JHo THIRSTY for another hit.

Isn’t she in her 50s? Grow up already.

[quote] Jenny crawls, writhes, gets wet and flashes nip

No one wants to see her 100 years old tits, except for Ben Afflack.

She looks great but what is missing in her life that she can’t just enjoy her money and her man and settle down? Leave the ass shaking and the areola flashing to the next generation. She reeks of desperation, and the public never responds favorably to that.

She's been making the same song/same ass shaking/ flaunting video for the past 20 years.

SEX and STUNTS are a young woman’s game. Yes she looks better preserved than Madonna but still, put it away bitch.

She's also 10 years younger, R5. I'll be interested to see what she looks like in her 60s and if she goes crazy on the surgeries when it all starts to fall apart.

I did laugh when she descended from the balcony on a rope. It’s all so blatant. Bless her.

This old bitch again.

Her whole career is a SCAM.

She’s always been vulgar, but there’s something extra sad about seeing someone who has it all and should be happy resorting to this.

Who keeps cutting her checks? She hasn’t been relevant in two decades and has no talent.

^Hi, Mariah!

She demands attention!

Awful music

Culturally, this was inescapable. It is not good

That was hard to watch. Only got about half way through.

This insatiable drive she possesses must make her insane

Sad and desperate

I think she looks good...but the song just isn't memorable. Not a banger.

If JWhore is THIRSTY, then what does that make Madonna?

I don't enjoy this type of music but it is an excellent album. Former colleagues were fans and blasted this at work.

I’ve known people like her. She’ll never be happy. All the riches, accolades, beauty, it’s never enough. She’s a black hole person.

She looked great on snl.

She’s been making the same song for 20 years. I felt like I was going crazy watching this, thinking “is it really new?” This is what AI would spit out if you asked it to replicate a JLo track.

[quote] She looked great on snl.

She's a miserable cunt.

Anyone who has ever dealt with her has said so.

Awful, mean, arrogant bitch.

The Benjamin Moore product placement is truly insane. Anything for a dollar. Never change Jennifer.

Her voice sounds so thin here. Goes to show the producers had the right idea bringing in Ashanti and Christina Milian to do the choruses for her.

What is the end game for Lopez?

EGOT to match the ego?

remember Will Smith who did everything correct for the career and the accolades. On very night he is to receive his award, at the zenith of his career, Smith had a public meltdown, assaulted his colleague and ruined his career.

Lifetime movie acting and having her voice mixed in with ghost/session/demo singers. Bitch is a rude and terrible person and a bad tipper.

Ben Affleck once gave a cocktail waitress a generous tip and J. Lo grabbed it and took back a chunk of cash before giving back to the waitress. That cunt.

Despite having such a long career, she has never grown as an artist. As a pop star she is about on the same level as Sabrina Salerno. Listen to J-Lo and Sabrina hits, and they almost sound interchangeable. The difference is Sabrina Salerno is fun has a fabulous sense of humor about herself. J-Lo has none.

My mom would do something like that r27. Controlling, angry and man obsessed.

Give all the cash to Lopez. Here ya go, mama. You need this more than I do. Obviously.

She has no sense of humor. She will fire anyone she catches singing "Taco Flavored Kissses" from South Park.

To be fair. I don't get South Park. She's Puerto Rican, not Mexican.

This is the only JLo song I’ve ever enjoyed. And Herb Ritts shot her so beautifully in the video - sultry and sensual, without being sleazy. Too bad it wasn’t a bigger hit for her. If it had been, maybe we wouldn’t have ended up with dreck like “Booty” and this new one.

She modeled her early videos and songs after Janet (who she used to dance for), but doesn’t have that star quality. She appears briefly in this clip.

Anyway, Lopez is consistent. Consistently awful. Terrible musicality. Madonna is a raging asshole who has overstayed her welcome in the public consciousness too but Madonna made (stole/borrowed without asking) some great tunes right from the beginning.

God I hate her. Isn’t being an actress enough? She can’t sing but keeps foisting her “music” on the public.

Her babygirl bland singing and her hot milf strut….zzzzzzzzz.

R33 Herb Ritts was a master at bringing out the best in his subjects. He also made Janet (who I don’t usually find attractive) look like a million bucks.

As a backup dancer, Lopez saw up close that singing and dancing talent were not required to achieve and maintain stardom.

I’ll give credit where it’s due as she clearly spends a lot of time in the gym - the bitch looks good. She’s hot. But I can’t get over how boring the chorus of this song is. A single note repeated? It’s failing to make its mark as a comeback single. Even a blockbuster video can’t make up for a forgettable song.

Blowjob Lopez. The public needs to accepting mediocrity as acceptable.

Where’s Ashanti?

[quote] Where’s Ashanti?

Playing at some Indian casino in bumfuck South Dakota.

r42 She got knocked up by a rapist.

Her voice can work on a track with the correct production and blending with BVs, but that is not happening here and they’ve turned her way up in the mix. She’s consistently shrill and flat - it’s verging on unlistenable.

I know I’ll be lit up for this but I actually that she’s a great actress, with proper movie star gravitas. She’s like a lit fuse in Out of Sight and should be an Oscar-nominated actress for Hustlers. She even made Anaconda worth a watch! Which makes it all the more baffling that she’s focusing her energies on trashy pop music, something she doesn’t even really excel at.

I knew someone who waited on her family. She said they were rude and trashy.

R46 People often forget that she was a bonafide star on the rise *only* as an actress in the 90s, but she shaded so many contemporaries (one infamous interview where she complained about popstars doing films and moving in on her patch, oh the irony) and nobody argued because her talent was so clearly immense, even in trashy movies like Anaconda.

Maybe that’s why she gets a little ignored by the Oscar voters when something like Hustlers appears… you could have been the next Elizabeth Taylor and you threw it away for money and branding - do her peers see her as a sell-out!?

Now that she’s so financially secure, I really would love her to work for scale/nothing on some more exciting films from newcomers - Hustlers really reminded everyone why she was considered so special in those early roles…

Hustlers? A terrible film.

I liked Hustlers.

R50 I thought she was really great in Hustlers.

The Benjamin Moore product placement is taking me out. Those gratuitous zoom-ins on the cans of paint! All I can think of is that icky paint fume smell.

Still probably the better smelling Ben in JLo's life.

I know it's a meme that she can't sing, but like...she really can't sing. This is not pro popstar level.

The Benjamin Moore product placement is hilarious.

I am all about the Benjamins, gimme more, gimme,gimme.

R53 One of the worst pop singers to make music imo

R47 Her kids seem okay though, don't they? Fairly normal and not too spoilt?

I came for the comments and they did not disappoint.

You can always depend on JLo to bring body, energy and glamor. And really bad music.

I'm waiting for Sad Ben to make an appearance in one of her videos.

I wonder how long they'll stay married.

Ughhhh I am so sick of this tonedeaf chola!! Not only is she talentless, but she has the audacity to be a complete and utter BITCH! Treating service people like trash, the nasty puta. And what’s worse, I cannot figure why we are stuck with her. I have met Britney stans. I have met Taylor stans. I have even met Debbie Gibson stans (sad, but true). And yet I have never met a single Jennifer fucking Lopez superfan. Who is she FOR? Does anyone even know? At best, people are ambivalent towards her, and at worst, they cannot stand her (me). Even HOLLYWOOD seems to hate this wretched hussy, if their absolute refusal to reward her Oscar bait-y performance in Hustlers is anything to go by. And yet, she persists. She is omnipresent. Is Jennifer Lopez an entertainer, or a treatment resistant infectious disease? Fucking go AWAY.

JLo reminds me of Jayne Mansfield, Madonna, etc.: long after their expiration date, still obsessed with appearing to be A Big Star and sex symbol. Even if it means taking your clothes off in public.

I’ve had to go on Facebook a few times recently and videos of her and Affleck keep popping up. Delete delete delete.

R14 And even this was a RIPOFF

R63. I'm confused. That sounds identical to Lopez's version.

Poor Chante.

R64 She explains it in the video at R65. 45 seconds in.

Get em J. Let these elder raisins stay press.

She looks absolutely beautiful.

Yikes r66

When was her LAST top ten? 20 years ago? Jennifer wasn’t really all that successful in music, despite what she’d like us to believe. She was a flash in the pan who’s hit making days lasted all of five minutes.

JLo only has a career because Tommy Mottola was mad at Mariah Carey and wanted to get back at her. He even gave Mariah’s original “Loverboy” sample to JLo. Luckily for Mariah, JLo can’t sing OR write, so there was no artistic persona for fans to latch onto. The joke was ultimately on Mottola when JLo started flopping after a few years and Mariah rose from the ashes with the Emancipation of Mimi album.

Ugh stan wars are so tedious.

I saw her performance of the song on SNL, and it was just OK. Nothing to write home about.

R60 🙏🏼 Sing it sister.

R60 rhymes with Cariah Marey.

Someone up there said Ain't it Funny wasn't a hit. It was #1 ok.

OMG you old Bitter Bettys. JLo is VERY low hanging fruit, for all this snark.

"Show business has all phases and grades of dignity" PT Barnum. Made him rich and the public lapped it up.

Wrong R75. Ain’t It Funny didn’t even chart in the US. You’re thinking of Ain’t It Funny (Murder Remix), which is in fact a totally separate song.

If only her talent were as big as her ass….

Booty was #18 in 2014 and On the Floor before that was #3, god in some year, 2011?

R77 It's called Ain't it Funny, sit down hoe.

On the Floor is one of my guilty pleasure songs. Never fails to pump me up.

R80 It’s literally a separate composition with an entirely different video. Two different songs that happen to share a title. You sit down, hoe.

I called her out for being a desperate prostitution whore and an embarrassment to her daughter years ago on here and was told I'm a pearl clutcher. Now y'all agree with me?? Pshh.

R82 Yeah with the B&W video, I unfortunately remember and I don't gaf because the next remix is called ain't it funny too so I'm RIGHT u old hoe

R84 You’re not right. Ain’t It Funny failed to chart in the US and was a commercial disappointment. Ain’t It Funny (Murder Remix) was a #1 hit and helped (briefly) revive JLo’s chart fortunes. One is a Latin tinged pop midtempo, the other a straight hip hop track.

I can't listen to this,op. It is intolerable.

She’s a nasty vulgarian resorting to cheap tricks for clicks. Time to hang up the G-string, you grizzled old trollop.

R76 It’s not our fault if the fruit is ripe for the picking.

OK I kinda respect the ability to snark about celebrities such as JLo. I could never work up enough interest in her, to make an effort to snark, even though I see the ridiculous side of her shtick.

All I did was smile when I saw her 2nd number on SNL. Posed rigidly on some kind of hidden apparatus, unable to move, faux nude, with the flower gown. It seemed to come from the Old Dietrich playbook, so I give props for the control of image JLo manages. (Of course JLo is miles away from the exquisite artistry Dietrich could work up within her narrow range.)

Ben = Benjamin Moore

Get it?

AHAHAHAHAHA

Does this mean my walls are sexy now? My main shade is Dried Sage.

That’s what I was gonna say, R4. She’s made this same song 20 times already.

Billboard had to change its rules about how different a song could be and still be a legitimate remix due to JLO gaming the charts.

The original I'm Real (which stole Mariah's Loverboy sample) was released as the third single from JLO in 2001 and promptly flopped. It's the one where JLO arrives in a small town on a motorbike.

Tommy Mottola was determined to destroy his ex-wife Mariah who had now left his record label due to his vindictiveness & had signed with Virgin. Mottola called Ja Rule and told him to copy the song he just made with Mariah (IF WE) so Mariah couldn't release her original. See link below

JLO released the rip off song as I'M REAL (remix) which was allowed to use all the sales and airplay of the original I'm Real to enhance its chart position, despite bring an entirely different song with just the same title. She thought she was onto a winner and did the same with Ain't It Funny, prompting the chart rule change.

She doesn't understand, anyone who'd be interested in her just has a granny complex. YOU ARE OLD!! ¡VIEJA!

The song is shit, can't she hire better writers? She actually had a catchy single a few years ago which went nowhere as radio won't play her.

The infamous I998 MOVIELINE Magazine interview with J Lo dissing her contemporaries (courtesy of In Style magazine)

Sorry. Here we go:

Gotta give credit to the art department and airbrush team because they worked hard on this. That being said, the crows feet around her eyes are becoming very noticeable and she is looking her age. Sad to see her crawling around in a thong at 54. She doesn't need to prove anything to anyone and she looks great for her age. Yes she's older. That's a fact. Madonna and JLo haven't stopped time even though they would love us to think they have.

Movieline was legendary

I remember reading commentary that was allegedly from the person who first attempted to teach her how to sing. She said Jen couldn't even sing do-re-mi-fa-so on key. She called her tone deaf. I still think about that commentary and laugh.

R97, the interview is funny on a few different levels. One, J Lo's opinions are correct. Two, the fact that J Lo is commenting like she's the equivalent of Meryl Streep or Faye Dunaway.

Remember when Mariah had a bipolar episode in 2001 before 9/11 happened? Before that happened, Mariah was trashing J Lo all over the place. It's clearly referring to J Lo because J Lo DID have that contract with Loreal.

She was also asked what she thought about J Lo's comments about being able to sleep a lot. Mariah stated that she didn't sleep much and something like "I would sleep like that too if I had the luxury of not singing and writing my own songs". HAHAHA!

R102 that was right in the middle of Mottola's sabotage of her career when he and JLO were purposefully ripping off the songs she poured weeks into creating for her album

r104, yup, I remember. And J Lo still claims to not know why Mariah doesn't like her.

R103, Mariah is a fat whore. At least Jlo has been successful in all areas of entertainment cement unlike Mooriah of Glitter.

Same shit different year.

Mariah was brilliant in Wisegirls and Precious. The screenplay of Glitter let her down

I never heard of Wisegirls. Would love to see it.

JLo's big comeback single "Can't Get Enough" didn't even chart on the Hot 100. It flopped so hard, even though the song had 10 of the biggest writers in the industry on it. Ten writers and four producers on one song, and it tanked.

She like Madonna and Mariah and Janet Jackson are legacy artists. Popular only within their own audience. Not relevant in pop music 2024. Everyone knows this except for their worshippers.

Not so R111 Mariah is still doing huge streaming numbers on her old hits. Radio doesn't play older artists

[QUOTE] She like Madonna and Mariah and Janet Jackson are legacy artists.

Please. She doesn’t belong in the same sentence. What “legacy” does she have? A few forgettable mediocre pop albums produced by her pimps?

R113, her only legacgy is her ass.

R111 Mariah is history. She is no longer charting. Pull your head out of your big ass.

I'm sure J Lo is charting in some city in Burkina Faso or Latvia.

Comparing JLo to Mariah is like comparing a Kia to a Rolls Royce.

More like an AMC Pacer or a Ugo.

And unlike Jenny from the Block, Mariah has a sense of humor about herself and doesn’t take herself soooo seriously. She’s a bit like Cher and Dolly in that regard. And more importantly, she treats staff and fans really well and seems consistently grateful for her continued success. She’s a diva in the best way, whereas JLo is a diva in the worst way.

Lmao r119

The most memorable moment in the video—

Also, all the hot dudes and her feeling herself out… when in real life she goes home to a 2 pack a day sullen alcohollic. Tee hee.

Hmmm, Jenny on the Block is the only “hit” I know of. She can’t sing and is a passable actress. Mostly she hawks an image or brand to shill merchandise.

She ain’t no Streisand.

A real singer should have been cast in Selena, not J Lo. Can you imagine J Lo actually trying to sing Selena's songs?

Can't stand her Flashdance ripoff video "I'm Glad " where she shakes her big fat gelatinous butt. Now that she's married we'll have to see videos of her proclaiming her love for Ben. I hope they don't do another movie together. I didn't mind Jersey Girl since she died early.

R77 You matter of fact as cunt. Rape me.

[quote] Controlling, angry and man obsessed.

Hey now, what's wrong with man-obsessed?

Why can't these aging divas see that at a certain age you just can't be a hot bimbo anymore? Marlene Dietrich hung up the fishnets and bustiers at a certain age--they need to too.

I don’t like her after I found out about how much of a sociopath diddy is. She is a clout chaser

[quote] gelatinous butt

This is almost poetic.

[quote] A real singer should have been cast in Selena, not J Lo. Can you imagine J Lo actually trying to sing Selena's songs?

What I remember most about that movie is that at the end there were clips of the real Selena performing. She really did have so much appeal. She would have been a big star if she had not been killed. Plus she was genuinely talented. Anyway watching the clips you realize JLo did not bring any of the natural charisma and appeal that Selena actually had.

[quote] Mariah is a fat whore

Not anymore.

R130, exactly! Selena seemed like a genuinely warm, sweet woman and that came through in her music. She was also naturally very pretty and attractive. Selena's music remains very popular today, her youtube numbers are wild. Will anyone remember "Jennie from the Block" 20 years from now? Do they even remember it today? The only reason J Lo is still famous today is because she's recognized as being a novelty, a woman in her 50s who maintains her attractiveness. If that's all you're known for, that's pretty sad.

There is nothing pathetic about how freakin beautiful this woman is at 55.

Her "beauty" is 90% makeup, lighting and angles.

She’s a million years old. Enough already.

It'll be lucky to debut in the Bubbling Under. Which is sad considering the chart points for Billboard are currently the lowest they have ever been.

Poor JHo. I laughed at the shower scene when she was making all those sexy faces. She is so ridiculous.

She's a great actress. Terrible singer.

Great actress??? No. Good, yes. She is a better actor than singer. Hence why she was actually fine as Selena despite being a non-singer. The movie would have still been better if it had a real singer.

DL stay mad at Black and Brown excellence because most whites age like milk.

There's nothing excellent about J Lo.

Yeah I don’t see Jlo as an example of black and brown excellence, R140. More like black and brown mediocrity.

142 = jealous thot

Never thought I'd see the day when DL would have a Jlo bot but here we are.

Her only really decent film performances (regardless if the films were good or not) are in "Selena", "Out of Sight", "The Cell" and "Angel Eyes". After that NADA.

I apologize to the American people for my mistake. The wrong Latina was killed. I will forever regret my mistake.

[quote{Selena seemed like a genuinely warm, sweet woman and that came through in her music

Yes, the warmth was missing and overall JLo trying to come across as sweet just doesn’t work. She was miscast.

R147 Can we think of anyone else that would have made a better Selena though? There weren't that many commercially bankable crossover Latina triple threats in the 80's/90's that looked enough like Selena. Thalia was a huge Mexican musical/telenovela sensation around this time, but she looked more like Britney Spears than Selena. Salma Hayek is Mexican and can both sing and act but she also looks nothing like Selena. In terms of Puerto Ricans like JLO: Rosie Perez—obviously not. Same for Lisa Vidal. It pretty much had to be Jennifer.

R148 They should have held a nationwide casting call and gone for an unknown. They could have used it as an opportunity to launch a new superstar actress.

JLO didn’t shit like Selena in all honesty. JLo looks like a biracial person with more dominant European ancestry, like a lot of lightskin Puerto Ricans. Selena looked mulatto but her nose and overall features from Native American ancestry were strong.

R149 Isn’t this precisely what they did with JLo? Was she known prior to Selena?

I don’t recall JLO’s level of recognition. I seem to recall Selena fans were disappointed that they did not hire an actress of Mexican descent. I could be misremembering that though. As was said above, the choices were slim. There was very little minority representation overall in movies and television at that time.

Jen Garber must be livid. This is what her kids are exposed to. This is their stepmother embarrassing then and herself on the world stage.

Jen Garner dammit.

R151, she was known beause she was on In Living Color but she wasn't a household name. So I think Selena was really her big break.

I had no idea that J Lo seriously attempted to cover Barbra's People. Barbra must have had an aneuryism when she heard this. You can hear the auto-tune in action, it's not discreet at all.

R152 That’s true.

What is wrong with being man obsessed? If you're a single person without any obligations other than you own self. Nothing.

Your own self. Got kids? Married? And you're still out there hoing? No.

I think she's amazing and sounds great, especially for singing through her butt.

R156 that was so painful! Babs should have sent a cease and desist letter.

R156 She also butchered Diana Ross’s Theme from Mahogany.

A much better rendition, and yet another way Mottola helped sabotage Mariah (Mariah’s version was recorded a year before JLo’s).

R162, that one isn't as painful since you the whole thing is clearly auto-tuned whereas her version of people clearly uses it in specific spots. Regardless, she needs to stay away from music.

R163, more proof of what a thief J Lo is.

R164 The live autotune was out in full force during this performance from a few years ago.

R166, was she just lip syncing the entire thing? Pathetic.

R163 My wig and edges flew to Antarctica when she started whistling and to think JLo had the audacity to attempt this.

She's such a wonderful role model for her daughter.

Mariah’s version sucked too.

Are those her NIPPLES we can see?

What does Ben think if her stupid career? Does he love her? Is he a faithful husband?

R140 R142 What is black or brown about Jennifer Lopez? She’s clearly of European descent.

Jennifer Lopez’s first couple of albums were carried by other singers.

She only sang the verses. Sometimes lightly sing over the chorus but the background singers mostly carried the harmonies of the songs. So a lot of the choruses and bridges were sang by someone else.

The greatest evidence is the “Jenny from the Block” reference demo by Natasha Ramos.

J. Lo sang like 30% of the song lol. As she did with all her early albums. It was always someone else.

She’s a bit brown.

R173 You are an idiot if you think Puerto Rican JLo doesn’t also have African and Indigenous people descent. Plus I’ve seen her parents in person. They have mulatto mixture.

R173, Jennifer Lopez is clearly of mixed ancestry and like most Caribbean people, she is a blend of black, white and to a lesser extent, Amerindian ancestry. There is no way she is anywhere near Caucasian, especially without the 50 layers of make up she usually wears.

Anyway, she is a very bad singer, a mediocre actress and a passable dancer who has been promoted to death, and built a career around her revolting globs of cellulite. Which could be forgivable we she not deliriously arrogant, obnoxiously unpleasant and an utter and complete bitch.

J. Lo and her parents are as brown as Javier Bardem and Cristiano Ronaldo.

Most Puerto Ricans descend from Canarian Spaniards. A lot of white southerners have black and native ancestry DNA, they’re not black or brown.

Maybe her 5th great grandparent was black. If you’re white and your family has been living in the US for hundreds of years you probably have one too lol.

I would love to see JHo on Finding Your Roots. Her husband Ben punked out.

But another example of another singing carrying a song for her.

Natasha Ramos sang this entire album lol. It’s basically Natasha featuring Jennifer Lopez.

J. Lo only sings the verses.

TLC did the same thing in the 90’s. Debra Killings sang all the background vocals and anything that needed a harmony. She was basically the fourth member. She may have even made more money than the members (who went bankrupt) cause she wrote a few songs too lol.

But at least they were consistent. If you listen to a J. Lo album it sounds like a compilation album, there’s so many different singers on every song.

1 more example lol.

Completely different singer.

At least with “If You Had My Love” and “Love Don’t Cost A Thing”, they got singers that sound like her so you couldn’t tell.

Rihanna liberated J. Lo from background singers.

Rihanna can’t sing either but songwriters wrote songs for her that wouldn’t require a harmony.

Rihanna pop turned big choruses to just chants and instrumental breakdowns. Songs like “Umbrella” and “Only Girl” and “We Found Love” showed you didn’t need to make a big chorus anymore, just a big chant and a music breakdown.

Since then J. Lo has been able to sing her own songs by herself.

R174, J Lo is so full of shit. Mariah should be wearing a shirt that says "A lo J" (a la Julia Roberts).

R184 It was of the times.

I don’t know who’s singing most of this song but it’s not Toni lol. It makes sense though with Toni cause her voice was too deep to carry the whole song so they had a lighter voice sing it.

But whoever the background singer is, she’s singing all the harmonies.

R181, jlos voice is on all of those songs. She sounds like shit like she always has.

Mariah Carey is a fat overrated drunken whore.

"Another" hit?

Then there's still hope for Carmen Miranda's career, too.

R185, the higher voices belong to Toni's sisters, who have always worked as her backup singers. Still, the choruses are not so high that Toni couldn't sing them. She can belt up to F5 and sing comfortably in head voice up to B5. That song is not a challenge for her at all.

Anyway, JHo is a complete disaster and no amount of singing lessons can improve her voice.

Shit song. And couldn't they at least erase the Griffith Park mountains from the background of "New York City"?

She is an adequate actress. Behind good and above poor.

R183 Rihanna actually has a solid vocal technique and her voice is unique as fuck. People just say she can’t sing because of her pitch problems but it’s actually what makes her voice kinda unique. She is a pop vocalist not a soul vocalist and she’s dam good.

R188 Toni is one of the best contemporary r&b vocalists to ever hit the scene. She can sing r&b better than the Queen actually, her voice just isn’t a versatile and she can’t do rap cadence. I once saw an interview where the lead of some hard rock band said Toni’s haunting vocal s on Unbreak my Heart inspired him to be a better singer.

Mariah was the more popular star in the 90s but Toni Braxton could sing rings around her and her voice is still golden today. Mariah was a girl with actual talent but was always a studio vocalist.