I would say about 80% have a vocal affectation that makes their voices grating to the human ear. I find myself unintentionally ignoring them, even at work. This never happens with older women.
I hate the way young women speak
|by Anonymous||reply 78||November 20, 2023 10:20 PM|
What's the age cut-off?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||November 19, 2023 1:38 AM|
Age cut-off is 30.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||November 19, 2023 2:18 AM|
Vocal fry with upspeak. It makes them sound dumb as a box of rocks.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||November 19, 2023 2:23 AM|
Related - anyone who uses the word 'literally' is generally an idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||November 19, 2023 2:27 AM|
Earliest millennial is now 42 or 43, so that's my idea of the cutoff point.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||November 19, 2023 2:28 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 6||November 19, 2023 2:29 AM|
As with most heinous things, we can put the blame on one family.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||November 19, 2023 1:39 PM|
Howard on vocal fry.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||November 19, 2023 2:57 PM|
just get over it. the way that people speak is a function of their environment, they aren't hatching a plot to irritate you and it isn't evidence that they are stupid either.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||November 19, 2023 3:03 PM|
You mean American women, right? I cannot stand the California accent on younger women. The upspeak and vocal fry is insanely annoying and trashy.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||November 19, 2023 3:05 PM|
r9 Uses "literally" every other word and speaks with vocal fry - irritating all those around him.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||November 19, 2023 3:15 PM|
R11 No I don't. I'm right and you don't have an argument, you're just obsessed with your little pet peeve. Fuck you.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||November 19, 2023 3:17 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 13||November 19, 2023 3:27 PM|
Young women on NPR usually sound annoying. Like they all suffer from anhedonia. And that nervous chuckle when they are not sure whether humor is appropriate given the gravity of the situation…
|by Anonymous||reply 14||November 19, 2023 3:30 PM|
This is because your "interaction" with young women is through social media. In real life, they don't speak that way. Your social media habits color your perception of reality. A gullible person like yourself probably needs to stay off the Internet altogether.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||November 19, 2023 3:32 PM|
It's a known phenomenon that all the new speech affections are driven by, young white women, why we still can't find an answer, it's obvious some social thing. This was happening even before the Internet.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||November 19, 2023 3:35 PM|
Get defensive all you want but vocal fry and upspeak are irritating and make the people doing it sound stupid. I just turned off a documentary last night? because the young female reporter doing the sound bites had an interesting story? and was probably very intelligent? but was so obnoxious with the vocal fry and upspeak she ended up sounding like an airhead? For real? It’s not just on social media but also in professional settings.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||November 19, 2023 3:44 PM|
A million WW's for r17, were they mine to givvvvvvvvvve????
|by Anonymous||reply 18||November 19, 2023 3:55 PM|
r14, there is a young woman who sounds very, "urban"- she has gotten better, but it still irks me.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||November 19, 2023 3:58 PM|
R17, maybe they're all from Minnesota, ya know?
|by Anonymous||reply 20||November 19, 2023 4:25 PM|
R9 is like literally making me have a panic attack! i like can’t even right now! i’m like so over it!
|by Anonymous||reply 21||November 19, 2023 4:41 PM|
I've noticed a lot of Millennials and Gen Zers (of all genders), when ordering at a counter, will say "Can I have a ---?"
I don't know, can you have it? Why do they have to ask the barista for permission? Just tell them your order.
The vocal fry and upspeak adds to the irritation.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||November 19, 2023 4:48 PM|
When I encounter a group of 3 or more younger women, they all seem to talk at the same time. It’s always a cacophony akin to a crying toddler in a restaurant or a theater of any kind. I’m glad they are enjoying themselves, away from the drudgery where they must be forced to be mute for hours!
|by Anonymous||reply 23||November 19, 2023 5:00 PM|
The nasal tone is the worst.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||November 19, 2023 5:08 PM|
R23 go out to one of the local young hotspots (bar or restaurant) on a Friday night and it’s like a symphony of vocal fry. I’ve heard what you’re talking about, it’s like they’re all speaking at once but NOT processing the information that the other ones are saying, they seem so narcissistic like they really just care about talking to get their own thoughts out with no need to intake anyone else’s. Truly a horrible generation.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||November 19, 2023 5:10 PM|
Redundant use of the word “like” and prefacing a statement with the phrase “I don’t know” really bug me. It’s not just women that do it either.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||November 19, 2023 5:10 PM|
“I knooowwww, right?”
|by Anonymous||reply 27||November 19, 2023 5:12 PM|
It's like the Meowing Nuns and the trans craze which affects mostly young women. Women like to imitate other women. But that's because we're all robots so it makes sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||November 19, 2023 5:22 PM|
R3 Because maybe they ARE as dumb as a box of rocks?
I think a lot of the young girls sound nasal as well. They talk as if they want to give the impression they are little girls, I think they copy each other and to me it seems they are all under the impression they sound cute maybe. I've always admired the way Gene Tierney spoke in Laura.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||November 19, 2023 5:23 PM|
It has something to do with wanting to remain immature. The cute little girl dividend.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||November 19, 2023 5:25 PM|
r10 I notice young French women are speaking with this weird Lilo and Stitch voice. Other than that, foreign women are a relief.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||November 19, 2023 5:25 PM|
It's been downhill ever since CBS cancelled "What's My Line?".
|by Anonymous||reply 32||November 19, 2023 5:27 PM|
R12 is a tad sensitive after recognizing her own vocal fry
|by Anonymous||reply 33||November 19, 2023 5:56 PM|
R10 R31 I am in Germany a lot and young women there have their own version of this! It's horrible. So often one of these girls will be talking NON STOP while her friend(s) are just sitting there having to absorb all of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||November 19, 2023 5:58 PM|
As Seacrest gave us The Kardashians who in turn amplified and influenced a generation with their vocal fry, I think it's all Seacrest and PMK's fault.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||November 19, 2023 6:15 PM|
The Kardashians have really dumbed this country down the past couple decades.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||November 19, 2023 6:21 PM|
I always thought the vocal fry was women trying to be sexy sounding bedroomy and tired and like they just came up for a nightcap after clubbing all night.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||November 19, 2023 6:23 PM|
Upspeak, vocal fry, all of it drives me nuts. If it’s coming from a thirteen-year-old, I can deal. But like another poster said, it’s become commonplace on NPR. Don’t they hear how they sound? Aren’t they embarrassed?
I’m a huge fan of alternative radio. Listening to Columbia University’s station right now. DJ is guilty of all of the aforementioned vocal monstrosities.
But worse, she was talking about a record she played…
“It was released posthumously.”
She pronounced that pōst / HYOU / miss / ly!!!
Worse, she THEN said…
“I never know how to pronounce that word.”
So she KNEW she didn’t know the pronunciation but couldn’t be arsed to check.
Our nation’s finest young minds, indeed.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||November 19, 2023 6:30 PM|
This a perfect example of vocal fry.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||November 19, 2023 6:41 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 40||November 19, 2023 6:43 PM|
And what’s with the way young women are pronouncing THANK YOU as THINK KYA.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||November 19, 2023 6:50 PM|
[quote]Young women on NPR usually sound annoying.
"Hey, we're going to like talk to Robin DiAngelo right now. She's a white woman who's getting, like, fifty thousand bucks a pop to, like, talk to corporations about how, like, all of their white employees are evil."
|by Anonymous||reply 42||November 19, 2023 6:53 PM|
I hate the way gay men speak. They wish they could sound like young women.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||November 19, 2023 7:03 PM|
I didn't realize it's been an issue for so long? Here is Connie Chung blowing the lid off the story? Way back in 1994!?
|by Anonymous||reply 44||November 19, 2023 7:10 PM|
Connie, you old sarcastic bitch, uptalking at the end. I love it, you should be an honorary DLer.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||November 19, 2023 7:15 PM|
Does Chef John (Food Wishes) suffer from this vocal impairment? DL please analyze his vocal style and share your findings.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||November 19, 2023 7:16 PM|
R29, beautiful clip of Tierney--not only was her voice lovely in its smooth, lower register, but her whole demeanor--the way she carried herself, the self-control in her manner--all so worthy of admiration. Can you imagine any young woman like that in this day and age? And she was only in her early 20s at the time!
|by Anonymous||reply 47||November 19, 2023 7:39 PM|
Vocal fry and upspeak are two different affectations, and it seems to me that they rarely if ever go together, because it's difficult to maintain that fry in your voice when you're upspeaking.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||November 19, 2023 7:41 PM|
R46, I'm not hearing any vocal fry, upspeak, or any other problem in his voice. And I'm hypersensitive to voices. That's a nice, unaffected voice to my ear.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||November 19, 2023 7:43 PM|
R46, I would say that chef has something of a sing-songy voice and speech pattern, which is not unpleasant to me, but some people might find it annoying.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||November 19, 2023 7:57 PM|
Many women use both upspeak and vocal fry. Of the two, vocal fry is the more annoying. It gives me an uncomfortable feeling because I imagine the speaker is running of oxygen.
I’m not surprised by the Connie Chung report. Upspeak is several decades old and was a feature of Valley Girl speak.
I suppose people being born now won’t be irritated by either affects to. because it will be the normal way of speaking, but I don’t think I will ever get used to it.
Schools used to train these kinds of affectation out of their students, but I imagine that practice is too soul-crushing, anti-woman, etc. for these times.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||November 19, 2023 8:15 PM|
People, I give to you, the empress of all things vocal fry and upspeak......Christina!
|by Anonymous||reply 52||November 19, 2023 8:20 PM|
Whitney Rose on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City does this thing where she pronounces "feelings" like "fellings". She also speaks in a high pitched, little girl voice (which Mary Cosby has pointed out).
I don't know if this is a regional thing? Anyone from Salt Lake care to weigh in?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||November 19, 2023 8:20 PM|
I stumbled over this video by chance a few weeks ago, but I thought it was interesting. He makes some very good points.
The problem is not vocal fry, it's the sound symbolism of vocal fry, especially in relation to women speakers. Nobody bats an eye about men using vocal fry.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||November 19, 2023 8:21 PM|
I predict that it will be the normal way of speaking in the future, but it might go the way of the whispery voices of the 50s and 60s (e.g., Jacqueline Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe).
|by Anonymous||reply 55||November 19, 2023 8:21 PM|
r54 I've known some stoner guys that spoke with extreme vocal fry. It was pretty annoying.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||November 19, 2023 8:29 PM|
R47 I couldn’t put it better.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||November 20, 2023 12:58 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 58||November 20, 2023 1:40 AM|
It bothers me so much, why is it considered cool?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||November 20, 2023 4:16 AM|
Like why is this like a you know problem?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||November 20, 2023 4:48 AM|
Australians always sound like they're asking a question. Makes them sound less confident and sometimes I find myself not paying attention to what they're saying because I find this speech-habit distracting.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||November 20, 2023 5:33 AM|
Lots of Borderline Incest Survivor types do the trifecta to the extreme. The baby voice - upspeak - vocal fry trio. The baby voice is supposed to be pacifying to men, the upspeak has a passive-aggressive nature to it that signals the person is alert and on, the vocal fry deepens a woman’s voice making it froggy and more masculine to make her seem intimidating. Women who are nuts do it to keep others off kilter. “I’m a sewxy widdle girl! but I’m also a lionesssss!” vibe. Some people have affected it from simply hearing it, but others that go super deep into it are usually severely mentally disturbed, potentially psychopathic.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||November 20, 2023 5:55 AM|
80%, you say?
Where did you get that figure?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||November 20, 2023 6:05 AM|
I observe these horrors in 100% of women under 40, even 45 years old, and about 50% of men under 40, mainly the upspeak.
The very smart lawyer Ben Meiseles on The Meidas Touch Network Youtube channel has a combo of the most appalling speech habits and patterns I've ever heard. Plus, by his speech I can tell he is from Eastern Queens/Nassau County, so add in all the annoying weird New Yorkisms found here. I often stop listening because his terrible speech is so aggravating. His upspeak, especially when reading a document is brutal.
He and both of his brothers all say "be-KOSS" instead of "because" (a very Jewish thing), "foe-werd" instead of "foreword" and ALL words with "str" are pronounced "schtr", so "district" is "dischtrict" and "strong" is "schtrong". Like many people he substitutes "bolth" for "both". Ayyyiiieeee!
|by Anonymous||reply 64||November 20, 2023 6:54 AM|
In addition to vocal fry, I also can’t stand current newsreader voices. The over-enunciation of everything in a high pitched little girl voice is like nails on a blackboard.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||November 20, 2023 7:02 AM|
R65 it’s everywhere: documentaries, news, YouTube. I’ve turned off Dateline and some documentaries because it was so bad
|by Anonymous||reply 66||November 20, 2023 7:06 AM|
R62 Sounds like Britney.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||November 20, 2023 11:39 AM|
Idiots who use vocal fry (and it's not just women) think it makes them sound more powerful and impressive. They couldn't be more wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||November 20, 2023 11:54 AM|
Vocal fry, upspeak and baby talk are all horrible. But you know what's worse? A group of young women at a bottomless brunch. That's when high decibel shrieking is added to the mix and it is ear-splitting. It has a performative quality, as if all must know what a great time they are having.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||November 20, 2023 12:10 PM|
Thanks for that clip, R61. I'd never heard of that comedian before, but he's very funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||November 20, 2023 3:08 PM|
Agreed, R69. And of course, that doesn't only apply to bottomless brunch. I was recently at a Mexican restaurant in early evening during happy hour, and there was a table of shrieking women near me. Incredibly annoying, and yes, it does seem very performative.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||November 20, 2023 3:10 PM|
This reminds me of the “WOOO Girls” episode on How I met Your Mother.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||November 20, 2023 4:35 PM|
R62 some very interesting points.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||November 20, 2023 6:30 PM|
Ivanka Trump's Jan. 6th testimony tapes are some of the most lethal vocal fry I've heard in my life!
|by Anonymous||reply 74||November 20, 2023 7:44 PM|
I can't help but hold my S's sssss
|by Anonymous||reply 75||November 20, 2023 7:51 PM|
I swear it’s an incest survivor thing. These straight men need to leave their daughters alone.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 20, 2023 9:09 PM|
Just as " journalism" seems to no longer require grammar classes, so too do the countless cable and online programs no longer require voice and diction classes for their reporters and hosts. With society shifting to putting young women in every outlet ( they are less expensive), the result is this assault on the ears.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||November 20, 2023 9:55 PM|
aren't you a sour old thing, OP
|by Anonymous||reply 78||November 20, 2023 10:20 PM|