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The Gilded Age - Episode 3 - 11/12/2023

Let’s discuss.

Carrie Coon finally does some acting in this episode.

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by Anonymousreply 206November 23, 2023 1:49 PM

It tickled me how Foghorn Leghorn…I mean Mr. McAllister crossed the road secretively from the Russells to the Van Rhijns.

by Anonymousreply 1November 13, 2023 2:59 AM

She yells a lot. I wouldn't call it great acting.

by Anonymousreply 2November 13, 2023 3:01 AM

R2 Honestly, it’s more nuanced than Christine Baranski yelling about New England clam chowder as if she were served a murdered corpse.

by Anonymousreply 3November 13, 2023 3:01 AM

Going to Bloomingdale's?---it was a rather low end place in those days, like Gimbels.

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by Anonymousreply 5November 13, 2023 3:03 AM

The last scene in the episode was Ada and the boring Rector looking at watercolor paintings? Really? This show is so going to be cancelled.

And did they go out of their way to cast a Tucker Carlson look-alike as Oscar Wilde? Uhhh…OK.

by Anonymousreply 6November 13, 2023 3:08 AM

I love how Oscar Wilde basically told on Oscar van Rhijn.

by Anonymousreply 7November 13, 2023 3:35 AM

R6 I disagree. It showed that Ava was finally getting a possible happy ending. We haven’t really devoted any time to her character alone without Agnes being by her side.

by Anonymousreply 8November 13, 2023 4:55 AM

He’s interested in Agnes.

by Anonymousreply 9November 13, 2023 5:08 AM

That Union scene had some of the worst acting I have ever seen on cable TV.

by Anonymousreply 10November 13, 2023 5:27 AM

Yeah, I wasn’t impressed with the union leader. He didn’t make me care about his plight, R10.

by Anonymousreply 11November 13, 2023 5:29 AM

Eleven rather short posts and I'm convinced not to bother with The Gilded Age.

Julian Fellowes wears thin fast.

I had some hope seeing that Carrie Coon is in it, but she is an actress who shines in proportion to the complexity of the character, a weak point for Fellowes.

by Anonymousreply 12November 13, 2023 6:07 AM

I wonder what Bertha has up her sleeve regarding the Duke of Devon or whoever he is. Sounds juicy.

by Anonymousreply 13November 13, 2023 8:27 AM
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by Anonymousreply 14November 13, 2023 8:52 AM

What a great episode. The scene between Peggy and her mom was so chilling, I've never seen a conversation like that on TV before. Wilde was 28 at this time and apparently shitting out bad plays? I wanted to see way more of him, what a scene stealer. The male servants were so handsome, as was the newspaper man in the street and the striking worker guy with the huge stache at the end. The casting folk sure have a good eye.

While I appreciate that we get to see horse ordure on the streets because it helps with immersion, I was eating lunch and took a huge bite just as a pile of it was displayed centre screen. Lost all appetite instantly. The Brooklyn Bridge gets a mention, I'm thinking they're definitely going to mention the stampede later that year.

[quote]The last scene in the episode was Ada and the boring Rector looking at watercolor paintings? Really?

I thought it was such a sweet, touching scene. Like something out of an Austen novel. But I also sensed people weren't going to like it because there was no drama, just old-school flirting between two older people, which we don't see nearly often enough.

by Anonymousreply 15November 13, 2023 10:57 AM

R15, I have to wonder if the Pastor doesn't have a sinister purpose. Ada is so open and so accessible to kindness and attention from a man. He seems nice but that may be a facade. Although Fellowes isn't known for subtlety so if there is a sinister purpose he would have telegraphed it.

by Anonymousreply 16November 13, 2023 2:27 PM

Why were Ada and the Reverend looking at oil paintings and calling them watercolors?

by Anonymousreply 17November 13, 2023 2:40 PM

I find the criticisms of the actor playing Wilde surprising. He could have played him cartoonishly camp or not camp enough, in which case we'd be raising hell for Fellowes straightwashing him. I think he managed to find just the right balance to come across as clearly gay to us and passably straight to the more clueless folk around him.

He actually reminded me of a typical bitchy DLer much more than the other two homos on the show, so perhaps that explains this reaction.

by Anonymousreply 18November 13, 2023 2:41 PM

Denee Benton's dresses and matching hats are far too lavish and extravagant for a young woman who works as a secretary and free lance reporter. If she dresses like that in the deep South she will be in big trouble.

by Anonymousreply 19November 13, 2023 2:42 PM

Honest question, but does Cynthia Nixon have false teeth for this portrayal?

by Anonymousreply 20November 13, 2023 2:44 PM

r17 They weren't? It was an exhibition of Adolph Menzel's work, which included both watercolours and oil paintings. They mentioned at the luncheon that they enjoyed his watercolours, they didn't say his work using other methods was shit.

by Anonymousreply 21November 13, 2023 2:50 PM

Dear God in Heaven....whose idea of the scintillating wit of Oscar Wilde was that melodramatic claptrap which everyone (deservedly so, I might add) was so yawningly underwhelmed. I have read almost everything Wilde has written (including The Selfish Giant, a fairy tale concocted for his children) and what was presented as Wilde's work in this episode was monstrous.....unforgivable. This was particularly galling coming from Julian Fellow, a fellow Brit.

by Anonymousreply 22November 13, 2023 3:00 PM

I don't know, I enjoyed this subversion of expectations. Let's be real, we were all expecting the Americans to fawn over Wilde and his work. I thought showing him flopping humanised him.

by Anonymousreply 23November 13, 2023 3:04 PM

The whole episode seemed ridiculous. Buying into Booker T Washington's approach to things was unbelievable, we have Russells problems being too quickly resolved and Ava's sudden discovery of independence and libido---but Bloomingdale's would not have been where she shopped. The union guys were a bunch of stereotypes but Julian probably hasn't the slight notion of what they are really like. The clam chowder subplot really fell flat, even Baranski didn't seem invested in her character's wise cracks.

by Anonymousreply 24November 13, 2023 3:27 PM

I didn't think Ada's flirtation with the rector was about libido at all, she just has a sweet little crush on him and has decided to pursue it further. And why not, it's never too late.

The union guys intrigued me because we don't really get to see this sort of thing in period shows very often, if at all. Striking action is fine, but dying for it? Just goes to show that organised labour didn't have things fully figured out just yet back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 25November 13, 2023 3:44 PM

R24, but the Booker T. Washington philosophy was something a lot of middle and upper class educated African Americans embraced. And still do. The Black Middle Class certainly leaned that way. And the depiction of the arrogant capitalist, George Russell trying to break the union was very typical. I knew from the moment he told his man to bring the Union leader to NYC it would fail.

by Anonymousreply 26November 13, 2023 4:26 PM

Can't wait to watch tonight. Is Bertha going to try and land a duke for the Aardvark?

by Anonymousreply 27November 13, 2023 4:27 PM

R25, saying they're willing to die for it was no exaggeration, because their corporate adversaries were perfectly willing to kill. Henry Ford employed a small army of goons whowere aggressive in attempts to break the unions.

by Anonymousreply 28November 13, 2023 4:29 PM

I have not been a fan of the overly extravagant look of this series but I thought the union meeting was beautifully lit and designed and shot. It was nice for a change to see people dressed in real 1880s clothes and not the Disney-colored version. As a matter of fact, I was so taken with the look I stopped listening to what happened in the scene, so I can't argue with those saying it wasn't written well.

by Anonymousreply 29November 13, 2023 4:40 PM

R25: The stakes were high in these early days with paid goons like the Pinkertons etc. The dialogue and direction were kindof lacking. Julian probably does not do much looking at history. The union guy ate with his mothful, etc.--made to look vulgar compared with the Russells.

by Anonymousreply 30November 13, 2023 4:47 PM

Each one of the guys in the union meeting had some kind of speech impediment.....it was very distracting.

R22 I am sure you know that Oscar wasn't a Brit - he was Irish.

What was happening onstage in the episode was a Wilde play "Vera, or The Nihilists."

by Anonymousreply 31November 13, 2023 4:49 PM

R24 have read about Black history of the era? Do you understand that soon enough DuBois supplanted Washington?

by Anonymousreply 32November 13, 2023 4:49 PM

Du Bois


by Anonymousreply 33November 13, 2023 4:51 PM

Du Bois had a message that would have resonated with northern Blacks. There is something of a pathway from Washington to Garvey but Washington probably was more popular among white plutocrats than anyone else.

by Anonymousreply 34November 13, 2023 5:04 PM

I thought the minister showed undo interest in Agnes and was treating Ada as a friend who could get him closer to her sister. Did no one else see this?

by Anonymousreply 35November 13, 2023 5:07 PM

I was wondering that r31. I assumed there was an actual play, and I don't know enough about Oscar Wilde, but did he have an early, heavy-handed period of dull moralistic plays? Before discovering what he really was good at and willing to stop doing "acceptable" expected crap?

by Anonymousreply 36November 13, 2023 5:08 PM

It’s the Duke of Buckingham. As in Buckingham Palace. Perhaps you’ve heard of it?

by Anonymousreply 37November 13, 2023 5:20 PM

It’s not like he built the Palace or ever owned it…it passed to the Hanovers long before this shitshow came about.

by Anonymousreply 38November 13, 2023 5:23 PM

His ancestors built it. That’s what matters.

by Anonymousreply 39November 13, 2023 5:26 PM

I was interested in the Harry Richardson- Laura Benanti storyline in the trailer for episode 2.4. Looks like things will become a little too heated for Mrs. Blane. There was a bed scene between the two actors, ostensibly nude together. I had to wind back and freeze frame to see if the glimpse of flesh I saw was Richardson’s back/ass. Alas, it was Benanti’s bare leg outside the bed clothes, resting on Harry’s hip. I’ll bet his ass was hairy and they thought the fraus in the audience would be disgusted so they put Laura’s leg where Harry’s bare ass should have been.

I also thought the scene between Audra McDonald and Denée Benton was terrific. The problem with racially diversifying period dramas can be that you overlook the very real prejudices and persecutions of the time. Peggy Scott’s cosiness in the VanRihjn/Brook household is arguably anachronistic, so it’s valuable to hear some home truths being expressed with vehemence and emotion. I think McDonald can expect an Emmy nomination.

by Anonymousreply 40November 13, 2023 5:57 PM

R39 my ancestors built Stonehenge—see how dumb you sound?

by Anonymousreply 41November 13, 2023 6:20 PM

Not really. Doesn’t help that you’re lying.

by Anonymousreply 42November 13, 2023 6:33 PM

Audra always expects a nomination.

by Anonymousreply 43November 13, 2023 6:34 PM

[quote] The problem with racially diversifying period dramas can be that you overlook the very real prejudices and persecutions of the time.

True. The thing with Armstrong is she'd be much more the norm than some odd exception in the household. Most of the servants would resent this black woman eating with them. But in a show like this, you need to pretend that good people were basically tolerant and only a few bad people were racist. It would be more like pretty much everybody was racist and a few exceptional people wouldn't be.

by Anonymousreply 44November 13, 2023 6:48 PM

This was post Civil War Reconstruction period too, and many Northerners who were in in the educated upper classes might be open to employing a Black secretary. The other thing we must be aware of is that not all the servants downstairs were literate. The resentment wasn't just race as much as it was dealing with an educated Black person.

by Anonymousreply 45November 13, 2023 7:10 PM

I'm finding it very hard to come to terms with an aristocratic woman who is horrified by water coloring, embroidering in the parlor and New England clam chowder at lunch hiring a young black woman she doesn't even know as her social secretary.

Maybe that's just me.

by Anonymousreply 46November 13, 2023 7:40 PM

Where was the alarm clock ⏰ plot?

by Anonymousreply 47November 13, 2023 8:20 PM

What year are they in? The Duke of Buckingham died in 1889.

by Anonymousreply 48November 13, 2023 8:34 PM


by Anonymousreply 49November 13, 2023 8:35 PM

Thanks, r49.

by Anonymousreply 50November 13, 2023 8:38 PM

Yes, R44, it reminds me of Carson in Downton. He was portrayed as old-fashioned and out-of-step for being homophobic and anti-Semitic... in a show set in the 1910s-20s. It was ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 51November 13, 2023 8:50 PM

If they don’t put THE GOOD FIGHT fierce twosome of Christine Baranski and Audra McDonald in a scene together this season, I will be so upset.

by Anonymousreply 52November 13, 2023 9:01 PM

I doubt very much these characters would have gone all the way downtown to see an unknown play by the still unknown Oscar Wilde

by Anonymousreply 53November 13, 2023 9:05 PM

[quote]I have not been a fan of the overly extravagant look of this series

While I agree this series looks "overly extravagant," it renders exceptionally beautiful on my big-screen TV. I wonder what the budget was for sets and costumes? The location they used for the Newport Casino tennis match was breathtaking.

It looks indeed like the Gilded Age.

by Anonymousreply 54November 13, 2023 9:31 PM

That location WAS the Newport Casino.

by Anonymousreply 55November 13, 2023 9:35 PM

Why do they call it a casino? It's just a country club, no?

by Anonymousreply 56November 13, 2023 11:14 PM

R56 is in 5th grade—he thinks the word casino must mean a gambling establishment. He’s too dumb to understand the concept of a social club.

I pity the fool.

by Anonymousreply 57November 13, 2023 11:17 PM

WHY do all the Womens' dresses in this Series, look like Upholstery from the DRAPES????

by Anonymousreply 58November 13, 2023 11:52 PM

That lady maid Trollope is gonna get BURNED

by Anonymousreply 59November 13, 2023 11:54 PM

Morgan Spector has lost all of his sex appeal this season.

And why are they styling Carrie Coon's hair (wig) like Wilma Flintstone?

by Anonymousreply 60November 14, 2023 12:00 AM

[quote] The last scene in the episode was Ada and the boring Rector looking at watercolor paintings? Really?

What did you want? A race riot? Chariot races up and down fifth avenue? You realize this isn’t a marvelverse epic?

by Anonymousreply 61November 14, 2023 12:00 AM

R61, Alarm Clock Jack in Spandex!

by Anonymousreply 62November 14, 2023 12:01 AM

[quote] Just goes to show that organised labour didn't have things fully figured out just yet back in the day. Just goes to show that organised labour didn't have things fully figured out just yet back in the day.

Ohm, they did, but the stakes were higher. Twelve hour days? No workman’s comp? Striking back then regularly meant Striking the plant, like burning it to the ground. Destroying it. They were inevitably violent back then.

by Anonymousreply 63November 14, 2023 12:06 AM

[quote] am sure you know that Oscar wasn't a Brit - he was Irish.

Anglo-irish I believe

by Anonymousreply 64November 14, 2023 12:09 AM

Anglo-Irish…I know for a fact…he’d cut you down for calling him a Brit.

by Anonymousreply 65November 14, 2023 12:16 AM

It wasn't so much the actor's mediocre performance but I really would have expected a series like this to have a big name Broadway actor playing Oscar Wilde. Was Harvey Fierstein really not available, lol?

by Anonymousreply 66November 14, 2023 12:48 AM

^ now THAT’s Stupid

by Anonymousreply 67November 14, 2023 12:49 AM

R66, Oscar was still in his 20s at the time, Harvey is ancient

by Anonymousreply 68November 14, 2023 12:57 AM

Brooks Ashmanskas as Oscar Wilde!

by Anonymousreply 69November 14, 2023 12:58 AM

Well r58, the women saw the dresses in the window and just had to have them

by Anonymousreply 70November 14, 2023 1:41 AM

This show just sits there, liked a soiled sofa.

by Anonymousreply 71November 14, 2023 2:05 AM

I hated the Oscar Wilde casting. Oscar Wilde was very tall and less hideous than the creature they cast.

by Anonymousreply 72November 14, 2023 2:13 AM

Stunt casting, troye sylvan as Oscar wilde!

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by Anonymousreply 74November 14, 2023 2:31 AM

I actually very much enjoyed this episode. Louisa Jacobson wasn't flapping her arms around with every line, Cynthia Nixon seems much more than a dull normal, and the story moved forward a bit. I could do without the Turner drama but I'm hoping Bertha (my favorite) will railroad her back where she belongs.

by Anonymousreply 75November 14, 2023 2:57 AM

Funny that we haven't yet met Turner's rich old husband played by Broadway fave Dakin Matthews. The discrepancy in their ages alone is quite dramatic so I don't know what they're waiting for. They need all the drama they can find.

by Anonymousreply 76November 14, 2023 3:01 AM

Carrie Coon is actually growing on me. I feel like I understand her choices as an actor the season, I can’t really say that was the case last season. I love this show.

by Anonymousreply 77November 14, 2023 3:55 AM

I think Turner's reasoning is flawed. If she thinks she can blackmail Bertha she is only going to expose herself. She'll fling an accusation about George Russell which he will deny and Bertha will back him, and Turner will simply expose her own role in the accusation. Here she is married to a man with more money than God and she is going to tell the world she was a lady's made who got fired so she accuses the man of the house of improprieties? No way those society matrons will receive that information in good grace. She will instantly become a pariah, and her husb and may see their marriage as a critical lapse in judgement easily corrected by a divorce with a reasonable cash settlement.

by Anonymousreply 78November 14, 2023 4:01 AM

[quote]Denee Benton's dresses and matching hats are far too lavish and extravagant for a young woman who works as a secretary and free lance reporter.

I thought the same thing when she visited the newspaper office in a shimmering silk ensemble. How she could afford such a garment aside, she’d know it was likely to get ink all over it there.

Her parents aren’t poor, though. And she gets a salary. Maybe she REALLY knows how to sew and whipped it up herself one weekend.

by Anonymousreply 79November 14, 2023 6:43 AM

Benanti and Larry are like newlyweds, their scenes together make me uncomfortable. She gives off this sex freak energy and he's too young to be exposed to that sort of thing. Bertha better come in like a wrecking ball soon and save poor Larry from that insatiable cougar.

by Anonymousreply 80November 14, 2023 8:22 AM

R79, ha! I love these conjectures.

by Anonymousreply 81November 14, 2023 11:48 AM

R80, I’d eat him up with a spoon

by Anonymousreply 82November 14, 2023 11:48 AM

In the preview for next week somebody said: "....the money is all gone....." or something like that.

I couldn't tell who it was. Who done lost all their money?

by Anonymousreply 83November 14, 2023 1:35 PM

Perhaps that Stuyvesant marriage prospect Agnes has in mind for Larry?

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by Anonymousreply 85November 14, 2023 1:52 PM

that would be a shame

by Anonymousreply 86November 14, 2023 1:56 PM

r83, that is the president of the metropolitan opera company. Bertha is going to have to put her money where her mouth is and bail them out

by Anonymousreply 87November 14, 2023 1:59 PM

No R57 I'm not but where I'm from we call them country clubs and casinos are gambling establishments. Maybe the casino thing is an East Coast thing.

by Anonymousreply 88November 14, 2023 2:01 PM

[quote] I couldn't tell who it was. Who done lost all their money?

I don't know, but there is this little depression around this time that I'm pretty sure they are going to get into.

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by Anonymousreply 89November 14, 2023 2:14 PM

Casino, like bungalow, is a word whose meaning has changed over the decades.

by Anonymousreply 90November 14, 2023 2:26 PM

[quote]I'm not but where I'm from we call them country clubs and casinos are gambling establishments.

did you call them that in the late 19th century?

by Anonymousreply 91November 14, 2023 2:37 PM

Coon has at least deviated from a flat delivery of her lines. There still isn't much going on behind the eyes though. Her scenes with Turner were the best, so hopefully they don't jettison the former maid too soon.

by Anonymousreply 92November 14, 2023 2:40 PM

No chemistry with the husband, even when angry.

by Anonymousreply 93November 14, 2023 2:47 PM

Bertha is a cipher IMO.

by Anonymousreply 94November 14, 2023 2:57 PM

I don't know how long Miss Turner can keep this little secret of hers. Those servants are going to gossip like crazy with other servants. This whole thing is just too juicy. And despite the show's attempt to make her a kind of inspiration, like if she can do it, so can we, I think a lot would be really pissed that this bitch maid is now pretending to be some grand lady and they're supposed to wait on her.

And ladies' maids tell ladies. There will be a lot of tittering in drawing rooms this season.

by Anonymousreply 95November 14, 2023 2:58 PM

I swear I can't tell the belowstairs staff of the two different households apart.

by Anonymousreply 96November 14, 2023 3:01 PM

Yeah, it's hard, r96, and they should probably be really distinctive. The servants proud to work for an Old New York Family versus the servants willing to work for the upstarts, maybe even like working for the richer family that seems to do more with their lives. Servants are famously as snobbish as masters, sometimes even more so.

They kind of get into it with the Cunting Butlers, but I think in general there would be this weird rivalry and this kind of sense of who has standards and who doesn't, and who is looking to the future and who is stuck in the stale past.

by Anonymousreply 97November 14, 2023 5:04 PM

Now if I were George and Bertha, I would very discreetly approach Turner's husband through a third party to suggest that he address the problem. Tell the wealthy society husband that his new wife has threatened a prominent person with a public scandal which will be embarrassing for Him, and he needs to address it discreetly. All they have to do is tell the truth. She attempted to ensnare Mr. Russell in compromising behavior, he rejected her, and she was terminated. She has harbored a desire for revenge ever since and it is embarrassing. So the Russells are very reluctantly and privately turing to him, hoping to avoid the public shame it will bring to him and his new wife.

by Anonymousreply 98November 14, 2023 5:19 PM

For the life of me I can't comprehend what Turner gains by exposing the fact that she was once a ladies maid even if the boss made a play for her.

by Anonymousreply 99November 14, 2023 6:03 PM

Exactly, R99. And it will reflect poorly on her new husband who is reputed to have more money that anyone else. I cannot understand how she would risk his reaction. But I do believe the Russells need to act quickly to counter any measures she may have been considering. For all we know she told an inventive version of the story to her husband who feels pity. But I bet the risks of being treated as a pariah and embarrassing him will carry more weight.

by Anonymousreply 100November 14, 2023 6:39 PM

The whole thing makes no sense. Turner is threatening Bertha so Bertha will keep Turner’s “secret,” but as those above pointed out it’s no secret and inevitably everyone will know within a very brief time.

by Anonymousreply 101November 14, 2023 7:11 PM

Such bad plotting!

by Anonymousreply 102November 14, 2023 8:18 PM

Yes. Bad plotting. Turner would NEVER be invited to the Russells, ever. Opera boxes be damned.

by Anonymousreply 103November 14, 2023 9:25 PM

Rich old guy isn't going to care what some upstarts say. Based on age alone, the marriage probably already was a scandal.

by Anonymousreply 104November 14, 2023 9:51 PM

He’ll die in the next episode

by Anonymousreply 105November 15, 2023 3:03 AM

Tactically, Bertha can't be the one to make the first accusation publicly. It has to come from Turner, who will be regarded as behaving badly. A kind of shoot the messenger situation. Then Bertha can expose her as a lady's maid who was fired for behaving badly.

by Anonymousreply 106November 15, 2023 3:27 AM

I think bald father is going to have a rousing time in San Francisco. I know I'd give him a 19th century rowdy time with him.

by Anonymousreply 107November 15, 2023 3:41 AM

Alarm Clock Jack had all the pieces spread out on the table. I can’t wait for the assembly!

by Anonymousreply 108November 15, 2023 8:07 AM

That clock is making me horny.

by Anonymousreply 109November 15, 2023 8:38 AM

Is that rector Ada has her eyes on Catholic, or what denomination do she and her sister belong to, has that been mentioned? I noticed all the rich people were at the same church for Easter; would it be considered weird at the time if some of them were, say, Presbyterian instead? I listened to a podcasts about the Methodists last week and I assume that was more of a working folk kind of thing, unlike today (see: Hillary).

I guess what I'm asking is, were you expected to belong to a particular denomination if you were loaded back then?

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by Anonymousreply 110November 15, 2023 10:27 AM

I'm enjoying this more than the last season so far. Yes, it's become more soapy, but it's also become more fun.

by Anonymousreply 111November 15, 2023 11:12 AM

R110. He is not Catholic; Agnes made a comment about him being in a church where the clergy could marry. May have been Episcopalian but I honestly don’t remember.

by Anonymousreply 112November 15, 2023 11:23 AM

Yea like an old NY Dutch family would ever be Catholic😳

by Anonymousreply 113November 15, 2023 11:33 AM

r112 Ah, thanks. Completely missed out the Episcopalians as a possibility.

by Anonymousreply 114November 15, 2023 11:34 AM

r113 Forgot about their roots even though their Dutch last name is mentioned in every episode, my bad.

by Anonymousreply 115November 15, 2023 11:37 AM

Guess you missed Agnes' line to the rector about his parents, "And when did they escape the clutches of the vicar of Rome?"

by Anonymousreply 116November 15, 2023 11:39 AM


Thrilled to see the green carnation in Wilde’s buttonhole; which was a historically accurate signifier for gay men.

by Anonymousreply 117November 15, 2023 12:24 PM

For the young’uns

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by Anonymousreply 118November 15, 2023 12:27 PM

He's wearing fancy dress and the church looks Catholic=Episcopalian

Presbyterian would have been arriveste---Scots-Irish mostly, later they absorbed some of the Dutch Calvinists; in those days they were stiff people who weren't allowed to have fun on Sunday; Presbyterian shopkeepers would cover their display windows on the "Lord's Day". Andrew Carnegie was a Presbyterian---the Church made all kinds of excuses for his horrible behavior.

Methodists would have been down a rung from the Presbyterians. John D Rockefeller was a Baptist and gave a great deal to Baptist causes.

by Anonymousreply 119November 15, 2023 12:52 PM

[quote]Is that rector Ada has her eyes on Catholic, or what denomination do she and her sister belong to, has that been mentioned?

Espicopalian. NO members of society would be anything BUT. the pastor mentions that his father was Catholic but that he died and his Episcopalian mother had a stronger will

by Anonymousreply 120November 15, 2023 1:00 PM

[quote]Agnes made a comment about him being in a church where the clergy could marry. May have been Episcopalian but I honestly don’t remember.

not only that she posits the period-apropos barb of, "when were you released from the clutches of the vicar of rome?"

by Anonymousreply 121November 15, 2023 1:01 PM

Can we please just count on the end of the Cerveris butler character story line once he moves to San Francisco?

The butler was clearly not going to expose his past - why would he? (and what was so scandalous about his past, anyway, other than his legitimate bankruptcy) so what was all the fuss about and why did his daughter's husband feel the need to move the poor fellow cross country? Maybe in Victorian England this would have been viewed as an issue to be dealt with but, surely, not in little old New York where society women like Agnes van Rijn are employing Black social secretaries. They all know about the Russells' working class background yet ultimately came around and support them.

But the biggest gaffe is not giving us any really intriguing details about the bald butler and his daughter's relationship, going back to S1. Why should we care about their characters or their insipid story line?

by Anonymousreply 122November 15, 2023 2:12 PM

He’s a valet.

by Anonymousreply 123November 15, 2023 2:16 PM

Oh, right, valet. I should have remembered all of those exciting scenes in which he's sitting at the servants' dining table polishing shoes and not silverware.

by Anonymousreply 124November 15, 2023 2:21 PM

If people found out that her father had become a servant, in a new money household no less, they would be laughed out of society. Bald butler would be a fool not to take the offer.

by Anonymousreply 125November 15, 2023 2:27 PM

If he takes the offer, he’s off the show.

by Anonymousreply 126November 15, 2023 2:33 PM

Maybe the whole point of the bald valet's story is to demonstrate how it's viewed. Maybe they're "setting the table" for the Turner expose'.

by Anonymousreply 127November 15, 2023 2:36 PM

they will make a spin-off "I Left my heart in San fransisco" the sordid tale of handsome kept bald gentleman and his other gentleman callers

by Anonymousreply 128November 15, 2023 2:38 PM

Why is John so hung up on Oscar? He's way out of his league.

by Anonymousreply 129November 15, 2023 2:54 PM

Who's out of whose league? I can see why some don't want homosexuality taught in schools, sentences like those are so confusing. Imagine the poor kiddies trying to parse that out.

by Anonymousreply 130November 15, 2023 3:01 PM

Have you had a good look at John Adam’s nose? The bridge is flat and smashed-in.

by Anonymousreply 131November 15, 2023 3:16 PM

R114. There’s a really beautiful Episcopal church on Fifth Avenue, St. Thomas. It would only be a few blocks away from where Agnes, Ava and the Russells live so that may have been the big church for the real life Gilded Age folk. I want to say it’s on Fifth Ave at 53rd Street if I remember correctly.

by Anonymousreply 132November 15, 2023 3:24 PM

I meant John is way out of Oscar's league, R130. Sorry, should have made that clearer.

by Anonymousreply 133November 15, 2023 3:38 PM

That dress Bertha has on in OP's pic is ugly. Her clothes are usually stunning. Definitely an ugly couch fabric.

by Anonymousreply 134November 15, 2023 3:41 PM

R 132: I’ve read that the church they go to is meant to be St. Thomas’ on Fifth Avenue.

by Anonymousreply 135November 15, 2023 6:14 PM

The Dutch in early New York at least were mainly Dutch Reformed but that seems to have waned with the takeover by the English.

by Anonymousreply 136November 15, 2023 6:39 PM

When was The Dakota built on the other side of Central Park? That could be a fun episode, dealing with its original inhabitants.

by Anonymousreply 137November 15, 2023 6:46 PM

[quote] I want to say it’s on Fifth Ave at 53rd Street if I remember correctly.

that is correct

by Anonymousreply 138November 15, 2023 7:25 PM

the Dakota was indeed being built during this series, between 1880 and 1884

by Anonymousreply 139November 15, 2023 7:26 PM

Tasteful Friends, here is a Gilded Age townhouse for sale for $55 million

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by Anonymousreply 140November 17, 2023 6:18 PM

Wow, that's beautiful. I wish I had a sugar daddy to buy it for me

by Anonymousreply 141November 17, 2023 6:34 PM

lovely to see

by Anonymousreply 142November 17, 2023 6:36 PM

[quote]That dress Bertha has on in OP's pic is ugly.

It's fucking hideous! I don't even watch this show but every time I scroll past this thread, I'm traumatized all over again.

by Anonymousreply 143November 17, 2023 7:35 PM

Fucking block the images, asshole

by Anonymousreply 144November 18, 2023 12:54 AM

How did the ladies of the Gilded Age manage to sit down in those dresses? The bustles made them look like centaurides.

by Anonymousreply 145November 18, 2023 1:19 AM

You made me wonder r145. Apparently there is a method to it.

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by Anonymousreply 146November 18, 2023 1:26 AM

They also made collapsible ones:

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by Anonymousreply 147November 18, 2023 1:27 AM

shoot, think I messed up the copy and paste

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by Anonymousreply 148November 18, 2023 1:30 AM

Thanks, R146 and R147. I can't understand why anyone thought that was a good fashion choice. Kim Kardashian would have fit in surprisingly well in that era.

by Anonymousreply 149November 18, 2023 12:43 PM

r148, I seem to recall that the bustle fashion came from when the Hottentot Venus was popular in England, and the fascination with her backside. Ah yes, here is an article"

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by Anonymousreply 150November 18, 2023 12:54 PM

Fashion throughout history often evolved from practical reasons. The bustle began as the logical result of the ever increasing crinolines and hoop skirts of the 1860s when all of that skirt fabric became so voluminous that swagging it back became the natural impulse.

by Anonymousreply 151November 18, 2023 1:05 PM

Cultural appropriation, r150. The bloody cheek of it!

by Anonymousreply 152November 18, 2023 7:47 PM

I somewhat appreciate the sheer audacity of throwing in an Oscar Wilde cameo.

by Anonymousreply 153November 19, 2023 2:00 AM

He did visit around then and even stayed in Long Beach, NY.

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by Anonymousreply 154November 19, 2023 11:02 AM

I hope we see some homosex tonight.

by Anonymousreply 155November 19, 2023 3:31 PM

But preferably with some new homosexual characters....

by Anonymousreply 156November 19, 2023 8:06 PM

Beware the Bertharaptor... she will cut a bustle.

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by Anonymousreply 157November 19, 2023 9:17 PM


by Anonymousreply 158November 19, 2023 10:02 PM

First clock reference of the night!

by Anonymousreply 159November 20, 2023 1:09 AM

Bertha called Mrs. Blane a Caneface!

by Anonymousreply 160November 20, 2023 1:56 AM

OMG is Turner pissed!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 161November 20, 2023 2:01 AM

Considering he's a billionaire, Turner's husband was certainly lax in researching his new wife's background.

by Anonymousreply 162November 20, 2023 2:16 AM

Someone please start a new thread for tonight’s new episode, using proper DL protocol.

by Anonymousreply 163November 20, 2023 2:33 AM

Is there a new thread? Because a lot happened and it must be discussed! We have to talk about Ada and Agnes. And OMG Bertha has a "talk" with Mrs. Blane! And Ms. Scott's Publisher is falling for her..... and Marian and Cousin Dashiell and his annoying daughter, and I could not believe Turner's husband had no idea of his wife, but since the warning came from Mrs. Astor I don't think Bertha instigated it. I think it may have come from a disgruntled servant. That's my guess. IS Oscar going to get scammed? So much happened. I betcha that guy who told the Valet to leave town and get a pension, was lying. I bet his wife doesn't know he is trying to intimidate her father. Some shit is going to go down. We need a thread!

by Anonymousreply 164November 20, 2023 3:38 AM

Alarm Clock Jack is still clothed, alas.

by Anonymousreply 165November 20, 2023 3:43 AM

There’s cum in the Duke’s soup!

by Anonymousreply 166November 20, 2023 3:52 AM

I'm so glad they found time for slave talk.

by Anonymousreply 167November 20, 2023 4:05 AM

Aunt Agnes needs some hard kicks to the cunt bone.

by Anonymousreply 168November 20, 2023 4:12 AM

I think it's time for Agnes to engage in some self-reflection. Her lack of self awareness is coming back to bite her in the ass.

by Anonymousreply 169November 20, 2023 4:34 AM

Hunny it seems the world is starting to close in on Turner. But I'd sure like to know how Mrs. Astor found out...and talk about balls! Mrs. Astor does not play. The decision was a board decision by Academy members? Bertha certainly wouldn't want Turner's misbehavior with George to come out. She was hoping to get Turner's husband's money for the Met.

by Anonymousreply 170November 20, 2023 4:38 AM

Damn, Bertha took the cougar OUT.

by Anonymousreply 171November 20, 2023 11:02 AM

New thread?

by Anonymousreply 172November 20, 2023 11:30 AM

I disagree that Bertha would greatly fear the Turner and George story. Turner now has far more to lose if the George story gets out. Because she's been outed as a maid and that would out her as a slutty maid.

My theory is this... old moneybags dies of an apoplectic heart attack when he finds out Turner's been handwashing Bertha's dainties... left with bags of money and a future as shunned Mrs. Chamberlain, Oscar sees a chance and elopes with her... allowing Uncle Julian to tell the Harry Lehr story. Oscar and Turner are locked in a squabbling marriage with comedic value. Sort of the Thenadiers in Les Mis, but with better clothes.

by Anonymousreply 173November 20, 2023 12:17 PM

new thread?

by Anonymousreply 174November 20, 2023 12:22 PM

How about this as format... it can then run to 600 posts without relying on the notoriously reliable search function. The episode by episode approach was a little confusing and the show isn't generating a ton of comment here. Use it, don't use it, but here's an option.

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by Anonymousreply 175November 20, 2023 12:27 PM

^ Shit... stinky linky.... trying again.

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by Anonymousreply 176November 20, 2023 12:28 PM

^ That one works.

by Anonymousreply 177November 20, 2023 12:28 PM

R173. Love it. Turner and Oscar would make a delicious couple.

by Anonymousreply 178November 20, 2023 1:05 PM

I am absolutely LOVING the armpit bush Mr. Russell is showing in episode 4. The directors and cinematographer know what they're doing.

by Anonymousreply 179November 20, 2023 1:34 PM

I must have missed how Turner's story was leaked. I'm assuming Bertha did it but how? That nosy reporter who was asking her about her son and the cougar?

I'm going to guess that Agnes is going to sabotage Ada's chance for romance.

by Anonymousreply 180November 20, 2023 1:37 PM

Bigger question is how Turner's background could ever have remained hidden.

She was the ladies maid (just last year!) of the wealthiest, most prominent publicity whore on 5th Ave. and, as such, her duties would have involved accompanying her mistress to dress and millinery fittings at all the best salons and shops, as well as all sorts of duties that would have put her in contact with quite a range of society, including the household servants of every other prominent house.

And then, how did she meet and seduce her new sugar daddy? That sort of marriage arrangement doesn't happen without a lot of exposure and stepping on all sorts of toes.

It's not like she was confined in some attic. Her past could have been exposed by any number of resentful people.

by Anonymousreply 181November 20, 2023 2:15 PM

Why did Agnes say "lamp receipt" instead of "lamb recipe"?

Cackled at Bertha busting out her best tiara and just her best jewellery in general for that dinner with the Duke. Bitch looked like an actual queen.

We got to see Larry's beautiful hairy chest! Hopefully Benanti is out of the picture for good.

The ending was so deliciously dramatic, I loved the pink marble staircase. Funny she called Bertha a witch because I swear she herself looked like Elphaba incarnate in that scene.

by Anonymousreply 182November 20, 2023 2:51 PM

The constantly churning music is a bit much, on top of the wooden acting. Jesus PETE!

by Anonymousreply 183November 20, 2023 2:54 PM

*Sorry, I meant "lamb receipt" instead of "lamb recipe".

by Anonymousreply 184November 20, 2023 2:59 PM

Does Agnes ever leave the house other than for church?

I want more Bertha vs Agnes scenes.

by Anonymousreply 185November 20, 2023 3:01 PM

Psst! We’re no longer discussing episode 3.

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by Anonymousreply 186November 20, 2023 3:13 PM

Recipes used to be referred to as receipts. Mrs. Patmore used the term in DA and I have a cookbook that is full of adapted recipes with the original "receipt" printed too.

by Anonymousreply 187November 20, 2023 6:15 PM

The use of "receipts" for "recipes" in the context of this silly series just sounds like Julian showing off. Better he should put his pen to better plotting.

by Anonymousreply 188November 20, 2023 9:23 PM

I’m still scratching my head as to why Fellows haven’t had THE GOOD FIGHT terrific twosome of Cynthia Baranski and Audra McDonald in a scene or two together by now.

by Anonymousreply 189November 20, 2023 9:42 PM

Julian has probably never see THE GOOD FIGHT and he clearly isn't listening to anyone about anything.

by Anonymousreply 190November 20, 2023 9:45 PM

You're probably right r190. He should've been cramming Edith Wharton nonstop during that endless hiatus, maybe Henry James as well, but I suspect he wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 191November 20, 2023 9:53 PM

^It is evident.

by Anonymousreply 192November 20, 2023 11:37 PM

Baxter or what ever the upstart lady’s maid is name and Oscar make a great pair

by Anonymousreply 193November 21, 2023 1:02 AM

I honestly enjoy the Tuskegee story line. I just feel it deserves a full episode of its own, contrasting it with the Duke of Marlborough or whomever makes it feel trivial

by Anonymousreply 194November 21, 2023 1:11 AM

Dear Ada deserves a wedding

by Anonymousreply 195November 21, 2023 1:28 AM

Have we discussed the dwarf daughter of Cousin Dashiell? I hope she’ll turn out to be one of those undersized women from a Baltic state passing for a tween while actually being 34. It will be revealed that she killed Dashiell’s wife and is just using Marian as a cover story.

Agnes will definitely kaibosh Ada’s love affair. Her need of someone to control and grind under will be too great. And Ada is too much of a pussy to resist. Maybe the teary priest will die suddenly, leaving Ada his estate and some measure of independence.

by Anonymousreply 196November 22, 2023 2:23 PM

Ada is a pussy hound

by Anonymousreply 197November 22, 2023 6:57 PM

And have we talked about. . . . ENID?

by Anonymousreply 198November 22, 2023 6:57 PM

OK. So far we have the Pastor is a Grifter. Secondly, The Pastor is secretly dying. What are some other options? Maybe the PAstor is using someone else's identity and he is a married man with a tawdry past. Maybe he murdered the real Pastor. I will say this. In that era, at that high society church it is rather startling to me that they would have an Eyetalian Pastor instead of a WASP. He seems a bit too exotic for that crowd. And he seems to know a great deal about that artist. I think it's a CLUE.

by Anonymousreply 199November 22, 2023 10:17 PM

Pastor was formerly the talk of the town on the DL

by Anonymousreply 200November 22, 2023 10:20 PM

r199, all of your guesses are far more interesting than what we'll get.

by Anonymousreply 201November 23, 2023 12:44 AM

I could have sworn Jeanne Tripplehorn was on this show.

by Anonymousreply 202November 23, 2023 12:57 AM

^^ Not this season.

by Anonymousreply 203November 23, 2023 1:07 AM

The pastor is Agnes in disguise. She's well and truly committed to trolling Ada.

by Anonymousreply 204November 23, 2023 1:48 AM

Pastor? Tony Pastor? I think he's dreamy!

by Anonymousreply 205November 23, 2023 12:49 PM

that's it, what this series about NYC needs is a nice jewess like Barbra to crank it up a notch!

by Anonymousreply 206November 23, 2023 1:49 PM
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