Old shit on TV (part 2)

Speaking of Florida Friebus, I loved The Adventures Of Dobie Gillis. Frank Faylen as Dobie’s dad: “I gotta kill that boy - I just gotta.”

Didn’t December Bride follow or lead into I Love Lucy on Monday nights? This guaranteed that it was a hit. It had similarities - Byington and Verna Felton got into some elderly Lucy-Ethel-type scrapes. As a kid I thought it was funny, in reruns - it was also re-run next to ILL on CBS in the morning (mainly watched it in summer).

I'm watching Route 66 these days,

It was airing on MeTV+ for a long time until a few months ago. When they pulled it, I continued watching on Freevee.

Route 66 is on freevee? Cool. I loved that show. Martin Milner and George Maharis were hot together

I was a big fan of December Bride in morning reruns (too young to stay up to watch it in its original run) but just old enough by 1962 to enjoy its spin-off Pete & Gladys, which had for its time, the novel premise of introducing us to a lead character who had only been alluded to in the first series.

And that character was Gladys, married to good neighbor Pete, who was always dropping into Lily's (Spring Byington's) home to whine about his seemingly obstreperous wife. They were played by Harry Morgan (later on MASH, of course) and Cara Williams, a gorgeous redhead (nothing like what we expected from Pete's whining) who was being touted as the next Lucy. I think Williams, who had apreviously been nominated for a Supporting Actress Oscar, got a rep for being difficult. And I don't think she did much after this series.

The scripts weren't great though so, in spite of the big push CBS gave it, the series didn't last long. But I think it was one of the very first spin-offs in TV history. I loved it, never missed it. It probably doesn't hold up at all.

KOJAK

John Ritter '74

Watched some MacGyver, Love Boat, and Becker on Pluto but am now watching Caroline in the City and flashing back to when this was on broadcast tv in the 90's and wanting Del and Richard to make porn together. Throw in Charlie and his rollerblades.

Larry, Whitey and Gilbert are in a tree spying on Miss Landers having dinner at the Cleavers. They're surprised to see her...toes.

Any Wiseguy fans? The show is airing on Retro TV or RTV.

Some may be interested in the upcoming "Dead Dog Records" arc. Often considered the best arc, with lots of notable guest performers.

If interested, I put a post on the Wiseguy thread that gives more information.

On Svengoolie tonight...

Attention Turhan Bey fans!

On tonight...

I've been watching "Dobie Gillis" on FreeVee. Tuesday Weld and Warren Beatty disappear early on, but then you have the delights of Chatsworth's mother (the wonderful Doris Packer) as well as both of Patty Duke's parents in recurring roles. And of course Maynard G. Krebs was one of the greatest characters in TV history.

Gilligan wiped out America’s collective memory of Maynard.

Harold : Hazel how do I have to be before I can do whatever I want to?

Hazel: I don't know Sport. As far as I know no man has ever lived that long.

Snort.

My Favorite Matian is on TUBI. The premise is rather stupid but it's funny as hell.

Odetta was the guest star on Have Gun, Will Travel. I thought it was interesting that Peggy Rea who cast the show also had a part in the episode.

I didn't remember that Zasu did a Perry Mason episode.

Tonight...Sister Season Hubley on Kojak

Was r13 supposed to make sense? I think it's missing a few words.

As newlyweds, my folks got a TV set specifically to watch Dobie Gillis.

Del on "Caroline in the City" was hot AF!

R17 That Hubley bitch was everywhere for a while.

[quote] Then I saw Florida Friebus

I’ll see your Florida Friebus and raise you a Toppie Smellie.

MeTV just cycled back to the Mark Shera seasons of "Barnaby Jones." He was so gorgeous. Would love to know where he is today (I think he left the business several years ago).

One Day At A Time was so dumb. Bonnie was annoying. Valerie was stupid and clueless. Alex was gay.

Toppie Smellie sounds like a kind of turd.

R22 Mark Shera (now 74) is still in the Los Angeles area. His Linkedin says that he's been working for the last 28 years as an "ADR Loop Group" coordinator for films and TV series. The company name is BACKTALK.

In 2020, a longtime friend of Shera's, Barbara Deutsch, put a New Years photo up on her Instagram that included Mark. Someone asked her if "Mark does any social media?", and her reply was, "No, he doesn't." So this photo of him is about four years old now:

L-R are: Mark Shera, Barbara Deutsch, Bob Garrett (PING!), and Julie McDonald

btw - Barbara was a young actress herself when she appeared as Mark's partner on the couple's game show, "Tattletales" in 1977. It was a "Barnaby Jones" game with Buddy Ebsen and Lee Meriwether with their spouse/partner's at the time. Young Barbara went on to marry actor, Michael Lembeck, a few months later.

And here Mark and Bob are back in the day with Cheryl Barnes. Cute.

Bob is a longtime dialogue, vocal, singing coach. He seems to know everyone.

Is there a Mrs, Garrett, r26?

It takes a lot to make someone who looks like Lee Merriweather look like a dumpy frau. The costumers on Barnaby Jones were somehow able to do it though.

R27 I've never seen any kind of husband in the picture, and Garrett's FB page indicates he's "Single."

Yes, r29, there *is* a Mrs. Garrett.

Speaking of old sitcoms, Bob Garrett wrote the lyrics to the "Gimme a Break" theme song used in the first two seasons.

R4 Cara Williams had her own TV show in the 1964-65 season. As I recall, the lyrics to the theme song were simply “Cara…Cara” sung by a female vocalist. Frank Aletter played her husband. And yes, I think she disappeared from TV after that.

For any Britcom fans reading this, the plot of that show was done much better in a 1980s show named “Executive Stress” starring Penelope Keith and either Peter Bowles or Geoffrey Palmer as the husband, depending on which series/season of the show.

Cara was also in...

R15, Odette was outstanding in that episode. Her bearing, her aura was indescribable.

Lee Merriwether is extraordinary

We all have an actor or two that we wish had a bigger career. Lee is one for me.

Lee. Pre Barnaby Frau.

Lee Merriwether as Betty Jones was really quite unique

r35/r38 - Is she any relation to Lee Meriwether?

a distant cousin.

Meow.....

There she is...

That bitch is pussywether

JFC! This is a Methuselah thread if there ever was one on DL!

Lee was married to Frank Aletter, mentioned above.

I watch BJ every night for several hours on Pluto

Lee is in every episode as Betty

Didn't she carry the show for like the last three seasons? Barnaby was show looking through his microscope.

R44 We’re here, we’re queer, and we’re old as Methuselah.

[quote]JFC! This is a Methuselah thread if there ever was one on DL!

Do you have reading comprehension problems, r44? Did you blindly come to this thread without reading its title? Or...are you just so desperate for attention that you'll accept negative attention? That's what children do, you know.

But Methuselah didn't own a television machine.

As a child watching morning TV in the ‘60s, I loved watching really old series like “My Little Margie,” “December Bride,” “Burns and Allen,” “Our Miss Brooks,” “The Thin Man,” with Peter Lawford and Phyllis Kirk and “Mr. Adams and Eve,” with Ida Lupino and Howard Duff. And “Amos ‘n’ Andy,” before it was permanently yanked in the mid-‘60s.

Sterling Silliphant was involved with both “Route 66” and “Naked City,” and the two series often cycled guest actors from the set of NC in NY to the southern locations of R66. Though I think “Naked City” was the better series (more adult and hard-hitting) you can feel how prescient “Route 66” was in anticipating the stresses and conflicts of the end of that decade — all of the anger, restlessness, disillusion, the sense that old ways weren’t working anymore, the way women were breaking out of their traditional roles — it’s all there when ypu look back at those episodes. In Glenn Corbett’s first episode replacing George Maharis, he plays a Vietnam vet tortured by PTSD (when it was still called shell shock) who is trying to become a Buddhist, furious about what he had to do and witness over there. And this was in 1963!

Don't forget Mrs. Steele's episode...

R25/R26, thank you! That was a great update on Mark. I really appreciate it. Nice to know he's doing well. Just out of curiosity, do you know if he ever married and had a family? I do recall someone posting on DL about him a long time ago and saying that he's straight.

By the way, though Mark isn't on social media, I believe Lee Meriwether is. She's 88 now.

*Miss Billingsley's dresses by De De Johnson*

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DeDe invented pedal pushers!

1974 Kojak with Andrea Marcovicci...she was stunning.

This is on tonight. Think I'll skip it.

"Barney Miller" is still a very funny show. Holds up quite well.

Anyone catch That's My Mama! on Catchy!TV this week? Never heard of it seen it before. Catchy has featuring some rarely seen shows from the 70s.

Currently watching Newhart. Current scene features Larry, Daryll & Darryl selling pics of themselves posing with cars for "a buck a pic. Ten bucks for nudies!"

Oh, the lovely Ellen McRae is guesting on Perry Mason this morning.

Todsy on Perry...Anne Welles!

She looks like she could do with a couple of dolls, there.

Picked back up with Murder, She Wrote and as a child of the 80's who loved this show and murder mysteries, there are so many character and bit actors who were gay and are no longer with us. I'll look up and ep on IMDB and see so many attractive faces playing straight as Jessica's nephew or next door neighbor's son-in-law or whatever and they died in '92, or '95 and it's like a fingerprint time stamp on the impact of the plague from that time. Rest in power, kings. May your memory always be a blessing.

[quote]Today on Perry...Anne Welles!

Perry probably would've preferred to have Lyon Burke "on" him.

He probably would have preferred Mel, r63.

Was Paul Drake a big mo too?

He never got over the trauma of fathering Rhoda Penmark.

Oh look, Princess Leia was on Have Gun Will Travel...

Lightning Strikes Twice is on this evening...

I think the proper term is old as dirt.

Watching Night Tide...

The Friday night film on PBS was "Love Story" (1970).

Why is this some kind of classic? The acting is horrible. My boyfriend and I couldn't stop laughing. We had to turn it off after 20 minutes. There are better "Made for TV" movies than this.

It's not a classic, R71. It was a triumph of marketing over art even at the time, its main impetus having been that studio head Robert Evans fancied Ali McGraw and was determined she would be a star. It was a big hit on release, and then was never heard of again. It's not only the acting that's bad, it's the Hallmark story as well. The novel was a bestseller, but around the time that bestsellers were great works of literature such as Airport. Come to think of it, that great work of cinema, Airport, has been on TV and at retro cinemas way more often since the early 1970s than Love Story. Its idiotic marketing slogan, "Love means never having to say you're sorry" -- also a line from the film in case you didn't get that far -- was satirised at the time by just about every comedy writer living, and then was deservedly forgotten. Astoundingly, Evans's next hit was The Godfather, which essentially erased Love Story from history.

Ali McGraw, under the delusion that she WAS a star (and/or that Love means never having to say you're sorry), left Evans for Steve McQueen on her next movie and, happily for all, was virtually never seen again.

I was in middle school at the time, and I still remember vividly how dreadful it was and how, for about a year, it was wherever you looked. It was a Swiftian situation, but whether Taylor or Jonathan I leave you to deduce.

I can't believe this has devolved into a discussion of Love Story, but my two cents is that I saw it again not too long ago and it holds up pretty well.

R72 Thanks for the reply. I thought it must be considered some kind of "classic" because that's basically how PBS promotes the movies they show on Friday and Saturday nights.

It *is* a classic, r74, but it's still a piece of dreck.

But it's the biggest piece of dreck you'll ever love. Until you get to The Other Side of the Mountain.

You have to remember that Segal wrote it as a screenplay first and they put it out as a book first and the book was *huge*....but still dreck. The movie was going to be a success no matter who they cast or how bad it was.

As a young gayling I loved both Love Story and The Other Side of the Mountain (when Jill picks up that potato chip… Mary!) — both the movies and the books.

There were certain movies that I would see on tv once a year or so that really just imprinted on me. Not sure that would happen now since media is consumed in such a different manner.

I just watched The Other Side of the Mountain. Marilyn Hassett should have had a bigger career. Much bigger. She was more appealing than Ali MacGraw. Not that the bar wasn't low but she could act circles around Ali. Marilyn made corn poe respectable.

WHET Marilyn Hassett?

Marilyn and Natasha Richardson look like twins.

R80 Hassett left the business for almost a decade. In 1988, the Los Angeles Times ran a short interview referring to her a "missing person" and she told the interviewer:

[quote] “I walked out on a career,” she said. “I was trying to keep a failing marriage (to “Other Side” director Larry Peerce) together and couldn’t. Then there was an extremely emotional divorce, which a sea cruise or a year of therapy wasn’t going to quickly overcome. But when I finally felt strong enough to work again, a lot of people didn’t think I was serious.”

Getting back in proved difficult, and she mentioned this again in 1991 when she was a guest on Tom Hatten's local KTLA film/interview show that was broadcasting The Other Side of the Mountain 1/2. (link below)

She's on Instagram, but rarely posts. Her most recent one was from December 2020. Due to old shows being picked up by streamers, she had a photo showing what looked like a pile of residual checks joking that she's finally back at work. The location on her photo said West Hollywood, California. She was also seen at a West Hollywood art gallery showing for painter Danny Minnick in 2017. (link in next post).

2017

Wow, she looks great in R83’s picture.

She was good in both Other Side of the Mountain movies.

I think was on an episode of Hotel.

Don't forget Olivia's gorgeous theme to The Other Side of the Mountain.

PBS does not show movies on Friday nights. Your local PBS station does.

The old show that doesn't seem to get much love anywhere, including DL, is My Three Sons. The show was on for 12 seasons yet just seems so forgotten. I love the show.

COZI TV shows Columbo reruns. The original series in the 1970s have so many actors in small or supporting roles who later became famous, but virtually every actor from the 1980s series - except the guest star playing the villain - is a nobody. It’s amazing to see so many actors in a tv series that you never saw again. It’s like the casting director was batting zero. Even the guest stars look terrible.

Tonight on Svengoolie...

I Love Lucy was never not entertaining and it's enduring.

Tonight on The Lucy Show:

[quote]Lucy schemes to measure a burly and unsuspecting pal (Clint Walker) for a sweater she's knitting. Lucy: Lucille Ball. Mooney: Gale Gordon. Mary Jane: Mary Jane Croft.

On Kojak: Jennifer Hair Warren murders her hoodlum husband.

R88 I think the situation about the supporting players may have been because Columbo was produced by Universal, and I believe the studio still had some kind contract player mechanism at work at that point in time. I remember reading an interview with Howard McGillin (who's primarily known today for his work on Broadway) wherein he said he was among the last of these type of players signed by Universal, and yep, he was on Columbo.

Route 66 had the best theme song.

r94=Nelson Riddle

Peter Gunn theme song is iconic.

r96=Henry Mancini

The father-in law of The Who’s Pete Townshend’s wrote the theme song to The Saint

Two snaps, two snaps, one snap, shimmy!

I hate the current vogue for having minimal opening credits. The theme song or tune is a great casualty of this silly idea.

The Patty Duke Show. Another sitcom where parents just leave their kid for someone else to raise.

See: Family Affair (And Uncle Bill left the kids to be watched over by the swishy butler).

Well on Family Affair the parents didn't exactly drop their kids of and then go to Bermuda.

That we know of, r102.

Look how Harold’s parents dumped him on his uncle and moved to the Middle East on “Hazel.” Talk about cold-blooded!

I can't watch any of that season.

R105, neither can I. It was dreadful plus Shirley Booth seemed like she was totally over it.

[quote]Look how Harold’s parents dumped him on his uncle and moved to the Middle East on “Hazel.” Talk about cold-blooded!

Lucy Ricardo dumped Little Ricky when he was a baby and hightailed it to Hollywood where she could hang out with Hedda Hopper, John Wayne, Eve Arden, William Holden, Rock Hudson, Harpo Marx AND Don Loper. THEN dumps him again when she wants to swan off to Europe.

What about Princess Summerfall Winterspring OP?

Such a sad story, r108. She died in a car accident at 24.

On tonight...

*The Man I Love*

[quote]During an extended California visit, a singer wards off the propositions of her shady new boss, gets involved in the struggles of her siblings and falls for an ex-Jazz pianist. Read More

A shout out to Rita Norma Somers.

I've been watching "Four Star Playouse" on Tubi. It was a 1950s anthology series started by four film actors (DIck Powell, Ida Lupino, Charles Boyer, and David Niven) as their foray into television. The picture quality is pretty abysmal, but some of the stories are interesting and well-done. Lots of other movie star types show up too -- Ronald Colman and his wife, Merle Oberon, Joanne Woodward, Joan Fontaine, Dorothy Malone, Broderick Crawford, Maureen O' Sullivan -- and virtually every character actor working in Hollywood in the mid'50s.

Eddie Mekka and Lani O'Grady (in a bikini!) canoodling on The Love Boat.

R107, Little Ricky does come to Hollywood eventually; Lucy's mother brings him, but Lucy does leave him at home when they go to Europe.

R70, I’m late to the party, but I hope you enjoyed Night Tide. I remember it as a weird, haunting movie that stayed with me after it was over … but mainly I remember that Dennis Hopper was ridiculously handsome in it.

This is not a still from the movie, but I wanted to post shirtless Dennis from the same period.

Tonight on Svengoolie...

No one speaks of Angel Tompkins anymore, and that saddens me.

On today...

Lee Meriwhatever managed to look frumpiest as Andy Griffith’s pregnant wife in Angel In My Pocket. And her mom and brother were trash on it. Miscast.

Starting off my day with Billy Mumy, Connie Ford and Diane Ladd...

All day today on Catchy Comedy -

Sledge Hammer!

And why not?

Tonight on Hawaiian Eye:

[quote]*Kakua Woman*

[quote]Lopaka has two unlikely allies in a quest for an escaped killer---the man's wife . . . and his mistress. Carol: Stella Stevens. Grimes: Mike Road. Dora: Anita Loo. Cricket: Connie Stevens...

Diana Ross & The Supremes guest-starring on a 1968 episode of Ron Ely’s “Tarzan” TV series and, unfortunately here, singing.

Tonight on Kojak:

Mary Beth Hurt

Charles Kimbrough

and

Miss Page!

Miss Landers on Perry Mason this morning...

Not old TV but I just ran across this. I used to have it on VHS and I haven't seen it in years.

Oh no. Wally goes out with a good-time girl.

1960s Short Lived Tv Shows

The fabulous Nita Talbot (as Rowena) on Peter Gunn tonight.

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[quote] KOJAK -John Ritter ‘74

Kind of disappointed to read that Ritter used hookers.

Anne Francis wasn’t sexy to me. She was pretty, but not sexy. Too level headed.

I just ordered the complete series of "Maya" on DVD, liked it as a kid. Also picked up the complete "Brady Bunch" - 20 discs for only $25!

[quote]Anne Francis wasn’t sexy to me. She was pretty, but not sexy. Too level headed.

She was a doll, r133.

Oh noes, poor Tina!

KOJAK

Letters of Death

[quote]Through anonymous letters, a murderer blames her crimes on a model. Telly Savalas. Janelle: Cristina Raines. Marino: Stanley Kamel. Tyler: Bernard Behrens. Andre: Aharon Ipale. Eddie Hogan

Cristina Raines, Queen of the Overbite

Some men love a girl with an overbite, r137.

Mego Love Boat Playset!

R139 Does it come with a miniature vial of coke for Julie?

Marti Stevens was on The Love Boat today. Who?

I'm sorry but I just can't get into Make Room For Daddy.

R142 I also have trouble watching more than a handful of the episodes. Except for season 4, which was after Jean Hagen quit and the writers wrote her out of the show by having the character die. Now Danny was a single parent and had to struggle to raise his two young children without a mother. It wasn’t a typical 1950s situation comedy, and I watched that whole season. Once Marjorie Lord joined the show in season 5 as Danny’s second wife, I couldn’t watch anymore after a few episodes.

Incidentally, if Danny Thomas behaved like his TV character Danny Williams (angry, yelling, threatening) it may explain why Marlo became an angry, yelling, threatening adult. Danny belittled her as “Little Miss Know-It-All” rather than praising her for her intelligence. Not that it’s an excuse, but I cut Marlo a little slack because of Danny’s behavior towards her.

Oh dear...

The guest star on tonight's Quincy I Miss Janice Lynde. She was a replacement Eve in Applause. She also did the tour with Eleanor Parker which I saw.

R145 Reminds me that in 1976, NBC tried to build a half-hour sitcom around Janice called "Roxy Page," or just "Roxy." There's one episode out there somewhere. The character's actual name was "Roxy Hagopian." And other members of the Armenian Hagopian family were to be featured. I believe the premise was Roxy was an aspiring actress/singer in NYC who would be trying to break into theatre. Main title sequence:

I just heard a podcast with Billy Mumy and Angela Cartwright talking about Lost in Space. Angela said the producers of The Danny Thomas Show let her miss the end of the season, which they didn't have to do, to start work on The Sound of Music (for which they had TWELVE MONTHS of rehearsals before they arrived in Austria).

Billy said Jonathon Harris personally made up all the insults Dr Smith flung at the robot. Whereas the entire cast loved the guy who played the robot, for his perpetually sunny nature and his willingness to stay in the suit all day, even when not filming, although it was hot and hard to move in.

Just thought Old Shit DLers would enjoy those tidbits. If you're really keen, apparently the two of them wrote a book about it.

Billy Mumy also was a big fan of the Kingston Trio and refused to see the Beatles in person because he thought they were a flash in the plan. Angela got to meet them all.

Sisters

Does Janice Lynde have a wonky eye ala Andy Cohen and Karen Black?

The Roxy opening is similar to the opening of the Mary Tyler Moore Show. The end of the Roxy opening where to camera pans above the theater to showcase the smog is very of its time.

I think I read (within the past year or two) that Janice Lynde had some issues with drugs that really altered her career path.

Many will disagree, but I believe that Janice Lynde is no Victoria Mallory.

I had a girl crush on Lee Meriwether in 'The Time Tunnel' because she was different from most of the female characters on TV - she played an intelligent scientist, and she was brunette and cool. Made the mistake of telling a schoolmate, and soon the word was spread that I was a lesbian. That made my teenage years in a tiny Kentucky town awful. And I'm not a lesbian.

Old TV shows (and movies) have served my household as something to turn on after lunch and before returning to work.

We've been through all of Perry Mason, Peter Gunn, Leave It to Beaver, Naked City, Mission Impossible, and others.

It's reassuring and comforting. Despite the murders and Tony Dow's distractions at time.

R151 When Vicki Morales played Leslie, I had to convince myself that Jen hadn't gotten knocked up by Felipe Ramirez.

On Svengoolie...

The Leech Woman

Louanne's on Love Boat.

[quote] but then you have the delights of Chatsworth's mother (the wonderful Doris Packer) as well as both of Patty Duke's parents in recurring roles

I had to figure this out. I thought, "The Rosses? I don't know they acted."

On in an hour. Lois and Betty Garde, the original Aunt Eller.

I always think of Betty Garde in Call Northside 777, with James Stewart--I think it was Betty, anyhow--as "Wanda Scutnik", I love the contemptuous way Jimmy says Wanda Scutnik.

Female Jungle is on tonight.

Ellery Queen Mysteries, my brothers and I loved that show. Was only 1 season in 1975. Tim Hutton's father starred in it.

“Tim Hutton’s father” lol

I watch Dark Shadows on FreeVee......a few episodes at a time.

This episode of 77 Sunset Strip with Mr. Bert Convy is fabulous.

R163 I'm watching what they're now calling "Dark Shadows: The Beginning" on Tubi. It consists of the first 209 episodes before Barnabas shows up divided into what they're calling six seasons, each about 35 episodes. It's so gothic and melodramatic, but fascinating. I sometimes go through four or five episodes at a time. Joe and Burke are hot. The little demon David is better than I remember. Liz is so regal, and Roger is such a hoot. Quite enjoyable.

I watch episodes of Upstairs Downstairs (1971-1975) over and over.

I like the first two seasons best.

Lady Marjorie was perhaps my favorite character.

Tonight on The Flintstones...

*Dino Goes Hollyrock*

Fred has stars in his eyes (and money on his mind) when he takes Dino to Hollyrock for the opportunity to appear on a TV series starring the pet's favorite personality, Sassie.

Oh dear, tonight on Have Gun, Will Travel:

[quote]A tong demands that Kim Sing serve as payment for the debts of her deceased father. Paladin: Richard Boone. Chee Yan: William Schallert.

[quote]Tonight on The Flintstones...

Speaking of "The Flintstones," MeTV had just moved them to 6:30am weekdays not barely two months ago, but when I woke up early this morning "Adam-12" was on in that slot instead. So I guess "The Flintstones" got bad ratings or something? And even so, why replace them with reruns of a show that's already on twice a day at 5:00? You couldn't put something different on like "I Love Lucy" or "Our Miss Brooks" or something?

MeTV doesn't even try anymore.

For all the Mark Shera fans out there, I went to Boston University with him when he was still Mark Shapiro. He was very cute in a bland way, straight and not terribly talented, rarely cast in productions. Nevertheless, he was one of few actors from that time at BU who went on to have a solid career, f only in that one TV series.

Cool info, R170. Prior to "Barnaby Jones," he also did "S.W.A.T." with Steve Forrest and Robert Urich, which lasted for two seasons on ABC (but which ran for a while in syndication). Someone here posted a recent picture of him not too long ago and he looks good, if of course much older.

Nobody enjoyed a lot of these shows more than I did as a kid (when many of them were new), but I can't get into most of them now. Not sure why.

Tonight on Svengoolie...

r172, I'm with you. Besides I Love Lucy, Burns & Allen, The Beverly Hillbillies and Love That Bob! (I know that one might be controversial) all the others seem very tedious and unfunny to me now, including My Little Margie, Private Secretary, I Married Joan and especially Our Miss Brooks. But I watched them all in endless reruns as a child.

And I loved all those Goodson/Todman quiz shows but only What's My Line? holds up. I've Got a Secret is particularly ghastly.

I can still watch Hazel, Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best.

R174 I like Our Miss Brooks. But other than I Love Lucy and The Honeymooners, I don't watch any old comedies...other than Jack Benny. Is that show still on? I can watch that any time. I was referring more to dramas, detective shows and westerns. I can watch Dragnet for some reason.

I watched Our Miss Brooks as a kid but I don't enjoy watching it much now.

I never watched it as a kid, it was never on TV in my area. I like listening to the radio show, as well. I was listening to a season from the mid-1950s that wasn't funny at all, then I listened to one from the late 40s (one of the ones with Jeff Chandler as Mr. Boynton) and it was hilarious.

Robert (Mr. Boynton) Rockwell's son was in college with me in the early 70s in the BU acting program (yeah, I'm the poster who also went to school with Mark Shera). He was astonishingly handsome and probably gay, though he hadn't figured it out yet. Wonder what happened to him? Sadly, I can't remember his first name to do a search.

[quote]Sadly, I can't remember his first name to do a search.

Norman?

R179 You're talking about Robert Rockwell's son's name? Here's the actor's obituary from 2003. It lists his children near the end. Perhaps "Jeffrey" or "Gregory." The other son is named "Robert Jr."

R181 I predict the person you answered will never bother to do said search.

No, r182, I did the search, and I believe it's Junior. Thanks, r181.

R183 Jeffrey Rockwell is the one who studied acting, and yes, he's gay. He has his CV on Fraubook as well as photos of his big gay wedding ca. 2014. You can see the resemblance to his father, "Mr. Boynton."

jeffrey.rockwell.18

[quote]My Favorite Matian is on TUBI. The premise is rather stupid but it's funny as hell.

Same as Mr. Ed. Stupid premise but funny. A talking horse!!!!!

r185=Matthew Broderick

But not a talking car, who's someone's dead mother!

I’m so tired of olives channels showing Andy Griffith, MASH

Oldies

R188 I agree. And I'd add Hogan's Heroes to that list. And why two episodes? A whole fucking hour on the schedule.

I do wonder, though. Has MEN.com ever done a parody of that sit-com? -- Five guys of various nationalities living in a prison barracks with an older German queen and his comic burly bear assistant holding them captive ... seems made for such nonsense. And Hilda and Helga could be gay blond twinks named Hilton and Helmut

[quote] But not a talking car, who's someone's dead mother!

R187 Ann Sothern said she took the job as the car’s voice because she could record the lines at home and not have to go to the studio. On Lucille Ball’s radio interview show from the mid-1960s, Sothern was adamant about not going back to work on a full-time TV show.

By that time Ann Southern could no longer FIT on a tv screen.

R192 Yes, there’s only so much that wearing black can do. Lucille did talk Ann into making guest appearances as time went on (when TV screens had gotten larger).

I only watch 227 and I LovevLucy

Sorry but what is 227?

Some shows really hold up - mostly due to the writing.

Even when I was little and watching the reruns....when the credits were read:

I Married Joan - The Joan Davis Show - starring America's Queen of Comedy - Joan Davis.....

I was thinking WTF?

There are two episodes of that show that still make me laugh. Joan gets a mannequin's leg stuck on her arm and her physical struggles are hilarious......and in another she tries to sell a stuffed moose head at an auction....other than that....NOTHING.

Even as a little gayling I found Jim Backus as Judge Bradley Stevens on I MARRIED JOAN to be a hot daddy.

I used to love sneaking downstairs to watch I Married Joan, Jack Benny, and Burns amd Alken on CBN at midnight. Circa 1983.

[quote]Sorry but what is 227?

227 is a sitcom starring Marla Gibbs, who played the maid on The Jeffersons.

She was supposed to be the lead, but Jackee Harry quickly became the breakout star and got more attention than the other women who were longtime actresses.

[quote]227 is a sitcom starring Marla Gibbs, who played the maid on The Jeffersons. She was supposed to be the lead, but Jackee Harry quickly became the breakout star and got more attention than the other women who were longtime actresses.

Excuse me, but NEITHER of those people has an OSCAR.

[quote]Excuse me, but NEITHER of those people has an OSCAR.

Neither does Glenn Close.

R199 Thanks, that's actually what I thought, but I wasn't sure!

Fuck you! Just watch 227

Tonight on Svengoolie, for Vincent Price and Eva Gabor fans...

R198 CBN in those days at those hours also showed a lot of old Republic pictures.....it was a Vera Hruba Ralston festival.

Angie's on Perry Mason this morning...

December Bride! Makes me remember Harry Morgan and his TV career. That man was incredible. Between TV and film, he must have been employed constantly. God bless him.

This had to be so much fun for Beverly and Dorothy...

Forgotten '64

Courtney MSW '86

Remember when Harry Morgan was old and his wife reported him for hitting her?

"In 1996, Harry Morgan was arrested for beating up his wife. The couple were drinking and fighting at a party and the fight escalated after they returned home. The charges were dropped after Harry agreed to attend classes on spousal abuse."

The Dick van Dyke Show, I Love Lucy and Burns & Allen are the only "classic" shows that stand up to repeated viewings. And Mary Tyler Moore.

But the others -- Beverly Hillbillies, Hazel, My Favorite Martian, Danny Thomas -- are strictly one and done.

December Bride, I Married Joan, Love That Bob -- I sampled them but they're nearly unwatchable.

Didn't I Married Joan only run one or two seasons?

[quote] The Dick van Dyke Show, I Love Lucy and Burns & Allen are the only "classic" shows that stand up to repeated viewings. And Mary Tyler Moore.

The Jack Benny Program and The Honeymooners are both better than Burns & Allen. I also think Ozzie and Harriet is watchable, so is Father Knows Best, and Leave it to Beaver isn't bad either. I haven't watched Danny Thomas for many years but I used to like it. There seems to be no love for Our Miss Brooks here but I like it.

[quote]The Dick van Dyke Show, I Love Lucy and Burns & Allen are the only "classic" shows that stand up to repeated viewings. And Mary Tyler Moore.

Ahem!

The Andy Griffith Show

Tales From the Darkside

Christian Slater '84

For anyone interested, MeTV is bringing "Laverne & Shirley" and "I Love Lucy" back to the weekly schedule starting this Sunday.

Catchy Comedy (used to be Decades) also has them, r218.

I think ILL is on MeTV for episode each week only on Sundays.

for one episode...

It's on Catchy every weekday morning, r220.

'Lola Lasagna' as played by Ethel Merman in the 1960s Batman TV show impressed me greatly.

[quote]'Lola Lasagna'

Oh dear.

Well, I still love watching Love That Bob! (The Bob Cummings Show), The Beverly Hillbillies and Burns & Allen and what they all have in common was Paul Henning who produced/wrote for all of them. And then did the same for Petticoat Junction, yet I find that one wanting. It lacked the zaniness of the the other three and was more homey humor.

Looking for something to watch, I'm going with Quincy ME:

*A Star Is Dead*

[quote]A scandal-sheet publisher exploits a star's mysterious death to wreck her lover's political career. Jack Klugman. Sinclair: Robert Foxworth. Reardon: William Daniels. Roberta: Donna Mills...

When it comes to sit coms, Paul Henning was the first hog to the trough.

Mrs. Cotten just gave a tearful confession on the stand.

I just finished Perry Mason. Sorry I waited so long. This is just about the best series ever. Talk about so many soon to be major stars on Perry Mason.

I appeared on five episodes with my good friend Raymond Burr.

R223 I preferred Spring Byington as the wealthy "J. Pauline Spaghetti."

Some of the Perry Mason locations are very weird, I wonder what California viewers thought of them. Off hand I can't think of anything but it would be like he'd be driving through Joshua Tree to get to a ranch that looked like it was in Chatsworth, but the ocean was nearby.

I wonder why the really hot, twinkish associate just disappeared on Perry Mason.

Ray was through with him.

Twinkish?

Actor Karl (Carl) Held turned 30 during the season he was featured on Perry Mason.

btw - He's still alive (age 92) and posts on Fraubook.

Just watched an old episode of "The Invaders" the other night featuring none other than Gene Hackman. It was called "The Spores" and originally aired in 1967 just before he was about to blow up as a major film star.

When was the last time you thought about...Darlanne Fluegel?

I bought the whole series DVD of the Invaders. You haven't seen enough TV until you've seen Grandma Walton as an evil alien.

It's almost as good as seeing Clara Edwards from Mayberry saying "Hail, Satan!" in Rosemary's Baby.

The movie line-up on one channel tonight is:

Now, Voyager

The Best of Everything

Valley of the Dolls

Year, 1964-65 maybe. I was on my friend's dad's commercial fishing boat, which we had taken from Oahu to the Big Island of Hawaii for the Kona Billfish Tournament (sort of a big deal back in the day)... we were going to head back home to Oahu but decided to make a stop at the very chi-chi Kona Village Resort for the night, anchoring in the bay. We swam ashore and crashed the resort party which was a drunken mess of rich tourist fishermen. I spotted Richard Boone who was getting older but was still well known from his starring role on Have Gun Will Travel, one of my favorite shows. I decided to be an asshole by making a point of pushing him into the swimming pool. Thing is, he was nicely dressed, was wearing an expensive watch and had his wallet on him. Shit was he pissed off. I ran to the bay, jumped in the ocean and swam away. I hid out on the boat until we left the next morning.

I knew I'd find you sooner or later, punk!

I ordered seasons one and two of Room 222 on DVD - I'll see if I like it. I certainly enjoyed it as a kid.

It's good. I bought some Room 222 comic books off of eBay LOL

Karen Valentine is still fun to watch.

Anyone here remember Pat Conway? I've been watching him in old reruns of "Tombstone Territory" on FETV. He was a pretty sexy sheriff back in the day.

I loved Room 222. Lloyd Gaines was so handsome and Denise Nicholas, so beautiful.

And then there were the students.

Is there anywhere to stream 222?

Yes, the students in Room 222 are fun to watch. I don't care for that Heshimu guy (Jason), but I liked Ed Begley, Jr. a few episodes ago (he was so blond) and in today's episode there was a young Cindy Williams, although I didn't even recognize her.

R248, the first season is on YouTube.

Oops, should have looked further. It looks like all the seasons are on YT. I can't vouch for the quality. The first season episodes look OK - a bit grainy, but that's how they would have looked on a typical 1969 color TV anyway.

R248 R250 There's an individual on youtube who has a channel with separate playlists for the remaining Seasons 2 thru 5.

The channel name is: sfinthecity

Go to the channel's Playlists and you should find the link for each season. Based on the show's episode guide at Wikipedia, it appears each season there is complete except for Season 3. Wiki says there were 23 produced that season, but the channel's playlist only has 18.

R247, it's Lloyd HAYNES, not Gaines, but yes he was a very handsome man. He was a former marine and a pilot. I don't think it gets much sexier than that. Unfortunately, he died young from lung cancer at age 52 in 1986.

Tonight on Svengoolie...

[quote]"My lover is only a dream but he's still more of a man than you!"

On tonight...

Blonde Ice

Someone posted the entire series of "Hawaiian Eye" on Youtube and I was watching it, but I only got up to episode 12 and they pulled it down. Boo!!

I love Hawaiian Eye.

R256 If you get MeTV+ they're currently showing two different episodes of "Hawaiian Eye" on Sunday nights. In my Pacific Time Zone, one airs 8pm - 9pm, and the second one airs 11pm - 12am. They put two episodes of "77 Sunset Strip" in between. The guide shows that the episodes coming up this Sunday are S1E22 and S1E24.

[quote]I've been watching "Dobie Gillis" on FreeVee. Tuesday Weld and Warren Beatty disappear early on, but then you have the delights of Chatsworth's mother (the wonderful Doris Packer) as well as both of Patty Duke's parents in recurring roles. And of course Maynard G. Krebs was one of the greatest characters in TV history.

I loved Doris Packer. When Warren Beatty played the original "rich kid," Milton Armitage, in early episodes, Doris also played his mother, exactly the way she later played Chatsworth's mother.

Chatsworth was played by Steve Franken, who always pinged wildly to me no matter what role he played. Even so, Franken was married twice and had three kids, which shows a certain enthusiasm for the process. Bisexual? Remarkably dedicated to bearding? Or one of those straight guys who are always wondering why people think they're gay?

Steve Franken was the predecessor of Lyle, the effeminate heterosexual from SNL

He was funny.

I hearts Dobie Gillis

[quote]Gilligan wiped out America’s collective memory of Maynard.

Not for me. I'll always remember Bob Denver as Maynard and not as Gilligan. "Dobie Gillis" was a quirky and genuinely funny show. "Gilligan's Island" seemed to be pitched to 5-year-olds. I know it has many fans, and that's fine, but I never enjoyed it.

I liked Dobie's record......he starts out fine but by the end - he's kind of a creepy stalker.

Jessica's on Quincy...

I am NOT watching Quincy tonight...

*A Small Circle Of Friends*

[quote]A roundup of prostitutes follows the death of an athlete who contracted a drug-resistant strain of gonorrhea. Jack Klugman. Marsha: Jo Ann Pflug. Harlan: James Keach. Laura: Kathryn Leigh...

Ray and Julie Danton are on Hawaiian Eye. Cricket's singing The Man I Love.

^ It also has Richard Garland...

I loved Mr Ed.

There's a poster at Dailymotion who's put every episode of Mr. Ed up. (Channel name: Mr Ed)

[quote]I loved Mr Ed.

I still remember when Mae West made a guest appearance on "Mr. Ed."

That Catherine the Great chick knew what she was doing.

Someone put up all of Bachelor Father a while ago but it was all taken down. That show was pure nonsense but was really good nonsense. The discontinuity of the show put the Golden Girls to shame. One episode Kelly would be worrying about her first school dance and the next she's be away, alone, at a ski lodge, contemplating a marriage proposal. So stupid yet so good.

R274 Maybe you already know, but Bachelor Father is being broadcast on Antenna TV - two episodes on Saturday morning and two on Sunday morning. Schedule and timezone info at their website.

MSW today. Bruce's eyebrows '85...

and Mr. Butkus

Did an episode of MSW ever have a starrier cast than Jessica Behind Bars??

Oh noes!

*That Girl*

-The Other Woman-

[quote]A gossip columnist links Ethel Merman with Ann's father. Ann: Marlo Thomas. Ethel Merman: Herself. Don: Ted Bessell. Father: Lew Parker. Mother: Rosemary De Camp.

On The Streets of San Francisco...

*The Most Deadly Species*

[quote]Keller becomes romantically entwined with his new neighbor, unaware that she is a freelance hit woman. Sidney: Brenda Vaccaro. Murray: Barry Sullivan. Stone: Karl Malden.

On Hawaiian Eye...

*Vanessa Vanishes*

[quote]A ransom note arrives before a young heiress (Mary Tyler Moore) can be abducted. Her father hires Steele---and then the girl disappears! Kinard: Phillip Terry. Steele: Anthony Eisley.

Today on Perry Mason, not only the legendary Beverly Garland...but Miss Louise Fletcher as well!

I watched the first two seasons of "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." and started on the third, but have finally had enough for now - I'm taking a break. Will continue sometime later.

A lot of those ancient sitcoms are on the Pluto, Tubi and/or Roku channel. Pluto also has The Patty Duke Show.

I'm watching episodes of Bewitched and Family Affair on Youtube

I will admit that I watch episodes of Highway to Heaven on streaming services. It's cheesy comfort food TV for me.

I like to watch The Danny Thomas Show on the Roku Channel......my favorite is Season Six with several episodes featuring Annette Funicello as an Italian exchange student, Gina.

Just found Shout TV......watched some episodes of Route 66 and MST 3000......lots of other stuff available there.

The posterior of Mr. Glenn Corbett...

Bobby Redford on Perry Mason this morning.

The Case of the Treacherous Toupee

Right now FETV and Antenna TV are both showing the exact same Thanksgiving episode of "Bewitched."