There's a new trailer for Mary & George, the upcoming miniseries about King James and his boytoy

Wow! I love Julianne Moore, seriously -- and this looks like one of her better projects.

I will eagerly await.

It'll either be really good or really bad - and not in a campy fun way.

Looks cheap. And her accent … oy vey.

This looks very fun.

Mary!

Not really into period shows, but I'll give this a go because of the gay content. Had no idea this was even in the works, Galitzine is killing it.

Scotland here. They always get Mary Stuart’s accent wrong. She was raised in France from the age of five, and considered herself a Frenchwoman. Saoirse Roman’s accent was the worst, absolutely hilarious.

Oh that looks GOOD.

Julianne Moore cannot do accents. Does NO one remember her travesty of a Boston accent on 30 Rock?

Director Oliver Hermanus made Beauty (2011) which I saw.

Also behind Living from last year, which Bill Nighy got raves for. And the upcoming The History of Sound with Mescal and O'Connor, and he's doing an Alexander McQueen biopic as well. Busy beaver, good for him.

The other two directors attached so far, Florian Cossen and Alex Winckler, are less known, but extremely cute.

Moore is a mix of English and Scottish so she’s a good look for the character. And she’s a great actress. Pity about the accent though.

Julianne Moore in a gay movie. What a surprise. She's always aweful.

[quote]aweful

Oh, dear.

AWFUL.

Be faster next time, bitch.

This looks amazing. What a crazy story. Nicholas Galatzine is such a great actor.

Iggy Pop! How HIP! Also Julianne has amazingly successful ageless plastic surgery.

R7. Mary Stuart is nowhere to be found in that clip…as she would have been long dead.

But you are correct that she spoke with a French accent.

Could be interesting, but isn't the more compelling story that he threw her mother under the bus at the end to secure his own place as the heir to the throne?

What and who are you talking about? ^

Can Nick ever play straight?

Is this the King James who wrote the bible?

The very same.

R19 Julianne is probably getting old school work, skin deep face-lifts, no botox. She has to actually be taking care of herself too, because I've seen her up close in person and for a 62 year old pale redhead her skin is incredible.

I've always thought she was very beautiful but is never really talked about as one of our most beautiful actresses?

[quote]for a 62 year old pale redhead her skin is incredible.

She has obviously stayed out of the sun!

I love Julianne. I hope she gets an Oscar nomination for Supporting for May December. She was excellent. But I can think of several roles where she deserved a nomination and got nothing—especially Magnolia.

Count us IN !

It looks fabulous. This is the perfect show for people like myself who avoided Fellow Travelers because it’s too self-serious.

[quote] Julianne Moore cannot do accents. Does NO one remember her travesty of a Boston accent on 30 Rock?

I can't say that I do.

[quote]because it’s too self-serious.

Gods forbid we had drama as a TV genre.

[quote]Is this the King James who wrote the bible?

No, he just had it translated. Apparently, god wrote it with a bunch of ghost writers doing the actual transcriptions.

I’m in it for Tony Curran.

Curran is a really good actor

The Duggars and their ilk adore the KKV, so I’m looking forward to their tuning in and getting a scorching eyeful of bum sex

Someone should tell Mike Johnson that this is an epic about the King James Bible to get him to tune in 🤣 😂

That was an incredible trailer. I am definitely in. This looks fun.

Yes, a film about sexual repression, political persecution of homosexuals, and AIDS should be played as high comedy!

It's either camptastic or a bunch of talented elderactors carry it off. First time I've ever seen Nicola Walker do a costume picture, so it's worth giving a look just for that.

This is my kind of trash--hot, historical, highbrow-ish. Like the Tudors and the then much hotter Henry Cavill.

Nicholas is really pushing the envelope isn't he? This movie looks very raw. I'm here for it.

Yes yes yes who is that pretty boy? They do rule the world, you know.

Looks like Nicky is topping.. for a change.

As a relative of his, I think it runs in the family to be truthful.

Looking forward to this Curran, Moore and Walker are all good actors. Nicholas is there for looks!

Nicholas Galitzine is a little minx, isn't he?

R46, not just looks, he's a pretty good actor, too.

I’m confused. That guy is the King of England. The King James as in the “King James Bible”, right?

And he’s a . . . Um, he enjoys . . . Um, he’s into guys?

Impossible.

[quote]I’m confused. That guy is the King of England. The King James as in the “King James Bible”, right?

He had the bible translated for purely political reasons, not spiritual ones.

It was to address issues with the puritans and position himself both as a political and spiritual leader - most likely because the puritans have a thing against buggery - as we continue to see with their descendents, at least in thought, the fundie nutbags

Nicholas Galitzine and Tony Curran while filming.

^ Fun couple. So Galitzine is buggering the King? Thought Villiers was a notorious bottom?

James I was "cock mad". He was Scot but his collection of pretty boys were called His Majesties Les Mignons (from mignon, French for "the darlings" or "the dainty ones"). Villiers was his choice filet Mignon.

I have a serious crush on Nicholas. I'm half a step away from becoming his internet stalker.

The Matt Damon Trolling is so fresh and funny, DL at its finest. Keep up the good work R49. Your comedy stylings really make a thread.

^ Those are cock sucking lips if every I saw them.

Nicholas is dreamy. Those lips....

Did Nicholas get that obnoxious mole removed?

NICOLA WALKER!!!!!!!!

I expect lots of gulps and bulging eyes and mid-sentence pauses from Our Nicola.

I hope she breaks the fourth wall like she does in Annika. Little asides about buggery and the politics of the day.

Well at least Nick won't need to bring a girlfriend to a public premiere.

Nicky's third gay role he will defiantly be growing a beard very very soon.

Bingo! Available, actress, attractive, has had experience dating homosexuals, works a mean peg.

Julianne Moore is not playing Mary Stuart. She's playing Mary Villiers, the mother of George Villiers, the last, most important, and most influential favorite of James VI/I.

Historians are still divided over whether their relationship was physical. I believe that stems from residual homophobia. There may not have been a semen-stained hose, but I believe James VI/Ihad a physical relationship with his last favorites, Robert Carr and George Villiers. His earlier ones were more likely based upon looking for a father figure in his first to boon companions with one or two exceptions.

This series will no doubt sex it up to appeal to contemporary tastes. They need not do so, because there's plenty of salacious details to make the story appealing without going overboard.

[quote] His earlier ones were more likely based upon looking for a father figure in his first to boon companions with one or two exceptions.

Whaaat?

R66, James VI's father was murdered a year after James' birth. He last saw his mother when he was two. As a child, his tutor, George Buchanan, taught him that his mother represented all that was wrong with Scotland. His first favorite was an older cousin, who paid attention to him and was rather cosmopolitan. James was around 13 at the time, and he was probably looking for a father figure. As James grew older, it was obvious that he was attracted to handsome, young men. Were the relationships sexual? Maybe. But there's no smoking gun (or semen stained hose or doublet). One of them was a Scottish noble who saved him from an assassination attempt. Some years after James succeeded Elizabeth to the English throne, Robert Carr, an attractive younger, Scottish noble who came to England with James in 1603, caught the king's attention. In all probability, they became lovers. This did not prevent James from writing that sodomy was the worst possible sin and not worthy of forgiveness. Carr gained considerable influence over James and over policy (and through Carr, a pro-Spanish faction). To curtail that influence, an anti-Spanish faction at the English court arranged a meeting between the king and a young, attractive, minor English noble...George Villiers. Carr fell from the king's favor because of his (and his wife's) involvement in the murder of a Svengali-like figure around Carr. Villers attained greater influence over James and policy than Carr ever had. I have no doubt they were lovers. As an historian, I cannot say that definitively because there is, as I wrote, no semen stained hose or doublet.

Camila Cabello? Seriously?

“Some years after James succeeded Elizabeth to the English throne, Robert Carr, an attractive younger, Scottish noble who came to England with James in 1603, caught the king's attention.”

So he came to London with James in 1603 but did not catch the king’s eye until some years later. Was that eye wonky?

Nicholas can leave semen stains on my socks anytime he wants!!!!!!

R8, that pic is from the time they worked in C'inderella' together. Nothing to see there.

Bitch face Julianne Moore is in it? No thank you.

Nick appears to be touching her, R71.

Does anyone else prefer Nick as a blond, as in RW&RB?

R69, Robert Carr came from a Scottish noble family who began his service at the Scottish court as a boy. It is unclear what his position was. After he came down from Scotland, Carr became one of the grooms of the bedchamber, one of a number of attendants in the inner sanctum of the court with close access to the king. He caught the king's eye a few years later in 1607, when he fell from his horse and broke his leg during a jousting tournament. He did not play a political role until after 1612. James never stood in the way of his favorites marrying. And Carr around 1613 becomes infatuated, begins an affair, and falls in love with Frances Howard, a great beauty but in an unhappy marriage to the 2nd earl of Essex. Her family sees its horizons brighten if she marries Carr, the king's favorite. All the while Carr has a friend, Thomas Overbury, who acts as Carr's point man/tutor/Svengali behind the scenes. James will do anything to please his favorite, and he helps to ram through an annulment of her marriage under questionable reasons (non consummation). Overbury is unhappy that his prospects grow dimmer when Carr falls under the influence of the Howards. The Howards want Overbury out of the way, so they get James to offer Overbury a position as his envoy to Muscovy. Overbury realizes he's being sidelined and refuses. James claps him in the Tower, where he dies several months later under mysterious circumstance. About a year later it comes to light he was poisoned, and it was Frances Howard who was behind it. It causes a huge scandal. It's at this juncture that a anti-Howard faction sought to undermine their influence on the king by engineering the meeting between the young, handsome George Villiers and James. The scandal leads to the fall and arrest of Carr and his wife (her for murder). They are found guilty and locked up in the Tower until a few years later when James exiles them to their estates.

This is the far more interesting tale worthy of dramatization. I'm sure this series will touch upon it. As for Villiers, he uses his position as favorite to enrich himself and his family.

I do, R74.

Between this movie and RW&RB, Nicholas has had more gay anal intercourse than me this year.

So a few years, not several. That makes some better sense.

That entire line of Stuarts were a bit off, though they tried to pretend otherwise.

Oh I very much agree about the Overbury affair, Bonnie Prince. I've been wishing for years somebody would do something with that whole story.

What a glam couple they must have been. Robert Carr, the beautiful boytoy of a king. But Frances Howard was on a whole other level. A Howard, first of all, but connected to Essexes (that ex-husband of hers was the son of the Essex who was Elizabeth's last great love), Walsinghams, Cecils, and everyone else who mattered. She was like the embodiment of the old Elizabethan ruling class. And then caught up in this whole weird story. Dragged into court, not for the traditional, normal Howard offenses of treason and royal adultery, but for poisoning some guy in the Tower? Sordid!

You don't have to have semen stained anything dear. We have the letters James wrote to Villlers calling him his WIFE. Don't give me this disingenuous revisionist rot that " well that's the way heterosexual men wrote to each other back in the day." No they don't and no they didn't and all their contemporaries knew they were buggers. The end.

[quote] It'll either be really good or really bad - and not in a campy fun way.

That trailer is pure camp.

His wife? Wait a second . . .

It is pure camp and that's why it looks like incredible fun. Everything teenagers online call camp today is just bad and tacky - a totally different thing - this looks entertaining.

Dylan Brady will play Robert Carr in Mary & George

Jesus talk about "cock sucking lips".

King James and his mignons.

R69/ R85 Robert Carr, an attractive younger, Scottish noble who came to England with James in 1603, caught the king's attention.”

Have heard of 'Black Irish" but not 'Black Scot.

Glad they didn't go with the wig and goatee . Contemporary look is best on Nicky.

Is Nicholas Galitzine getting typecasted or what?

Just casted.

^ No doubt her next role will be as a WWF wrestler pussy hound in a bad wig.

LOL - I never made the connection between "mignon" and "minion" until this thread. They had both occupied completely separate places in my brain, so the derivation of the latter from the former never crossed my mind.

[quote] LOL

LoL! :)

Tony Curran, Laurie Davidson, and Nicholas Galitzine on location at Knole House in Sevenoaks, UK while filming . Looks like it was a nude scene as they are wearing warming wrappers between takes.

^ "location at Hole House

Nikita pursing those cock sucking lips.