Summer 1984. This was a great time on my first visit to NYC.

1982; 25.

Native.

R2's theme song.

OP is quite the cutie.

I was born in Manhattan in 1961.

Is that you on the right? Sexy man .

2006.. I was 18. There was still a hole in the ground and no freedom tower. Lots of investigate building 7 posters on the walls. I think 18-20 year olds today in Manhattan have no idea what that time was like.

1973 and I was 12 years old. Saw the Rockettes Christmas Show and a movie at RCMH.

New York in 1984 was a carnival

I was five. I saw the original production of “Chicago “, believe it or not. Still remember Chita and Gwen singing “Nowadays “. My parents exposed me to a lot of culture from an early age. I was very fortunate.

Eldergay here: First visit 1964 at age 8 for the World's Fair; First time as an adult: 1979--NYC at its nadir. It was fascinating. 3-card Monte games on the street. Times Square was super tawdry. But the energy was there, even if you realistically had to adjust your paranoia on arrival. In those days, I took daya trips, while living in Connecticut. I'd do a museum, explore a neighborhood, have lunch and maybe shop a bit. It was a little grim but also exciting.

R1 we are close in age then! I was 25 going on 26 in 1984 when I visited NYC.

R4 r5 thank you for the kind words. And yes. I am the one with the plaid shirt around the waist. I always did that back then.

OP, is the guy on the left named Jeff? He looks a lot like someone I met in Tennessee named Jeff.

1990, 21 years old

You were sexy in 1984 VintageBeefcake

You’re still undoubtedly sexy, because you’re still sex positive, willing to share what interests you and you still have a good eye.

You’re a bright spot in this hellish prudish back water web site 😘

[quote] I was five. I saw the original production of “Chicago “, believe it or not. Still remember Chita and Gwen singing “Nowadays “. My parents exposed me to a lot of culture from an early age. I was very fortunate.

A Broadway show with Gwen and Chita at 5 years old ?!!! You never even had a chance to be heterosexual...unless you're a lady.

I was 15, in my parents' basement, and trying to find reasons not to kill myself.

What did you come up with?

How sad that you hit the wall so early. Though, I suppose thats just the way life is for some

1981 and I was 15 and on a school trip to see A Chorus Line.

The moment that’s most vivid is as the bus made its way east on 42nd Street, just gawking at the flashing neon signs “XXX. All-Naked!!!” The street was a randy and explicit place back then. And here we were amidst this tawdry, forbidden and enticing zone. For small-town folk, it made our heads explode and hormones rage.

P.S. Became close friends later in life with one of the main creative forces on A Chorus Line. I always told him his show was part of one of my greatest teenage experiences all around. I was a theater kid seeing not just Broadway but a show that spoke to gays. That night confirmed there was a world out there for people like me.

Native New Yorker here. We’re about the same age and I certainly wouldn’t have passed you by.

Question is, would the Dixie t-shirt still fit?

1975, 13 years old from Flyoverstan with my parents. As other commenters have said, NYC was in it's 'golden' age in the 60s and 70s. My brother lived in a 1 bedroom apartment, so we stayed at someone else's place: a townhouse with an indoor pool (I think that was rare back then), and it seemed like at least a dozen bedrooms, all ensuite. The owner was out-of-state and the only other people in the place were the service staff. All that and then the rest of most of the town a smoldering dump.

Jesus Christ are you people retarded or something? That photo was not taken in 1984. That photo was taken between 1992 and 1996. People didn’t dress like that or have hairstyles like that in the mid 80s. This is the early or mid 90s.

Go play in traffic, R22.

Everyone else, carry on.

OP you were a cutie.

R22 is a very old hairburner who has memorized all hairstyles from his glory days in the 50s until now.

First visited in 1976.

Moved there in 1980. Got the fuck out in 1987.

Hi everyone! Look at this photo of me on my first visit to New York in 1974!

OP, you were extremely handsome. My hunch is that you're still good-looking; your features have a built-to-last quality.

1983 aged 20. Saw a lot of theatre and bought a lot of books. Had the books in a tied-up box for the flight home and customs never opened it. But they lost my clothes luggage.

Here’s a photo of my mom and her friends on their way to Studio 54 in 1978!

I think R22 is right. I immediately thought 1994 when I saw the pic.

OK girls, let's figure out where the photo was taken. Looks sort of Amsterdam and West 80th to me. That area was very gay back then.

Hate to break it to the hater, but blue jeans with plaid wasn’t invented in the 90s. I know it’s fun to be a hater but plaid for men was around throughout the 80s.

I stayed in Manhattan for the first time when I was 22 (1980). Some friends and I went to a Connecticut wedding then stayed in the city for a night. Drinks at Maxwell's Plum, then dinner at Sardi's, ending with a nightcap at Elaine's (she was at the bar counting receipts). We were a mixed group from outside Buffalo and I still wonder who knew of those places. They may have been around a while even then and we may have been out of our league, but I still think it's fun that we gave them all a try.

The next morning I woke up and took a walk, bought a hot-off-the-press New York magazine and there my name was: an honorable mention in the old Competition that they had in the back of the magazine, edited by Mary Ann Madden. I was elated. A great memory all these years later.

Hate to break it to r22, but plaid was all around the 80s. It hit its peak popularity in the 90s though but some guys were rocking it in the 80s. I remember ads for it

They look lovely in their Butterick Patterns dresses, R30.

They must have spent the whole day sewing away.

OP...u cute. I myself came over on the mayflower, i was the floor show to break up the boredom of the superlong voyage. I was Smashing !

R27 and R30- Those are such datalounge responses and I approve.

I HATE people who mis date photos and such or who fuck up scenes in movies such as Coal Miner's Daughter.

Sissy and her husband are having a fight in the parking lot in 1961 and they're standing outside of their beautiful 1958 Cadillac Coupe De Ville , yet in the background of the lot one can see a ca. 1974 Chevrolet Monte Carlo- I HATE fuck ups like that. I still like the movie overall but hate sloppy production values.

Now, there’s no need to drag Sissy into this!

Did you see Tina Turner open shows for Lionel Ritchie?

R30 that’s late 60s or 1970

Studio 54 was late 70s and disco attire. Not 60s attire.

R42, look above you to see the joke fly over your head.

I wore plaid and flannel a lot in the 80s. I know it became a much bigger thing post- Cobain but it existed long before him.

I wore the flannel as a shirt with a tee under and if I became hot I took it off and wore it around my waist. In the 80s. Sorry if that upsets someone on here. But you can’t please everyone.

It’s the hair also in the OPs photo. They don’t look very 80s.

R43 look at the turds flying over your head

R32 LOCATION: It’s looking Soho -> Tribeca. It almost looks like a building on West Broadway below Canal, though the neighboring one is not quite right

Flannel with a tee is much older—it was a standard SoCal look in the early 70s and beyond. Basic “surfer” look.

R48 correct. It was very popular in California as early as the late 60s. It became popular out east a bit later but that doesn’t mean some didn’t wear it.

OP isn’t from NYC and said he first visited it in 1984.

78. 19

OP, the haters here are just jealous because you were HAWT!

If that's really you OP, you were definitely a sexy twink. The guys in the city would have certainly loved you.

That was a dangerous time for gay sex though, HIV wise.

So, who’s the guy on the left OP?

December 1984. I was in my 20s. Stayed at the Waldorf and the Algonquin. Did New Year's Eve in Time Square. Saw five shows.

Yes r12 that’s me, but I spell it Geoff.

I grew up not so distant in miles or time (3 hours) to NYC but had to depend on a public education to land me there on a few small trips organized by various classes as my introduction. I went five times as I recall: field trips to the Met; to MoMA; to museums of broadcasting history and to see exhibitions of advertising; and, out of character, a trip to see a godawful musical and an Xmas show at Radio City Music Hall topped off with spaghetti at Mama Leone's (the hall splendid, the rest not.)

So 1974-1976.

By 17 and 1977 I was at college and went into the city at least a couple weekends a month: replenishing supplies of Nat Sherman colorful cigarettes; jumping from bar to bar in every classic hotel in the city; figuring out our standard order drinks of choice; visiting every museum; hours eating and drinking at the old Russian Tea Room and other joints; being treated to lunches of oysters by someone's stockbroker older brother; staying over at someone's cousin's apartment; and walking absolutely everywhere (a habit to this day); meeting friends at the St. Regis bar or the Plaza's Oyster Bar... It was a good introduction and a great time.

Through college I went very often. After, I was often there for short work trips or for my own ongoing survey of hotels and NYC life. I never did live there. By the time I had money enough to live there, the appeal of living there was gone.

April 1978. I was six. Radio City Music Hall was going to close and my mom wanted us to see it before it shuttered. So we saw the Easter show and the film “Crossed Swords.”

Radio City stayed open.

Went again in 1983 for the “day” with the family. We were there maybe six hours. Arrived in Grand Central which I remember had ads everywhere. Took a tour of the UN, went to Bloomingdale’s. My dad ordered us to not look at the porno theaters as we passed them by. We did not do much else.

My dad did NOT like NYC until I moved to Morningside Heights in 2001 and he loved that neighborhood.

In 2011, when I was 21.

[quote] I always told him his show was part of one of my greatest teenage experiences all around. I was a theater kid seeing not just Broadway but a show that spoke to gays. That night confirmed there was a world out there for people like me

Did he tell you to “Shut up and take it like a man!” because your inane adoration caused his dick to wilt?

R55, then you're definitely not the Jeff I knew. He was truly a Jeff. They don't let you call yourself Geoff when you manage a car wash.

R35/R36

Where the fuck did I said plaid= 90s?

The joke post I posted at r27 (which actually IS from 1984) has plaid!

I said THE CLOTHES

Look at the clothes of the people you posted! [bold]THEY FIT! They are neatly tucked in! The Eighties![/bold]

Look at the clothes and the hairstyling of OP’s picture. He is wearing an oversized graphic tee with a flannel shirt tied around the waist. Look at the hair. That is a surfer cut. This is how people dressed in the NINETIES.

[quote]The 1990s were all about being bold and making a statement with your clothing choices, which is why oversized graphic tees were so popular. Brightly colored t-shirts featuring logos of popular brands like Tommy Hilfiger and Calvin Klein became staples in many men’s wardrobes. The tees were often paired with baggy jeans or cargo pants to complete the look. Another staple was the flannel shirt. This versatile piece could be worn as a shirt or jacket and was often tied around the waist for a grunge-inspired look.

Just because you are SO OLD that eighties and nineties fashions looked the same to you, doesn’t mean the rest of us are! Some of us remember! I used to dress like this!

That's a nice photo. You're very good looking!

Stop being a know-it-all, r61. Blondie's shirt color is *pure* mid-'80s.

Hey you guys! My favorite 80s brat pack movie is on! “Don’t you…. Forget about me… hey hey hey!”

I was around 30 in 1982. I grew up in California, and moved to the DC area in 1978. I ended up working overseas and going around the world before I returned to DC in 1982. So despite having been in some real hellholes (most of the middle East, for example), I was afraid to go to NYC because at that time there was nothing but bad news about crime, etc. Then a friend and her husband visited from CA and talked me into going there with them.

Well, after that I was practically a regular. PeopleExpress used to fly from Dulles to Newark for $19---cheaper than the train. So I would go up all the time and see shows and play tourist.

Then I moved back to CA. Obviously a bit more challenging to visit regularly, but I did it fairly often--last time was in 2019. I used to go up for a week and cram in eight shows (6 evening and 2 matinees.) I haven't flown since COVID so I don't know when or if I'll ever get back. But I miss it.

How old are you OP? I was 24 in '84 and My first visit to NYC was to see my Jr High/High School BFF (who was also a 'mo) who moved there to become an architect.

R63 again, you are wrong. The popular misconception of the 80s was that it was neon day-glo colors everywhere. In reality, the eighties were incredibly conservative and neutrals were favored. That’s why Stranger Things was praised so much; it showed the eighties correctly.

The colorful period we associate with the eighties actually came at the tail end of the decade and bled into the early 90s. This is the 80s/90s transitory period, and the colorful preppy look of the blond man could have been seen on Zack Morris or in this Gap ad from 1991.

1970 or 71. The Twin Towers were not yet finished. One just needed to be topped off and the other was about 75% completed.

I moved to LA that same year at the age of 19. YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE THE SMOG THEY HAD BACK THEN!!

1959, age 8, to board the SS Santa Paula sailing to Venezuela. I remember Grand Central and skyscrapers and the NYC skyline as we sailed out but not much else.

This is Blondie’s jam

Hey, look, it’s my favorite Eighties workplace comedy, 9 to 5!

Remember the fashion show from DTMTBSD?

The 80s/90s transitory period, encapsulated.

So many long, boring trips to NY.

VintageBeefcake posts vintage pictures claiming they're of him or of a family member when they're not. There was another thread where we discovered where he stole the picture from.

R28 I appreciate the kind words. I like to think I am still good looking. Many seem to think so. Like I said earlier today, “the focus of subjectivity is a distorting mirror”.

I was informed I should stop posting myself and family so openly on here, so I will be more careful. I can be so trusting at times.

R75 dear God. You bitch on every fucking thread. Even if he is someone creating an illusion why do you care? You lie 24/7 on here. and that is a fucking fact. So who cares?

You have some kind of fetish for vintage pictures and pretending that a bunch of hot men are your family members. Just one of DL's strange trolls.

[QUOTE]dear God. You bitch on every fucking thread. Even if he is someone creating an illusion why do you care? You lie 24/7 on here. and that is a fucking fact. So who cares?

Well, it explains why he got the era wrong as another poster is trying to point out.

There is a lot of irony in someone who lies 24/7 calling anyone out on lies.

R79 believe it or not, wearing jeans and a tee wasn’t exclusive to the fucking 90s. Jesus Christ. What is wrong with some people?

Do shut up, r67. I was there. I know what I'm talking about. I still have a piece or two in my wardrobe.

R82 I too wore graphic tees and jeans. On cooler days wore a sweater or flannel over the tee. If it got warm you took it off and wrapped it around your neck or waist. It’s getting weird around here with everything needing to be some dramatic argument or expose. It’s getting ridiculous. This isn’t a reality tv show.

For my birthday in Nov. 1994 my grandparents bought tickets for the Rockettes and planned a little day trip for us in December. Grandpa actually died the day after my birthday, so I ended up going with my grandmother and my mother. I don’t remember a whole lot about the day trip other than it being a pretty melancholy affair, riding a Bonanza bus into the city and back. I do sort of distinctly remember seeing my first homeless person.

July 1979. Summer after my freshman year at BU. Visited friends in CT.

Admit to being momentarily overwhelmed by the scale of things.

Did love it and was there many times before moving to California in '86. Only visited a couple of times for conferences after that (finance). Last visit, June 2001, just before the apocalypse. No desire to go now after the socioeconomic changes and pandemic.

OP, if you weren't a professional actor or male model, you certainly had the looks to be. I bet you've had a pretty cool life!

FOLLIES!

Unfortunately at the time I was still a nice Catholic boy from Ohio and didn't experience the delights of the Adonis, David, Times Square., as my first serious boyfriend (from NJ) did around the time of my first visit. We didn't meet until '85.

Visited the Gaiety in 2000 and 2001. That son-of-a-bitch Rudy really did a number on the City.

I felt similar R85. I mean, it's all very interesting, and everything in the world is there, but it's so tall and so crowded and so noisy and so much.

When I first went in 1989, I'd never seen so much of everything in my whole life. I went to Bloomingdale's — the store. I swear St. Olaf could fit into it.

I know this 24 year old who visited NYC recently for an week and didn’t like it much. It’s not that he didn’t like it but he felt the way r85 and r89 felt, only he didn’t find it fascinating. Everything being so tall and crowded really turned him off. There are always so many people no matter where you go. It drove him nuts. He can’t understand why anyone would wanna live like that. He likes having open space.

Needless to say he won’t be moving here. He visited to see how he felt about it and I like that he’s honest with himself vs the people who pretend they love it so much but are miserable.

First time was late 90s, late teens on a family vacation. The city had been cleaned up a lot but Times Square still had an air of danger/fun about it, at least to me. I remember walking past a drag queen who turned and looked back at me with a sort of half-friendly half-mocking look - I’d probably been staring mouth-open as I don’t think I’d ever seen one.

Went a few other times before 9/11 and to me the city lost all its appeal after that. It wasn’t a place of fun anymore. Then in later years there’s the Sex and the City affect and it feeling like it’s just full of marketing and PR people and city/corporate clones.

Jesus, what are you, like 70 now, OP? Why are you posting this old ass photo?

That’s not the Op—-he’s a picture-grabber trolling you.

25yrs old in 87 best time to have been there. It was still gritty, crime-ridden and interesting. You could walk down the street and be openly cruised, It was easy to meet and make friends, not by hooking up but by pursuing your path. The energy in the streets every day was different. One memorable time was when my coworker was helping with a dance gala for Martha Graeme He mentioned it and I simply asked if sounded like fun wish I could go. Later in the afternoon, I was walking down the street and got cruised by a guy we had sex at his apartment immediately he was so hot and it was safe too. I didn't get kicked out so we chatted and I mentioned my being an actor and taking dance classes too. Soon, the conversation came around to this gala of Martha Graeme. Baryshnikov, Kathleen Turner and Maya Pliskya were all to perform along with the company. He then says yeah I know of the event, did you want to go? I can get you into the stalls because I work in the theatre but that's it. It was equally fun as my coworker was there to assist and we had a laugh on how I got in. Lots of stories in NYC

R92 I’m old but not that old! 😉

Handsome as hell.

I landed at JFK the first week of November, 1999. I was 26, there for the weekend to find a place to live because my new job was going to locate me there. I had grown up in large cities and even overseas, but I would soon learn, nothing like New York.

My housing search started in Queens, near where I would be working at JFK Airport. It wasn’t the Queens I barely recalled Archie Bunker living in. I figured I should try looking at places closer to Manhattan, or other lively neighborhoods. Everything was big, loud, dirty, scary and most unfriendly. But amidst all that, I watched a few elementary schoolkids, they couldn’t have been older than 9 or 10, climb out of the gutter like subway entrance at Forest Hills. And that’s when I realized if those little assholes could manage it, I could too.

I spent two good years in NYC, where I really started to come out of my gay shell. Or, at least I started to learn what gay life was like, what I liked about it, and got comfortable with that knowledge.

One last comment… after all the mentions of how hot a twink OP was, I’m a bit flabbergasted no one has mentioned the stock from which he cums!

R97 the real question is why do you have it saved?

1982. I was 16 years old. Went to Times Square at night and that was a sight to behold! Last time I went was 1989. I'd love to go now but it seems crazy.

OP, what was the air like in NYC back then, did it make you choke?

1978. 12 years old with my parents. Stayed at the Sherry Netherland. I had a 3 piece suit. Tan corduroy. Horrible. I thought I was cool and would surely get into Studio 54 with my older siblings in that thing. They didn't get in either and went to some touristy discotheque called New York, New York. I bought a digital watch near Times Square as a souvenir. It broke on the plane ride home. We road in a limo the whole time because there were 5 of us and my dad didn't want any hassle from cabbies. We rode through the Bowery on our way to Windows on the World for dinner because we needed to see that it isn't just rich people in NYC. Dad wanted us to see bums.

Vintagebeefcake is probably too old to know there is a word for what he really is

But in all seriousness his posts are consistent with someone who was already an adult in the Seventies, so the person in the photo cannot be him if that was him in 1984 (and that photo is from the 90s.)

As someone who was already an adult in the 1970s, it would explain his negligence of youth fashion trends in the 1980s and 90s.

Oh shut up, r102. How badly in need of attention are you?

R104, telling me to shut up isn’t going to make the 1990s the 1980s, no matter how hard you try.

What is wrong with you? Autism? It’s autism, isn’t it?

The car peeking out in the background does not look like a car you'd see on the streets in 1984. The height is more like a wagon with color coated bumpers, or even (gasp) a small SUV.

However, I do enjoy VintageBeefcake's posts for the most part.

Got to wonder what VintageBeefcake really looks like if he didn't feel that he could use his own photos. If it's a privacy issue (few people would like to advertise that they post on DL - almost no-one posts their own photos), it's pretty low to do that to someone else.

I love how R22 completely dismantled this whole thread.

People jumped at his throat but he's totally right regarding the fashion being completely off for the time period stated. I would also add that the photo quality gives me more '90s than '80s.

R108 only he didn’t. He keeps on trying to start shit using different accounts. And he does it on every single thread VintageBeefcake posts. He’s obsessed. Meanwhile he is an actual criminal. The irony of it all.

I mean the fact he at r108 has a photo of someone’s father saved says all you need to know about him. And VintageBeefcake said he was born in the late 1950s before. So being in his 20s in the 80s sounds correct.

R111 isn’t that also the poster who keeps posting AI porn and celebs faces attached to porn images? Yeah, but we are to take him serious? That alone shows the type of person he is. I think it’s wrong to post peoples images attached to porn. And it’s wrong to save peoples pics without their consent.

are you the trans in the middle?

R111 If you click on VintageBeefcake's name, you can see the threads he's posted including the father one. So that poster doesn't necessarily have to have it saved - it's easy to find.

R114 but if you posted it as a link means you saved it. The link you posted isn’t the same as the one he posted months ago.

1980. I got mugged and never returned.

I'm surprised no one wants to guess where this photo was taken.

Jesus Christ, R115! I’m not sure if you’re more tiresome than stupid or the other way around. But you, and others like you on this thread are still cunts.

I posted the pic at r97, and like r114 said: I saw VBC’s other posts, found his Dad one and clicked on the pic. That link took me to the original imgbb page and I just re-posted that link.

I suppose now you’re going to accuse me of copying someone else’s work, or being inauthentic or some bullshit like that, when you really just need to go DIAGF. This started off as a fun thread until you derailed it with your Jessica Fletcher stank-ass pussy photo-detective skills.

FUCK. YOU.

1970 as a young child to board the SS France.

Yeah, definitely not a pic from 1984. Maybe 1994.

OP, your mother has camel-toe.

I typically just ignore the person who randomly appears on every thread I create but I just want to say that the year in that photo was 1984. Whether I dressed “out of the norm” for that period is irrelevant. Believe it or not, every city and state had its own style back then. Some styles were universal but we did not all dress the same despite popular belief in modern times. If you went to suburban ohio the people tended to dress differently than those in the city. And people in the city of Ohio tended to be different from those in NYC. And the West Coast and East Coast each had very different styles back then.

I’m from suburban East coast and lived in rural areas for a bit before moving out West. When I came to NYC for the first time I was coming from Los Angeles.

I also haven’t lived in the states for a long time but do go back a few times a year.

^^no girl dressed like that in ‘84.

Ah, now it makes sense. VintageBeefcake is not the person in the photo, or even a gay man, or even a gay man.

Vintage Beefcake is [bold]Davida Rochelle.[/bold] (Poo shoes/Elordi/Mescal troll)

The poster defending VintageBeefcake is clearly Davida:

[quote]R108 only he didn’t. He keeps on trying to start shit using different accounts. And he does it on every single thread VintageBeefcake posts. He’s obsessed. Meanwhile he is an actual criminal. The irony of it all.

That's how Davida talks. Also,

[quote]You bitch on every fucking thread. Even if he is someone creating an illusion why do you care? You lie 24/7 on here. and that is a fucking fact. So who cares? There is a lot of irony in someone who lies 24/7 calling anyone out on lies.

This is 100% Davida. Davida also has many sockpuppet accounts, which she freely admits (she has the two verified Paul Mescal Lover and Jacob Elordi Lover accounts.)

Davida Rochelle Kanter is 67 years old, so she was born in 1956. That corresponds with how old VintageBeefcake says he is.

Finally, what VintageBeefcake does, taking pictures and claiming they are relatives, or himself, is what Davida Rochelle does. She always says she knows or is related to celebrities. I started a thread about a bodybuilder with chimera syndrome, and a poster immediately said "I have it to!" (do you know how rare chimera syndrome is?)

So, if you've enjoyed VintageBeefcake's posts, you've been had. By a wiglet wearing hoe.

Hey r123. Yes. Some did. Enough. You’re obsessed and do this on every fucking thread he posts. Even when it’s not about him. It’s giving stalker.

Fuck off, R125. It’s the first time I ever responded to one of his stupid threads.

R126 on this account but you’re all over it

OP, you are cute. I first visited in the summer of 2004. And then I made my second trip last year in October. I know people on here always lament the death of the old NYC but I love it. It's so diverse and there are hot men everywhere of all ethnicities. People are very, very, very direct on the apps. And it's so walkable. They just need to build a lot more housing and learn how to use garbage cans and that's 90% of their problems gone, right there.

Yeah, except I’m not R127. Trolldar clearly shows you are, though, freak.

R128 you are an idiot.

R129 don't argue with Davida Rochelle. She may accusing you of possessing child pornography, like she did with a poster who dared to say he did not like the movie "Saltburn."

^^and by the way she’s up VBC’s ass, I’d say she’s also VBC.

who is VBC?

sorry vintagebeefcake. too early.

Here is the thread about the bodybuilder with chimera syndrome. Davida Rochelle is R1.

defintiely not 1984. The plaid shirt is the most obvious clue, but as many have mentioned, plaid has been around for a while and so has wrapping a shirt around your waist.

The real gives are his modified floppy bowl cut and the cut of his tshirt. i will post links to some pictures of regular colege students in 1984. It might surprise you how "1970's" they look. That is because we are used to seeing the past through pictures of celebrities and fashionable people, not regular people, who are slower to adopt trends.

The standard normal guy haorcut in 1984 was not a floppy surfer/bowl cut. it was longer on the sides and back, a precurser to the mullet. Similar ton the way Jacob ELordi wears his hair now. (see picture)

the t-shirt worn in the picture is cut to be worn loose: Wider in the shoulder with a sleeve that hits at or near the elbow. That was absolutely NOT a thing in 1984. t shirts on men and women were fitted with sleeves that ended hugging the middle of the bicep. (see picture)

the Woman's tshirt also screams 90's to me. it falls too low to be 1984.

more real college students in 1984

The woman facially looks very similar to the man. I'd guess she's his sister. VintageBeefcake, want to make up a story about how you have a sister? Who is she?

Here is the infamous chair photo.

This is your sexy VintageBeefcake. A gash in a babydoll.

Very wide shoulders compared to hips - does that mean Davida R. is MtF trans?

That being said, given that it took 22 responses before someone (me) pointed out the obvious, I cannot entirely blame Davida for posting as VintageBeefcake, because clearly some of you are easy to hell as manipulate.

No Adams Apple but you are correct, Davida Rochelle could easily pass as an MTF. She reminds me of the bodies on the female athletes you used to see from the Soviet Union.

R142 So why is she posting on a gay male forum then!?

I think there is a significant amount of irony lost on those here who declare “bullshit” on one poster/offender, forcefully backing their claim by quoting other posts supposedly made by OP/offender. Yet they never really show how their work: how do they know the other posts are from OP or the sock accounts they claim?

They demand a certain amount of belief and credibility that they, in turn, aren’t willing to give over something as stupid as a photo.

As I said, the irony is definitely wasted. I’d like to help those of you understand irony… here, please take this red hot, IRON poker and shove it up your ass.

R143 Davida Rochelle does not even like gay men. She calls us "disgusting."

She posts here because of the way the forum is set up to allow anonymous posting. Davida Rochelle's primary habit is reading showbusiness news and reposting it here. She is a former actress and I guess it makes it seem like she still has a connection to the industry. Almost all show business news or "advance movie reviews" posts are from Davida Rochelle.

Also, remember we don't really have moderation any more. When the site had moderation, Davida was banned. She has probably been banned from many forums for her antisocial behavior.

R136 you stole that picture from the NYT. The guy in the middle is Kurt Streeter—one of the best sports columnists in the country and currently a national reporter for the Times. He was a highly ranked junior tenia player and was the captain of Berkeley’s tennis team.

R147 did R136 claim the picture was his or her own? They reposted it with the New York Times link.

You are accusing other people of catfishing to defend someone who catfishes. What the hell is wrong with you?

Stole it? lol. linking to something isn't the same thing as stealing it. But yes thats where i found the picture. i googled college students, 1984, to see ifi could find anyone with haircuts like either of the men in OP's post. I couldn't, but i did find a lot of studs.

Oh R147 is Davida Rochelle too. Jeez. Never mind.

These are R147's posts. This is how Davida Rochelle talks. She oftens makes references to K Sessms or the weatherman from the scandal.

[bold]Byron Allen Offers to Buy Paramount Global for $14 Billion[/bold] Fuck off, bigot.

[bold]Byron Allen Offers to Buy Paramount Global for $14 Billion[/bold] R16 is an idiot, if not an ass. He’s been working in this zone for decades. News flash: a very successful media investor. A billionaire even.

[bold]Byron Allen Offers to Buy Paramount Global for $14 Billion[/bold] And R14 has his head up R16’s asshole.

[bold]Byron Allen Offers to Buy Paramount Global for $14 Billion[/bold] With all disrespect, you sir sound like an idiot.

[bold]Byron Allen Offers to Buy Paramount Global for $14 Billion[/bold] Ok—Kev. Back to the magnolia blossoms with you.

[bold]Byron Allen Offers to Buy Paramount Global for $14 Billion[/bold] R47 hasn’t a clue about how finance and private equity work….

[bold]Byron Allen Offers to Buy Paramount Global for $14 Billion[/bold] You’re an idiot, or very good at playing the role for DL. That is all.

Yeah. That poster is truly psychotic. He’s replying to himself even. It’s absolutely insane. R151 will be redtagged soon.

[quote] Yeah, but we are to take him serious?

Are we to take you seriously? You sound like an uneducated faggot with poor grammar.

You're wrong R153.

They sound like an uneducated gash in a babydoll with poor grammar.

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Dark Minge 'Gemini' Lord has poor reading comprehension but I'll answer seriously: OP isn't any of them.

Not commenting on OP’s pic, just that plaid shirts as garb and accessory were a thing in 1984. See Judd Nelson in Breakfast Club and publicity shots of Anthony Michael Hall in sane.

R157 What are you commenting on if not OP's picture? Plaid shirts were a thing in the 90s too - I wore them in the 90s. People have addressed this - it's not the plaid, it's other things.

🔼in same

R158 I’m not sounding off on whether OP is Davida, etc.

R158 just because they were a thing in the 90s doesn’t mean they weren’t worn in the 80s. Many people did. WTF kind of logic is that?

“ Plaid shirts were a thing in the 90s too”

You said TOO. That implies you’re aware they were a thing in the 80s as well as 90s. That immediately negates your argument and obsession.

And people wonder why DL is dying… there is not a single thread on here that doesn’t have that immature mentally ill fuck on it. Any thread you click on he is there.

R148 R150 R151 you’re projecting, and a bit too much…arguing that I’m rubber and you’re glue over and over again. For lack of a better word, it is Trumpian.

It was 1984. I was there. All this commotion one person has started only assures me that I can no longer share anything personal on here. I was in the belief I was interacting with mature adults who I enjoyed sharing with but there has not been a single thread of mine posted here that has not been attacked for one reason or another. I am an elder gay man. I am not here for that.

R149. I should have said it was pirated…I was joking about the theft. My point was only to note the person featured, who is a great guy and a great writer. No harm intended.

I want to point out something else:

The cunt at R23 who posted this:

[quote]Go play in traffic, R22. Everyone else, carry on.

Is the same person who posted this:

[quote]Native New Yorker here. We’re about the same age and I certainly wouldn’t have passed you by. Question is, would the Dixie t-shirt still fit?

I want to point out what Davida Rochelle is doing. It's a facet of social engineering (the PC word for gaslighting) called [bold]bias confirmation.[/bold] Davida was confident she could get away with catfishing you guys because she posted the photo with text confirming the biases she - correctly - assumed some of the posters here would have. That they would be older men from New York, who would look upon the eighties with nostalgia even though it was horrible. There was an entire episode of The Golden Girls about this, where someone who claimed he was Rose's husband's friend from the war was just someone from the pension department who had a little bit of information about her husband and manipulated her into filling in the blanks. That's exactly what Davida did to this poster. That's why R23 defended her - even, surprise surprise, he actually knows who Poo Shoes is based on his other posts! Because she had correctly manipulated him by targeting his emotions.

You may not be here for that, but others are ;)

Stick to the hot older porny stuff—it’s appreciated. No need to make your pics too personal. That’s my 2 cents.

r161 youre the one who keeps bringing it back to the plaid.

weve repeatedly commented on a number of anachronisms in the way these people are dressed

the looser and longer way the brunettes t shirt is cut, was not a thing until the late 80's when designers led by Armani popularized a looser, bbaggier more relaxed fit in menswear.

Neither of the mens' haircuts are in any way consistent with trends of the time. One could argue that they were particularly fashion forward gentlemen but nothing about the rest of their dress suggests otherwise.

the way they are dressed is completely accurate for three relativewly normal, conventional white college students in 1992-1994 not 1984

I'll post yet another picture to illustrate what these boys would dress and wear their ahir like if it were actually 1984

R167 no. No one is here for DRAMA and unhinged behavior. That isn’t witty or funny or clever. That isn’t even bitchiness. That’s just psychotic. You seem to have no moral compass and certainly no basic logic. It’s crazy and confirms all I already know about you to be true. Hence why you’re unemployable and living off your family at your grown age.

R167 That's what I think too - why not just post vintage pictures for people to enjoy? When you catfish and make obviously untrue personal claims about them, you're just obviously opening yourself to people calling you out for it. This is not the first time this has happened to VintageBeefcake either.

That’s not even the US in the 60s. They’re all dressed in sweaters from the 40s 🤡

R168 NOT EVERYONE WORE TIGHT CLOTHING. NOT EVERYONE DRESSED THE SAME. Some of us wore out clothes looser. Even in the 80s. Your argument makes NO SENSE and instead of moving on you keep on. A few of us have pointed this out to you yet you continue.

R170 you’re replying to yourself again. It’s honestly insane.

He can post whatever he wants. Don’t you post AI porn with celebs faces attached?

VintageBeefcake you can post whatever you want. Like everyone else does. That fucking retard thinks he owns this place. The irony is Muriel himself doesn’t want him here and keeps red tagging him. You would think he would take the hint.

And there’s the telltale sign of our troll, those same words used over and over again: Hence why you’re unemployable and living off your family at your grown age…

R169 is the “you’re unemployable and living at home” troll…

R175 I'm noticing this quite a lot. I am not familiar with Davida but in this thread this person has claimed that I 'lie 24/7' (I hate lying - I find it stressful so I don't do it). And that I'm "replying to yourself again" - I'm not replying to myself at all - you're a totally different person to me. And this troll also claimed "Don’t you post AI porn with celebs faces attached?" What? WTF? Why would you think that of me? I've never done that.

So this poster seems to make a lot of wild claims with no evidence that seems to be about projection. The 'you're unemployable and living at home' claim is probably another projection.

OP, I would like to apologize for my post to you at R92. After looking at some of the other things you have posted, I understand what you are trying to do here and I respect and appreciate it and I wish nothing but good things for you.

Again, I am sorry for being a dick earlier.

Yes Davida Rochelle's basic assault tactic is that you need to get a job or are unemployable. Davida Rochelle was a struggling actress, so these are things that would have been told to her many times.

Davida likes to accuse people who disagree with her of doing things like "making AI porn" or possessing child pornography.

And see look at the person at r177. So... easily... manipulated! Davida probably diddles herself when reading some of these responses.

OK---dozens of troll feeding threads. I actually liked the various reminiscences. Can we get back to that. Bitchery is fine for awhile, but this is ridiculous.

R180 Sure, if you just post vintage photos to appreciate. Leave out the catfishing and lies about them.

Reminiscences about what? Lies? What is this, Make America Great Again?

The purpose of this thread was to manipulate gullible older gay men. It should die. Start a new thread if you want to reminisce.

OP, you resemble a young Gregory Peck in the photo. Very handsome.

Is that Ray Liotta in R27? The guy in the center?

Could you post a couple more pics of yourself from approximately this time period?

See, look at the idiot at r183. Davida diddles herself every time she gets a compliment using her stolen picture. That’s the point. They get off on this.

R185 imagine asking someone to post more pics of themself after behaving like a psychopath…

R180 its actually all one person. Scary but true.

Turquoise was a pretty popular color in the early 80s. I bought a vibrant turquoise polo shirt at Bloomingdale's during a visit to NYC in 1982, which I remember because I was from the Midwest and it was the first time I had ever been in the storied Bloomingdale's.

My cousins lived in pre-Chinese Flushing. I would take every opportunity to go into Manhattan for sightseeing. Of course, I did most of my sightseeing inside the old Adonis Theater.

The vehicle in the background doesn’t look ‘84.

1933, 19 years old

See, look at the fool at r189. He is choosing to validate the obvious lie because the liar tapped into his emotional response from his own memories. He has been successfully socially engineered. Want to know how Trump fooled so many people? Look no further.

No one said the color turquoise wasn't popular in the eighties. They are pointing to the cut of the clothes, the hair, the car in the background, 190 posts and no one has brought up the color turquoise. Except you, because you have been fooled.

Any photos of you from the present day, OP?

Datalounge has been GASLIT !!!!!

Although the picture is blurry, from what you can make out the car's brake lights don't look like 1984.

^^ the car looks like a small SUV or hatch. Looks more 90s for sure.

R195 r196 stop replying to yourself. Take this as a last warning.

Also, you see like 3 centimeters of the car. Also, you think there was one car type in the 80s? Are you ok??? No, you aren’t. This is embarrassing and not for the reasons you think.

R193 psychopath, you’ve been attacking that poster since yesterday and have posted more than anyone on this thread using more than one account. You’re only exposing how unhinged you are. Imagine attacking someone but think they’re gonna post more? Use the little bit of brain capacity you have. And I now know you’re unemployable, so maybe go get a hobby.

You’re fucked in the head, R197.

R199 read all of your comments on this post. You calling anyone fucked in the head is hysterical. You have no self-awareness. On top of that, you are unemployable. You are a grown man living off your family because you cannot get a job. Do you want to share with everyone why you’re unemployable? let’s see if you’ll be honest. Let’s see if the person that keeps running his mouth will be honest.

^Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs

R201 everyone here knows how to read. All your posts are right there to be read. Yet now you wanna try to spin it? When you’ve made a fool of yourself in a way I haven’t even seen psych ward patients do. You’re playing with the wrong one. You should really tone it down. Retard with no job.

Sorry for your brain damage, R202.

Yup. He’s a “bad bitch” running his mouth 24/7 and making a fool of himself on the internet, thinking he’s exposing people but the minute it’s about him suddenly everyone else is crazy. Exactly what he does over and over. A true psychopath.

PS everyone, that poster has numerous accounts (a few on this one thread) and has the most red tagged accounts ever on this site. He has no job, no schooling, nothing. He sits behind a screen posting on here, Reddit, LPSG and even anonymous sites all fucking day and night. It’s insane shit but the TRUTH.

This reads out like entries in a meth diary…take a look at the new Bret Easton Ellis thread to see what I mean.

Of course r192 is:

[quote]Ummm… he drops out. He’s not really running for President. He drops out and endorses Haley in exchange for money to pay his legal fees. He agreed to stay in the election so Biden does not drop out, and then he drops out and gets the money. Haley gets elected, and he gets pardoned.

[quote]I go over this again and again, and you still don’t get it. Why even bother? Clearly, you are limited.

Wow OP. Handsome. 😊

R206 if I am right and you are wrong about this situation, what makes you think that doesn’t extend to others?

You are clearly determined to buy whatever version of reality you are being sold. Your version of reality has people dressed like this in 1984.

R208 you’re the only person invested in this bullshit. Literally. No one else cares. Enough already.

[quote] R75 dear God. You bitch on every fucking thread. Even if he is someone creating an illusion why do you care? You lie 24/7 on here. and that is a fucking fact. So who cares?

Wow, self aware much? Every single one of your posts is a whiny, bitchy, nasty (and worst of all, unfunny) rant.

You're a bigger asshole than you can even fathom.

Damn! I'm going back to the Fill-it-to-the-Rim-with-Brim thread!

This looks like OP's Dixie Beer shirt, and it's purportedly from the 90s.

If the shirt don’t fit, you must acquit!

Excellent r212

Vintagebeefcake is officially outed as a catfish.

Because some Gen Z Poshmark copy writer says so?

Grew up in CT when I was really young. I think my dad would take my brother and I to NYC for cheesecake and shopping at that toy store with the key board from the Tom Hanks movie. But I barely remember beyond the Independence Day display they had up when the movie was was out. I had to be around 6. Then we moved out west.

The first official family visit/trip to NYC that I'm old enough to recount was in December 1999, I was around 8. We did a trip to NYC for New Years. The plan was to be in Time Square for the ball drop. Y2K could kiss my family's ass. Sometime while on the trip, my parents heard how shitty it is down there, especially with two young kids, and no bathroom, plus crowds, so the plan was scrapped. Instead we entering the new century from our hotel near Times Square. I was pissed. Also, don't understand how my parents didn't know before booking the trip that no one sane does Time Square.

The highlight of the trip was taking the ferry to the Status of Liberty. I lived in a landlocked state and was still obsessed with Titanic. My gay ass wanted to hang off the front like Rose, but I had to settle for the back of the ferry, till my mom forced me inside due to the cold. The statue of liberty was cool, but I hated the slow line up to the crown. I hated feeling both damp, cold, and at times hot while waiting. I was disappointed we couldn't go up to the torch, I think I saw that in Ghostbusters or something.

We also saw Stomp or some tap dancing show. I was more angry about losing my can of silly string I had saved for New Years. It was in my coat pocket when I got to the theater. I told my mom about this recently and she admitted one of my parents, "Threw that shit away when I wasn't looking." Rude! Considering the age of my brother and myself, my parents dragged us to a lot of stops in Manhattan on that short-ish trip. We didn't make it to the WTC which is obviously a huge miss.

My second trip to NYC was during college. No gay stories but it cemented my appreciation for urban environments. I now live in Chicago but like many of my friends, living in NYC is still a "what if" type of dream.

R216 this is a catfish unmasking thread now. No one is going to read that long ass story.

That was a sad experience told badly.

Sorry r217. I admit, it's not a very interesting story either.

Op's hair and clothes look straight out of the 90s. Weird.

I am not a catfish. R217 is truly obsessed. It’s consumed the last 24 hours in me! And let me guess, he can’t possibly understand why someone might change timelines around? Look at how consumed he is in this. He has devoted almost 24 hours to this, as I was warned on a thread I made months ago. I was told to be careful because there is someone on here who saves photos people post, uses Image search engines to try to find the people and stalks them.

My images are me but the timelines will never be 100% revealed for my own safety. I am an elder man but like I said last night, I’m not as old as you’re led to believe. But my exact age will never be revealed because dates can lead to being found.

All that person has done is confirm the warning that I received months ago. If someone posted their photo here I would engage with that person but that’s it. Not him. He saves it and obsesses over it. Scary people do exist.

Good thing I don’t even live in the states anymore.

No-one needs to 'save' anything, idiot, because all they have to do is click on your name and there are all your pictures to be found. You're the one who permanently uploaded them to imgbb.

2002. I was 22.

My friend who I went with hooked up on our first night - which was fine by me! I went to a West Village drag bar (Lipps? I think?) to waste time until he was finished getting fucked. The bar had this thing where the hottest guy in the bar got to drink for free. They brought up three "contestants" and asked us some inane questions. Then the audience voted for the hottest of the bunch.

And little ol' me won! For one brief moment, I was the hottest guy in all the land! I was a budding drunk at the time and got utterly wasted on the free drinks. I ended up going home with some older Aussie dude with a tiny dick. Bailed on him (but was very polite about it) then met an older, business man type at an midtown bar (OW Bar, I think?) and made a drunken fool of myself making out with him all over Manhattan until we went back to my hotel and I finally got properly fucked.

Fun fact: That Aussie guy with the small dick ended up being my boss when I moved to NYC a few years later!!

OP I agree. That poster is obsessive and crazy. He’s unemployable and lives off his family. People think I’m just being an asshole but I’m not. It’s the truth. His behavior on this thread only confirmed everything I’ve been saying for a long time. It’s actually alarming how aggressively obsessive he is with STRANGERS.

And just so you know, he is a criminal and saves all pics posted. So stop posting personal pics. He’s truly sick. It’s not a joke.

Op, if there is on thing DLs will know, it's the 80s. They are stuck in it, so pretending a photo from teh 90s is the 1980s, when we can see their style is never gonna work on DL. You could have been better off without the photo.

R226 the photo was the point of the post. I found it and wanted to share. It was my first time in NYC. It was a moment I will never forget. I just changed timelines because there is someone on here who truly is obsessed with all my posts and photos and added a few years of age to myself. I love sharing with you all but that one person ruins it. However, it was the early 90s. Not mid-90s.

I actually took many photos in that same spot because I made the person taking the photo take it more than once out of fear my face didn’t look good. Remember, this was pre-digital days. We couldn’t delete on the spot and take it again. We had to wait to get the film developed!

I love DL.

An innocent post by the beloved VintageBeef spawns a litany of hate fueled responses by posters pissed off at (possible) anachronistic fashion.

Best site on earth.

Not possibly—now confirmed by the source!🫥

OP, all is forgiven because you were really cute.

Can someone now tell us where it was taken.

R231 Manhattan.

R228 there is nothing funny about the behavior of that individual. None of it was funny. It’s alarming and I could easily build a case off him with just this thread alone.

What nabe, tho

I was minutes old when I first visited New Tork at Baby’s Hospital (at the time) part on Presbyterian Hospital.

New Stork

Is that the Woolworth Building or the Empire State Building over the blond guy's right shoulder?

[quote] My images are me but the timelines will never be 100% revealed for my own safety. I am an elder man but like I said last night, I’m not as old as you’re led to believe. But my exact age will never be revealed because dates can lead to being found.

Wait...so is the photo at OP from 1984 or not?! That's the only thing at issue here.

R227/OP, I don't understand why you didn't immediately just offer this explanation. It would have shut down all the trollery. I was just an observer who wanted to partake in the fun but suddenly felt like I was the victim of some nefarious scheme to manipulate me/us.

R236 neither

This thread is batshit. Not even fun DL insane. But actually insane.

I hadn't read most of it when I posted at R224 or R228.

Honestly, you guys need to get off DL and take a walk or something.

I get that you guy(s) correctly called out the OP on his photo gaffe, but at what cost? Who cares? It's the DL. We all fudge things from time to time. To so relentlessly attack a poster is just cruel. Again, even by DL standards. It was a post about your first time in NYC. A fun idea for a thread, btw. And it just got torpedoed for no real reason. Other than you just had to be right.

That said, OP - and I love many of your posts - but if the photo was taken in the 90s why not just say so from the start? I hate to tell you, but you're kinda the problem in this thread. No one even cared if the photo was early 90s or early 80s. And you know you can't get away with anything like an out of date photo on the DL! We catch everything. You've been here long enough to know better.

Tsk, tsk both of you.

How come we can post Davida’s name now?

R240 if no one cared all that drama wouldn’t have happened. It was ridiculous and psychotic. Not funny at all.

[quote] I get that you guy(s) correctly called out the OP on his photo gaffe, but at what cost? Who cares? It's the DL. We all fudge things from time to time. To so relentlessly attack a poster is just cruel. Again, even by DL standards. It was a post about your first time in NYC. A fun idea for a thread, btw. And it just got torpedoed for no real reason. Other than you just had to be right.

I don't agree. The photo was represented to be of OP's first visit to NYC. When eagle-eyed, keenly observant Dataloungers suggested that the photo was not from 1984, OP should have just said it was intended to be illustrative of his youth but was not from 1984. S/he did not. Instead, they invited all of this hysteria by arguing with some anonymous poster(s) about something that was ultimately inconsequential.

Some of the folks here can solve crimes (i.e. soft-butch sous chef). I fully appreciate Dataloungers ability to clock a fraud (or a so-called 'gaffe') The world is generally too lazy about analysis, observation, discernment and judgment.

[quote] [R227]/OP, I don't understand why you didn't immediately just offer this explanation.

Because the intention was to deceive you.

The first time I remember was 1968 age 7. Became obsessed with the Empire State Building.

I was probably there for the World's Fair years earlier but I don't remember.

Neither. That's 60 Wall numbnuts

I mean 40 Wall

Another native.

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R243 read the rest of my post.

In the second half (after the part you quoted) I say just about the exact same thing as you said: DL catches everything.

I agree with you. Ultimately it was the OPs fault. But the crazies attacking him were just as annoying. At least to me.

Anyway, who the hell cares.

Still a great idea for a thread.

[quote] [R243] read the rest of my post.

Gurl, I read your whole post. You suggested that unmasking the potential deception was "cruel." OP invited and incited relentless attack by going round and around with a poster, and accusing that poster of malfeasance, instead of just acknowledging the misrepresentation. I think the attack was certainly deserved if not encouraged. I applaud the "troll" for their persistence. It ultimately was more entertaining than reading accounts of first time trips to NYC.

Why is the retard still going? I went to bed and woke up, got ready for work and check this site as I’m on my way to work and see he’s still going? This is a forum filled with liars. You specifically. Look at your posting history. Look at the threads you create. It’s so funny how we are supposed to believe that persons bullshit but you’re upset someone else dared to not be honest??? Seriously?

R253 - some might wonder why you felt the need to respond over 30 times, plus accuse posters of having multiple accounts. The projection from you is off the charts. Anyone can tell you’re also the OP and several other posters in this thread, saying the same things and making the same accusations over and over. And then you call other people retards? Look in the mirror, hun.

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I don't want to sound suspicious and conspiracy theories about OP being Davida are silly, but didn't OP post a pic of himself in his late teens, somewhere on the fields, where he looked blondish and more frail, similar to the guy on the left. The guy on the right has dark hair and stronger facial features. Could be that the previos photo was not clear and OP had been younger.

I checked. OP was hiding most of his face and hair on that previous photo, so it was just my impression that he was blonde and with frail features. Sorry.

Here’s a look that splits the difference between 1984 and 1994 🤷🏻‍♂️

R257 He's also hiding his full face in his latest thread claiming to be a current photo. See for yourself. The thread is full of people buying it. I posted at R21 (the only skeptical person) but immediately got a reply saying that they have 'no doubt' even though you can barely tell much.

Trolls put a lot of effort in these things... and naive people buy it.

^^ Sorry, meant post R 20!

R259, that was I who said I have no doubt it's the same man. I really think if you compare the photos of OP in this thread and the Valencia thread, you can see it's the same man. Facial structure, features, hair--all are the same.

He's a great-looking guy; he explained why he fudged the time period on the photos in this thread, and I find his explanation reasonable.

R261 Sure Jan.

As long as we're doing stock DL replies, R262, you should know that forms of address require preceding commas.

As in, "Sure, Jan."

(Oh, dear!)

R263 What a cheap, pathetic reply. Not addressing my concern. Why doesn't he post a full face picture?

He’s dumb, but not that dumb. Or he doesn’t have a current full photo of whomever that might actually be. Take your pick.

R264, one cheap reply deserves another.

OP is harmless. I enjoy his threads and photos. Great nostalgia value. Let him be.

r266 If I were the guy in the picture I wouldn't be happy that he stole it and posed at me to pretend that I post on DL. There's a reason almost no-one posts their real pictures on DL. Catfishers who use other people's pictures are pieces of shit.

Now, if he had posted vintage pictures on their own, no claims about them, people would be fine. He has and nobody called him out for that. It's only when he claims that it's him (and it's obviously not) or a family member that people call him out for it.

Do you really find that hard to understand?

[quote]OP is harmless. I enjoy his threads and photos. Great nostalgia value. Let him be.

See this is the perfect example of the effect of social engineering. To make excuses for some kind of fraud because the person has affected you emotionally. That’s the goal. Again, Trump.

R266 do yourself a favor and go to Youtube and search for “Raul Esparza Barnum”

R254 you DO have multiple accounts. You just rushed to reply to yourself immediately at r255. At least now we know that account is tied to you also…

Let's be real it was just an OK thread topic.

If i wanted to hear a bunch of old queens talk about the time their grandma took them to Serendipity after the Rockettes, Id log onto Datalounge..... Oh.

Never Mind.

R270 then dont comment on it. It’s very easy to not comment.

r271 I wouldnt have except dumbass OP combined his request for stories with a glaringly obvious untruth.

This is datalounge. People will and have crucified my posts here based on nothing so much as a punctuation error. And thats ok because thats how this site works- errors and untruths will be identified and called out, harshly.

But here OP and his defenders are asking us to overlook a blatant lie (that he defended repeatedly, until unassailable evidence of his lie was offered) because apparently "tell us about the first time you went to NYC, is the most thrilling topic of conversation ever floated here.

Nope.

Are either of these guys in the photo?

R273 - nope.

The summer of 1959. I was 6 years old and I spent my summer vacation with my great aunt and uncle along with one of my cousins. They lived on W. 93rd St. & Riverside Dr.. I remember it as a fun summer, but I wasn't old enough to truly enjoy everything that was going on.

The thread at R273 clearly proves that OP is full of shit. Neither of the men in that photo are the guy he claims to be in this photo.

Getting validation for posting old photos wasn't enough, he had to start claiming to be in the photos. Bizarre.

R275 still trying to catch up to the reality of the thread…

R276 you’re still going… it’s been 2 days. I know you’re unemployed AND unemployable but you’re truly obsessed. And then have then nerve to act like you don’t know why people are leaving this site in droves or why they don’t post anything personal. And I want you to know every post of yours is being saved.

That is the first time I've posted on this thread, save away sweetheart, R278

The same reason I changed timelines is the reason post different photos. To throw off the lunatic who is very clearly obsessed with me but who also claims to not be. I’ve only ever seen psychos behave this way. I’m very happy I was warned months ago to play it smart. And he is upset.

R279 false. First time you’ve posted from THAT account. Same person behind the account.

R272/piratejenny1,

R271 IS the catfisher. Don’t engage her.

R278 is also the catfisher/Davida Rochelle Kanter

If you want to confirm this

#1 go to any thread about Paul Mescal, Jacob Elordi or the movie Saltburn. Bookmark the thread.

#2 Come back here and block any poster who is hostiley defending OP, or posts by VintageBeefcake

#3 Go to your “Ignored” page. The posts will overlap.

2014, I was 24, jealous much?

These are VintageBeefcake’s own posts. They are on threads started by the Elordi troll. It’s the same person. Davida Rochelle.

[bold]”Saltburn”- I’ve already watched it 3 times! PS video of the opening scene posted[/bold]

I will be watching this tonight! I had no intention of going to watch it tonight but my partner wants to, and I liked the Elordi kid in Priscilla so I’m willing to give it a go. I think he is why my partner is even interested in this, aside from the aristocracy. He seems fascinated by white Brits from old money.

[bold]”Saltburn”- I’ve already watched it 3 times! PS video of the opening scene posted[/bold]

R23 a good partner will accompany his significant other to something like a movie if the partner wants him to. Your attitude is probably why young people struggle with relationships more than any previous generation.

Also, I want to watch it myself. I just didn’t expect to go tonight.

R24 we are elder men. We aren’t sitting around desperate to see some actors cock. We’ve seen MANY in our lifetime. Not to mention my partner has already called the lead a minger. He is British.

R26 correct. That was not me. Strange behavior from that person.

[bold]”Saltburn”- I’ve already watched it 3 times! PS video of the opening scene posted[/bold]

R51 your comment makes no sense. If Paul Mescal were cast he would be following the same script and screenplay as Keoghan. The performance would probably be very different though. I don’t think Mescal would have been a proper fit in 2023. Just 2/3 years ago he still had a baby face and would be great but he’s aged a lot in the face now. He wouldn’t look like a young college student.

Also, Mescal is too cute to ever be an outcast and bullied like Oliver is. Barry was cast perfectly.

[bold]”Saltburn”- I’ve already watched it 3 times! PS video of the opening scene posted[/bold]

Good morning gentlemen. Yesterday I stated that my partner wanted to go watch this and I would accompany him, and I did. I did not have time to sign on and give my own personal opinions, but i will now.

Personally, I enjoyed the film very much, up to the final 30 minutes or so, that is. The film is beautiful to look at, with beautiful cinematography, a beautiful setting and wonderful acting from its cast. I also enjoyed the script for the most part. My issue was the twist in what Oliver’s motive was in the end. When the film feels like a fatal attraction plot with young rich British people and has a sorta gay twist, it is amazing. After Felix is dead the film rushes and goes from bright, charming and engaging to dull and sloppy and rushed. I did not enjoy the final 20-30 minutes of this film, but liked everything prior to it very very much.

If Emerald kept the film as a young and very rich version Talented Mr. Ripley meets Cruel Intentions meets The Servant, it would be received much better than making Saltburn be the ultimate motive in the end.

However, even if you don’t enjoy the final moments of the film, it’s still worth a watch because it is still an entertaining film with some amazing things going for it.

The lead was terrific but I do agree he played up the villain arc pretty early on, so when Felix is found dead you aren’t thinking “who did this?” but instead you’re just waiting for everyone in the film to realize it’s him.

Rosamund Pike was a delight! She had me in stitches. I had no idea she had such sharp comedic timing! I laughed so much at her line about being a lesbian for a little while in her youth but everything was too wet for her, men are lovely and dry.

Jacob Elordi is a sight to be seen. I’ve only ever seen him in Priscilla prior to this but will keep an eye out for him. What a lovely young man. Very handsome, very talented, and he is the heart of the film. Once Felix is gone, the film suffers. I do know he is in Euphoria but have not watched it because [more]

[bold]”Saltburn”- I’ve already watched it 3 times! PS video of the opening scene posted[/bold]

R88 I normally wouldn’t answer that question but it’s actually a good side for a soft penis.

[bold]”Saltburn”- I’ve already watched it 3 times! PS video of the opening scene posted[/bold]

Oh, as an eldergay who was in his 20s in the 70s into 80s, I can tell you that Mr. Elordi is definitely high on something at r99. Been there done that myself. I know it when I see it

[bold]”Saltburn”- I’ve already watched it 3 times! PS video of the opening scene posted[/bold]

I believe it comes to VOD next Friday.

R287 none of that makes sense. Because someone mentioned Paul Mescal means they are the troll? You post about him all the time. ☕️

You’re a joke. And this is all being saved. You’re now stalking and harassing someone else

[quote] [R270] then dont comment on it. It’s very easy to not comment.

Apparently not THAT easy...

VintageBeefcake also addresses people in his posts the same way Davida does

Eg multiple posters identified and responded to in separate paragraphs in the same post.

[quote] The same reason I changed timelines is the reason post different photos. To throw off the lunatic who is very clearly obsessed with me but who also claims to not be. I’ve only ever seen psychos behave this way. I’m very happy I was warned months ago to play it smart. And he is upset.

VB, no one here is obsessed with you. Your posts are occasionally entertaining, none moreso than this one. Your continued claim that you are being stalked at an anonymous message board is...well, it reeks of a kind of narcissistic delusion that has become much too common. If you think you are being stalked here you should take a break from Datalounge.

This is the famous Davida Rochelle post. The sentence structure is the same as VintageBeefcake.

[bold]Bellagio horror, as new shoes wrecked by strangers’ poop. Now requesting advice from the DL. Bellagio in Vegas is supposedly the top-rated hotel/casino for customer service. What would you do if the following happened to you? Attending an event at Bellagio hotel/casino, I needed to use the Women's Restroom. In the middle of using the toilet, I saw a huge flood of DARK BROWN FECES flooding my stall from the one next to it. My brand new Satin high heels and large cloth bag were immediately covered in the filthy poop. I finished as quickly as possible and went to the bathroom sink. The smell was horrific. I told the housekeeper what had happened. She yelled at me in front of the other patrons that I should have inspected the stall before using it. She didn't care that the flood of shit happened after I was using the toilet. She ignored my request for help in cleaning my shoes and cloth bag. I had to stand in my stocking feet on the restroom floor, and clean someone else's feces off of my things. I had no choice but to wear the shoes out of the restroom, and carry the cloth bag. I then called for a shift manager. After a long wait, he finally showed up. His response? He didn't see the incident so there was nothing that he could do to help me. I would be happy to take a lie detector test to prove that what I'm saying is 100% true and accurate.[/bold]

R291 R292 all being saved. Enjoy this case when it comes to you.

[quote] [R275] still trying to catch up to the reality of the thread…

Apparently I haven't. The OP asked how old we were and what was the year we visited NYC for the first time, and I answered.

Things took a turn in this thread ;)

I guess I don't care if Vintage is Davida. I've been on DL since 2004 and the only trolls I hate are the ones like Defacto - whose one and only goal was to reek havoc on the site. If no one would have told me Vintage was Davida (let's just say he is), I would have had no idea. Which means that the goal of VintageBeefcake is not to reek havoc, but instead to start threads with handsome men from bygone eras.

VintageBeefcake's threads are generally pretty cool. So if it's just a "troll" version of whoever s/he really is? Who cares? Even this thread was a great idea for a thread. With or without the photo mishap.

The guy on the right is hot as fuck.

I am hurt! That's me at R36, walking Perry Ellis Spring Summer 1987 in glamorous NEW YORK CITY! And none of you fellow dried up contemporaries tried to guess which semi-famous male model is MOI!

[quote] I've been on DL since 2004 and the only trolls I hate are the ones like Defacto - whose one and only goal was to reek havoc on the site.

WREAK r297.

What do you think the person who is attacking everyone, telling them they are liars, and accusing them of things they haven’t done is doing?

You think that person, who does the same thing in threads about Jacob Elordi and Paul Mescal, or show business, just HAPPENED to wander into this thread about reminiscences of 1984 New York, just happened to see someone point out that the photo was not from the eighties, and become so enraged and so passionate about proving a photo that they have no connection to is from the decade VB said it was? You really think that, don’t you?

Davida Rochelle was banned from this site not because she posted a lot or posted too much about celebrities. Davida was banned because she has profound antisocial tendencies. She dogpiles - using sockpuppets - on people who disagree with her about anything. She may have also threatened to sue the webmaster. But you think that it’s okay, because she reminds you of erections you had five decades ago.

I was just 21, debuting my musical act in August 1965 at the Copa nightclub! I forget my 2 backup singers’ names but recall they said or sang a couple of lines in some of my numbers. Their silhouetted whisperings helped me to shine.

r298. A stranger found a photo of another stranger with no connection to them and posted it here without the person’s permission, pretending to be that person and now you have an erection. How proud you must be.

I had plaid shirts with snaps instead of buttons. Worn with white painter's pants, of course.

And for someting outré a pink seersucker jacket.

Just for some context, the retard with no job and unemployable wasn’t even alive in the 80s. So the irony of him going on and on about it is funny. The way people who were actually there keep saying some people did dress like that but someone NOT THERE thinks he knows more than us.

Meanwhile he has no education or job. Maybe he should put all that energy into educating himself.

[quote] he has no education or job.

How do you even know that? You keep insisting on it with no evidence for it and it's reading to me like projection and that you're the one with no education or job.

That’s Davida. I can show you posts from months ago where she says the same thing, over and over again. She doesn’t know how to say anything else, she has autism.

Proof? It’s all on file. “Muriel” works with lawyers when contacted. So do Reddit admins. It started there and the rest was easy. You fucked up badly when you thought you were slick.

R306 I live alone in NY. I went to college. I work. And I know you don’t. It’s pathetic that at your age you aren’t in college nor doing anything with your time. You think a college student has time to post on here the way you do? Or would even be on here in general? When I was in college I wasn’t posting on public forums like that. I was busy with school, making friends etc.

If you had a job you certainly wouldn’t be posting on here all day and night every single day. On the weekend is one thing but this is every single day. Youre posting on here at 3am on a fucking Thursday and 3pm also. You spent over 2 days posting bullshit attacking a poster meanwhile you weren’t even alive during that period to know what you’re talking about, arguing with people who were. An educated person doesn’t do that. Nor do they have time to….

R398 happy fapping

This thread is speeding in a blur toward Legendary Thread-status. I do hope VBC will continue posting on DL, as I always enjoy his threads.

[Before anyone accuses me of being unemployed, I'm posting this during my lunch break at work.]

But your “work” is living off your parents, in the basement!

R311 no. But you don’t work. Not Davida but I know the truth about you. You’re a joke.

I’m watching you, and saving your posts. So you know…

R313 lmao go ahead. Difference is one of us committed a serious crime by making up a serious lie while the other didn’t. You’ve also stalked and harassed at least 2 different people now. This thread provides soooo much.

I’ll bite: what crime. Do tell!

Only on DL can a thread about some hottie from 1984, descend into a 300 + flame war

Poor R314Davida is projecting again…like vomit

R317 no college. No form of skills. No job. You post on these sites all day every day. You have NOTHING of your own. It’s hysterical.

R316

1994!

And you’re still here!

Well, I just skipped here from R169, because this was a nice thread for a while.

I first went to NYC in 1966 at 11 with my parents. We saw Angela Lansbury in 'Mame' on Broadway, 3of the Rolling Stones wandering the streets early one morning, and I especially remember hearing my first steel drum band on the street.

I knew I wanted to live there, and I moved to Manhattan in 1979. I even got to live in beautiful London Terrace for the latter 24 years of the time I lived there.

My partner and I left in 2014...it took that long to have fallen out of love with the place. I blame the rise of smartphones and the post Great Recession economy.

Too bad. London Terrace is better than ever.

1992, 23.

My party stayed with a friend in the West side, near Lincoln Center. As a small town lass, I marvelled at the sheer number of apartment windows right next door, most curtains wide open for the world to see the goings on of daily life. Saw a man just swanning around nude. Okay, and why not?

We saw Faith Prince and Nathan Lane in Guys and Dolls on Broadway. Saw Phantom of the Opera in its heyday (was not my fave, TBH).

Wandered into a Broadway gift shop and vibed with two nice young men blasting Connie Francis. Felt like I was among kindred spirits.

Experienced so many beautiful moments. A friend of a friend was studying music. His school's music department and friends chartered (or just took and kind of took over) a Circle Line evening cruise. This ride turned into a Fame-like impromptu performance where people turned the boat into one giant percussion instrument, drumming out rhythms on the banisters, seats, walls, etc. All under a starry sky, city lights glistening on the water.

NYC was a lot cleaner than I expected. However, there was a garbage strike at the time, so tall piles of garbage bags on the sidewalks. Rented a car to go upstate (beautiful, bucolic). Coming back, took a wrong turn and ended up in Harlem where a junked car on the street was just casually on FIRE. No sirens, people going about their business. Like nothing I ever saw in my little burg.

The people I encountered were so outgoing and personable. I heard a lot about New Yorker's "attitude." But I didn't find them cold at all-- quite the opposite. Just direct, and with no time to waste. I loved NYC so much in that vist. Have returned since then, but the first time was magic.

R322, I don't miss New York, but I do miss my London Terrace home. I was in 410.

I always think of Luis Martinez. Is he still there? If so, tell him Ed and Dwight say hello.

R323, until the ubiquity of smartphones, I always found most New Yorkers to be the nicest people you might want to know.

1973. I saw the full Easter extravaganza at Radio City Music Hall with the kids dressed as choirboys walking up into the loges with lighted 'candles'. Saw a movie there, too. Went with a couple friends on the bus, I was 15.

*From Portsmouth, NH.

R326, one of my favorite American towns.

R327 Just took the bus from there, didn't live there.

Grans Sichuan is gone. Gristedes lives on—it was actually “renovated.” Pepe Giallo move down the avenue next to Guardian Angel.