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“The Iron Claw”- I watched it tonight. Zac Efron is so wonderful in this movie

Zac Efron gives such a wonderful and endearing performance in this film. This is easily the best performance he has given. I was moved during the final scene. He was terrific.

The film was actually very good! It was dark and tragic and sad but I liked how the film handled the deaths. They didn’t exploit the deaths of the brothers and didn’t try manipulating you to feel a certain way with sad music etc. it was very well done. There is only one scene I didn’t care for but other than that, bravo. It was a very good movie with very good performances all around. However, I will say that I found Jeremy Allen White to be the weak link overall.

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by Anonymousreply 75May 13, 2024 4:50 AM

My god, his latest facial work has him looking like a mix of the grinch and the hulk.

Hard pass.

by Anonymousreply 1December 22, 2023 3:19 AM

[quote] looking like a mix of the grinch and the hulk

Haha! Ginch-like creature.

by Anonymousreply 2December 22, 2023 3:21 AM

R1 I didn’t watch the movie for his looks. I’m an adult.

by Anonymousreply 3December 22, 2023 3:34 AM

R3, Well, at your age, Cindy Adams, filling your adult diaper with urine would be both distracting and would cancel any arousal.

by Anonymousreply 4December 22, 2023 3:39 AM

[quote] but I liked how the film handled the deaths

Fuck you, OP.

by Anonymousreply 5December 22, 2023 3:49 AM

R5 why? This is based on a true story. Their deaths happened decades ago.

by Anonymousreply 6December 22, 2023 3:50 AM

OP, I was just scrolling TikTok and this guy gave a very positive review also. He also said this is the best Zac has ever been and the film is well done.

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by Anonymousreply 7December 22, 2023 3:52 AM

I'm looking forward to this and The Color Purple roboot.

by Anonymousreply 8December 22, 2023 3:58 AM

The Color Purple isn’t a reboot or remake. It’s a new adaptation that blends the musical with the original film but still changes a lot.

by Anonymousreply 9December 22, 2023 4:04 AM

R7. Thanks for the info, shameless publicist!

by Anonymousreply 10December 22, 2023 4:07 AM

“ Zac Efron gives such a wonderful and endearing performance in this film. This is easily the best performance he has given. I was moved during the final scene. He was terrific.”

Well, OP, the critics agree with you. It’s his best reviewed film and performance, sitting at 88% on RT.

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by Anonymousreply 11December 22, 2023 4:14 AM

I do not see the appeal of Jeremy Allen White AT ALL. I do not think he has an attractive face.

by Anonymousreply 12December 22, 2023 4:17 AM

I was always a fan of Kerry Von Erich. I am interested in seeing the movie, but none of the actors appear to be as big and muscular as Kerry and his brothers.

by Anonymousreply 13December 22, 2023 4:18 AM

R13 did you see what Efron looks like in this? He was literally on steroids for the role, which fucked up his face even more.

The rest look close enough. Seeing some old footage of the brothers only one was truly very big. The others looked muscled but leaner.

by Anonymousreply 14December 22, 2023 4:26 AM

R11. honey, give it a break and rub one out in the lady’s room.

I hear a well lubed tampon can work wonders.

Take a break from the keyboard and work it!

by Anonymousreply 15December 22, 2023 4:28 AM

Bitchiness does not indeed get any more random than it does at r15,

by Anonymousreply 16December 22, 2023 4:30 AM

Kerry was a lot bigger than Jeremy Allen White while Zac Efron was a lot bigger than the actual Kevin. It’s like they swapped their physical appearances for the film.

The film is very very respectful in how it handles the deaths of the brothers. It was very good.

by Anonymousreply 17December 22, 2023 4:30 AM

You can see the real brothers here. They weren’t all huge. Granted, they were clothed here but you can still tell.

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by Anonymousreply 18December 22, 2023 4:33 AM

Their father is painted as a monster who only cared about money. I wonder if that’s true.

by Anonymousreply 19December 22, 2023 12:15 PM

I have not watched The Bear but I genuinely do not get the Jeremy Allen White hype. He is genuinely one of the most basic looking men yet I see people speak of him like he’s sex on legs. He doesn’t even seem sexual. Like some men ooze sexuality naturally and have that sexual aura that attracts some people. He doesn’t. He’s very bland.

by Anonymousreply 20December 22, 2023 1:21 PM

[quote]Kerry was a lot bigger than Jeremy Allen White while Zac Efron was a lot bigger than the actual Kevin. It’s like they swapped their physical appearances for the film.

I thought the same thing. Efron's hair is too shaggy to be Kevin's as well.

by Anonymousreply 21December 22, 2023 1:47 PM

I went to see it today and found it heartbreaking. It was a well made film with great performances all around, however the omission of Chris, the youngest brother, bothered me. The Director had his reasoning for omitting the youngest brother but I didn’t like that and hate when movies are made about real people and they completely erase a person from existence.

by Anonymousreply 22December 23, 2023 2:07 AM

I hope Zach can get Oscar nom

by Anonymousreply 23December 23, 2023 2:26 AM

Is Zac this year's Brendan Fraser?

by Anonymousreply 24December 23, 2023 2:30 AM

not even close to Kerry who was huge!

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by Anonymousreply 25December 23, 2023 2:31 AM

kerry was super muscular (and my adolescent favorite...you know why!).... the chef actor isn't even close

by Anonymousreply 26December 23, 2023 2:33 AM

DL loves to say an actor doesn’t need to look exactly like the real person they’re playing so don’t bitch now. Efron looked more like Kerry than Jeremy.

I love that all the Von Erich men were over 6 feet tall. Kerry was 6’3 while Jeremy is 5’7.

by Anonymousreply 27December 23, 2023 2:38 AM

R23 r24 no. It’s too competitive a year for him to get in. There are already so many performances in contention, there’s no way he’s getting in at this point.

by Anonymousreply 28December 23, 2023 2:39 AM

Chris was the only short brother, at 5’5. He was also completely omitted from the movie.

by Anonymousreply 29December 23, 2023 2:42 AM

I never cared for Zac one way or the other . He is in the movie neighbors, a comedy.

Normally I detest comedies and heart warming films .

I was shocked because I really liked the movie. He was great in it and his face didn’t look weird at all . The writing was good — very fast paced , like Animal House.

Hard to explain why I like it so. The rest of the cast was good as well. Since it moved along rapidly , there was no time to dwell on a particular gag or joke and get bored

by Anonymousreply 30December 23, 2023 2:48 AM

The Director explained why he omitted Chris Von Erich from the movie and he had a hard time cutting him out. Chris was originally in the script for years but he ultimately had to make the decision to cut him after much thought and ended up just making Mike a combination of both Chris and Mike.

“ Tragedy is at the forefront of the Von Erich family’s history, so much so that when creating a movie about the wrestling dynasty some parts — and people — had to be omitted.

“The Iron Claw” tells the story of professional wrestler Fritz Von Erich (Holt McCallany) and his four sons Kevin (Zac Efron), Kerry (Jeremy Allen White), David (Harris Dickinson) and Mike (Stanley Simons) as they attempt to become heavyweight champions and household names in the wrestling world. Along the way, the family faces hardships and multiple deaths that are blamed on the “Von Erich curse.”

A younger brother, Chris Von Erich, was left entirely out of the film. Director and writer Sean Durkin explains to TODAY.com why that choice was made, and the reaction the real-life Kevin Von Erich, the last surviving family member, had when finding out that one of his brothers was not in the film.

“The Iron Claw,” Durkin says, had been in development since 2015. Over the years, there were several versions of the story and cuts were made in order to preserve the quality and length of the film.

“One of the hardest decisions possible was cutting Chris,” the director explains. “And the reason why (is), Chris was in the script for a lot of years and I loved him and loved his character. But ultimately as a writer and filmmaker, I had to separate the real humans from the characters on the page at some point.”

Durkin says there was a “repetition in the brothers’ deaths” that made the film seem unrealistic. “I just didn’t believe (the movie) could sort of withstand one more tragedy.”

There were originally six Von Erich brothers. Fritz Von Erich and wife Doris’ oldest son, Jack Barton Jr., died at the age of 7 after he was accidentally electrocuted by a live wire.

Between 1984 and 1993, four brothers died. David Von Erich died suddenly from enteritis in 1984, while Kerry, Mike and Chris Von Erich died by suicide.

All the deaths are either mentioned or depicted in “The Iron Claw,” except Chris Von Erich's.

Durkin says that in removing Chris Von Erich's story, Mike Von Erich became a combination of the two brothers.

According to a 1997 story by the Dallas Observer, Chris Von Erich had a smaller frame than his brothers and was weaker from his asthma and medication that stunted his growth and made his bones fragile.

"He had pressure from himself and maybe from the fans, too. Sometimes fans can be cruel. They don’t know what they’re doing, but they can say things like, ‘Hey, are you gonna be a wrestler when you grow up?’ and things like that. They would just crush Chris, because he never got tall and healthy," Kevin Von Erich told the publication.

Chris Von Erich died by suicide in 1991 at the age of 21.“

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by Anonymousreply 31December 23, 2023 3:00 AM

It also has an A- Cinemascore, the highest any A24 film has gotten on there.

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by Anonymousreply 32December 23, 2023 1:46 PM

When I think of Efren, I think about the shit-covered condom filled with golf balls found in his trash.

Good times!

by Anonymousreply 33December 23, 2023 6:53 PM

All these responses and no mention of Harris Dickinson? I hear he's very good in this, and I'd go see this for him alone.

I find Jeremy Allen White quite sexy on THE BEAR.

by Anonymousreply 34December 23, 2023 7:24 PM

He has the least screen time r34 as David is the first brother who died. He was good in his limited time.

by Anonymousreply 35December 23, 2023 8:22 PM

When I saw Maura Tierney in her first scene, pregnant, I thought perhaps she was playing the Virgin Mary, as that could be the only explanation.

Zac's body was full of 'roid pimples.

by Anonymousreply 36December 25, 2023 12:05 AM

I'm an hour and 10 minutes into it and I just don't care. Who is this movie for?

by Anonymousreply 37December 25, 2023 1:32 AM

Man, a tragic story made more by cutting out the brother.

by Anonymousreply 38December 25, 2023 2:07 AM

R37, apparently no one because it's bombing

by Anonymousreply 39December 25, 2023 3:29 AM

I thought the performances were mostly wonderful. I wish Harris Dickinson's character would have had more screen time, as he was the stand out. I thought the script was terrible. This guy has written and directed three films in the past 12 years and they have all suffered from incredibly weak scripts, and his direction can't make up for them. I hope Maura Tierney made more than bus fare, because her role could have been played by a tackling dummy.

by Anonymousreply 40December 25, 2023 3:56 AM

R20 never watched "Shameless"

by Anonymousreply 41December 25, 2023 4:03 AM

R40 you’re always so negative. Get a job already.

by Anonymousreply 42December 25, 2023 4:20 AM

Why would Harris Dickinson be around longer when David died first out of the brothers? I swear, the retard just doesn’t belong here.

by Anonymousreply 43December 25, 2023 4:21 AM

I have the asshole at R42 and R43 on ignore. I suggest if you want to enjoy the conversation here, you do the same.

by Anonymousreply 44December 25, 2023 4:31 AM

R44 you say the same stupid shit all the time. Over. And. Over. And. Over. Because you’re a jobless retard.

by Anonymousreply 45December 25, 2023 4:35 AM

This guy said it best regarding A24 dropping the ball with Iron Claw and awards season. It’s a great film with strong performances but A24 fucked up so it has almost no chance to get nominations now.

I see a lot of critics and voters on social media saying similar, it’s a Best Picture and Best Actor worthy film that should have been given a push and campaign but wasn’t.

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by Anonymousreply 46December 26, 2023 10:26 AM

So was any cock or whole presented?

by Anonymousreply 47December 28, 2023 12:29 AM

Whole what, R47? Wheat?

by Anonymousreply 48December 28, 2023 12:48 AM

Fucking spellcheck.

Err, was anus presented?

by Anonymousreply 49December 28, 2023 12:53 AM

Aging has-been closet cases butching up to do Rocky 25. Ya ain't seen nuthin yet gurlfriend.

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by Anonymousreply 50December 28, 2023 12:56 AM

R49 do you think this is a porn?

by Anonymousreply 51December 28, 2023 12:58 AM

“A” porn

“An” Onlyfans

by Anonymousreply 52December 28, 2023 1:08 AM

Notice how everyone is trying SO HARD to get the steps right while Efron is moving so effortlessly and smooth. He still has some HSM in him.

Also, this is actually Harris Dickinson’s final scene in the movie.

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by Anonymousreply 53December 29, 2023 1:08 AM

One of the few movies I’ve watched from this year that really lived up to the critical acclaim. It’s never boring and constantly engaging to watch. It quietly sneaks up on you until the real life tragedy is too much to bear. As a High School Musical enjoyer, it’s so nice to see Zac get a role like this and knock it out of the park with his performance. This is a special movie that’ll stick with me for some time.

by Anonymousreply 54January 1, 2024 3:22 AM

I thought it was a very good film and Efron was quite terrific. He is definitely Oscar-worthy, thought I don't know if he'll get nominated.

by Anonymousreply 55January 1, 2024 10:03 PM

[ quote] This is easily the best performance he has given.

That's not setting a very high bar.

by Anonymousreply 56January 1, 2024 10:06 PM

Is it streaming yet?

by Anonymousreply 57January 21, 2024 11:17 PM

R57 no

by Anonymousreply 58January 21, 2024 11:21 PM

I just watched a video of the brothers, why was Zac so roided out for the part the real life Kevin didn't look like that

by Anonymousreply 59May 12, 2024 2:27 AM

It is on Max (HBO) now I just watched it

by Anonymousreply 60May 12, 2024 2:28 AM

He's beginning to look like ElderLez.

by Anonymousreply 61May 12, 2024 2:35 AM

[quote]Their father is painted as a monster who only cared about money. I wonder if that’s true.

Believe it or not, the film is actually kinder to Fritz than he deserved.

For example, it didn't show him rushing Kerry back into the ring after his foot injury (he had the doctors wrap his foot into a walking position and inject Kerry with a fuckload of painkillers to get him through the match) which ultimately fucked his foot up even worse and ended up with it being removed. It didn't show Fritz ordering people to fake David's autograph and selling photos of him after his death at a mark up. It didn't show him rushing Mike back into the ring, or show him ignoring how Mike didn't actually want to wrestle. And yes, selling marked up photos of Mike after his death too. Didn't show him pointing a gun (the gun Kerry used to kill himself) at Kevin and telling him that if he had any balls he would've killed himself too.

And that's without even getting into the rumoured stuff, like showing off the whip he used to beat the boys as they worked out, or hiring a prostitute to sleep with a 12 year old Chris to "make him a man".

And yet, despite all that, he's still not the worst father in wrestling. Grizzly Smith or Buck Zumhofe hold that particular title.

by Anonymousreply 62May 12, 2024 2:48 AM

They didn't show Fritz fucking his boys either.

by Anonymousreply 63May 12, 2024 2:52 AM

It was actually not uncommon for a father to get a girl to fuck their son to “make him a man” if the father felt he was a sissy or too soft.

by Anonymousreply 64May 12, 2024 2:53 AM

R63 that didn’t happen. Dont start your fucking weird incest bullshit. He was abusive in every way but sexual.

by Anonymousreply 65May 12, 2024 2:54 AM

How do you know R65? Don't start with you in every but sexual bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 66May 12, 2024 2:57 AM

R66 because he didn’t. Move on. Stop being obsessed with sex. Stop being obsessed with incest. It’s not normal. It’s not ok. It’s strange.

by Anonymousreply 67May 12, 2024 2:58 AM


by Anonymousreply 68May 12, 2024 2:59 AM

The mother was no help, she told the brothers to take care of each other.

by Anonymousreply 69May 12, 2024 6:20 PM

I used to find the actor who played Kerry attractive as Lip in Shameless because he was such a smart ass, but he doesn't do it for me in other acting parts.

by Anonymousreply 70May 12, 2024 6:21 PM

R69 because she was a southern woman who believed the man is the head of the house.

by Anonymousreply 71May 12, 2024 8:54 PM

Didn’t care for the movie. I think you have to be a wrestling fan to like it.

by Anonymousreply 72May 12, 2024 9:00 PM

[quote]I have not watched The Bear but I genuinely do not get the Jeremy Allen White hype. He is genuinely one of the most basic looking men yet I see people speak of him like he’s sex on legs. He doesn’t even seem sexual. Like some men ooze sexuality naturally and have that sexual aura that attracts some people. He doesn’t. He’s very bland.

99% of the reason any actor is viewed as "hot" comes down to people falling for the character they're playing. They imbue the actor with the traits and qualities of the character and fall in love.

by Anonymousreply 73May 12, 2024 9:13 PM

Tina Turner - Steel Claw

by Anonymousreply 74May 12, 2024 10:23 PM

Zac Efron - Private Dancer

by Anonymousreply 75May 13, 2024 4:50 AM
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