, Joan Rivers said death scrubs people clean.

Well it doesn't, R355. Joan Rivers said lots of stupid, untrue shit.

Well the cuntiest cunt who ever cunted was Arthur Laurents. Not really a famous person, but a known one.

It takes a majesty of cunt to be able to put cunt professional cunts Betty Buckley and Patti LuPone!

I think I speak for many R337:

Bitch, please...

[quote]Ivanka is very charming and down to earth

I'm sure the domestic staff she sold lemonade to think so too

Zsa Zsa Gabor was mean, but Ava was a delight.

I remember reading that Lauren Becall's cab company told her not to call them anymore. They fired her!

[QUOTE]He told them that Frank Sinatra had deep ties to the mob

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Sinatra's always been known to be mob adjacent, but is the depth of his involvement with them really known? I've read that he took pains to disassociate from them or at least give that impression once he was known to the masses. .

Didn't Burt Reynolds get in fights with the kid who played his son on Evening Shade?

Dorothy Kilgallen, Kitty Kelley, and Garry Trudeau (in "Doonesbury") all at one time or another documented Sinatra's extensive mob ties.

Anything on Kathleen Turner?

R365. A terror at the height of her career but a pussycat now.

R366-More like an obese tabby.

Get fucked, r367. She's a big lady but hardly obese.

Hi Kathleen @ R368!

Kathleen Turner was mean on that John Waters movie.

Hi! I'm Ellen.

Lauren Bacall led a very charmed life. Why was that bitch so miserable? If Bogart survived longer, he would’ve put that bitch in her place. He would’ve never tolerated seeing her rudeness to ordinary people. (Ironically, she WAS Beth Jarrett.)

After Bogart died, she fell in love with Frank Sinatra. After he rejected her, she never moved past her bitterness. She said Frank should have talked to her, face to face, about why he ended the relationship. Actions speak louder than words. She never had the last word and was infuriated. Frank artfully dodged that bullet.

No Mandy Patinkin tea? Unless what the media sometimes says about his behavior and tantrums is limited to being about his on-set films and theatre backstage attitude?

David O. Russell, Christian Bale and Mandy Patinkin

The Place: Orso Restaurant in New York

The Time: early March 1997 a few weeks before the Oscars.

The Comment: Made by patrons at a table between mine and that of a famous actress… “We adored you in The Mirror Has Two Faces and just wanted to say congratulations on your nomination!”

The Response: “Was I talking to you?!?!”

The CUNT: Lauren Bacall

From family and friends who’ve had to deal with them:

James Woods (his girlfriend, Sara, was a good egg though)

Tiffany Haddish (though she runs hot and cold depending on the day)

Donatella Versace

Christina Aguilera

From personal experience:

Andy Dick (a seriously fucked-up and attention-starved dude)

Bonnie Raitt (maybe it was just a bad night, but she was snotty and rude)

Steve Harvey

Not surprised about Andy Dick. I would cut that guy a wide berth.

Has anyone mentioned Tom Hanks?

Andy is actually very sweet when he's sober, but he literally turns into the devil once he gets booze into him. It's so sad seeing his downfall, he actually had a really cool mid century house in the valley.

And people don't know about the Christian Bale rant- I've worked with the cinematographer's (DP) camera crew, and they told me that the DP was a complete asshole- would try to adjust the lights right in front of the actors while they were shooting a take, and treat his crew terribly (a lot of DPs do though). CB is method, and you never get into their eyeline when they're shooting. So the DP was in CB's eyeline screwing around with the lights, and CB decided he had enough of his foolishness and chewed him out. The camera crew came up to CB and thanked him for taking him down.

I know someone who said Kevin Spacey and Vince Vaughn were total assholes (no surprise)

Didn't Mandy Patinkin actually slap an actress during a rehearsal?

Bacall - total bitch to everyone.

According to her autobiography, while growing up Betty Perske's fondest wish was to be a famous actress.

Fast forward several decades and Lauren Bacall is pissed off that some fans wished her well. Didn't ask for an autograph or a picture, just "we love you and hope you win.

I guess the lesson here is to be careful what you wish for (or maybe just don't be a cunt).

[quote]According to her autobiography, while growing up Betty Perske's fondest wish was to be a famous actress.

consider this

"More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones" + borderline personality disorder= confusing and toxic behavior

Well now I don’t feel bad about her losing the SA Oscar to Juliette Binoche.

r379 Did that DP somehow also cause him to assault his mother and sister?

r386, I wasn't aware about those claims.

Seems like I've read many times that Charlton Heston was a nice guy.

I remember I was about 19 and in a college play upstate NY. There was a hairdresser working on the play from NYC. He was extremely chatty while he worked on people's hair, and I remember him talking about what a bitch Lauren Bacall was. This was in the '70s. First I had ever heard about it and at the time I was pretty surprised.

I remember on a talk show, the so-called stylist to the stars said that the only really terrible person he ever worked on was Roseanne. He said she was absolutely repulsive and compared her to a barnyard animal.

Toni Collette was the one who got slapped by Mandy Patinkin.

R386, it came out in the rinse later that his mom and sister were getting on his nerves because he was tired of them begging him for money. Everyone has a limit.

r392 And you think that excuses assaulting them?

Marlo Thomas is a complete cunt. Just ask anyone who ever waited on her at Marshall Fields when she and Phil Donahue lived in Chicago. Totally entitled and “do you know who I am?” attitude. I’m sure Donahue is afraid of her.

[quote]Did that DP somehow also cause him to assault his mother and sister?

Bale's mother and sister are ratchet cunts who were trying to shake him down for more $$$$. If you've ever had leeching family members you would understand.

Finneas, Billie Eilish's brother, is an asshole and super weird.

Why the FUCK did it take 394 replies to get to ME?!? Christ, everybody knows what a complete fucking psychotic shrieking HARPY I am!! What the Christ is wrong with you bunch of sad fucking queens?!?

Ellen was a cruel cunt well before she became famous.

Anyone who has been on the DL for a long time has read numerous accounts on here about her POS behavior for years, well before she finally got cancelled. She didn't have a bad moment here or there or was a person who had to act tough to make it in Hollywood, she is a grade A bitch who enjoys inflicting cruelty on others.

R398 is a chunky boy!

R399. AND a little homosexual boy

I just looked at a YT mansion owned by Kenny Rogers & there is a comment about how he showed up drunk to a county fair late & called the crowd a bunch of dumb hillbillies LOL.

Kenny was a "values voter" republican who went on the 700 Club with Pat R.

The comment was made about 6 months ago so you can hit the "newest comments" part & it should pop up. A great short read about him.

This is the video below =

Wasn't Alyson Hannigan revealed to be the real bitch monster on the Buffy The Vampire show?

R394 If I had to wake up to this, I’d be scared too.

R382- Except after she’s enjoyed the FLAVA of Highpoint!

R398- Ellen Degenerate is a NASTY DYKE.

I think you're right, R402. The Buffy fandom gossip has consistently alluded that there was an unnamed female cast member that was fucking Joss Whedon and was the Dick Pig Dian of the show, making everyone else miserable and getting away with it because she was fucking the boss. I've read insinuations that it was Amy Acker, but more often that it was Hannigan.

During the original run there were many negative stories about Sarah Michelle Gellar's behavior on set. But most of the costars have since confirmed that she was totally professional and always looked out for cast, crew, and guest stars; she just wasn't very sociable with the cast and didn't participate in Whedon's weekend Shakespeare readings, etc.

Jerry.

The story I heard was Amber Benson who played Tara was supposed to return as a manifestation of the First Evil to torment Willow, but Hannigan made her life so miserable (because she wanted Willow to end up with Oz) that Amber refused to return, so they had to rewrite the story.

Justin Bieber hates his fans. I never understood celebrities that treat the ones who made them rich and famous like garbage. I get that stars of that caliber want some privacy/normalcy when they're out and about but that little prick signed up for it.

R409 I don't think he necessarily signed up. He was a kid with pushy parents.

I agree about Bieber hating his fans.

But the fans are stupid to keep paying money to see him in concert.

Alyson Hannigan being an asshole is a well-established part of Buffy lore but I've never come across any juicy details or stories. Supposedly she was terrible to the actor who played Tara but what does that even mean?

R410 I totally agree about his parents but he also was a total egomaniac ever since he was uploading videos to YouTube.

Lauren Bacall’s nastiness lost her the Oscar. It’s kharma at its best.

Sinatra and the mafia: Wasn't the singer (who wanted to be in a movie) based on him in the Godfather?

Would love to hear any other gossip about his ties.

R326, the housekeeper said Couric would work her "charm" to get clothes free or heavily discounted, but a lot of people who'd served her then came out about what a nasty Karen she was when obtaining clothing. "Don't you know who I am?" All that.

Frank Sinatra is a perfect example of having to separate the art from the artist. He was a genius talent who changed popular music forever but as a person he left a lot to be desired.

r412 I taught her everything she knows.

Apparently Bacall wasn't too bitchy to get an honorary Oscar.

Spike Lee is a total asshole

Lauren looks genuinely shocked and disgusted that she lost.

And Lauren was a complete cunt to Shelley Winters. The phone conversation that they had when Lauren called her to say that Shelley’s then husband Tony Franciosa was late for their date. When Shelley let Lauren know that she didn’t appreciate her calling, Lauren said, “If your husband doesn’t respect your marriage then why should I?”. She wasn’t wrong, but it was a tacky thing to say.

Just popping in here to say that I worked with Julie Kavner around 2000 and she couldn't have been sweeter or kinder. She might be suspicious of crazy Simpsons fans and be stand-offish but working with her, she was a total pro and a generous collaborator.

In her autobiography, Marion Ross says that when she did Blithe Spirit on TV with Noel Coward, Claudette Colbert, Mildred Natwick and Lauren Bacall, she went to Bacall & Bogart's house to rehearse, and Bacall was very friendly and nice to her. Colbert, not particularly.

What always surprised me about Bacall was she let Marilyn Cooper walk off with Woman of the Year with her mere 10 minutes of stage time. Cooper always spoke very highly of her. Now we all know how Helen Lawson would have handled that situation.

R424 Who was Marilyn Cooper and what did she do in Woman Of The Year?

Kenny Rogers’house is just ugly. Theprotypical mini-mansion and, of course, it’s in Atlanta.

Has Martha Plimpton been mentioned?

While I'm sure she's loveable to her friends, I found her cold, ungracious, gloomy and totally self-absorbed when I worked with her.

Frank Langella

I don't there are many people who've worked with him who are sorry to see his sad ass has been canceled.

Isn't Langella supposed to be a closet case, too?

Absolutely, r429! Though he is bisexual, too.

Jeff Probst. Asshole DoucheBaggery.

Langella is not bisexual. He's gay as fuck.

Also, Spike Lee is the nicest, most humble person I'ver had the pleasure to wait on. And I served him more than once.

R432 So many people who have met Spike have said awful things about their encounters with him.

Sandy Allen (the one-time "The World's Tallest Woman") had never uttered an unkind word about anybody, but she didn't like Lee so

he must be some type of scumbag for him to warrant a negative response from someone who tried to see the good in everyone.

[quote]Who was Marilyn Cooper and what did she do in Woman Of The Year?

Gawd, I feel ancient, lol.

I saw "Woman of the Year" during its pre-Broadway tryout in Boston in1981 a few months before I moved to NYC where I saw the show again.

In Act II, Marilyn Cooper appears as the current wife of Bacall's former love interest. Bacall visits her and they trade stories about their lives and man troubles in a song called "The Grass is Always Greener", which stopped the show cold every night due to Cooper's looks- the polar opposite of the glamorous upscale Bacall and her magically nasal voice which blended marvelously with Bacall's foghorn of a voice. All Bacall had to do was sit there enjoying her co-star's performance, singing along when needed. Her utter delight in Marilyn's performance made her look like a warm and generous star, which by all accounts she wasn't. The applause demanded an immediate reprise which added to the fun.

At the Tony Awards that season both ladies walked away with their trophies in a stroll as Best Actress in a Musical and Best Featured Actress in a Musical due to this one number.

Not sure if he counts as an actual celebrity, but decorator-to-the-'stars' Jeff Lewis of Flipping Out, his SiriusXM radio show and a newer Amazon show comes across as a raging, narcissistic cunt. Sure, some of it is part of his brand or whatever, but what a miserable Botoxed old bitch.

R435 No reason you should feel ancient. My age isn't why I know nothing about Woman Of The Year or Marilyn Cooper. I just never saw the show and don't have more than an average knowledge of Broadway musicals.

Frank Langella dated Whoopi Goldberg. More proof that Whoopi is a lesbian.

R435 - Zoila

Jeff Lewis is exactly how I imagine many Dataloungers to be.

Marilyn Cooper was a Broadway chorus girl in the 1950s and played the girl who sang about wanting to go back to Puerto Rico in "America" in West Side Story.

She then played the quirky ingenue in the flop musical I Can Get It For You Wholesale in1962 and was dating her leading man Elliott Gould at the time. That is until Elliott met the show's even quirkier soubrette Barbra Streisand.

Cooper was also Agnes/Amanda in the Merman Gypsy and unbelievably understudied Louise.

R442. And went on as Louise! She actually understudied the part late in the run. The original understudy left and the show was getting ready to close so they let her cover it. She also, years later, played Tessie Tura in stock. Apparently Merman loved her, too.

Apparently, Cooper went on as Louise exactly once, without ever having rehearsed the second act!

R420 Binoche was gracious and accepting. She could have totally ignored Bacall but she didn't. Classy lady.

This is better audio and visual for Marilyn Cooper singing "The Grass is Always Greener." Plus it's a relief not to have to listen to Bacall's foghorn voice (like Bacall, Raquel Welch was a horrible person, but she had a much better voice).

Sure, R85. "Consummate gentlemen" consummate their rapes in department stores. Of course.

R372, Sinatra and Bacall had a secret engagement, and word got out and he blamed her for not keeping the confidence. He broke things off and that was that.

I think at times it must have been tough for Bacall to be asked about Bogart on every talk show or interview show appearance she ever made. They were married only about 11 years, and she was asked about him for the next 50 years. Granted she did perpetuate it by writing her autobiography and doing the TV doc, Bacall on Bogart.

Anyhow, she once said on a talk show I was watching that she didn't know why she kept being asked about Sinatra, that it wasn't a long relationship and it was a long time ago.

[quote] Sinatra and Bacall had a secret engagement, and word got out and he blamed her for not keeping the confidence. He broke things off and that was that.

R447 He didn't just break things off, he cut her dead. She said they were both at party with friends and he never acknowledged her and looked right through her like she didn't exist. Someone who had been going to marry her, just before that.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Danny Kaye, Allen Funt (Candid Camera), Red Skelton, or Joey Bishop. Their writers all have horror stories.

But we're not surprised that you came in at R449, brayed like a mule about your knowledge, and then didn't share shit, you tedious non-contributing cunt.

We say that with love.

William Friedkin

Andy Griffith

zsa zsa only daughter, related to the Hilton inn keepers, ended up living in her car. How did this happen?

Andy Griffith? Really, R452?

R449, Danny Kaye was mentioned at R260 and R262.

R452 - Helen Crump

Despite playing a goodhearted, folksy sheriff on the show, Griffith had a reputation as a mean drunk and had some costars shaking in their boots! “Friends winced at the thought of spending an evening in the Griffith home,” said Daniel de Visé, author of the book Andy & Don. George Lindsey, who played Goober Pyle, a hayseed car mechanic on the show from 1964 to 1968, noted Griffith’s volatile moods in his 1995 memoir, Goober in a Nutshell. “Most of us were deathly afraid of Andy,” recalled Lindsey, who died in 2012. “Every Monday night, he would call you if he liked your performance. If the call didn’t come, I dreaded going back to work on Tuesday morning.”

Didn’t Andy contract adult measles which caused him to be sterile? I’d be bitter about that.

John Elway. I will never forget being in Denver as a gayling and waiting line to see a movie at the Continental Theater. John Elway and his wife were in line. Elway had just joined the Broncos and was an up and comer.

A young boy, probably about 10 years old, walked up to him with a pad of paper and pencil and asked for his autograph. Elway looked at the kid and said "no." The poor kid looked utterly dejected.

I thought it was such a shitty thing for Elway to do, especially since he wasn't even yet the big star he would later become. I've hated that asshole ever since.

Andy Griffin is surprising. Not that I'd expect him to be a Sheriff Taylor type (or a Lonesome Rhodes type, for that matter). Thinking back over the years here, I don't recall reading anything remotely negative about him on threads about old time entertainers. Didn't Walter Matthau have a reputation for being difficult, at least? I don't know about mean. Those two on the set of A Face in the Crowd must have been a treat.

As God as my witness, I could swear Don Knotts was gay.

[QUOTE]Knotts and Griffith had become friends in 1955 when they costarred in the Broadway play No Time for Sergeants. For years, they were partners in crime — sex-crazed womanizers who cheated on their first wives, stepping out on double dates with their mistresses!

R461 Never heard that.

I have read other accounts of Don Knotts being a horndog, r461.

Can you imagine Don with his Mr Furley ascot making his moves on a hot babe? Irresistible.

R463 I meant I've never heard he was gay.

Walter Matthau had a long and wide rep for his meanness. He tortured poor Art Carney into a nervous breakdown when they appeared together in the original THE ODD COUPLE.

R466. Fuck Walter Matthau

The Andy Griffith post reminded me of Frances Bavier, who played Aunt Bee on the show. She was a nasty old bitch and thoroughly unpleasant. Nobody liked her. After the show ended she retired to a little town in North Carolina and became a crazy cat lady recluse. Her house was a pigsty and there were more than a dozen cats in it.

Why did Andy Griffith state in his will that he be buried as close to immediately after his death as possible?

It's crazy to think of Don Knotts being a womanizing pussyhound but he really was.

Ken Berry liked Aunt Bee. But I have heard those stories about her, too.

R461 here. I'd never heard or read anything about Knott's sexuality (I certainly wasn't curious and Googling about it!) I just assumed he was gay. He does have something of cookie-sniffing look so I was genuinely surprised about his horn dog ways.

Miss Jess Walton for reasons that are well known to her.

I think Ken Berry's words about Frances Bavier are revealing and sincere and tell you a lot about this much maligned actress who had to deal with the powerful orneriness of Andy Griffith on a daily basis for years on end. There weren't many women on that Mayberry set, even fewer older women I'd guess, and I'm sure it was something of a boys' club lorded over by Griffith. She probably had the patient of a saint.

But maybe I'm wrong. Has Ron Howard ever talked about Frances Bavier? I'd tend to believe him.

I read about this a long time ago so I forget, but I think the people in that NC town asked her to move there, because she'd been on the show that takes place in the area. But then they didn't like her. Can't remember more than that.

The article at r457 says Bavier came from a wealthy New York family so she probably had an attitude that didn't go over well in a small Southern town.

Does anyone remember a 1950s sitcom (you'd have to be verrrrry old!) with Frances Bavier in which she played the spinster sister to two nutty brothers, one of whom was played by the great James Dunn Oscar winner for A Tree Grows in Brooklyn) ? Can't remember the title of it but I watched it in morning reruns in the late 50s as kid and loved it. And so I know Bavier even before Mayberry fame.

Just looked it up and the series title was It's a Wonderful Life and only James Dunn played Bavier's brother. But the other 2 stars were the sexy William Bishop and Michael O'Shea, who played Dunn's chums and were always getting him into trouble.

Anyway......who else is mean?

Wasn't Joan Crawford mean to young starlets, when she was older, in the 40s and 50s?

r479, I think Ann Blyth had nice things to say about Joan. So did Diane Baker

I will always love that Lucille Ball made Joan Crawford cry on the set of "The Lucy Show."

"And they call ME a bitch!" Joan was reported to have sobbed.

R480. Okay, well, yes they did. I was thinking of Lana Turner, who she supposedly gave shit to, and Marilyn Monroe, who she publicly derided. But more to the point, Lucy Marlow, who she started out mentoring on Queen Bee, then turned on. Betsy Palmer implied it was probably because the kid didn't turn out to be that good and Crawford was disappointed in her.

R479, Miss Crawford behaved horribly to Miss Janice Rule on the set of "Goodbye, My Fancy" (1951), which was Miss Rule's debut film.

From wiki: "The established star belittled the younger woman, making Rule's work on the film difficult, although Crawford years later wrote a letter of apology to Rule for treating her badly on this film."

R483 Thanks! That's the one I couldn't think of!

Having just watched her Lifetime documentary I can say without a doubt: WENDY WILLIAMS!

Kevin Sessums. He's not an IRL celebrity, but a DL one, and he has a following of dementia-addled elder fraus on Facebook and he is incredibly mean and bitchy to them.

My parents told me that years ago they were in Las Vegas at a cocktail lounge, and a woman came and sat down next to them at the bar. My mom was surprised to see it was Joanne Worley.

My mom was so excited and said, "Miss Worley, I just wanted to let you know I love you on Laugh-In." Worley didn't say a word, got up and walked away.

Cunt.

Someone started a Twitter thread asking people to post their Ellen degeneres stories. I think the guy thought he would get a few but the thread blew up and went viral and that was the start of her downfall.

Ann Sothern, older and heavier than she once was, made newcomer Barbara Eden feel very unwelcome when the latter made a guest appearance on Ann’s show. Barbara was whisked back to hair and makeup, only for the stylist to call up Ann and say, “I’m sorry, Miss Sothern. There’s nothing I can do to make her look bad.”

Ann then refused to speak to Barbara for the remainder of the shoot, instead barking orders at the director. “Turn her around! Make her do this! Make her do that!”

Eden has alluded to the incident in many interviews but only named Sothern as the culprit in her book. She still seems shaken by it.

By contrast, she found Lucille Ball a pleasure to work with, and that “sparkly dress” story has given her much fodder over the years.

[quote]Someone started a Twitter thread asking people to post their Ellen degeneres stories. I think the guy thought he would get a few but the thread blew up and went viral and that was the start of her downfall.

The one that got me was a guy outside a soundstage admiring Ellen's beautiful car. She walked up and he said, "I was just admiring your car."

Ellen smirked and said, "Bet you wish you could afford it."

Barbara Eden tediously repeats the same stories where she had minor guesting roles.

It's not about the minor roles, it's about the major stars she worked with.

No, it's about making you think she really knew something about these people.

r487, I know someone on the business side of show business and although he didn't give me specifics, Jo Anne Worley is one he described as a total cunt. (His word choice, not copying you.)

It's always the ones with the least talent who are afraid you will realize it.

Even that whore, Yvonne DeCarlo, had a more interesting career than Barbara Eden.

Ann Sothern had an amazingly long 50+ year career beginning in the early 1930s as a musical ingenue on Broadway and films to her Oscar nomination for The Whales of August in 1987 and I've never heard a word against her until this bit of self-serving gossip by Barbara Eden. Jeez! Even Bette Davis adored Ann.

I have a friend who lives in Connecticut. He said no one likes or wants to do business with Meryl Streep or Martha Stewart.

When I say business, I mean no one wants them in their stores, restaurants, salons, blah blah.

What R486 said. Kevin Sessums is a fucking CUNT.

R497, I know several people in Pasadena and S. Pas and everyone loves Meryl.

Um, I live near Meryl. Completely untrue. Utter bullshit.

One of The Lucy Show directors who worked with Ann Sothern on that series didn’t speak bad of her, per se, but admitted he called her “The Princess”, because you had to pamper Ann to get a good show out of her. I could see her being intimidating to younger ingenue types. And Barbara was very young and green when that incident happened, so it probably had a bigger effect on her than it would’ve to someone more experienced.

But I know a caterer who claims to have once worked for Martha maybe 20 years ago and she was a nightmare.

But if your friend is telling you that about Meryl, stop trusting them. She’s well known in these parts as a cool woman.

Barbara Eden was a bottom feeding starlet. Just like Stefanie Powers and Jill St. John.

Lucille Ball idolized Ann Sothern.

Ann Sothern as the WML? mystery guest.

Some idiot spelled her name “Ann Southern” on the nameplate.

Lucy considered having Sothern play her sidekick on her show after Viv left, but Sothern wanted equal billing which was delusional. Or perhaps, she knew that Lucy would be hell to work with at that point. Lucie Arnaz has said that Viv and Ann Sothern were the only people who would stand up to her mother.

Sothern did like taking breaks for ice cream with crushed oreos and chocolate syrup----her fat ass wasn't just a side effect of Hepatitis.

Back to Eden--she's turned not much talent or career into an occupation. There are countless working actresses her age (or even younger) who have had more real longevity in the business. She was lucky to have a second rate knock off of a big hit that lasted long enough for syndication.

David Duchovny. And I know this because I had the great displeasure of having to work with him. Apparently he has a massive schlong, so I cannot understand why he's such a self-loathing git who takes such great pleasure in making other folks lives so thoroughly miserable.

R507 . . .

Ann Sothern was a perfect foil for Lucy when she appeared as her PRIVATE SECRETARY sitcom character Susie McNamara in the first of those Lucy/Desi Comedy Hours about how the Ricardos met in post-WII Havana. And Cesar Romero and Rudy Vallee were also great fun.

Loved Ann in so many things back to her MGM years, but admittedly not as that silly Countess de Framboise character (or whatever she was called) that was created for The Lucy Show.

Why so down on Barbara Eden? What did she ever do to you? The audience likes her, she's still famous. She made it. I don't really care one way or the other if she had a strong career or a lot of talent. I doubt it matters to many people.

Ann Sothern was starring in the movie Kid Millions when Lucy was literally in the chorus, trying to be noticed by the camera. I don't blame her for trying to get star billing with Lucy, not be reduced to being Vivian Vance.

But the reality was that circa 1960, Lucille was a far bigger star than Ann.

This Ann Sothern-Lucille Ball detour, as fascinating as it is, is derailing the thread. Can we go back to the topic?

R500, I know three people that work at or own stores that Meryl goes to. All love her.

R513 Well, why don't you go first?

I will relate this Andy Cohen story from Art Basil. He was in a Miami restaurant for lunch surrounded by security. He would only let the waiter talk to his security people, not him. He sat near the street so he could be seen but had a security person stand outside in case any fans rushed up to see him. Someone at the restaurant asked "Who is that?" because it was quite a sight. They said, Andy Cohen. The person responded who? the restaurant was fairly empty and no one was going to bother him. It was the most obnoxious spectacle.

R516 How is that mean?

R517 refusing to speak directly to the wait staff is pretty disgusting. It would be disgusting if someone like Julia Roberts or Tom Cruise did that and it's even worse because it's a cable talk show host.

Seems more snobbish than mean.

Fuck off Cilla

R516 If the waiter asked Andy if he could do a line with him I think Wonky would bypass his security real quick.

Why are you defending him, r519?

Lauren Hutton is a nightmare.

Saying someone is a snob is hardly a defense.

[quote] R327 Benedict Cumberbatch absolutely loathes Martin Freeman and can't stand to even be in the same room with him

It’s like a messy breakup. They cannot even make eye contact!

He wasn't the meanest, or even mean, but Mark Ruffalo (for four months) employed a now-former assistant whom I knew through a boyfriend before she moved to Maine. She said he was a combination of older brother, employer, and passive-aggressive depressant/didactic bully. He kept a second apartment as an office here in NYC where he brought a girlfriend he was cheating on his wife with. When he wasn't there the assistant lived there, and he basically expected her to keep it clean instead of hiring someone. She said he was surprisingly dirty and would not always flush the toilet after he'd used it. He was depressed by the murder of his brother, partly because he didn't even like his brother but felt guilty about it.

She realized she wasn't equipped to be an assistant, so she quit, and he gave her a thousand dollars. Because he was cheating on his wife, she thought that might have been an unspoken bribe. She did say he was an extremely loving father to his kids, but she was disheartened because she said she'd always had a crush on him but in reality he was dark, depressed, and resentful. She was happy to leave

Now that's a post ^^^^^^ with some genuinely dishy details. We need more of that here.

Every celebrity cheats on their partner. Every gay man cheats on their partner. I don't know why people are so shocked?

Ruffalo kept his shit floating for his assistant to flush?

Has John Cusack been mentioned? The Ruffalo post triggered a memory of reading how Cusack left shit filled briefs for his assistant to pick up.

Ruffalo kept his shit in the toilet.

Is Madonna cuntier than Miss Julia Roberts?

Why is Julia Roberts such a cunt?

Because she can be.

R350 I believe Sally Field said it was a ridiculous amount of times they did the scene like more than 20-30 and when they finally wrapped all the women stayed with with Julia as she sobbed uncontrollably for an hour after.

Doing a scene 20 or 30 times doesn't in itself constitute abuse.

courtney love told howard stern that tom cruise was really nice. sounded like courtney was annoyed by that. i think courtney also said drew b’more was really nice, also.

R536 = Herbie Ross

R538 If you're directing a film you don't do a lot of takes of a scene to be "mean." You're not going to waste time and money. William Wyler sometimes did a lot more takes than that - until he was satisfied with a scene. If you're a pro (actor) you should be able to deal with it.

Btw I'm not saying Ross wasn't mean, because I don't know.

Otto Preminger could be mean. Screaming at people.

Mel Brooks is supposed to be an asshole.

R526, Ruffalo underwent brain surgery for a benign tumor, which left him partially deaf and with facial paralysis.

Diddy

R540, Otto’s treatment of Tom Tryon during filming of “The Cardinal” was horrific.

Both Lana Turner and Dyan Cannon had widely publicized problems with him, yet Gene Tierney adored him.

R. Kelly

R542, what does that have to do with refusing to flush a toilet? You got it wrong by the way. The operation left him with partial face paralysis that later went away and full deafness in one ear that persists today. Again, neither of these things would stop him from flushing a toilet.

R546 should be flushed down the nearest toilet.

Otto Preminger was also abusive towards Jean Simmons during the production of Angel Face. Preminger demanded multiple takes of a scene in which Jean’s co-star Robert Mitchum had to slap her in the face. When Preminger told him to do it again Mitchum hit him in the face instead.

Otto had an affair with Gypsy Rose Lee that produced a son, Erik.

Gypsy did not reveal to her son his father’s identity until he was an adult.

Erik and Otto formed a relationship and Erik then assumed the surname Preminger.

R182- Wonder Girl 👧 is bitter because she couldn’t spin properly unlike Wonder Woman 👩.

[quote] I've assumed for many years that she's a DYKE.

Kavner comes off as the dyliest dyke who ever dyked. Even on Rhoda, a more closeted time, she would make Mercedes McCambridge look like Marilyn Monroe. I was shocked -- SHOCKED -- when I saw some publicity photo of her with a man that she's supposedly been with for years. He must be a purse.

Didn't Preminger almost burn Jean Seberg in Saint Joan by not stopping the scene as the flames licked closer? A crew member had to dash in to rescue her. I read this on DL so it must be true.

[quote]Didn't Mandy Patinkin actually slap an actress during a rehearsal?

Toni Collette said that he physically abused her during The Wild Party. She may have even reported him to Actors Equity. George C. Wolfe stood by silently and collected a paycheck.

R553, Has Mandy commented on the bashing Streisand gave him in her memoir?

Preminger fell in love with Dorothy Dandridge during the shooting of CARMEN JONES. He strung her along with promises to divorce his wife and marry Dorothy. But he couldn’t deal with the backlash that came with dating or marrying a black woman. They broke up and they collaborated again on PORGY AND BESS. He treated her abominably. All because she didn’t want to be his side piece. He nearly drove her to a nervous breakdown.

And yet there's something likable about Preminger.

R556-In what alternate universe?

R556 Have you ever seen him on a talk show? None of Preminger's mean behavior was ever public, afaik.

R556: Erich von Stroheim.

George C. Scott beat up certain women he was involved with (Ava Gardner, for ex.).

Since Henry Fonda was directed by Preminger several times (Daisy Kenyon, Advise and Consent, In Harm's Way, and the play, Critic's Choice), as was Dana Andrews, I sometimes wonder if he just didn't scream at certain stars.

Henry Hathaway was also a screamer.

Preminger visited Lauren Bacall’s dressing room after a performance of Applause.

He was full of effusive praise, “You were wonderful, darling!”

When Bacall asked him why he seemed so surprised, Preminger responded, “Because I am!”

Bacall wanted to punch him.

r560, seems like Colleen Dewhurst would have beaten the shit out of him if he tried anything with her.

Elder gays will recall . . .

“Swifty Lazar made headlines in 1965 after a scuffle with director Otto Preminger at New York's 21 Club. Preminger needed 50 stitches near one eye after Lazar hit him with a water glass.”

He beat up Colleen too.

What was Lazar's reputation?

And let's not forget the infamous showdown between Preminger and Miss Faye Dunaway on the set of "Hurry Sundown." It was Miss Dunaway's film debut, but the mercurial young actress would not be disrespected!

Cecil B. DeMille was mean on set. There are a lot of stories. But then everyone said he was very charming off set.

Cheryl Ladd is cold.

Nancy Davis Reagan

Many directors make one individual the whipping boy or target on their film set.

John Ford was notorious for that.

r570, She wasn't mean, just exhausted...insatiable cocksucker that she was.

Has anyone mentioned me yet? I don't want to worry my beautiful mind over the opinions of you rabble.

"Celebrity" is really pushing it, Babs.

Just don't expect Mark Ruffalo to do it, r547

There have been numerous reports that DL fav Chalamet is a prick on set, including trying to get one PA fired because she forgot an umbrella. On the set on Wonka it got so egregious that he realised he needed to apologise to the crew - which he did by gifting them a photo of himself. Also reports of him from various film festivals acting like a prick towards festival staff, the smoking video at the Beyonce concert, and there's video of him at a Cannes photocall blanking the PR woman asking him to leave when the photo was just meant to be the director and the top star

Streep famously said that Dustin Hoffman burped and then put his hand on her boob when he met her for the first time.

R576- I just wish RAT 🐭Boy would go away

Long gone but not forgotten. William Frawley was a mean drunk.

He was a fucking amateur compared to me!

Let it go, Viv at R579.

R528, no one here said they were shocked. And no, not everyone cheats.

Very surprised at Ruffalo. I guess that would explain why his wife was practically sitting on his lap at the Golden Globes.

This was in Variety today

[quote]I did a film with an absolute idiot of a co-star and this human being was being so insecure and angry because this person couldn’t get the scenes out,” she said. “And I think I was so vulnerable and uncomfortable that I got screamed at and I would cry walking off set.”

[quote]”This person would literally look at me in front of the whole crew and say, ‘You call yourself an actor? This is what I have to work with?’ I stood there just breaking,” Ferguson continued. “Because this person was number one on the call sheet, there was no safety net for me. No one had my back.”

[quote]Ferguson said the experience was the first time she ever spoke up for herself as an actor on a set. She arrived on set the next day and told the actor, “You get off my set. You can F off. I’m gonna work towards a tennis ball. I never want to see you again.”

[quote]And then I remember the producers came up and said, ‘You can’t do this to number one. We have to let this person be on set,'” Ferguson remembered. “And I said, ‘The person can turn around and I can act to the back of the head.’ And I did. I was so scared. I feel it now when I’m saying it.”

Maybe this should go in a blind item post

^ Rebecca Ferguson, that is

People are guessing that Alec Baldwin is who she's talking about.

[quote]Long gone but not forgotten. William Frawley was a mean drunk.

You’d drink too if you had to wring laughs out of being married to Vivian Vance.

And then she had to sing along to a song that *I* introduced in vaudeville.

Hope Ruffalo wiped his nasty ass before filming this scene.

William Frawley and Mark Ruffalo--ass to ass.

Please don't start a second thread. This "mean celebrity" gossip from 1947 or so is not interesting or tittelating. We get it and thanks...but please no more.

How was Ruffalo's brother killed?

Given how similar to their characters they come across on the It's Always Sunny podcast, I'm guessing Glenn Howerton is a prick in real life too

Does anyone even know Ben Foster, the actor? Worked with him about 8 years ago. A true horror.

I have seen his movies r593. What did he do to you?

^ No, but not surprising.

Details about Ben Foster, please!

Can't get too specific cause it will reveal too much but Foster was a complete lout. No respect for the director or anyone else involved on the project. And his talent wasn't worth it. Tiny macho creep.

Does he work much now? Can't say I've followed his career.

Glenn Howerton seems too smart and self-aware to be an outright cunt.

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Thanks, R599. Fuck you, R590.