Me: India
Why: The poverty, the filth, the air quality of the large cities, the smells, crap in the streets, the food, and finally, all of those phone people I've had the misfortune of speaking with over the years.
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Me: India
Why: The poverty, the filth, the air quality of the large cities, the smells, crap in the streets, the food, and finally, all of those phone people I've had the misfortune of speaking with over the years.
by Anonymous | reply 367 | February 11, 2024 11:18 PM |
Jamaica, horrific homophobes
by Anonymous | reply 3 | January 8, 2024 12:31 PM |
And country where I am illegal and subject to draconian penalties for being and acting gay. I have turned down career opportunities for this.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | January 8, 2024 1:12 PM |
I admire your principles R4.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | January 8, 2024 1:20 PM |
Jamaica --Unsafe
Bahamas --Unsafe
India- Pollution, Poverty, Everyone is ugly.
China-See India Above
Africa-Unsafe
Russia-Unsafe, everyone is ugly
by Anonymous | reply 6 | January 8, 2024 1:30 PM |
India, for all the reasons OP stated, plus the possibility of running into the asshole relatives of the likes of Nimrata and Ramaswamy.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | January 8, 2024 1:41 PM |
I once wanted to go to India. The romance of it. But not now. Ever since the pandemic, I have revised and shortened my list of countries for all the reasons stated above. I won't condemn the entire continent of Africa, because I'd like to visit Morocco, and Ghana, and Kenya and South Africa. These cultures are so different from our own it's something I'd like to experience. I have no interest in Southeast Asia, and the Middle East is off limits. This is unfortunate because Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc are dangerous places.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | January 8, 2024 1:49 PM |
Anywhere in the Middle East - barbaric religion, hot, dusty, always involved in some kind of war, lack of human rights
by Anonymous | reply 9 | January 8, 2024 2:28 PM |
R6 Africa is a continent, not a country. To which of the 54 countries in Africa are you referring?
by Anonymous | reply 10 | January 8, 2024 2:35 PM |
*high fives R10*
by Anonymous | reply 11 | January 8, 2024 2:38 PM |
R8 You can skip Morocco. Meh.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | January 8, 2024 2:59 PM |
[quote{Israel. Because it is a barbaric land thief.
lol š
by Anonymous | reply 13 | January 8, 2024 3:03 PM |
I would love to go to Egypt and see their antiquity. But anywhere in the Middle East is pretty depressing- violence, war, religion inspired hate and violence.
China, India and Africa are also troubling nations but much like the US there is much of interest and physical beauty along side human self destruction.. Actually the US is like this- there are states in our nation I donāt want to set foot in.
But the Middle East is out. Too toxic- so depressing.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | January 8, 2024 3:13 PM |
Africa is a continent, not a country.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | January 8, 2024 3:16 PM |
R6 is one sharp tack
by Anonymous | reply 16 | January 8, 2024 3:27 PM |
Uganda - two gay men currently in its criminal justice system threatened with death penalty. For being gay. Thank you American Evangelicalban missionaries for helping form Uganda's death-to-gays legislation.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | January 8, 2024 3:37 PM |
Moldova. It has big wine cellars and even bigger Romanian cocks but for someone who's neither a sex tourist nor a drunk it has very little to offer.
Murica. Because I'm fucking scared of all the gun-wielding, bible-thumping MAGAts.
China. The sound of their language(s) give me a headache.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | January 8, 2024 3:52 PM |
R18, don't judge 'murica based on The DL. There are actually a lot of normal, well-adjusted, intelligent, educated, happy, interesting, kind, generous and productive people in 'murica.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | January 8, 2024 4:00 PM |
North Korea. Because I don't want to die.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | January 8, 2024 4:05 PM |
Where did R18 say he was basing his desire to not visit our fair land on the basis of DL-denizens, R19? He was pretty explicit in blaming it on MAGAts; perhaps he touched a nerve?
by Anonymous | reply 21 | January 8, 2024 4:07 PM |
No interest in any muslim majority countries for reasons well known to everybody. Turkey was interesting, but there is predatory behavior towards tourist, especially non-muslim. Morocco was interesting but I don't want to go back. I'll say Israel was fascinating, high-functioning, the people aren't overly friendly but I think it is mainly a language issue, so much history, culture and great food. Really unlike anything else in the region, vastly different and advanced.
No interest in China or almost all of the countries in the Caribbean, and only moderate interest in the countries in South America.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | January 8, 2024 4:08 PM |
The U.S. - gun toting crazy bastards who elect wannabe dictators. Everyone is ugly.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | January 8, 2024 4:12 PM |
Countries where female genital mutilation is common. I assume they don't like the homos either.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | January 8, 2024 4:16 PM |
Okay, maybe I'd make an exception for Egypt because of its antiquities. I'm really shocked at the prevalence of female genital mutilation in that country. I didn't think Egyptians were so backward.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | January 8, 2024 4:19 PM |
R22 so you have decided to just stay home. Probably wise decision for everyone.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | January 8, 2024 4:31 PM |
New Zealand. Just doesn't seem worth the hassle. I think v8fairy is from NZ - I apologize.
A friend is from Thailand and, IIRC, she said there's basically 1-2 months (Feb.?) where it's not uncomfortably hot.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | January 8, 2024 4:36 PM |
Russia--total shithole run by mafia thugs and they HATE anyone from the West, especially Americans. Full of drunks and a scared, resentful populace.
It's too bad because it's a geographically large country that probably has many nice areas with lakes, rivers, or mountain ranges. If they were smart, they would try and develop some areas and open them up for tourism and make money. But they're not, and they've been the bane of geopolitics for the last 75 years or so. They manufacture nothing that the world would want to buy and they interfere in US elections. Fuck them. It'll be a great day when Putin dies but I'm sure someone worse will just take his place.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | January 8, 2024 4:37 PM |
Totally agree about India. Every person I know who went there got sick regardless of precautions and staying in 5 star hotels. And it wasnāt some overnight thing but continued even after they returned home. No thank you. Cow sh*t in the streets and people starving. And not mention those damn IT helpless desk idiots!
by Anonymous | reply 29 | January 8, 2024 4:40 PM |
Mexico
by Anonymous | reply 30 | January 8, 2024 4:44 PM |
I've been fortunate enough to travel a lot. I'm sure this will just not compute for many of you but here goes: by a long, long way, the friendliest people I've met on my travels are..... in Iran. It's a fascinating and beautiful country, there are obvious restrictions on personal freedom if you choose to go there, but you have pretty much total freedom to travel around the country and there isn't a significant problem with violent crime.
Not that easy (but not impossible) for Americans to visit, and believe me, it's well worth it.
As for the thread title, there is no country that I would refuse to visit on principle, I'd even like to go to Saudi Arabia one day if possible. Every country would offer the opportunity to learn something.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | January 8, 2024 4:55 PM |
New Zealand - no historic architecture to speak of; and landscapes that don't excite me
Australia - because I've never met an Australian whose priorities (outside sex in a few cases) intersected in the least with my own. Its distance drives home the notion that the small reward is not worth the large effort
Maldives - everything that bores me
Caribbean (outside Cuba) - see Maldives
The U.S. - was born and raised there mad have been in 37 or so states, but no desire to go back
Russia - for various reasons; I would have excepted St. Petersburg at one point, but now I'm fine not visiting
Koreas North and South - I know of no natural or manmade aspects to be a draw
There are fantastic historic things I would love to see in the Middle East, but I won't visit any place that is too difficult and, on top of it, poses some danger or would require any unusual caution in matters of "discretion" as a gay man.
Any place ravages by wars or serious conflict for long and recent periods of time. Danger is not exciting for me in travel.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | January 8, 2024 5:17 PM |
[quote] Koreas North and South - I know of no natural or manmade aspects to be a draw
Gyeongju, Korea's historic capital and now a UNESCO world heritage site, is fascinating. If you like you can stay in a Buddhist monastery for a night as a guest there too.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | January 8, 2024 5:24 PM |
R32 And if you make it to North Korea the Arirang Mass Games are a must-see.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | January 8, 2024 5:25 PM |
[quote] the asshole relatives of the likes of Nimrata and Ramaswamy.
Donāt forget Dinesh DeSousa, Bobby Jindal, the asshole tech bros who support their idol Elon musk, the FB marketplace scammers, the phony IRS agents who are coming after you unless you send gift cards, the UPS emails telling you this is your last chance to pick up your order. China, India and Russia are asshole scam countries who canāt produce anything legitimate
by Anonymous | reply 35 | January 8, 2024 5:27 PM |
It bears repeating: AFRICA IS NOT A COUNTRY.
Ironically, I bet people from the countries you'd never want to visit would actually know that.
ConcernedEuropean, I would LOVE to visit Iran someday.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | January 8, 2024 5:27 PM |
R36 So many highlights but my favourite place was probably Esfahan, the beautiful and historic former capital.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | January 8, 2024 5:33 PM |
[quote]Russia--total shithole run by mafia thugs and they HATE anyone from the West, especially Americans.
I've been to Moscow and St. Petersburg several times, and loved everything about them. Great ballet, opera, and museums. I met some lovely people. It makes me sad I'll never see them again in my lifetime.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | January 8, 2024 5:37 PM |
R17,
Many Commonwealth nations retained the penal code from colonial British rule, and have never updated the laws around homosexuality. It goes back a long way. Iāve met several people who have family in these countries, and they are too scared to visit because they will be beaten up, murdered or jailed if caught.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | January 8, 2024 5:42 PM |
China. Where do I start?
by Anonymous | reply 40 | January 8, 2024 5:42 PM |
Me.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | January 8, 2024 5:44 PM |
[quote]Okay, maybe I'd make an exception for Egypt because of its antiquities.
I get my share of antiquities here in Eldergay Dataloungeland.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | January 8, 2024 5:44 PM |
Mexicoā¦.I have already been once decades ago, but it has become so dangerous since,
India. The filth
Anywhere in Central America: the spiders
Jamaica. Unsafe and homophobic
by Anonymous | reply 43 | January 8, 2024 5:46 PM |
The UK itās full of drunk blue people.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | January 8, 2024 5:56 PM |
I probably won't ever visit India, but I'm sure it does have some attractive areas. It just seems like a huge hassle to plan a trip there where you don't have to deal with the worst aspects of the country.
Still, I would go to India over the likes of Bangladesh any day.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | January 8, 2024 5:59 PM |
Africa is indeed a country, R36!
by Anonymous | reply 46 | January 8, 2024 6:02 PM |
[quote]New Zealand, has no landscape that excites me.
Hard to know what this even means....
by Anonymous | reply 47 | January 8, 2024 6:03 PM |
[quote]R10: Africa is a continent, not a country.
Fair enough.
[quote]To which of the 54 countries in Africa are you referring?
Which of those 54 countries in Africa do you think are not 'unsafe', per R6, for LGBTQs? Which ones are exemplars of progressive ideals, with respect for human rights?
by Anonymous | reply 48 | January 8, 2024 6:08 PM |
My brother is a Delta pilot and I get a "buddy pass" for Christmas every year.
The only country I wanted to visit but haven't is Egypt. Too much poverty and hostility towards gay men.
Some places are best seen in movies.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | January 8, 2024 6:13 PM |
Whatās wrong with the Maldives?
by Anonymous | reply 50 | January 8, 2024 6:13 PM |
Different people like different things, R47. I travel to experience architecture, history, and cultural things, and prefer my landscapes shapes in some degree by the hand of man. I've seen the Alps and various other mountain ranges from various vantage points, and of course they can be impressive. I wouldn't fly to New Zealand to see mountains and a very few and middling historic buildings from the late 19thC. I'm aware not everyone shares my view.
In full, the bullet point read "New Zealand - no historic architecture to speak of; and landscapes that don't excite me"
by Anonymous | reply 51 | January 8, 2024 6:16 PM |
R48 South Africa, for one. Does your country have a constitution explicitly banning discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation?
by Anonymous | reply 52 | January 8, 2024 6:17 PM |
*shaped by
by Anonymous | reply 53 | January 8, 2024 6:18 PM |
A parade of ignorance. I've been to India 3x without getting sick---all of them long trips. There is so much to see and the poverty is is of a sort that you easily can encounter in the US or any of the cheap resort-y destinations that people here seem to like. The notion that China is anything like the stereotype of India is just ludicrous, esp. given the rapid economic development of the country.
Africa as a country? Are you in third grade?
by Anonymous | reply 54 | January 8, 2024 6:21 PM |
I travelled to Egypt for 10 days last year, with a small group of 8 people including 3 Gay men. The people are friendly and welcoming, and very helpful. We didn't get sick. Bottled water was available to us everywhere . We stayed in nice hotels, and avoided street food. But if you go don't go when it's hot, because there are small flies and ticks everywhere. This was my first experience of the Middle East and such a vastly different culture. I felt as if I was on a movie set at times. And listening to the muzzin calls for prayer in the evening was magical. Egypt is a pretty secular state, and even though our guides were Muslim, they didn't cover their head or stop to pray. THey explained that it was allowed. We stayed at Hilton properties and they could not do enough for us. I think right now isn't a good time because of the war not only in Israel, but the civil war in Sudan, causing lots of refugees trying to get into the country. But hopefully things will calm down. If you ever get a chance go to Egypt. Go. It's just an incredible experience. It did not disappoint.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | January 8, 2024 6:23 PM |
Egypt is a strange place. Law enforcement is hostile, but because sex outside of marriage is almost impossible, men seek other men to get their needs met. Turkey is very similar. Iāve been propositioned quite blatantly in both countries. The line I remember most isā I am not married. Do you understand?ā
by Anonymous | reply 56 | January 8, 2024 6:24 PM |
I do love the subtextual racism that surfaces in threads like these.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | January 8, 2024 6:32 PM |
[quote]R52/ConcernedEuropean: Does your country have a constitution explicitly banning discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation?
No, the US has no federal laws banning discrimination based upon sexual orientation or gender identity. Twenty-three states, one territory, plus D.C. do. Mine, Texas, is not one of those states.
[quote]South Africa, for one.
From Wiki:
[quote]Nevertheless, LGBT South Africans, particularly those outside of the major cities, continue to face some challenges, including homophobic violence (particularly corrective rape), and high rates of HIV/AIDS infection.
Doesn't sound particularly safe to me.
South Africa's pro-LGBTQ laws are, like US laws, something of a recent development. I do not limit my criticism of it to exclusively LGBTQ issues, but progressive ideals and human rights in general. SA has a poor record.
And yes, I'm well aware that, by these standards, the US is also quite 'unsafe.' But I was discussing the '54 countries' of Africa. The thread is about places one would not consent to visit, not where one lives.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | January 8, 2024 6:38 PM |
[quote] I do not limit my criticism of it to exclusively LGBTQ issues, but progressive ideals and human rights in general. SA has a poor record.
Well, let's give South Africa some credit, R58, it's the only state which has had the courage to bring proceedings at the ICJ against Israel for acts of genocide in Gaza. Sadly, most Northern Hemisphere countries have been competing against each other to loudly and performatively cheer Israel's government on.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | January 8, 2024 6:50 PM |
[quote]R59: Well, let's give South Africa some credit, [R58], it's the only state which has had the courage to bring proceedings at the ICJ against Israel for acts of genocide in Gaza. Sadly, most Northern Hemisphere countries have been competing against each other to loudly and performatively cheer Israel's government on.
Be that as it may, that does not make South Africa safer.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | January 8, 2024 6:53 PM |
[quote]R57
DL wouldn't be the DL without it.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | January 8, 2024 7:01 PM |
Iāve been to 60 and of the remaining, itās generally the negative things Iāve encountered with their people in other places: Morocco, Egypt, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait, Serbia, Croatia, Albania. Or unsafe political and cultural environments like Uganda, Venezuela, North Korea, or Belarus.
Of the 60, thereās a number I have no desire to ever return for either been there/done that reasons or because I dislike the people: India, England, (Scotland and Wales are fine), Ireland, Australia, UAE, Sweden, Italy, Argentina. Surprisingly, I had great times in Russia during the early 2000s, but not until Putin is gone and the culture deprogrammed. If Trump wins again, the US would also go on the never return list.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | January 8, 2024 7:34 PM |
China, because of its draconian lockdowns.
Australia, because they have all kinds of animals that could kill you.
Serbia: They have hot guys, but after I saw "A Serbian Film", I was like "no thanks".
Indonesia: tsunamis
All those tacky former Soviet countries that end in -stan.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | January 8, 2024 7:48 PM |
Jamaica. Virulently homophobic and unsafe. Culturally a disaster as well: dreadful food, the ugliest hairstyle known to man (dreadlocks), and a truly stupid religion (Rastafarianism). Plus you'd have to be stoned out of your mind to listen to reggae.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | January 8, 2024 7:49 PM |
Keep back-pedalling R48. Youāre the one who thought that a massive continent of 54 countries was one country, not me. Iām glad that youāve been educated just a little bit today.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | January 8, 2024 8:22 PM |
OMG enough about fucking Africa!!
I didnāt realize Jamaica was so bad, thatās very enlightening. Didnāt have plans to go anyway but Iām surprised, it alway seemed like any other relaxed island nation.
I have no desire to return to England. Itās not terrible by any means but too grey and depressing for me. The people looked unhealthy and were quite snide and condescending. Food was bad as well.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | January 8, 2024 8:32 PM |
I'm pleased to see that other posters seem to reflect how I feel about Jamaica. Nastiest place I ever visited, and I've been everywhere including the Soviet Union, India and China, all of which I found fascinating and, contrary to popular belief, not as dirty as one would imagine.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | January 8, 2024 8:43 PM |
Anywhere in Eastern Europe..
by Anonymous | reply 68 | January 8, 2024 8:56 PM |
Here's something to know. If you're talking about a visit, a vacation, I'll assume you're talking about staying for a couple weeks at most. Maybe 10-14 days. I'm also thinking you'll be on the move visiting various locations, cities, tourist attractions, etc. If you are an American, and anything bad happens such as you being assaulted or robbed, etc. you have the American Embassy and they will be there for you. Most countries want to be seen as safe for tourism. They need the money. They don't want a bad reputation.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | January 8, 2024 9:03 PM |
Belgrade is such an awesome city. Been three times and loved it even more each time. The House of Flowers and Museum of Yugoslavia complex are fascinating.
Iāve backpacked through West Africa three times now and love it too. Benin is a gem, as are Sierra Leone, Liberia and Togo. Ghana and CĆ“te dāIvoire are quite modernized, especially in parts of Abidjan and Accra. Yamoussoukro is one of the strangest capitals Iāve ever visited too.
I never felt unsafe once while I was there, though speaking French will enhance your experience greatly.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | January 8, 2024 9:07 PM |
I would think homosexuality is a big taboo in most African countries, maybe with the exception of South Africa.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | January 8, 2024 9:29 PM |
Oh, I have another...the Philippines. Crap food, hideous poverty, hot as hell, bugs, ugly cities with awful traffic. I know the people are very friendly, but I would rather meet them somewhere else.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | January 8, 2024 9:33 PM |
R72 Claire Danes
by Anonymous | reply 73 | January 8, 2024 9:36 PM |
[quote] Yamoussoukro is one of the strangest capitals Iāve ever visited too.
Tell us more R70, what was strange? I'd love to do a trip like that through West Africa too, I've been interested in the region ever since I started watching movies from Senegal. Hope to make it there sometime this year.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | January 8, 2024 9:45 PM |
[quote] Koreas North and South - I know of no natural or manmade aspects to be a draw
Then you must have never heard of Penis Park.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | January 8, 2024 9:46 PM |
[quote]If you are an American, and anything bad happens such as you being assaulted or robbed, etc. you have the American Embassy and they will be there for you. Most countries want to be seen as safe for tourism. They need the money. They don't want a bad reputation.
Another American who thinks every other nation is the proverbial third-world shithole, desperately begging for Americans to come to spend their $ and get assaulted and robbed or worse - otherwise how would these primitive peoples get by?
Maybe he writes U.S. State Department travel advisories, which are gloom and doom magnified to make Americans think they are safer at home than to see how people live in other, civilized nations.
Here's the current advisory for Italy, same as for most of Europe. Italy has a homicide rate of 1 person or fewer per 100,000, the same as Spain, France, Sweden, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Germany... The U.S. rate is 7.
By miraculous good luck, foreign visitors to the U.S. may report crimes on U.A. turf to their to their own embassies in the U.S.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | January 8, 2024 9:54 PM |
R21, perhaps you should get a sense of humor.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | January 8, 2024 9:56 PM |
R2 = shit stain
by Anonymous | reply 78 | January 8, 2024 10:01 PM |
Asian countries are too far for my low interest in them.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | January 8, 2024 10:08 PM |
I would think Japan would be worth visiting.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | January 8, 2024 10:09 PM |
United Arab Emirates.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | January 8, 2024 10:17 PM |
Duchy of Grand Fenwick
by Anonymous | reply 82 | January 8, 2024 10:49 PM |
What is the term for gay Karens? This thread was started by one and a bandwagon of them joined in.
I mean really? Did you all vote for Trump? Itās 2024. Try to think outside of your perceived white privilege. Most of you probably canāt even afford the flight to exotic places like India.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | January 8, 2024 10:56 PM |
R66 perfectly demonstrating what I meant with āenough about fucking Africa!!ā.
Itās all too nuanced to consider Africa as anything other than an amorphous mass of giraffes, dictators and hot weather, right?
by Anonymous | reply 84 | January 8, 2024 10:58 PM |
R25 Egypt is a veritable shithole. Corruption is rampant. Cairo is falling down. The Nile and the Delta is clogged with plastic. Dead animals litter the canals and drains. The people are predatory to tourists. One of the biggest disappointments ever.
However, if you have Grindr, yo will almost certainly meet a hot hung guy. Just be aware of the secret police.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | January 8, 2024 11:03 PM |
[quote]stupid religion
Redundant
by Anonymous | reply 86 | January 8, 2024 11:24 PM |
[quote]What is the term for gay Karens?
Darrins. Like the role gay actor Dick Sargent played on the TV show "Bewitched".
by Anonymous | reply 87 | January 9, 2024 12:05 AM |
Datalounge? This thread does not disappoint!
by Anonymous | reply 88 | January 9, 2024 12:06 AM |
[quote]What is the term for gay Karens? This thread was started by one and a bandwagon of them joined in.
I don't know, R83. There's one American YouTuber who's an adventurous traveller. He said India was one of the most polluted countries he's ever visited. He hated it. Rickshaw drivers constantly following and hassling him when he's told them twenty times already he doesn't want a ride. Cows eating out of dumpsters. He said it was depressing.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | January 9, 2024 12:43 AM |
USA because of the Muricans
by Anonymous | reply 90 | January 9, 2024 12:43 AM |
R84 youāre a fucking tiresome moron.
No one wants to hear your back and forth point scoring with the other poster about whether African countries or Africa the continent is worth visiting. If someone doesnāt want to visit an entire continent itās their fucking choice, you harping pompous troll.
Itās gays like you that give gay men a reputation for being petty persnickety cunts. CUNT!
by Anonymous | reply 91 | January 9, 2024 12:55 AM |
[quote]What is the term for gay Karens?
The correct expression is "angry fairies spewing venom".
by Anonymous | reply 92 | January 9, 2024 12:58 AM |
Can't you just shorten it to "Dataloungers"?
by Anonymous | reply 93 | January 9, 2024 1:03 AM |
R85 I was in Cairo 10 months ago and saw nothing like you describe. Nothing. No dead animals, and during our ride on the Nile I saw no plastic clogging up everything, and the people weren't at all predatory. In fact for a city as crowded and populous as Cairo crime was surprisingly low. There's a lot of poverty, and people are all hustling trying to sell t shirts, or souvenirs, but if you tell them to go away they go away. Our tour guide to care of it for us. I found kindness and warmth. They welcomed us. And tipping was expected but surprisingly cheap. I gave the bellman 2 bucks for four suitcases (myself and my companions) and he was thrilled. They prefer American dollars. I find it interesting that as much as some people love to travel to exotic locales, they seem to expect things to be as convenient and similar aas they are with our American ways.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | January 9, 2024 1:35 AM |
Metropolitan Cairo is a city of nearly 24 Million people. It is crowded. It is old. I found it as I expected to find it and I enjoyed the experience immensely.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | January 9, 2024 1:38 AM |
R91 tiresome moron here - the point that I was trying to make (which obviously went right over your head) is that many Americans (including a few on this board such as yourself) have a very simplistic understanding of the world outside USA.
Which your post perfectly proved - well done!
by Anonymous | reply 96 | January 9, 2024 1:53 AM |
I had to go to Cairo on business in 1981. I stayed at the Nile Hilton and ate my meals there. I still ended up vomiting in the street. In retrospect, I shouldn't have eaten the salad.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | January 9, 2024 1:59 AM |
R96 and yet here you are, instead of traveling the world and expanding your mind, you decide to bore everyone with your tedium. Youāll have the last word even if your sphincter explodes in the process! You poor, unfuckable priss.
Go troll a different site and let the relaxed masculine men have a conversation.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | January 9, 2024 2:04 AM |
Part of the joy of travel (for me) is just walking neighborhoods and seeing how people live. If you go to Jamaica, they tell you not to set foot outside your gated resort. What fun is that?
by Anonymous | reply 99 | January 9, 2024 2:04 AM |
Okay. The consensus is if you go to Egypt, you'll get major food poisoning.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | January 9, 2024 2:05 AM |
Yeah cool R98 - and Iāll bet youāve never been further than Tijuana in your sad little life.
All the best! Keep travelling to those square states!
by Anonymous | reply 101 | January 9, 2024 2:31 AM |
Generally speaking, any country where my US passport marks me as a prime kidnapping target.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | January 9, 2024 2:36 AM |
R99 Have you stepped outside the bounds of a gated Jamaican resort? Itās impossible to do anything with 5 people following you around asking for money. It was the worst experience of my life. Go to the Caymans.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | January 9, 2024 3:15 AM |
R100 No one in our party of 8 got sick and one of them ordered soup every night which the three of us kept whispering that we were sure they'd get sick but they did not. Now I was careful not to order salad but a lot has changed since 1981. They told us that their water is heavily chlorinated and it can upset people's stomachs so they encourage you to drink bottled water. I brushed my teeth with bottled water and took no ice in my soda. No one got sick. I will say that the traffic in Cairo is unbelievable. It's terrible. No lanes, few stop lights, It's like dodge 'em. YOu can walk around but you will get pestered by locals to buy stuff. Tell them no, and they leave you alone. I got my pockets picked in Rome by trevi Fountain. I didn't have any problems in Cairo.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | January 9, 2024 4:06 AM |
R94 You were on a guided tour so I guess you didn't leave the beaten path and travel alone. I was with a pal who has worked all over Africa and recently we talked about the huge disappointment that Egypt was. Perhaps it has gotten better over the last 5 years, but when your journey begins with the immigration officer asking you to pay for the return of your passport, your eyes are opened and you see the place as it really is.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | January 9, 2024 4:11 AM |
To the poster who has been to 60 countries, may I ask what you do for a living? Did you inherit wealth? Iām just very curious because thatās a lot of money to travel that much. Just curious is all.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | January 9, 2024 4:19 AM |
[quote] I'd even like to go to Saudi Arabia one day if possible.
Only if it was possible to safely make it with some of the sexually repressed guys running around. So, probably not.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | January 9, 2024 4:43 AM |
I lived in Jeddah for 8 months in 1981 and also visited Riyadh and Dhahran several times while there (as well as Amman, Egypt, Doha, Manama, Abu Dhabi.)
by Anonymous | reply 108 | January 9, 2024 4:48 AM |
Canada!
You know how "nice" they all seem? It;s just a front. None of them would hesitate to cut a bitch.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | January 9, 2024 4:56 AM |
^^^ And the weather sucks. It never stops raining in Vancouver and they got all bitchy when David Duchovny complained about it.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | January 9, 2024 5:09 AM |
Thanks for the helpful info, R104. Glad you had a good time.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | January 9, 2024 5:13 AM |
ANY country in Asia. I wouldn't step foot in a single one.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | January 9, 2024 5:16 AM |
What's wrong with Japan, other than the fact that if you're white and you sit next to a Japanese person on the train, they'll get off at the next stop. They don't want to sit next to whitey.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | January 9, 2024 5:19 AM |
Too. Fucking. Crowded.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | January 9, 2024 5:21 AM |
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by Anonymous | reply 115 | January 9, 2024 5:24 AM |
North Korea is a no-brainer. Who the hell wants to go there.
South Korea: I'd like to go. I love Korean food and they have cooler seasons.
India: I love Indian food and I would consider going there during the right season (weather).
by Anonymous | reply 116 | January 9, 2024 5:26 AM |
I want to visit Ceylon, Burma and Rhodesia.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | January 9, 2024 5:29 AM |
R117 but would you go to Myanmar, Sri Lanka or Zimbabwe?
by Anonymous | reply 118 | January 9, 2024 5:36 AM |
[quote] relaxed masculine men
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by Anonymous | reply 119 | January 9, 2024 5:37 AM |
The insular opinions here are far more nauseating than any food served at the Cairo Hilton.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | January 9, 2024 5:37 AM |
R107: Top tip, head to London during the summer and check out some of the bars in Soho, there are loads of Saudi boys over to play for long weekends.
R108: Well, how was it?
by Anonymous | reply 121 | January 9, 2024 5:38 AM |
Ghana is an antigay shitholse R8. Even the biggest celebrities there are terrified of being outed.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | January 9, 2024 5:41 AM |
Korean is by far the eaiest China-like Asian language to write and read (so obviously we are not talking Indonesia).
by Anonymous | reply 123 | January 9, 2024 5:42 AM |
R123 Korean is not linguistically related to Chinese at all.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | January 9, 2024 5:50 AM |
North Korea. For reasons that are well known to it.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | January 9, 2024 6:01 AM |
Russia- the Russians I have met over the years have all been the most tacky & rude people. Also Russian cuisine...... China- I have been & have no desire to go back. Also interacting with the Chinese here in the US- nothing endearing about that culture. India- Haven't been, but have friends that have been & hated it. The poverty & filth- I cant look beyond that visiting a country. Also the Indians I have worked with here in the US, they are always late & always want a discount.......
by Anonymous | reply 126 | January 9, 2024 6:44 AM |
I didn't have any real reason for the idea, but Haiti once seemed like it'd be cool to visit. Joining a day tour about the historic slave rebellion, all that bright self-taught art, and it's never had the reputation of being overrun with American tourists (a plus).
But I think it is going to stay a "never," because at the rate things are going I'll be dead before it's fit to enter.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | January 9, 2024 7:15 AM |
Latveria.
I hear their king is a nutjob.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | January 9, 2024 7:17 AM |
Haiti. It seems sad there and unsafe.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | January 9, 2024 7:40 AM |
Any country that has an extradition agreement with Bhutan.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | January 9, 2024 7:56 AM |
Genovia.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | January 9, 2024 8:24 AM |
[quote]In retrospect, I shouldn't have eaten the salad.
It's usually ice in drinks or the shower.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | January 9, 2024 9:09 AM |
China: People who have left the place to live in other countries say it is a polluted hell-hole. And they never go back to see their relatives.
Indonesia: Just too fucking scary, even Bali is too risky.
India, Thailand and Cambodia: Everyone who goes gets sick.
The Middle East: No fucking way.
Russia and Mexico: Wish I'd gone decades ago, but not worth it now.
North Korea: They don't let anyone in or out, do they?
by Anonymous | reply 133 | January 9, 2024 9:39 AM |
I was forced to go to Nigeria for my brother's wedding even though I said I never wanted to go. Half of my siblings married Nigerians. I was able to avoid it for the twenty-five years of my older brother's marriage and Nigerian in-laws, but my younger brother just got married to a Nigerian woman last December. The women themselves are educated beyond (as are many many Nigerians educated abroad) having attended Penn Law and Wharton, respectively. But that country is a shit show. I have never seen such poverty first hand literally next to a ten million dollar home with the billionaires boat parked right in front. The plane ride alone on AirFrance smelled like ass as soon as I stepped on and it looked like backstage of the Muppet show with all the massive hair hats and braid the women were wearing. The airport, my god... 8 people movers, all broken, outlets broken, the door to the bathroom, broken. The wedding itself was 1500 people with a staff of about 100 poor Nigerians working it. Every time you passed a staff member they asked if you wanted to bless them with a gift of good tidings. I was like "the rich people are inside..." There is an entire island in the middle of Lagos of nothing but shanty homes staked on top of each other with like 250k people living in them. The entire country seems to be outside and on the side of the road. The crazy thing is that everyone on all levels seemed to be OK with it. The upper class LOVES it and travels back as often as they can. The poor people seem to be OK with their lot in life. But you have to live behind gate with guards, escorted everywhere with by armed guards. Even cars entering the hotel driveway had to open the hood and the trunk to check for bombs before entering. It was the worst.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | January 9, 2024 10:43 AM |
Floriduh.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | January 9, 2024 11:10 AM |
Like OMG, there are countries in this world where you have to actually see and interact with poor people and, gasp, they smell bad too. I never get diarrhea from the Chipotle next to Taco Bell by the Dunkin Donuts near the Walmart. And at least the obese people in my family are well fed! There is no way I can look at one of those third world beggars in the eye without throwing up my food from the sight of them. They donāt take showers and some of them need to discover Old Spice deodorant. Just filthy. A proper vacation for me is the Wilton Manor beach cabana with handsome men serving me my spicy margarita, made with clean drinking water straight from the tap, a bag of my Costco jujubes, and some nice shade. No homeless people in sight. Ah, America.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | January 9, 2024 11:25 AM |
R136 acts like it is free to travel and probably doesn't have a passport. No I am not going to spend $8000 just to experience exactly what you described. So you are about right. And besides, you conveniently left out that in half of the places mentioned it is illegal to be gay. So yeah, why would I want to support the economy of a country that jails or persecutes people like me?
by Anonymous | reply 137 | January 9, 2024 12:09 PM |
We all know R136 is wearing a caftan and earrings.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | January 9, 2024 12:15 PM |
R117, first, you may have to take a trip in a time-machine.
Anecdote: I was talking to a travel agent (yes, they still exist) yesterday evening. And this topic (tangentially) came up. He told me about one of his client's parents that came to visit the USA and got mugged on their second day in midtown Manhattan. They lived in Mumbai for 60 years and never had this happen to them.
I love, and by that I mean, fucking hate all the posts that start, "I knew someone who went to...and hated it" "Well, Wikipedia says..."
Get out there and experience shit for yourselves.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | January 9, 2024 12:22 PM |
There are A LOT of countries that are extremely homphobic - Jamaica, Dubai (UAE in general and a slew of Muslim Nations), Nigeria (and a slew of African nations), Samoa, Papua New Guinea. For that reason alone, you won't find me supporting their economies with tourist dollars when there are so many accepting, beautiful nations to visit.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | January 9, 2024 12:23 PM |
Isnāt it illegal to say āgayā in Tampon, Flori-duh?
by Anonymous | reply 141 | January 9, 2024 12:32 PM |
R115, Israel isn't a genocidal fascist state, that's just antisemtic propaganda bullshit. The REAL reason not to go is because the Arabs around it are all terrorists who want to attack and destroy it, who will literally torture and butcher you for being gay or jewish... they're the REAL genocidal fascist terrorists.
That said, I'd never set foot in a single country anywhere in the backwards barbaric Middle-East.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | January 9, 2024 1:20 PM |
r142, nope, no propaganda there in your post.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | January 9, 2024 1:26 PM |
That is correct. Just facts.
You can see it by what Hamas did on October 7th, unless you're an antisemetic bigot who wants to ignore reality and blame the Jews for everything.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | January 9, 2024 1:29 PM |
R134 There is a sizeable Nigerian population in my country. My neighbourās daughter married a Nigerian man. They married here but had the reception in Nigeria. Their impression of the country is the same as yours except his people are not educate your kids in the US rich. Heās a cab driver here and his family in Nigeria are small business owners. My neighbours came back with a sort of existential crisis. Their son in law insists that the poverty in Nigeria is just ānormalā poverty that can be seen anywhere. They insist itās not and it was hell on earth.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | January 9, 2024 1:44 PM |
Yes I know that R15, sheesh. There are many nations in Africa I would visit- Some, no, due to political reasons. That was sort of my point.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | January 9, 2024 2:06 PM |
Iāll never visit Cuba as long as it is a communist prison state.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | January 9, 2024 2:26 PM |
I've been to Sri Lanka to an elephant sanctuary among other things. Once you get used to the monkeys visiting your room through open windows, and stealing from you it's fine. The thing to remember when you go to South East Asia or the Middle East, or countries in Africa, is that the standard of living is so different from ours, that the poor in America have it better than the poor in those regions. Life is a daily struggle and for many of them, getting a job working in a hotel like a Hyatt or a Marriott, or a Hilton is something they are very proud of. I can't tell you how often the young ones told me that they sent money home to their families who still lived in small villages.As we drove down the roads leaving a city, it very quickly became rural, and people still used carts with donkeys to transport goods and they rode three or four to a small motorbike. I saw workers carting huge bundles of sugar cane on regular old bicycles piled so high you wondered how it all got to its destination. And in Cairo, if you turned down a street getting away from the hotel, any side street, the small grocery stores, clothing stores, all manner of little shops were there for the locals. We didn't feel unsafe. The people were very kind. In fact if I had to describe the experience at all I was most impressed with their kindness. But then, we were tourists, American tourists.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | January 9, 2024 2:51 PM |
Under the right conditions, there are few places I wouldn't go - I'd even go to Russia since I'd love to see the Winter Palace, all that - but I would not go to Saudi Arabia. Hellhole country, most of which would love to cut your head off if given the opportunity and sponsors of terrorism.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | January 9, 2024 2:59 PM |
[quote]and sponsors of terrorism
and, sponsored heavily by whom???
by Anonymous | reply 150 | January 9, 2024 3:07 PM |
I've heard a lot of talk about Dubai but I would never consider going there.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | January 9, 2024 3:14 PM |
Second me for Jamaica. The homophobia and the pushy attitude of people who are from Jamaica. My grandmother had a nurse from Jamaica who was an absolute cunt. And I knew guys from the JBM growing up. Terrible human beings, if you want to call them that.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | January 9, 2024 3:22 PM |
Afghanistan and Iraq. Do I really need to explain why?
by Anonymous | reply 153 | January 9, 2024 3:22 PM |
R141, since the mayor of Tampa is openly gay, no.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | January 9, 2024 6:05 PM |
Italy
Origin place of so many rightwing shitstains
Cowardly ship captains
People squawk like parrots
Birthplace of fascism
by Anonymous | reply 155 | January 9, 2024 6:12 PM |
[quote]R65: Keep back-pedalling [R48]. Youāre the one who thought that a massive continent of 54 countries was one country, not me. Iām glad that youāve been educated just a little bit today.
No, sweetheart - that was R6, not me. I never claimed that Africa was one country. My observation was that none of the 54 countries in Africa are 'safe' to visit. Pay attention to who's posting what.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | January 9, 2024 6:15 PM |
Are all American gays as sheltered and uneducated as the people posting on this thread? Depressing. Stay home, please.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | January 9, 2024 6:23 PM |
No r157. Thr rest are EVEN MORE SO.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | January 9, 2024 6:31 PM |
Long ago I told my mother (a worldwide traveler) not to go to India because the New York Philharmonic (or something like that) were driven from their 5-star hotel by swarms of cockroaches. She went anyway, didn't see a cockroach.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | January 9, 2024 6:36 PM |
I would never step foot anywhere in asia or the middle east or most of africa. There are many places in central and south america I would never set foot in.
Hell, there are states in the United States I'd never set foot in.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | January 9, 2024 7:19 PM |
Sounds kind of silly to say you'd never go anywhere in "Asia," but OK.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | January 9, 2024 8:02 PM |
Talk about menace and corruption, then you gotta talk about Mexico. I've been to Acapulco several times and to Cancun and Cozumel and the abject poverty of the people, begging in the streets, kids selling chewing gum, outside high end restaurants, street crime, etc. The homeless sleeping on the beaches and during the nights, the National Police stationed on the beaches with automatic weapons, in Acapulco Bay You'd look out your hotel window and see homeless people, kids sleeping in the shadowed corners of the hotel grounds. And you haven't met corruption until you've dealt with Mexican cops. This was my experience in the 80's and 90's. I don't think much has changed. I can say the same for Brazil. So put Mexico on your list for filth, poverty and corruption.And yeah, as careful as we were, we all got sick about three days into our trip.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | January 9, 2024 8:04 PM |
in MAGA, we believe filth, poverty and corruption are centered in NYC and SF.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | January 9, 2024 8:08 PM |
In Malibu, the homeless are sleeping on the beaches and during the nights. What has America become? A third world country?
by Anonymous | reply 164 | January 9, 2024 8:10 PM |
R155 = American without a passport.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | January 9, 2024 8:15 PM |
For those who say they'd never go to Asia, Japan is a phenomenal place, ultra-modern next to the very old and traditional. I'd like to go to Taiwan and South Korea. All three of them probably have a higher standard of living than any western country.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | January 9, 2024 8:17 PM |
I have been to China six or seven times. I like Shanghai quite a bit but it is a difficult country. My worst experience was in Chengdu. They told us to visit the market and I had to leave. Disgusting. Also, if you have a problem with people spitting, China is not the place for you. They do it everywhere.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | January 9, 2024 8:20 PM |
Iām going to assume there was animal cruelty involved at that market R167.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | January 9, 2024 8:23 PM |
Hong Kong is also a cool place to visit. I've never been to mainland China, so can't compare.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | January 9, 2024 8:25 PM |
R166 have you seen the movie, Parasite? You should.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | January 9, 2024 8:34 PM |
I'm gonna avoid Japan because it's fucking radio active, and they keep having earthquakes and tidal waves and shit.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | January 9, 2024 8:35 PM |
I'm an admitted travel junkie: I've been to nearly 90 countries on all seven continents. At one point I was less than a month away from touring North Korea when they announced that they'd developed their own nuke. (I wanted to go anyway, but the touring company discontinued all tours after that.) I do, however, have a list of likely permanent no-go locales.
A few are obvious, e.g. Russia or any Muslim country that actively targets gays. (I'm fine with ones that don't, e.g. Morocco & the UAE.) Also obviously Uganda & Jamaica. Some are just common sense: the majority of sub-Saharan Africa is either enmeshed in wars or conflicts of some sort, and aren't likely to have any Western tourism in my lifetime. (OTOH it's fucking ridiculous to say you never want to visit "Africa," more generally. Morocco is incredible; Egypt is partially in Africa (though I haven't yet been); and South Africa is a breathtakingly incredible country that's been sadly ruined by Jacob Zuma's time as president. Google the term "load-shedding" to see how massively fucked up it is today.
I was apparently ahead of my time in this manner, but I've declined multiple invites over 20 years to visit one country in particular: Israel. I refused because I don't support apartheid, an explanation that even *five* years ago required explanation to most Americans. (And to get it out of the way: yes, I think Hamas's attack was fucking appalling, but Israel's response is vastly worse, and the end is nowhere in sight.) I was, however, less than a week from departing for a trip to nearby Jordan ā mainly to see Petra ā in early March 2020, which obviously didn't end up happening.
While I'd like to think R6 is joking about not visiting countries if the people in them are "ugly," unfortunately a now-former friend of mine did the same fucking thing. Appalling. (And who the fuck flies all the way to India just to get laid? You can get your dick sucked anywhere, but there's only one Taj Mahal.)
Also can't believe anyone would simply dismiss the entirety of Asia as if it's some sort of monolith. While I'd definitely agree it's intimidating in many ways, it has some of the world's most truly astounding sites. I'd actively avoided visiting Angkor Wat because I knew how badly it'd suffered the ravages of mass tourism. The pandemic ground tourism throughout Southeast Asia to a halt, however, but when they announced its countries were reopening, I booked a ticket there immediately. (Also helpful that I could fly literally anywhere accessible via commercial flight and in business class, since so few people were yet traveling. Not joking that my flight from Singapore to Tokyo ā on a JAL Boeing 787 ā had a grand total of 11 passengers!)
Angkor Wat routinely saw 20,000 visitors a day pre-Covid, mainly Chinese & Russian. The *largest* total for the three days I was there? 56 people. (And I had a five-star hotel for $26/night, including meals *and* booze.) Handily in my top-three travel experiences EVER, though Antarctica tops that list permanently.
The one region I haven't yet explored at length: East Asia. Unlike R171, I know full well that the entirety of Japan isn't "fucking radio active [sic]," and that ample amounts of radiation emanate from the Earth's crust every second. Japan, South Korea & Taiwan are all possible options for my next big international trip, and I'd literally be hiking through Patagonia right now if I hadn't broken my ankle in late November.
But WOW are some of you bitches provincial, bigoted and/or cowardly! Obviously I get it if you refuse to visit anywhere hostile to gays, but Italy FFS? Seriously?? (No, it being the "birthplace of fascism" isn't a sufficient excuse.) I guess we simply differ, but there's one country I would *totally* visit in a heartbeat if it ever overthrows its leaders: Iran. It has some of the most stunning architectural wonders in the world, and unlike those in Afghanistan and Syria, they haven't been systematically destroyed by the Taliban or any extreme Muslim factions.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | January 9, 2024 8:46 PM |
R168 to a level I had never seen before. And the products they were displaying were gross but the smoking, the dirty nails of the shopkeepers touching everything and the constant spitting....
by Anonymous | reply 173 | January 9, 2024 8:47 PM |
Out of curiosity, those of you have who would never visit xyz, have you even traveled out of your home state?
by Anonymous | reply 174 | January 9, 2024 8:55 PM |
Iāve been to Ecuador before, but I think I would stay away for now. I would only go back for the Galapagos anyway.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | January 9, 2024 9:00 PM |
R173, you're aware that cooking food eliminates all cooties, right? I'm guessing you don't know that hygiene standards right here in the ol' U.S. of A. are sometimes as bad as anywhere in China. If you think their wet markets are gross, try visiting an industrial farming facility in any given Central US state. Cattle are killed using the same prod Javier Bardem wielded in "No Country for Old Men."
While this doesn't seem physically possible, the "processing plant" I once visited (long story, but it was part of a work-related project) had over 600,000 cattle ON SITE (!!!). (It was admittedly hundreds, if not thousands, of acres, but still.) Considering that the cattle are almost instantly eviscerated along the bottom ā allowing their guts, and accrued feces, out ā and it's routine for some of said feces to make its way onto the final product, you're being more than a bit naive. (And prissy.)
If you live anywhere in the southwest US, you've likely had meals prepared in part by undocumented workers paid under the table. (They handle most low-level cooking tasks in the kitchen.) True story: I went to a well-known Tex-Mex restaurant in Austin about 15 years ago. When going to the bathroom to pee, I saw a kitchen worker come out after taking a shit ā and carrying all of his dirty TP in a plastic bag. And no, he didn't wash his hands. (Btw it's standard in most parts of Mexico & Central America to not flush TP; they have subpar septic systems that can't handle TP, period.)
Yes, Chinese men spit a lot. OTOH I was in San Francisco two months ago and a homeless guy dropped trou 10 feet away from me ā on the middle of a sidewalk near Union Square ā and squirted out pure liquid shit. (Thankfully NOT in my direction.) If you can't handle even the *slightest* grossness in your travels, why not become a shut-in already?
R175, the topic is "name a country you'll never visit." You've already been to Ecuador, which by itself eliminates it, and while I also wouldn't go right *now*, I definitely would once its domestic situation improves. (It did in Colombia, which was formerly *far* worse off.)
by Anonymous | reply 176 | January 9, 2024 9:02 PM |
Most Americans have no passport/interest in traveling. It does require a curiosity in other people and a willingness to get out of their comfort zone. It also can be rather expensive. I prefer to go to places where most Americans avoid. That said, I probably won't make it to Israel at this point, for obvious reasons.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | January 9, 2024 9:07 PM |
South Korea uses fertilizer made from human wasteā¦donāt eat the produce unless itās thoroughly cleaned.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | January 9, 2024 9:18 PM |
[quote]....but there's only one Taj Mahal.
And these days it's shrouded in pollution.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | January 9, 2024 9:18 PM |
[quote]South Korea uses fertilizer made from human wasteā¦donāt eat the produce unless itās thoroughly cleaned.
The fuck?? Nearly ALL fertilizers ā the natural, non-chemical variety, that is ā are derived from shit, though most use animal shit. Shit's still shit though, and even in the US you shouldn't eat produce unless it's been thoroughly cleaned. (We don't use human waste as fertilizer, but the impoverished migrants who pick nearly every bit of fruit & veg grown in America routinely have filthy hands ā in part because the farms where they work almost never have toilets (even port-a-potties). No toilets = migrants peeing & pooping in the fields adjacent to where they're working at the time, obviously sans soap & water for handwashing.
Really, unless you grow ALL of your own food, there's always at least the chance of encountering food that may include stuff you don't like (such as human waste), and I say that having once gotten one of the most severe ailments in this area: E. coli. Still the only time in my life that I had both a 104Āŗ fever and literal delusions. (Not counting that time in college on shrooms.)
by Anonymous | reply 180 | January 9, 2024 9:27 PM |
I thought human waste was nastier than animal waste because most of us are omnivores.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | January 9, 2024 9:30 PM |
Human waste is nastier because if it hasn't been properly composted, the viruses and parasites in it may cause disease.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | January 9, 2024 9:34 PM |
[quote]Most Americans have no passport/interest in traveling. It does require a curiosity in other people and a willingness to get out of their comfort zone. It also can be rather expensive.
Most Americans, yes, R177. IN 2017, 42% of Americans held a passport (including passport cards -- good for Mexico, Canada, Bermuda, Caribbean countries by land or sea). I was surprised, however, by the strong rate of growth in passport numbers.
- In 1990, 3% of Americans had passports
- In 2007, 27%
- In 2017, 42%
For comparison, 66% of Canadians hold passports, 76% of UK citizens, and 80% to high 90s% for nearly all of the EU.
Of course not every American can afford international travel, but I'm always amused by the excuses: "There are so many states right here in the US that I've never seen, why would I leave the country?" (asked by someone who has never been to Nebraska, for example), or even the expense, poor-mouthed by someone with multiple cars in their garage, or a five-acre plot that they can't keep mown because they don't want neighbors too near.) For people who *could* make travel a priority but don't, I think the root reason is a deep-seated suspicion of travel and of other countries. Curiosity is discouraged through a years' long indoctrination that all of the rest of the world is a shithole, scraping by in miserable and/or quaint conditions, backwards, and stiffled without the great American Freedoms.
[quote]From among the 50 states and Washington D.C., Americans on average have been to 17. While one in 10 Americans (11%) say they've never left the state they live in, fewer than 2% say they've visited at least 50 of the 51 states and D.C. [source: today.yougov.com/travel/articles/43843]
by Anonymous | reply 183 | January 9, 2024 9:36 PM |
Or Americans just donāt have the time off to travel.
The great conspiracies about thinking America is so great wouldnāt preclude a citizen from traveling to other states
by Anonymous | reply 185 | January 9, 2024 9:59 PM |
"The poverty, the filth, the air quality of the large cities, the smells, crap in the streets, the food, and finally, all of those phone people I've had the misfortune of speaking with over the years"
Are you sure you aren't thinking of California?
by Anonymous | reply 186 | January 9, 2024 10:03 PM |
R183, I know most Americans lack passports, but those stats still seem off (and R184's link to the supposed page containing them doesn't work). Only 3% of ALL Americans had passports in 1990?? I'd already visited a dozen countries by then! (NOT counting Canada or Mexico)
[quote]For comparison, 66% of Canadians hold passports, 76% of UK citizens, and 80% to high 90s% for nearly all of the EU.
I'm unclear why you think this is novel. You can't travel within the Schengen Area without at least *obtaining* a passport from your home nation, even if you don't need one for crossing its internal borders. The UK was part of it until Brexit, so that includes them as well. (I'll be curious to see if their passport numbers drop as one issued pre-Brexit start expiring en masse.) Canada's still a Commonwealth country, so I'm not surprised by their high passport-possession rate.
[quote][A]sked by someone who has never been to Nebraska, for example
Curious example: I've been to 40+ states, but never Nebraska ā in part because my best friend moved there for a few years after college and consistently described it as a "boring shithole filled with nothing but Republicans and farms." Am I missing something?
by Anonymous | reply 187 | January 9, 2024 10:15 PM |
Sorry for the link, R187. Here's a different link to the same data.
[quote]I'm unclear why you think this is novel. You can't travel within the Schengen Area without at least *obtaining* a passport from your home nation, even if you don't need one for crossing its internal borders.
I don't find it novel. I added those numbers just for some comparison/context. Passports are commonplace in the EU, sometimes simply as an alternate form of ID, even if a proper national identity card for EU citizens/permanent residents [bold]is sufficient[/bold] for travel within the Schengen area.
[quote] As an EU national, you have the right to travel freely in the 27 EU member countries as well as in Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland (non-EU countries but members of the Schengen area) carrying either a valid passport or a national identity card (ID). [source: europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-citizen/]
Your friend is right about Nebraska. I too have been to just over 40 US states and have had the misfortune to have been over most of Nebraska and...Nothing to see there. I picked it only as just one of the deadliest dull of US states, but there are others that are far from the equal of the states richer in things worth travelling to see. Many Americans cling to the romance of the old roadside diner paper place-mats with the a map of the 50 states shown, thinking that the rest of the world can wait until they've seen Tulsa. Not every state is a cornucopia of riches for the traveller.
by Anonymous | reply 188 | January 9, 2024 10:54 PM |
The Netherlands
For the amazing Dutch dick
by Anonymous | reply 189 | January 9, 2024 10:56 PM |
R186: More likely, Florida.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | January 9, 2024 11:08 PM |
R187 - serious question - what does Canada being in the Commonwealth have to do with their passport possession numbers?
by Anonymous | reply 191 | January 9, 2024 11:10 PM |
Where does your mom live? I wonāt visit there.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | January 9, 2024 11:17 PM |
Yeah, I don't see how human waste is any worse than any other omnivore waste (for fertilizer). Unless the human is on chemotherapy or something like that.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | January 9, 2024 11:17 PM |
I'm not sure what the percentage of Canadians having passports has to do with the Commonwealth. I think it has more to do with 9/11. Prior to that, Canadians could travel to the U.S. by land and by air with just a driver's license and a birth certificate. Many Canadians who live near the border travel by car to the U.S. for cheaper gasoline, groceries, etc.
After 9/11, the evil Yankees decided to make passports mandatory because they're so worried about Canadian terrorists.
by Anonymous | reply 194 | January 9, 2024 11:20 PM |
R44 Well, I never!
by Anonymous | reply 195 | January 9, 2024 11:21 PM |
R193, because diseases in human poop are more easily transmitted to other humans than diseases in animal poop. The bacteria, viruses and parasites have already adapted to the human gut. It's common sense.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | January 9, 2024 11:23 PM |
[quote]I want to visit Ceylon, Burma and Rhodesia.
Make sure to add Upper Volta, Bechuanaland, and East Pakistan to your list!
by Anonymous | reply 197 | January 9, 2024 11:25 PM |
Thank you [R10]!
by Anonymous | reply 198 | January 9, 2024 11:34 PM |
Andorra but only because it seems difficult to get toā¦
by Anonymous | reply 199 | January 9, 2024 11:50 PM |
Singapore... too many rules
by Anonymous | reply 200 | January 9, 2024 11:59 PM |
I think I'll scratch Ecuador off my bucket list.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | January 10, 2024 12:07 AM |
[quote]Sounds kind of silly to say you'd never go anywhere in "Asia," but OK.
Why? Name one place there that has anything even remotely appealing to me. It's vastly overpopulated (I loathe crowds), don't care for most of the food, lots of it is poor and crime-ridden and polluted... I can't think of a single place in all of ASIA, from Russia to India to Japan to Indonesia, that I'd actually have any desire to go for any reason at all.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | January 10, 2024 12:09 AM |
R166, the idea of visiting Tokyo is my idea of hell. You couldn't pay me enough to go to such a huge crowded place where I don't know the language, don't like most of the food, and can't stand the culture.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | January 10, 2024 12:12 AM |
R202 Iām assuming that youāve at least travelled to some places in āASIAā - as you call it - to have made this very informed opinion.
Could you find āASIAā on a map? Do you have a passport? Have you used it?
by Anonymous | reply 204 | January 10, 2024 12:13 AM |
Tokyo is one city in Japan. Japan has varied population densities, depending on where you are, geographically. The population density of NYC is not representative of the entire US.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | January 10, 2024 12:16 AM |
Really?
Doesn't Cherry Blossom Season appeal? Not even a tiny little bit?
by Anonymous | reply 206 | January 10, 2024 12:16 AM |
China. Filthy air and tiny dicks.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | January 10, 2024 12:17 AM |
R201 Friends retired in Ecuador, outside of the big cities. High elevation, perfect weather, friendly people. They are very happy.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | January 10, 2024 12:20 AM |
R205, R203 doesnāt understand that Japan is not just one city and hates the food even though you can get a decent cheeseburger there. As far as the culture? R203 is obviously highly educated in Japanese culture to make such a sweeping statement.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | January 10, 2024 12:26 AM |
R207 do you only visit places (states, in your case, rather than countries, obviously) where you are likely to get laid?
Youāre a bit pathetic, arenāt you, R207?
by Anonymous | reply 210 | January 10, 2024 12:28 AM |
Seth Efrica
by Anonymous | reply 211 | January 10, 2024 12:33 AM |
R210 The prospect of getting laid in a foreign land is one of the best parts of traveling.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | January 10, 2024 12:36 AM |
get with the times, people. my husband and i just came back from 2 weeks in India and it was one of the most glorious trips we've ever taken. there's a smart and dumb way to visit any country.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | January 10, 2024 12:37 AM |
R213 thereās a whole lot of dumb on this thread.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | January 10, 2024 12:42 AM |
R211 Cape Town was one of the most beautiful places I've ever been. I highly recommend it!
by Anonymous | reply 215 | January 10, 2024 12:45 AM |
R212 Furthermore, there's often a very enjoyable extra level of intensity when having sex with a man from a homophobic country, as compared to one from a more liberal country. Take that for what it's worth.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | January 10, 2024 12:56 AM |
Holland, because I think it could never SUPPORT me!
by Anonymous | reply 217 | January 10, 2024 3:33 AM |
Me...
by Anonymous | reply 218 | January 10, 2024 4:39 AM |
Russia because Putin is evil and I don't want to step on to the ground he may have walked.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | January 10, 2024 4:50 AM |
When you say āHollandā you mean āThe Netherlandsā, right, R217?
by Anonymous | reply 220 | January 10, 2024 4:58 AM |
R210 is Chinese.
Sorry about your penis.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | January 10, 2024 11:59 AM |
r221 is five years old. Sorry about your stunted mental growth.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | January 10, 2024 12:01 PM |
So you *are* Chinese, R222. Got it.
Hey, take heart. You're ahead of Turkey and Ireland!
by Anonymous | reply 223 | January 10, 2024 12:05 PM |
Iāve been to Asia, Europe, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean. I would not trade my experiences for anything, but the older I get the more safer I feel about staying in my own country. I love cruises but they give you one or two days in a port, which is quite enough for me.
by Anonymous | reply 224 | January 10, 2024 2:36 PM |
[quote] more safer
by Anonymous | reply 225 | January 10, 2024 3:10 PM |
Eat my š© r225.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | January 10, 2024 3:18 PM |
Any place with virulent anti-gay laws.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | January 10, 2024 3:27 PM |
God, some of you people are boring and scared of your shadow. Keep to Disney.
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Where I have no desire to go: most Caribbean countries that cater to cruise ships. UAE and Qatarā¦Iād visit on a layover but have no desire to make them a destination because of the fakeness and influencer culture. Anywhere experiencing war or conflict. Duh.
Good starter countries for you fraidy-cats: Ireland, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Malta, Singapore, Uruguay. In Africa: Botswana and Namibia.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | January 10, 2024 3:40 PM |
Damn, many flags didnāt make it through.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | January 10, 2024 3:43 PM |
If you have never left the country (Canada doesn't count) and you want to put your toe in the water, so to speak, then go to the UK. Go to Paris and London. You've seen enough about them on TV so you won't feel totally out of place and "scared." If you're really "adventurous" after that, schedule it so that you spend four days in London and it's surroundings, four days in Paris and its surroundings, and hop on a train in Paris and go to another country In a matter of 3-5 hours you can be somewhere else and have a look around for a couple of days. Eurail is cheap.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | January 10, 2024 5:05 PM |
Yes, but are the French really obnoxious if you only speak English?
by Anonymous | reply 231 | January 10, 2024 9:27 PM |
Are you an international jewel thief r228?
by Anonymous | reply 232 | January 10, 2024 9:29 PM |
This seems like as good a place as any to drop this for some of you.
by Anonymous | reply 233 | January 11, 2024 2:57 AM |
China -- I lived in Japan too long, and their prejudice against China rubbed off on me.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | January 11, 2024 2:58 AM |
Damn, how long were you in Japan, and seriously never popped over to China r234?
by Anonymous | reply 235 | January 11, 2024 3:00 AM |
About five years, r235. I went to Korea, but not China. No way!
by Anonymous | reply 236 | January 11, 2024 3:02 AM |
[quote] If you have never left the country (Canada doesn't count) and you want to put your toe in the water, so to speak, then go to the UK. Go to Paris and London.
Paris is kind of daunting, IMO. I'd say go to London and maybe Germany. Both countries, you can get by with English. You can get by with English in Paris, too, but I'd say they're prickly there about Americans.
That said, I loved Paris, even though I got treated rudely.
London, Paris: Expen$ive.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | January 11, 2024 3:44 AM |
Italy was really easy to get around with just English too, at least the big touristy cities.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | January 11, 2024 3:45 AM |
R234 number one way to justify heinous torture and murder of an entire populace aka what the Japanese did to the Chinese during WWIIā brainwashing citizens into thinking said populace are subhuman.
You were trained well.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | January 11, 2024 3:46 AM |
Actually, R239 , having lived in Asia for a number of years I can tell that some of the most virulent anti Chinese commentary that I heard was from ethnic Chinese in Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Malaysia. No brainwashing at all - just a belief that mainland Chinese are on the whole not pleasant to be around.
Having spent a lot of time there, I concur.
by Anonymous | reply 240 | January 11, 2024 4:12 AM |
All this āgetting by with Englishā nonsense - have none of you ever heard of Google Translate?
by Anonymous | reply 241 | January 11, 2024 4:13 AM |
After visiting southern Italy, I've had enough of the 3rd world.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | January 11, 2024 11:19 AM |
See the countries with ANY shade of brown in the image at the link:
by Anonymous | reply 243 | January 11, 2024 3:28 PM |
Because the average American has historically been resistant to learning other languages, the rest of the world has been forced to learn American English. It may surprise you to discover that the average European can speak several languages, including English. Now it may not be perfect English, but they will understand you and they will respond. In English. I've been to Paris, London, Rome Florence, Venice, Capri, etc.etc..etc. and never had any problem ever. Even in the little shops and local stores. And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn to say a few words, like please and thank you. Even if your language skills are poor, they appreciate the effort.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | January 11, 2024 4:19 PM |
The rest of the world isnāt forced to learn American English. They chose to learn it because American pop culture dominated for decades.
What an asinine conclusion.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | January 11, 2024 5:33 PM |
[quote]After visiting southern Italy, I've had enough of the 3rd world.
You have no idea.
by Anonymous | reply 246 | January 11, 2024 5:40 PM |
R244 R245 It's much more complex than that... yes "American movies/pop culture" was an international presence... but England and its empire spread English all over the world, then American economic and scientific emergence... and so English became the lingua franca... the language of science, business. There are many more in the world now who speak English as a second language than as their native language.
But it's not universal. Last year I was in Portugal and Galicia. I found English speakers everywhere in Portugal... not so much in Galicia.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | January 11, 2024 5:58 PM |
True R247 the US dominated in more than just pop culture. However, the idea that the world was forced to learn American English because Americans wonāt learn a second language is ludicrous.
by Anonymous | reply 248 | January 11, 2024 6:34 PM |
[quote]After visiting southern Italy, I've had enough of the 3rd world.
Yeah, The Amalfi Coast, Positano, Vietri Sul Mare, Taormina, Trapani, Capri, Procida, Lecce, Sorrento, Alberobello ....just awful!
by Anonymous | reply 249 | January 11, 2024 6:43 PM |
R242 = Northern Italian
by Anonymous | reply 250 | January 11, 2024 6:50 PM |
R248 I think we are in agreement - the first more accurate edit here is to stop talking about "American English"....it's English.
For an example, if you are a physics student, who wants to study and do research in quantum mechanics, for example, you need to speak, read, and write English.
Some of this was developed by the attraction and elite status of American universities.... the hegemony of American (to a degree, British) education and research was substantially weakened when Trump made America off limits or hostile to immigrants. How much that damage was permanent is still not certain.
But advanced students in Berlin and Beijing still need to learn English.
by Anonymous | reply 251 | January 11, 2024 6:51 PM |
[quote]R251: I think we are in agreement - the first more accurate edit here is to stop talking about "American English"....it's English.
'American' English has quite a few proprietary spellings, usages, vernacular, idioms and colloquialisms, different from the British and/or Australian.
by Anonymous | reply 252 | January 11, 2024 8:19 PM |
OK, not "forced" but enticed by American tourist dollars post WW 2.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | January 11, 2024 9:44 PM |
India, because it is a shithole. Russia, for what theyāve done to Ukraine. China, for what it does to their own people.
by Anonymous | reply 254 | January 11, 2024 9:47 PM |
R253 here. Not everything was driven by scholarly pursuits and universities. I don't disagree with the fact that they were an influence but the average person with no college education also learned English. If your economy is a tourist driven economy, then the workers are going to do what they need to do to accommodate that.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | January 11, 2024 9:47 PM |
R252 You do understand that your "distinction" is irrelevant to the point being discussed, right?
by Anonymous | reply 256 | January 11, 2024 10:40 PM |
The few Americans who for whatever reason to speak England English end up sounding like William Buckley
by Anonymous | reply 257 | January 12, 2024 12:20 AM |
[quote] for whatever reason to speak England English
by Anonymous | reply 258 | January 12, 2024 12:23 AM |
try*
by Anonymous | reply 259 | January 12, 2024 12:36 AM |
It sounds horribly put on. Like weāre satirizing an Oscar Wilde play.
by Anonymous | reply 260 | January 12, 2024 12:48 AM |
Saudi Arabia...I'm gay...Enough said.
Russia under Putin...see above
China under Xi...Why do I want to spend my money to support a genocidal, dictatorial, human rights-abusing regime???
by Anonymous | reply 261 | January 12, 2024 12:53 AM |
[quote] China under Xi...Why do I want to spend my money to support a genocidal, dictatorial, human rights-abusing regime???
Donāt visit the United States if there is a second Trump term.
by Anonymous | reply 262 | January 12, 2024 12:56 AM |
Russia under Putin and waging war against Ukraine
China because the Chinese are so unpleasant and disgusting
Hungary because it is so right wing
I would have said Poland, but they have been wonderful in taking Ukrainian immigrants
Saudi Arabia because it isnāt safe, which is too bad because they are starting to develop the country in interesting ways
by Anonymous | reply 263 | January 12, 2024 3:24 AM |
Budapest is splendid. The people are great.
by Anonymous | reply 264 | January 12, 2024 3:30 AM |
R263 Refreshingly, Poland just got rid of their semi-fascist government and elected enlightened progressives.. I 'd love to go to Poland and Czech Republic and Hungary
by Anonymous | reply 265 | January 12, 2024 3:33 AM |
I wouldn't say never but I'll probably never visit Venezuela, Haiti and a bunch of unsafe countries like Sudan, Chad, Somalia.
by Anonymous | reply 266 | January 12, 2024 3:35 AM |
[quote]I 'd love to go to Poland and Czech Republic and Hungary
Go, they are cheap, safe and great places to visit. I've been to Budapest, Prague and Krakow which are all lovely places to visit for tourists with plenty to see.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | January 12, 2024 3:36 AM |
R265, not Hungary right now. They have an Uber Fascist racist homophobic POS bastard running the country.
by Anonymous | reply 268 | January 12, 2024 3:37 AM |
Budapesht.
by Anonymous | reply 269 | January 12, 2024 3:42 AM |
R268 The country is safe, clean, beautiful. No one is going to bother you.
by Anonymous | reply 270 | January 12, 2024 3:43 AM |
The Alisha stuff is so original and funny!
by Anonymous | reply 271 | January 12, 2024 3:47 AM |
āAlishaā? Thanks autocorrect.
Still not at all funny.
by Anonymous | reply 272 | January 12, 2024 3:48 AM |
by Anonymous | reply 273 | January 12, 2024 3:49 AM |
Humans have pretty much ruined the entire world. There's literally not a single place on the planet that I really want to visit anymore that I haven't already. Hell, I barely want to leave my house anymore.
by Anonymous | reply 274 | January 12, 2024 5:53 AM |
If you go on Reddit and other sites, the #1 answer to worst country they've ever been to is....Egypt.
I guess you'd have a better time in an escorted group, but walking around the streets is described as being just awful.
It's consistently at the top whenever this question is asked.
Makes India sound like heaven.
by Anonymous | reply 275 | January 12, 2024 6:08 AM |
[quote]No brainwashing at all - just a belief that mainland Chinese are on the whole not pleasant to be around. Having spent a lot of time there, I concur.
My yoga teaching, free spirited, love everyone, shanti shanti best friend said her layover in China on her way to Vietnam turned her into a racist.
by Anonymous | reply 276 | January 12, 2024 9:00 AM |
Some people don't have Wanderlusts, and that is fine. I never had much of one, although I do travel. I have no strong desire to visit countries I have never been to before just to experience them. When I travel I want to find places that I will want to return. I'd rather go deep into the culture of one place than dip my toe into several. That is how I enjoy travel, by living like a local in the same place of the course of years. If you travel to all the places as Flagman did above, then you really can't do that.
I admittedly have no Wanderlust, but I did move to Italy in 2021 after 26 years in NYC. It was time for a change. I moved to Rome now I am living in Florence. For a country smaller geographically than the state of California, there are so many unique and different cities to visit. So far I have been to the standard - Venice, Rome, Florence, Milan, Amalfi, Capri. But I loved Siena, Verona, Ortigia. I am 45 minutes aways from Bologna, but I have yet to go, and I want to try and get to Turino next week. You could be completely satisfied traveling around by train in Italy and it's super easy to get to France, Spain, England, et al...
by Anonymous | reply 277 | January 12, 2024 9:07 AM |
R275 I've been to Egypt several times, but all in the 1980s. Had a great time in Cairo, Luxor and Aswan (took day trip/flight once to Abu Simbel once). I guess it's changed a lot since then.
by Anonymous | reply 278 | January 12, 2024 9:12 AM |
R6 Since when are Chinese poor or Russians ugly?
by Anonymous | reply 279 | January 12, 2024 9:14 AM |
R279 are we talking about Russians before 35 years of age or after? The iron curtain wasn't the only metaphoric wall that ran through Eastern Europe.
by Anonymous | reply 280 | January 12, 2024 10:39 AM |
[quote]Any country where I am illegal and subject to draconian penalties for being and acting gay. I have turned down career opportunities for this.
R4 I'm with you on this, although it hasnt cost me any career opportunities, which is why almost anywhere in the Middle East and north Africa bar Israel is out for me, plus Jamaica, Uganda and the other usual suspects. Most of them are shitholes anyway
[quote]No interest in any muslim majority countries for reasons well known to everybody. Turkey was interesting, but there is predatory behavior towards tourist, especially non-muslim. Morocco was interesting but I don't want to go back. I'll say Israel was fascinating, high-functioning, the people aren't overly friendly but I think it is mainly a language issue, so much history, culture and great food. Really unlike anything else in the region, vastly different and advanced.
R22 I had a brief unavoidable stopover in Turkey some years back, and can confirm the predatory behaviour. That is one place I will not go back to ever. Shithole
[quote]New Zealand. Just doesn't seem worth the hassle. I think v8fairy is from NZ - I apologize.
R27 No need to apologise, I understand - if you have beautiful mountain landscapes and forest where you are it's a hell of a long way to come to see much the same thing
[quote]New Zealand - no historic architecture to speak of; and landscapes that don't excite me
R32 As above for the landscapes, and yeah we dont have much in the way of historical architecture, very little pre 1850, and much of what we did have that was beautiful has unfortunately been lost to greed and stupidity over the years, which is why I have such a thing for Victorian houses, they are rare here, and most of our architecture post 1940 or so is frankly fucking hideous
[quote]I've been fortunate enough to travel a lot. I'm sure this will just not compute for many of you but here goes: by a long, long way, the friendliest people I've met on my travels are..... in Iran. It's a fascinating and beautiful country, there are obvious restrictions on personal freedom if you choose to go there, but you have pretty much total freedom to travel around the country and there isn't a significant problem with violent crime.
R31 actually I can well believe that, Iran is much like China, lovely people under the oppressive yoke of a terrifying authoritarian and dystopian dictatorship, worse for the poor Iranians as its a theocracy as well. And the Iranian people loathe their leaders with good reason, I hope they have a successful revolution there soon. China is out for me because of the CCP, Iran because of the theocracy
by Anonymous | reply 281 | January 12, 2024 11:57 AM |
I've been to South Africa, and the Cape Town area is not too bad, although you still need to exercise a lot of caution and stay alert in much of the city, but the mountains are beautiful, I climbed five of them while I was there (one was more like a big hill though). Johannesburg has a few attractive bits but frankly I'd give it a miss if my partner didnt have friends and relatives there, most of it is a shithole. I'd like to see Namibia and Botswana, both of these are fairly safe and well run and not overpopulated. I have heard that Rwanda of all places is now very safe, functional and well run and I was told by a guy that'd been working there that it is now as safe as Japan, although that stretches credibility a bit I reckon. The rest of Africa.... pass. Especially the northern bit
India I am leery of, for all the reasons cited above, although there are parts that have much to offer. I'd consider going as part of a package tour that insulated me from the worst of it, one of the few places I'd even consider a package tour.
[quote]I would think Japan would be worth visiting.
R80 it very much is! I have been four times, have relatives there. Beautiful in parts, interesting, different, safe and relatively affordable
The couple of fuckwits that dont want to go to Israel are welcome to their opinion, its on my bucket list along with Taiwan. I'd also like to see Russia once Putin has died (soon and hopefully either from a bullet in the head or by something else nasty, tortorous, painful but final)
by Anonymous | reply 282 | January 12, 2024 11:58 AM |
Well as I said earlier I just went to Egypt a few months ago and had a wonderful time. If you consider that you are a tourist, and you're just visiting a destination for a short time out of curiosity or whatever, then you will enjoy it. Would I ever consider living in Egypt? Hell no! Why? first of all they have terrible pollution and the big cities are terribly crowded. Second, the laws and religious practices are hostile to someone like me if they're anti Gay. For me, Egypt was an historical destination. I knew why I wanted to go there and I was completely satisfied with what I got in terms of what I expected. In fact, it was better than I expected. As I said earlier, no one in our party got sick from the food or water, and no one was harassed or treated poorly. Three of us were Gay. The other five of us were not. When you travel to these countries as a tourist be sensible. No, you don't just wander off. Not because you may get assaulted or robbed, but because you will be mobbed by people selling things, and they will not leave you alone. We didn't eat street food. We drank bottled water, and when we went out we were escorted and our guides took care of the peddlers. And no one in their right mind would rent a car in Egypt. It is total insanity. And even with all the constraints, I have to say I felt like I had experienced what I came for. I regret our tour didn't provide an opportunity with a local family. Some small groups had that opportunity and loved it.
by Anonymous | reply 283 | January 12, 2024 1:46 PM |
No one's mentioned Darfur. So when can I expect you?
by Anonymous | reply 284 | January 12, 2024 8:54 PM |
I wouldn't travel anywhere where you couldn't safely drink the tap water.
by Anonymous | reply 285 | January 12, 2024 11:34 PM |
R285 plans to avoid MIchigan (and Mississippi, and and and....).
by Anonymous | reply 286 | January 12, 2024 11:54 PM |
Correct.
by Anonymous | reply 287 | January 12, 2024 11:56 PM |
I'll go wherever I'm needed ā wherever the people need humanitarian relief and a few selections from the Great American Songbook.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | January 13, 2024 4:17 AM |
I have no urge or reason to leave the USA at this point. I feel comfortable here right now.
by Anonymous | reply 289 | January 13, 2024 5:27 AM |
I watch a lot of elephant videos from Africa on YouTube. A lot of positive family herd and little ones. Then I try to find something similar in India and itās all elephants upset and rebelling, punks trying to incite them, all the little chirping men running around like mad ants. That alone makes me dislike India. Added to Asian, Arabic, and much of Latin America.
by Anonymous | reply 290 | January 13, 2024 7:32 AM |
As I get older I have to confess I don't enjoy traveling much. Flying has become a terrible experience and very expensive. Service is lacking in most decent hotels, and the food is mediocre most of the time.
I'm at a point where I prefer shorter trips by car and finding a nice airbnb. Ive been to Europe several times, Been on a cruise, been to the Middle East, and Mexico and the Caribbean. I'm just over it.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | January 13, 2024 2:43 PM |
r291 i share your sentiments, actually. But still waiting for the motivation to travel again.
by Anonymous | reply 292 | January 13, 2024 2:46 PM |
This is a weird one, but I will probably never visit Ireland. Every time I think about going and check out the attractions I'm meh. London has better, and more stuff than Dublin, I live in northern California so I already have scenery galore, the castles and Newgrange seem grotesquely crowded, and I don't drink anymore.
Won't visit India, Egypt, or the Nordic countries which are too expensive for what you get. Ok, maybe Finnish Lapland because I love reindeer and my Ma was Finnish-American.
by Anonymous | reply 293 | January 13, 2024 4:22 PM |
Similar to R291. I traveled extensively in my 20s, 30s and 40s. Now I find I prefer short trips by car. Travel is a hassle.
by Anonymous | reply 294 | January 13, 2024 4:50 PM |
R289 Really? You donāt have that nagging feeling deep in your subconsciousness that this trip to the grocery store/movie theatre/office could be your last? That your life could be wiped out by some little mouth breather and his AR-15?
by Anonymous | reply 295 | January 13, 2024 11:52 PM |
R295, I know exactly what you're talking about. In fact I've stopped driving the freeways and try not to be out past 10 most nights. I'm older so I don't do clubs, but I was never a club kid. If I go to a play or a concert that's a rare thing not something I do more than a few times a year. And I really avoid being out late on weekends especially Thursday, Friday and Saturday. As for supermarkets, I like to shop early in the day, so by the time the rest of the world is moving around I'm done by noon. It's no hardship. I don't feel like I have restricted myself to a f ault. I just feel more relaxed and comfortable living this way. But as careful as I am, Yes, I do worry that some stray has my name on it.
by Anonymous | reply 296 | January 14, 2024 1:55 AM |
America, because I already live here š
by Anonymous | reply 297 | January 14, 2024 2:58 AM |
America, because I lack any curiosity about any place that isn't.
by Anonymous | reply 298 | January 14, 2024 4:21 AM |
R298 didnāt understand the assignment
by Anonymous | reply 299 | January 14, 2024 6:22 AM |
Maybe people on this thread should stick to Florida. Although it might be too āexoticā for some of you.
by Anonymous | reply 300 | January 14, 2024 8:02 AM |
Florida after Rhonda maybe š¤
by Anonymous | reply 301 | January 14, 2024 2:27 PM |
Mississippi. It's another country, just ask them.
by Anonymous | reply 302 | January 14, 2024 2:28 PM |
R281 - sounds like you're from New Zealand. I was there last year and I think it's absolutely worth a trip. While I appreciate the nature and beauty of the South Island, that doesn't really do it for me.
I stayed primarily on the North Island and had a great visit to Auckland, Rotorua, Napier, some wineries, and Wellington. It was rainy, which was annoying, but very memorable.
It was particularly unique how much the Maori culture and language was promoted AND RESPECTED in NZ. You just don't find that in any other colonized country.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | January 14, 2024 4:22 PM |
R303 yes, from NZ. And yes, it has been incredibly wet here the last year or two, since the eruption in Tonga threw several billion litres of water into the atmosphere, and what goes up gotta come down sooner or later. I'm a bit surprised you preferred the North Island to the South, personally I find the North Island a bit meh, but I guess it depends on what you are used to as well.
by Anonymous | reply 304 | January 14, 2024 5:50 PM |
R304, R303 here - I'm more of a city person, so North Island was much more my speed. Napier is a gem - although I hear it was damaged significantly by the hurricane last year. Despite the sulfur smell, Rotorua was also pretty amazing.
I know South Island is more picturesque, but outside of Christchurch, there's not a hell of a lot going on. I need good restaurants, museums, etc.
Btw, the Museum of New Zealand (Te Papa Tongarewa) was one of the best museums I've been to. I could do without the wind though - that was rough.
by Anonymous | reply 305 | January 15, 2024 1:00 AM |
R296 Iām the same as you, I donāt like to be out late in the evenings, and I go supermarket shopping etc early to ovoid the crowds. I do still travel but Iām done with long haul, Iām in the UK and I stick to Europe these days.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | January 15, 2024 4:01 PM |
R305āDid you not go to Queenstown?
by Anonymous | reply 307 | January 15, 2024 4:08 PM |
You couldn't pay me to visit Albania.
by Anonymous | reply 308 | January 15, 2024 7:47 PM |
R308 Why?
I'd love to go there and hope I eventually do. I speak Italian so I'd get around ok.
by Anonymous | reply 309 | January 15, 2024 9:05 PM |
R308 I actually am more interested in Albania than a lot of countries. Muslim European country, unique culture and history, Greek/Italian influences. Coastal Adriatic beaches. Castles, mountains, forests. And a gene pool that produces some handsome men.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | January 15, 2024 9:21 PM |
"Texas," because they think that they are and can be one.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | January 15, 2024 9:32 PM |
[quote]Muslim European country
For the most part, the people of Albania are Muslim in name, but they're not practicing Muslims. Their relation to Islam is like Italians who identify as Catholic but don't follow church dogma. The Albanians integrate into Europe with no problem, unlike those from other Muslim countries.
All the Albanians I know are sharp, sociable people.
by Anonymous | reply 312 | January 15, 2024 9:40 PM |
Iām going to Albania in February. Iām looking forward to it (and yesā¦the men are very attractive!). From all the videos Iāve watched, it seems like a very secular country. At least in the major cities.
by Anonymous | reply 313 | January 15, 2024 9:43 PM |
Where I live there are many Albanian men, and very few are attractive, and thatās not me being fussy. Very poor teeth is common, they are very heavy drinkers and look fairly battered. Admittedly these are mostly poor Albanians who have travelled to find work.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | January 16, 2024 10:37 AM |
Me. For reasons that are well known to me.
by Anonymous | reply 315 | January 16, 2024 10:52 AM |
Charlene reappears at R315 after her previous appearances at r41 and r218.
by Anonymous | reply 316 | January 16, 2024 3:30 PM |
Iām not Charlene. But I wouldnāt go there either.
by Anonymous | reply 317 | January 16, 2024 3:38 PM |
Albania has a nutty history, with its former Maoist government. It also has a terrible public health system with epidemics of diseases like TB which have been eliminated in most of Europe.
by Anonymous | reply 318 | January 16, 2024 4:58 PM |
India, China, North Korea, Russia - obvious reasons.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | January 16, 2024 5:30 PM |
You couldn't pay me to step foot in Burkina Faso.
by Anonymous | reply 320 | January 16, 2024 5:55 PM |
Definitely Russia and any of its neighboring -Stan countries. Garbage people.
by Anonymous | reply 321 | January 16, 2024 6:14 PM |
You're missing out, R320. Tourism thrived before that pesky name change.
by Anonymous | reply 322 | January 16, 2024 6:40 PM |
I've been to Moscow. It's very gay. (Well...anyway, on the first of May!)
by Anonymous | reply 323 | January 16, 2024 8:23 PM |
R314 True.
So many of them are in Italy where I lived for many years. Very average at best, handsome ones are rare.
by Anonymous | reply 324 | January 16, 2024 8:37 PM |
I have had sufficient. I don't have a dewsire or curiosity to go anywhere other than where I have already been. The list of places I am not interested in is long.
by Anonymous | reply 325 | January 16, 2024 10:09 PM |
Itās dew, sire.
by Anonymous | reply 326 | January 16, 2024 10:19 PM |
You couldn't pay me to step foot in Yemen.
by Anonymous | reply 327 | January 17, 2024 12:13 AM |
āStep footā, R327?
by Anonymous | reply 328 | January 17, 2024 1:40 AM |
Somalia
Ethiopia
by Anonymous | reply 329 | January 17, 2024 1:54 AM |
There's tons of countries most people won't ever visit. I mean, I don't plan on joining the Peace Corp.
by Anonymous | reply 330 | January 17, 2024 2:55 AM |
R115
[quote]Israel. Because a genocidal fascist state ain't ever getting a penny from me.
I don't disagree with you, but you should also add the United States, their weapons supplier.
by Anonymous | reply 331 | January 17, 2024 3:46 AM |
R328, what problem do you have with that?
I wouldn't step foot in your house if you asked me to.
by Anonymous | reply 332 | January 17, 2024 5:44 AM |
Rolling my eyes at R331 and R115, two idiot terrorist loving morons. The genocidal ones are HAMAS you fucktards.
by Anonymous | reply 333 | January 17, 2024 5:45 AM |
Itās āset footā you idiot, R332.
by Anonymous | reply 334 | January 17, 2024 6:22 AM |
itās both
by Anonymous | reply 335 | January 17, 2024 6:28 AM |
Subtextual racism. Is that a term Harry's ghost writer came up with in Spare? It was Kate and Camilla wasn't it?
by Anonymous | reply 336 | January 17, 2024 6:37 AM |
I've been to Jamaica a number of times though not recently. You were always told to stay on the resort. Very beautiful and I've flown over it a couple of times in a small plane. Magical. Noel Coward had his house there didn't he? Well things change. It was at one time quite wonderful.
In less tense times I wanted to go to Moscow and St. Petersburg. I should have gone then. That now will never happen.
by Anonymous | reply 337 | January 17, 2024 6:45 AM |
I had the chance to visit Moscow when my then partner was going to a conference. I couldnāt get leave from work at short notice. He came back raging about the corruption and hustling for money at every level. This was in the 90s.
by Anonymous | reply 338 | January 17, 2024 7:03 AM |
Actually itās not, R335. But whatever works for you. Even if that makes you look like an ill-educated fool.
by Anonymous | reply 339 | January 17, 2024 7:10 AM |
R277 you are doing exactly what I dreamed of doing decades ago. I learned Italian well enough to do business in the language and got a job with an important Italian fashion house and I wanted to move to Italy and live many years there and do just what you are doing. But things got in my way such as deep disappointments, depression, lack of money, and illness. You are living my dream. I'm sure you realize you are molto fortunato.
by Anonymous | reply 340 | January 17, 2024 7:16 AM |
R339 with the tiniest bit of research it is shown that both have been in play for over 500 yrs. (before Shakespeare)
by Anonymous | reply 341 | January 17, 2024 10:19 AM |
So Columbus may have stepped foot in the New World and Neil Armstrong stepped foot on the moon š
by Anonymous | reply 342 | January 17, 2024 10:33 AM |
Neil Armstrong fucked up what he was supposed to say and it makes no sense. And everyone repeats the same mistake.
by Anonymous | reply 343 | January 18, 2024 12:09 AM |
[quote]you are doing exactly what I dreamed of doing decades ago. I learned Italian well enough to do business in the language and got a job with an important Italian fashion house and I wanted to move to Italy and live many years there and do just what you are doing. But things got in my way such as deep disappointments, depression, lack of money, and illness. You are living my dream. I'm sure you realize you are molto fortunato.
I lived there for many years and am back in the US for family issues, oh how I appreciate the Italian life-style more than ever.
by Anonymous | reply 344 | January 18, 2024 12:17 AM |
You couldn't pay me to set foot in Syria.
by Anonymous | reply 345 | January 18, 2024 5:53 AM |
America if I didn't live here...dirty, homophobic, racist and dangerous.
by Anonymous | reply 346 | January 21, 2024 7:23 PM |
R333 you are so right...these people dont give a rats ass about Gaza, Arabs or āPalestiniansā They simply hate Jews no matter what they tell us.
I was watching Velchi this morning and they were talking about how the Arab immigrants in Michigan donāt want to support Biden because of his support of Israel.
Who the fuck are they to try and sway our elections...I dont move to your state or country and expect the natives to change for me...let them go to Gaza if they believe itās Palestine and force their ways on them
How Gays can stand up for these people who would toss you off a roof for being gay..you have to really really hate Jews to do that
by Anonymous | reply 347 | January 21, 2024 7:30 PM |
Israel. Don't need to be around murderders.
by Anonymous | reply 348 | January 21, 2024 7:47 PM |
r338 did he get any hot Russian ass? Heard from another DL thread that service men used to throw themselves at Westerners with money. Hot trade straight from basic training. The 90s were like a sex buffet in Eastern Europe.
by Anonymous | reply 349 | January 21, 2024 7:57 PM |
[quote] Who the fuck are they to try and sway our elections..
That's our job!
by Anonymous | reply 350 | January 21, 2024 8:03 PM |
You could never pay me to go to Lesotho.
by Anonymous | reply 351 | January 27, 2024 4:44 PM |
[quote] Lesotho
Fewer!
by Anonymous | reply 352 | January 27, 2024 4:53 PM |
All the gay hating homophobic countries and countries that regularly violate human rights, in other words:
Russia
China
India
Most of Africa
Most of the Middle East
Muslim countries
by Anonymous | reply 353 | January 27, 2024 8:04 PM |
Oh, and Dubai. Gays going to Dubai disgust me. I don't feel bad when the idiots end up in prison. Fuck around and find out.
by Anonymous | reply 354 | January 27, 2024 8:06 PM |
I'm going to Dubai!
by Anonymous | reply 355 | January 27, 2024 8:06 PM |
Gays don't actually go to prison in Dubai though. Its a place for sellouts on every level.
You have to prance around naked with a rainbow flag on your ass to get detained there. And even then if you are a foreigner you'll likely just get deported stat.
Now, its neighbors...
by Anonymous | reply 356 | January 27, 2024 8:23 PM |
I cannot publicly state, at this time, the countries I will never visit. This would give them the advantage. I want them to be on their guard, worried that at any moment I will show up! YES. As to why I will never visit them, again, I cannot divulge the reasons publicly in my lifetime. They know what they have done. All will be known 25 years after my death. Until then, it is under seal.
by Anonymous | reply 357 | January 27, 2024 8:42 PM |
Can gays hookup in Dubai? Where do they meet?
by Anonymous | reply 358 | January 28, 2024 2:01 AM |
Prison
by Anonymous | reply 359 | January 28, 2024 4:49 AM |
You couldn't pay me to step foot in Tamriel
by Anonymous | reply 360 | February 10, 2024 6:21 AM |
The United States, because I already live here.
by Anonymous | reply 361 | February 10, 2024 6:24 AM |
Detroit, USA. You know why.
by Anonymous | reply 362 | February 10, 2024 6:27 AM |
That's not a country, R362.
by Anonymous | reply 363 | February 10, 2024 6:28 AM |
Or even set foot, R360.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | February 10, 2024 7:15 AM |
I forgot The Philippines. Hot and steamy in a bad way, hurricanes galore, and the men are short and unattractive.
by Anonymous | reply 365 | February 11, 2024 11:00 PM |
Latveria. Their king is nuts.
by Anonymous | reply 366 | February 11, 2024 11:06 PM |
India. For reasons that are well known to them.
by Anonymous | reply 367 | February 11, 2024 11:18 PM |
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