New poll: : 61% of Germans believe that no more Muslim migrants should be welcomed into Germany

I wonder if Matt’s smartphone is about to melt

Agreed - why don't they go to other muslim countries? Because they won't take them in.

Why does Europe have to take them?

And the word 'assimilation' has been given a bad rap. If you're not willing to adopt the values of the country you so desperately want to move to, then you should be out.

I know it's painting with a broad brush, but there are too many Muslims who want to change the country they move to as opposed to integrating into the country and being grateful for the opportunity.

Muslim countries are a mess - and yet nobody asks why. It's always the former colonial powers' fault. HOW? Most of them were under the Turkish Empire for centuries - and were only under colonial rule for a few decades BECAUSE the Ottoman Empire fell and they had to do something with it.

Senate report on Islamophobia finds 1 in 4 Canadians say they don't trust Muslims

If 1 in 4 Canadians are willing to say out loud in a public survey that they don’t trust Muslims what is the actual number?

Who conducted the poll? What was the sample size? What are the questions?

Beware of trolls and their seemingly innocuous poll discussions.

Wonder why Merkel was so hellbent on that particular policy. Demographic concerns, and the Syrian refugees were the golden solution?

[quote]Agreed - why don't they go to other muslim countries? Because they won't take them in.

Yup.

How does not trusting Muslims equal Islamophobia?

I don't trust them-- their own holy book says it is OK to lie to non-believers. They're too goddamned relgious-- I don't 'trust' people who have to be so performative about their religion. That doesn't mean I wouldn't help one of them get something off a high shelf at the store, it doesn't mean I would piss on their mom.

But I wouldn't knock myself out trying to make friends. Not my type of people.

^*religious

OBVIOUSLY.

Phobia is the most overused word in the woketionary. Often times it's simple prejudice, which is usually based on lack of knowledge, understanding and familiarity. Prejudice can be solved. But not by making everything a ten out of ten.

Did the poll ask about migrants from other groups? Or was it Muslim only?

**The exception to what I posted would be Persians, they're incredibly sweet people overall.

A lot of those who come here or are born here are secular or secular-adjacent.

You've hit the nail on the head, R10.

Supposedly charity is spoken so much and is a rule in Islam yet - Muslim countries don't seem to take in others so much.

Also, when was the time you saw Muslim charities helping anyone other than muslims in the western world? I've never seen it.

I think the issue is rooted in the notion (whether it is correct is another debate) that Muslim migrants to the West do not actively seek to integrate into Western culture.

Muslims countries won't take other Muslims who are the scumbuckets, i.e. the Palestinians. No one wants trouble makers and terrorists.

One of the things I admire the most about the Jews is their philanthropy, particularly in the arts. You can say 'oh they're motivated by this or that', but we all benefit from their contributions to museums, theater, etc. This country is much richer in culture because of them.

R17 - not to mention that Jews have always been strong supporters and leaders of civil rights, equality, and progressive movements.

NOT ALL obviously. Like any group, there is also some terribly selfish and out-for-themselves Jews. That can be discounted.

But on the whole, the Jewish people have contributed SO much in the arts, civil rights, business, law, and helping others. It's really commendable.

Some of our best Congress people with the most integrity are Jewish. And thank GOD they are there.

I agree 100%, R18. You expanded on that point so well.

Middle-East looks and the freedom of German culture, win, win. I don't quite understand the reluctance to assimilate.

R18 they sure don’t support the right to have a foreskin.

If you took a poll of Americans, I would think that 80% of the citizens would not want more Muslim migrants. The only ones in favor would be the Muslims.

^ and the crazy leftists.

[quote] Muslim migrants to the West do not actively seek to integrate into Western culture.

I became friends with a guy who wanted to learn everything about American culture. He was always asking me about music, movies, politics, sex, idioms—everything and he was genuinely interested and really liked how we did things.

He was an engineer from Pakistan and had a PhD from here and written books, etc. and he was fun to be around. However, he lived across the street from a newly built mosque and would go whenever it is they go.

I always new when he had attended because he would return angry, agitated and start spouting how the US had done this and this in Syria and this and this to another Muslim country and we weren’t doing enough for him and his people here. It was really unsettling.

We drifted apart because I no longer trusted him because of that, and how rich he was at 30, buying 3 homes in a year and some other stuff that made me uneasy.

Insallah pussy

the best way to end Islamophobia is to stop importing so many Muslims to non-Muslim countries.

I still don't want to understand why countries don't import more Non-Muslim Asians. Hardworking and don't cause trouble.

Viets, Filipinos, Koreans, etc.

If there is any such thing as “Islamophobia,” it has a very straightforward explanation.

“Islamophobia” is the expression of distaste many people feel about the murderous behavior of radical Muslims. And while most Muslims in the West don’t engage in such acts, too many are willing to condone them, or fail to condemn them. A lot of people notice that and don’t like it.

They don't condemn the violence because they secretly support it.

“Wir haben ein Problem” is going to be my new catchphrase. Thanks, OP!

[quote]^ and the crazy leftists.

Who all live in upscale communities with just enough performative "diversity" to keep that box checked, naturally.

The outright anti-Semitic demonstrations taking place now will be the last straw for the Germans. Today’s Germany is ashamed of their history in WWII and don’t want anything that remotely resembles fascism taking root in their country. If that means no more Muslims, so be it.

[quote][R17] - not to mention that Jews have always been strong supporters and leaders of civil rights, equality, and progressive movements.

In the UK it was Jewish MP Leo Abse who pushed the government to legalise homosexuality in the 1960s and then Jewish MP a Currie who campaigned to equalise the age of consent in the 1990s.

There are some dodgy Jewish MPs as well - Hi John Bercow! - but gay rights benefitted massively from the support of Jewish MPs

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Islam is fundamentally at odds with Western values. This is coupled with the reality of the lack of integration of many Muslim migrants into Western society. That's not to say that newcomers should forsake their heritage, but many groups who do migrate to the West do work to establish themselves within Western culture. These pro-Palestinian demonstrations are not just increasingly antisemitic, they are also anti-West. Case in point, yesterday in the UK numerous speakers were saying Hamas are not terrorists, America is, the UK is, all white countries are. What's worse is many young people have become so indoctrinated by this idea of "colonialism" (without actually fully understanding the historical context of the Middle East, or the fact that Jews are actually indigenous to the region but were forced out/cleansed by Muslims) they are actively working along side these demonstrations to effectively bring down western values. That is not to say the West is innocent, of course not we've stuck our nose where it doesn't belong for centuries, but honestly it increasingly feels like we're on the cusp of something verrrry nasty.

R24 - that's part of the conditioning where everything in Muslim countries is the West's fault.

Again, British and French rule in the Middle East was for a relatively very short time - in some countries for less than 20 years.

Arabs need to ask themselves why they're not further advanced? Is it because of the Ottoman Empire - that is never ever talked about, even thought they reigned over the region for several hundred years before WW1.

Horrible human rights violations, subjugation of women, anti-science by their clerics and their hardline religious police, highest level of corruption among nation states, massive wealth inequity, extreme censorship.

How are any of those things the West's fault? But somehow we're supposed to believe that 25-40 years of British or French rule completely broke them for life?

There was once amazing technology, arts, education, medicine and learning in the Arab World - more advanced than the Europeans of the same era. What happened? How did that all decline before western powers had ANY influence in the region?

Many say that it was due to Islamic leaders and their fear of science and philosophy making people question Islam. But nobody wants to talk about that.

"Keep out any Muslims. They shouldn't want to come to non muslim countries anyway. It's not a good fit. They need to stay where they belong." We are going to hear this repeated again and again. This is going to become the new normal. Trump will run on this. And he could win. Average people of average intelligence don't want Muslims in our country. Average people with average intelligence make up the vast majority of the American voting population.

I think the hijab is a big part of this. It's an outward sign that one does not truly want to embrace Western values.

^ The hijab is also about the subjugation of women.

R30=Deutsch say it like probLAME. Put some hock into the r.

R36 - well, there is a question there - why don't they go to other muslim countries?

Hardly any non-Muslim wants to migrate to a Muslim nation. They need to ask themselves why?

Yes - we know refugees have gone into Turkey and Jordan, which are two of the more liberal Muslim countries.

Ask a 1000 non-muslims from around the world where they'd want to immigrate to - and give them some muslim countries as options - I venture none of them would say yes.

Of course, r38 -- which itself denotes a rejection of Western ideals

The other part here is that Muslim countries have been far behind in literacy. On average, most Arab countries had less than 50% literacy rates in the1970s. However, they have caught up but literacy rates are still 10+% points under the global average. Easy to keep people subjugated when they're uninformed.

A large % of the Muslim world NOW is under 30 and highly literate - which you have to think is going to cause problems with the religious powers - hopefully. You see it in Iran with the uprising against hijabs.

Plus there's social media. I hope there's a huge change in the Middle East over the next 20 years - they need to throw off this religious oppression - although it's going to be a tough fight.

[quote]Trump will run on this. And he could win. Average people of average intelligence don't want Muslims in our country.

He already ran on it in 2016. And he did win. Nobody except for the loudest screaming voices on the Left wants more Muslims in America.

All conservative leaning parties in the West are going to run on overhauling immigration and will likely win. Events over the past few weeks have highlighted and further exacerbated the tensions surrounding contemporary notions of multiculturalism (e.g. mass migration without any incentives for newcomers to better integrate into society). It's also highlighting how (for lack of better words) indoctrinated young people have become with this anti-white rhetoric to the point they are actively marching in demonstrations organized by people who are actively against things like queer rights, women's rights or believe that all non-Muslims are infidels.

The reality is that when things become as volatile and unstable as they are now, people vote to the right.

I am an Islamophobe. I am afraid of the threat that Islam and it's followers pose to Western society and Western values. As someone else once said, Islam is all fringe and no center.

R44 - and don't you think Putin and Iran, who funded Hamas, are counting on that?

Putin wants a distraction from the Ukraine War, Iran is having its own issues with the younger people rising up against the hijab and the religious police.

And Netanyahu, the corrupt, criminal right-wing leader of Israel, is all too happy to go along with it. Just last year, he was brought up on three trials for corruption and bribes. That's just the latest.

He keeps winning because of the ultra-religious fanatical Orthodox Zionist factions in Israel, who DO want this war.

A lot of them have just demonstrated that they endorse terrorism. What did they expect?

[quote]He keeps winning because of the ultra-religious fanatical Orthodox Zionist factions in Israel, who DO want this war.

The ultra-religious, Orthodox fundies in Israel are NOT actually Zionist, and couldn't give a shit about the war. This is a common misnomer. In fact, they are vehemently anti-Zionist. Zionism is and always has been a primarily secular Judeo nationalist movement, not a religious one. The Ultra Orthodox oppose it because they do not believe Jewish sovereignty or a mass-return to the Holy Land should be embraced until the temple has been rebuilt and we've entered into the Messianic age. They are happy to stay in Israel for the time being however, so long as all they have to do is study Torah and not work or serve in the IDF or basically contribute to secular society at all. And of course, do what they believe will help to "usher along the Messianic age" (i.e. reclaiming the Temple Mount in Old City Jerusalem), hence their obsession with the WB.

Bibi knows they're batshit crazy of course, but he is happy to court and indulge them in exchange for their votes, because all he cares about is staying in power. And the ultra Orthodox are happy to keep voting him in because they want more power in the knesset and more religious exemptions. They oppose and resent the secular Israelis (of which most are), and want the country to be a complete theocracy. It's a deeply disturbing symbiotic relationship. Very much like the one between the Christian fundies and Trump.

Trust, most Israelis fucking hate the Orthodox fundies and Bibi. They've been trying to oust him for some time.

Vy can’t they just accept the new land?

[quote][R36] - well, there is a question there - why don't they go to other muslim countries? Hardly any non-Muslim wants to migrate to a Muslim nation. They need to ask themselves why? Yes - we know refugees have gone into Turkey and Jordan, which are two of the more liberal Muslim countries. Ask a 1000 non-muslims from around the world where they'd want to immigrate to - and give them some muslim countries as options - I venture none of them would say yes.#

Muslims want to live in socially liberal democracies. They want good quality education for their children, health care, job opportunities, freedom to worship, a welfare system, housing, transport etc etc. Europe and English speaking countries are the ultimate destinations to raise a family.

No, they don't, R50. They want to infiltrate these societies to re-shape them like the crappy places they came from. It's all a part of Muslim domination.

R50 - and muslim countries are not. Got it. Says a lot, doesn't it?

[quote] Phobia is the most overused word in the woketionary. Often times it's simple prejudice, which is usually based on lack of knowledge, understanding and familiarity. Prejudice can be solved. But not by making everything a ten out of ten.

I’m sure you don’t believe in homophobia either.

Phobia is an irrational fear. It's rational to fear Muslims.

Everyone in America knows who hijacked the planes on 9/11, and it wasn’t Jews.

As someone once said of the Holocaust: When people say they want to kill you, believe them.

There is ample videos of imams and other muslim in mosques throughout Europe preaching hatred, intolerance and murder. How many islamic terror attacks will it take before people finally get it?

Thank you R48, thats some useful context for trying to understand recent Israeli politics

[bold]After migrant parent pressure, Anne Frank daycare center to be renamed - report[/bold]

R58 - that's disgusting - and it's all immigrant parental pressure. They don't want to support ANY Jew, regardless if it was a child.

They use our compassion against us.

Imagine immigrating to a muslim country and telling the country that took you in and is providing free childcare that you want to change the name of the place that has had the name for 53 years?

They're perpetual fucking victims. It's really hard to see past this shit - and this is just one of many, many, many other things they insist on.

Not to mention the fucking call to prayer 5x a day that they want to blast. Luckily, many countries have banned it - but they still want it.

I’m r24 and my former friend just contacted me and said, “I am becoming a Republican.”

I’m so angry right now I don’t even know how to respond.

I’m with Germany.

[quote][R50] - and muslim countries are not. Got it. Says a lot, doesn't it?

Yes, that was my point.

I'm glad you understood it.

Do I do the poll before or after they stone me or throw me off the roof?

[quote]I think the hijab is a big part of this. It's an outward sign that one does not truly want to embrace Western values.

[quote]The hijab is also about the subjugation of women.

(I put this on another thread a while back...) During the Women's March after Trump was elected, thousands gathered in Washington to protest the potential threat to women's rights his administration posed, and participants were shown being happily fitted with hijabs during the event. People who care about women's rights gladly aligning themselves with this particular religion? How in the world are these two things compatible?

They are not, R64. When I saw that when it happened, I really could not understand what the fuck was wrong with these supposedly educated women. Islam is a real horror show but it is especially so when it comes to women's right, and everyone knows this.

It occurred to me watching the pro-islamic terror / pro-hamas demonstrations that started even before Israel lifted much of a finger that these people are ideologically driven. They throw there common sense, rationality, what little knowledge they have of history and their compassion out the window. It is their religion, just like the people hacking children to death while screaming allah is greatest.

The shape of things to come…this should have been a wake-up call…

The American black Muslims don’t bother me as much; even if they disapprove of gays and lesbians they know that the laws are on our side. But immigrants from right wing Islamic countries…hell no.

2016

2015 - ‘only’ 25% British muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists

Meanwhile . . .

I said meanwhile . . .

Many Democrats are really fucked up when they support Muslims. The religion is actually against everything Democratic ideals represent. Are Democrats becoming as stupid as Repugs? This is pretty scary.

Anti Muslim sentiment is rising in the UK, too, after the media framed all the ceasefire protestors to be anti semitic Muslims.

It's almost like it's been planned...

Hardly R73; the BBC and Sky insisted this weekend’s protests were peaceful despite the multiple arrests, hate speech and violence.

It’s Muslims who are driving their own narrative by resigning from the Labour Party. Why are the councillors of Burnley more interested in Gaza than bin collections?

Matt is really triggered. Jesus. Just look at how many times he upvoted himself at r2.

R74 The marches are constantly being described as "hate marches", even the Home Secretary is calling them that. Obviously there will be some hateful people among the protestors and I'm certainly not defending those, but calling them hate marches makes it sound like at least 51% of the people on them are hateful (and anti semitic) even though most just want peace because it's preferable to innocent people dying every day.

Now the right are constantly saying things like: "Gosh, wouldn't it be so disrespectful and awful if the hate marches were to desecrate the Cenotaph on Remembrance weekend. Ban them", despite the organisers saying the march isn't due to start until 1pm (some two hours after the national silence) and their route doesn't take them near the Cenotaph.

It's getting to the point now where I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some people will pose as protestors this weekend to target the Cenotaph. Then the right can say: "Look, we were right! These people DID target our national monument on Remembrance weekend, this is now evidence that such marches must be banned" and the Home Secretary/PM will only be too quick to oblige, thus eroding some rights to peaceful protest. Mark my words.

R75, are you the same poster who goes around accusing everyone of being Greg?

R73./R76

Suella Braverman is a populist and her comments are always over the top. But "hate march" does sum up how a lot of people feel when they see the footage of events from those marches/protests.

Swastikas, "keep the world clean of Jews" posters, Hitler references, support for "the resistance" and for "the intifada", for "Palestine 48", Hamas flags, attacking a man holdiing up a Hamas are Terrorists sign, booking calls to release the hostages, screaming at people leaving McDonalds and KFC, setting off fireworks at police. Did you see the video of a muslim woman screaming abuse at an Asian police woman?

Remember all the pro Brexit and anti lockdown/vaccine marches? They were ALL peaceful *except* for the violence and intimidation - like Nick Watt from Newsnight being chased through the street or the guy filming himself with Chris Whitty and other acts of random violence.

As for people "posing as protestors" this weekend, do you realise there are people pretending to be Jews to claim to be "Jews for Palestine"?

What I find deeply offensive is that many on the far right are up for a fight with the pro Palestine protestors and this will appear that they somehow support Israel, when British Jews have made clear they don't want anything to do with Katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson. These people don't like Jews, they just don't like Muslims/brown people more.

From Saturday night's protests in London.

"You woke up and chose to be a fed".

The screaming at the end. The curly haired woman already thinking is she going to have to wait overnight at the police station for her mate or leave her and get the next bus home.

[quote] [R75], are you the same poster who goes around accusing everyone of being Greg?

I think you're right, R77.

Complete troll.

R78 I already accepted there were *some* people at the marches who wanted to cause trouble. Sadly you get that at pretty much any march and it's either over zealous supporters of whatever's being marched for, or people who don't even care but just turn up with their mates to cause trouble and get into fights.

But, as I said, acting like those sort of protestors make up the majority is disingenuous and is usually said by people who want to get the marches banned, which is why they're motivated to misrepresent them.

[quote]As for people "posing as protestors" this weekend, do you realise there are people pretending to be Jews to claim to be "Jews for Palestine"?

I have no doubt that's true either. There are bad faith actors on both sides, but I genuinely think something WILL happen at the Cenotaph - either planned by people who are against the peace marches (but will pretend they're 'Free Palestine' supporters) - or the people who are constantly saying: "It would be SO bad if it happened...." are only doing so because they want to plant that seed in people's minds. They know that if it happens (by whatever means) it'll change some people's minds and will give the government more grounds to ban such protests going forwards.

It's all one big propaganda war. At the moment the government here is losing said war because people are seeing the death toll of innocent women and children in Gaza and saying enough is enough. Braverman and Sunak know banning marches next weekend is ill advised because it will make them look heavy handed and hence increase support for the marches, so the government needs a stronger reason to ban them. Ultimately if that's how things go I still don't think it'll work because most of the country is sick of the Tories so pretty much anything they do will get criticised regardless of the motivation for it. They're a dead man walking (metaphorically speaking of course).

Oh R81, you really are transparent. "Bad faith actors on both sides". Who is the other side of the Palestine rallies?

The Tories are done and dusted but what is happening with the protests is being talked about up and down the country. People are sharing clips on social media and "it's just a few bad apples" isn't working.

People just find it very uncomfortable that there are protests where those attending are waving the flag of another country and these people would never wave the union jack. And on November 11th/Remembrance Sunday it will feel even more uncomfortable if there are fights with police and other anti social behaviour.

To go back to Muslims Britain is a largely secular country who are ok with faith but who don't think it should play a part in politics.

So why are elected officials resigning from the Labour Party because of Palestine? Why is Palestine more important than bin collections, potholes and leisure centres? Why has the First Minister of Scotland spent more time talking about Gaza than Scotland, where people have lost their homes through flooding? Saying he wants Gazans to come to Scotland for medical treatment is honourable but he leads a "Scotland First" government where people are waiting longer than ever for health care.

Why Palestine and not Syria? Why Palestine and not Iran?

[quote]because people are seeing the death toll of innocent women and children in Gaza and saying enough is enough

Correction: you are seeing HAMAS' death toll (which has been radically inflated countless times), and you are helping them fight their propaganda war for them. I'm not saying there have not been casualties, and that ANY casualty that involves an innocent isn't tragic, but if I were to wager a guess on the real figure just based off the inflation rates they've used before (not just this war, but spanning the last 20-years), I'd say it's probably closer to 800-1,500 civilians, 2-3 thousand Hamas militants, with many more thousands of injuries. I reckon they are counting all injuries they are treating towards their body count, as that has been their modus operandi in the past.

R42, social media is the big reason I fear we're doomed as it relates to the Islam/The West relations.

I lurked on a pop music forum. It's very multinational. People from all over the world post consistently. I am 43. The average age their is 23 or so.

Every single non Western person is both far left and pro Islam. It's bizarre to read. They hate America. They hate the UK. But they want to live there.

They also hate homophobia/transphobia and always blame "their trash country" for its rampant phobic tendencies. But then if anyone says Islam might be to blame, they call that person out as Islamaphobic. They say that "us Westerners don't get it. Islam is beautiful." Then they compare their fundamentalist to our religious fundamentalists.

It's a mind fuck. Especially, because all the Western Gen Zers who also post TOTALLY agree with them!

Socialists love collectivism, submission, and unification. And a leader to worship. Socialists of all prefixes.

Christian evangelicals are different…how? If it weren’t for the US separation of church and state, we’d be a repressive theocracy right now…and it can happen…

Kissinger says that Markle taking zillions of Muslims who don’t share the same value system is a disaster, I think he is right.

It's my understanding that the Insa institute is close to the ultra-conservative wing of the CDU and AfD. So the survey questions and results don't surprise me. The fact that BILD reported on that survey doesn't surprise me either. OP quoting from that survey without the disclaimer on the source's background makes it a troll post for me.

Dachshunds?

England is so fucked, too. Pretty shocking that thousands of White girls were raped by muslims and the English men did nothing. And they allowed 10s of thousands of muslims to immigrate every year for years. And here they are. What a bunch of pathetic "men."

R83 Oh so it's only a few thousand civilans rather than 10,000. That makes it all so much better. Can you not see how cold and deranged that sounds?

R90 Wait—this was a thing that happened?

And not for nothing, but should it really matter that the women in question were white? Would it be less enraging for Brits if the women in question were Indian or black or Asian?

R92 - the Asian grooming gangs scandals was not taken seriously because of the race if the offenders and victims.

The girls were seen as working class common slags and the men were viewed as not knowing any better.

And men in the Labour Party told one female MP ‘don’t rock the boat’ because Labour is guaranteed the Muslim vote on block.

R93 Oh wow, I had no idea (American here). I'd be interested to read more about this. Would I just google "Asian gang grooming UK"?

So these were Muslim gangs?

R14

US Muslims actually donate more to charity than other groups, according to this study.

R93, I think it is because the indigenous Europeans are cowards and fucking scared as hell of islam and the social stigma of telling the truth, let alone acting on it. There is a bit of the Stockholm Syndrome going on and European men are totally useless.

R92, they were target precisely because they were White and non-muslim. Some Sikh girls were also raped, but not nearly as many White girls. The horror of it was that it was going on for years and the authorities, who were very well aware of what was going on the whole time, did basically nothing and let all the rapes occur for years. They didn't want to appear racist or, God forgive, insult a muslim. Guess who is already ruling England.

It wasn't rape rape. The women got something out of the transaction.

White girls are at a premium when it comes to sexual assault. Bonus points if they're blonde. I thought this was common knowledge.

That was also true of the 1 - 2 million Europeans muslims abducted for slavery from countries as far north as Iceland.

True r100. We never hear about the Barbary pirates or the Barbary Wars. That was why the United States Marines was invented.

Would any Brits here kindly volunteer to summarize the details of this particular scandal for the many not-in-the-know Americans?

Like...Muslim gangs? And chavy white girls clamoring to join up? This sounds like Vice News catnip.

Or were chavy white girls just the unwilling targets?? I'm so confused...

Here's the whole story r102. The Rotherdam sex trafficking scandal.

R83 is right. It takes a long time to get an accurate body count - it only took them a couple of hours to throw out a 500 killed at the hospital - which we later found to be caused by a Hamas rocket.

R104 - that wasn't the only one. There was Rochdale and literally TENS of other sex rings in England. All muslim men going after white girls 11-16 years old. They raped them and prostituted them out.

Raping non-muslim women is not a crime, so hey - it's just a cultural thing, right?

Derby, Halifax, Huddersfield, Rochdale, Newcastle, Oxford, Telford - and those were just the larger ones.

Almost all muslim men. Literally thousands of young girls.

R50 Let's get real here, most Muslim majority countries are third-world shitholes. Most migrate (or come as refugees) due to the political situations in their home countries. They do not come here for the quote "social liberalism" of the West, they come here to live in less oppressive/dangerous situations but not out of a desire to integrate themselves with Western values. That's not to say all Muslims in the West don't integrate or aren't moderate (many first generation born in the West are less conservative), but one of my best friends who is first generation Canadian (his parents have disowned him for being gay, his father actually promising to kill him if he ever comes home) said to me once the reason most Muslims don't integrate is because they're Muslim, their religion is at the core of their identity.

R107 - and that's cult to a tee. Muslims are not allowed to think freely. They are not allowed to criticize Islam. There is no free press.

If they leave Islam, punishment is death.

They are literal slaves - and that's what Islam teaches. To be a slave to Allah.

Not saying all muslims are that bad - but it's best to be wary. They'd have no problems if you were killed. Zero.

R108, I started studying Islam and Islamic history soon after 9/11. Everything you said is true. As I learned more, the disbelief of it all grew. I now sincerely believe it is an existential threat to the rest of the world. I fear for humanity. The coming decades are going to be hell on earth, and we brought it in.

Richard Nixon, of all people, predicted that the major conflict of the 21st Century would be the West vs. Islam.

If you read about Mohammed, he was a psychotic lunatic. Not unlike Jim Jones or Charles Manson. I'm not exaggerating.

Which is why we can’t let the Christian evangelicals and nationalists increase their influence in the government in America. Seems like Europe has gotten the memo that organized religion has no place in the government.

And the Germans were always such a warm and welcoming people as well!

R30 It's "ProBLEM"

R113 - yeah - got to say - they don't exactly have a great track record of bringing in non-German immigrants and being good to them.

Hell, they didn't allow all of the Turkish workers that they brought in after WW2 to have citizenship until almost 50 years later. Their children and grand-children were born in Germany but without citizenship.

German citizenship was based on whether you had German blood - if you didn't, you weren't a German citizenship. That went on FOREVER - until like 2000, I think.

The children of immigrant parents are ‘second generation’, not first generation.

The immigrants themselves are the first generation.

R115, if I'm not mistaken, they were officially called "guest workers" from the very beginning. I don't think the Germans ever intended for them to settle there or thought they would want to stay in the first place. They were never seen as immigrants.

[quote]England is so fucked, too. Pretty shocking that thousands of White girls were raped by muslims and the English men did nothing. And they allowed 10s of thousands of muslims to immigrate every year for years. And here they are. What a bunch of pathetic "men."

R90 Is it politically incorrect to say that mainstream white liberals are such cucks.

R115 this is not true. Gastarbeiter, which have been mainly Turkish, from ex Yugoslavia countries, Greece, South Italy, Spain were not immigrants, they were people with working permits. They had temporary or permanent working permits.

After certain number of years they were allowed to ask citizenship status, but until very recently Germany didn't allow double citizenship, you must decide which one you would take. Many people decided they want to keep their own. Turks particularly, even second generation had the "identity dilemma" and were reluctant to give up their Turkish citizenship, so they welcomed the new legislation which allows them to maintain both identities.

I just asked a friend, whose uncle have been working and living in Germany since the 70s. The uncle has maintained Croatian citizenship and his kids who have been born in Germany and have lived there all their lives, chose their citizenship, two decided to take German citizenship, one wanted to have Croatian.

So Turks have not been treated differently than European workers.

How easy it is to manipulate and spread fake news.

Sorry, the law allowing dual citizenship has not been passed yet. It is still a draft.

The article says: Esad Sahin has lived in Germany for 10 years but is still not a German citizen. The reason: a strict ban on dual nationality that would have obliged him to surrender his Turkish passport.

That was never an option for him. “It’s part of my identity,” he said. “I wanted to become part of German society, but not at the price of my Turkish citizenship.”

Soon he will not have to face such a dilemma. The German parliament is close to passing a nationality law that will make it much easier for foreigners to acquire German citizenship.

Living in Germany, it truly is depressing what has occurred in the 10 years since I first arrived. No, there aren’t no-go zones per se, but even in the smallest of villages you see young Muslim men of working age just walking around, smoking, and yelling into their phones. They also steal anything that isn’t nailed down…all while collecting benefits. They really are the worst.

Muslims cause more fucking problems, they won't be happy until they blow up the whole damn world.

[quote]German citizenship was based on whether you had German blood - if you didn't, you weren't a German citizenship. That went on FOREVER - until like 2000, I think.

This is how most of Europe viewed citizenship. It’s not strictly a German thing.

As I explained R124, false, the poster was distorting the truth. Foreign workers could acquire German citizenship after some 8 years, I think. But they would have to renounce their own, which most of them didn't want to do.

The same rule applied to children who had one German and other foreign parent and had dual citizenship. Once they reached 18, they had to make a choice.

That seems more than fair, R125.

If you want to be German? Then be German. If you don't? Stay Turkish.

Not only that R115 is spreading false information, but Germany and other European countries are going out of their way not to offend the Muslim immigrants.

A kindergarten in north-eastern Germany named after Anne Frank, one of the most well-known victims of the Holocaust, is set to be renamed in accordance with the wishes of parents from “migrant backgrounds. After 50 years of association with the famous Jewish name, the kindergarten in the village of Tangerhütte said that it wanted a more "diverse" identification.

R127, and where did you obtain the information was in accordance with the *wishes of parents* from migrant backgrounds? From the article you linked:

“According to local media, the head of the kindergarten felt that parents with a migrant background did not understand the name. "We wanted something that had no political connotations", said Schichor.”

What you claimed is a bald-faced lie.

[quote]England is so fucked, too. Pretty shocking that thousands of White girls were raped by muslims and the English men did nothing. And they allowed 10s of thousands of muslims to immigrate every year for years. And here they are. What a bunch of pathetic "men."

[quote][R90] Is it politically incorrect to say that mainstream white liberals are such cucks.

The Pakistani grooming gangs is a bit more complex than that.

Firstly the "looking away" was not *JUST* done because the rapists were Pakistani muslims, it's because the teenager girls were considered rough slags. Remember this is the country where Rolling Stone Bill Wyman "dated" a 13 year old girl when he was in his 40s. The references to the missing girl at the start of the active "People who just disappeared" thread shows that not much has changed - Dataloungers discussing a 13 year old girl "turning tricks". Vile.

A lot of WOMEN understood what was going on with the girls and the gang nature of targeting and recruiting girls and tried to raise it with authorities but a lot of people didn't care. Because the girls were rough slags who put it about for drink and drugs. The BBC's Three Girls drama covers this from multiple angles.

Where the race of the abusers did come in to it was when politicians got involved - at council level (responsible for the provision of social services) and at national government level. Labour has always courted the Muslim vote (see the responses to Israel/Palestine now) and their initial response was dismiss "Asian grooming gangs" as far right hate whipped up by the media. There was also the case of councils not wanting to acknowledge that their social services departments were failing kids.

And then at national level, Labour was run mostly by men who wanted to consolidate power. In 2001 there were race riots in Bradford and Burnley, the home of Alistair Campbell, Tony Blair's right hand man. The issue of immigration and inclusion was strictly off limits and anyone who spoke about was "enabling the far right". When local MP Ann Cryer tried to raise the issue with the Labour government she was told "don't rock the boat". There were begrudging changes to the law but Labour were at great pains to point out it wasn't a muslim/Pakistani issue.

Agreed. I don't want them and their fucking Sharia Law here either.

R3 Yes, if 1 in 4 Canadians are willing to openly say they don't trust Muslims in poll, you can believe that number is much, much higher in reality. Although there is one interesting twist to all this based on recent polls which show that in Quebec, which is probably the most openly anti-Islamic province in the country, there is a razor slim majority of support for Palestine, whereas the rest of the country polls as being pro-Israel. Then again, it is Quebec and Quebec rarely makes sense.

R129 - obviously there was a lot of blame to be put on the police in every one of those places with the grooming gangs and rapes. And yes many, but not all, of the girls were from unstable backgrounds - that's who they target.

But put blame where it belongs - onto these men! Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham, Norwich, Burnley, High Wycombe, Leicester, Dewsbury, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Bristol, Halifax, Newcastle, Huddersfield, and Hull - that's only a partial list.

Muslim culture turns men into these perverts and sexual deviants because rape is somehow justified if a woman isn't accompanied or protected by a man or family member. Literally women are open game - and raping non-Muslim women is OK by them.

Many western countries have to teach Muslim male immigrants not to sexually harass or assault women on the street.

R132, I didn't think my post absolved muslim men of the crimes of gang rape, child abuse, abduction, kidnapping etc.

My post was about the "cover up" or white people "enabling" muslim men.

R133 - agreed, and there's still all this cover-up to not offend when gvt reports come out stating that the vast majority of child sex crimes are committed by white men.

Ok - yes, makes sense in a country still largely populated by white people. But that doesn't discount the gang-grooming by mainly Pakistani immigrants.

They want to 'keep it in perspective' in a broader category of child abuse - but it's fucking not. Thousands of girls in just one of the cases were abused - it's not a 1:1 crime here.

Obviously nobody wants this to cast a bad shadow on other immigrants - but you can't just sweep it under the rug in case some group gets offended.

R132. I'd say start with forced castration of these bastards.

I wonder what would've happened if those grooming gangs had been in the US.

R132. I'd say start with forced castration of these bastards.

In all seriousness, anyone else feel like we're heading towards mass civil unrest in the West?

R138, Muslims are going to continue to push for the west to accommodate them and change laws to that effect. Liberals will go along with it - the multicultural dogma is so strong I don't think even unrest is going to wake them up in Europe.

Unfortunately I think r139 is right. Everybody is so terrified of being called racist and culturally insensitive even in the face of a barbaric Medieval culture and way of thinking and living life.

I've said this before on DL but if Muslims were lily white Anglo Saxons the West would have no time for their bullshit. They'd be told to fuck off just as liberal Westerners do to Evangelical Christians.

R138, in the long run, no. The West has undermined every opposing culture that it has ever encountered. Resistance is futile.

r 138 My brother just told me today that he's been stocking up on ammo. He's a leftie so I'm not sure what he was talking about and he was vague in his responses...

[quote]Everybody is so terrified of being called racist and culturally insensitive even in the face of a barbaric Medieval culture and way of thinking and living life.

I think Italy will push back. They elected that right-winger Meloni partially for this reason.

I think October 7th was a turning point. Many people in the west are waking up to what is really going on. The msm can promote whatever narrative they want, the islamic terrorists proudly videoed and showed the world who they are and what is at the core of their religion.

There are going to be islamic terrorist attacks in the west, crime and social unrest, more demands based on sharia that are counter to western values, law enforcement will remain pretty much useless, and groups will emerge to take care of things. None of this will be pleasant, but it seems inevitable.

^^^this will all take place in Europe which has basically tried to commit cultural suicide be importing a vastly different culture by the 10s of millions in the space of 20 years for reasons that are unclear. The muslim population in the US is still quite small despite the same large importation since 2001.

It’s clear a lot of progressives are comfortable with the anti Jewish hate that is becoming normalised through Islam. Jews are of course money obsessed manipulative powerful white supremacists and progressives hate all that stuff!

Gays are next for Islam and the conservative pushback against drag queen story hour and rainbow flags and inclusive sex education is already emboldening them.

Then it will be women’s rights - abortion and forced sex segregation.

R147 The far-left (particularly people under the age of 30) have become completely indoctrinated with the narrative that anyone who is white (or white passing) is evil, that white people are colonizers. Most Jews are white, therefore evil. Of course what they don't seem to understand is that Jews are native to the Middle East, that the "Land of Israel" dates back to biblical times, that many Jews were slaughtered or forced out of the Middle East by Islamic aggression, etc. I have a 24 year old co-worker who is a "Queer for Palestine." He didn't believe me when I pointed out to him that Hamas likes to nose dive gays off buildings and that queer people died along side Jews during the holocaust

Many Gastarbeiters were hot in a swarthy retro sorta way.

Same thing with many of the guest workers from North Africa (Chibanis) that came to France during the same period.

^^^I think that is poster about the dangers of inbreeding

Western European countries were idiots to import so many Muslims.

R147, Eric Weinstein said the rhetoric is normalizing genocide and often the precursor before it actually happens. These are very insane, dangerous times.

There's a lot of Turkish people in Germany and they seem to be blending in.

There's a comedy series about that.

R153 I can't remember who said it but basically history repeatedly shows that once antisemitism becomes mainstream, it usually leads to some form of massive violence against virtually every minority group.

R148 Don't forgot that during the 30s and early 40s, it was through "progressives" that the Nazis were able to gain a shocking amount of support in Europe and even America until Pearl Harbor.

Unfortunately I think we've been on course for massive instability and potential violence for years now. The situation in the middle east is proving to be the straw that breaks the camel's back. The far-left has now jumped into the bed with ultra-conservative Islamist much as progressives jumped into bed with the Nazis during the 30s. Anyone who shows an ounce of concern for Jews, for Western Values, for Israel, or questions the logic of things like women or queer folks walking arm in arm with Hamas supports, are deemed ultra-right radicals.

This is going to blow up in Europe first than North America. It's basically only a matter of time now.

I'm in Canada and rolling my eyes at the narrative on most new stations here about a rise in both antisemitism and islamophobia. And while in Canada a synagogue was firebombed (failed thankfully), a Jewish school has been shot at twice, jewish students have been attacked at several universities in Canada, there hasn't been a single incident of any violence against Muslims.

If you read about the life of Mohammed he was a psychotic, homicidal, genocidal, child raping monster. And this is the man who their prophet is, and who they follow and believe is perfect. He was basically like Jim Jones or Charles Manson, the man was beyond sick and twisted. There was nothing "peace and love" about him like there was with Jesus Christ.

What an inanely fucked up belief system. But of course we're not allowed to criticize it because that would be racist and culturally insensitive.

I agree r155. It is going to blow up.

Richard Nixon, of all people, predicted that the great conflict of the 21st Century would the the West vs. Islam.

[quote]I think Italy will push back.

Italians have very low tolerance for Muslim bullshit.

^^^Where's Tony Soprano when ya need him?

[quote]Italians have very low tolerance for Muslim bullshit.

The Moors ruled Sicily and part of Southern Italy for almost 200 years. They were hated and when the Normans invaded Sicily all Muslims were thrown out.

While this is supposed to be satire it's sadly very true.

Sikhs & Hindus attacking each other in Brampton, Ontario, Canada.

R148, liberal Jews as a group have up till now been fully on the "End Whiteness" bandwagon. I guess most think of themselves as not-white, and therefore exempt from being ended.

However, I'm not sure the pro-Palestinian/"Decolonization" crowd is making the distinction between Evil Whiteys and Good, Liberal, Progressive Jews.

So true R164, all this anti white bigotry has been sponsored by rich and upper middle class liberal Jews. I believe that were not aware that, eventually they would be perceived as white supremacists.

There are 2 distinct groups here - liberal Jews who can "pass" as white and who appreciate they don't experience the same racism as black and Asian people and who support liberal causes like women's rights, black rights, gay rights because it's part of their DNA. I know very few liberal Jews who support Netanyahu and many attended protests that were regularly taking place against his supreme court overhaul plans.

They have some similarities with the far left "anti Zionist" Jews who are consumed by ideology. They believe in white privilege, white supremacy, they despise Israel (despite going on holiday there) and have massively contrarian views to the mainstream Jewish groups and give cover to the extreme antisemites.

I've seen so many comments from Liberal Jews mocking the "Rabbis for Peace" parade held with AOC, Omar, Tlaib etc where they can't read Hebrew, and have put on the black Tefillin straps on their arms in a way that has nothing to do with tradition. They might have Jewish DNA but they have no relationship with the Jewish faith and are cosplaying.

This video is one of Jeremy Corbyn's most high profile "Jewish" anti Israel defenders.

R166 but they tend to believe that trailer park white Christians have the white privilege , not their lazy entitled upper class asses prancing around on the Ivy league universities until daddy finds them some good high income job.

I've never met a white supremacist in my life, but, according to people like R166, they are under every bed and behind every tree.

It's easy to be blind to white supremacy when you're not a named enemy of it, R168.

R167 Right. If there's one thing Jews are known for, it's laziness and privilege. That's why they're the most educated, accomplished ethnic/religious group the world over. I mean, history CLEARLY shows Jews have been blindly handed their success for thousands of years.

R170 I meant upper class liberal golden kids who are playing progressives until they graduate and parents find them position in Goldman sachs or Blackrock.

Germany has the real left lead by charismatic Sahra Wagenknecht, not the "progressive" identitarian left sponsored by billionaires. Of course that the corporate shills that call themselves left accuse her of being populist. She has set up the new party which has surged to around 20% in national polls.

“It is easier to regulate speech,” Sahra once said , “than to raise the minimum wage.”

Corporate "left" is scared of her. They are accusing her of having far right anti immigration politics.

But Wagenknecht (who is herself half Iranian) knows how the uncontrolled mass migration which feeds the corporate hunger for cheap working force, destroys the social cohesion and the poorest communities pay the tall. It is so easy for upper class liberals in their shielded neighborhoods, with their high income jobs, to be generous.

Our country is completely overburdened,” she said, adding that Germany lacked 700,000 flats, and tens of thousands of teachers and day care centre places. “To allow massive immigration in such a situation is just irresponsible.”

pay the toll*

R171 Upper class liberal Jews?

A good news story!

The number of people in Bradford's Pakistani community who have married a cousin has fallen sharply in the past 10 years, a study suggests. Higher educational attainment, new family dynamics and changes in immigration rules are thought to be possible reasons.