S. First Lady Rosalynn Carter is Dead to Me

S. ?

Jimmy will probably follow her soon. They both lived long great lives. RIP.

Super? Scintillating? Sassy?

It was supposed to be U.S.

RIP Mrs Carter.

I win.

She's never been photographed nude fingering herself, so she's not a real first lady.

Awwwww

Datalounge VERY often announces these bulletins far quicker than the New York Times. I just checked NOTHING at their website about Mrs. Carter.

I feel sad for him, married 77 years.

That’s more like it.

May she Rest in Peace. A wonderful couple who did so much good in the world. Especially their work for Habitat for Humanity.

RIP.

Please do not let DJT near the funeral

I wouldn't worry, r14.

May she rest in peace.

Presidents - sitting or former - rarely go to the funerals of former First Ladies, R14. Unless the First Lady is Eleanor Roosevelt.

Jimmy will be the only president people will be sad about dying.

Is Jimmy well enough to attend her funeral?

So young.

[quote]I feel sad for him, married 77 years.

I will cry like a 12 year old girl if he dies shortly after this to join her in the great beyond 😭

We’ll get to see the reclusive Amy.

Rest in peace, Mrs. Carter

R21, Maybe Jimmy will pull a “Debbie Reynolds”.

R19: I think he’ll be well enough to go to the funeral. He entered hospice not because he was at death’s door but because he knew Rosalynn was declining and wanted to go with her. RIP Mrs. Carter

R19, Bush 41 attended Bar’s funeral in a wheelchair.

Bless her and all the great work she did!

She is in Heaven now!

A great lady and a Great First Lady who worked relentlessly for, to name a few: the poor; mental (and physical) health); those without homes and millions without hope here and around the world.

Rest In Peace, Mrs. Carter. Your life set a wonderful example for your country. Thank you for your service.

I’m bringing Bill with me to the funeral because I am not sitting next to Michelle.

My sympathies, OP. I also had an oops in the headline when I posted the original thread on this topic. Or not. There's no timestamp on this site -at least not that I know of. Rather than mention the Third Reich, I'll just add my condolences to Jimmy and the Carter family. And to America, which has lost a shining example of how to be and what to do in and out of the White House.

R29, I doubt either of the Clintons will go. The Carters and Clintons got along like oil and water.

They will attend -out of respect for the office at the very least. It's a very tiny sacrifice, and one that doesn't get asked very often. The real question will be if a Trump will dare to show up.

Our country has more tears ahead shortly. As many stated upthread, President and Mrs. Carter were rarely from each other's sides in life and in love. He will be joining his beloved soon. God bless them both.

I bet Melania will go

I predict that Jimmy will still live on for years without her, R33.

I predict Jimmy will remarry.

I actually think all former potus and First Ladies will attend the funeral (except Trump, no one wants his disgusting ass there) along with Joe and Jill of course. Just based on their humantarian work, and the longevity of their lives. It’s not like Barbara or Nancy dying, who didn’t do shit for anyone that was poor and suffering.

Whatever happened to his HILLBILLY WHITE TRASH brother?

Jimmy Carter, long now blind, hasn’t been seen in public for some time. I don’t think his health will enable him to attend the funeral.

R31, Didn’t Carter criticize Clinton during the Lewinsky thing?

R38, Billy died, young like his non-Jimmy siblings, in the ‘80s. Like their father, all of pancreatic cancer.

Didn't everybody, R40? It's the past. The Ex-President Club is a very small, elite group. The Clintons will attend.

She and Jimmy were two really good people. RIP Mrs Cater

Remember when Rosalynn told Mike Wallace on “60 Minutes” that Ronald Reagan made Americans feel comfortable with their prejudices?

Mike was a bit stunned and gave her an opportunity to walk it back, but she did not.

R40, the Clintons always blamed Pres. Carter for Bill’s loss in his first gubernatorial re-election campaign.

Have you noticed that many famous old people die at 96 recently? Queen Elizabeth, Angela Lansbury, Tony Bennett just to name a few. There must be something about this magic number being the age the elderly usually croaks at.

[quote] I predict Jimmy will remarry.

I find date for him, for veddy good price.

R34, Melania attended Barbara Bush’s funeral alone.

r44, I recall that too

RIP to a great lady. May she rest in peace.

I think all the present & former First Ladies - with the exception of Melania - will attend. The only president might be W., so he can be with bestie again.

[quote] Jimmy Carter, long now blind, hasn’t been seen in public for some time.

They made an appearance a month or so ago.

R41, Billy’s daughter married Van Jones. Seriously.

[quote] I recall that too

Recollections may vary.

Although Melania went to Barbara’s funeral, she was the then-current First Lady.

And then they divorced, R53.

Thanks for that pic, R52. In the one I saw at the time, only Rosalynn was (somewhat) visible.

What a REAL Christian looks like.

Didn’t Rosalynn refuse to give Nancy Reagan the traditional tour of the White House family quarters and had an underling do it?

I never heard that story, R59. I don’t think that’s true.

I’m seeing reporting that it was Guinea worm — any credence to that, DL?

Oh, nuts.

When the lamestream press don’t list a cause of death, it’s almost always a vax injury.

[quote]President and Mrs. Carter were rarely from each other's sides in life and in love.

Except once, in 1976.

But it was only two days later that Mr. President Jimmy Carter announced to the American people that he had secretly lusted in his life.

R9, the New York Times never announces a death FIRST.

She is one of the few, if only, First Lady to pull off the same hairstyle for 50 plus years and still look good. For that alone she rises to the top!

R66- I've had the same hairshtyle since 1972!

The pic is R52 is heartbreaking. Rosalynn looked ok, but Jimmy didn't.

R67, you missed “and still looks good”.

[quote] She is one of the few, if only, First Lady to pull off the same hairstyle for 50 plus years and still look good.

Fuck you, R66!

When I first saw this thread, I feared S. Epatha Merkerson had died.

A wonderful being. A true humanitarian, like her husband.

A live well lived.

I had an aunt and uncle who were together for 60+ years--when my aunt died, her husband joined her a few days later. I think this'll be a similar situation.

RIP Rosalynn, you were a wonderful first lady. And Jimmy should've had a second term, except he was fucked over by Reagan with the Iran hostages situation. Truly good people--what anyone labeling themselves a Christian should aspire to.

R31 I will guarantee you the Clintons will be there. You're right, they were oil and water for a long time, but in the past 20 years those feelings had faded, and Bill and Hil were fond of them, admired them, but no they were never friends. I suspect Jimmy won't be far behind. I'm reminded of an old bible verse,"I go to prepare place for you..." RIP, Rosalynn. It's about time media acknowledged her role. I remember the controversy the media fed when Rosalynn attended cabinet meetings, and when she asked for and got an office and a staff in the East Wing. That had not been done before.

R41, that just makes me even more convinced that scientists have developed life-enhancing drugs, but have only allowed an exclusive group (including former presidents and first ladies) access to them.

R61 you crack me up.

What a wonderful thing to spend 77 years with the love of your life doing good deeds together. Rest in power dear Mrs. Carter.

R66, Only 50 years plus?

Almost 60 years after JFK’s death, there’s still only been one death of a Democratic president. An amazing fact.

With serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

Fock funeral.

With mass murderer Jim Jones.

BYE BITCHES!

She and Jimmy both deserve state funerals in the National Cathedral. But knowing their humble attitudes I doubt Jimmy would want that.

All living First Ladies will attend the funeral, which will likely be in Georgia, not in DC. That includes Hillary Clinton. Representatives of the families of past Presidents will also be invited, such as members of the Ford, Johnson, and Kennedy families.

And Van Jones was not married to President Carter's daughter Amy, but to Jana Carter, no relation.

R84 That cunt Melania had better not show up.

Apologies if anyone else has already posted President Carter’s statement about the loss of Mrs Carter, but it bears repeating:

“Rosalynn was my equal partner in everything I ever accomplished. She gave me wise guidance and encouragement when I needed it. As long as Rosalynn was in the world, I always knew somebody loved and supported me.”

If you're ever in Atlanta, go to Carter's presidential library. It's amazing what he got done. And Rosalyn knew how to dress. Even in the hideous 70's.

I remember Joan Rivers was such a bitch to the Carters, calling them hillbillies with RC shouting "Come and Git It"

Should add to r84, representatives of the Reagan and Bush families will also be invited to the funeral.

It seems odd that Bill and Hillary Clinton are now the oldest surviving President and First Lady combo.

I don't think the relationship between the clintons and the carters could have been too Frosty these last few years given they attended the Carter's 75th wedding anniversary.

R89, Even Ron, Jr.?

People commenting about Jimmy dying soon after reminds me of how when my dad's wife died there were many people couldn't wait to tell me how he probably wouldn't have much longer. It was almost like we were hoping he'd be dead soon it was so odd to keep saying that to me.

[quote] And Van Jones was not married to President Carter's daughter Amy, but to Jana Carter, no relation.

Jana Carter WAS Billy's daughter.

R84, Amy Carter and Jana Carter are first cousins, you moron.

R89, See R53.

Thanks, R91! Throughout the years, I would object to young Ron to my friends (who liked his liberal politics) because I vaguely remembered - but couldn't place - some highly offensive comment about Jimmy Carter. With your help, I now have what he said.

R84, See R53.

Tricia - never Julie - always represents the Nixon at these events.

R98, There’s been friction between Tricia and Julie for years since their parents died.

[quote]That cunt Melania had better not show up.

You know she'd rather have a root canal.

RIP Rosalyn Carter

Condolences to the entire Carter family.

R100, She just attended Trump’s sister’s funeral a few days ago.

So, r102?

R103, She only attends one funeral per month.

No, Jana Carter was NOT Jimmy Carter's daughter. Jimmy had one daughter, Amy.

[quote] I remember Joan Rivers was such a bitch to the Carters, calling them hillbillies with RC shouting "Come and Git It"

I still say that Joan would have been a Trumpster had she lived to see Trump get into politics.

Van married Jimmy's daughter Dixie.

[quote] Tricia - never Julie - always represents the Nixon at these events.

Julie's a cunt.

Julie is ALWAYS a cunt!

R105 is certifiably insane.

R106, Joan Rivers adored Donald Trump, as did her pals Cindy Adams and Barbara Walters.

Carter is a southern gentleman and his late wife an educated,Southern American lady. Not. Hillbillies.

They had the class usually reserved for the rich but we're basically middle class economically.

Remember the DESIGNING WOMEN episode when Julia got the chance to meet Jimmy & Rosalynn Carter but had to do jury duty and took it out on Charlene?

[quote]"If I miss my dinner with Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter because of this, you're going to pay and pay big! I'm going to find you and hunt you down like a dog! I'm talking about you running through the woods in the snow with bloodhounds ripping your clothes off!"

😂

I look forward to the klassiest FLOTUS ever, Melania, and her fuck me stilettos and Nazi stormtrooper outfit at the funeral.

Sadly, this is likely to cast a pall over Thanksgiving. I hope they can think of it as she's sharing a turkey leg with Jesus this year.

R67, make that 1967.

Rosalynn wanted me to read the eulogy.

I fondly remember an encounter with the former First Lady when Mrs. Carter climbed through my kitchen window with a quart of chili. She almost stepped on my shelter cat Miss Sissy Boodles before scurrying away, chased by two Secret Service Agents.

Jimmy and Rosalynn were huge fans of Royal Caribbean Cruises (imagine the Secret Service letting even a former First Couple on a cruise ship these days), and Rosalynn even christened one of their ships. Back in my travel agent days when I was more plugged into cruise industry message boards, I read more than one story from women who went to exercises classes onboard during the 80s and would be working out alongside her.

I can maybe see Michelle Obama and Jill Biden doing something like that, amongst the regular folks, but Hillary, Laura Bush or the Varist Lady? Absolutely not.

If you need a smile, here's the story of Rosalynn as godmother to Sovereign of the Seas. Some nice pictures of her as well.

FYI: Jana Carter was the daughter of Jimmy Carter's crazy brother Billy Carter. So she was Jimmy's niece. She divorced Van Jones almost ten years ago. OK? Are we clear? are we CLEAR?

I'm betting they will coordinate witI'm also guessing they will have her lying in state at the Carter Center, then take her back to plains for the actual funeral.

Has our favorite president commented, yet? His was Pres. Carter's last presidential inauguration.

Hunny Jimmy and Rosalynn probably have everything all planned out for their funeral including who will speak and what kind of hymns. When Jimmy has his homegoing, he will lie in state at the Carter Center for two or three days, then go to Washington for a couple of days, then back to Plains for the actual funeral service and burial.

I think I mentioned this in a prior thread, but since its founding, Brooks Brothers made bespoke suits for every president except two.

One was Ronald Reagan, who preferred the work of his fancy Hollywood tailors.

The other was Jimmy Carter, forever a man of the people, who bought off the rack.

I imagine Ron Reagan Jr's. attitude has changed significantly in the years since his father was POTUS. He has admitted many times that he was ashamed of his father for the things he did.

If that filthy Eastern European whore Melania is invited and actually attends either of the Carter's funerals I will be incensed. I would think fat fuck Donald would tell her to keep her skank ass at home. If he even knows where she is, that is.

[quote] Hunny Jimmy and Rosalynn probably have everything all planned out for their funeral including who will speak

The problem with their longstanding plans that is living by living to such ripe ages their preferred speakers may not be alive or well enough to speak.

R121, Ten years ago? You ignorant cunt.

Jimmy won't live long now. Just as my father, after my mother (the light of his life) died, he had nothing more to live for and died relatively soon after. Actually he died the day my mother died, it just took him a while to stop breathing.

R126, He’s such a smug little prick.

[quote]R18: Jimmy will be the only president people will be sad about dying.

Nearly the entire country collectively never got over the death of JFK.

[quote]R78: Almost 60 years after JFK’s death, there’s still only been one death of a Democratic president. An amazing fact.

What about LBJ? Or did you mean while in office?

What about FDR?

R132, R18 was talking about living presidents.

[quote]What about LBJ? Or did you mean while in office? What about FDR?

In the 60 years since Kennedy was killed, only one Democratic president has died, LBJ. FDR died before Kennedy was in office.

I need to correct myself. Two democratic presidents, Truman (12/72) & LBJ (1/73), not one, have died. But it's something that none have died in closing in on 51 years.

You learn very quickly that there is no handbook or rules to being First Lady. Technically, it’s not even an official position. And while there are spoken and unspoken expectations that provide some structure, the role is largely shaped by the passions and aspirations of the person holding it.

First Lady Rosalynn Carter understood that well.

Guided by her abiding faith and her commitment to service, Mrs. Carter used her platform in profoundly meaningful ways. Her groundbreaking work to combat the stigma faced by those struggling with their mental health brought light to so many suffering in silence. She advocated for better care for the elderly. She advanced women’s rights. And she remained a champion for those causes — and many others like building affordable housing for those in need and caring for our nation’s caregivers — in the more than four decades that followed.

When our family was in the White House, every so often, Rosalynn would join me for lunch, offering a few words of advice and always — always — a helping hand. She reminded me to make the role of First Lady my own, just like she did. I’ll always remain grateful for her support and her generosity.

Today, Barack and I join the world in celebrating the remarkable legacy of a First Lady, philanthropist, and advocate who dedicated her life to lifting up others. Her life is a reminder that no matter who we are, our legacies are best measured not in awards or accolades, but in the lives we touch. We send our thoughts and prayers to Jimmy and the entire Carter family during this difficult time.

I agree, R131. I'm team Patti in this yet another case of bad blood among republican presidential siblings.

The Trumps have spoken.

Mrs O r135 offered a slam dunk and a rebuke against low class thugs who have dominated our timelines for too long.

Told you I was hardcore!

Eye no do no crease must sheet.

Hahahahorseshit. Trump and the hooker didn't write those. Now let's not speak of him again.

I doubt any of the Trumps will be there. Jimmy has said publicly that he felt Donald Trump was illegitimate, that he was installed in the White House by Putin. Yes. He said it outloud in public.

Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Tricia Nixon Cox disagreed as to how their father’s legacy should be maintained after his death in 1994 and they did not speak for quite a while.

Currently, they will both attend a Nixon ceremony or tribute, but they keep their distance and are not photographed together.

R137, I'm surprised Melania didn't just Ctrl+C & Ctrl+V Michelle's tribute

Want to feel old? Hillary is now the only surviving American First Lady from the twentieth century.

R136, One can clearly feel the contempt Patti feels for her brother in the first few minutes of this 2016 interview.

Jimmy was right about Trump stealing the election. He's observed enough elections

Exactly, R147, and in addition Jimmy knew the Russian ways. He understood Putin better than any PResident who came after him.

R146, both Maria & her cousin Caroline attended Nancy's funeral.

Maria Shriver & Nancy Reagan were both former first ladies of California.

The thing about Rosalynn and Jimmy is that t hey did the work. They didn't pose, or mouth platitudes, or admonish people to "just say no!" or any other bullshit. They showed up and they did the work.

Did Rose A Lynn show poosy to nice man to get arranged marriage?

R145, Frances Cleveland was the last surviving 19th Century First Lady; she died in 1947.

Thanks for sharing, VOTN.

Even if Daddy and the Slovenian whore dont show up, I bet the Feckless Cunt, Jared, and maybe Junior (+ Gargoyle) will crash the funeral.

Hopefully Jimmy won't have to carry on too long without her.

R157, it seems she died at home. When they announced Friday, that she'd entered Hospice care they meant no more hospitals, just keep her comfortable. And that means Jimmy was probably with her when she passed. So they said their good byes, but I agree, I believe Jimmy will not be far behind. A matter of weeks at most.

MSNBC announces Mrs Carter's death

RIP pretty first lady - you man will meet you soon.

I think it had been some time since a US President or First Lady has died below the age of 90.

[quote]That cunt Melania had better not show up.

She'd be as nervous as a whore in church.

She'd BE a whore in church!

Jackie was 64 when she died in 1994, R161. And Pat Nixon was 81 when she died a year earlier.

So let me get this straight… Jimmy Carter’s daughter June married Van Johnson?

No, R165, it was his daughter Lynda. And she married Van Heflin.

Regarding what r59 wrote— Rosalynn did the White House tour with Nancy in 1980, but Nancy, true to form, acted like a cunt. From the Kitty Kelley book:

“The traditional tour of the White House for the future First Lady, conducted on November 20, 1980, had been especially uncomfortable for Rosalynn Carter, who was still smarting from her husband’s humiliating defeat.

“It was awkward, totally awkward,” recalled Mary Finch Hoyt, Mrs. Carter’s press secretary. “I felt so protective of Rosalynn at that point, having somebody just come into your house and open up your closets, which is exactly what happened. … After all, Mrs. Carter was still First Lady, and the White House was still her home.”

Another Carter aide was shocked to hear Mrs. Reagan say, “Where are the closets? Betty Ford says you’ve got some great closets around here. That’s what I’d like to see first. The closets.”

“Mrs. Carter was cordial,” continued Mary Hoyt, “but it was difficult for her, especially when she tried to describe the history of some of the rooms and all Nancy Reagan wanted to know about was the closet space. Mrs. Carter was quite shocked by that

. Later she said, ‘All she cared about was the closets. That’s all she cared about. Closets. Closets. Closets.’ I think that was the point where Rosalynn turned the tour over to the chief “usher, Rex Scouten, who finished escorting Mrs. Reagan through the state rooms.

Then Mrs. Reagan insisted on coming back two more times with her decorator, Ted Graber, to go over the floor plans and check out the closets again. They came once while the Carters were at Camp David.”

In briefing the press later, (press secretary ) Robin Orr said Mrs. Reagan had been shown everything “except for two of the kids’ rooms, which Mrs. Carter said weren’t tidy enough to be seen.”

Mamie Eisenhower was a cunt to Jackie on their tour. Jackie was recuperating from JFK Jr’s birth and was using a wheelchair at the time if she had to walk long distances. Jackie’s people asked for a wheelchair to be available in case it was needed. When Mamie heard, she refused to allow this and made Jackie walk the length of the White House with her.

Worried about closer spaces to fill with clothing she did not pay for.

Grift

The humiliating defeat was also a grift.

Worried about closet spaces to fill with clothing she did not pay for.

Grift

The humiliating defeat was also a grift.

I recall that Nancy also asked the Carters if they could move out of the White House, to Blair House, before the inauguration.

R164. Yes, so not for almost 30 years. Notably the two most recent deaths below 90 were of smokers.

Although Richard Nixon was not and he died shortly after his wife.

^ Interestingly - or not - the ten-month older Pat lived almost the exact number of days as Dick, with each dying at 81 years & 3+ months.

Fun fact: Nixon was so desperate to woo Pat that he used to drive her to dates with other men. Just another element of the general weirdness that comprised Richard Nixon.

He cried at her funeral, thus proving that he really did have a heart in there somewhere.

Interesting, both presidents Reagan and Ford went to Pat’s funeral. Reagan was no longer president by then, it was June 1993. I wonder if Dump will be invited to anyone’s funeral (ex-presidents and spouses). Maybe he’ll precede them and Melania will show up wearing a red dress.

Nixon was pissed that neither Clinton came to Pat’s funeral.

How old was Barbara Bush when she died, and when did George H.W.Bush die?

She finally did something about those age spots, r177.

R176, Nixon was especially angry that Hillary did not attend Pat’s funeral.

A sitting President flying across the country to attend a former First Lady’s funeral is a stretch, especially where I doubt they ever even met.

Both Clintons attended Jackie O’s funeral but Bill only went to the graveside service. It was in DC so presumably it wasn’t too far a stretch to travel to.

R172, Barbara died in April 2018 at 92. Her husband died later that year.

Eleanor Roosevelt had four Presidents at her 1962 funeral, and Jackie.

Funeral services have been announced.

[quote] Eleanor Roosevelt had four Presidents at her 1962 funeral, and Jackie.

People were more civilized back then, and had respect for the President and First Lady.

Nowdays, people are all trash.

The funeral plans are further away than I expected. Maybe to give Jimmy enough time to die, too, so they can have a joint funeral.

Traffic snarls in Atlanta. Be prepared. I might go over to the Carter Center and leave a nice little bouquet from TJ's but I'll do it this week, so when Rosalynn comes she will see all the beautiful flowers.

R182, Jackie, Lady Bird and Bess Truman were at Eleanor’s funeral, but no sign of Mamie Eisenhower.

[quote] I might go over to the Carter Center and leave a nice little bouquet from TJ's but I'll do it this week, so when Rosalynn comes she will see all the beautiful flowers.

Ummmm....

Rosalynn won't be "seeing" anything.

Because she's dead.

But it's nice of you to take flowers. Other people will be able to enjoy them.

R184, Eleanor Roosevelt would rank highly on a list of American Presidents, much less a list of First Ladies. One of the most influential American women in history, full stop.

Technically, only three, R182, as LBJ would have to wait another year before he became president.

[quote] no sign of Mamie Eisenhower

She was busy at Area 51, working with the aliens.

[quote]no sign of Mamie Eisenhower

She had to wash her bangs.

Do our non-US contributors - who may likely be bypassing this thread - shake their heads in disbelief in the interest Americans have in the families of their head of government?

You know, context is everything. When Eleanor was First Lady running all over the place and making speeches,, writing a newspaper column, it was completely unheard of, especially for a woman of her class. And she topped it off by being the first chairman of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights. I think the most consequential First Ladies were Abigail Adams, Eleanor Roosevelt, Jacqueline Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. Rosalynn made significant contributions too.

R185, Obviously, they wanted to wait until after Thanksgiving.

She’s being buried in her former back yard?

How tacky!

R195, they could have had her funeral Tuesday or Wednesday.

R194, I would place Lady Bird above Jackie in my ranking of consequential First Ladies.

R197, Too soon for those traveling to Georgia, especially this week.

How much longer will 95-year-old Ethel Kennedy be with us?

Yes, she was not a FLOTUS, but the media will treat her death as if she were.

I loved Ethel’s response to Tom Brokaw’s 20th assassination anniversary interview when he asked her why she had never remarried. “I had the best,” she said. The forever youthful Bobby would be 98 today were he still alive.

[quote]Do our non-US contributors - who may likely be bypassing this thread - shake their heads in disbelief in the interest Americans have in the families of their head of government?

Some people have an interest in historical figures, r193.

[quote]I loved Ethel’s response to Tom Brokaw’s 20th assassination anniversary interview when he asked her why she had never remarried. “Nobody asked” she said.

Fixed it for you

How ironic, Mrs. Lincoln, that our greatest president was married to you, perhaps our worst First Lady.

After Jimmy passes, I think the next former President to die will be George W. Bush. He really looks like shit these days. I think he never quit drinking and will die of cirrohis or pancreatic cancer. Unfortunately for the world, it should be Trump.

R205 I think

Carter

Trump

Biden

Clinton

W.

Obama

Another interesting fact is that Trump, W. & Clinton, in that order, were born in three successive months of 1946. And although the 1950s were the peak of the Baby Boom, it’s looking very likely that the decade will not produce a president. Like the 1930s & 1810s. The only decades not to produce a president following Washington’s 1730s representation.

Let’s arrange a one-way ticket to Tallahassee for Wendi.

^ Oops, wrong thread.

R194, I would add to that list Dolley Madison, who really created the uniquely unofficial position of First Lady and the concept of bipartisanship in our early government. She not only ran Washington during her husband’s time in office, she lived for a decade across the street from the White House and was the grand dame of Washington.

[quote] I would add to that list Dolley Madison

Me too!

I fucking love her desserts.

[quote] It was in DC

Actually a little outside of the District.

It is interacting to think that had Ethel become First Lady we would still have a living First Lady from1969.

[quote] And although the 1950s were the peak of the Baby Boom, it’s looking very likely that the decade will not produce a president.

Given that US presidential nominees are becoming more and more ancient, I wouldn't rule it out.

If Ethel had become First Lady she probably would have popped out 2-3 more kids while in the White House. She had just turned 40 when RFK died and she loved being pregnant.

R214, I thought Andrew Cuomo was a possibility, but that’s not going to happen. And there aren’t any serious candidates left in either party for ‘28 & beyond who were born in the ‘50s who are being mentioned.

I think after Carter dies, Clinton will be next. He looks pretty frail.

Andrew Cuomo would have been great. Sometimes I wonder if he was sabotaged by the Repukes.

R215, Ethel had her children via Caesarian, so they were cut out of her.

R218, Andrew was sabotaged by the State Democratic Party. LOL! They couldn't stand him. He was always a prick and when his father was alive he made a lot of enemies. He has a very unattractive personality, he is very arrogant and doesn't deal with the horse trading necessary to get things done. He was lucky he had COVID. It was similar to 9/11 making Rudy look good.

R219. I thought there was a limit to the number of caesareans you could have.

I think we need to expand our search. The media either overlooks Harris or makes fun of her. Determined to promote the impression "no one likes her" or that she is incompetent. I am not going to take the bait. And remember how they trashed Amy? Kamala is really is doing a very good job. I follow her on instagram and twitter and her husband too. I also follow Hillary, and the Bidens. I follow the Obamas. I follow Pete and Amy. If all you do is depend on the so called mainstream media you will not get anything resembling a decent perspective. The media is all about hype, promoting fear and division and controversies. Klobuchar is great, but we need her in the Senate and I hope to God Schumer steps aside in 2025 so she can assume a leadership role. Kamala and Elizabeth Warren together would make a great ticket. Right now we have to make sure Sherrod Brown gets re elected in Ohio. Ruben Gallegos in Arizona (He's primarying Sinema.) And Who ever replaces Feinstein. There's a couple more. Manchin. We have to keep that seat Democratic.

[quote](He's primarying Sinema.)

He doesn't have to primary her because she left the Democratic party.

R223. You're right. I forgot. Well, anyway he ought to win. And if she runs as a 3rd party candidate we may get the Squirrely Kari Lake Crazy Lady. So we have a lot of work to do. Let's also pray that Mitch McConnell does the right thing...and dies.

[quote]I’m bringing Bill with me to the funeral because I am not sitting next to Michelle.

Why not? You sat next to her at Betty Ford's memorial service just fine!

On that topic, Rosalynn Carter gave a speech at Betty's memorial (not her funeral) which used to be online in its entirety and it was quite beautiful. As many know in their post-Presidential years the Fords and the Carters developed a deep friendship. In her lovely, soft speaking voice Rosalynn ended her remarks about Betty Ford by simply saying, "It was my privilege to know her" and you wanted to cry, it was so simple and honest.

[quote] s many know in their post-Presidential years the Fords and the Carters developed a deep friendship.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Their mutual oathing of the Reagans brought them together.

I bet Rosalynn couldn't suck a cock like a professional!

R225

MARY!!

*sobs*

R221, That is usually true, but if the mother is in excellent physical condition and has a strong stomach wall, multiple Caesarians are not an issue.

R229. She did have 11, however. Seems her womb would just be a mass of incisions.

[quote]I fucking love her desserts.

Dolly Madison desserts must have been named after someone else, because the onetime first lady's first name is misspelled.

R230, From an Internet site . . .

“Deborah had done nursing training before her marriage so she read up all the books she could find, searching for information about Caesarean birth. "It seems to be there is a whole area that doctors just don't know about. That's why they try to make me afraid." One encouraging fact was that Ethel Kennedy had all of her 11 children by Caesarean.

By the time her seventh baby was born, Laser treatment was being used during the operation which speeded up the healing of her wound. "I bounced back and came home on the third day," she said.“

That funeral schedule might be the thing that finally takes Jimmy out.

R232. The idea that she had 11 caesareans seems to be an internet myth. Contemporary accounts report five, which is still quite a large number.

R234, Jackie had four Caesarian births.

“Kennedy's first pregnancy in 1955 ended in a miscarriage; she gave birth by cesarean to a stillborn daughter, Arabella, in 1956; Caroline was born via planned cesarean in 1957; and John Jr. was born via emergency cesarean in 1960. Patrick was born via cesarean in 1963. Her five pregnancies had resulted in only two living children.”

Please let me know if you want me to start a thread on Ethel and Jackie’s uteruses, and whether their fetuses were pushed out of their stretched out pussies or surgically removed. I am sure the dessicated old queens here are experts on birth canals and vaginas.

I know what jimmy’s mother thought about her uterus and what came out of it.

Fun fact-Miz Lillian’s uncle was Berry Gordy’s grandfather.

You type cunty, R236.

Thanks cunt at r239

R239. But he is amusing.

Here she is with mass murderer and war criminal George W. Bush:

Bette Davis interviews Rosalynn Carter @ 31:08.

Cesareans were sometimes used to prevent STIs being transmitted from mother to child during labor. Ethel and Jackie must have been riddled with diseases.

Miss Lillian delivered Rosalynn & all her siblings.

I didn't attend Mrs. Roosevelt's funeral because I needed a "me day" with my butler Roscoe.

Perhaps the funeral was on the same day that Mamie Eisenhower always set aside to inventory her supply of canned creamed spinach.

Will the Tyler grandson attend?

I don't think anyone loathed the Reagans more than Barbara Bush. And talk about how a VP has to be a good soldier,, you have to believe that Bush 41 was ten times smarter than Ronnie and had to grit his teeth many times.

Bar Busk loathed everyone. Bush Sr was a bit of a dim bulb.

Before I go to ladies funeral, show me farm where they grow penis.

Bar Bush was an old cunt!

Bar had a vagina full of teeth and razor blades.

Nancy could unhinge her jaw, like a python devouring prey. Her mouth could then open wide, like barn doors, and take in large objects, which is why she is the undefeated greatest Hollywood cocksucker of all time.

[quote]Bar Bush was an old cunt!

Which is why she's a DL icon.

[quote] Bush 41 was ten times smarter than Ronnie

Which means he had a grand total of ten brain cells

That Roxanne Carter! She’s a hoot!

When I said Bush 41, was 10 times smarter than Ronnie, I was not suggesting Bush was any kind of rocket scientist. LOL! And next time someone tries to talk to you about their concerns about Biden's age, please remind them that Reagan suffered from Alzheimer's and was shielded from exposure by the press, as much as by the White House. Many of them knew. I'd go bike riding with Joe any day. My enduring image of Trump is a picture of him boarding Air Force One with toilet paper trailing from his shoes. Trump's rants grow more violent and more vicious and threatening every single day. The rants of someone who is clearly unstable and disturbed. So I'm fine with Joe stumbling on a name now and then. Joe's slip ups are not indicative of anything. I'm in my 60's and I sometimes have problems remember the names of my nieces and nephews. All the shit about Biden being old is really not so veiled attacks on Kamala. The Republicans do not want to deal with her and they are very pissed off about the way she did them on Judiciary. She was fucking lethal.

R174 I read here on datalounge nixon was a wife beater

R258, I've read several books about Nixon, or his role in various messes, and I've also read he was abusive, not necessarily physically, but more like a psychological and emotional abuser. And a drunk. He and Pat were alcoholics. Another secret hidden from the public. You know, with all these former Trump aides coming forward talking about how dangerous he is and he shouldn't be POTUS, they always cite some incidents or situation in the WH where they alone prevented some major catastrophe. Now I don't doubt them, and I'll safely bet Trump's WH was even worse than described, but it made me think about these previous PResidents and how they had serious flaws that we never heard about.

I feel like we're all here at Rosalynn's wake, gossiping....

[quote] Bar Bush was an old cunt!

That old bitch had everybody's number, including her dipshit son Dubya. And that's why we love her at the DL.

Mrs. Carter's funeral(s) will begin on Monday the 27th. On Monday she'll lay in repose at Ga. Southwestern Univ. in Americus, Ga.. Then on Tuesday she will be taken to the Carter Presidential Center in Atlanta to lay in repose there with a funeral service held at Glenn Memorial Church on the campus of Emory University/Atlanta. She will then be returned to Plains for a 2nd funeral on Wednesday at their local church, with burial on the Carter family home grounds.

I wonder if Jimmy will be able to attend the Service? I'm going to say yes, he will be at their local Church in Plains. But I don't think he will make the rest of the journey. Although he might just go to the Carter Center briefly. I also wonder if Andrew Young will show up He is in his 90's now and in a wheel chair. May not be up to it, but he is certainly a very close friend. Jimmy appointed him Ambassador to the U.N. and he was a Congressman from Georgia before he was Mayor.

Jimmy stopped his cancer treatments, probably in an effort to let Rosalynn go first. That kind of love story is rare but knowing it happens gives this crusty old curmudgeon hope.

Who will deliver the eulogy at the service at Emory?

She and Jimmy will be buried under a willow tree on the family home property. The Carter's home sits on property that is managed by the federal government and will always be.

Not after I cut the budget for that! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

A charming Rosalynn talks to David Letterman & 14-year old Amy.

[quote]She and Jimmy will be buried under a willow tree on the family home property.

I suppose they thought a golf course wasn't good enough for them!

Amy Carter was the ugly daughter prior to the ugly daughter of Chelsea Clinton.

This neighbor friend from Plains says she cooked for them several times a month for years, and the other day Jimmy had some spaghetti after Rosalynn passed on. She cooked a big batch for the family and she'd be cooking Jimmy some bacon and eggs today. So it seems like, to me, Jimmy is able to eat solid foods etc. and his hospice decision is more one about not wanting to go to the hospital and get treated for anything, instead just stay home and be comfortable. Palliative care.

I wonder if Laura Bush, Hillary, and Michelle will be there. I expect Jill Biden to attend.

^Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes.

R272:

Laura Bush would consider it bad manners to not attend. She will avoid the spotlight and write the family a private handwritten note of condolences.

Hillary always goes because Rosalynn was a Democrat. Hillary likes to be seen in public, but won't make any public comments.

Michelle and Barack will go and probably draw a lot of attention. They can't help it. They will probably make public comments too.

I don't think Barack will come. Only Michelle. First ladies for the former First Ladies. It's only going to be a short time until they all have to gather for Jimmy. Al Gore was close to Jimmy. I have no idea whether there will be anyone from the Gore family. The cool people I was familiar with from his campaign and his administration are all dead. Hamilton Jordan, Jody Powell, Gerald Rafshoon.

R275 Michael Blumenthal is still around. He might be the last one besides Jimmy.

Cyrus Vance and James Schlesinger died a long time ago. Zbigniew Brzezinski died a few years ago.

Will either of the surviving Mondale kids be present?

I'm in Atlanta and thinking about going to the Carter Center on Tuesday. I honestly worry about covid tho after Thanksgiving get togethers. And I'll say it again. Rosalynn had amazing style. How in the hell did she manage to look timeless in the 70s? When you do see her in a really 70's outfit, it's a flattering look of a cool 70's trend.

[quote] Current first lady Jill Biden, as well as Vice President Kamala Harris and second gentleman Doug Emhoff, are also scheduled to travel to Atlanta for the services

Smart for Biden to go to Georgia.

Kamala, too.

The Carters were very decent people. We now live in a world where decency is scarce.

[quote] I bet Melania will go

Ivanka more likely.

[quote]I bet Melania will go

Not without her "I really don't care" jacket.

Theodore White, the chronicler of US presidential campaigns for decades through the 1980 election, wrote that there were only four candidates he covered he was sure were faithful to their wives. I can’t remember the fourth one, but the other three - I believe - were Harry Truman, George Romney & Jimmy Carter.

I was mistaken. There were not four faithful men, only the three I named:

"The acceptance of casual partners was a part of politicians’ lives, White wrote in his memoir. Among the scores of politicians he knew, he said he was reasonably certain that only three — Harry Truman, George Romney and Jimmy Carter — 'had denied themselves the pleasures' of extramarital liaisons."

^ There’s a lot of candidates in that era not mentioned that surprise me.

I can’t see Gerald Ford fooling around on Betty. Or Ronald Reagan, for that matter; I am pretty sure Nancy carried his cock and balls around in a Judith Lieber purse.

Yeah, R288, but White was obviously in a much better position to make that judgment.

R286, Who would want to stray when he had this at home?

Come keep me company, Rosalynn.

Of course, Donald Trump's rise predated Teddy White. Surely, White would have included Trump among the few faithful.

R292, Not to mention a certain former Governor of Arkansas.

Mitt, like his father, would surely have landed on White's list.

The details.

Bette Davis interviews Rosalynn Carter for the Dinah Shore Show (at 31:08):

R296 is a plagiarist.

It doesn't sound like Jimmy is in anything close to good shape but he plans on coming to the funeral.

R182 JFK not wearing an overcoat.

R257 You don't think Biden has been shielded by the press? I haven't seen mainstream media expose his feebleness the way independent media has. Where are the in-depth interviews with the tough, probing questions?

[quote] I haven't seen mainstream media expose his feebleness the way independent media has.

Please share some clips to the non partisan independent media you are referring to.

Btw ^^^: here is the highly respected Columbia Journalism Review out with a new report that says:

[quote] Political coverage at even the largest and most consequential newspapers consists almost exclusively of horse race reporting and campaign gossip. Actual issue and policy examinations were nearly nonexistent.”

[...]

[quote] We found that the Times and the Post shared significant overlap in their domestic politics coverage, offering little insight into policy. Both emphasized the horse race and campaign palace intrigue, stories that functioned more to entertain readers than to educate them on essential differences between political parties. The main point of contrast we found between the two papers was that, while the Post delved more into topics Democrats generally want to discuss—affirmative action, police reform, LGBTQ rights—the Times tended to focus on subjects important to Republicans—China, immigration, and crime.

The pic of JFK with Truman in R182’s link reminds of the great quote from Truman in 1960 about candidate JFK. The famously anti-Joe Kennedy made it clear that it wasn’t JFK’s Catholicism that troubled him. “It’s the pop, not the Pope,” Truman emphasized.

R299, Nor did he wear one on his Inauguration Day, when it was freezing cold.

Instead, he wore thermal long underwear..

Nancy had their master bedroom wallpapered with something out of a Hitchcock movie! Birds all over the bedroom walls. I don't know how they slept.

Jimmy will be in his wheelchair. Barring some unforeseen event, I doubt anyone would want to tell him he could not be at his wife's funeral.

If the pic from the summer parade is indicative of how he now looks, I think most will be shocked at his appearance.

[quote]Or Ronald Reagan, for that matter; I am pretty sure Nancy carried his cock and balls around in a Judith Lieber purse.

Supposedly he cheated on her while he was governor. He said something to the effect that wives always know.

[quote] Nor did he wear one on his Inauguration Day, when it was freezing cold. Instead, he wore thermal long underwear..

Now why didn't I think of that?

All the former First Ladies will be in attendance. Ali Velshi, filling in for Nicolle Wallace, reported at the end of the show that Laura, Michelle & Melania would be present. He did not include Hillary.

CBS is reporting both Clintons will be in attendance.

Even though Hillary was First Lady for 8 years, it feels like everyone thinks of her as a former Senator, Secretary of State or Presidential Candidate.

[quote]Even though Hillary was First Lady for 8 years, it feels like everyone thinks of her as a former Senator, Secretary of State or Presidential Candidate

Gee, I can't imagine why.

R313. None of those roles would lead to an automatic invitation to the funeral.

Never heard of her

I don't get your point, r314. She was all of those things...including First Lady. I don't know of anybody who has forgotten she was the latter.

The subject of Mrs. Carter’s death came up in a conversation I had with a woman who works for a family member. One thing led to another with her expressing her understanding that it was a requirement that a president be married. I said no, the Constitution only requires that you be at least 35 & a naturalized US citizen.

R316. The pont is that although those other positions are arguably greater accomplishments, you don’t get the kind of prominence from them that you get from being First Lady. In the long run, that is primarily what she will be remembered fur and why she received an automatic invitation to the ceremony.

R317 I thought you also had to be born in the United States, not a naturalized citizen. A naturalized citizen is one who was not born here but acquires citizenship.

Not so, R319. Both John McCain & George Romney were born outside the US to American parents.

“Look at that. Just enough seats for the legitimate wives.”

Melania should not be there. She never wanted to be Vairst Leddy and did next to nothing in the role, exceptdenounce Christmas and chop down Jackie O's rose garden. She has not participated in Turd's latest fake POTUS campaign donation grift. Her husband is a lying, cheating, thieving insurrectionist and election denier. And the Carter's hated them.

I hope someine throws a pie at her.

R320 et Al, from Wikipedia:

The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen" and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its exact meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional and legal scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. As to those born elsewhere who meet the legal requirements for birthright citizenship, the consensus emerging as of 2016 was that they also are natural-born citizens.[2][3][4]

It definitely is confusing, but I believe McCain and Romney were born in US territories, so they are considered natural-born citizens.

R323, Romney was born in Mexico to missionary Mormon Americans. McCain was born to an American military couple stationed outside the then-48 United States. But wherever he was born, he or someone similarly situated would be eligible to be president.

I remember when this came up about Governor Jennifer Granholm, and even earlier about Kissinger. Granholm was a favorite of Bidens when he was VP. He appointed her our Energy Secretary. But when she was governor of Michigan she was an up and coming Democratic star, and speculation rose asto her eligibility to run for POTUS. She was born in Canada to Canadian parents. She was Canadian until she became an American citizen. Same with Kissinger, back in the 70's, when he had his 5 minutes of popularity, the "swinging bachelor" who was a shameless self promoter.

Yes, Granholm, along with Schwarzenegger, would not be eligible.

Wow, the Robbs are both walking with canes.

^ I love seeing the past White House families at these gatherings.

Jonathan Alter is confirming why Jimmy went into hospice, to be present for Rosalynn. Not because he was especially near to death.

I need to go to MSNBC. Aside from the First Ladies and the two PResidents I didn't see any of the others. Fuck CNN.

Jimmy can't speak. I remember when that happened to my mother who was 91. It was just a couple of weeks until she finally decided to let go and slip away.

R330, I was on MSNBC, and I only saw the Robbs. I believe all the channels use the same feed, so you didn't miss anything..

I thought I saw Julie Nixon in the church Her hair was shoulder length, reddish blonde and she was wearing glasses.

I didn't see Julie. That would be a surprise since, as noted upthread, her sister has been the sole family representative for years.

R174 "He’s not that big but he knows how to satisfy a girl".

Her husband, the former POTUS who is very ill and in a decline showed up to the funeral to pay his respects to his late wife. Class. Act. I am so sorry to see them go.

My friend Julie is a major CUNT R334!

Julie & her husband endorsed Obama in ‘08,