More Incoherent BABBLING from Orange Jesus

[quote] in Laconia, NH

Irony.

Another day of the United Shates of America

R2 = Lizsha

Yuk yuk

What a clownshow.

Why isn't this on a constant loop?

I don't care what he says, his cum tastyes the best!

A challenge!

Brain fart

Unfortunately, the fact that Trump is acting brain-damaged will only make him more appealing to the MAGAs

It is a clown show I agree. I had to block a guy, who is a professor that I thought I respected. Dude kept posting really controversial things, usually against trump, but he never moderated his page and just enjoyed seeing people fighting. There are a couple of pages that I found on Facebook where there is no message function. So they post content and when someone agrees they switch up and attack the commenters and publicly call the commenters bullies. So they are astroturfing as anti trump but are actually for trump. They posted a meme that said trump is in a “gay pride” with lions. So I wrote that his testosterone is too low to be in a bachelor herd. The cunt moderator comes out of the woodwork and calls me a bully and tells me she will ban me.

Kind of amazes me the number of genuinely intelligent people who support trump. And yes they do exist, whether you like it or not. Not everyone who doesn’t share your views is a moron. But it’s such a disconnect. The whole country had 4 years to watch trump fuck things up and serve nothing but his ego and they still think he’s the man for the job. Low info voters I understand, but the rest I don’t.

A lot of people just vote in their economic interest or on one issue.

[quote] The whole country had 4 years to watch trump fuck things up and serve nothing but his ego and they still think he’s the man for the job. Low info voters I understand, but the rest I don’t.

Most of us saw a guy who spent his days eating and tweeting. But the MAGAts social media feed is probably all about the wonderful things Orange Jesus is doing.

And playing golf after campaigning against it.

OH look another Trump thread.

Get used to it honey.

R16 on 11/24/63–can’t we talk about something else?

"... the number of genuinely intelligent people who support Trump"

If you grew-up with a sociopathic, narcissistic, brow-beating tyrant of a parent (extra points for incest) then he seems a perfectly logical choice. Daddy will take care of everything.

HE KNOWS HE IS SPOUTING GIBBERISH. HE IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

It's just like lissenin' at church! Praise tha Lord! He is sent from above!

I’ve noticed here and IRL that there are people who cannot fathom that Trump is not some kind of genius totally in command. It’s as if acknowledging that a moron could acquire so much power is too frightening to comprehend.

R10 I think how it works is that the MAGA cult members respond to attacks on their Great Leader. He says something clearly incoherent, media points this out/shares it, it's received as "an attack" and the MAGA flame is lit to push back against the "socialist elite" (the Woke, the RINO, the SJW... all the cleverly crafted names for The Enemy).

But that's the core MAGA. There is the middle 5-10% of the American electorate... as we see more and more of Trump's Big Mouth shitstorms, the middle is repelled. Whether that 5-10% is enough in the swing states is the only question about this election ... at least as seen from January, 2024.

[quote]It’s as if acknowledging that a moron could acquire so much power is too frightening to comprehend.

That's my pet theory as to why QAnon took off. People just couldn't compute the sheer flukeness of the 2016 fluke election, and thought that surely greater forces must have been behind it all. But there weren't, something crazy shit just happens in life due to a confluence of all sorts of different crazy factors and that's that.

I missed this one from the other day.

Remember when the the Nazis attacked Georgia? (Or was it the Japanese?) If it weren't for Fort Benning or Fort This and Fort That, we'd be speaking a different language today. MAGA!

"Smart Trump voters" = greedy people who think they'll be next in line after the mega rich for those tax breaks (they won't) or racists.

But the Qanons don’t recognize that Trump is an idiot.

r23 Yep, Politico just had an article about it today, he's repelling the moderates. What Trump is doing might be entertaining to some, but it's not sustainable as a winning political strategy. Arguably it wasn't back in 2016 either, but sadly enough people stayed at home that it looked like it was.

QAnons and conspiracy theorists are too stupid to see that he's an idiot.

The fort thing at least makes some sense. He can’t explicitly defend keeping the forts named for Confederates, but he can gin up the emotions of people who don’t like change, especially change that implies there’s something wrong with white supremacy.

Remember when you were sitting in class reading about populism. That sure sounded great when young.

Trump and his followers are populism in the flesh.

People might stay home this time too, r28. Of vote for RFK or Cornel West or whoever No Labels nominates.

R31 I've this theory (not unique to me) that you can trace the cultural disruptions of the 60s to the MAGA ascendency. Even the content of some the MAGA insanity fits into that map: "the Deep State controls everything", "Jan 6 was a false flag created by FBI and/or CIA", etc.

r20 is also:

*Judge Judy endorses Nikki Haley: ‘I truly think she can restore America, create jobs, end racial tension’*

[quote]Rachel Maddow makes her living from telling her viewers what they want to hear. She's no different from Shawn Hannity.

R33

It was called the Silent Majority in the 60s and they were a counter balance to the anti war hippies

We should all stay terrified that Trump will win to maintain a level of haters that will drive people to the polls.

That said, I’m not worried. And the endless media harping about Biden’s poll numbers doesn’t worry me either.

I love Biden but wanted him to step aside because of his age. But now I think it was a good strategy to keep him is the candidate.

Biden isn’t Hillary. No one hates him. The hatred of Hillary fueled the MAGA cult. That fuel is gone.

But the hatred burns even brighter on our side for Trump. Things will go to polls to vote against Trump, not for Biden.

Haley would have a much better chance against Biden than Trump. Just demonstrates again what fucking imbeciles GOPers are.

He’s just speaking the truth!!! Praise!!!

R35 No, that's not the theory. The counter-cultural forms and language of "the Hippies" traces to the "anti-establishment" animus of MAGA....

Yippies = street theater. MAGA = street theater.

It’s not a theory I saw it, it’s history.

The hippies arrived and left took to the streets against the war , the cities were going up in flames, and Nixon would call on or was supported by what they began calling at that time, the Silent Majority.

A lot of the MAGAts are mentally ill and/or drug addicted and can't think straight. I look at my QAnon cousin that is pushing 50. It's a miracle she's still alive with all of her drug use.

Gee, do you think MAGA/Trump/GQP/Fox News would exploit the mental illness and drug addiction of these people???

R34 let me make this easier for you

I am also the person who posted this

Trump is being paid to be a stalking horse to ensure that Joe Biden did not step down from re-election so the Democrats have a weak, unpopular, 81 year old candidate in the general election, or he drops out so late that he sends the Democratic Party into chaos like in 1968 when Lyndon Johnson dropped out on March 31, putting into motion a chain of events which saw the assassination of Bobby Kennedy and the mass protests at the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago and which saw Nixon's landslide against Hubert Humphrey. Joe Biden literally said "I don't think I'd be running again if it wasn't for Donald Trump."

Trump has no intention of running for President again because he is visibly in poor health. He needs two things done for him. He needs money to pay his legal bills. He needs a pardon from an incoming Republican President. Nikki Haley already said she would pardon him. If Trump ran again, and he did not win, he would not get pardoned. He needs to ensure the next President is a Republican who will pardon him.

The billionaires have already said, many times, in print, that they were disappointed with Donald Trump's presidency because it was chaotic, because he concentrated on culture wars, there were constant scandals, he was only able to attract opportunistic charlatans and grifters for his administration, and he was unable to do any of the things they hoped he would do when they assisted him in his first campaign, massive economic deregulation. He showed no loyalty to his cabinet, including one of their own, Rex Tillerson, and had high turnover which made achieving their goal impossible. The only way they are going to get this done is to have a competent technocrat installed in the White House. Not only that, but one who would potentially be able to serve out a full eight year term, not a mere four like Trump would be constitutionally limited to. They had two candidates who impressed them most. Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis. The only way Republicans were going to win the 2024 election is to capture a single demographic: suburban voters, particularly middle class suburban women. Both candidates seemed like they had the best chance of capturing that demographic.

Ron DeSantis ruined his candidacy by going to war with Disney over stupid culture issues. The idea that a Republican candidate would go to war with a component of the Dow Jones Industrial Average and seek to use the apparatus of the state to penalize them was horrifying to every billionaire. Some even went as far as to call him a Bolshevik. This shifted the majority of the plutocrats into Nikki Haley's corner, although DeSantis still had important backers, including the hedge fund CEO of Citadel (maybe Colony, I don't remember.) DeSantis had until the first primary to prove he had some momentum and failed, so he is dropping out.

Trump agreed not to participate in any of the Republican debates so he would not damage Haley or DeSantis. It would also allow Republicans to get used to the idea of him off of the stage and to warm up to Haley (or DeSantis.)

Because Nikki Haley was seen as the more reliable and more likely not to behave erratically like DeSantis, her backers were able to recruit Vivek Ramaswamy to run for the Republican nomination despite having no articulate platform. He was selected on the basis of being a very dark skinned Indian. They wanted Republican debate viewers, who I'm sure you realize are not the most progressive bunch, to see a dark, unappealing, very ethnic looking Indian man next to the light-skinned, elegant looking Haley. This is a simple technique in filmmaking called forced perspective. It was necessary to ensure that their base would accept Haley as their potential leader. The elevation of Rishi Sunak to UK Prime Minister with little resistance in the UK Conservative Party encouraged them that having a South Asian nominee was feasible.

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r41 - Sure, Jan.

Many prominent Democrats suspect what is going on, which is why Gavin Newsom began a bizarre shadow campaign for the nomination including trips to France and Israel. The LA Times commented on the strangeness of these trips. Gavin Newsom is from San Francisco Bay, San Francisco Bay is where Silicon Valley is, Silicon Valley is where many of these plutocrat billionaires are from. He knows that the primary objective right now for these people, who are among the richest of the rich people in the country and almost all politically libertarian, is preventing the regulation of artificial intelligence. These people are desperate to prevent the regulation of artificial intelligence and will go through any amount of subterfuge to ensure that the next few critical years in the development of artificial intelligence are not interfered with by the federal government. As everyone saw with the actors' and writers' strikes, artificial intelligence is a key labor issue and organized labor is still a critical Democratic component.

The billionaires now have the exact situation they hoped for, with an erratic, venomous Trump paired off against the polished, diplomatic Haley. They want people, not just moderate Republicans but nonaligneds and conservative Democrats, to be grateful for her presence. They particularly want the media to begin praising Haley. They need the contrast with Trump to allow that to happen. So he will stay in the election until they say he needs to drop out, at which time he will drop out, likely due to stated health reasons, endorse Haley, and leave Haley to run against 81 year old Biden, or, should Biden step down, it will be too late and like 1968 send the Democratic Party into chaos. Either way, they go into the general as the favorite. The media will praise Nikki Haley for her historic win as both a woman and a person of color, and for restoring the Republican Party from is Trumpian nadir.

Should Biden remain the nominee, she will choose a running mate from the party establishment from the Midwest, most likely Tom Emmer from Minnesota, knowing that Biden has severely damaged his standing with Minnesota and Michigan's prominent Muslim communities due to his unfettered support for Israel's bombardment of Gaza, who may stay home or defect allowing Haley to carry those states which Democrats have only been winning with razor thin margins. If the Republicans pick up Michigan and Minnesota, they win the election. Additionally, should the billionaires be correct about the appeal of Haley to suburban women, she may also pick up Pennsylvania by winning the formerly Republican suburban counties of Delaware, Chester, Montgomery and Bucks; and Virginia, which showed in Glenn Youngkin's election that it can still be won by Republicans; that election was won by traditionally Democratic voters in the Washington DC suburbs in Fairfax, Loudon and Price William counties switching to the Republican candidate. Virginia also has the eighth largest Indian-American population in the country. Due to South Carolina's proximity to Georgia, she would likely carry Georgia which Democrats only won by the tiniest razor thin margin in 2020.

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There is also a very real chance she may pick up New Jersey. New Jersey has a population of 500,000 Indian Americans and 10 percent of New Jersey is Asian. New Jersey is largely suburban. New Jersey has one of the highest costs of living in the United States. The Democratic establishment is New Jersey is unpopular with Senator Bob Menendez, who has still not had the decency to resign, the most spectacularly corrupt person in a room of spectacularly corrupt people. It is ripe for a South Asian change candidate to win. Should Haley pick up Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Georgia, Arizona (would be won by a change candidate) and New Jersey, she would win in a landslide and go into office with a mandate, which is exactly what the billionaires need. They need a Margaret Thatcher election. They need a Ronald Reagan election. In order for them to get anything they want done, which is exactly what Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan did, which is massive deregulation.

The criticality of this particular election - more than any other in the near future - is due to dying off of the baby boomer generation. The baby boomer generation has one major counterbalance - their children, the millennials. The millennials are a massive generation. The millennials are also turning forty. This is the age when people generally start to become more conservative. Most millennials voted against Trump in 2016 and 2020 and would do so again in 2024. But an appealing Republican candidate who was only a little bit older than them, a woman, whose ethnic background gives her cosmopolitanness, would appeal to millennials, who feel they have been screwed by older generations and indeed are the first generation not to live better than their parents. A fifty year old Republican candidate will be able to speak to them in ways an 81 year old candidate cannot. Millennials hate boomers and blame them for everything. Joe Biden is even older than Boomers. She would win the millennial vote and accomplish the critical task of moving the massive generation further to the right.

R41

LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

Put down the pipe, r41 - r44.

For r16

R41 is the perfect example of mental illness.

R45 I don't care if you don't believe me

I am simply warning you of what is going to happen.

How heroic.

After this I don't want to hear any conservatives say that Biden is in mental decline

"The person who wrote R41 is mentally ill! Now let me continue to hypothesize how an obviously declining 77 year old man with a rape conviction who has never won the popular vote will win the election in 2024." - R48

Haley’s position on Social Security alone would sink her against any Democrat. If they were playing this game, there are better ways to play it.

[quote] I don't want to hear any conservatives say that Biden is in mental decline

Against nominee Nikki Haley, it will be the focal point of the election.

[quote] Haley’s position on Social Security alone would sink her against any Democrat

And Joe Biden's backing of Clarence Thomas over Anita Hill should have damaged him permanently with African American women! Guess who won their vote overwhelmingly in the 2020 primaries!

[quote] They want people, not just moderate Republicans but nonaligneds and conservative Democrats, to be grateful for her presence. They particularly want the media to begin praising Haley.

They want everything for her except an actual victory anywhere at any time. Wheels within constantly spinning wheels.

I know I shouldn’t, but . . .

[quote] like in 1968 when Lyndon Johnson dropped out on March 31, putting into motion a chain of events which saw the assassination of Bobby Kennedy and the mass protests at the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago and which saw Nixon's landslide against Hubert Humphrey

So your theory is that if LBJ had not dropped out, RFK would not have been killed, there would have been no protests in Chicago and Nixon would have lost?

BTW—Nixon didn’t win “in a landslide.” It was Nixon 43.4%, Humphrey 42.7%

Trump won't win in NH. The local news crew has been asking Republican voters outside the polls who they voted for and they've all said Nikki Haley. One Republican said he voted for Biden last time because he hates Trump. Some have called him an embarrassment and other negative stuff. When I was out and about today I didn't see one Trump sign anywhere but plenty for Haley. I'm a democrat and voted for Biden today.

Does the DL store carry a stylish line of tinfoil hats? I'd like to purchase one for R41.

[quote] The local news crew has been asking Republican voters outside the polls who they voted for and they've all said Nikki Haley

There you have it!

Were Haley to win New Hampshire tonight - which I was not expecting - she would be canonized by the media overnight. I was expecting her to do well in New Hampshire, but not win. A win is the shocking twist the media loves.

Sure, but there is no path forward for her, unless Trump’s mental health collapses further. Even then, it’s not clear where she wins next. NH still has old-time Northeastern Republicans and they let independents vote in the primary.

Shocking indeed. Trump had a double digit lead in the polls as of yesterday. That would be a really major shift if she wins.

New Hampshire is the key!

[quote]And Joe Biden's backing of Clarence Thomas over Anita Hill should have damaged him permanently with African American women!

Jesus, r55, seek professional help.

Winning! More Winning!

Haley swept Trump at midnight in Dixville Notch.

[quote] Kind of amazes me the number of genuinely intelligent people who support trump.

Those are the people who know exactly what kind of crook and lowlife Trump is, but they don't care because they know it takes a crook and scumbag to do the things they want done by the POTUS.

And then you have the morons who actually admire him because he's a crook and scumbag, because they're of the same mentality. They see Trump as the man who got over on the people they hate the most, the honest people in Congress (mainly the democrats). They don't care how it's done, as long as it's done.

Many voters in NH have been mentioning his indictments and how they won't vote for him.

They should hold Trump's klan rallies in the mornings. He's more coherent in the mornings, as many people with Alzheimer's are.

Many vote for him BECAUSE of the indictments. He’s being persecuted for them, like Jesus.

He’s busy in court in the mornings.

A media canonized Nikki Haley would almost certainly win her home state.

Here is something you people appear to be forgetting, which shows how much you even care about understanding politics.

The next Republican primary is in South Carolina.

But the next Republican caucus is in NEVADA.

Nevada votes on February 8. The Democrats in South Carolina vote on February 3rd, but the Republicans vote on February 29. (Anything about that seem a little odd to you?)

Nevada, as anyone who has been there knows, is filled with disaffected Californians. California, obviously, has the highest Asian population in the nation, including the highest Indian-American population. The Asian population transfer from California to Nevada is significant enough that Las Vegas's Chinatown is now regarded as having the best Chinese food in the nation.

Nikki Haley would appeal to disaffected Californians more than Donald Trump. Californian Republicans are more cosmopolitan than Iowa Republicans.

Also remember that California expats often have a distaste for the perpetual political chaos of California's unusual direct democracy system. They would not find a repeat of the Trump administration's chaos appealing.

And it's well known the Hispanic population is becoming increasingly Republican identified. Nikki Haley could easily pass for Hispanic.

If Haley was to actually win the nomination Trump would then tell all his followers they shouldn't vote for her and just write his name in. And many of them would do just that, which of course would lose the election for him and Haley.

R73 again what part of "needs to be pardoned" are we failing to understand?

No worries about "Haley Republicans". They'll be dealt with soon enough.

"Marjorie Taylor Greene: "Not only do we support President Trump, we support his policies, and any Republican that isn't willing to adapt these policies we are completely eradicating from the party."

Reagan's "big tent" GOP is out, Trump's purity-test GOP is in."

He’ll tell them the election was stolen by Dems, r73, who don’t want him to run. It’s started already.

You know who else had purity tests, Marge?

Under a Haley presidency, the Greene fringe of the Republican Party will become what the Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are to the Democratic Party. And I say this as someone who agrees with those two women (the Democrats, not Greene) about many things, especially the situation in the Middle East.

You are forgetting what the nature of the Republican Party is. It is essentially authoritarian. That's why the party has so many winner-take-all primaries. To the winner go the spoils. Adherence to Haley policy will become necessary for all Republicans just like it was under Bush 2 and just like it was under Reagan.

Orange Jesus doesn't seem worried.

"Reporter: You talk about unifying the party, some Nikki Haley voters voted for you in 2020. But don't want to now.

Trump: They are going to all vote for me again, all vote for me again, I'm not sure we need too many."

Why would he be worried about an election he plans to drop out of?

Oh and one more thing

A sort of ambivalent, resignation type attitude - the type Trump is displaying now - will actually disaffect quite a bit of his supporters. Haley may actually win this thing organically (well, as organic as you can with the chicanery of the world's wealthiest people.)

R78

Yes the gop all fall in line every time. Like robots.

Its not like the gop recently went thru one once popular speaker after another because radical elements in the gop were playing real inside the plate hard ball.

The gop will become a truly radical party supported by those who want to see a really radical solution to the liberal deep state rino problem.

[quote]Its not like the gop recently went thru one once popular speaker after another because radical elements in the gop were playing real inside the plate hard ball.

Because there currently is no Republican leadership in the executive branch. They do this every couple of years, fight over power. Then someone comes in to fill the vacuum (Reagan, Bush 2, Trump) and they fall into line. What was Ronald Reagan's motto?

It's interesting how many Trump voters when interviewed - news channels, focus groups - say things like "I like his policies, I don't like the way he talks..." or some variant of that. "Oh, he's so funny, he's just talking, he doesn't mean it, I wish he'd not be so vulgar.... " etc etc.

I think this isn't as "sure" a base as some media outlets report. As I said upthread, I was pretty concerned about his re-election for the last couple months. I don't think he'll win again. He's got a firm 44% in the general election.

The challenge now, I think, will be what happens when he loses. Pretty clear he'll manipulate another chaotic, insurrection-prone response.

Nope.

You can project any kind of insecurity you have on the Republican Party. The fact of the matter is, you have been bamboozled..

"what happens when he loses. Pretty clear he'll manipulate another chaotic, insurrection-prone response"

And do what, R84: Invade New Hampshire? These are party primaries: the state - as a state - doesn't care who wins the vote or the nomination. Nobody gets elected on the basis of a primary vote. The states just want to know whose names go on the ballots.

Seriously, though, I suspect Nimrata's gonna poll a lot better today than has been thought. I don't like her, but it's clear a lot of Republicans don't like Trump either.

Also:

Anyone who does not know, who does not DOUBT, that Trump would sell out his devoted followers for a little bit of money, clearly knows absolutely nothing about Trump despite obsessively ruminating about him for eight years.

I wonder if any of Trump's supporters who say they like his policies can actually articulate what any of those policies are

You say that like it's a bad thing, R77! Don't forget Our President Trump told John Kelly that Hitler did a lot of good things!

I was hoping that would be the clip at your link, r87.

It is beautiful watching the Capitalists who bought the Supreme Court, being forced to support a defective Capitalist Trump.

Dark money down the Citizens United rabbit hole.

You own this Koch Bros, Leo and Crow!

"Haley swept Trump at midnight in Dixville Notch."

What about Bug Tussel, Dogpatch and Petticoat Junction... any word?

Dear Lordt, watching MSNBC interview voters in NH makes me weep for humanity.

r92, the results from Hooterville, and Pixley are yet to see the Election Wagon results pull up.

This is the reason Biden's push for Rural Internet is so important after FDR's Rural Electrification.

R86 Didn't mean the primary - comments were to acknowledge that Trump had won the primaries, will be the Republican nominee, but I no longer think he is likely to win the general election. And THEN he and the MAGA flock will deny the validity of the election, state by state they will challenge the results, pose false electors again... etc.

Any word from Sibley? What Bug Tussel does, Sibley does.

Speaking of incoherent babbling...

"Junior: “I’m the son of a billionaire. And if I take my kids to the grocery store or a fast-food place on the weekend, I have sticker shock.”"

[quote] Trump won't win in NH. The local news crew has been asking Republican voters outside the polls who they voted for and they've all said Nikki Haley. One Republican said he voted for Biden last time because he hates Trump. Some have called him an embarrassment and other negative stuff. When I was out and about today I didn't see one Trump sign anywhere but plenty for Haley. I'm a democrat and voted for Biden today.

Thank you for voting for President Biden, R58. But, there’s a cautionary tale here about relying too heavily on anecdotal evidence.

.....

What anyone with a brain realizes is that high prices usually mean either a highly functional or a highly dysfunctional society. The US is neither.

“Trump will not win NH”

I’d love more update from this poster with obvious inside info.

NH was perfect for Haley. A state where the undeclared, the largest block and evenly split between dem and gop leaning, could vote for her.

NH is the one state she had a great chance in.

Now she gets crushed in her home state.

We want Trump to be the GOP candidate. Wih all his baggage and repulsiveness. And Joe will beat him like last time, but by much more than 7 million votes. Trump will meltdown like never before, and destroy any remaining reputation he has.

And I recommend Joe not debate him this time, citing Turd's previous unprofessional and dangerous (he had Covid and knew it) behavior. We've already seen that movie.

R102

So neither the Dems or the GOP will want to see their nominee on the stage debating the other nominee. Who says Dems and gop could not find common ground.

No. I don’t want Trump to be the nominee. Especially not when he’s leading in the polls.

I expect him to lose, but I don;t want to spend the next year worrying about it.

R102 please Google “pied piper campaign.”

Not that it really matters because Trump is not really running for President.

Winning...

I'll bet Trump has COVID.

Is it a good thing for Biden and the Democrats that Trump will be the Republican nominee? Yes. He's increasing unhinged (we don't register this because he's always been nuts) and America is exhausted with his nonsense. Things being what they are (no surprises, no viable third party, no unforeseen crises) Biden will win by more than 7 million this time.

Is it a good think for the Country that Trump will be the Republican nominee? No, absolutely not. There will be tribal anger raised to new levels, and when he loses, there will be claims of a rigged election, challenges to the electoral system, false electors, and... I predict... violence.

OP- Trump is a BUFFOON

and Biden is SENILE

[quote]Is it a good thing for Biden and the Democrats that Trump will be the Republican nominee?

He’s not really running for President, so no.

It would be better for the Democrats if he were not the GOP nominee because he’d tell his voters to stay home to punish the party. He’s a vindictive little fucker. But it’s pointless to wish for, since he will be the nominee.

He’s running for President. It’s the only way to stay out of prison.

R109 Correction, Trump is a buffoon AND senile.

does he really speak like that? I never listen to him, but does he really babble on like that?

Not all the time, r114. But often.

So the argument for some here is that trump is not afraid of a criminal trial or prison and he would prove it by telling his followers to stay home and not vote if he is not the nominee. As in no chance for a pardon.

I love it when we hear from real well informed political insiders

That would be a fair comment if Trump were not insane.

Anyway the whole conversation Is moot. He is running and he is the nominee.

R117 “Alexa, how does self-bamboozling work.”

Every day Haley stays in the race is one day closer to Trump exploding in bat shit crazy. But even if not her attacks that trump is unfit or old is not what the gop wants to hear.

And all she has left is trump is unfit and Joe Biden old.

He’s really piling on the bronzer even more than usual these days.

R120 He's a mess. Worse than 2020 and much worse than 2016. I think people are not getting that he's really getting crazier and crazier... and folks are exhausted with it.

Trump is sick and maybe even dying. Ergo, he is not running for President. What would be the point?

Yet he promises nothing. No wonderful things that will happen if you opt for Trump. No lower taxes or lower prices. No policies and plans to fix things, make lives better...

Just preventing an apocalyptic, crumbling Woke world of deranged Democrats who want to destroy America.

R123 why would you promise something you have no intention of doing because you might be dead? What would be the point?

Remember how pathetic it was when dying Ruth Bader Ginsberg asked Mitch McConnell to hold off on her replacement until the new election? Same difference.

The sad thing is that when Trump looks in a mirror, he sees a pale person staring back. It's an illness.

R123 Do you believe your second paragraph? MAGA certainly does, sure. MAGA is not FOR anything.... MAGA is only AGAINST the Other.

Trump's decline is clear, but it is harder to see than Biden's because before it began:

1. he has clear developmental delays, added to by probable ADHD. If you believe the ghost writer of The Art of the Deal, both of these were in evidence back then; and

2. he has at least one mental illness. The clinical levels of narcissism are obvious, but who knows what else a clinician might find.

Whereas Biden had an above-normal IQ, so any faltering he does is (properly) measured against the way a normal person might walk or speak, or the way he would have walked and spoken twenty years ago. Most people at 80 can't think on their feet as well as they could at 50. You don't have to have dementia for that to be the case, you're just winding down into what should be retirement.

But Trump could NEVER think nimbly on his feet. He could, however, form complete (if simple) sentences, and now he can't. Even with the aid of a teleprompter. So, he's in decline, from a so much lower base than Biden started at.

[quote]Not that it really matters because Trump is not really running for President.

[quote]He’s not really running for President, so no.

Who is the bizarre "Trump's not really running" conspiracy troll who insists on barging into every thread with this dumb theory?

It's best if you block him, R128.

R128

He is fun he is harmless and the smart here who don’t want to read him will ignore him. R129 can continue to block everyone.

And in the end he could be right. For the wrong fucking reasons——you would have to be an idiot to think that trump is doing all of this just to quit—-people can’t be that stupid.

But quit he might. Trump looks a lot worse than old Joe. And it’s not likely to get better. His body may give out. But if so that is a physical and mental health issues not some long term idiotic plan.

There is absolutely nothing that will prevent Trump from running for president, even if he is on his death bed. His ego and self-respect ( which is a pretty laughable term) will not allow that " defeat."

^ Not to mention the millions in fundraising he rakes in from the rubes. If Trump dropped out, that money dries up. Plus there's his desire to pardon himself.

Only presidency/becoming King Trump will stop the federal, state, and civil litigation from ruining him.

Presidental pardons only excuse federal.

He either needs to become Dictator Trump or die trying. He's left himself no other option.

I picture a president Trump having his DoJ charge everyone on the Georgia Pardon's board with some horrible shit.

[quote] Presidential pardons only excuse federal.

And currently, under our existing constitutional system, it is unclear whether it is even legal for him to pardon himself. Of course, if he becomes a dictator, then that minor, inconsequential detail would hardly matter.

[quote]More Incoherent BABBLING from Orange Jesus

Please do not use my name in vain.

"I love my president Trump! He speaks for me!" - Dee Plorable

"On 7/11, America needed me and I needed to have the tallest building. In the world, they said. Bigly crashes and fires, pew pew pew! on 7/11! But, I was there then and I'm here now, to save America from the Deep State and Barrack. HUSSIAN. OOOOOObama. I'm here, with you people, with tears in your eyes. And I could be anywhere else and wish I was. If you don't vote for me to get complete immunity, then the Deep State will get you, they're not after me they're after you and I'm just in their way, they'll get you and put you in jail forever. So, vote for me to be immune and we'll make America Great Again, Joe!" -- Orange Jesus

"See? How can you not love him, you dumb libtards?" -- Dee Plorable