The various adventures of Mrs. George Russell as she befriends New York society in The Gilded Age.
The Gilded Age Series 2 Part I
|by Anonymous||reply 293||December 4, 2023 7:55 AM|
that's a great GIF
|by Anonymous||reply 1||November 20, 2023 1:51 PM|
Heavens to Betsy, OP. That gif is animal abuse.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||November 20, 2023 2:07 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 3||November 20, 2023 2:16 PM|
I support the use of this properly labeled thread to continue. I’m a stickler for good order.
Things moved awfully quickly in this episode. Probably a good thing, but still somewhat jarring.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||November 20, 2023 3:57 PM|
So glad we had new developments in the riveting alarm clock storyline!
|by Anonymous||reply 5||November 20, 2023 3:58 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 6||November 20, 2023 4:28 PM|
Idk if I could take seeing Agnes ruin Ada’s relationship with Forte. It would turn me off the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||November 20, 2023 4:51 PM|
They need to show more gay nudity and more scandals!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||November 20, 2023 5:31 PM|
How could it possibly be proper for a Ms. Brooks to marry the son of an Italian immigrant?
Meanwhile where is Maeve’s lady companion? I believe she’s been mentioned, but we haven’t seen her.
Speaking of lady companions, Turner must take her husband for an idiot given that the Russells have a son in his twenties. Did they meet in Europe? Maybe that’s how she finagled not being found out during the courtship.
I doubt it was just an accounting problem with the new Opera house. It seems to me there was a fair amount of financial subterfuge, perhaps cloaked by superficial romance, going on in this episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||November 20, 2023 5:32 PM|
Will John Adams return? I like him
|by Anonymous||reply 10||November 20, 2023 5:57 PM|
Ok - spoiler spoiler spoiler but do you think the Robert Sean Leonard thing is real OR are we going to go in the direction of “The Heiress?” Cynthia Nixon is best when “wronged.” he asked her the question awfully fast. plus we haven’t had scenes of his private life to know his side. If those two get together he is kind of another “Steve.”
|by Anonymous||reply 11||November 20, 2023 6:42 PM|
Yeah, the Winterton doesn't know about his wife is so fraudulent. Rich old widowers always have Helpful Hannahs around to peer suspiciously into the past of any young woman coming around and trying to slip her way into the family fortune. If not a daughter, some niece or sister who is not about to let some bitch horn in on that inheritance, especially when it's so close.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||November 20, 2023 6:48 PM|
What was that business with Celia K-B and the piano? Just as she was about to burst into a Broadway show tune she was interrupted by the gay chef asking her out.
And Turner - she sure accomplished an awful lot in that year she went missing.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||November 20, 2023 6:57 PM|
I noticed that, too Re Celia K Bolger. You wonder after seeing how large Kelli O’Hara’s part is and then Laura Benanti coming in strong - you wonder if Celia said “Ok - my turn!” …… Why do I get a sinking feeling that Sutton Foster is going to turn up as Molly Brown soon!
|by Anonymous||reply 14||November 20, 2023 7:22 PM|
OP, are you a limey? This is SEASON 2, not Series 2.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||November 20, 2023 8:06 PM|
Did George secretly pay for the Met to resume construction?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||November 20, 2023 8:09 PM|
OMG—OP is a Brit! What do we do?
|by Anonymous||reply 17||November 20, 2023 8:34 PM|
And not only did OP call it “Series 2” instead of “Season 2,” but he labeled this “Part 1” even though it’s our fourth thread of Season 2. Let’s face it, the characters (and Julian) would be pleased that we use a British term instead of an American one. (Look how they fawn over a non-Royal Duke), But nobody likes inaccuracy. Least of all our Jack.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||November 20, 2023 8:40 PM|
R11 I have some unease about this pairing too. I hope he is genuine and that the story focuses on Agnes grudgingly accepting him. But I fear for Ada. Maybe Marian can ask Cousin Dashiell to investigate? And if Agnes and Ada quarrel maybe Agnes will threaten to change her will so Ada gets nothing. After all let her new hubby take care of her. I hope the guy isn't after $$ but I fear he may be.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||November 20, 2023 8:46 PM|
I think the rector is dying and he knows it. Hence the tears when he proposed to to Ada.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||November 20, 2023 9:27 PM|
R18, did you cum over that? It looks like you came.
Against considerable odds, sexy.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||November 20, 2023 9:29 PM|
I hope the reverend is on the level, or Agnes will be painfully smug.
I'm getting second-hand stress worrying about what's going to happen to Peggy in the south.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||November 20, 2023 9:30 PM|
[quote][R18], did you cum over that? It looks like you came.
I beg your pardon?
|by Anonymous||reply 23||November 20, 2023 9:45 PM|
I am worried about that too r22. I haven't really worried about anybody else, even Aunt Ada. What will happen will happen. But with Peggy it's making me nervous. Something awful I assume.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||November 20, 2023 9:45 PM|
R20 I can't figure the Rector thing out either.... way too forward, too fast. But he's not playing it like some fortune hunter. His rubbing her finger and her gasping was actually kind of hot, I thot.
This series seemed pretty dry and shallow for the first season, but it's getting juicy. We do need more Homo Sex though... I am hoping the Duke is actually an invert.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||November 20, 2023 9:51 PM|
Of all the theatah actors working on this show I think Donna Murphy comes off best. She brings so much to every scene she's in as opposed to Nathan Lane who sucks the air out of his scenes.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||November 20, 2023 9:55 PM|
I still can't understand WTF they were on when they cast Nathan Lane as a Southern gent.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||November 20, 2023 9:58 PM|
r26, Donna Murphy ALWAYS brings it in everything she does. I love her! Nathan Lane makes me want to have Uber Eats bring me some KFC.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||November 20, 2023 9:59 PM|
Honestly, I’m kinda rooting for the gold digging former maid. Bertha Russell needs to get checked. Her and her hot husband winning all the time is not good writing and in time will become boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||November 20, 2023 10:03 PM|
R20 - you’re right! I bet he is dying! He talked a lot about his mother and putting his life on hold until she died. The way he urgently told Ada that she still had plenty of time for more in her life …..
|by Anonymous||reply 30||November 20, 2023 10:03 PM|
Where the man butts at?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||November 20, 2023 10:30 PM|
Oooo OP , the gif was Great.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||November 20, 2023 10:35 PM|
After all that talk and anticipation about the Duke of Buckingham, that was the best actor they could find? For one thing, he looks too old.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||November 20, 2023 10:44 PM|
And kinda fatty.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||November 20, 2023 10:50 PM|
Butter-faced Duke of Buck!
|by Anonymous||reply 35||November 20, 2023 10:52 PM|
Duke of Butterface
|by Anonymous||reply 36||November 20, 2023 10:59 PM|
The Duke was, physically, more of an Oscar Wilde.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||November 20, 2023 11:03 PM|
I fear Ada will be left at the altar.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||November 21, 2023 12:07 AM|
R38. Or realize she's a late in life lesbian.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||November 21, 2023 1:01 AM|
The young Russell looks very pretty without his shirt in a bed
|by Anonymous||reply 40||November 21, 2023 1:33 AM|
Is the house keeper a secret musician?
|by Anonymous||reply 41||November 21, 2023 1:54 AM|
I adore this episode
|by Anonymous||reply 42||November 21, 2023 2:46 AM|
I couldn't help but giggle watching those two ski noses in bed together.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||November 21, 2023 2:57 AM|
R29. I want to see Bertha AND George humbled.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||November 22, 2023 2:35 PM|
I want to see them BOTH fuck turner
|by Anonymous||reply 45||November 22, 2023 3:09 PM|
Alarm clock to tell the servants it's time to serve the soup.
Better get a patent on that, Alarm Clock Jack, everyone will want one.
Mrs. Astor will get the biggest one - and Bertha will make George buy her Big Ben.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||November 22, 2023 4:36 PM|
Well , as I have been watching some video documentary type stuff on You Tube, I gather that the Astors were definitely OLD money, and the Russells represent the Vanderbilts who the Astors considered "new money" and didn't want to let them be part of high society. But them after some time, they gave in. So The Russells aren't going to get a come uppance if they are prototypes for Vanderbilts. I hope if the Russell son has a kid they name him Anderson.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||November 22, 2023 4:48 PM|
R47 the series makes pastiche of history but that's the general story. Note that the Vanderbilts are mentioned as coexisting in this fictional story, with the Russels, and the two families, along with for example the Goelets, are not yet at the top of society, as mentioned in S1. Also the Debutante Ball for the Russel daughter is a pastiche of the important historical event - "Mrs. Vanderbilt's Ball" - you can google that and read about it. It's when Vanderbilt successfully played Mrs. Astor and she capitulated to both attend the ball and by virtue of that, start publicly dealing with the Vanderbilts.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||November 22, 2023 4:57 PM|
Now I have a question for the experts - the staff would attend the same church as the rich families??? Seems unlikely as many of the staff would be catholics.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||November 22, 2023 4:59 PM|
Thanks R48, I remember some of this from books I've read about the Astors and the Vanderbilts.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||November 22, 2023 5:00 PM|
I'm weary of the Jackenspiel non-plot. Just drop trou already.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||November 22, 2023 5:06 PM|
It does bug me a bit that they take such liberties with locations. The Elms in Newport was finished in 1901, 20 years after the time period of this series. As I said tough, pastiche and ersatz - comes with the territory. For example, Mrs. Astor is drawn way too grandly. When she enters any room the direction for the staging and acting is that she is perceived as Queen or Empress. It's way too broad.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||November 22, 2023 5:12 PM|
R49, they mentioned to the cook with the accent that she must enjoy the “mass” at that new saint Patrick’s, so yeah, some servants would have been open Catholics.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||November 22, 2023 7:59 PM|
While I liked last season, this season is really trashy fun.
"I don't want other dukes! I want [bold]this[/bold] duke! We found him and he's [bold]mine[/bold]!"
|by Anonymous||reply 54||November 22, 2023 8:46 PM|
Nixon gives a noticeable good performance. In my humble opinion.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||November 22, 2023 10:23 PM|
I like her on the show, too
|by Anonymous||reply 56||November 22, 2023 10:26 PM|
Seems like the social classes have their churches:Irish servants to the Catholic and the Upper classes Episcopal. And then it depends on which parish you belong to.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||November 22, 2023 11:07 PM|
But the protestant servants were shown attending easter service in that small church with the society families. Seemed odd to me. But I don't know how it worked back then.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||November 22, 2023 11:10 PM|
It shouldn't surprise me, but Robert Sean Leonard's age and looks...
|by Anonymous||reply 59||November 22, 2023 11:55 PM|
He’s forever the DLs pretty baby
|by Anonymous||reply 60||November 23, 2023 1:02 PM|
Nixon gives such a good performance it transcends my dislike of Nixon for how she helped fuck up the Kentucky Derby reboot.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||November 23, 2023 3:34 PM|
Problem is Nixon's performance is so sincerely good, it doesn't quite fit in with all the dreck surrounding it.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||November 23, 2023 3:40 PM|
It's not complicated drama, that's for sure... it's Julian Fellowes... but I really enjoy it as bubble gum goes. It's entertaining, a nice diversion.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||November 23, 2023 3:41 PM|
Nixon is giving a performance close to the one she gave on stage as Birdie in The Little Foxes. She won a well deserved Tony for that one.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||November 23, 2023 5:42 PM|
R64 I compare it more to her portrayal of Emily Dickenson in A Quiet Passion. A movie that captured the poet and her time really, really well. An underappreciated movie and a stellar performance by Nixon.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||November 23, 2023 5:46 PM|
R65. Very true. I love that movie, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||November 23, 2023 5:49 PM|
Nixon is a classic example of a talented performer who should shut up except when on stage or filming a scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||November 23, 2023 8:15 PM|
^I don’t know what you’re talking about.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||November 24, 2023 3:15 PM|
Hey, Susan, show us your battleship.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||November 24, 2023 5:59 PM|
This show would be better if each episode was longer to flesh out the characters. There’s only about 5 minutes devoted to the kitchen staff.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||November 24, 2023 6:56 PM|
That’s because they are so low-class
|by Anonymous||reply 71||November 24, 2023 8:39 PM|
I hate when people tease, play tricks on and fuck with their pets
|by Anonymous||reply 72||November 24, 2023 8:42 PM|
Did something happen to Pumpkin R72?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||November 24, 2023 8:49 PM|
"He's our Duke and he's mine!"
|by Anonymous||reply 74||November 24, 2023 10:18 PM|
I know actors need money and exposure but imagine winning a Tony and/or being a respected stage actor and ending up on a TV show where maybe you get 3 or 4 minutes of screen time every week. I guess work is work.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||November 25, 2023 3:18 PM|
i work in showbiz and yes, work is work
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 25, 2023 3:53 PM|
One thing that truly amazes me is how the actors roll out and blather on about what a genius writer Julian Fellowes is. Julian Fellowes, by no thinking measure, is anybody's example of a great writer, but you'd think they'll be teaching him in schools in a hundred years time, the way everybody carries on.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||November 25, 2023 4:42 PM|
It’s soap opera with a big budget
|by Anonymous||reply 78||November 25, 2023 5:06 PM|
It is now. It's Downton without the twee.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||November 25, 2023 6:28 PM|
what a great thread
|by Anonymous||reply 80||November 25, 2023 6:35 PM|
I CUN'T wait for the next episode
|by Anonymous||reply 81||November 25, 2023 7:44 PM|
Are we using this thread?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||November 27, 2023 2:26 AM|
We are now R82.
I can’t believe Agnes was so cruel when she told Ada that she wouldn’t be coming to the wedding and that Oscar wouldn’t be allowed either.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||November 27, 2023 2:42 AM|
R83: The short courtship is more remarkable. Showing Ages' loneliness is really the first time her character has had any depth and, of course, it leads her to cruelty--she's an unhappy, dried up old widow. If the Church moved the priest to NYC from Boston what is to stop them from moving them again?
The Roebling story is more or less true (his wife taking over), although Roebling already had built multiple suspension bridges. The one in Cincinnati, in particular, has been described as informing the Brooklyn Bridge. The Roeblings didn't need to go abroad to learn anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||November 27, 2023 2:53 AM|
Well they finally gave Cynthia Nixon something to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||November 27, 2023 2:54 AM|
Wrong vestments on the priest again - 19th century wedding in Episcopal church would have called for cassock, surplice, & stole - NOT that stupid anachronistic chasuble & stole get-up.
I’m sure we all noticed that right away.
Please consider this post my angry letter to the producers.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||November 27, 2023 3:14 AM|
I fucking love this ridiculous show.
I wonder if the season cliffhanger will be whether or not the alarm clock will work?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||November 27, 2023 3:16 AM|
I’m disappointed in the Tuskegee storyline. Yes, it’s historically important but it’s boring as hell.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||November 27, 2023 3:16 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 89||November 27, 2023 3:16 AM|
Sorry, the LOL was for the cliffhanger.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||November 27, 2023 3:17 AM|
The music being played for the bride's entrance is a tune I associate with a recessional. Is that just a liberty taken or would it have been appropriate for the period?
|by Anonymous||reply 91||November 27, 2023 3:17 AM|
Why wasn't Ada wearing white? I'm guessing she's still intact.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||November 27, 2023 3:19 AM|
She’s a menopausal spinster, not some spring chicken hussy.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||November 27, 2023 3:21 AM|
Also Ada and her man were in a hurry no time to have her seamstress conjure up a fabulous wedding dress.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||November 27, 2023 3:24 AM|
Prediction: Ada will be a widow by the season finale.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||November 27, 2023 3:27 AM|
Is Nathan Lane’s face purple on anyone else’s television screen?
|by Anonymous||reply 96||November 27, 2023 3:36 AM|
[quote]Why wasn't Ada wearing white? I'm guessing she's still intact.
Like Grant's tomb. And about as fragrant.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||November 27, 2023 3:38 AM|
Where's the mansex this season?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||November 27, 2023 3:42 AM|
It's purple everywhere.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||November 27, 2023 3:43 AM|
Watson’s foiling of the saboteurs was a bit too convenient.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||November 27, 2023 3:44 AM|
Is there anyone Watson hasn't told his sad story to? What a blabbermouth.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||November 27, 2023 3:47 AM|
Alarm Clock Jack storyline didn't really advance much this week. Sigh.
At least Ada wasn't jilted at the altar like poor Lady Edith.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||November 27, 2023 3:53 AM|
Michael (Watson) Cerveris has told his sad tale to everyone at this point so what would be the point of moving to Frisco?
|by Anonymous||reply 103||November 27, 2023 3:59 AM|
I can understand Ada not wearing white but deep teal with Frida Kahlo headdress?
I don't think so.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||November 27, 2023 4:01 AM|
And the Denee Benton character in that bright scarlet dress in Tuskeggee? It's a wonder she wasn't hauled off the streets and lynched by those white thugs' wives.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||November 27, 2023 4:03 AM|
So was the evil footman going to spill the soup on the Duke of Butterface's head? Was that the plan to embarrass Bertha?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||November 27, 2023 4:04 AM|
R106. Yup. Not sure how much Miss Gulch paid him but I hope it was a lot cuz Gladys would surely fire his ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||November 27, 2023 4:06 AM|
More gay sex!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 108||November 27, 2023 4:18 AM|
Next episode looks thrilling. I have to say my own predictions came true. I thought Peggy and her boss would get romantically involved and they finally did. I believed Agnes would show up at the church and she did.. I like old Bannister. Now I'm gonna predict that Oscar loses all his money and so does his lovely potential fiancee. That guy and his big business scheme is gonna blow up in their faces. Does anyone know his name? Will this be part of some historical scam? Like Teapot Dome or something?
And the railway workers strike. Gonna get real ugly I think. WTF is going to happen to Turner when Bertha finds out...and she will...that sabotage was on the menu? And does anyone else believe there will be a very short lived honey moon for Ada and Luke? I think someone will become ill and sadness is waiting in the wings. Marian and Dashiell are moving along, but I wonder. She seems so happy and fun with the Russell boy. You know Dashiell wants to marry her. But is he looking for a wife or for a mother for his kids.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||November 27, 2023 4:26 AM|
Marian and Larry must be the endgame. They need a reason for Baranski and Coon to face off.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||November 27, 2023 4:34 AM|
What's going on with Oscar's business investments? Hopefully that guy isn't the Gilded Age Sam Bankman-Fried
|by Anonymous||reply 111||November 27, 2023 4:37 AM|
Have we seen the last of Laura Benantis' cougar?
|by Anonymous||reply 112||November 27, 2023 4:42 AM|
The crisis of there being cum in the Duke’s soup was thankfully avoided!!!
I sure hope Oscar loses all his money. He is a sniveling weirdo.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||November 27, 2023 4:42 AM|
Soap Operas don’t have endgames. The plot just keeps going.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||November 27, 2023 4:56 AM|
I would like an orgy or at least a 3 way.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||November 27, 2023 5:13 AM|
I get weird vibes from the girl playing Dashiell's daughter. She looks strange, like the Ukrainian dwarf or Claudia the vampire girl.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||November 27, 2023 5:54 AM|
Turner needs to have a significant victory against Bertha. One-sided rivalries are boring as fuck. Bertha always winning is also boring as fuck. She needs to get checked.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||November 27, 2023 5:55 AM|
Agnes pulled a magnificent Maleficent moment entering the church. Baranski should have floated down the aisle in green smoke.
Loved it. Oh, and loved that the Turner char, did not stain the dinner.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||November 27, 2023 7:36 AM|
Who dressed Agnes? The servants were in the church.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||November 27, 2023 2:06 PM|
She probably has a heathen lady's maid.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||November 27, 2023 2:09 PM|
I think the reverend wanted to wear Ada's dress.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||November 27, 2023 2:33 PM|
I kept waiting for that scene last night when niece Marian would have to explain to Aunt Ada what her conjugal duties to the Reverend would be. And the inevitable cancellation of the wedding.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||November 27, 2023 2:38 PM|
Agnes sitting Ada down for the talk.
"First something [bold]disgusting[/bold] is going to happen to you tonight and you will [bold]hate[/bold] every minute of it.
Second, [bold]if you don't[/bold], there is something [bold]very wrong [/bold]with you and you are [bold]not[/bold] a [bold]lady[/bold], you may not even be a [bold]Livingston![/bold]"
|by Anonymous||reply 123||November 27, 2023 2:59 PM|
The Wedding Dress: Although Queen Victoria popularized the "white" wedding dress in 1840, it still wasn't universal until after 1900. Also Ada didn't have a new dress made, just additional ribbon ornamentation. Agnes was able to dress (in the Power Dress) because her Lady's Maid, the grim Gussie she is, wasn't going to the wedding.
The plot-to-sabotage-the-Duke's-party shenanigans was a cartoon - so broad. I expected Sherlock Holmes or Hercule Poirot to walk in. Also, we are being set-up to think the Duke is irresistibly drawn to Gladys. I think she kind of looks like there is some rodent DNA there.... can't see how her "great beauty" would attract anything but a fly.
The Rev definitely has a shelf-life: I'm thinking brain cancer.
Oscar is going to lose a lot of money. That whole investment sub-plot is a scheme. It'd be funny of the "immensely wealthy" young lady was in on the scheme.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||November 27, 2023 3:25 PM|
The Duke is drawn to Daddy’s money, silly.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||November 27, 2023 3:29 PM|
We're totally getting the Brooklyn Bridge stampede, which happened six days after its opening. Of all the notable historical events I predicted back in the old threads, this one makes the most sense as it's the most local.
Can Larry please stop falling for cougars? Am I right in thinking that this new one looks like a younger Jillian Armenante? Remember her?
I'm so glad we didn't get a full lynching scene because what we did get was so distressing to watch already. Fucking deplorables.
So many cute footmen in this episode, the casting folk have a great eye.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||November 27, 2023 5:05 PM|
Does anyone know anything about the railway strike? Did it really happen?
|by Anonymous||reply 127||November 27, 2023 5:39 PM|
They said they were willing to die for workers rights and now we haven't seen or heard from them in two episodes, very strange.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||November 27, 2023 6:20 PM|
I've been listening to a podcast about the industrial revolution(s) over this past month and apparently by this point in time, the US was already the leading manufacturer of clocks and watches. So I don't know what the hell Jack is about to invent with that damn alarm clock.
By the way, George Stephenson – the father of railways – also taught himself to be a watchmaker at a young age when he was still working in and later managing workers in the coal mines, so that might have been an inspiration behind Jack's arc.
Speaking of railways, that CG locomotive looked pretty damn good.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||November 27, 2023 6:28 PM|
They had clocks and watches, but did they have an affordable and reliable alarm clock? I don’t think so.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||November 27, 2023 6:35 PM|
The first known mechanical alarm clock was invented by the American Levi Hutchins in 1787. There's no mention of it being unreliable.
Frenchman Antoine Redier was the first to patent an adjustable alarm clock in 1847, but the patent didn't cross the oceans.
American Seth E. Thomas patented his own version in the US in 1876. His company (founded in 1813) started mass producing them.
This season takes place in 1883. I rest my case.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||November 27, 2023 6:45 PM|
The Railway Strike of 1877 in Pittsburgh really happened and it was bloody. Dozens were killed. They called out the state militia, and the feds and it brought things to a standstill for weeks. It was extremely violent and bloody. Fires, riots, death. Coming next week I betcha. This will be a major catastrophe for George Russell and the other railroad men. But of course the Government will be on their side. Episode 6 and probably 7 will be consumed with it, which is why they probably got the more minor plot points out of the way in Episode 4 &5.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||November 27, 2023 6:57 PM|
The Credit Mobillier scandal when politicians were getting $$$ off Railroad construction was in t about 1872-73. I'm wondering if Oscar was investing in a "big deal" involving railroads and then the labor riots caused the "big deal" to fall apart and he loses his money and his potential fiancee' loses everything as well. Although, I like Oscar. I think he has larceny in his genes and he will figure out a way to weasel out intact.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||November 27, 2023 7:02 PM|
No mention of it being unreliable? You crazy. Jack said it himself. He clearly knows more about alarm clocks than someone who no doubt never heard of Levi Hutchins before today. Jack, on the other hand, has a portrait of Hutchins over his bed. I imagine.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||November 27, 2023 7:08 PM|
I don't think I've ever seen former slaves interacting with the whites like that mere 18 years after the Civil War on TV before, it was so hard to watch. Peggy's mom was right, but I doubt she could have imagined Alabama still being an absolute fucking shithole 140 years after she gave her that talk.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||November 27, 2023 7:11 PM|
I found the Alabama part of the story very upsetting in Episode 5. I really thought something horrible would happen t o them. I thought he would get killed and shed be brutalized and then shipped home in tatters by the Washingtons. I suspect the experience will definitely affect how they write up their news story.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||November 27, 2023 7:15 PM|
^^ It was both a horrifying sequence, and so curious. So soon after the Civil War and Reconstruction - life in the South from this perspective is NOT portrayed much. It was a "balance" to the story of white old money and new Robber Barons, and so both checked a box, told an important untold story, and advanced the plot of a character.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||November 27, 2023 7:15 PM|
And what happened to the plot line with the cunt servant’s dying mother?
|by Anonymous||reply 138||November 27, 2023 7:16 PM|
Having now read the cited article—Hutchin’s invention was for his own use and it was not adjustable. It would only ring at one time.
Redier’s clock could only be set to the nearest hour. I’d call that “unreliable.”
As for the reported invention of an alarm clock by Seth Thomas in 1876, it is indeed a remarkable achievement considering that he died in 1859.
Go, Jack. You can do it!
|by Anonymous||reply 139||November 27, 2023 7:18 PM|
gave me the cold grue
|by Anonymous||reply 140||November 27, 2023 7:22 PM|
The problem with this show is that it’s like a glossy Hallmark drama that glistens with saccharine syrup. Downton Abbey was darker and had satisfying drama elements.
What’s the point of the Gilded Age if everything works out in the end and has a positive message like one of those 1980s sitcoms with the special episode?
|by Anonymous||reply 141||November 27, 2023 7:23 PM|
R141 I thought DA was very positive. No aristocrats in that era would have bent over for their servants the way the Crawley's did. Happy endings all round.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||November 27, 2023 7:26 PM|
r139 The Seth Thomas Clock Co. invented the first alarm clock in 1876 and was awarded a patent for its invention the same year, not Seth Thomas himself. I should have made that clearer.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||November 27, 2023 7:27 PM|
Crowd massacre on Brooklyn Bridge, Black journalists chased by white lynch mob, labor riots with military intervention and lots of blood, investment schemes with lost fortunes.... r142 Yep, Happy Endings like a massage in WeHo, yep.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||November 27, 2023 7:29 PM|
R142 I need a tragic death.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||November 27, 2023 7:29 PM|
Yes, I thought Downton Abbey was unrealistically positive. The aristocrats look like saints
|by Anonymous||reply 146||November 27, 2023 7:30 PM|
We don't cast with our eyes.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||November 27, 2023 7:33 PM|
The article you cite specifically says that Seth Thomas himself invented the alarm clock. Tsk. Tsk. Clearly an unreliable source. Also, the existence of an 1876 patent does not tell us when the company started selling the clocks or how reliable they were After mentioning the Thomas patent, the article says “ In an expanding urban and industrial world, people were obligated to know the time and to be on time,” writes historian Martin Levinson. “By the late nineteenth century, many consumers were actively seeking alarm clocks.”
Plenty of opportunity for an enterprising young gentlemen like our Jack.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||November 27, 2023 7:33 PM|
"Serve the teacakes, Loretta."
|by Anonymous||reply 149||November 27, 2023 7:36 PM|
The Seth Thomas Clock Company was producing 135,000 clocks per year in 1885, shortly after this season takes place. I'm pretty sure they weren't sitting on that alarm clock patent, lmao.
I don't know what Jack might invent, but it surely won't be a reliable alarm clock.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||November 27, 2023 7:37 PM|
Is Larry's new cougar going to take ANY responsibility for the impending stampede, or nah?
|by Anonymous||reply 151||November 27, 2023 7:39 PM|
135,000 ALARM clocks? They were a leading clock manufacturer so unless you have specific information about the number of ALARM clocks they produced in 1885 it’s back to the library for you!
|by Anonymous||reply 152||November 27, 2023 7:42 PM|
My American history is so poor I need Laura Linney to give me an introduction on what is going on in general American life.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||November 27, 2023 7:44 PM|
Bertha mentioned using Bernardaud china and St. Louis glass for the dinner with the Duke. Googling around, both look fancy as hell.
Anyway, here's the actor who played the cute, bitchy, scheming footman. His very first IMDb credit!
|by Anonymous||reply 154||November 27, 2023 8:07 PM|
We should remember that Jack already owns an alarm clock. Perhaps we can stipulate that it was manufactured by Seth Thomas Company. But our boy finds it wanting. He’s seeking to improve upon existing technology. And no doubt Seth Thomas’s sons would pay a pretty penny for a better, um, mousetrap.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||November 27, 2023 8:12 PM|
It’s nice that Meryl got this Cush job for Louisa. All she has to do is look pretty and maybe say 12 lines each week. I wonder what her salary is.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||November 27, 2023 8:49 PM|
R156 I thought she was competent but bland for the first season. By now I think her "careful, shallow" speech works for the character, and she has some tools. Her anger at Aunt Agnes was effective. Her charm with Larry seems real. Her uncertainty with the cousin and his daughter want who want to adopt her seems sweet...
Her character is a straightforward, polite, NICE young woman. The actress may not be able to do more than be straightforward, polite, nice... I haven't seen her in anything else. But for now it works for this character.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||November 27, 2023 9:04 PM|
Louisa's sister I think Mamie and Gracie, are really really good actors. Louisa still seems to be finding her footing. I do think the role does giver her a lot to work with. She did rise to the occasion when it was needed. I loved her exchanges with Baransky. They had chemistry. And she is good at putting a little steel in Ada's spine. The dynamic works. But the way the dialogue is written, so mannered, it doesn't even compare to Downton Abbey as far as the scripts. Stilted, mannered artificial conversation. Carrie Coon's Bertha expressing her outrage at her husband's betrayal was the best I've seen of her. She is almost mechanical in most of her scenes.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||November 27, 2023 9:17 PM|
R158 here. I meant Louisa's sisters....I do NOT think the role does give her much to work with....
|by Anonymous||reply 159||November 27, 2023 9:18 PM|
The Downton costumes were always gorgeous and authentic but never distracted from the scenes the way these fantastical creations do.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||November 27, 2023 11:13 PM|
DA could have real heartache because actors like Dan Stevens and Jessica Findlay Brown chose to leave the series and made tragic deaths possible.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||November 27, 2023 11:15 PM|
Well the new moneyed people are usually the tackiest dressers r160.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||November 27, 2023 11:16 PM|
OMG, Jack's inventing the iPhone, isn't he?!?!?!?!
|by Anonymous||reply 163||November 28, 2023 12:10 AM|
I'm another one who mostly dislikes the costumes. They're at war with themselves. You look at the Met archives and the dresses were elaborate but there was a color restraint. These things are like an episode of Antique Drag Race.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||November 28, 2023 12:12 AM|
The men's tailoring has always been consistently authentic and incredibly handsome.
But the women's costumes are trying way too hard to stun the eyes and reinvent what those bustle ensembles really looked like. Fantastical shapes and outrageously inappropriate colors.
I don't imagine Julian Fellowes or any of the producers even know the difference.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||November 28, 2023 12:42 AM|
I like the Streepling just fine.
I liked the first season well enough, but I’m really enjoying this season. Lots of scheming and real world influences that always send me down a rabbit hole history lesson. I didn’t know about the woman engineer; that’s cool! Oscar is certainly going to lose his money and Agnes will be scandalized. I can’t see Uncle Julian allowing Ada to be happy for long—something is afoot. Turner is a fun bitch-I know Bertha will eventually come out on top, but I hope at least one of Turner’s schemes works.
The Peggy stuff was tense. I was so scared for them. Glad they escaped.
I guess they have more than enough characters and storylines, but I miss Jeanne Tripplehorn.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||November 28, 2023 12:43 AM|
R165, people wore bright colors back then.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||November 28, 2023 1:14 AM|
It would be nice if Meryl Streep made a small cameo role.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||November 28, 2023 1:19 AM|
I'd like to see Glennie Close make a cameo as Albert Nobbs.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||November 28, 2023 1:22 AM|
Okay, R169 I laughed at that.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||November 28, 2023 1:36 AM|
Perhaps G. will land the role of Bertha’s new tiara-handling maid. She will make the most of that small part, I’m sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||November 28, 2023 1:56 AM|
[quote] Why wasn't Ada wearing white
White wasn’t that common - and she was old for the time. I believe I had great aunts in the early twentieth century get married in green or olive.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||November 28, 2023 2:45 AM|
I think baransky’s confession to priest Luke about how lonely she’ll be made her INstantly a more interesting character than the dowager cuntess at DA. She’s a sour bitch, but there is interest there
|by Anonymous||reply 173||November 28, 2023 2:46 AM|
The Streepling is definitely better this season. Of course it helps that she's not carrying a major storyline.
The episode would have been much better, and more fun, if the scheme with the sauce had been pulled off. As it was, it was another round of "Bertha wins again." which is quite boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||November 28, 2023 2:46 AM|
Also, at her age, Ada would have married quietly in the parlour at home.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||November 28, 2023 2:47 AM|
Unless she married a priest.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||November 28, 2023 2:48 AM|
This was the best episode this season, which isn't entirely high praise. At least there wasn't all the tiresome emoting of last week's episode, although the rescue of the banquet for the Duke seemed ridiculous. Yes, Ada's marriage will somehow crash and burn--she seems to be the "poor Edith" of this show. Oscar will lose his fortune. Hopefully, Bertha will "get hers" at some point---she's not very interesting if they stick with this. The Tuskegee subplot was at least a bit unexpected and actually well done. The opera subplot seem to be losing steam, hence, the Roebling plot, I guess.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||November 28, 2023 3:22 AM|
Call me Rose, but what was the evil footman going to do with that bowl of soup?
|by Anonymous||reply 178||November 28, 2023 3:27 AM|
r167, bright colors like those seen on the series were very rarely worn by respectable women in the 1880s. Certainly not by the likes of retiring spinsters like Ada and Black secretaries like Peggy.
I get it, it's HBO TV, but still, it's just so inauthentic and distracting. It would be far smarter if they saved those very bright colors for dramatic punch when needed instead of making it the norm in every scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||November 28, 2023 3:32 AM|
^ No, most women liked bright colors, even respectable ones. It's a myth that Victorians wore bland colors. See some comparisons: costumes from the show vs real dresses from the time
|by Anonymous||reply 180||November 28, 2023 3:35 AM|
r180, did you actually read the article you linked?
There are NO examples of real dresses in bright or deep colors from the 1880s in any of the research they provide. And I agree with all of the criticism of the GA costumes the author so generously lays out in the article.
If you love the costumes, that's great.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||November 28, 2023 4:03 AM|
r181, they've done numerous write-ups about the show, and if you go through them you can see comparisons to dresses from the time
Did YOU read the article? They do give the show some criticism but overall their view of the costumes is positive
|by Anonymous||reply 182||November 28, 2023 4:06 AM|
Lots of dresses from that period were brightly colored:
|by Anonymous||reply 183||November 28, 2023 4:09 AM|
Hope the bald dude gets some kind of reward for saving the day with his keen observation skills. He always seems most out of place to me. Did men shave their heads like that in the 1880s? Photos from that era show men leaving their remaining hair. Maybe he’s just completely cue ball bald.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||November 28, 2023 9:55 AM|
He’s sort of cute in a sad way, I’ll throw him a BJ
|by Anonymous||reply 185||November 28, 2023 12:06 PM|
I just don't see Gladys having any particular charisma or enough charm and beauty to be any sort of society beauty. She's sweet but easily eclipsed by other chatacters. The way Julian is writing her as some great society deb of the social scene needs to be a Scarlett O'Hara type personality. Unless, she undergoes a personality major change or makeover she's miscast in my humble opinion.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||November 28, 2023 2:21 PM|
Taissa Farmiga is a bland actress and isn't remotely attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||November 28, 2023 3:27 PM|
To me though, R183 is a classic example of how the show gets it wrong. The dress shown at link was bold, but it works. Three colors, considerable detail, but it isn't at war with itself. So many of the dresses on GA look like a collision between Easter, Drag Watch and truck full of Eastern European upholstery.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||November 28, 2023 3:27 PM|
R186, agreed. I'm sure Bertha looks at Gladys and wonders how to make that mouse work. In Gone with the Wind, Scarlett disregards her daughter by Frank Kennedy as bird brained and addled (probably because Scarlett boozed her way through the whole pregnancy.) That's who Gladys reminds me of. She's written like a total disappointment.
There was much more dramatic tension in a mother and daughter equally matched in temperament, but, Julian Fellowes.... Oooooh, if I finish this script quickly we'll have time for extra mini-puddings with our tea!
|by Anonymous||reply 189||November 28, 2023 3:30 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 190||November 28, 2023 3:33 PM|
See, here's the thing. I don't think the actress playing Gladys is miscast. I think she is playing the character deliberately bland and colorless. While her mother has all these pretensions of importance and plays the society games, and insists Gladys wear this color not that color, and her parents block suitors they feel unsuitable, poor Gladys (even her name is dowdy) just wants to be a simple young girl and have friends and have fun. Notice how she walked in to the dinner a couple beats late and was sort of going through the motions and when Mrs. Fish called out she just walked right past Mom and the duke. She was unimpressed and unimpressive. Gladys only lights up when she is with people she likes or is comfortable with. She's drab, because her mother has squeezed the life out of her leaving her almost limp.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||November 28, 2023 3:36 PM|
And Bertha needs to hike her daughter's tits up and out. They were invisible at the dinner.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||November 28, 2023 3:36 PM|
R192, Gladys 's whole presentation had a bit of the ridiculous in it. One of the downstairs maids could have worked up more enthusiasm, and the feather and the white accents on the BRIGHT pink dress made it seem like a cheap dancehall costume not a formal dinner gown. Gladys dressed better at the ball her parents gave last season.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||November 28, 2023 3:40 PM|
I agree r193, the dress on Gladys reminded me of a can-can girl. And the hat Marian wore to Aunt Ada's wedding could have been purchased at Party City.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||November 28, 2023 4:07 PM|
That post is abuse- it’s not remotely funny or witty.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||November 28, 2023 4:25 PM|
Who upthread called Ada's hat from the Frida Kahlo collection?
|by Anonymous||reply 196||November 28, 2023 4:32 PM|
I am tired of hearing the word "Pittsburgh"
|by Anonymous||reply 197||November 28, 2023 5:07 PM|
Some of the costumes are beautiful but some are hideous. There was one on the latest episode where it looked like Marian had roses for nipples.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||November 28, 2023 5:26 PM|
Gladys and Ada are analogous to Edith in "Downton Abbey" and really one Edith would be enough (she certainly was more than enough on DT). Gladys is the dull part of Edith, while Ada is the pitiful part and I doubt we'll have an unplanned pregnancy or unanticipated interest from a minor royal (although Gladys' mother is trying), but maybe Ada will have a dead husband.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||November 28, 2023 5:34 PM|
Taissa is an attractive woman, but they intentionally make her dowdy for this.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||November 28, 2023 5:44 PM|
I want Ada to have a change of life baby!
|by Anonymous||reply 201||November 28, 2023 5:45 PM|
According to the Mail Nixon is on a hunger strike outside the White House, until Biden imposes a ceasefire in Gaza, or something along those lines.
Frankly, I think it'll do her good. That bustle wasn't getting any smaller.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||November 28, 2023 6:28 PM|
But there *is* a cease-fire in place as I type, and there also was a cease-fire in place until Hamas broke it with their barbarism on October 7th. These Hollywood types really do live on another fucking planet.
What a surreal experience it'll be watching this show next week. Ada on her honeymoon and Nixon cosplaying as our Darfur orphan.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||November 28, 2023 6:39 PM|
Well, to be fair to Taissa, the hair styles of the time aged women. Even the younger women look matronly.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||November 28, 2023 6:47 PM|
R203 I understand the horror of Oct 7. But the idea that only Hamas is at fault is no longer the reasonable opinion world wide. Those who oppose ethnic cleansing, who are dedicated to human rights, know that only a two-state solution is the possible path to peace. Israel will need to be different. Palestinians will need to reject Hamas... and Palestine will need to be its own country.
The world has changed this Fall. Israel is not without guilt. Hamas is evil.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||November 28, 2023 6:56 PM|
There's not nearly enough real tension and passion and interest between these characters. Also more Mrs. Fish, please. Give her a proper story line.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||November 28, 2023 7:02 PM|
Yeah, I can see that r199. The Duke is pretty dull as well, of course. So at best it will be the marriage of a dull dishrag with money to a dull dishrag with a title. Hurrah!
|by Anonymous||reply 207||November 28, 2023 7:07 PM|
[quote]But the idea that only Hamas is at fault is no longer the reasonable opinion world wide.
In your opinion. Hamas is wholly to blame for the terrorism; you can't victim-blame Israelis and others who got caught up in the savagery of October 7th, just as you can't say the US shares part of the blame for 9/11. There is NEVER excuse for terrorising civilians. No ifs, no buts, no qualifiers of any kind. We live in a modern world and there need to be lines drawn in the sand when it comes to this medieval nonsense. If you do resort to that sort of behaviour, the response needs to be ruthless, so you'll get the message what happens if you try that again. We'll all benefit from that ruthless response in the long run.
Hamas needs to be obliterated from the face of the planet, then we can talk. And unless we forget, it's Hamas that has thrown off members of nascent opposition parties in Gaza off rooftops in the past because they were competition to their hold on power.
Anyway, I enjoy this thread for being a refuge from the real world, so I won't press this matter further.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||November 28, 2023 7:29 PM|
I agree. Not here. I posted the Nixon thing here and it was a dumb choice. I ought to have put it on the thread related. Very sorry.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||November 28, 2023 7:44 PM|
Hi Taissa at R200! Sorry dear, you're fug in every era.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||November 28, 2023 7:59 PM|
I think Oscar's drag name should be Pernicious Anemia.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||November 29, 2023 1:38 AM|
Were bustles a kind of status thing? I don't think the maids had bustles did they? But they if they went out on a day off they had a plain version of the bustle dresses the rich ladies wore. And some of Marian's outfits, her bustles seemed less pronounced than Bertha's or Ada or Agnes.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||November 29, 2023 3:46 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 213||November 29, 2023 4:12 PM|
r178, Spill the soup on the duke.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||November 29, 2023 4:22 PM|
Spill the soup on George Russell and I’ll happily lick it up.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||November 29, 2023 4:29 PM|
The spill the soup on the Duke gambit was poorly conceived. First of all, a random footman hired for the occasion would not be serving the guest of honor. Second, the fact that he regularly works for the Wintertons is not a secret.
Lazy, lazy, lazy.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||November 29, 2023 5:04 PM|
It was a Russell footman.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||November 29, 2023 5:26 PM|
R217 He was... but I didn't understand his motivation for staging such a gaffe. I mean spilling soup on the Duke gets him fired and couldn't possibly help him get another job in service.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||November 29, 2023 6:01 PM|
Excuse me, r218, but you are trying to apply logic to this. There is no need for logic. In my world, an evil footman can stay in his job as long as he wants. He brings a certain needed - color - to the place...
|by Anonymous||reply 219||November 29, 2023 6:24 PM|
Perhaps he already had an offer to join Watson in San Francisco?
|by Anonymous||reply 220||November 29, 2023 7:25 PM|
I assume Turner was going to give him a very special hiring bonus.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||November 29, 2023 7:29 PM|
Yes, Turner probably promised him a job at her palace.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||November 29, 2023 7:41 PM|
I was thinking Turner had plans to snag the Duke, kill off the elderly husband, grab the cash, and become a Duchess. But Big Bertha seems to twat-block her at every turn.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||November 29, 2023 8:00 PM|
R221 Hard to think she'd be that explicit to reward a servant who messed up the Duke's Dinner. But then.... "poaching" the help has come up before in this series.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||November 29, 2023 8:05 PM|
Plotting and writing is terrible. Acting is a mixed bag. The only fun is seeing what old mansions they took out of mothballs to shoot this series and how they get the production design right, or wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||November 29, 2023 8:14 PM|
That whole "spill the soup" plot was beyond stupid. Embarrassingly bad! Insulting. Non-sensical.
It's shocking to me that HBO is willing to put millions into this shit yet won't bring in some better writers to "help" Fellowes.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||November 29, 2023 9:00 PM|
They could have at least put some mice in the dining room and had them running wild as the guests ate their soup. Now that would have been the shit. That's how I'd have written it. But of course that would have ruined things and the point was that things were not ruined. But I agree. Deliberately spilling soup was dumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||November 30, 2023 2:47 AM|
Maybe the soup was to be poisoned?
|by Anonymous||reply 228||November 30, 2023 1:29 PM|
One thing I have to credit Turner with. She had a back up plan in place. It didn't work, but it demonstrates she is not to be dismissed.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||November 30, 2023 2:16 PM|
Maybe Alarm Clock Jack put his cum into the soup......the Duke would have asked for a second helping.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||November 30, 2023 5:11 PM|
Consuelo Vanderbilt had quite the life. She did marry the Duke - sobbing down the aisle - and gave him two children. It was very much a loveless marriage. But she ended up divorcing him, which was rare. After that, she lived and loved well. And get this -Diana Spencer is related.
There's a photo of her then. She was fairly similar to the actress playing her.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||November 30, 2023 5:11 PM|
The American heiress Frances Ellen Work was actually Diana’s great grandmother. (And Oliver Platt is really one of Diana’s cousins?) The Vanderbilt relationship is more distant.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||November 30, 2023 5:21 PM|
She's a beaut.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||November 30, 2023 5:22 PM|
I like that the Russell men are very handsome. And the women are attractive enough. And the Van Rhijns are homely. Blake Ritson as Oscar is very poorly lit. He looks ill.
Ward Horton as Charles Fane isn't bad looking. I don't buy the plot twist that Russel saved his fortune. That was very easy.
Sullivan Jones is handsome.
There aren't enough handsome men in this series.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||November 30, 2023 6:44 PM|
The Vanderbilt men were homely. It took a couple generations and the Cornelius line was eventually OK looking.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||November 30, 2023 6:48 PM|
Charles Fane looks Gay to me. Aurora has been very helpful to getting Bertha hooked up with the society people she was to run with.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||November 30, 2023 7:14 PM|
R235, leave the Vanderbilts alooooone
|by Anonymous||reply 237||November 30, 2023 8:54 PM|
I'm seeing a bit of AC in R235.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||November 30, 2023 8:56 PM|
AC is a descendant of the dissolute brother, Reginald.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||November 30, 2023 9:03 PM|
[quote]Charles Fane looks Gay to me.
He looks [bold]very[/bold] gay to me. In fact I want him to have an affair with John Adams' attractive grandson.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||November 30, 2023 10:08 PM|
Clay Elder (Adams) was Ward Horton's (Fane) understudy in the dreadful Torch Song revival.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||November 30, 2023 11:33 PM|
R234 , I want beard-y Cousin Dashiell deeply, deeply inside me. He is very sexy.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||December 1, 2023 4:21 AM|
R242, I agree. That guy is hot... and that voice. Yummy. But I Google stalked... straight and married.
Personally, I don't think actors should be allowed to be straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||December 1, 2023 2:00 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 244||December 1, 2023 4:45 PM|
[quote]Personally, I don't think actors are ever completely straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||December 1, 2023 5:06 PM|
Morgan Spector. Please pound my ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||December 2, 2023 2:05 AM|
How can that man not be gay?
|by Anonymous||reply 247||December 2, 2023 2:09 AM|
Fuck, r246. Rebecca Hall is one lucky bitch.
He’s pretty lucky too. Gorgeous couple. I kind of wish she was playing Bertha.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||December 2, 2023 6:55 AM|
Very big dick energy there
|by Anonymous||reply 249||December 2, 2023 2:53 PM|
I'm sorry, he's not bad, but I don't see it. I think the guy who plays his son is ten times hotter.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||December 2, 2023 9:16 PM|
I think the issue with Morgan Spector is dressing him in Victorian tailoring, all buttoned up, is not really doing him any favors. HIs sex appeal is very contemporary working class guy. The son OTOH pulls off the period look just perfectly.
What's stupid, among many things with the series, is they don't really take advantage of that working class ethos in the conception of George Russell. It might have been mentioned in S1E1 but really should be a constant in the characterization. He's basically become little more than a prop for his wife.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||December 2, 2023 10:04 PM|
Agreed, R116. It's like they shrank down an adult Kiernan Shipka back to Sally Draper size. She's also leaning way too heavily into the "we're a little family!" business. That's extremely creepy and presumptuous, not to mention precocious, at that stage of acquaintance.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||December 2, 2023 10:19 PM|
George is torn between his progressive nature and taking the shrewdest actions as a Robber Baron to protect and build his vast wealth. For example he is progressive about his daughter's right to self define, within some boundaries. This was a promising characterization although basically unstable and they haven't pushed it. He obviously both loves his wife and relies on her steely determination in all things. He takes energy from her steely coolness.
I haven't been moved by any dilemmas in the Russell narrative. This is poor writing and plotting. Th other characters have more compelling stories and conflicts, though even they are limited. So much of the plotting is weak sauce.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||December 2, 2023 10:25 PM|
WHET Jeanne Tripplehorn's character? I don't remember, nor do I recall any of the specifics of her storyline. I only remember that she was snubbed by polite society and had an art collection.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||December 2, 2023 10:27 PM|
R252 It's SUPER HEAVY narration. I guess it's for the near senile viewers in the virtual peanut gallery, watching from their Barcaloungers.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||December 2, 2023 10:27 PM|
R254 are you one of the senile viewers I just mentioned? Sylvia Chamberlain's backstory is painstakingly narrated in several episodes. She was the mistress. She bore a son out of wedlock and when they were finally able to marry they tried to pass the son off as legitimate. Nobody in society bought into it.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||December 2, 2023 10:30 PM|
R253, you're right. Fellowes cannot do complexity or character, and if he somehow tries and does, he cannot sustain it. George should have been a much more complex character, contentedly ruthless in business, rationalizing everything. His daughter should have been a stronger character, a challenge to her mother's strong will. This could have been a great drama but it isn't (which isn't to say, for me, it isn't a ton of fun to watch.) And for some reason they've gone the cast of thousands route, allowing everybody about three lines a week in two scenes at best, on average. Nothing happens, nothing matters. It's just so damn frustrating because Fellowes is great at creating a chess board but horrible with the moves.
R254, she was just a cog in the wheel of the storyline about Marian and Raikes. They didn't even write her out. She just ceased to exist in season two.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||December 2, 2023 10:33 PM|
I never watched Downton Abbey. I'm continually surprised that a man who makes a career out of creating historical drama and writing dialogue for period characters has such a minuscule understanding of how people actually spoke.
"Go for it!"
"You're going to miss out!"
Servant to employer: "If you don't go to the wedding, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life." The presumption! The disrespect! That would never happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||December 2, 2023 10:37 PM|
I don't think Uncle Julian likes to be late for tea, so sometimes he rushes.
But truly, I think he's much better at setting the stage than scripting. It is a mystery to me how many actors on GA have vigorously sucked his cock with lines in press like "and of course the genius writing of Julian Fellowes!" I don't think anyone would honestly call Fellowes a genius writer. He doesn't punch genius at all. He's... fine... he delivers typical Julian Fellowes material, which never delivers any insight into the human condition. It has to be contracted. Baranski, Coon et. al have all played the genius card in press and it amazes me. And Coon is married to a Pulitzer prize winning writer.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||December 2, 2023 10:58 PM|
When I think that he did Gosford Park I just shake my head. Of course he was working with Robert Altman who was brilliant. I think Julian performs better when he has someone pushing him.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||December 2, 2023 11:18 PM|
Series 2? They’re still on the same series, “The Guilded Age.” We’re in season two now, of course.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||December 2, 2023 11:20 PM|
The consensus is Gosford was as much a consequence of truly all star, talented actor cast, set free to ad lib. Which would be consistent with Fellowes knowing how to set the table but not cook the meal.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||December 2, 2023 11:23 PM|
[quote] "If you don't go to the wedding, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life."
I can see Carson saying that to Lady Mary, r258. Indicative of a long-established relationship.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||December 3, 2023 1:56 AM|
Agnes Van Rhijn is mostly bark with no bite. If I'm not mistaken she rails against and slaps down all impudence but she doesn't punish it.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||December 3, 2023 2:03 AM|
[quote] Servant to employer: "If you don't go to the wedding, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life." The presumption! The disrespect!
Have someone fetch your smelling salts, Mary!
|by Anonymous||reply 265||December 3, 2023 2:03 AM|
Oh, the HUMANITY!
|by Anonymous||reply 266||December 3, 2023 2:45 PM|
It's shocking how bad this series is with so many prominent producers in place. The series and characters can all be described as "one note," no depth to either. Doesn't always equal magic but its not usually such a bomb in so many areas:
1. Christine Baranski - how under used this wonderful actress is. Her character is completely one note with no depth. They have her saying non-funny sarcastic lines every episode. They have her sitting on basically the same set every episode - her living room or dinning room. Ridiculous. 2. Casting in general - it's actually easier to name the actors who were cast well. Mr. Russell is a great actor, fits his part. Miss Brook, Louisa Jacobson , is also very good (helps that her mother is Meryl Streep). And... that's it. All of the others are miscast. Cynthia Nixon is cringe. The woman who plays Mrs. Russell is not good in this role. Even the fantastic Nathan Lane is annoying in this series. 3. Storyline(s). One note and a big who cares.
LIterally the only reason to watch this series is to see how much money they've spent on sets and costumes which grow more ornate by each episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||December 3, 2023 3:22 PM|
I love it
|by Anonymous||reply 268||December 3, 2023 3:41 PM|
R267 lost me at Louisa Jacobson is very good. I agree that Baranski is totally wasted here.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||December 3, 2023 4:03 PM|
I also hate those heavily feathered bangs on Baranski's wig which look ridiculous on an ultra-conservative widow. Clearly, this is Christine's vanity.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||December 3, 2023 4:07 PM|
Well, the problem, as I See it, is that Julian hasn't done much with the plot points. Basic premise is that we go back in time to NYC society, and observe, post Industrial Revolution, or during it, the "new people" make waves and demand a place in the high class social life and are blocked. But you have all these characters and therea re stories and crises, and problems, and nothing is ever followed through. Everything is very predictable.And tedious.
|by Anonymous||reply 271||December 3, 2023 4:18 PM|
But there is a dastardly plot to spill the hot soup on the duke!
|by Anonymous||reply 272||December 3, 2023 4:35 PM|
[quote] Even the fantastic Nathan Lane is annoying in this series.
His accent is so bad and cartoonish that you wonder whether they'll want to rescind some of his previous Emmys and Tonys.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||December 3, 2023 4:42 PM|
R265, the point went right over your head. That dialogue was completely period-inappropriate, illustrating my comment, and what I wrote is how an employer like Agnes would have received it. It is not his place to comment on her behavior, and it stuck out like a sore thumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||December 3, 2023 4:46 PM|
[quote] [R265], the point went right over your head.
Oh no, honey: I absolutely ssure you I got your point.
You're just neither as ironic nor as clever as you think you are.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||December 4, 2023 1:01 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 276||December 4, 2023 1:01 AM|
Uh oh,,,,,the Rev saw a doctor. It won't be long now.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||December 4, 2023 2:26 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 278||December 4, 2023 2:43 AM|
So Mrs. Winterton/Turner took her box! I would love a knock down drag out fight between Winterton and Bertha.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||December 4, 2023 2:45 AM|
Dashiell stepped in it when he stated that Marian isn’t a real teacher.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||December 4, 2023 2:50 AM|
A starring role for Alarm Clock Jack this episode!
|by Anonymous||reply 281||December 4, 2023 3:22 AM|
But he didn't beat the clock!
|by Anonymous||reply 282||December 4, 2023 3:32 AM|
Alarm Clock Jack looks particularly dreamy when he's sad. Those eyes!
|by Anonymous||reply 283||December 4, 2023 3:33 AM|
Well. I tol' you an' I tol' you....Rev. has a fatal disease. ....and Larry Russell the architect has eyes for Marian. THis Dashiell thing will end badly. Dashiell seems rather overbearing. Oops. Gould figured in the Tea Pot Dome scandal. That guy gave Oscar his money back with "interest." And dumbass insisted on giving him MORE money and becoming an investor even though the guy was very clear about not wanting him. That guy knows this is a shady deal. Mrs. Astor needs to simply change the Academy's calendar so it doesn't conflict, the invite her "waiting list" to come to the Academy. It was a stupid strategy borne of arrogance that she insisted you couldn't be a member of both. And did she really expect the Wintertons to go quietly.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||December 4, 2023 3:47 AM|
Cancer! The big C!
|by Anonymous||reply 285||December 4, 2023 3:48 AM|
Felt so bad for Marian, being put on the spot like that by cousin Dashiell
|by Anonymous||reply 286||December 4, 2023 4:12 AM|
I really liked this episode probably because I accept the show for the over produced soap opera it is. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nixon was really excellent. Dashiell showed us what an asshole he really is. And Morgan had some nice moments.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||December 4, 2023 4:30 AM|
Cunting butlers call a truce!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 288||December 4, 2023 5:22 AM|
Honestly the plotlines are worse than a f---ing network daytime soap opera! She married him last week!!? UGHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh. I wish HBO would do-over this concept. It's a great concept. Terrible, terrrrible writing, acting, directing.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||December 4, 2023 6:23 AM|
I am certain the banker and Oscar's girl are jointly pulling a con on Oscar.
I wish Enid Winterton (formerly Turner) would gain the upper hand over Bertha for at least one episode, but Fellowes wants her plans foiled every single episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||December 4, 2023 6:28 AM|
"I am certain the banker and Oscar's girl are jointly pulling a con on Oscar."
The Caroline Ellison and Sam Bankman-Fried of yesteryear?
|by Anonymous||reply 291||December 4, 2023 6:32 AM|
Days of our Gilded Age.
All of My Gilded Age Children
One Gilded Age to Live
|by Anonymous||reply 292||December 4, 2023 7:37 AM|
Ryan’s Gilded Age
|by Anonymous||reply 293||December 4, 2023 7:55 AM|