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Homeless found living in underground California caves, highlights ongoing housing crisis

California caves dug out by people experiencing homelessness has the community and city officials concerned for the safety of those living underneath the Tuolumne River. The discovery also brings to the forefront the state's ongoing crisis with unhoused people.

The Modesto Police Department, the Tuolumne River Trust, and Operation 9-2-99, a volunteer river clean-up organization, worked together to clean up approximately 7,600 pounds of trash from the caves and the surrounding areas, according to local outlet CBS13.

The caves, which are located about 20 feet below street level, can be entered by a makeshift staircase that was built onto the hillside.

Residents who live in the area have expressed concerns over the safety of the unhoused people living in the cave that should be considered unfit for anyone to live in.

"If one of these were to collapse, it would be devastating," said Tracy Rojas, a homeowner that lives near the caves, told CBS13 in an interview. "This whole thing would come down and go into the water."

Rojas said the caves were fully furnished and included bedding, belongings, food, drugs, and items on a makeshift mantel and weapons.

"You can see the hooks on the wall where they had bottles and stuff hanging down," Rojas told CBS13. "I think there needs to be more emphasis on the homeless. They are at the point where you can see they are desperate."

With many natural phenomena’s occurring along the Tuolumne River bank, like rising water levels and erosion, the belongings of the unhoused are being washed away into the river. Another issue that is causing a concern is contamination.

"It's a hazard for not only the people who are living in there but the people who are walking up there," Rojas told CBS13.

The caves may be cleared for now, but the neighborhood near the river is feeling no real sense of peace in this problem.

"It's a safety hazard for them and the community," Rojas told CBS13.

Chris Guptill, a coordinator for Operation 9-2-99, told CBS13 that that filling in the caves likely wouldn't work. Guptill believes that the unhoused community would carve out new caves.

“We really don't have a known solution on how to deal with it," Guptill said.

California has the highest rate of people experiencing homelessness in the United States. Accounting for nearly 30% of the population, California has approximately 162,000 unhoused individuals, according to the World Population Review.

Across Los Angeles County, more people without shelter are living in low-lying areas after being pushed out of neighborhoods when sanitation workers began doing more frequent homeless sweeps in January of last year, advocates told USA TODAY back in August 2023 when Hurricane Hilary hit Southern California. The sweeps, described by Soleil Ngo of West Adams Mutual Aid as "very whack-a-mole," have prompted people to live in hard-to-access places in order to avoid being swept out again.

Increasingly, people are living in “hidden spaces” or “hidden up under” topography in order to be “someplace that's out of the way," Ngo said. Orendorff said more people are living in their tents along river beds, under bridges, in tunnels, and underground.

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by Anonymousreply 98February 6, 2024 6:48 PM

HAMAS IS BUILDING TUNNELS IN CALIFORNIA!

by Anonymousreply 1January 28, 2024 5:04 AM

[quote] natural phenomena’s occurring

JFC.

by Anonymousreply 2January 28, 2024 5:12 AM

You want to get them out of there, Americans. You're all going to need those caves if things go wrong in November.

by Anonymousreply 3January 28, 2024 5:19 AM

Gavin Newsom gives zero fucks about the homeless problem in California.

How does he think that he can be President, if he can't even solve the problem of finding affordable homes for everyone in his state?

by Anonymousreply 4January 28, 2024 5:26 AM

[quote]Accounting for nearly 30% of the population, California has approximately 162,000 unhoused individuals, according to the World Population Review.

This is a really stupidly worded statement. The only question is whether it is intended to be as misleading as it is.

For those who don't want to do the math, the numbers cited above means that less than one half of one percent (0.41%) of California's population is currently homeless.

by Anonymousreply 5January 28, 2024 5:38 AM

I'm trying to picture these caves beneath a river and I'm not getting it.

by Anonymousreply 6January 28, 2024 5:40 AM

The photos don't really give the best illustration of the caves R6, but here are a couple of photos from the NY Post.

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by Anonymousreply 7January 28, 2024 5:48 AM

Here's a good photo.

It shows the danger of living in these caves, because during heavy rains they can easily be flooded.

Especially since the caves lie along the river bank.

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by Anonymousreply 8January 28, 2024 5:50 AM

I agree, r5, and did a double take myself.

[quote] California has the highest rate of people experiencing homelessness in the United States. Accounting for nearly 30% of the population, California has approximately 162,000 unhoused individuals, according to the World Population Review.

I think what this semi-illiterate author meant was that California’s homeless are nearly 30% of the nation’s homeless.

by Anonymousreply 9January 28, 2024 5:57 AM

[quote] people experiencing homelessness

I guess this is the latest way to avoid calling people "homeless."

by Anonymousreply 10January 28, 2024 5:59 AM

I live on Vancouver Island, and the homeless population here and in Greater Vancouver is insane [italic]because of our temperate climate[/italic].

People gravitate west because there’s less chance here of freezing to death, and the federal government here seems to pretend that’s not the case and doesn’t provide additional funding (because housing and health care is on the provinces!). I’m suspecting the States might have the same issue?

by Anonymousreply 11January 28, 2024 6:06 AM

So we are having a huge homeless crisis in California. We can't even take care of our own. Can someone please, please explain to me why migrants on the southern border are just being allowed into the country? And now, in California we are giving them free healthcare and, in some cases I have read, hotel rooms to stay in. What about our fellow Americans? What about our homeless vets? I will never understand this. I don't want to go to extremes like Trump but will never ever understand why Biden isn't tougher on this issue. We still want immigration, we are a nation of immigrants but the surge of immigration is not something we can handle at the present time under the present system. I know - I'm racist for saying this. I will get dragged. I don't understand even those comments. I am not saying shut down the borders! I am saying control them. Like we do when people come through our airports? We don't just let people walk in there? I don't get this.

by Anonymousreply 12January 28, 2024 6:07 AM

There are lots of homeless people but apparently there really is no shortage of housing in California, despite the fact that developers keep pushing this as fact so they can pave over and redevelop every square inch of the state. We are losing population and adding more housing.

There certainly is a problem with AFFORDABLE housing, but that is not a justification for building more overpriced apartments and condos.

by Anonymousreply 13January 28, 2024 6:10 AM

[quote]Can someone please, please explain to me why migrants on the southern border are just being allowed into the country?

Stop being so fucking stupid and hysterical and get ahold of yourself.

The answer to your question is, these migrants are claiming asylum when they reach the border. That is a legal claim and unfortunately, it takes time to adjudicate those claims. We don't send them back to where they came from because they are asylum seekers, until they are not.

And stop pretending like you care about homeless vets. You don't give two shits about homeless veterans and we all know and understand that.

by Anonymousreply 14January 28, 2024 6:17 AM

California has more pressing issues to deal with:

"A New California Bill Aims to Ensure Incarcerated People of Color Have Access to Suitable Hair Products"

Story by Marci Robin

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by Anonymousreply 15January 28, 2024 6:26 AM

[quote] California’s homeless are nearly 30% of the nation’s homeless.

California accounts for 12% of the entire American population, so oh dear, we ain't doing too well out west here are we?

by Anonymousreply 16January 28, 2024 6:29 AM

R7, R8, those caves look like part of a bigger flood-plain, where homeless hitch tents alongside a dry riverbed. They're probably dry 350 days out of the year.

But on the 15 days when it actually pours, these become death-traps.

by Anonymousreply 17January 28, 2024 6:54 AM

R4 Gavin should ship them to sparsely populated red states like Abbott ships immigrants to blue states.

by Anonymousreply 18January 28, 2024 7:00 AM

[quote]We can't even take care of our own. Can someone please, please explain to me why migrants on the southern border are just being allowed into the country? And now, in California we are giving them free healthcare and, in some cases I have read, hotel rooms to stay in.

Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout. You are conflating two different issues secret MAGA.

The majority of people crossing the boarder are not suffering from mental illness, drug addiction and refusing to go to shelters. That's the homeless problem. All of those people coming over the boarder are looking for jobs. In CA almost every maid, gardener, fast food working, line cook, farm worker, sweatshops and every other shit job is done by Mexicans. But their employers gladly look the other way because they do the jobs for cash and they don't pay taxes for them. Because of that their "employer" certainly does not offer health care coverage. What are those people supposed to do on less than minimum wage if they get in a car accident or Covid? Just die in the street, leave the bodies to rot in the sun? Pass on Covid because they cant afford to go to a doctor?

The homeless problem including vets was here long before there was a boarder problem. Show me a city in the US that solved this problem without just shipping them out to another city. What's your solution for people who are mentally ill, drug addicted, and refuse to go to a shelter?

by Anonymousreply 19January 28, 2024 7:01 AM

R18, I'm all for it. Fuck North Dakota and Wyoming. They can handle a couple of hundreds of thousands of homeless in their sparsely, under-populated states!

by Anonymousreply 20January 28, 2024 7:02 AM

R19, as a Californian in LA, I can tell you for a for a fact:

The homeless are all our native-born Americans, baby -- black, white, brown (not many Asians).

Immigrants aren't the ones panhandling off of freeway exits.

by Anonymousreply 21January 28, 2024 7:05 AM

Oh Dear! Texas has a HOMELESS PROBLEM too. How is the Gov every going to run for President?

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by Anonymousreply 22January 28, 2024 7:06 AM

r19 You used the word "boarder" instead of "border" three times in a single reply. Consider this an intervention.

by Anonymousreply 23January 28, 2024 7:07 AM

[quote]Can someone please, please explain to me why migrants on the southern border are just being allowed into the country?

They are not "just" being allowed into the country, the vast majority is turned away. I have no idea where you're getting your news from.

by Anonymousreply 24January 28, 2024 7:08 AM

When will people learn those without jobs go to big cities where, you know, JOBS are. Those cities, where there are a lot of jobs, are EXPENSIVE. If they can’t find a job, they are homeless. It’s not hard to figure this out.

by Anonymousreply 25January 28, 2024 7:09 AM

The homeless issue being equated with immigration is 100% total bullshit.

The homeless issue is 100% Made in America.

by Anonymousreply 26January 28, 2024 7:11 AM

We didn't have these homeless problems in the 50s. We just made of of them by painting their faces like clowns and put them in the circus.

In our day we called them Hobos and Tramps.

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by Anonymousreply 27January 28, 2024 7:18 AM

The vast majority of homeless have mental health and/or addiction issues. We don't take care of those things in this country, for the most part. This is inclusive of Veterans, but moreover, people with bipolar, schizophrenia, depression, drug/alcohol addiction. Mental health is not at all a priority here.

As a formerly homeless person of over 6 months in California, no one i met in the areas I hung out in were immigrants, or even a brown or black persons. They were mostly all white people with mental health and addiction issues. this was 2017, NorCal.

by Anonymousreply 28January 28, 2024 7:25 AM

California, which accounts for 12% of the population of the United States, has 28% of its homeless people—181,399. Nearly 10,000 people in California became homeless between 2022 and 2023, according to the report.

In California, 68% of homeless people are unsheltered. Other Western states, including Oregon, Nevada, Arizona and Hawaii, all have more than half of their homeless population unsheltered.

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by Anonymousreply 29January 28, 2024 7:32 AM

[quote] They were mostly all white people with mental health and addiction issues. this was 2017, NorCal.

California's homeless are disproportionately white AND black in one of the states that isn't so white-and-black.

by Anonymousreply 30January 28, 2024 7:59 AM

[quote] They were mostly all white people with mental health and addiction issues. this was 2017, NorCal.

I don't think I've ever seen an Asian or Latino immigrant begging on the streets in the same way I've seen white and black Americans.

by Anonymousreply 31January 28, 2024 8:02 AM

r30 that wasn't my experience during my homelessness for that period of time, and prior to that, actually working for the city i lived in and knew about the homeless population because of the adjacent homeless i worked close to and the department that handled the homelessness as well. Black people were somewhat rare in this area.

However, i will say that the black population in my area, on average, is not very large.

by Anonymousreply 32January 28, 2024 8:04 AM

R32, I think it's because white and black Americans are largely protestants. Their parents want to kick them out as soon as they turn 18. How sad is that?

by Anonymousreply 33January 28, 2024 8:06 AM

R32, California's homeless largely aren't able-bodied Mr. Wong or Mr. Sanchez.

They're Joe Smith, and it's heads-or-tails if he's white or black.

by Anonymousreply 34January 28, 2024 8:20 AM

Agree, r34, the vast majority of homeless in my area are white people with a sprinkling of black. Never Asian and the only Hispanic I see are not even homeless but hanging out in the Day Labor areas.

I have recently seen an Asian/Indian looking lady at the entrance of Trader Joe's. That's new though.

by Anonymousreply 35January 28, 2024 8:23 AM

R35, Asian and Latin immigrants -- or even 1st/2nd gen Asian, Latino-Americans -- have family bonds / safety nets that the whites and the blacks are missing.

by Anonymousreply 36January 28, 2024 8:25 AM

Absolutely agree r36

by Anonymousreply 37January 28, 2024 8:32 AM

R37, that's why I find it funny when posters try to blame the homeless crisis on immigrants.

Immigrants are the LEAST likely to be homeless.

U.S. homelessness is largely a white-and-black native-born problem!

by Anonymousreply 38January 28, 2024 8:34 AM

[quote] The homeless issue is 100% Made in America.

This is why I have such hostility towards real estate developers, house flippers, real estate agents, and foreign buyers.

THEY have driven real estate and rental prices to astronomical levels, and it keeps going higher, and higher, and higher, because they are seeking bigger and bigger profits.

They have created a culture where homes are no longer to live in, but a vehicle to make fast and easy cash.

Between the system of commissions and profits, real estate has become this monster that is putting homes and rentals OUT OF REACH for most Americans.

It's a system based PURELY on GREED.

And as a result, more and more Americans are becoming homeless every year.

The politicians do nothing to stop it. Instead, they encourage it.

Nothing will change, and more people will continue to become homeless, until the real estate market completely crashes to the ground.

That's the only way people will once again be able to afford a home.

We need a complete re-set. Total collapse of the real estate market.

by Anonymousreply 39January 28, 2024 8:38 AM

Agreed r38. I've lived in California most of my life, and that's what i've seen as well.

by Anonymousreply 40January 28, 2024 8:39 AM

At least they take pride in their cave dwellings.

California politicians should be completely ashamed of themselves for letting this happen.

Is there even ONE politician trying to do something about this affordable housing crisis?

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by Anonymousreply 41January 28, 2024 8:41 AM

R41, I'm voting for the next California politician who ships these people out to places like Utah and Idaho.

It's time for these red states to show just how Christian they actually are!

by Anonymousreply 42January 28, 2024 8:45 AM

r42 I'm sure you realize that shipping "these people" to another state doesn't solve the innate problem...right? Please say you understand it's not a California problem, it's a US systemic problem of not addressing mental health and addiction needs. It's a "not my problem because they don't make money, so they don't matter" problem. It's a capitalist society above all else problem.

by Anonymousreply 43January 28, 2024 8:53 AM

In some red states being homeless is illegal so it may not be a bad solution. They get shelter, 3 meals a day, security, and used library books.

by Anonymousreply 44January 28, 2024 9:04 AM

^^Good. Bye, bitch! Enjoy Ron DeSantis and Florida

by Anonymousreply 45January 28, 2024 9:09 AM

“We are just utilizing our own option for the doomsday bunkers the 1% are building”

by Anonymousreply 46January 28, 2024 9:56 AM

This is how the CHUD will originate.

by Anonymousreply 47January 28, 2024 11:07 AM

R5 and R9 just confirmed my hunch that DLers are among the only remaining literate, critical thinkers in our crumbling society. This terrifies and gratifies me at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 48January 28, 2024 11:59 AM

I was having a hard time picturing these so I found a video.

They are not "caves". The homeless have not "dug these out".

They appear to be existing concrete substructures, which have been inhabited.

Unless the homeless are tunneling caves (with what?) then fully refinishing and adding structure with poured cement that looks professional.

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by Anonymousreply 49January 28, 2024 1:21 PM

The idiots used to run the asylums. But now that we have no asylums, the idiots are running local and national "news" channels.

by Anonymousreply 50January 28, 2024 1:23 PM

I read some comment on reddit that algorithims are automating rent pricing, so because they're all tuned to compete with local landlords and property management companies the process just runs out of control and drives up prices indefinitely. I don't know if that's completely true but sounds about right. The lack of group homes and long-term cheap mental healthcare facilities I think are the other major issue besides whatever is driving rent costs to such ridiculous levels. AirBnB and foreign investment eats up a lot of market that could go to local renters too. On top of that - application fees can be enormous, something like 40 dollars per applicant which would include any co-signers. So if you are a working class person who needs to find a place in a short period of time, you could be on the hook for 40-120 or so per application in a highly contested market where you need to demonstrate 3-4x the rent in income and be ready to pay the deposit. The problem is going to get a lot worse. There's a gig app now I think like Uber or DoorDash where you can get paid to serve eviction notices.

by Anonymousreply 51January 28, 2024 1:35 PM

💀.

by Anonymousreply 52January 28, 2024 1:36 PM

Then again, from the aerial shot, some of the entrances do look like holes in the dirt banks. I quite confused about the engineering of these "caves".

by Anonymousreply 53January 28, 2024 2:10 PM

"people experiencing homelessness "

That makes it sounds like they are rich suburban folks taking an adventure vacation where they "experience" homelessness. How about we just say "homeless people"?

by Anonymousreply 54January 28, 2024 2:32 PM

Unhoused

by Anonymousreply 55January 28, 2024 4:11 PM

troglodytes

by Anonymousreply 56January 28, 2024 4:51 PM

[quote] I don't think I've ever seen an Asian or Latino immigrant begging on the streets in the same way I've seen white and black Americans.

Where do you live? In Hollywood it is a Benetton Ad of street beggars.

by Anonymousreply 57January 28, 2024 4:57 PM

[quote]This is a really stupidly worded statement. The only question is whether it is intended to be as misleading as it is.

I had to read that sentence five times to figure it out. But so much of journalism is written at that level today. Who are they hiring?

by Anonymousreply 58January 28, 2024 5:02 PM

[quote]The answer to your question is, these migrants are claiming asylum when they reach the border. That is a legal claim and unfortunately, it takes time to adjudicate those claims. We don't send them back to where they came from because they are asylum seekers, until they are not.

They can seek asylum in Mexico.

These are economic migrants.

Stop with your bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 59January 28, 2024 5:06 PM

Meet Ahjané Forbes, the author of the article

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by Anonymousreply 60January 28, 2024 5:11 PM

r54 see r10

by Anonymousreply 61January 28, 2024 5:15 PM

R61, I was just making the additional point that "experiencing homelessness" makes it sound more trivial than just "homeless". But thanks for being a pedantic dickhead.

by Anonymousreply 62January 28, 2024 5:22 PM

More caves for the people experiencing leprosy.

by Anonymousreply 63January 28, 2024 6:03 PM

Keep trollin', r12.

by Anonymousreply 64January 28, 2024 6:12 PM

We need to dedicate more resources to helping the homeless. It’s one of the many things we could easily afford if Trump hadn’t given billionaires a huge tax cut.

By and large people are homeless because of varying degrees of mental illness. They need counseling, meds, a decently safe place to live. They could also be put to work. They are an underutilized resource in the country. I’m not saying they should be preparing food or acting as security, but yes there are jobs they can do, and feel like they are valued and contributing.

Not only would this be kind and helpful to the homeless, but it would ultimately contribute to society and the economy as well.

But it will never happen — what we have is thinly disguised anarcho-capitalism and plutocracy.

by Anonymousreply 65January 28, 2024 6:25 PM

[quote] I read some comment on reddit that algorithims are automating rent pricing, so because they're all tuned to compete with local landlords and property management companies the process just runs out of control and drives up prices indefinitely.

[quote] AirBnB and foreign investment eats up a lot of market that could go to local renters too. On top of that - application fees can be enormous, something like 40 dollars per applicant which would include any co-signers. So if you are a working class person who needs to find a place in a short period of time, you could be on the hook for 40-120 or so per application in a highly contested market where you need to demonstrate 3-4x the rent in income and be ready to pay the deposit.

And this is PRECISELY why homelessness was not such a huge problem in the 1950's, 1960's, and 1970's.

None of this bullshit existed.

Anyone could find a home, or even rent a room or apartment if they needed to.

No such thing exists today.

The hoops that a person has to jump through, just to find a place to live - ANY place to live - is ridiculous.

They have no choice, but to be homeless.

I hate living in modern day America. It just fucking sucks.

by Anonymousreply 66January 28, 2024 6:26 PM

r62 You're very welcome.

by Anonymousreply 67January 28, 2024 6:33 PM

[R19] I swear to you I am NOT a secret Maga I f--ing hate Trump. I will never, ever ever vote for that man. I seriously feel he is dangerous. I am very worried about him. I will not lie, I grew up in a very conservative area so I have some conservative view points I often need to shake off. That's probably some of what you're picking up. However, being a gay man I have always voted democratic because its better for our community. That being said, I have always had a problem with our boarder. We have immigration laws on the books we are not following. It's the one issue I strongly disagree with democrats on.

I disagree re: the current homeless problem. There are many folks who lost their homes over the last twenty years who aren't drug addicts. Though there are many who are. Not everyone coming over the boarder is looking for a job. I disagree with you there. Most of them are, but some are not. Some are coming from other countries, even from the other side of the world. In CA, I agree with you, we have created this problem. Californians regularly hire cheap labor. Listen, some Americans before the Affordable Care Act, didn't have health care! It took decades for us to get it. I know people who are on it. I do agree there is no easy answer on this. Years ago we used to have a guest worker program where migrants would come into California, work, and then go home. It worked well for decades. But people don't go home now. It is better for them here, I get it. I just worry about Americans. And as a small business owner in California where we're being taxes in every corner of our business to pay for all of these things our CA government keeps passing ----- I'm watching small businesses close, I'm watching businesses move to other states taking jobs with them. I'm not making this up I guess we just have completely different views on this. Because I do run a small business and I do provide healthcare coverage.

I don't want anyone to die in the street, of course not. I don't know what the answer is. Just know, eventually the state of California is not going to be able to afford all of this guys. Seriously.

And you are wrong I care deeply about vets as many in our family are current and former vets. I agree the problem with homeless ness was here long before we had the boarder problem ---- but ---- the current boarder problem is not helping.

I seriously do not know what the solution is. Ronald Reagan took away mental care in the 1980's which was the beginning of the mental health/homeless crisis. Never should have been done. I don't have a solution. Yes, and I am fully aware they are seeking assylum but then they get turned over into the country some we never hear from again who don't show up for their court dates 1-2 years from now. They will live in the U.S.

I just don't like to be painted that I don't have a heart or don't care about the people coming to the southern boarder. It's like you can't even express an opinion without being painted as a racist or a MAGA supporter. All I'm saying is our system being operated now is seriously broken.

by Anonymousreply 68January 28, 2024 10:04 PM

FOR FUCK’S SAKE.

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by Anonymousreply 69January 28, 2024 10:36 PM

[Quote]I have always had a problem with our boarder.

and with homophones as well

by Anonymousreply 70January 28, 2024 10:45 PM

Morlocks and the Eloi

by Anonymousreply 71January 28, 2024 10:50 PM

I agree it's wrong to conflate the homeless with migrants but they both pose a similar concern: what do we do about them and what is being done?

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by Anonymousreply 72January 28, 2024 10:52 PM

I love the BOARDER

by Anonymousreply 73January 28, 2024 11:29 PM

I’m sorry but using border in place of border deserves a fucking “Oh dear”. What a fucking tool. One needs some better edumacation.

by Anonymousreply 74January 29, 2024 5:03 AM

I would happily take in a hot boarder who just crossed the border.

by Anonymousreply 75January 29, 2024 5:29 AM

America, welcome to your future.

Thanks, Real Estate CUNTS!

by Anonymousreply 76January 29, 2024 1:46 PM

Homelessness is a multi-billion dollar business for political beauracrats who are making a very nice living off a problem they have no incentive or desire to resolve.

by Anonymousreply 77January 29, 2024 1:50 PM

"with homophones as well"

I want a homophone! I promise to dial it with a pencil.

by Anonymousreply 78January 29, 2024 7:20 PM

There is so much open land in America, I don't know why they don't build shelter campgrounds on the outskirts of the cities where land is cheap instead of paying hotels to temporarily house people. I love those little house things they have been building for them, it allows for some personal space which eliminates the problem of putting hundreds of people in a giant room expecting nothing bad to happen. If I were homeless I would rather do that than live under a busy overpass with no protection.

by Anonymousreply 79January 29, 2024 8:29 PM

We can't build affordable housing! I won't have my view of the Bay spoiled by a bunch of smelly transplants! I've lived in California since 2019, so I have seniority!

by Anonymousreply 80January 29, 2024 9:24 PM

R79, they’ll turn into crack dens and prostitution rings.

by Anonymousreply 81January 29, 2024 10:59 PM

[qutoe] R79, they’ll turn into crack dens and prostitution rings.

How is that different from Coachella?

To be honest, it's better to have them concentrated in an open field out in the country, rather than along freeways or city streets and businesses.

And law enforcement can keep an eye on them from time to time.

by Anonymousreply 82January 29, 2024 11:02 PM

From time to time?

by Anonymousreply 83January 29, 2024 11:54 PM

What’s the difference between calling a person homeless or unhoused?

by Anonymousreply 84January 30, 2024 12:15 AM

[quote] What’s the difference between calling a person homeless or unhoused?

It makes politicians and virtue signalers feel better about themselves.

by Anonymousreply 85January 30, 2024 2:53 AM

[Quote] What’s the difference between calling a person homeless or unhoused?

don't forget 'unsheltered'

by Anonymousreply 86January 30, 2024 5:53 AM

Giving away more housing is not the answer. We need treatment programs and incentives for being productive members of society.

by Anonymousreply 87January 30, 2024 6:06 AM

[Quote] How is that different from Coachella?

[Quote] To be honest, it's better to have them concentrated in an open field out in the country, rather than along freeways or city streets and businesses.

.

and they don't bring down property values, cause people to move or scare tourists away

by Anonymousreply 88January 30, 2024 6:12 AM

I happen to think the caves are adorable.

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by Anonymousreply 89January 31, 2024 5:52 PM

This week won’t be a good times in those caves with the Pineapple Express bringing rain but no fruit. However, with the god awful heat in summer of the Central Valley, living underground might be a good option.

by Anonymousreply 90January 31, 2024 7:19 PM

[quote]Giving away more housing is not the answer. We need treatment programs and incentives for being productive members of society.

It's not all or nothing. We could build campground with no walls and fences, buy thousands of those tiny one room homeless shelters, set up a mess hall, medical facility, psychiatric care, job training and placement, basic security and it would still be 10 times cheaper and more effective than just renting out hotels in the most expensive parts of a city and not address the cause.

by Anonymousreply 91February 1, 2024 2:28 AM

Giving tax $$$ away

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by Anonymousreply 92February 3, 2024 2:54 AM

Hotel business is booming

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by Anonymousreply 93February 3, 2024 2:55 AM

Why should we have to do anything?

The economy’s white hot right now for entry-level workers. They can get themselves out of homelessness, so long as they avoid the needles.

Plenty of people do, by the way. The chronically homeless are usually the leftovers, who have no interest in living the square life, having a job, or being a normal adult. And fuck them!

by Anonymousreply 94February 3, 2024 3:40 PM

Because R94, most of those people are mentally ill. Are YOU going to hire someone like that to work in your home? Yeah, I though not.

by Anonymousreply 95February 4, 2024 4:59 AM

R95 So put them back in an institution, where they’ll be safer and properly medicated.

by Anonymousreply 96February 6, 2024 1:06 AM

[quote]We have immigration laws on the books we are not following.

Like what, R68? Which laws are we not following that are currently on the bpoks? Please be specific.

by Anonymousreply 97February 6, 2024 5:39 PM

It’s ok if you can get past the SMELL!

by Anonymousreply 98February 6, 2024 6:48 PM
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