Male runners outraged as Parkrun records wiped in the name of being inclusive

Boris, we’ve talked about your boring, shit-stirring ant-trans posts.

Get a hobby, you basement dwelling fuck up.

And we have Jessica Yaniv on the line. Hey Jessica, tell us what you think about Parkrun's decision! I can hear splashing water - are you at the beach, Jessica?

OP is so transparent…a self-hating secret cross-dresser.

His shame is just as large as his size 40 silk panties.

Yeah that’s gotta be it r3. 🙄

Trans!

(hisses) TRANSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

That's what they get!! Maybe next time dont be cowardly and quiet when other white men are stealing womens records.

Why is it that the left only celebrates white males when they pretend to be women? It's the strangest thing

Any self-hating fag or dyke eating up the T agenda are fucking idiots!

How DARE you point out the difference between a man and woman!!

HISSSSSSS! HISSSSSSSSS! Trans rights are women’s rights!!! HISSSS!

Yet another trans crime perpetrated against actual women

One of the Parkrun records is held by a male trans woman who tried to murder the representative from UK Athletics who was investigating them.

What’s a little murder r10?

The most thing is to affirm the murderer’s gender identity.

When women were denied their records by the trans runners no man came out in defense of female runners and now they are pissed when the shit gets left at their front door.

It’s about time men got a taste of what women are having to deal with the insane trans agenda.

This Guardian fella is getting rinsed for his conspiratorial take on women wanting their own things.

Nobody seems to be upset about it. Seems to only be anonymous keyboard warriors upset on their behalf lol.

You need to get the argument right

EITHER "No one seems upset" apart from all the angry men blaming women for them losing their records and all the women wanting their own female category OR people are angry and it's a right wing culture war.

I don't get the issue. Parkruns are normally just a bit of fun on a Saturday morning; they're not like more serious events such as marathons or half marathons.

It's not like runners are setting world records at these kinds of events. I'm sure most who are interested in timings will be recording on their stravas/fitbits etc and using their own data anyway.

I think the gender criticals have overreached a bit here, as their usual arguments don't apply. There are no changing rooms that trans women are invading, nor are there are medals for trans women to take off biological women, etc. So it makes their prejudice more obvious.

Mind you, I think it's been obvious for a while. I follow some of the 'debates' online and the hostility towards trans people has definitely grown (likely encouraged by Musk's takeover of Twitter/X). They used to say "I have no issue how people dress, as long as they don't enter my single sex spaces" but then those same people constantly criticise photos of trans people and mock them, so they clear do have an issue how people dress.

They hate being called transphobic - they'll say things like "stop calling me names to shut down debate", but then they label anyone who doesn't agree as a "misogynist" (even if they're a biological woman) on the understanding that if you don't hate trans people, you must hate biological women. What did they say about using names to shut down debate? And very little of it is original - if you follow a few vocal gender critical Twitter accounts you'll see they say the same things almost word for word.

Many of them are also viruently homophobic (especially towards gay men) but again if you point that out you get: "stop using names to shut down debate, (unless I'm using the names then it's ok!)".

Gotta love the right wing takeover. Us gays will be next.

[quote]I don't get the issue. Parkruns are normally just a bit of fun on a Saturday morning; they're not like more serious events such as marathons or half marathons. It's not like runners are setting world records at these kinds of events. I'm sure most who are interested in timings will be recording on their stravas/fitbits etc and using their own data anyway.

Park Run has been known for years as a friendly event with a competitive element where course records are held. The men who are angry at their records being lost seemingly had no issue with the women's course records being taken by males who identify as trans women, including one who is in prison for attempted murder. So again, either it's just fun or the men need to shut up.

[quote]I think the gender criticals have overreached a bit here, as their usual arguments don't apply. There are no changing rooms that trans women are invading, nor are there are medals for trans women to take off biological women, etc. So it makes their prejudice more obvious.

GCs believe that the reality of biological sex is a better marker than self described gender identity. They want their own competitions for females. Either you think women deserve their own sporting events or you don't.

And as far as the culture war goes, sport is the most obvious area where difference in biological sex is a factor. If you want to tell people they're bigots for thinking women deserve their own races then you're the one fighting a culture war, not the woman wanting to preserve the hard fought status quo.

R13 - and JKR called him out for previously asking why it would be a bad thing if men took over women's sport. He responded by blocking her.

R18 I don't blame him, though, because she immediately leapt to calling him a misognyist -- which, let's be clear, means a man who HATES women -- despite not really knowing him.

It's clear she doesn't want a discussion on this issue, it's her way or the highway, and she knows her tweets will cause massive pile ons for anyone she criticises.

To be clear, I don't think Rowling is transphobic and I understand why she takes exception when people call her that. But she doesn't seem to mind applying labels to other people based on an article or two.

[quote] [R18] I don't blame him, though, because she immediately leapt to calling him a misognyist -- which, let's be clear, means a man who HATES women -- despite not really knowing him.

Did you read Rowling’s screen grab from one of Liew’s previous articles that said females being erased from women’s sport by trans woman would be inspiring? He argues sports are unfair anyway so stop bitching about males in women’s sport.

He is a sports journalist who writes almost exclusively about men’s sport.

Women know misogyny when they see it.

This is Liew's previous effort. His arguments are batshit.

[quote]Let’s start with the science. There are around a dozen studies indicating that a limited sample of trans women who have undergone male puberty retain some physical advantages over natal females. That is “the science”. All of it. Things it is: peer-reviewed, persuasive, evidence of the need for a certain regulatory framework in most sports, particularly contact sports. Things it is not: extensive, beyond challenge, equally applicable across all sports at all levels, a one-stop manual for blanket bans, the words of the literal Bible. Nor is it remotely capable of bearing the torrent of slurs and scaremongering that has been carried out in its name.

[quote]Other sciences are, of course, available. Shall we cite any of the numerous studies on the effect of socioeconomics or mental health on performance? (Trans people are significantly more likely to be in poverty or unemployed, disproportionately affected by depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts.) Or how about quantifying the effect of – let’s say – spending years in a body you do not want, undergoing often painful and traumatic transition, being demonised for simply existing and living under the daily threat of harm? Shall we run the numbers on that, guys? The wrong kind of science? Too much science?

He is a misogynist.

R15 what I meant was no real life tangible people that take part in the event are angry. But fake troll internet people are.

The only ones who see this as the “Trans” agenda are datalounge es, unfortunately, the rest of the world sees it as lgbt+ people pushing for all nonsense.

Quick question, I know a bunch of you keep saying it, but is there an actual source with evidence or even mention of these “angry men” that are participating in the runs? There’s nothing mentioned in OP’s link, so im presuming OP added it as a personal flourish which is now the basis of the entire thread? You……made it up OP?

[quote] Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?

Why have transpeople made even parkrun a battleground?

R21 I don't see the first quote as batshit, he's just explaining the science carried out to date. There aren't that many trans people who compete in sports, so it's understandable the science is patchy and that taking hormones can have different impacts on different people. There are lots of variables at play, such as height, mass, etc. Plus I think the sport itself matters - eg there was much fuss over a snooker/pool contest recently - but I can't see why being male would be an advantage in pool because there's no physical contact and it's feasible for a male pool player to be shorter than a female pool player.

Yet because the article is in the Guardian it gets automatic criticism (after all, how could anything in a left leaning newspaper be trustworthy?!) and the fact it's written by a man must mean he's an evil misogynist who hates women. If he doesn't agree with everything we say he's an evil shithead who we should abuse and if he blocks us that's also awful!

I mean, just listen to yourselves.

[quote]Yet because the article is in the Guardian it gets automatic criticism (after all, how could anything in a left leaning newspaper be trustworthy?!) and the fact it's written by a man must mean he's an evil misogynist who hates women. If he doesn't agree with everything we say he's an evil shithead who we should abuse and if he blocks us that's also awful!

His previous anti women articles appeared in the Independent.

This is a man who routinely ignores female sport until he can argue for male participation in it.

[quote] This is a man who routinely ignores female sport until he can argue for male participation in it.

Oh please R26. None of you weirdos gave a fuck about women’s sports or women’s prisons or women’s shelters until it gave you an opportunity to be transphobic. It’s so cynical lmao. Funding for women’s shelters has been cut by conservative governments and councils across the world steadily for the last two decades and if you search back you won’t find a single thread (maybe not even a single comment) about that on this website.

R27 It's not surprising that a male sports journalist is hired to write mostly about male sport. I doubt it's a case of "ignoring" female sport, more than he's not regularly asked to cover it.

R28 A valid point. They 'care' because their little Twitter group told them to care.

Standing up for women is now right wing think according to misogynists.

The tranny lover in this thread is getting his head handed to him.

And I love it.

Yet another example of

TRANS LUNACY

R30 No, transphobia is right wing think.

R28, I've been following women in sport since the 80s - Martina vs Chris and Tessa vs Fatima were two huge sporting rivalries. I live in the UK and we love sport here. We hold major sporting events here, Heard of the Olympics?

Laura Kenny is Britain's most successful female Olympian (her husband Jason is the most successful male Olympian) and she led the opposition to one of her fellow female cyclists potentially losing her place to male Emily Bridges.

WE LOVE FAIR SPORT.

So…this is a free weekly running event that is voluntary, has nothing to do with any sports league or awards?

The transphobes once again making something out of nothing with their obsession, basically

[quote]So…this is a free weekly running event that is voluntary, has nothing to do with any sports league or awards?

Incorrect.

The Guardian have published 4 responses. Cathy gets it right.

Jonathan Liew claims female parkrunners who want to compare run times with peers of the same age and sex are “the radical trans exclusionary police”, “useful idiots on social media” and part of “the rage machine”, and that the issue “isn’t really about sport at all”. This is all astonishing hyperbole. I am a leftwing feminist academic whose expertise is in women and sport, a Labour member, a director of the politically left Woman’s Place UK, and a founder signatory of the Labour Women’s Declaration. This denigration of female runners who campaign for their own grassroots sport categories as anti-trans and rightwing is offensive and reminiscent of historical battles for female-only sport over 100 years.

Parkrun offers four categories: female, male, “prefer not to say” and “another gender identity”. Trans people should, of course, be included – trans men in female categories, if they so wish. But trans women, most of whom retain a 10% male performance advantage, can surely register in one of the other three categories. Because the hopes and dreams of female people matter. Many female runners want to know their run time compared with other females in their age group. Just like male runners. Course records in the one female category should celebrate the fastest female runners. How is that a rightwing outrage? The left leaves a wide-open goal for the right if it denies female runners even one female-only category.

Cathy Devine

Manchester

Liew is getting his ass burned on Twitter over this. He should be fired.

R34 yea I love women’s tennis too. The only sport in which the women’s game is taken as seriously as the men’s game, at least in the west.

Parkrun is not the Olympics. I linked a sky sports interview earlier in the thread which indicates that parkrun members don’t give a fuck about the new regulations, are content with trans people taking part and are aware that they are not competing in the Olympics. I’m not sure why people here are getting upset on their behalf, nobody asked them to.

THEY LOVE PARTICIPATORY SPORT.

Show me a thread concerned with women’s sports on this website (not tennis) that does not have anti trans politics as its driving force. Go on.

Or if that’s not available, show me a thread about women’s shelters or organizations and funding for same that does not have anti trans politics as its driving force.

Show me a thread about the plight of women in prisons or the social conditions that lead to women being imprisoned that does not have anti trans politics as its driving force.

Your problem, R39, is that you think everything that argues for fairness for women is anti-trans. What it is is pro-female, something trans aren't. Try getting that through your thick fucking skull.

[quote]Show me a thread concerned with women’s sports on this website (not tennis) that does not have anti trans politics as its driving force. Go on.

Lots of Datalougers loved the lesbian centric women's world cup last year.

R41 wow I’m shocked at that. Gives me hope for this website. Maybe the trolls haven’t totally taken over and people can be normal and honest about something.

R40 huh?

R39 They take any opportunity they can to be transphobic. And I'm sure most of the people who visit sites like this to contribute to topics like this one aren't even gay. They have lists of sites to target and because we're mostly gay and male we're seen as part of the problem, hence we must be educated. It's homophobic tosh.

[quote][R39] They take any opportunity they can to be transphobic. And I'm sure most of the people who visit sites like this to contribute to topics like this one aren't even gay. They have lists of sites to target and because we're mostly gay and male we're seen as part of the problem, hence we must be educated. It's homophobic tosh.

I started this thread. I'm a gay man who loves sport. I'll do a top 10 of my most masturbated over sports stars if you want. Football, rugby, athletics, cycling, rowing, tennis, swimming, Even curling when the BBC show it. Not at all interested in golf, F1 or boxing.

I also love the usual gay things but love sport. And I love fair sport. Not letting a male trans woman take the place of a female woman in a sporting event is not genocide. It's fairness.

I bet none of you know the trans athlete who won an Olympic gold in Toyko 2021 do you? No, because lump of lard Lauren Hubbard sucked in all the attention.

[quote] I bet none of you know the trans athlete who won an Olympic gold in Toyko 2021 do you? No, because lump of lard Lauren Hubbard sucked in all the attention.

I don’t know the name, but then again I don’t allow trans athletes to take over 50%+ of my brain capacity like you people do so that probably explains it.

R45 you don't know the name of the first trans athlete to win an Olympic gold because you have no interest in women's sport.

R46 i never said I was. I like women’s tennis, but a faked interest in women’s sport isn’t central to my point, whereas it is to the anti trans brigade. Isn’t the difference obvious? Lol

R44 But none of that has anything to do with parkruns which are informal runs in the UK usually on Saturday mornings. They're not competitive events. In fact they're quite the opposite - one of their main reasons for existing is to make running more accessible to people of all abilities. They're marshalled and new runners are particularly encouraged and supported.

People do them because they enjoy them, they get out the house, socialise and have a bit of fun. I promise you most of the people there don't want parkrun events to be politicised like this.

Well the first trans athlete to win an Olympic gold was Quinn, the Canadian football player. Formerly Rebecca Quinn, Quinn is a trans masc non binary person who continued to play in the women's team. "Anti trans activists" had no issue with Quinn's participation, a female athlete playing in a team of females against other females.

Just have XX and XY categories. If someone with a medical chromosomal abnormality wants to run, make another category for non XX/XY.

[quote][R44] But none of that has anything to do with parkruns which are informal runs in the UK usually on Saturday mornings. They're not competitive events. In fact they're quite the opposite - one of their main reasons for existing is to make running more accessible to people of all abilities. They're marshalled and new runners are particularly encouraged and supported.

IF THEY WEREN'T COMPETITIVE WHY DID SO MANY MEN GET ANGRY THAT THEIR TIMES AND PLACEMENTS WERE WIPED???

Why did Park Run have course records if they weren't competitive?

Lots of people join in to have fun and get fit but denying there is a competitive element is just barefaced lying.

R1 Get an ax and chop off your genitals. This is one of the most important issues today of the LGB community and if you can't see it you're as stupid as Trump. Anti Trans ideology all the way, They're fucking up decades of progress people have sacrificed so much for. Just stay off these threads if it gets your panties with a pouch in a twist.

R51 How many is "so many"? And where's the evidence that all of those "so many" men did get angry? It all seems to be hearsay as far as I can tell.

R52 Heh. Dramatic much? I think the ever increasing transphobia is more of a threat to us, perpetuated by the right wing who'd merrily see us gays lose rights as well. Fucked if I'm helping those cunts, you can if you want.

R33 Women’s rights are not transphobic.

The trans agenda is a dangerous ideology based on regressive gender stereotypes about women and men which is a direct threat to homosexuality which is homophobia.

Trans= homophobia and misogyny wrapped up into one.

[quote] IF THEY WEREN'T COMPETITIVE WHY DID SO MANY MEN GET ANGRY THAT THEIR TIMES AND PLACEMENTS WERE WIPED???

And where are all of these fabulous angry men? I haven’t seen a single example. You just keep repeating it lol.

R54 Nope. Trans people just feel they're born in the wrong body and experience gender dysphoria. I think people should be free to dress however they like without receiving hate for it. Nothing to do with homophobia.

Trans people have existed long before any of us and will do long after. Calling them a direct thread to homosexuality won't make them go away.

No, r56, homosexuals existed for the same amount of time as anyone who called themselves "trans." The majority of MTF Trans people have autogynephilia and that is a fact. It's a kink for them.

No one is saying they shouldn't dress how they like. Just don't tell me someone with a penis is a woman or vice versa because then we're just living in pretend land.

R57 Heard it all before. You might as well have copied and pasted that from Elon Musk's hellhole. Wasn't convinced then, not convinced now.

The fact you say "homosexuals" rather than something like "gay people" speaks volumes.

[quote]Trans people have existed long before any of us and will do long after. Calling them a direct thread to homosexuality won't make them go away.

Tell that to Susie Green's little boy. She and her husband hated having a faggy little boy and stopped him playing with dolls. The kid developed serious problems and became convinced he was a girl. Green got puberty blockers from the US and took him to Thailand for "bottom surgery" (castration) on his 16th birthday and later joked how small his penis was so the surgeons didn't have much to work with. Green went on to become CEO of Mermaids until she resigned after a charity trustee with links to paedophile groups was apoointed.

Green's little boy could have grown up into a fabulous Datalounger, but now he's a sterile and sexually dysfunctional "trans woman" on medication for the rest of his life.

R59 An anecdote. Well, that's convinced me to change my mind on an entire section of people...

There are hundreds of videos on youtube, r60 about detransitioners who were duped into thinking they were trans. I suggest you watch some of them.

People are not born into the wrong body and anyone that thinks like this has mental health problems that should be addressed so that they can learn to love themselves.

R61 What percentage are they of the total trans population, though? I'm assuming low.

I don't know, r63. Trans is supposed to be extremely rare but I've gone from knowing 1 person who was trans in 49 years to now knowing 9 just in the past 6..because it's fad.

[quote] Trans people have existed long before any of us and will do long after. Calling them a direct thread to homosexuality won't make them go away.

Then tell us what will because we're sick of their shit.

R58 you are seriously seriously ill if you think a man with a dick and balls so loudly clanging you can hear them on Mars is a woman you need to be isolated in a padded cell. If you think somebody with ovaries a uterus and vagina is really a man you need a lobotomy.

And saying homosexuals speaks volumes of what? You think it's a derogative term? Take your self hatred far from us. We don't your poisonous thoughts making things more miserable for members of the LGB community. Wear your wigs and lipstick, rouge and skirts. I don't care despite the fact that you will be the ugliest drag queen in all of God's creation but good lord act with honesty and just say I'm a man who likes to dress up as a woman. But honesty seems to be a concept you're completely unfamiliar with. You don't happen to be in real estate by any chance?

R64 I only know one personally and she just wants to live a quiet life. The media image of what trans women are supposed to be like bears no resemblance to the trans woman I know. That's why I've always had a hard time swallowing the gender critical arguments. She isn't even attracted to women - so why would she want to perv on other women in public toilets? It feels like turning a group into the 'bogey man' that people can blame all the ills of society on. Where have we seen that before?

R65 Nothing. That's the point. Just like us gays aren't going anywhere, even though some on the (far) right wish that we would.

R66 The irony of you saying I'm "seriously seriously ill" when your above rant makes you sound a bit unhinged. "Homosexual" isn't a derogatory term, but it's usually used in formal situations (eg scientific journal articles) rather than in every day parlance. Usually when people say "X is a homosexual" or talk about "the homosexuals" it's usually in a negative way; often because they don't like terms such as "gay" - seeing them as too informal or accepting.

I don't have self-hatred - I'm gay so I'm not trying to erase myself. I'm also not a drag queen; I've never worn make up or female clothing in my life. And no I don't work in real estate. I'm just someone who sees parallels in the 'othering' of trans people with the 'othering' of gay people in the past and it concerns me because if you think people like Chaya Raichik are stopping with the trans community you're sorely mistaken.

If Chaya Raichik said she opposed the death penalty R67 would support it.

R68 Hardly. She'd call you names just for posting on a "disgusting lib" site like DL. She's not your friend either, mate.

But if you wanna sing her praises, go ahead.

[Quote] She isn't even attracted to women - so why would she want to perv on other women in public toilets

Oh so this is about your friend wanting to use girls’ bathrooms so he doesn’t get beaten up by men? But then women and girls should expect not to get raped or beaten up by suddenly having any number of men in their vulnerable places?

1. Your friend is not all men who pretend to be women. Why are his rights more important than women’s?

2. Assault is about power and does not have to include sexual attraction.

3. Men perpetrate violence against women at a vastly greater rate than women do to men. Even in dresses most men can more easily harm most women.

4. Why is the perceived safety of your friend — and others who don’t like the hand DNA dealt them — more valid than the safety of women?

5. Trans women are not women no matter how many times it is repeated, and then used to corrupt arguments. There is no cis. There are men and women and rare intersex and people who don’t like that reality.

6. This is not transphobia. This is protecting women’s rights. No one cares how people want to present themselves. The issue is trying to turn the world upside down to pretend that they aren’t what they are.

7. Anyone who uses the threat of suicide as a bargaining chip is either borderline or needing a lot of therapy. They are worthy of sympathy but not control of outcomes.

8. A larger percentage of women have suffered stranger, partner or sexual violence. Being with men in enclosed spaces is an issue. This was why Rowling spoke up. As much as people don’t want to admit it, trans people are not “passing”.

If this is a huge issue, use your voices to advocate for more single, private bathrooms or allow trans people to use family restrooms meant for nursing mothers…. oops I mean birthing mammals assigned female at burtg, totally at random.

^birth

8. [edit] As much as people don’t want to admit it, ***most*** men who choose to be trans are not “passing”.

R71 It's not 'about' my friend, I just mentioned her because she's very different to how people like you tell me trans people are. If I didn't know any trans people I might believe all the anti trans rhetoric, but as I do, I can see through it.

It's a bit like how homophobic people can sometimes change their mind if they actually get to know someone who's gay because then they're not this idea in their head, but an actual person.

Your post goes off assumptions of things happening. I could get attacked by a man when I leave my house. I'm a man too but that doesn't make me invincible. I still leave my house, though, because I know not everyone is an attacker.

I think what I really can't get past though is that you -- to be frank -- sound like an asshole, as do most gender critical people. Devoid of any empathy. In your eyes, every trans person is this horrible mentally ill person and therefore deserve derision and ostracisation. You benefit from an increase in the acceptance of gay people, but you delight in the idea of robbing another minority of that. You've seen a benefit, so you feel happy raising the drawbridge. As the saying goes: I'm all right Jack! We're not all that selfish, though.

People who demand empathy have none to offer r74. 'Devoid'. Go on then. Give me a good reason why women and girls should see dick in the changing room.

R75 I don't demand empathy, I just said you don't have any.

I don't think anyone particularly enjoys seeing the genitalia of others in a changing room. I know I don't. I usually face the wall when I get changed and do it as quickly as possible. But it's a matter of fact that you'll sometimes see it and can quickly look away.

[quote] It's not 'about' my friend, I just mentioned her because she's very different to how people like you tell me trans people are. If I didn't know any trans people I might believe all the anti trans rhetoric, but as I do, I can see through it.

This is a really stupid argument. Because your "friend" is one way, then no other trans person (and there's a lot of road to be covered in that definition) could possibly do anyone any harm or want to take away any rights. Either you're being willfully obtuse or you've had your head planted firmly up your ass for the past decade. I vote for a little of both.

R77 I'm not saying that. But you'd have us believe they're all the same, whereas I'm saying they're not.

Loads of people want to do each other harm unfortunately (regardless of sex), but most don't. That's just the world we live in.

[quote] I'm not saying that.

It's exactly what you're saying. You said that because you have one trans friend who isn't like that, that the behavior of the majority should be ignored. Does your trans friend accept what the majority trans agenda is pushing? If she's such a quiet wallflower as you portray her, then I'm guessing not.

[quote] But you'd have us believe they're all the same, whereas I'm saying they're not.

No, this is a straw man argument which has zero basis in fact to it. That's YOUR assumption and a way to deflect. Being ANY minority doesn't give one license to act poorly, discriminate against other minorities, attempt to take away their rights and break the law. And this is what the movement has brainwashed a good number of people into accepting. And it's not acceptable at all. Just because you wear glitter lipstick to the gestapo doesn't make you any more fair.

R79 How is it "the majority"? Have you documented all trans people and their behaviour? I'm guessing you're just making assumptions or deliberately overstating it to demonise them all.

I'm not deflecting anything. I'm patiently replying to people like yourself who are constantly arguing in bad faith.

[quote] I'm patiently replying to people like yourself

No, you're deflecting. If you really don't understand how it's the majority, then open your eyes and read. But I suspect, again, you're being willfully obtuse in hopes I'll run around in circles for you. I won't.

R81 Lol so you have no evidence it's the majority, it's just what you think. And you have the gall to call *me* willfully obtuse...

R81 I’m not who you’re arguing with but you’re so owned by a hate algorithm that you can’t see the forest from the trees.

If you say so.

[quote] Lol so you have no evidence it's the majority, it's just what you think. And you have the gall to call *me* willfully obtuse...

Shithead, if the literally HUNDREDS of articles posted here on this topic showing what shitbags the trans movement are and have been over the past decade aren't enough to make a dent in that thick skull of yours, then I'm not about to waste time trying to convince you. You're lost. Now go fuck off.

R85 Hundreds of right wing articles and you've probably posted most of them. You're only swearing at me and getting angry because you're annoyed some of us can see through your hatred.

Spread it elsewhere, we don't want it here.

[quote] Hundreds of right wing articles and you've probably posted most of them. You're only swearing at me and getting angry because you're annoyed some of us can see through your hatred.

No, I'm swearing at you because you're a fucking idiot. Meanwhile, I haven't heard a cogent argument from you. And "I have a trans friend" ain't gonna cut it, sweetheart.

[quote] Spread it elsewhere, we don't want it here.

Actually, we do want it here. the majority of gay men on this site feel as I do. You're the minority.

The trans apologist sure is invested in demonizing anyone that disagrees with him, I’m starting to think there is no trans friend.

R87 I don't think the majority think like you do. The majority express their dissatisfaction with the constant transphobic threads and hit ignore. Hence why the OP's post is crossed out and the first post (which isn't me) tells OP to fuck off.

R88 I'm not demonising anyone. You do that yourself.

[quote] I don't think the majority think like you do.

Of course you don't. You haven't faced reality your entire life.

Heh. You think you know my "entire life" based on a few words on a screen. Grow up.

PARK RUN ISN'T COMPETITIVE!!!!!

Here are some examples, r91. Go ahead. Defend this.

⬆️☠️ Brutal ☠️⬆️

R89 Yet here you are still bloviating about trans injustices while giving yourself WW 🤣

R76, Why should we have empathy for homophobic fetishistic straight white men? Gay people didnt get much empathy from heterosexuals like Bruce Jenner did they during the aids ciriss..

For that matter why should gay men feel empathy for self loathing gay men willing to chop off their dicks to score cock.

These men think they are straight now and do not feel like they need to support gay men.

What is a Parkrun? That's some weird British thing, isn't it?

R97,I do kinda feel bad for them. They wont be getting any cock unless they keep theirs. Most of the het white ones keep their dicks.

'I don't think anyone particularly enjoys seeing the genitalia of others in a changing room. I know I don't. I usually face the wall when I get changed and do it as quickly as possible. But it's a matter of fact that you'll sometimes see it and can quickly look away.'

And you call me unhinged! I have no problem seeing genitalia in a locker room situation or a nude beach. If you see a man's genitalia in a locker room and have to quickly look away you are one sick fuck. I'm not advocating staring either. Why do women and girls have to put up with your diseased shit. Give them a break. A man is scared and feels threatened in a man's locker room so he has to be with the women. And you don't see the guy is mentally ill and needs both a therapist and a psychiatrist! You know these men can change in stalls in men's rooms too. But you are such a dimwit you can't figure that one out either. And you must adore the pronoun garbage. Everyone should be wearing a badge of their preferred pronouns though I prefer adjectives. 'Idiot' 'Narcissist' 'Dysfunctional' 'Non Binary' 'Stupid' 'Pretend Woman' 'Pretend Man' 'Whatever the Hell I Feel Like Today.'

[quote]If you see a man's genitalia in a locker room and have to quickly look away you are one sick fuck.

Surely you're trolling here? You're one sick fuck if you keep looking.

I'm not diseased either.

More weird hate...

I said you don't stare either you very very illiterate person. But if seeing genitalia makes you have to quickly look away you are indeed one sick fuck. Hate the human body that much huh? But you expect women and little girls to have to deal with male exhibitionists in their locker rooms? Well how about these men get arrested as sexual exhibitionists and labeled sex offenders like they should be.

R102 I don't hate the human body, it's just impolite to stare at a stranger's genitalia. You said 'don't stare' but if you're not looking away, you're staring.

I don't accept that all trans women are 'male exhibitionists'.

Also, most gender critical people say most trans women are actually gay men who were ashamed of their sexuality. But then they imply all trans women are perving on women in bathrooms. Both can't be true. It shows how the goalposts constantly change.

If a male who hasn't transitioned and is seen naked in a woman's locker room nude he IS an exhibitionist. And should be arrested. You might not believe it because you are a twisted person. And male nudity was for thousands of years accepted practice with no shame for the male body and you didn't suddenly turn away. Men socialized nude, swam nude and showered nude. And these were straight men. Guys used to have fun snapping other guys naked butt cheeks or play helicopter and everybody would laugh.

You know you are so fucked up. Not immediately turning away you're staring. What the fuck did your parents do to you?

OK now you're taking it in a weird direction. I rarely put people on block here, but I am now. See ya.

Covgrats to Willie Tucker who has completed her first Park run.

R104 Is an exact example as to why today's trans ideology is so fucked up.

Sorry R104. Really awful people ruining everything for the LGB community. Thinks naked men should be in women's and girl's locker rooms but they should just quickly turn away. Disgusting moron.

I keep putting down R104 but I mean R105. This trans ideology has me absolutely furious. That this guy thing children have puberty blocker and genitals and breasts removed. And just on a person's say so they should be the opposite sex and get their birth certificates changed.

There are two sexes guy and trans women are not women. But go and hide you creep.

"Also, most gender critical people say most trans women are actually gay men who were ashamed of their sexuality. But then they imply all trans women are perving on women in bathrooms. Both can't be true. It shows how the goalposts constantly change."

They can absolutely both be true. Gay men are often exhibitonists. Ever go to a gay pride festival and witnessed the leather queen strutting around in their garb? Those are men who get off on being naked or almost naked in public. The MTFs who do the shit in locker rooms with women are also those types. It's a weird way of them wanting attention. The male in the Korean spa in LA decided to get into the hot tub where there were female underage kids and he was naked. He did it for attention and to see what they would do. It was "sexual" only because HE got off on it. Some Mtf's are self loathing gay men and some are straight men with autogynephilia, but I would say that both are practicing a kink that they want others to participate in whether they want to or not.

[quote]Also, most gender critical people say most trans women are actually gay men who were ashamed of their sexuality. But then they imply all trans women are perving on women in bathrooms.

Most GCs believe there are 2 distinct types.

1. transsexuals, the old fashioned "man trapped in a woman's body" otherwise gay effeminate men who would do everything they can to become a real woman and would be accepted because of the effort they make. Think Caroline Cossey.

2. AGPs, the men who LARP at being a woman and think they make better women.

But there's another type now. Men who have no interest in surgery or hormones who use self ID as a way to abuse women.

R111, right. And those types in your second and third examples are the ones who scream the loudest about their rights. They also try to convert young, gay kids to thinking they are trans and those are the types most of us have an issue with. There are actual transexuals, but they are rare and usually content to keep to themselves. I feel badly for them because they are being lumped in with the other two types you mentioned.

The issue is, it's hard for people to make the distinction. You will sometimes hear true transexuals coming out and saying they are against a lot of this transing of kids, but their voices get drowned out by the men trying to force their will onto everyone.

I came across my local Parkrun runners (parkers? participants?) galumphing to the local cafe last Saturday. They seem kind of culty.