She was very popular with young women during her time, but I don’t think she resonates as much with young women today. I could be wrong.
Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?
|by Anonymous||reply 96||November 22, 2023 11:48 PM|
Why aren’t more young women into Clara Bow?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||November 17, 2023 12:44 AM|
Why aren't more young women into Ellen Terry?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||November 17, 2023 12:45 AM|
Young women of today have moved on to the Dorothy Provines...
|by Anonymous||reply 3||November 17, 2023 12:48 AM|
....the Cara Williams
|by Anonymous||reply 4||November 17, 2023 12:50 AM|
They hate spunk.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||November 17, 2023 12:50 AM|
R5 only the lesbians
|by Anonymous||reply 6||November 17, 2023 12:55 AM|
R1 She was a silent film star, it’s understandable she won’t resonate that much. The Mary Tyler Moore show was in the 70s.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||November 17, 2023 12:57 AM|
R7, my point was that for young people 50 years ago might as well be 100 years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||November 17, 2023 1:01 AM|
OP, you're shooting for irony here, right? FFS, Mary was a skinny white Protestant who apologized to furniture she bumped into. I love her and have all 7 seasons on DVD, but I was born on the 60s.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||November 17, 2023 1:08 AM|
R9 Nah I think it’s a valid question. I watched the documentary about her and it was emphasized how much young women admired her and the barriers she broke.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||November 17, 2023 1:12 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 11||November 17, 2023 1:19 AM|
MTM stan, it was 50 yrs ago. If you don’t understand “why” you just wanted to start a MTM thread. OR you’re stupid AF.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||November 17, 2023 1:24 AM|
Why aren't more women in Madame Curie?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||November 17, 2023 1:26 AM|
The show ended 45 years ago, OP. There have been several generations of female TV characters since.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||November 17, 2023 1:28 AM|
Because young women today are clueless and worship the Kartrashian's instead.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||November 17, 2023 1:29 AM|
Young women are into Taylor Swift now.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||November 17, 2023 1:31 AM|
OP, you sound very old and entitled, expecting the world to stay the same as when you were young.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||November 17, 2023 1:33 AM|
Not as liberated as they would want
|by Anonymous||reply 18||November 17, 2023 1:36 AM|
Why aren't more young women into Colleen Moore?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||November 17, 2023 1:37 AM|
I'm willing to guess far more young women know who Lucille Ball than know who Mary Tyler Moore is.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||November 17, 2023 1:39 AM|
R9 In real life Mary was a Brooklyn Irish Catholic.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||November 17, 2023 1:44 AM|
Why aren’t more women inside of me?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||November 17, 2023 2:00 AM|
More women are into Marjorie Maines
|by Anonymous||reply 23||November 17, 2023 2:20 AM|
But for real why aren't more young women into Lillian Gish?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||November 17, 2023 2:23 AM|
I think it must be the name, OP. No one seems to care much about Mary Pickford either today.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||November 17, 2023 2:26 AM|
Why aren't more young women into Eve?
|by Anonymous||reply 26||November 17, 2023 2:26 AM|
I don't care what they say about us anyway
I don't care about that
|by Anonymous||reply 27||November 17, 2023 2:28 AM|
OP, gay men are into Mary Tyler Moore.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||November 17, 2023 2:32 AM|
[quote]....young women admired her and the barriers she broke.
They love to rewrite history.
Ann Sothern as Katie (never married) had her own office (and her own secretary) and took shit from no one.
Watch her explain to Lucy about marriage.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||November 17, 2023 2:34 AM|
To me it seems odd that more young women aren't into Marion Lorne.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||November 17, 2023 2:36 AM|
The Lorne period petered out a decade ago, r30.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||November 17, 2023 2:47 AM|
Mary was an outspoken supporter of Hamas. Phyllis ran the cabal in San Francisco.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||November 17, 2023 2:50 AM|
Face it, OP, sometimes you're a Rhoda.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||November 17, 2023 2:52 AM|
What about Reta Shaw?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||November 17, 2023 2:52 AM|
[quote] [R9] In real life Mary was a Brooklyn Irish Catholic
No she wasn’t. She had a little Irish ancestry and a little German, but she was first and foremost a WASP.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||November 17, 2023 3:07 AM|
R20, I was going to say the same thing. Lucy has longevity that is remarkable.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||November 17, 2023 3:19 AM|
Buff Cobb is DEAD to me...
|by Anonymous||reply 37||November 17, 2023 3:24 AM|
Buck never would have called into question MTM's enduring popularity.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||November 17, 2023 3:31 AM|
Ann Sothern had roommates on her show and tried to sell herself as a femme fatale "all the boys love Katy" or some such nonsense in her theme song, despite her fat ass. MTM was not man crazy, didn't have a regular boyfriend and occasionally spent the night with a date, something Sothern couldn't do.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||November 17, 2023 4:17 AM|
Why isn't Mitzi still headlining at Caesar's Palace?
|by Anonymous||reply 40||November 17, 2023 4:22 AM|
You'd have to ask Mitzi, r40. We've been estranged since '72.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||November 17, 2023 4:34 AM|
Why aren't more young women talking about Zazu Pitts?
|by Anonymous||reply 42||November 17, 2023 10:02 AM|
Do they still have Eve Harrington Clubs at most of the girls' high schools?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||November 17, 2023 12:22 PM|
Why should they be, OP?
|by Anonymous||reply 44||November 17, 2023 12:28 PM|
[quote] but I was born on the 60s.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||November 17, 2023 12:30 PM|
I went as Jeanne Eagels for Halloween this year.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||November 17, 2023 12:32 PM|
Because she looks old to them.
I loved MTM...great show...
But MTM looks old to young women today.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||November 17, 2023 12:35 PM|
The miserable-old-blind-woman thing is a bit of a turn-off for tweeners.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||November 17, 2023 12:53 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 49||November 17, 2023 1:05 PM|
Because they all like to sing "Tell Aunt Rhoda...."
|by Anonymous||reply 50||November 17, 2023 1:21 PM|
Go Tell Aunt Rhoda, Mary is a bitch. . .
|by Anonymous||reply 51||November 17, 2023 1:42 PM|
R29: It's funny how Sothern looks trimmer in the opening sequence than in the show. They must have put here in one industrial strength girdle for that sequence.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||November 17, 2023 1:45 PM|
[quote]Ann Sothern had roommates on her show and tried to sell herself as a femme fatale "all the boys love Katy" or some such nonsense in her theme song, despite her fat ass. MTM was not man crazy, didn't have a regular boyfriend and occasionally spent the night with a date, something Sothern couldn't do.
MTM was a coffee serving airplane stewardess compared to Sothern and Eve Arden (Our Miss Brooks).
|by Anonymous||reply 53||November 17, 2023 4:00 PM|
MTM grew into her role as producer, which was new for women. Arden was in a typically female profession and Sothern's first show had her as a secretary and she could only connive to have authority in the other one.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||November 17, 2023 4:44 PM|
When did young women stop taking fashion cues from wavishing Kay Fwancis?
|by Anonymous||reply 55||November 17, 2023 5:29 PM|
It's shocking that a great star like Minnie Maddern Fiske has been so forgotten by today's young women.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||November 17, 2023 5:33 PM|
I don't understand why more women don't look to Barbara Bel Geddes as a mother figure.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||November 17, 2023 5:58 PM|
Why aren’t more women into Colleen Moore’s doll house?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||November 17, 2023 10:06 PM|
Mary Tyler who???
|by Anonymous||reply 59||November 17, 2023 10:17 PM|
[quote]Mary Tyler who???
She's obviously David Tyler Muir's mother.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||November 18, 2023 12:47 AM|
[quote]Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||November 18, 2023 1:00 AM|
A 1970s sitcom? That’s my answer. Old movies are one thing- sitcoms and other serial TV shows are pretty much only of their day.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||November 18, 2023 1:12 AM|
The influences in my youth were Viveca Lindfors...Mimsy Farmer....
|by Anonymous||reply 63||November 18, 2023 1:14 AM|
[quote] Mary Tyler who???
- signed, everyone under 40
|by Anonymous||reply 64||November 18, 2023 1:31 AM|
Given Mary, Rhoda, Phyllis, Lou, Murray and Ted are all dead, what would they be into?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||November 18, 2023 1:44 AM|
Because young women today don't turn the world on with their smile.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||November 18, 2023 2:24 AM|
F U R65
|by Anonymous||reply 67||November 18, 2023 2:33 AM|
Women were more into Carrie Bradshaw.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||November 18, 2023 2:42 AM|
Mary Tyler Moore is yesterday.
Today’s youth have moved on to
|by Anonymous||reply 69||November 18, 2023 8:24 AM|
Today's youth want to see their peers on screen. They are into people who are their own age like Catherine Zeta Jones.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||November 19, 2023 12:03 AM|
R35 Moore was born on December 29, 1936, in the Brooklyn Heights neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York City, New York, to Marjorie (née Hackett) and George Tyler Moore. Her father was a clerk. Her Irish-Catholic family lived in Brooklyn's Flatbush neighborhood
She was raised Catholic and attended St. Rose of Lima Parochial School in Brooklyn until the third grade. In Los Angeles, Moore attended Saint Ambrose School and Immaculate Heart High School in the Los Feliz neighborhood of the city.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||November 19, 2023 12:42 AM|
Give it a fucking rest you fossils
|by Anonymous||reply 72||November 19, 2023 12:44 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 73||November 19, 2023 12:56 AM|
[Quote] Give it a fucking rest you fossils
INCELs are always so angry!
|by Anonymous||reply 74||November 19, 2023 1:36 AM|
A little off topic but looking at that video at R29, Ann was actually much prettier than Lucy there but had kind of an annoying voice. Lucy looks a bit haggard.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||November 19, 2023 1:56 AM|
Because the vast majority of people only watch media made in their lifetime. Murphy brown came later but honestly more forgot despite a failed reboot a few years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 19, 2023 3:10 AM|
[quote]Murphy brown came later but honestly more forgot
|by Anonymous||reply 77||November 19, 2023 3:14 AM|
Young women may have watched the show when it first came on, it was a popular show, but she was never any kind of icon to them. There were lots of sitcom career women before her, including one in MTM’s previous sitcom. And after the first season, Mary looked positively middle aged.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||November 19, 2023 3:24 AM|
Women have more choices now but also the same setbacks too. Abortion, equal pay, motherhood etc: there isn't a populist TV show representing today's modern woman ATM. It seems most media is about gender issues, inclusivity and racially charged topics. American free to TV is stagnant, and streaming and cable are too. Social media is where everybody is but you have to wade through a lot of dreck, to find someone of note and influence.
Believe it or not, Kim Kardashian is today's MTM.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||November 19, 2023 4:30 AM|
[quote]Believe it or not, Kim Kardashian is today's MTM.
Marvin the Martian?
|by Anonymous||reply 80||November 19, 2023 5:31 AM|
It may just be that it's not in syndication/reruns as much as other classic tv shows are. Still having cable, I rarely come across it. Other classic shows are on several channels at a time. It may just be that it's not out there and as readily available to watch for younger people vs other shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||November 19, 2023 5:48 AM|
Oprah knows the score.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||November 19, 2023 5:50 AM|
R82, great clip. Even in that atmosphere of effusive Oprah emoting, you can see and hear what a chilly bitch MTM was. I say this as a huge Mary fan. She was a cold fish.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||November 19, 2023 8:25 PM|
Mary gleefully laughs at Oprah’s tears - -
|by Anonymous||reply 84||November 19, 2023 8:31 PM|
R84, as she should. Who cries over a sitcom?
|by Anonymous||reply 85||November 19, 2023 8:32 PM|
Who laughs when a clown dies?
|by Anonymous||reply 86||November 19, 2023 8:57 PM|
R82 Oh please, Oprah. That was so staged.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||November 19, 2023 9:24 PM|
R75: Sothern had nicer features and expanding ass and waistline aside, was more traditionally attractive. She also was a better actress and could sing. She was never going to carry an A-list film but never seemed bitter about her career the way that Lucy was. Ball turned out to be fine for a formulaic sitcom, but apparently thought she could be a lot more. She was probably a bit like her friend Ginger Rogers, who wanted to be more than a chorus girl but really wasn’t.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||November 20, 2023 11:04 PM|
Because I ate them all: They’re all inside of me!
|by Anonymous||reply 89||November 21, 2023 1:42 AM|
Ann Sothern was beautiful but by the 1970s she looked a lot like Devine.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||November 21, 2023 2:14 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 91||November 21, 2023 2:41 AM|
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|by Anonymous||reply 92||November 21, 2023 2:43 AM|
[quote]Why aren’t more young women into Mary Tyler Moore?
I was always much more into Joyce Bulifant.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||November 21, 2023 2:45 AM|
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|by Anonymous||reply 95||November 21, 2023 10:54 PM|
Because Vivian Vance.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||November 22, 2023 11:48 PM|