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Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?

She was very popular with young women during her time, but I don’t think she resonates as much with young women today. I could be wrong.

by Anonymousreply 96November 22, 2023 11:48 PM

Why aren’t more young women into Clara Bow?

by Anonymousreply 1November 17, 2023 12:44 AM

Why aren't more young women into Ellen Terry?

by Anonymousreply 2November 17, 2023 12:45 AM

Young women of today have moved on to the Dorothy Provines...

by Anonymousreply 3November 17, 2023 12:48 AM

....the Cara Williams

by Anonymousreply 4November 17, 2023 12:50 AM

They hate spunk.

by Anonymousreply 5November 17, 2023 12:50 AM

R5 only the lesbians

by Anonymousreply 6November 17, 2023 12:55 AM

R1 She was a silent film star, it’s understandable she won’t resonate that much. The Mary Tyler Moore show was in the 70s.

by Anonymousreply 7November 17, 2023 12:57 AM

R7, my point was that for young people 50 years ago might as well be 100 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 8November 17, 2023 1:01 AM

OP, you're shooting for irony here, right? FFS, Mary was a skinny white Protestant who apologized to furniture she bumped into. I love her and have all 7 seasons on DVD, but I was born on the 60s.

by Anonymousreply 9November 17, 2023 1:08 AM

R9 Nah I think it’s a valid question. I watched the documentary about her and it was emphasized how much young women admired her and the barriers she broke.

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by Anonymousreply 11November 17, 2023 1:19 AM

MTM stan, it was 50 yrs ago. If you don’t understand “why” you just wanted to start a MTM thread. OR you’re stupid AF.

by Anonymousreply 12November 17, 2023 1:24 AM

Why aren't more women in Madame Curie?

by Anonymousreply 13November 17, 2023 1:26 AM

The show ended 45 years ago, OP. There have been several generations of female TV characters since.

by Anonymousreply 14November 17, 2023 1:28 AM

Because young women today are clueless and worship the Kartrashian's instead.

by Anonymousreply 15November 17, 2023 1:29 AM

Young women are into Taylor Swift now.

by Anonymousreply 16November 17, 2023 1:31 AM

OP, you sound very old and entitled, expecting the world to stay the same as when you were young.

by Anonymousreply 17November 17, 2023 1:33 AM

Not as liberated as they would want

by Anonymousreply 18November 17, 2023 1:36 AM

Why aren't more young women into Colleen Moore?

by Anonymousreply 19November 17, 2023 1:37 AM

I'm willing to guess far more young women know who Lucille Ball than know who Mary Tyler Moore is.

by Anonymousreply 20November 17, 2023 1:39 AM

R9 In real life Mary was a Brooklyn Irish Catholic.

by Anonymousreply 21November 17, 2023 1:44 AM

Why aren’t more women inside of me?

by Anonymousreply 22November 17, 2023 2:00 AM

More women are into Marjorie Maines

by Anonymousreply 23November 17, 2023 2:20 AM

But for real why aren't more young women into Lillian Gish?

by Anonymousreply 24November 17, 2023 2:23 AM

I think it must be the name, OP. No one seems to care much about Mary Pickford either today.

by Anonymousreply 25November 17, 2023 2:26 AM

Why aren't more young women into Eve?

by Anonymousreply 26November 17, 2023 2:26 AM

I don't care what they say about us anyway

I don't care about that

by Anonymousreply 27November 17, 2023 2:28 AM

OP, gay men are into Mary Tyler Moore.

by Anonymousreply 28November 17, 2023 2:32 AM

[quote]....young women admired her and the barriers she broke.

They love to rewrite history.

Ann Sothern as Katie (never married) had her own office (and her own secretary) and took shit from no one.

Watch her explain to Lucy about marriage.

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by Anonymousreply 29November 17, 2023 2:34 AM

To me it seems odd that more young women aren't into Marion Lorne.

by Anonymousreply 30November 17, 2023 2:36 AM

The Lorne period petered out a decade ago, r30.

by Anonymousreply 31November 17, 2023 2:47 AM

Mary was an outspoken supporter of Hamas. Phyllis ran the cabal in San Francisco.


by Anonymousreply 32November 17, 2023 2:50 AM

Face it, OP, sometimes you're a Rhoda.

by Anonymousreply 33November 17, 2023 2:52 AM

What about Reta Shaw?

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by Anonymousreply 34November 17, 2023 2:52 AM

[quote] [R9] In real life Mary was a Brooklyn Irish Catholic

No she wasn’t. She had a little Irish ancestry and a little German, but she was first and foremost a WASP.

by Anonymousreply 35November 17, 2023 3:07 AM

R20, I was going to say the same thing. Lucy has longevity that is remarkable.

by Anonymousreply 36November 17, 2023 3:19 AM

Buff Cobb is DEAD to me...

by Anonymousreply 37November 17, 2023 3:24 AM

Buck never would have called into question MTM's enduring popularity.

by Anonymousreply 38November 17, 2023 3:31 AM

Ann Sothern had roommates on her show and tried to sell herself as a femme fatale "all the boys love Katy" or some such nonsense in her theme song, despite her fat ass. MTM was not man crazy, didn't have a regular boyfriend and occasionally spent the night with a date, something Sothern couldn't do.

by Anonymousreply 39November 17, 2023 4:17 AM

Why isn't Mitzi still headlining at Caesar's Palace?

by Anonymousreply 40November 17, 2023 4:22 AM

You'd have to ask Mitzi, r40. We've been estranged since '72.

by Anonymousreply 41November 17, 2023 4:34 AM

Why aren't more young women talking about Zazu Pitts?

by Anonymousreply 42November 17, 2023 10:02 AM

Do they still have Eve Harrington Clubs at most of the girls' high schools?

by Anonymousreply 43November 17, 2023 12:22 PM

Why should they be, OP?

by Anonymousreply 44November 17, 2023 12:28 PM

[quote] but I was born on the 60s.

New Yorker?

by Anonymousreply 45November 17, 2023 12:30 PM

I went as Jeanne Eagels for Halloween this year.

by Anonymousreply 46November 17, 2023 12:32 PM

Because she looks old to them.

I loved MTM...great show...

But MTM looks old to young women today.

by Anonymousreply 47November 17, 2023 12:35 PM

The miserable-old-blind-woman thing is a bit of a turn-off for tweeners.

by Anonymousreply 48November 17, 2023 12:53 PM


by Anonymousreply 49November 17, 2023 1:05 PM

Because they all like to sing "Tell Aunt Rhoda...."

by Anonymousreply 50November 17, 2023 1:21 PM

Go Tell Aunt Rhoda, Mary is a bitch. . .

by Anonymousreply 51November 17, 2023 1:42 PM

R29: It's funny how Sothern looks trimmer in the opening sequence than in the show. They must have put here in one industrial strength girdle for that sequence.

by Anonymousreply 52November 17, 2023 1:45 PM

[quote]Ann Sothern had roommates on her show and tried to sell herself as a femme fatale "all the boys love Katy" or some such nonsense in her theme song, despite her fat ass. MTM was not man crazy, didn't have a regular boyfriend and occasionally spent the night with a date, something Sothern couldn't do.

MTM was a coffee serving airplane stewardess compared to Sothern and Eve Arden (Our Miss Brooks).

by Anonymousreply 53November 17, 2023 4:00 PM

MTM grew into her role as producer, which was new for women. Arden was in a typically female profession and Sothern's first show had her as a secretary and she could only connive to have authority in the other one.

by Anonymousreply 54November 17, 2023 4:44 PM

When did young women stop taking fashion cues from wavishing Kay Fwancis?

by Anonymousreply 55November 17, 2023 5:29 PM

It's shocking that a great star like Minnie Maddern Fiske has been so forgotten by today's young women.

by Anonymousreply 56November 17, 2023 5:33 PM

I don't understand why more women don't look to Barbara Bel Geddes as a mother figure.

by Anonymousreply 57November 17, 2023 5:58 PM

Why aren’t more women into Colleen Moore’s doll house?

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by Anonymousreply 58November 17, 2023 10:06 PM

Mary Tyler who???

by Anonymousreply 59November 17, 2023 10:17 PM

[quote]Mary Tyler who???

She's obviously David Tyler Muir's mother.

by Anonymousreply 60November 18, 2023 12:47 AM

[quote]Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?


by Anonymousreply 61November 18, 2023 1:00 AM

A 1970s sitcom? That’s my answer. Old movies are one thing- sitcoms and other serial TV shows are pretty much only of their day.

by Anonymousreply 62November 18, 2023 1:12 AM

The influences in my youth were Viveca Lindfors...Mimsy Farmer....

by Anonymousreply 63November 18, 2023 1:14 AM

[quote] Mary Tyler who???

- signed, everyone under 40

by Anonymousreply 64November 18, 2023 1:31 AM

Given Mary, Rhoda, Phyllis, Lou, Murray and Ted are all dead, what would they be into?

by Anonymousreply 65November 18, 2023 1:44 AM

Because young women today don't turn the world on with their smile.

by Anonymousreply 66November 18, 2023 2:24 AM

F U R65

by Anonymousreply 67November 18, 2023 2:33 AM

Women were more into Carrie Bradshaw.

by Anonymousreply 68November 18, 2023 2:42 AM

Mary Tyler Moore is yesterday.

Today’s youth have moved on to

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by Anonymousreply 69November 18, 2023 8:24 AM

Today's youth want to see their peers on screen. They are into people who are their own age like Catherine Zeta Jones.

by Anonymousreply 70November 19, 2023 12:03 AM

R35 Moore was born on December 29, 1936, in the Brooklyn Heights neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York City, New York, to Marjorie (née Hackett) and George Tyler Moore. Her father was a clerk. Her Irish-Catholic family lived in Brooklyn's Flatbush neighborhood

She was raised Catholic and attended St. Rose of Lima Parochial School in Brooklyn until the third grade. In Los Angeles, Moore attended Saint Ambrose School and Immaculate Heart High School in the Los Feliz neighborhood of the city.

by Anonymousreply 71November 19, 2023 12:42 AM

Give it a fucking rest you fossils

by Anonymousreply 72November 19, 2023 12:44 AM
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by Anonymousreply 73November 19, 2023 12:56 AM

[Quote] Give it a fucking rest you fossils

INCELs are always so angry!

by Anonymousreply 74November 19, 2023 1:36 AM

A little off topic but looking at that video at R29, Ann was actually much prettier than Lucy there but had kind of an annoying voice. Lucy looks a bit haggard.

by Anonymousreply 75November 19, 2023 1:56 AM

Because the vast majority of people only watch media made in their lifetime. Murphy brown came later but honestly more forgot despite a failed reboot a few years ago.

by Anonymousreply 76November 19, 2023 3:10 AM

[quote]Murphy brown came later but honestly more forgot

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 77November 19, 2023 3:14 AM

Young women may have watched the show when it first came on, it was a popular show, but she was never any kind of icon to them. There were lots of sitcom career women before her, including one in MTM’s previous sitcom. And after the first season, Mary looked positively middle aged.

by Anonymousreply 78November 19, 2023 3:24 AM

Women have more choices now but also the same setbacks too. Abortion, equal pay, motherhood etc: there isn't a populist TV show representing today's modern woman ATM. It seems most media is about gender issues, inclusivity and racially charged topics. American free to TV is stagnant, and streaming and cable are too. Social media is where everybody is but you have to wade through a lot of dreck, to find someone of note and influence.

Believe it or not, Kim Kardashian is today's MTM.

by Anonymousreply 79November 19, 2023 4:30 AM

[quote]Believe it or not, Kim Kardashian is today's MTM.

Marvin the Martian?

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by Anonymousreply 80November 19, 2023 5:31 AM

It may just be that it's not in syndication/reruns as much as other classic tv shows are. Still having cable, I rarely come across it. Other classic shows are on several channels at a time. It may just be that it's not out there and as readily available to watch for younger people vs other shows.

by Anonymousreply 81November 19, 2023 5:48 AM

Oprah knows the score.

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by Anonymousreply 82November 19, 2023 5:50 AM

R82, great clip. Even in that atmosphere of effusive Oprah emoting, you can see and hear what a chilly bitch MTM was. I say this as a huge Mary fan. She was a cold fish.

by Anonymousreply 83November 19, 2023 8:25 PM

Mary gleefully laughs at Oprah’s tears - -

by Anonymousreply 84November 19, 2023 8:31 PM

R84, as she should. Who cries over a sitcom?

by Anonymousreply 85November 19, 2023 8:32 PM

Who laughs when a clown dies?

by Anonymousreply 86November 19, 2023 8:57 PM

R82 Oh please, Oprah. That was so staged.

by Anonymousreply 87November 19, 2023 9:24 PM

R75: Sothern had nicer features and expanding ass and waistline aside, was more traditionally attractive. She also was a better actress and could sing. She was never going to carry an A-list film but never seemed bitter about her career the way that Lucy was. Ball turned out to be fine for a formulaic sitcom, but apparently thought she could be a lot more. She was probably a bit like her friend Ginger Rogers, who wanted to be more than a chorus girl but really wasn’t.

by Anonymousreply 88November 20, 2023 11:04 PM

Because I ate them all: They’re all inside of me!

by Anonymousreply 89November 21, 2023 1:42 AM

Ann Sothern was beautiful but by the 1970s she looked a lot like Devine.

by Anonymousreply 90November 21, 2023 2:14 AM


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by Anonymousreply 92November 21, 2023 2:43 AM

[quote]Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?

I was always much more into Joyce Bulifant.

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by Anonymousreply 95November 21, 2023 10:54 PM

Because Vivian Vance.

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