Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?

Why aren’t more young women into Clara Bow?

Why aren't more young women into Ellen Terry?

Young women of today have moved on to the Dorothy Provines...

....the Cara Williams

They hate spunk.

R5 only the lesbians

R1 She was a silent film star, it’s understandable she won’t resonate that much. The Mary Tyler Moore show was in the 70s.

R7, my point was that for young people 50 years ago might as well be 100 years ago.

OP, you're shooting for irony here, right? FFS, Mary was a skinny white Protestant who apologized to furniture she bumped into. I love her and have all 7 seasons on DVD, but I was born on the 60s.

R9 Nah I think it’s a valid question. I watched the documentary about her and it was emphasized how much young women admired her and the barriers she broke.

CLASS

MTM stan, it was 50 yrs ago. If you don’t understand “why” you just wanted to start a MTM thread. OR you’re stupid AF.

Why aren't more women in Madame Curie?

The show ended 45 years ago, OP. There have been several generations of female TV characters since.

Because young women today are clueless and worship the Kartrashian's instead.

Young women are into Taylor Swift now.

OP, you sound very old and entitled, expecting the world to stay the same as when you were young.

Not as liberated as they would want

Why aren't more young women into Colleen Moore?

I'm willing to guess far more young women know who Lucille Ball than know who Mary Tyler Moore is.

R9 In real life Mary was a Brooklyn Irish Catholic.

Why aren’t more women inside of me?

More women are into Marjorie Maines

But for real why aren't more young women into Lillian Gish?

I think it must be the name, OP. No one seems to care much about Mary Pickford either today.

Why aren't more young women into Eve?

I don't care what they say about us anyway

I don't care about that

OP, gay men are into Mary Tyler Moore.

[quote]....young women admired her and the barriers she broke.

They love to rewrite history.

Ann Sothern as Katie (never married) had her own office (and her own secretary) and took shit from no one.

Watch her explain to Lucy about marriage.

To me it seems odd that more young women aren't into Marion Lorne.

The Lorne period petered out a decade ago, r30.

Mary was an outspoken supporter of Hamas. Phyllis ran the cabal in San Francisco.

🙄

Face it, OP, sometimes you're a Rhoda.

What about Reta Shaw?

[quote] [R9] In real life Mary was a Brooklyn Irish Catholic

No she wasn’t. She had a little Irish ancestry and a little German, but she was first and foremost a WASP.

R20, I was going to say the same thing. Lucy has longevity that is remarkable.

Buff Cobb is DEAD to me...

Buck never would have called into question MTM's enduring popularity.

Ann Sothern had roommates on her show and tried to sell herself as a femme fatale "all the boys love Katy" or some such nonsense in her theme song, despite her fat ass. MTM was not man crazy, didn't have a regular boyfriend and occasionally spent the night with a date, something Sothern couldn't do.

Why isn't Mitzi still headlining at Caesar's Palace?

You'd have to ask Mitzi, r40. We've been estranged since '72.

Why aren't more young women talking about Zazu Pitts?

Do they still have Eve Harrington Clubs at most of the girls' high schools?

Why should they be, OP?

[quote] but I was born on the 60s.

New Yorker?

I went as Jeanne Eagels for Halloween this year.

Because she looks old to them.

I loved MTM...great show...

But MTM looks old to young women today.

The miserable-old-blind-woman thing is a bit of a turn-off for tweeners.

MARY!

Because they all like to sing "Tell Aunt Rhoda...."

Go Tell Aunt Rhoda, Mary is a bitch. . .

R29: It's funny how Sothern looks trimmer in the opening sequence than in the show. They must have put here in one industrial strength girdle for that sequence.

[quote]Ann Sothern had roommates on her show and tried to sell herself as a femme fatale "all the boys love Katy" or some such nonsense in her theme song, despite her fat ass. MTM was not man crazy, didn't have a regular boyfriend and occasionally spent the night with a date, something Sothern couldn't do.

MTM was a coffee serving airplane stewardess compared to Sothern and Eve Arden (Our Miss Brooks).

MTM grew into her role as producer, which was new for women. Arden was in a typically female profession and Sothern's first show had her as a secretary and she could only connive to have authority in the other one.

When did young women stop taking fashion cues from wavishing Kay Fwancis?

It's shocking that a great star like Minnie Maddern Fiske has been so forgotten by today's young women.

I don't understand why more women don't look to Barbara Bel Geddes as a mother figure.

Why aren’t more women into Colleen Moore’s doll house?

Mary Tyler who???

[quote]Mary Tyler who???

She's obviously David Tyler Muir's mother.

[quote]Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?

LOL!

A 1970s sitcom? That’s my answer. Old movies are one thing- sitcoms and other serial TV shows are pretty much only of their day.

The influences in my youth were Viveca Lindfors...Mimsy Farmer....

[quote] Mary Tyler who???

- signed, everyone under 40

Given Mary, Rhoda, Phyllis, Lou, Murray and Ted are all dead, what would they be into?

Because young women today don't turn the world on with their smile.

F U R65

Women were more into Carrie Bradshaw.

Mary Tyler Moore is yesterday.

Today’s youth have moved on to

Today's youth want to see their peers on screen. They are into people who are their own age like Catherine Zeta Jones.

R35 Moore was born on December 29, 1936, in the Brooklyn Heights neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York City, New York, to Marjorie (née Hackett) and George Tyler Moore. Her father was a clerk. Her Irish-Catholic family lived in Brooklyn's Flatbush neighborhood

She was raised Catholic and attended St. Rose of Lima Parochial School in Brooklyn until the third grade. In Los Angeles, Moore attended Saint Ambrose School and Immaculate Heart High School in the Los Feliz neighborhood of the city.

Give it a fucking rest you fossils

[Quote] Give it a fucking rest you fossils

INCELs are always so angry!

A little off topic but looking at that video at R29, Ann was actually much prettier than Lucy there but had kind of an annoying voice. Lucy looks a bit haggard.

Because the vast majority of people only watch media made in their lifetime. Murphy brown came later but honestly more forgot despite a failed reboot a few years ago.

[quote]Murphy brown came later but honestly more forgot

Oh, dear.

Young women may have watched the show when it first came on, it was a popular show, but she was never any kind of icon to them. There were lots of sitcom career women before her, including one in MTM’s previous sitcom. And after the first season, Mary looked positively middle aged.

Women have more choices now but also the same setbacks too. Abortion, equal pay, motherhood etc: there isn't a populist TV show representing today's modern woman ATM. It seems most media is about gender issues, inclusivity and racially charged topics. American free to TV is stagnant, and streaming and cable are too. Social media is where everybody is but you have to wade through a lot of dreck, to find someone of note and influence.

Believe it or not, Kim Kardashian is today's MTM.

[quote]Believe it or not, Kim Kardashian is today's MTM.

Marvin the Martian?

It may just be that it's not in syndication/reruns as much as other classic tv shows are. Still having cable, I rarely come across it. Other classic shows are on several channels at a time. It may just be that it's not out there and as readily available to watch for younger people vs other shows.

Oprah knows the score.

R82, great clip. Even in that atmosphere of effusive Oprah emoting, you can see and hear what a chilly bitch MTM was. I say this as a huge Mary fan. She was a cold fish.

Mary gleefully laughs at Oprah’s tears - -

R84, as she should. Who cries over a sitcom?

Who laughs when a clown dies?

R82 Oh please, Oprah. That was so staged.

R75: Sothern had nicer features and expanding ass and waistline aside, was more traditionally attractive. She also was a better actress and could sing. She was never going to carry an A-list film but never seemed bitter about her career the way that Lucy was. Ball turned out to be fine for a formulaic sitcom, but apparently thought she could be a lot more. She was probably a bit like her friend Ginger Rogers, who wanted to be more than a chorus girl but really wasn’t.

Because I ate them all: They’re all inside of me!

Ann Sothern was beautiful but by the 1970s she looked a lot like Devine.

...ahem

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[quote]Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?

I was always much more into Joyce Bulifant.

Actually, r92, this thread is sponsored by Florient...

R92 R94 you're both wrong. It's sponsored by Sweet Fish Fighting crotch rot one pussy at a time

Because Vivian Vance.