Did you find Frank Sinatra attractive?

No.

¡No!

No!!!!

No. He was popular with the ladies because of his massive schlong.

Nope

Not even a little bit.

No and I asked my mother if she did as he was the idol of her day...nope, she didnt think so either

Gene was cuter and had a shapely ass.

How was he able to pull the likes of Ava Gardner and Marilyn Monroe if he was unattractive?

He had BDE

Just got married

I didn't find Bing attractive either.

His mug shot is iconic tho

I doubt many of you would turn away from this young man if you didn't know who he was. I'd be craving my sheets.

Absolutely, NO!

Yes.

R16 = Ronan

R8 is right. Sinatra had a pancake butt.

He was an attractive man with a beautiful voice.

In the 40s, you could describe him as boyishly handsome or cute.

By the 60s, he was settling into the grizzled, take charge type.

[quote]However he was the heartthrob singer of his generation so not sure if that’s accurate.

Corey Feldman was a teen idol in the 80s, but that doesn't mean he was/is attractive.

R19 Difference is Sinatra pulled all the beautiful women of his time.

Last week I contemplated this very question looking at the mugshot at R13, which my eye doctor has framed and hung up in a waiting area for eye dilation.

No.

That mugshot reminds me of Harry Connick, Jr., a piece of beef I'd like to take on.

He was hot for a brief while in the mid to late 50s. before then he was too skinny; after then, he was too paunchy and his rug was too obvious.

He famously had a big skinny dick.

I know he wasn't a nice guy, but he was handsome. And frankly, even Quasimodo would have been attractive if he'd had that voice.

Bad wig - no.

Never understood the attraction, and I’m also Italian and felt growing up it was almost blasphemous not to say or think he walked on water in image, charisma and sex appeal. Although I do believe he was up there with the likes of Judy and even Barbra as one of the greatest actor-interpreter of lyrics and American songbook-visiting singers of the 20th century.

So Sinatra was the Pete Davidson of his generation, fuckable only for his enormous penis.

In the first episode of Frank Sinatra: All Or Nothing At All they show footage of young Frank in the 1940s. I see the appeal.

Maybe a bit as he was older - more filled out. His voice is attractive

Product of the Mafia PR machine.

No but to hear my grandma tell it, all the girls were crazy about "Frankie."

This site is always dragging Leo for aging poorly and he’s in his 40’s. By comparison Frank looked pretty good in his 40’s

Nope. I think Dean Martin was sexy, though.

Love Italians, but he aged out of my lust when he hit 30. Straight guys have to follow the same rules.

How long was he under contract to MGM in the 40s? They didn't give him many leads in A pictures. He was usually more the sidekick to Gene Kelly or Jimmy Durante. I wonder if LB Mayer believed in his talent. I also wonder if Sinatra was difficult to deal with within the studio system.

R35 He was under contract from 1945-1949. He only made a few films for them. He was never a sidekick for Durante. He and Gene co-starred (Frank got first billing in Anchors Aweigh, Gene got third).

Gene was handsome and seemed like the romantic leading man while Frank seemed like the skinny, cute guy, which is why they were cast that way.

Personally, I think Frank was attractive and magnetic. Doesn’t mean I was sexually attracted to him.

R35, please remember there was a HUGE anti-Italian stupidity that had to be overcome in the U.S.

Perhaps, they were playing safe.

Why do you suppose Frank was never paired with Judy at MGM? Seems to me they would have been very believable as a romantic couple in the mid-1940s and just imagine those duets. I wonder if there were any films planned that were scuttled for Judy's health issues?

R38 Judy was going to be in Take Me Out To The Ball Game for a while, it went through several leading ladies. Esther Williams was put into it but it was the only time she played that kind of part.

[quote]R31: No but to hear my grandma tell it, all the girls were crazy about "Frankie."

Old Warner cartoons were funnier about it. See 𝐒𝐰𝐨𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐫 𝐂𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐫 (1944) where, in a war production factory run by Porky Pig, Frankie and Bing face off in a contest to motivate hens to lay eggs (see link below)

There's also 𝐁𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐑𝐞𝐯𝐮𝐞 (1946), where book subjects come to life, including Daffy Duck from a comic book. 'A Voice in the Wilderness' turns out to be Frankie, appearing so thin and anemic, he's seated in a wheelchair, pushed by an orderly. As things develop, the Big Bad Wolf breaks out of prison, trips over Jimmy Durante's nose, and nearly slides down a slanted book into the open maw of 'Dante's Inferno.' He scrambles to the top, only to be confronted by Frankie, being held out by the orderly like a rag doll. "It had to be you..." the singer croons. "FRANKIE!" cries the Wolf, screams, and fainting, topples headfirst into hell.

R37 Ever hear of Rudolph Valentino/ I hear he was pretty big.

MGM signed Frank to a star contract, promoted him to the hilt.

[quote] Although I do believe he was up there with the likes of Judy and even Barbra as one of the greatest actor-interpreter of lyrics and American songbook-visiting singers of the 20th century.

Agree with r26 on this.

Sinatra was despicable, there was no two ways about it, but man, that Voice.

Still, it's probably apocryphal, but I do admire that he is reported to have told Jackie Onassis, when she was slumming around as part of her editor duties, asking her famous friends to write their autobiographies. "I'll do it when you do it, Jackie."

No. But he had charisma.

R44 And swag

Sinatra had a good side and a bad side. Not physically, although he did have two very different ears, and a big forceps scar under his jaw on the left side. I mean he was very generous and good to a lot of people, and a friend to friends in need, but he was also mercurial, temperamental, crazy, and violent.

Pretty sure he had false teeth.

1950s and 1960s Frank was handsome. Plus he had a big intact cock. That counts for a lot.

God no! He was basically little more than a midget, and nothing but skin and bones.

Cheap looking.

So many of those crooners had that extremely lazy, almost uninterested way of singing, as if they were humming a tune while cleaning out their garage.

Among other things, some heterosexual adult females (HAF) are motivated and wired by two things (and yes, ALL humans are also motivated by these, but, for the purpose here, I'm referring to HAF): appearance and competition, and I'll throw in that phenomenon that too many women indulge - A Bad Boy/Man cannot be resisted.

Sinatra, was a Superstar and A Bad Boy/Man and lots of women couldn't resist their moments with him. Hell, if you believe Eddie Fisher, even Elizabeth Taylor, became pregnant by Sinatra and aborted the embryo.

Ava Garner had his number and flipped that on him. She was the irresistible, beautiful Bad Woman.

I recommend Lee Server's biography of Gardner. She held the upper hand with him and, in asserting her power over him, perpetrated what would now be considered emotional and mental abuse on Sinatra. Considering, however, what an asshole he was maybe he had it coming.

R51 Please don’t say you mean Sinatra, because it would indicate you know nothing.

Ava also was the stepmother of Frank’s kids and loved them and had their pictures on her shelves. People are complex.

Frankie was practically beatified by MGM. Look at the finale of the Jerome Kern Juke Box musical Till the Clouds Roll By when he sings Old Man River. No singer has gotten such a set up and set in the history of movie musical. Then Frank made the Ginny Simms joke and LB was through with him. Though Donen got him into On the Town. Not sure when the joke was made. His butt was padded in the sailor suit. This was confirmed by Betty Garrett his love interest in the film who liked Sinatra a lot.

Perry Como despised Mayer. At the end of the Juke Box musical of Rodgers and Hart Como starts singing an absolutely gorgeous With a Song in My Heart(which is not a favorite song of mine) and it is ruined by suddenly cutting to a montage of musical scenes we've already seen in the movie itself completely ruining Como's performance. Especially annoying because this is before Como turned into a somnambulist.

Oh the movie is Words and Music. Not very good except for Lena Horne's two numbers and Garland and Rooney doing I Wish I Were in Love Again.

R56 I know some people here hate June Allyson but her Thou Swell number with the Blackburn Twins is one of the highlights, also

The short, incredibly obvious answer is that he was very attractive when he was young and far less so as he got older, partly due to the natural aging process but also because of his heavy smoking and drinking. Although I'm sure many people still found him sexy when he was older, even if his physical beauty was diminished.

I thought the main reason older Frank wasn’t that attractive was because he got fat. Otherwise, he didn’t look bad. I think he was his most attractive from around 40 to 55.

Both Ava and Frank were nuts, and already massively spoiled Hollywood A-listers by the time they hooked up, which compounded things. Both were outgoing, social types who loved partying and getting their drink on, especially Ava. Theirs was never going to be a peaceful marriage.

R53, r51 must mean Dino, but even then r51 knows little.

I like Thou Swell too but I doubt many DLers would.

[quote] Esther Williams was put into it but it was the only time she played that kind of part.

"Wet, she's a star. Dry, she ain't."

--Fanny Brice on Esther Williams

What was the Ginny Simms joke?

I like Esther Williams a lot even dry. She is so physically appealing and I find charming though others might find her cold.

My favorite number of hers is the Busby Berkeley finale from Easy to Love.

WORDS & MUSIC also has Ann Sothern's Where's That Rainbow? Divine!

Ginny Simms was known to be one of LB's mistresses. He fell off a horse and sprained or broke an ankle I'm not sure which.

Sinatra said he fell off of Ginny Simms. I'm sure that comment raced through MGM like a wildfire.

R65 I love that finale - if it’s on TV I have to sit down and watch it.

My favorite musical number of hers is probably My Heart Beats Faster, because she looks so lovely in it - from Neptune’s Daughter. I also love Baby, It’s Cold Outside, from the same movie. I can’t believe it’s considered a song with controversial lyrics these days.

Odd that LB Mayer kept casting Peter Lawford in musical leads when Sinatra was on the lot. For example, in GOOD NEWS and EASTER PARADE. Of course, Lawford was much handsomer.

Slaughter on Tenth Avenue is pretty good as well.

Also I tend to like Frank Loesser songs.

R69 At one point Sinatra was pencilled in for Lawford’s part in Easter Parade. Of course there’s no way Sinatra could have been cast as a football hero in Good News.

In The Good Old Summertime was also originally planned for Frank Sinatra (and June Allyson).

Rich powerful men are always attractive, as are singers. Looks become immaterial. But I love blue eyes.

'I can’t believe it’s considered a song with controversial lyrics these days.'

Because woke people are assholes. It's a terrific song. I guess people have never had an alcoholic drink and asked hey what's in this? Also they've never seen the movie. What follows is the song is repeated where Betty Garrett is hot for Red Skelton and Skelton is the one who thinks he should leave.

R74 Exactly.

I actually find him very attractive.

That part must have been written for Betty Garrett since in the film she’s “Betty Barrett”. Esther played the lead, her sister, “Eve Barrett.” I like that movie.

I think young Frank's mugshot is hot. He always had swagger.

R74 Not only that, but “Hey, what’s in this drink?” Or “Hey, what did you put in this drink?” was a common thing to say back then in a joking way.

He was homely and he pinged.

That's why he was attracted to dykish Ava Gardner.

[quote] dykish Ava Gardner.

The insane things you real on DL

Ava Gardner in no way physically appeared dykish. She did, however, dabble in sapphic activities from time to time (with Lana Turner and possibly Lena Horne, no less). And certainly could stand on her own with any man, whether in termper, general attitude or drinking habits.

Sorry. I've only seen Ava Gardner in "Night of the Iguana" and I got a definite dykish vibe from her.

Once Frank confronted Ava, Lana Turner and some other actresses who were hanging out together (at a nightclub?) and called them "dykes".

Uh ,yeah , when I think of football hero I automatically think of Peter Lawford.

She looked dykey to me. That's just my little opinion.

R85 I think you’re being very selective in your l’il ol’ photo.

Short hair always gives rug muncher energy. I don’t think Ava was gay though.

R83 You need to see her in more things.

Wasn't Ava once billed as The World's Sexiest Animal.....or some such nonsense?

Fug. Really fug.

No, never. He was also very scrawny when he was young. Good voice, though.

Nope. Paul Newman was a beautiful man. Ole Blue Eyes was average at best.

R9 so did Mickey Rooney.

[quote]I think Dean Martin was sexy, though.

Agreed. I prefer his singing, too.

R94, I totally agree!

No he was always old looking to me.