Why is the T so delusional?

Oh would you just fuck off, you sad obsessive-compulsive fucking lunatics.

I'll take your T, OP.

Because trannies entire existence is based upon a lie

Particularly the Questioning and the Asexual - how the fuck did these people ever advance any rights with their existence?

I'm questioning and I'm NOT HAVING SEX!

The word Brave doesn't seem complete enough to describe such strength.

Because they suffer from.all types of mental illnesses, OP.

[quote]Why is the T so delusional?

Mostly because they have penises and think they're women, for starters. These are very damaged people with major dysphoria and narcissism!

They need to create their own culture, language and space. I’m tired of being colonised.

[QUOTE]I love our T brothers and sisters but no, they haven’t done the heavy lifting and had to carry LGB on their backs. But I always hear them saying things like that.

It doesn't help that they are being enabled by 'woke' progressives, who currently have a lot of pull on the Left and who perpetuate these myths via social media and the arts (film, TV, theater, literature, etc.)

I think most of the ts are relatively young. A lot of the generation gap today is the bs people are told to think by the pop psychology articles that are published everywhere. They youngsters thinks it’s real life when in actuality their 12 cbt sessions are over

This is common - the reverse memes you see that Republicans put out about what Dems do when it's them who do it.

The T's are tired of being told LGB community supported them the past 50 years so they're turning it around.

Look at what they've tried to do with Stonewall and gay rights (!). A few years ago, it was all about the 'magic brick' and gays wouldn't have any rights today with them and how they STARTED gay rights.

Completely ignorant of the decades of gay rights work PRIOR to that night and that there are scant articles about trans people at all during that time, let alone leading gay rights.

I'm questioning and I'm NOT HAVING SEX! R4

Does that mean the "I" in the rainbow alphabet represents incels?

I think it's hateful that they chose to depict Atlas as a cis gender male.

What? A trans Atlas man can't hold up earth? Or a genderfluid nonbinary Atlas?

WHEN WILL IT END?

R11 many T are just rebranded incels. As a guy you can't demand girls touching you, but as a T you can because otherwise you can claim oppression.

You cannot discuss trans on DL without the thread being wiped off the face of the earth. I wish DL would tell us why. Yes discussions become very heated but what is wrong with that? This forum should be for the entire LGB community and if we express anger we are silenced. Why?

“But I always hear them saying things like that”

Always? Like every day?

OP other than being butt fucked what have you done as far as any heavy lifting? I’d love to hear stories of what you have done to secure anyone rights or do any lifting at all.

In the context of my nearly five and a half decades on earth, I’ve met only two trans people. I worked closely with one. She was a makeup artist, and lovely. The other was a distant colleague.

I’ve worked in gay friendly spaces my whole life, so one would expect there to be a lot more of them around, and they simply… aren’t. I don’t understand why this is suddenly everywhere. There are simply not enough of them for this subject to matter. It’s just not important. They are a tiny TINY minority. They have zero real impact on the world. They have no real power, and no political capital. They do not affect my, or anyone else’s world that I know. Their claims about starting and running the gay movement are easily ignorable because it’s simply not true.

I’m confused as to why people even spend time discussing it. Just, let them be. Who cares?

Where do you live r16?

Because where I live these trans cockroaches are thick on the ground. Every time I open up Sniffies, a vagina with cut off tits is begging gay men fuck her. There’s vaginas in the men’s locker room at the LA Fitness gym. There’s vagina in the bath houses.

Political capital, pure and simply that r16. Highlighting minorities is red meat to a certain breed of person, and being gay does not preclude one being that type of person, for sadly being thick as mince is a universal trait. Just look at r17 as a prime example.

Why do so many threads critical of the trans community get grayed-out??

R18 lusts after delusion straight cunts who think that lopping off their tits will exclude them from society’s expectations about women.

Oh dear R20.

I've posted a link for you, all the best with your battle xx,

I’ve lived in NYC since the early nineties, went to the highest ranked arts school, and have worked in theaters and the arts professionally in NY and internationally for over four decades R17. I should be surrounded by trans people. I’m not.

I’m well aware it’s used as a political issue R18. That doesn’t preclude that 99.9% of the population never encounters trans people in any meaningful way.

R22 was me, btw.

It's truly a marvel that every hay and lesbian organization has been fully redirected to pure dedication to the Trans Agenda by so few transies that many posters here can barely vouch for their existence!

I live in NYC and have my whole adult life and am acquainted with more They/Thems, non-binaries and trans people than I can count. Most of them are troubled, highly ideological kooks who in large part seem "along for the ride".

I knew a trans woman once. She claimed to be a lesbian. I found that so strange. Is it not a tad over-complicated to be a man who is sexually attracted to women, and go through surgery to become a woman and end up a lesbian?

I mean, at the time I couldn’t walk down the street holding my girlfriend’s hand without men shrieking hateful things at us.

But years later I saw this person at a campout and was impressed at how much bullshit she had dropped. Gone were the 2-inch nails and the 4-inch heels and the bouffant hair that would’ve disgraced a drag queen. She looked like an actual, real-life dyke!

And I still don’t understand any of it.

*gay and lesbian, I meant.

I get allergic smelling hay.

I don't have to understand this, that or the other thing about Trans. What I do have to do is respect their lives, respect their personal choices and not behave like a bigoted dick towards them. Being a decent person isn't fucking rocket science.

Your threads get greyed out and removed because you're acting like bigoted cunts towards Trans. The DL doesn't like it and neither does Muriel.

Trans people have the right to live their own lives, but normal sane people should not be compelled to support trannies delusional insanity.

No vaginas in men’s spaces and no dicks in women’s spaces. How hard is that for you to comprehend R27?

That's what I always say, R28: no swingin' dicks in the ladies locker room.

If it's gone, you're fine. But don't keep that thing and tell me you're a woman.

R28 and R29, this is why the DL and Muriel don't want your endless bullshit on the DL. We've been telling you to get the fuck out for years. How difficult is that to understand?

Tranny alert ^

No, honey. ^^^

[quote]Your threads get greyed out and removed because you're acting like bigoted cunts towards Trans.

What's so bigoted?

[quote]The DL doesn't like it and neither does Muriel.

Did we take a vote about what Datalounge likes? I must have missed that.

It's so annoying when one person claims to speak for the whole site. It's probably the same one every time, too.

Your hatred means nothing to us r32

Your thoughts and your life means nothing.

FTMs are fine. MTFs are usually self-hating homophobes.

Just leave them alone. Ignore them, get on with your lives. You do have lives, do you not?

Find something to do that doesn't involve you judging and trying to control other people's lives or children or choices. Tend to your own garden and let people be. They're going to do whatever they choose to do regardless of your opinion about it. You have no power over what your fellow human beings do.

Take up knitting or dog rescuing or something useful.

When creepy men with big dripping cocks are the women’s locker room with your teenage boys,, the time to put your head in the sand and take up knitting is past r36

[quote]They're going to do whatever they choose to do regardless of your opinion about it.

Believe me, we've noticed.

Wrong, r3, it's none of your business and your extreme and reactionary paranoia doesn't change a thing.

Leave other people alone. You're not Joan of bloody Arc, you're not on crusade, you're just lonely and bored and you've latched on to this faux issue. All that's actually happening is that you're being used and manipulated by Trumptards and other right wing political opportunists. After the election they'll drop you like used kleenex.

I suppose a season of attention-seeking is the best you're ever going to get. Carry on.

R39 is a perfect of example of a tranny’s hysterical screed

You need to calm down r38

Take a Pamprin and rub Vagisil into that frightening place you dare not name

I've read R37 wonderful prose 3 times, and I'm none the wiser as to what that word salad was supposed to inform me of. Then of course, as I indicated previously, thick as mince and only able to regurgitate the same old tired takes, just like R40.

I assume R37 meant to say teenage girls.

Oops, my bad

I was meaning to write teenage “girls”, but I automatically wrote boys because I’m a gay man.

Also, no tranny with a vagina would dare to go into a locker room filled with teenage boys. It is almost as if the sexes behave differently. If a straight man wears a dress, expect to him to act like a straight man.

Intelligence not your first language then eh R43?

Your desperate need for attention is nothing short of pathetic, OP.

[quote]Intelligence not your first language then eh [R43]?

It was one fucking word, cool it.

[quote]OP other than being butt fucked what have you done

This is pretty homophobic talk for a gay website.

R16 I appreciate your comment, but you clearly don't live in a gay mecca. I live in West Hollywood. Pre 2015 or so? I knew exactly one trans person: I lovely waitress at a local cafe. She was an "old school" trans or a women trapped in a man's body.

Now? I see trans people all the time out and about. And I personally know six who identify as trans: Two younger family members, two friends, an ex co-worker and a current co-worker.

Not one of the trans I know are "old school" trans. I assume most I pass on the street are also not of the "old school" type. (This might be why the sudden proliferation?)

Tl;dr: There are now a lot more people who identify as trans as there was previously.

Therein lies one of the major problems with the anti-Trans Trump cult, R47. They're homophobic. They try like hell to hide it but it always comes out. It's who they are. The elderly ladies are anti-men - ALL men. They have nothing but contempt for any man, gay, straight, bi, whatever. Man = Bad and scary at all times. This is a men's website, I don't know what the fuck they are doing here except that the normal lesbians and straight women won't allow them to talk their bigoted, hate-filled trash on their sites.

It seems as though Muriel is vaporizing their awful threads, so that's nice. Regular members of the DL usually grey them out first. They're thick as planks, how many different ways do they have to be told they're not wanted on the DL before they catch on?

Can you define what an "old school trans" is, R48? As a social scientist, I am curious about your view.

Thanks.

[quote]Therein lies one of the major problems with the anti-Trans Trump cult, [R47]. They're homophobic.

Nice try but the homophobe at R15 is one of yours:

[quote]OP other than being butt fucked what have you done as far as any heavy lifting? I’d love to hear stories of what you have done to secure anyone rights or do any lifting at all.

R16 I told you in posts below that I live In NYC. In a gayborhood. We have tens of thousands more gay people than West Hollywood.

I meant R48 for the above.

Oh, sorry R52! I missed that in your post. Well, then I guess we just have vastly different experiences about the number of trans people in and around our lives.

R50 sure: Old school trans (just a placeholder term on my part) is someone who truly feels they are trapped or born in the wrong body.

"New school trans" would be more of the nonbinary variety, I guess. Or someone who is experimenting with trans. Both are perfectly acceptable, of course.

But It's not so much that they feel they are born in the wrong body, it's that they don't want to be limited by the gender binary (this is a direct quote from my bio female cousin who now identifies as a "soft butch trans masculine boy" who's on testosterone).

I am not a social scientist. But I do think there's value in distinguishing between trans who are "born in the wrong body" and who are not. The former feels rare. The latter feels more commonplace. And I think that distinction is important.

NO one has ever been "born in the wrong body" !

You are born, period. That glib nuttiness makes no sense on any level and is scientifically laughable.

Deep, crushing, gay self-loathing is what causes all of this "trans" nonsense!

So for all the trans supporters on here - we're supposed to just laugh off the image posted in the pic.

Here's the thing - there is a significant percentage of trans who do not want to just live their lives. They want the microphone, they want the attention, they want words (pregnant person) to change, they want to compete unfairly against women in sports, they want to be able to use women's locker rooms with full dick and balls.

Then there are the attacks on the gay and lesbian community and resources, trying to bend everything to trans issues.

Living their lives? Please.

It's difficult to politely live and let live if some individuals dictate what pronouns you must use. And this need to be "affirmed" by others contradicts minding your business and just living your life. Why are trans people so dependent on affirmation from others? If there's no one around to affirm your identity do you still have one?

Oh OP? My dude?

Do you think your friends and family have figured out your obsession? You think they DON'T suspect you jack it to trans porn on the reg?

You know who else didn't do "the heavy lifting?" Gen Z gays - but guess what - they reap the bennies of those who came before and worked. That's how civil rights work. MANY GET THE BENEFITS FROM THE WORK OF A FEW.

No need to bash other groups to prove our "superiority" or something. That seems, well, bigoted.

[quote]need to be "affirmed" by others contradicts minding your business and just living your life. Why are trans people so dependent on affirmation from others?

I assume you're a man, R57. So you'd be fine with people referring to you as Ma'am and Ms? You'd have no problem with that because you don't want to "contradict minding your business and living your life" nor are you "dependent on affirmation from others," right?

I bet you'd grow tired of people calling you "Ma'am" and "Ms" and "Lady." Just an opinion, or maybe you'd like it.

Yeah, R56

Except almost everything you listed as problems are EXACT THINGS SAID AGAINST GAY PEOPLE in the past (and even now)

Many of us recognize the same bigotry and attack-points used against us and we're not gonna buy it being used against another marginalized group. So just fuck right off.

Here's a previous thread on it:

Agreed, R16

I live in a major college town - I'd say pretty liberal - and I see and deal with college age people all-the-time

I rarely see anyone I think is trans. You'd think a liberal major college area would have plenty if you go by what these bigoted conservatives keep screeching about.... but NOPE.

Sure, I see the occasional person I wonder but we're talking about a very small minority of people here - yet bigoted conservatives act like there's some huge population "infiltrating" everywhere. [bold]There's just not.[/bold]

They always do this. They invent fear of a minority group to rile up the bigots. They lost their "war" on gay marriage and scrambled to find another way to target gays - they stumbled upon the trans and saw it as a backdoor to start re-targeting gays. Because we are a much bigger population so we are an "actual" problem. They never stopped coming after us, they just changed tactics.

retarded responses and retarded reasoning R58 R59 R60 try again

[quote]Why are trans people so dependent on affirmation from others?

Good question. You can't live your life relying on other people to make you happy.

And right on schedule, here comes R58, grasping for validation, claiming OP is a "chaser."

From one post you can tell I'm a man R59 ?

At least you got that one thing right. Therefore, referring to me as Ma'am or Ms would just expose you as being deliberately contrarian.

But that's typical of dysphoric logic. Turning "affirmation" into an issue that must affect everybody.

It doesn't.

[quote] Sure, I see the occasional person I wonder but we're talking about a very small minority of people here - yet bigoted conservatives act like there's some huge population "infiltrating" everywhere. There's just not.

You have that wrong. The concern is that such a very small minority of people have such an outsized influence to effect such things as sports and restroom policy. The rational view is that there’s no reason to accommodate such a “very small minority of people”.

[quote] From one post you can tell I'm a man [R59] ?

I too would assume you are a man based on your writing at r57. You write calmly and rationally and don’t use all caps for some words.

[QUOTE]I assume you're a man, [R57]. So you'd be fine with people referring to you as Ma'am and Ms? You'd have no problem with that because you don't want to "contradict minding your business and living your life" nor are you "dependent on affirmation from others," right? I bet you'd grow tired of people calling you "Ma'am" and "Ms" and "Lady." Just an opinion, or maybe you'd like it.

But why would anyone do that if the person is a man? That "argument" makes no sense whatsoever. Surely by the same logic you'd been so keen to apply, calling R57 "Ma'am" or 'Ms" would suggest you're in favour of an egregious hate crime taking place. Mis-gendering is literal violence don't forget.

If the MTF can pass, s/he'll get called "she" and "Ma'am."

If s/he'd not getting addressed in a way that feels appropriate to his or her chosen gender (and I do mean "chosen"), maybe that person shouldn't have tried to transition in the first place.

[quote]Oh OP? My dude?

You try so hard.

Here we go again with the insane trans statements - "Mis-gendering is literal violence don't forget."

Violence definition: behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

There is no physical force, therefore it is NOT violence. Stop trying to change the definitions of everything and making things overdramatic.

Statements like this is why people don't buy your bullshit - because it is bullshit and performative and childish.

I was being sarcastic you sanctimonious prick R70

Of course mis-gendering isn't literal violence, it's at worst a minor social faux-pas.

Gawd, I finally saw the bizarrely overrated "Barbie" the other night, and about two minutes in I thought, "How soon will they show a fat Barbie and a wheelchair Barbie, and about two minutes later, right on cue, there they were.

Naturally there is also a spookable Tranny Barbie, who I imagine not one straight viewer noticed, but I'm like "She's a man!" and they kept cutting to him. Such nonsense!

I have great respect for those who transition. At least they mean it.

You mean get their dicks cut off r73?

R73

The positive mental health attitudes of those men wanting to cut their own dicks off.

It’s not a topic or area of research with a lot of peer reviewed articles and papers.

It should be a rule that to call yourself trans, you HAVE to cut your dick and balls off.

r58 Please tell me you did not mean to type "reap the bennies." Oh dear lord. I don't even know which "side" you're on, but 'reap the bennies' invalidates every single thing you typed.

r76 - that's the thing though. A lot of them don't do it because the surgeries are so imperfect and you can lose sensation as well as having to dilate every day so that the wound doesn't close. Artificial penises aren't any better.

It's almost as if you cannot change your genitalia and transition from one sex to the other - and THIS IS FUCKING PROOF. But they dismiss it as not being important.

For them, it's about - does it have tits or does it not? That's the only thing that separates the sexes. Bullshit.

[quote]From one post you can tell I'm a man

No you dipshit, R64 Datalounge is geared towards GAY MEN. That's why I assumed you were a man. That's the audience for this site, FFS.

But here's a couple questions, are you gay? Do your friends and family know you lurk on gay websites?

R78 Then there's the activists who claim genitals are irrelevant to your gender identity or sexuality. Hence, lesbians must accept that some women have a penis and gay men must accept some men have a vagina. If you insist "I'm a gay man, I love cock!" you'll be dismissed as having a "genital fetish".

If this is true why does "bottom" surgery exist?

Their bodies, their choice (now where have I heard that before?). Trans can do whatever they want and there's not a goddamn thing you can or should do about it. Trans are free to be whomever they want to be and good luck to them.

R80, you expect the trans loonies to make logical sense?

So, r81, you mean male people in women's sports and lesbians being banned from having lesbian organisations unless they include penised people?

Their bodies, their choice, R83. Lesbian organizations still exist, women in sports still exist. Your reactionary and paranoid religious fundamentalist Trumpism doesn't control these people's entire lives. Who the fuck are you? Nobody. Leave the Trans alone to live their lives just like anybody else.

Get a hobby or a real career. Adopt a dog. Take up watercolors or charity work. Your feelings are not important. Do something useful or decorative instead being a modern day Gladys Kravitz. Stop picking on other people simply because you have nothing else going on in your life.