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France gets its youngest-ever prime minister, Gabriel Attal, as Macron shakes up government

Macron has a new young man (working for him), DL!

"Gabriel Attal was named Tuesday as France’s youngest-ever prime minister, as President Emmanuel Macron seeks a fresh start for the rest of his term amid growing political pressure from the far right..."

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by Anonymousreply 168July 16, 2024 8:02 PM

Does Daddy Macron ride Gabe's ass?

Is Justin jealous, or are they in a throuple now?

by Anonymousreply 1January 9, 2024 2:10 PM

You buried the lead, OP:

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by Anonymousreply 2January 9, 2024 2:13 PM

Cute guy.

by Anonymousreply 3January 9, 2024 2:13 PM

Le mari:

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by Anonymousreply 4January 9, 2024 2:18 PM

Does he have a large uncut baguette?

by Anonymousreply 5January 9, 2024 2:27 PM


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by Anonymousreply 6January 9, 2024 7:50 PM

Smooth body is a nice contrast to Macron's rug.

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by Anonymousreply 7January 9, 2024 9:02 PM

I'd hit that hard

by Anonymousreply 8January 9, 2024 9:33 PM

oh la la

by Anonymousreply 9January 9, 2024 9:34 PM

French DLers - time to dish the dirt!

by Anonymousreply 10January 9, 2024 9:53 PM

Jewish on his father's side, raised Catholic by his mother. What are the odds he's cut? (If mama liked it like that, perhaps....)

by Anonymousreply 11January 9, 2024 10:06 PM

Five things you should know about France's young, openly gay prime minister

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by Anonymousreply 12January 9, 2024 10:41 PM

Macron has tapped that.

by Anonymousreply 13January 9, 2024 10:46 PM

He's 34, just like me!

by Anonymousreply 14January 9, 2024 10:52 PM

French are gemerally uncut.

by Anonymousreply 15January 9, 2024 11:06 PM

Gemma Atherton

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by Anonymousreply 16January 9, 2024 11:10 PM

[quote] You buried the lead, OP:

Mon Dieu!

by Anonymousreply 17January 9, 2024 11:13 PM

Openly gay! Fantastic news. Go France!

by Anonymousreply 18January 10, 2024 7:55 AM

More info:

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by Anonymousreply 19January 10, 2024 8:05 AM

Has Justin commented?

by Anonymousreply 20January 10, 2024 8:17 AM

I think his mother is Russian Orthodox, r11. Her family is from Odessa.

by Anonymousreply 21January 10, 2024 8:24 AM

Here R21:

His father, Yves Attal, was a lawyer and film producer of half Tunisian Jewish descent (on the paternal side) and half Alsatian Jewish descent (on the maternal side). Attal's mother, Marie de Couriss, was of French and Greek-Russian ancestry, and worked as an employee of a film production company. Attal was raised in his mother's religion of Orthodox Christianity.

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by Anonymousreply 22January 10, 2024 8:27 AM

[quote]climbed the ranks in record time

Is "climbed the ranks" some sort of euphemism?

by Anonymousreply 23January 10, 2024 8:51 AM

The picture is awful. Photographers really like Hitler-stache drop shadows under the nose.

by Anonymousreply 24January 10, 2024 10:07 AM

He looks cute...Until he opens his mouth. His teeth look absolutely horrifying!

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by Anonymousreply 25January 10, 2024 10:23 AM

Teeth can easily be fixed R25. Maybe now he's more high profile he will have them done. Or maybe he just doesn't care?

This is a fascinating photo:

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by Anonymousreply 26January 10, 2024 10:29 AM

[italic]"France's new prime minister Gabriel Attal has had a stratospheric rise, but the work starts now. Attal brings cultural revolution - not just the youngest prime minister of the modern age, but also the first who is openly gay. Attal's rise has been dizzying, and he is popular with young voters and the country at large, but he faces a big challenge"...[/italic]

This is a huge moment. France is G8. The 8 wealthiest, most important and powerful countries. France also has a large and sometimes loud Muslim population. But impressively the French have completely ignored their beliefs towards us. It would have been easier to not support Attal because it would offend Muslims. Good on the French. Attal sends a positive message. It sounds like he is someone to watch. We should be very proud that gays have come this far to be so accepted and valued by the French people. More of this!

This would never happen in the US. Not for at least 30+ years - if then even.

by Anonymousreply 27January 10, 2024 10:43 AM

Correction: France is G7.

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by Anonymousreply 28January 10, 2024 10:48 AM

R29, slight correction. The G7 are the 7 leading liberal democracies. That also happened to be, at the time the G7 was set up, the 7 richest countries in the world. Now, China and India are in the top 8 richest countries in the world, but not G7 members.

by Anonymousreply 29January 10, 2024 11:17 AM

[quote] This is a fascinating photo:

They definitely fucked R26

by Anonymousreply 30January 10, 2024 11:19 AM

100% true R29. Yes I obviously don't know enough about them.

After I posted I googled and then posted a thread about the wealthiest countries. I should have done that before I posted.

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by Anonymousreply 31January 10, 2024 11:24 AM

To fix his crooked front tooth, he will need Invisalign.

by Anonymousreply 32January 10, 2024 12:28 PM

The G7 are the self-proclaimed greatest liberal democracies that believe they should run the world. No one outside of the G7 gives a poop about it.

Macron requested an invitation to the BRICS summit, but was rejected. Gabriel has a lot of work to do.

by Anonymousreply 33January 10, 2024 3:09 PM

[quote]This would never happen in the US. Not for at least 30+ years - if then even.

I would love to be wrong about this, but I think it would take 3 more generations before an openly gay man could be president of the US. Meaning, the grandchildren of people who are just being born right now. And the grandchildren would be in their 30s so we're looking at the early 22nd century.

I hope I'm wrong about this, but what we can all agree on is that in the US right now a unicorn would have a better chance of being president than a gay man.

by Anonymousreply 34January 10, 2024 3:21 PM

France has not yet had an openly gay president either. We will have to see how king that takes. Attal is prime minister. He doesn’t face direct election by the public.

by Anonymousreply 35January 10, 2024 3:25 PM

[quote] I would love to be wrong about this, but I think it would take 3 more generations before an openly gay man could be president of the US.

We'll be a dictatorship for the next 60-100 years

by Anonymousreply 36January 10, 2024 3:33 PM

Sue me, but I think his snaggletooth is cute

by Anonymousreply 37January 10, 2024 6:29 PM

Gabriel is not quite ready for his closeup unless he keeps his mouth shut.

by Anonymousreply 38January 10, 2024 10:06 PM

Very cute. In R2's picture, they look so much alike that it looks like one of those double-exposure yearbook photos or perhaps a publicity still for Bergman's "Persona."

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by Anonymousreply 39January 10, 2024 10:08 PM

I think you're spot on R34. 3 more generations sounds much more realistic and reasonable. However, the US is becoming more and more religious and religion is permeating politics and policy more and more so who knows.

by Anonymousreply 40January 10, 2024 10:10 PM

Beau mec xo

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by Anonymousreply 41January 10, 2024 10:21 PM

R40, the US is actually getting less religious, maybe it just seems otherwise because the religious right is so obnoxious

by Anonymousreply 42January 10, 2024 10:22 PM

In less than a week there will be Attal-Trudeau-Macron slash fiction.

There are dozens of Tudeau-Macron stories.

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by Anonymousreply 43January 11, 2024 6:23 PM

[quote][R40], the US is actually getting less religious, maybe it just seems otherwise because the religious right is so obnoxious

We'll simply take control, as you disappear...

by Anonymousreply 44January 11, 2024 6:28 PM


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by Anonymousreply 45January 11, 2024 8:00 PM

beau cul

by Anonymousreply 46January 11, 2024 8:05 PM

Is that really him? Because that's pretty succulent.

by Anonymousreply 47January 11, 2024 8:05 PM

[quote]Very cute. In [R2]'s picture, they look so much alike that it looks like one of those double-exposure yearbook photos or perhaps a publicity still for Bergman's "Persona."

They’re both male, white and have the same hair colour. You must be missing that gene. How do you tell squares from circles?

by Anonymousreply 48January 11, 2024 8:19 PM

R47- That’s WAY too much ass. He needs ass reduction surgery.

by Anonymousreply 49January 11, 2024 8:20 PM

I was misled, not him

by Anonymousreply 50January 11, 2024 8:21 PM

R22, That front tooth.

by Anonymousreply 51January 11, 2024 8:24 PM

My God, that one front tooth looks like it's trying to escape.

by Anonymousreply 52January 11, 2024 8:30 PM

[quote]This would never happen in the US. Not for at least 30+ years - if then even.

A gay cabinet minister would never happen in the US? Isn't that equivalent to a US cabinet secretary? Pete B has been in the cabinet for three years now.

by Anonymousreply 53January 11, 2024 8:32 PM

R45 Whoa!

by Anonymousreply 54January 11, 2024 8:46 PM

Justin speaks!!

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by Anonymousreply 55January 11, 2024 8:55 PM

Justin likes Gabriel.

by Anonymousreply 56January 11, 2024 8:57 PM

It's more akin to Biden picking Attal as his Vice President, r53. France has already had out gay government ministers in the past (Mitterand, Beaune) and the just today sacked French foreign secretary is said to be a lesbian who had a torrid affair with Nicola Sturgeon, but she isn't out.

And now I'm reading that the new French foreign secretary is Stéphane Séjourné, Attal's partner or maybe ex-partner.

by Anonymousreply 57January 11, 2024 8:57 PM

Et en François

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by Anonymousreply 58January 11, 2024 8:58 PM


by Anonymousreply 59January 11, 2024 8:59 PM

I'm sorry to leave you with the kids again, Chasten, but I'm needed in Paris immediately for certain hot and sweaty negotiations.

by Anonymousreply 60January 11, 2024 8:59 PM

He does, R56.

I hope Brian isn't jealous.

by Anonymousreply 61January 11, 2024 9:00 PM

Attal was of course himself also a government minister - for education no less - before becoming prime minister.

by Anonymousreply 62January 11, 2024 9:06 PM

Attal is like neither an ordinary cabinet minister nor a US viice-president. A US Vice President has almost no defined duties and almost no powers. Attal does. Attal also doesn’t become president if Macron cannot serve out his term.

by Anonymousreply 63January 11, 2024 10:07 PM

Attal is like the Vice President in that it's very possible he will stand for president one day and that's partly why Macron chose him. The comparison isn't so much about the specific duties but to show that the French prime minister is more than just a US cabinet minister.

by Anonymousreply 64January 11, 2024 11:31 PM

I see London, I see France....I want to see Gabriel in his underpants

by Anonymousreply 65January 11, 2024 11:36 PM

R64. Yes. I got your original point and understand why you made it. But if Americans can’t understand état a prime minister is, comparing him to something he’s really not isn’t going to clear it up for them. He has much greater current importance than a Vice President without any of the possible automatic paths to even greater future importance

by Anonymousreply 66January 11, 2024 11:55 PM

Interestingly his husband Stephane Sejourne has just been appointed Foreign Minister in Attal’s cabinet.

by Anonymousreply 67January 12, 2024 12:08 AM

Here’s a good primer for my fellow clueless Americans.

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by Anonymousreply 68January 12, 2024 12:50 AM

Does that make him a "nepo baby," R67?

by Anonymousreply 69January 12, 2024 1:05 AM

R68 Macron is making sure his new cabinet leans further right. It's a shrewd move.

by Anonymousreply 70January 12, 2024 1:08 AM

They split up, r67.

by Anonymousreply 71January 12, 2024 2:18 AM

In which case, R71, his ex-husband is in his cabinet!

by Anonymousreply 72January 12, 2024 2:45 AM

The war of words with his supposed school bully, Juan Branco, going on at present in the media is hilarious. Branco claims Attal is not the fragile bullying victim he claims to be but rather was himself a 'mean girl' bully while in school.

“Great propaganda”: Juan Branco responds to accusations of harassment Gabriel Attal

During 'Sept à huit' tv program interview, Gabriel Attal revealed that he had been the victim of school harassment, targeting Juan Branco, a former classmate, without naming him. The latter reacted on Twitter denouncing “a victimization operation”.

Juan Branco described Gabriel Attal as "the executioner, and not the victim", and asking him to "find a little decency" after having recounted at length his version of the events of the time. "Very sure of himself, part of the cream of the crop, he attacked without restraint those more fragile than himself, making repeated jokes about the homeless, the poor, public schools... and claiming with pride and contempt his superiority", wrote Branco.

Pic of them together in a group photo while attending the posh private school, 'École alsacienne', in Paris's 6th arrondissement at link-

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by Anonymousreply 73January 12, 2024 4:30 AM

Macron is still hot af to me. Dump was very interested in his sex life so I bet he gets into some hot shit.

by Anonymousreply 74January 12, 2024 4:34 AM

He looks like he was a little shit.

by Anonymousreply 75January 12, 2024 4:34 AM

Manu sure knows how to pick 'em.

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by Anonymousreply 76January 12, 2024 4:41 AM

Recent tweet @Juan Branco's X account-

Five years ago, as part of a long investigation, I drew the portrait of a politician with baby teeth in whom no one was yet interested.

A certain Gabriel Attal.

It was 2018, and this book, entitled Crépuscule, demonstrated how the rise of Emmanuel Macron, far from the spontaneous democratic phenomenon, had taken root on an oligarchic fabrication that Attal would soon propel.

I described, in mirror image, their two journeys. We were in 2018, and this work, which offered an unprecedented insight into the way power was constructed in France, would immediately cause a scandal, seeing itself violently attacked by a press under orders that I knew intimately, and whose owners, panicked by secrets that I revealed, after having adored me, would spread throughout Paris claiming that it was all lies, resentment and deception.

Five years later, everything is there. Gabriel Attal, who was a nobody, a 28-year-old MP boosted by his lover, has just been appointed Prime Minister. And the confirmation of what was announced will have to question those who, throughout this period, will have blandly believed what they were told about this text, or will have remained silent for fear of being ostracized.

When the book was published - it was the fall of 2018 - the yellow vests had not yet set out, and Paris was cooing with love for this power that the rest of France abhorred.

No one recognized themselves in these beings who were supposed to represent them, patent liars who, claiming to finance the ecological transition, created a fuel tax to finance the CICE, a tax exemption for the wealthiest.

Gabriel, who was then only a first-time MP boosted by his lover, therefore, Stéphane Séjourné, political advisor to the President, had obtained his constituency for small amounts of money, and was trying to make his way through this magma. He met his partner after being propelled at the age of 22 to the office of the Minister of Health Marisol Touraine by the graces of his daughter, alongside his future spouse Olivier Véran and Benjamin Griveaux. 6,000 euros per month, driver and secretarial services for a young man who had not yet graduated - privileges which will now be guaranteed to him for life - that is something to seduce and excite.

With no professional background or qualifications to offer, we heard him laboriously defend two reforms, Parcoursup and the SNU in the National Assembly, alternating between the insignificant and the catastrophic. He stuttered slightly, and as always when he feared that his imposture would be revealed, or that his lies would be detected, let a crooked smile dominate him.

Gabriel was already going out of his way to get into the government, and these articles, in Macron, constituted powerful arguments. The rumor rustled among his fellow deputies. Powerful forces accompanied him. (continues at link)

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by Anonymousreply 77January 12, 2024 4:52 AM

Already he's being touted as the Antichrist.

by Anonymousreply 78January 12, 2024 4:57 AM

[quote]Very sure of himself, part of the cream of the crop,

I want the cream!

by Anonymousreply 79January 12, 2024 4:57 AM

You know people think that gay men are inferior when they say lover instead of boyfriend or partner.

by Anonymousreply 80January 12, 2024 4:59 AM

[quote] Macron requested an invitation to the BRICS summit, but was rejected.

BRICS! Talk about actual loser countries!

by Anonymousreply 81January 12, 2024 5:04 AM

I had no idea they had a President AND a prime minister.

by Anonymousreply 82January 12, 2024 5:08 AM

Juan Branco and Gabriel Attal need to fuck and get over it.

by Anonymousreply 83January 12, 2024 5:11 AM

It’s not exactly unheard of , R82. One is head of state and the other is head of government.

by Anonymousreply 84January 12, 2024 6:16 AM

More from Juan-

The rumor rustled among his fellow deputies. Powerful forces accompanied him. Barely elected, his first steps were immortalized in Paris Match. Nothing was said about who he was. A photograph reclining, cup of wine in hand, put him forward advantageously, talking about Fort Boyard and Orelsan, in the sun, in a lascivious pose, shirt open to the BHL, on the quays of Paris in front of the Seine and the Grand Palace. Paris Match, at 28? There are hundreds of thousands of readers every week. Every week, Gabriel, this summer, would be shown there.

How did he do it? Paris rustled and began to wonder. Gabriel was rushing. It was that after having laid siege to his Versailles lover, Séjourné had arranged a meeting for him with Brigitte who in the government, with Blanquer had promoted him, and with Mimi Marchand and a few other pimps and traffickers, introduced him . It was they who, through maneuvering, had fabricated these articles that Paris Match and Bruno Jeudy were content to publish.

France, as we have said, is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy where the control of image is equivalent to policy and opinion. Only those who have not read Crépuscule will be surprised, let alone congratulate themselves, at this prodigious journey that all the press will praise you.

For Gabriel Attal, it’s a relief. Here he is at the head of state, as he dreamed of and announced since the age of 14. He who posed in his yearbook of the Alsatian school with his head leaning against the photograph of Georges Pompidou, who has never had any professional experience apart from a busy internship at the Villa Medici, was unable to complete his schooling at SciencesPo, laughs in private at the homeless and at public schools, which does not have the slightest ounce of humanity in it, will always have known how to free ride to get ahead. Even though his Master's degree had to be snatched away thanks to a favor from François-Antoine Mariani, soon to be advisor to Edouard Philippe, who wanted to avoid a humiliating repetition of a year, he was consecrated.

So what does Gabriel, his flaws and his wounds, matter. Its intimacy, and its gaps, explored and exposed. His lack of intellectuality, of a relationship with the world and of experience of any reality, this boundless and unscrupulous ambition which has consumed and devoured him since he was a child, preventing him from any relationship with others. and to every thought. All this is quality in a world where vices are always rewarded.

I predict great success for Gaby, who has, in three years in government and seven years of political career, never done or demonstrated anything, but above all brought nothing to the community. And I predict that you will, again and again, have to pay them to cover up the inadequacies, in a hard and fast way, as we will always have done.

by Anonymousreply 85January 12, 2024 6:52 AM

[quote]Jewish on his father's side, raised Catholic by his mother. What are the odds he's cut? (If mama liked it like that, perhaps....)

R11, yeah, Attal could be cut since his father was Jewish and may have been cut. Surveys show that 90% of circumcised fathers choose to circumcise their sons:

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by Anonymousreply 86January 12, 2024 7:19 AM

[quote]You know people think that gay men are inferior when they say lover instead of boyfriend or partner.nd

It does sound trashy now, but, years ago, gay men often referred to their partners as their lovers, before "partner" became the preferred term.

by Anonymousreply 87January 12, 2024 7:21 AM

R80, I agree with what you're saying, but always found the phrase 'his male lover' titillating for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 88January 12, 2024 7:23 AM

Cute guy. France is commended.

We have Pete. Chasten may not allow him to travel to France.

Miss Lindsey? She prefers the ‘daddy’ types.

by Anonymousreply 89January 12, 2024 7:48 AM

R82. How many parliamentary republics can you make that DON’T have both a prime minister and a president or its equivalent?

by Anonymousreply 90January 12, 2024 11:49 AM

Do you suppose he masturbates?

by Anonymousreply 91January 12, 2024 12:25 PM

R90 correct.

It if I were to give the dolt upthread any possible credit (I’m not, really) it would only be to say that in such republics the president is almost always a figurehead. France is a bit different in having a strong Presidential system while also maintaining a prime minister. That’s all I got.

by Anonymousreply 92January 12, 2024 12:29 PM

There's so much that we the general public don't know.

by Anonymousreply 93January 12, 2024 12:31 PM

[quote]Miss Lindsey? She prefers the ‘daddy’ types.

Gonna have to be about 198 years old to be Graham's daddy.

by Anonymousreply 94January 12, 2024 12:34 PM

I wonder if he’s on Le Grindr.

by Anonymousreply 95January 12, 2024 12:41 PM

R92. Agreed it’s a basic piece of American ignorance that shows up repeatedly, particularly on monarchy threads where the main American argument always seems to be that the UK could eliminate the monarchy and not replace it

by Anonymousreply 96January 12, 2024 1:32 PM

he's a peach

by Anonymousreply 97January 12, 2024 1:37 PM

[quote]it’s a basic piece of American ignorance that shows up repeatedly, particularly on monarchy threads where the main American argument always seems to be that the UK could eliminate the monarchy and not replace it

Hardly ignorance. We did it a couple hundred years ago. I certainly don't regret it.

by Anonymousreply 98January 12, 2024 1:41 PM

R98. Yea. And our government today is the envy of democracies everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 99January 12, 2024 1:43 PM

Clean cut men in a well tailored suit are sexy AF.

Let's hope he's intelligent & well tempeed enough to do a great job.

by Anonymousreply 100January 12, 2024 2:09 PM

In the old days, we all said "lover." Who's John's lover? Does Tom have a lover? They have been lovers for a long time.

Lovers were not necessarily exclusive (though of course some were). When a straight person said "Tom and his friend John" there was ambiguity. Lovers were much clearer, as well as overtly sex positive.

In our bid to become respectable (same sex marriage....) "lovers" got left in the dust. Oooo, don't make the straight people have to think about sex!

by Anonymousreply 101January 12, 2024 3:08 PM

I had a lov-ah.

by Anonymousreply 102January 12, 2024 3:29 PM

[quote] "lovers" got left in the dust

Not for all of us.

by Anonymousreply 103January 12, 2024 6:34 PM

I have a live-in lover!!

by Anonymousreply 104January 12, 2024 7:37 PM

My Lov-uh had flav-uh.

by Anonymousreply 105January 12, 2024 8:14 PM

My lefty progressive straight French friends already hate him with a passion.

by Anonymousreply 106January 12, 2024 8:30 PM

[quote] I'd hit that hard

Really hard

by Anonymousreply 107January 12, 2024 8:54 PM

R45 Good lord - holy fuck that is an amazing ass.

by Anonymousreply 108January 12, 2024 8:56 PM

But it's not Attal's ass, per R50 (and anyway I don't think he'd jeopardize his career by taking pictures of his ass).

by Anonymousreply 109January 12, 2024 9:17 PM

R109 you mean that is a faux ass? I thought the French were all about authenticity.

by Anonymousreply 110January 12, 2024 9:20 PM

I've Got a Lover (Back in Japan)!

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by Anonymousreply 111January 12, 2024 10:11 PM

[quote]In our bid to become respectable (same sex marriage....) "lovers" got left in the dust. Oooo, don't make the straight people have to think about sex!

A lot of 'woke' straight liberals have started using "partner" instead of "girlfriend"/"boyfriend," because the latter brings attention to the genitals, thus excluding trans/nonbinaries. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 112January 12, 2024 10:17 PM

R112, that's not true. Straight people have used the term partner for years. You just want to pick on trans people

by Anonymousreply 113January 12, 2024 10:21 PM

R112 is right. Woke straight liberals use partner because 1) they aren't married, and/or 2) they want to relate to the people who (it used to be) couldn't get married, and/or 3) they think it is cool not to identify the gender of their partner via saying husband or wife.

Some of us say husband when we want to stick it in their eye....

by Anonymousreply 114January 13, 2024 3:04 AM

Lots of straight people use the term "partner" not just "woke" ones but, again, the DL conservative brigade never misses a chance to attack "woke" people

by Anonymousreply 115January 13, 2024 3:14 AM

His husband looks like he should be prime minister, not this kid.

by Anonymousreply 116January 13, 2024 3:17 AM

R115. I would not consider myself part of any conservative anything. But there is performative extreme liberalism that I do call woke since it is all about showing what a good ally or whatever you are.

by Anonymousreply 117January 13, 2024 4:36 AM

^ Yeah, how dare people be allies!

by Anonymousreply 118January 13, 2024 5:11 AM

Be one, you don't need to show off that you want everyone to think you are one.

by Anonymousreply 119January 13, 2024 4:55 PM

Which could said also of you and your use of meaningless conservative buzzwords

by Anonymousreply 120January 13, 2024 5:07 PM

R45, Justin Trudeau has just been unseated as Best Booty on a Male Politician!

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by Anonymousreply 121January 13, 2024 5:18 PM

I never realized it, but I guess Canada really is a nation that must have equally close ties to the Uk and France. Both are sort of relevant mother nations, even though one is still under the heel of the British King.

by Anonymousreply 122January 13, 2024 5:26 PM

Attal boy deserves an atta girl like me: I'll pop his cork so hard, he'll be shaking and mumbling for half an hour.

by Anonymousreply 123January 13, 2024 5:31 PM

Separate close ties, not equal.

by Anonymousreply 124January 13, 2024 5:32 PM

R122. Perhaps you can explain how Canada is under the heel of a British king. It might help the rest of us who don’t know what the hell you are taking about to hear it from an expert.

by Anonymousreply 125January 13, 2024 11:25 PM

R121, as pointed out above, the ass in question is not Attal's, so Justin Trudeau is still on top.

by Anonymousreply 126January 14, 2024 7:02 AM

[quote] Justin Trudeau is still on top.

Pity, that.

by Anonymousreply 127January 14, 2024 10:15 AM

His (apparently ex) partner was also named Foreign Minister. Did they split because of political rivalry a la Hollande and Royal? Who will come out on top (pun intended)?

by Anonymousreply 128January 14, 2024 11:24 AM

[quote]Perhaps you can explain how Canada is under the heel of a British king.

Explain why the British monarch is plastered all over Canadian money...

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by Anonymousreply 129January 15, 2024 10:43 AM

R114...eldergay69...love your response. If you really want to stick it in their eye, say "This is my lover." Then watch the reaction! They'll give you an odd look, wondering...LOL!

by Anonymousreply 130January 15, 2024 12:04 PM

Because he's King of Canada as well, under the Canadian constitution.

by Anonymousreply 131January 15, 2024 12:11 PM

R129!! Thank: I had absolutely no. Idea the British monarch was on (some) Canadian money. That is oppressive! How do Canadians cope? Things are almost as bad in the US, however, where we remain under the heel of. A handful of 18th snd 19th century guys.

by Anonymousreply 132January 15, 2024 12:16 PM

Benjamin Franklin is our oppressor! The heel of his boot!

by Anonymousreply 133January 15, 2024 12:20 PM

R131. Is he really????

by Anonymousreply 134January 15, 2024 12:25 PM


by Anonymousreply 135January 15, 2024 12:41 PM

Chuckles the Clown

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by Anonymousreply 136January 15, 2024 12:43 PM

Americans fought (and won) a war to be free of the British monarchy. Canadians did not.

by Anonymousreply 137January 15, 2024 12:45 PM

This all so new to me! I had no idea Charles was king of Canada! Can someone from Canada explain? Is it like North Korea there?

by Anonymousreply 138January 15, 2024 12:47 PM

R129 and R132 - it's because The Queen was and now the King is the head of state because Canada is a commonwealth country.

by Anonymousreply 139January 15, 2024 12:48 PM

R139. Thanks to you and all the Americans posting here.! So, Charles is head of state in EVERY commonwealth country. That’s a lot of countries! I had no idea!

Can some Canadians (or Americans if no Canadians are available) explain how oppressive daily life in Canada is under this system? Does essentially everyone want to emigrate to the United States to enjoy feeding.

by Anonymousreply 140January 15, 2024 1:13 PM


by Anonymousreply 141January 15, 2024 1:20 PM

R137. Bravo to America! The American democracy is the envy of all western democracies. America has much of which to be proud! Go America!

by Anonymousreply 142January 15, 2024 1:23 PM

Subtlety ain’t your strong point, repeating poster person.

by Anonymousreply 143January 15, 2024 1:36 PM

R143. Thanks so much for the input! Having a functioning brain and avoiding repetition are the string points of the idiot(s) posting repeatedly about Canada. I will shut yo when they shut their moronic chauvinistic mouths.

by Anonymousreply 144January 15, 2024 1:41 PM

[quote]R139. Thanks to you and all the Americans posting here.!

I'm Australian. We're also a commonwealth country with King Charles as head of state and previously Queen Elizabeth. They are both on our money and on official symbols. Do we like it? No not really. But it is what it is because we are still a commonwealth country and it is our history. To leave the commonwealth we will need to have a national referendum which will probably happen in the next few years. There was a general agreement that we would remain in the commonwealth while Queen Elizabeth was alive and then bust a move after her death and a respectful amount of time had passed. Canada possibly had the same general agreement but I can't speak for Canadians.

Anyway - you got the feeding bit right. You sound like a bit of a twat.

by Anonymousreply 145January 15, 2024 1:53 PM

You are Australian and you don’t realise that there is no connection between being a commonwealth country and having Charles as head of state? Honestly?

You did have a referendum and the vote was to retain the monarchy.

What is this agreement you speak of? Who entered into it and when? How could Canada have agreed this when the Canadian constitution makes it pretty complicated to remove the monarch?

by Anonymousreply 146January 15, 2024 2:04 PM

R140, no, Charles isn't the head of state in every Commonwealth country.

by Anonymousreply 147January 15, 2024 2:13 PM

[quote]You are Australian and you don’t realise that there is no connection between being a commonwealth country and having Charles as head of state? Honestly?

What in the fuck are you even talking about R145?

We will have ANOTHER referendum now that Queen Elizabeth has gone. The 1999 referendum failed because Australians did not want a US style president or political system and that was the model proposed for he 1999 referendum. We very specifically look at your never-ending shitshow of a country and make notes on things we never want to see happen in Australia. Like your corrupt clownshow political situation.

Like I clearly said - I can't speak for Canadians.

Now just fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 148January 15, 2024 2:14 PM

R139. Châties is NOT the king In the vast majority of commonwealth countries. That is what I am talking about (your being an idiot).

There was no agreement when the last referendum was held that there would be another after the Queen died. There may well be, but there was no agreement.

It’s perfectly reasonable for Australie to remove the monarchy. That’s not the point. . The point is the idiocy of the posts here.

I am not British also

by Anonymousreply 149January 15, 2024 2:20 PM

Can you just die R149? You're not worth talking to and your French is creeping into your posts.

by Anonymousreply 150January 15, 2024 2:51 PM

I’ll die when people stop posting chauvinistic idiocy here (I.e., probably never).

by Anonymousreply 151January 15, 2024 3:13 PM

I don't know why Canada or Australia would particularly want to end commonwealth affiliation or get rid of their constitutional monarchy. I'm American though. I wish we had a governor general that could have fired our head of government. There are times in our (recent) history that this would have been helpful.

by Anonymousreply 152January 15, 2024 3:42 PM

[quote]I wish we had a governor general that could have fired our head of government.

Congress could have “fired” the President via impeachment. The Senate did not vote in favor of removing Dump. The American people could remedy this by “firing” these problematic Senators via the ballot box. This won’t happen because too few Americans actually vote.

by Anonymousreply 153January 15, 2024 5:42 PM

The US constitution has more undemocratic elements than most of the countries in which Charles is head of state.

by Anonymousreply 154January 15, 2024 6:33 PM

He does look like a schoolboy in certain photos.

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by Anonymousreply 155February 6, 2024 8:28 AM

I bet Pete B. would tap that ass.

by Anonymousreply 156February 6, 2024 8:32 AM

R156 I know this is off topic, but I sure wish Pete was running for president. Not because he's gay, but because he's a Democrat that is not a pensioner yet. I'll vote for Biden, if he's still alive, only because he's not Trump.

by Anonymousreply 157February 6, 2024 9:53 AM

How is he doing?

by Anonymousreply 158February 6, 2024 8:28 PM

R158, too early to tell?

by Anonymousreply 159February 7, 2024 12:58 AM

I didn't know his ex-husband, Stéphane Séjourné (broke up in 2022), also became France's foreign minister last month. The French are so messy!

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by Anonymousreply 160February 17, 2024 5:45 AM

Canada and Australia are Commonwealth realms, which means within the Commonwealth they share the same person who is head of state. Realms have precedence within the Commonwealth over regular members who do not have the sovereign as head of state. This precedence is why the seating at the Queen's funeral pushed the United States into the fourteenth row.

The Canadian Constitution makes it pretty hard to replace the monarchy. At the time, the demographics of the country still supported a Canadian constitutional monarchy and I am guessing Trudeau the elder decided not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good so to get the Constitution approved and repatriated he left the monarchy alone (I cannot see Trudeau as a monarchist but maybe he was was.).

It will take several votes at several levels, including a referendum to replace the monarchy. Opening up the Constitution is the national terror... because then Quebec starts its spoiled child routine and makes all kinds of demands to protect the "French nation" and then the lunatics in the West start demanding capital punishment or whatever pseudo American Clint Eastwood governance gets them hard.

Trudeau the Second Coming is such a brat about the crown. He loves going over there for photo ops but never invites them here (for official visits, the invitation has to come from the national government.) During the Queen's 70th Jubilee, Canada barely lifted a finger. Republican Australia commissioned a special medal awarded for community service (as had both nations for the 60th.) My guess is there's a quiet Liberal party strategy to let the monarchy atrophy here to the extent that at some point if there were a referendum they'd get a solid yes across the country. They're trying to sleep walk us into the change.

I quite like the monarch as our head of state. I grew up with it, so it's familiar, traditional and part of our history. But more, I think it suits us. When we were a strong country with an identity, we were a quiet country, not loud patriots. It was so Canadian polite. That our head of state was represented and was here only occasionally suited that tone. And the monarch was above politics. Elected heads of state are now just lightning rods for discontent. Bar the perpetually unhappy French and the West, I think the last prime minister who generally enjoyed wide support and affection was Jean Chretien, who left in 2003 (and that's arguable and his predecessors didn't all enjoy universal affection.) Since then, Prime Minister have become increasingly divisive. While the Crown doesn't enjoy universal affection, it could engender more respect if the government of the day would give it a clearer role in national life again. For better or worse, it is part of Canada. So find it a place. I don't know how this fractured country finds any common ground on someone to symbolize the nation. Hardly anybody can name the Governor General, who technically acts for the monarch and is always chosen by the government to reflect well on it somehow, for about an hour of publicity.

Canada faces a crisis right now in that we stand for nothing. We're just a bunch of people living in the same country. There is no shared anything anymore, because we let it wither and die under the wrong approach to multiculturalism. Instead of providing ample room for people to live their former traditions and cultures, we abandoned or ignored the good parts of our historic culture but failed to replace it with anything. And now... I don't even know what we are anymore. We used to have great health care and it was actually part of our identity, that universal safety, but it sucks now. I guess the only thing we've got is less gun violence than our neighbours, which isn't exactly much of an accomplishment.

by Anonymousreply 161February 17, 2024 1:25 PM

TL, DR. Sorry! ^

by Anonymousreply 162February 17, 2024 1:25 PM

And so it ends, after six months on the job.

[quote]French PM Attal: I will hand my resignation on Monday morning

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by Anonymousreply 163July 8, 2024 2:58 AM

Criminy ! What kind of nation allows fetuses' to govern them?

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by Anonymousreply 164July 8, 2024 3:31 AM

Macron refuses to accept the resignation of Gabriel Attal.

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by Anonymousreply 165July 8, 2024 2:35 PM
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by Anonymousreply 166July 8, 2024 11:32 PM

It's over.

[quote]Emmanuel Macron accepted the resignation of his prime minister and entire government on Tuesday after the snap election he called last month produced political deadlock. Gabriel Attal, Mr Macron’s 35-year-old “protégé” has been asked to stay on as prime minister in a caretaker role to oversee the upcoming Olympic Games, which end on August 11.

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by Anonymousreply 167July 16, 2024 7:57 PM

He had a hot derrière, but he couldn't be prime minister forever.

by Anonymousreply 168July 16, 2024 8:02 PM
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