The world has always hated Jews. The world will always continue to hate Jews. The vast majority of these people suddenly supporting the Palestinian cause have never said a fucking word about it before two weeks ago. And they certainly wouldn’t give two shits if it weren’t for social media. Brace yourselves. Kristallnacht 2.0 is underway, and this time it’s global.
Let’s just admit it. This is not about supporting Palestinians, this is about hating Jews. And you know it.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||November 19, 2023 1:15 AM|
There is far more Islamophobia in the US than antisemitism
Just ask that 6-year-old who was killed by a right-winger who listened to crap on conservative talk radio about the "day of Jihad" that never happened
|by Anonymous||reply 1||October 31, 2023 7:25 PM|
The vast majority of conservatives who "support Israel" couldn't find Israel on a map
|by Anonymous||reply 2||October 31, 2023 7:26 PM|
Well, OP, what are you going to do? The people have made up their mind and they support terrorism over modernity.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||October 31, 2023 7:28 PM|
The world hates gay men, Jewish people aren't even a blip on the radar. Maybe lately, but that's about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||October 31, 2023 7:31 PM|
OP’s 534th thread on this topic.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||October 31, 2023 7:33 PM|
I don’t hate Jews. I don’t hate, as a whole, any group of people, although Trumpers really, really try that.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||October 31, 2023 7:42 PM|
The ugliness I've seen mainly from the leftists since October 7th has been out of control, these people are truly the MAGA of the left. Even those who don't outright come out against Israel start lecturing me on how American evangelicals only support Israel because of some prophecy nonsense. Bitch, I'm an atheist who isn't American, what has that got to do with me? Are you seriously implying I'm against Hamas only because I've been brainwashed by some scripture through osmosis?
I'm not Jewish, but I can't imagine what it must feel like for Jews to be seeing all these stealth antisemites coming out of the woodwork, all because those "helpless little brown Palestinians" are now rightfully paying the price for holding a bacchanalia with Jewish corpses in the streets.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||October 31, 2023 7:42 PM|
Zionists: “Israel IS Jews. We are inseparable. “
Israel does horrible things
People criticize the horrible things
Zionists: ANTISEMITES ONE AND ALL!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||October 31, 2023 7:47 PM|
[quote] OP’s 534th thread on this topic.
It’s off his meds Anscher as usual. I laughed when someone recently claimed, preposterously, that he doesn’t post here anymore.
The funny thing about Zionist boosters on social media is, like trumpkins, they have to lie and distort to make their message sympathetic. If they really told what’s going on in Palestine, no one would support them.
But they’ve done that very successfully, for decades, in the West. Well, those days are over, and they’re in full-blown panic mode. They’re down to their last defense - “if you criticize Israel you must be an antisemite.”
|by Anonymous||reply 9||October 31, 2023 7:53 PM|
Kind of hard to believe that such a small minority of 16 million has the power to oppress over 1.5 BILLION people, all while controlling the media and establishing a new world order.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||October 31, 2023 7:56 PM|
Hating Jews for trapping 2.2 million people including at least 1 million children in an open air prison and dropping bombs on their heads everyday, sure. However you want to put it.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||October 31, 2023 7:57 PM|
Why did the Palestinians have so many kids in that environment over the past 20 years?
For me, it would suggest this entire group has a profound lack of foresight.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||October 31, 2023 8:00 PM|
There no such thing as Islamophobia. It's rational to be afraid of Muslims.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||October 31, 2023 8:01 PM|
R11, can you clarify “trapping”? How can Israel do this when they don’t control the border with Egypt? Do you consider Egypt equally culpable?
This was actually a sticking point in the Israel withdrawal from Gaza. Sharon wanted to maintain a sliver that would serve as a barrier to getting out, but was talked out of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||October 31, 2023 8:02 PM|
WWII was pure German hatred, too. They didn't do nothing
|by Anonymous||reply 15||October 31, 2023 8:06 PM|
Why was it Egypt didn’t want Palestinians coming in? What about the other Arab countries— why is it that they haven’t evacuated the Palestinians to the safety of their own people?
I can’t remember the reason given here; it’s been awhile since I tuned in.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||October 31, 2023 8:09 PM|
R11, it’s not “Jews” who do that, but you knew that already, and you’ve just posted to help mental Matt make his “point.”
|by Anonymous||reply 17||October 31, 2023 8:12 PM|
I mean it seems obvious that other Arab countries would do that, doesn’t it?
I’m having a hard time squaring how the other Arab countries aren’t bringing them to safety, yet it is supposed to be Israel and the West’s job to protect them when the attack came from Palestine, regardless if it was a special group of Palestinians.
It seems like a lot to ask of a nation whose civilian citizens were brutally ambushed and killed by that side.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||October 31, 2023 8:14 PM|
[quote] Israel does horrible things
Falsely accusing Israel of doing “horrible” things, instead of acknowledging the reality that horrible things like the recent terrorist attack are done to Israel and Jews, is where the antisemitism comes in.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||October 31, 2023 8:15 PM|
[quote] How can Israel do this when they don’t control the border with Egypt?
Israel does control it, first of all. Egypt is heavily reliant on aid from the USA, and we have made it abundantly clear that the Egyptians can’t do anything to undermine Israel’s apartheid regime in Gaza — or else. Egypt is our bought and paid for whore.
Also, why should Gazans be driven off their land? Why should the West Bank be emptied of Palestinians? Let’s remember — ITS THEIR LAND. This is why the land stealers occupy and oppress — to make life unbearable for the Palestinians so they will leave. Fuck that.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||October 31, 2023 8:17 PM|
[quote] Falsely accusing Israel of doing “horrible” things,
Matt Anscher is a liar, example # three million and eleven.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||October 31, 2023 8:18 PM|
[quote] Also, why should Gazans be driven off their land?
Because if they don’t leave their kids will die?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||October 31, 2023 8:19 PM|
[quote] There is far more Islamophobia in the US than antisemitism
Maybe that's about the way Islam treats women and other minorities, and how they rule millions through tribal autocracies that leave no room for independent thinking.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||October 31, 2023 8:20 PM|
r18, the Arab countries are using the Palestinians and Gaza as bait to start WW3.
My head is spinning at how the US has become rabidly anti-Israel.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||October 31, 2023 8:23 PM|
If I hated Jews I wouldn't expend so much energy giving them head.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||October 31, 2023 8:29 PM|
R20, your post is a logical contortion. You assert without evidence that the US prohibits Egypt from opening its border to inflict maximum cruelty on Gazans. And yet the US donates hundreds of millions a year to Palestinian aid.
Also? What evidence do you have that Israelis even want Gazan land? They gave it up and paid a shitload to move settlers and even synagogues.
Israel is so far from blameless, as is the US. But posts like yours, which basically paint the US and Israel as a villain ready to murder any Palestinian, are so ridiculously wrong. This makes real accountability to actually help the Palestinians impossible.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||October 31, 2023 8:31 PM|
R20 is it really their land?? Or land that they occupied and took from the native hebrews centuries? Or maybe they just started to inmigrate to that zone in the1800’s as archeological evidence shows.
If these Palestinians were there centuries ago how is it possible that they have zero archeological records, nothing!!!!! No ancient texts, government and officials such as chiefs, or zultans etcs, or currencies, nothing.
All the last names of palestinians comes from egypt, south arabia, yemen etc. Now you would say that these were native Christians and jews that converted to islam and changed their lasts names, but why is it that other populations that coverted to islam retain their etnic last names such as chechens, turks, indonisians etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||October 31, 2023 8:44 PM|
R12 here again. Why did they have so many kids in the years since they elected Hamas? They don’t seem to like their kids very much with 90% of Palestinian kids suffering child abuse. Without a reasonable explanation of that, these people seem unbelievably stupid.
Someone here said that the Palestinians elected Hamas because the other party had some funny business with money, which seems like an overcorrection to put it mildly. And now the Palestinians are all “we didn’t know Hamas would be this bad, we’re the victims, too!” or whatever, yet they continued having kids— had a SHIT TON of kids since being under Hamas, the government they elected.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||October 31, 2023 8:56 PM|
[quote]The vast majority of conservatives who "support Israel" couldn't find Israel on a map
And college kids chanting From The River To The Sea don't know what river or what sea.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||October 31, 2023 8:58 PM|
Also, were all the men gathering around the Hamas trucks cheering and videoing dead or dying women from the concert Hamas, too?
The people lining the streets cheering as the bloodied victims were paraded through the crowds, they were all Hamas not just regular old loving, compassionate and civic-minded Palestinians?
Even the young boys gathering around the terrorists, they were all Hamas?
I’m just trying to keep this straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||October 31, 2023 9:03 PM|
Yeah Israel is totally blameless. Sure Jan.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||October 31, 2023 9:08 PM|
I don’t know whether you’re talking to me R31, but your reply doesn’t answer any of my questions.
Since you’re here right now, do you want to take a stab at it?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||October 31, 2023 9:11 PM|
R28 For a couple of reasons. For one thing, most Muslims aren’t that bright, which is why they adhere to this disgusting religion in the first place, instead of leaving it. Which leads to the next point, which is that the religion encourages people to have a shit load of kids, so that in the future, they will be able to spread Islam to the rest of the world. Now, they find themselves in this toxic situation, where daily life is very difficult, and there are way too many kids to take care of, which leads to stress. Add to this the fact that uneducated people tend to abuse their kids more because they don’t know how to properly handle things like discipline.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||October 31, 2023 9:13 PM|
What is about hating Jews.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||October 31, 2023 9:15 PM|
R4 is extremely stupid
|by Anonymous||reply 35||October 31, 2023 9:18 PM|
R33, well where was the international outrage when these same children were being married off, beaten, raped, sold, radicalized by being exposed to extreme violence, etc. y the hands of their fellow Palestinians, indeed their own families all these years?
|by Anonymous||reply 36||October 31, 2023 9:19 PM|
R32 just because I don’t agree with Netanyahu’s actions doesn’t mean I hate all Jews. That would be like calling me a magat because I live in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||October 31, 2023 9:20 PM|
Oh, I didn’t say you hated all Jews. That wasn’t me.
I was asking if you could answer R30 or R28, or R12, specifically, since you’re here in this thread at the moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||October 31, 2023 9:23 PM|
[quote] which is that the religion encourages people to have a shit load of kids
Have you ever met any ultra orthodox Jews? Two sides of the same coin, and a pox on both their houses.
"“For anyone who adds a soul to the Jewish people is considered as if he built an entire world.”
|by Anonymous||reply 39||October 31, 2023 9:25 PM|
Palestinians have a million kids because they subjugate and humiliate their women. To whomever, above, I forgot the reply number.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||October 31, 2023 9:26 PM|
So do ultra Orthodox Jews r40
|by Anonymous||reply 41||October 31, 2023 9:28 PM|
R38 I don’t need to answer your question. This thread is about hating Jews, which I do not. Move along.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||October 31, 2023 9:29 PM|
16 million Jews versus 1-1/2 billion Muslims, R39. One group seems to take that way more seriously than the other.
Furthermore, Orthodox Jews are a minority of Jews, the majority of Jews are secular or “high holy days” Jews. However, the majority of Muslims are NOT secular, and on the contrary a high percentage is rabidly religious.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||October 31, 2023 9:30 PM|
Oh Ok, R42. You don’t have a fundamental understanding of it so you can’t offer much more than slogans- got it!
Thank you for your effort.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||October 31, 2023 9:34 PM|
Thank you R43. I appreciate you pointing this out. This is that same stupid argument that Islam apologists make about “well, there are Christian terrorists who blow up abortion clinics.” Yeah, that is an extremely rare occurrence.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||October 31, 2023 9:39 PM|
R13, 99% of Muslims have never hurt anyone.
What did that murdered 6-year-old ever do to you?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||October 31, 2023 9:39 PM|
R7, it wasn't "leftists" who had dinner with Kanye and Nick Fuentes....that was Trump
It wasn't leftists marching around saying "Jews will not replace us"....that was Republicans
|by Anonymous||reply 47||October 31, 2023 9:40 PM|
R40, if you want to see women being subjugated, look at the Duggars and their "quiverfull" brethren
But those are white Republicans, so.....
|by Anonymous||reply 48||October 31, 2023 9:41 PM|
R23, Mike Johnson and his fellow Republicans hate you for being a fag.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||October 31, 2023 9:42 PM|
This may have been true 3 weeks ago. The world is now paying very close attention as Gaza is being destroyed and thousands of innocent children are dying and being maimed in the process. The videos of dead and mangled small children are all over Twitter and IG. So whatever the underlying motivation is of people to stop Israel's bombing and attack campaign on Gaza, the end goal is to stop innocent civilians from being killed on a daily basis. And for anyone worrying about Israel's safety, there are plenty of intelligent and informed observers who say Netanyahu isn't accomplishing anything other than turning the city into rubble and killing thousands. Plenty of families of those hostages agree.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||October 31, 2023 9:42 PM|
R46, if 99% of Muslims never hurt anyone, that leaves 1%.
One percent of 1-1/2 billion Muslims is FIFTEEN MILLION Muslims.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||October 31, 2023 9:43 PM|
R48, so because there’s some lunatic fringe Christians, that justifies mainstream Muslim behavior toward women and children and anyone else they don’t like? That makes them OK by you?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||October 31, 2023 9:59 PM|
[quote]And college kids chanting From The River To The Sea don't know what river or what sea.
R29 I hope you're right, and maybe in some cases you are. Because the full meaning of this phrase is to cleanse all the land between the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea of Jews. Its basically asking for Holocaust II
I really hope those college kids dont know that, but it says something for the poor state of education worldwide if they dont. The ugly reality is most of them DO know..... which supports what OP is saying.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||October 31, 2023 10:40 PM|
R27 Is any land really anyone's? It was here long before any of us and will be here long after we're all gone.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||October 31, 2023 11:23 PM|
I’m in deep red Texas and half the churches here do the “all are welcome here” and or rainbow flag stuff.
Never seen that at the mosques around here. No siree, Bob!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||October 31, 2023 11:35 PM|
Some people here are confusing Orthodox with Ultra Orthodox. "Orthodox" Jews are called Modern Orthodox these days as they quite separate from the Ultra Orthodox. They are still very religious (or "frum"), but they aren't in insular communities, they dress in modern clothing, are highly educated, have professional, secular careers (lots of doctors/lawyers/dentists/finance/wall street types), have egalitarian gender roles, and are more embracing of social justice, science, and social progress than the Ultra Orthodox. They do not have a higher number of children than the average secular Jew or non-Jew. Still quite conservative, but not fundamentalist. You can be an openly gay MO, but you can't talk about having sex with your partner cause they still consider that part a technical sin (although lesbian sex seems to be far less frowned upon?) But these days, it's kind of don't ask, don't tell. There are also a surprising number of atheist MO's.
The Ultra Orthodox (also known as the Haredi) are the fundamentalists, and are the fastest growing sect amongst the Jewish population simply because there's virtually no interfaith marriage and they have a fairly high birth rate. The Satmars are the largest Hasidic branch and they are vehemently anti-Zionist (it's a long story why) and are the last of the Yiddish speaking Jews. The reason they have so many children is because the Hasidim were almost entirely wiped out during the Holocaust. They see it as part of their religious and cultural duty to replace those that were lost in the Shoah. I could talk a LOT about the Hasidim as they are an equally horrible and fascinating bunch. The Satmars were the group that were featured in the show 'Unorthodox'.
Below the Modern Orthodox are Conservatives (still a bit traditional religiously, but gay marriage friendly), Reform (super progressive—I'm Reform and our Rabbi is a Lesbian), Reconstructionist (basically the "choose your own adventure" when it comes to Halachic law bunch), Humanistic (non-theist) and then Secular/non-practicing. These five groups make up the largest population of Jews, both Israeli and diaspora.
There is NO Jewish sect however, no matter how fundamentalist, that believes in murdering its women or gays. And Judaism is halachically (Jewish law) pro-choice. Jews do not believe life begins until the 1st breath is taken. For that reason, the mother's physical and mental health is always the first priority.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||October 31, 2023 11:57 PM|
^ *Correction, the Haredi are not the fastest growing sect, just relatively fast growing. Secular Jews are actually the fastest growing sect.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||November 1, 2023 12:00 AM|
R56 Thank you for that extremely well informed (and informative) reply. I'll Google them Satmars, its interesting that there are a few Jewish sects that are anit-Zionist, particularly after what the went through in the Shoah.
Not Jewish but I got Jewish friends. Not many Jews down here more's the pity, they's a civilising influence
|by Anonymous||reply 58||November 1, 2023 1:19 AM|
[quote] Because if they don’t leave their kids will die?
Say it correctly;
Gazans should leave or the Israelis will murder their children.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||November 1, 2023 3:05 AM|
It’s only a “logical contortion” if you’re a simpleminded black and white thinker. In the real world, the US can give token money to Palestine to create the impression in the Muslim world of “impartiality” but still completely back Israel.
[quote] Foreign aid. Peace has earned Egypt extensive aid from Washington. Cairo annually receives $1.3 billion in U.S. military assistance and $250 million in economic assistance. According to the Congressional Research Service, Egypt has accrued $69 billion from the United States since 1979, while Israel has gained $98 billion. In fact, the two countries have been the largest recipients of U.S. foreign aid since 1979.
Does the US give almost two billion dollars a year to the Palestinians, r26? Who need the money far more than Egypt does? No, they give about $120 million a year, less than a tenth what they give Egypt.
I’d love to be able to twilight zone you into Gaza right now, or even the West Bank, where the land stealers push more Palestinians off their village land every year. But you know what? Even if I could, and even if you came back and talked about it, you’d still peddle your “both sides” bullshit like you did in the above post. “Oh the Israelis might inconvenience some Palestinians occasionally, but it’s so ridiculously wrong to find any pattern.”
I wonder what this little girl, pulled from the rubble that used to be her home, would say to that, r26?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||November 1, 2023 3:25 AM|
[quote] [R20] is it really their land?? Or land that they occupied and took from the native hebrews centuries?
That’s nonsense, Anscher, and you know it. It was the Roman-Jewish Wars that turned the Jews into a diaspora.
[quote] The Jewish–Roman wars had a devastating impact on the Jewish people, transforming them from a major population in the Eastern Mediterranean into a dispersed and persecuted minority.
And then, the old Joan Peters canard rears its ugly head:
[quote]Or maybe they just started to inmigrate to that zone in the1800’s as archeological evidence shows.
Joan Peters’ propaganda is not “archaeological evidence.” It’s been meticulously and conclusively debunked by Norman Finkelstein, and by the leading Israeli historian on Palestinian history at the time, Yehoshua Porath.
I do love how Anscher throws anything he can find up against the wall trying to find something that might stick. You see, the Palestinians drove the Jews out centuries ago, but those same Palestinians just skulked in five minutes ago = Zionist “logic” at its finest.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||November 1, 2023 3:43 AM|
[quote]It’s off his meds Anscher as usual.
Why don't you two just fuck? The chemistry is undeniable.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||November 1, 2023 4:15 AM|
[quote]I wonder what this little girl, pulled from the rubble that used to be her home, would say to that,
How about we ask her to read this article about the Kibbutz family that was brutally tortured before being killed? They were forced to watch each other be mutilated first. Perhaps that will give her some perspective on why the Israelis are going so hard on rooting out the barbaric Hamas leaders that are hiding next door to her and her family.
We can all agree that this is awful. Do you have any other ideas on how the IDF can eliminate Hamas members?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||November 1, 2023 5:08 AM|
R59, however you want to put it— I’m not arguing about that. The end is the same.
But most parents would take their kids and GTFO. Ensuring the survival of one’s offspring has been the motivation for migration since the beginning of time.
But this is an odd bunch!
Not only did they have a shit ton of kids during these Hamas years, despite their circumstances, they’re going to make the kids stay and die as a matter of principle?
They seem real fucked up to me. Collectively.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||November 1, 2023 6:07 AM|
[quote] How about we ask her to read this article about the Kibbutz family that was brutally tortured before being killed?
And people want to give those monsters from Gaza their own country from which to do more inhuman acts.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||November 1, 2023 6:38 AM|
Curiously, the numbers provided by the Gazan Ministry do not distinguish between combatants and civilians. Equally strange, the combatants do not wear uniforms, which is required by international law. It’s almost as if they want to maximize the number of civilian deaths as well as the perceived number of civilian deaths.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||November 1, 2023 11:27 AM|
R56 Thanks for this post. I found it really useful because whenever people say things like "Why would you support any Palestinians? They hate you for being gay!" I automatically think "Do all Palestinians hate us? And do all Jewish people love the gays?"
It's a rhetorical question really because I get there will always be a variance of views within those who are religious - ie there are those who follow it to the letter and use that as an excuse to be homophobic (often extremely so) but then there are others who pick the 'good' parts from religion (as they see them) and ignore the nastier parts like homophobia.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||November 1, 2023 12:12 PM|
R56, do Jew believe in heaven like the Christians do? I've heard conflicting things.
Why believe in God if there is no heaven?
|by Anonymous||reply 68||November 1, 2023 12:15 PM|
[quote] do Jew believe in heaven like the Christians do?
I like when the apostle Paul was brought before the Sanhedrin and he figured out a way to get away from them:
Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. I stand on trial because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead."
When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided.
(The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all.)
There was a great uproar, and some of the teachers of the law who were Pharisees stood up and argued vigorously. "We find nothing wrong with this man," they said. "What if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?"
The dispute became so violent that the commander was afraid Paul would be torn to pieces by them. He ordered the troops to go down and take him away from them by force and bring him into the barracks.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||November 1, 2023 3:57 PM|
It's just creepy, morally corrupt Bibi trying to cover his latest affair or scandal. He's the Jewish Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||November 1, 2023 4:04 PM|
Is this a first? An opening thread deleted for trolling, but not before getting 44 separate likes – on the subject of hating Jews somehow being "normal" – within the first 24 hours?
Also, it's with massive irony that I suggest the OP get off the fucking cross already. This constant persecution-complex / victim-mentality shit – which we STILL see even among us ordinary American queers – is exceedingly tiresome. The world doesn't "hate Jews," but unlike the US, the rest of the developed world mostly considered Israel to be the aggressor, and (correctly IMO) refer to Jewish "settlements" in places like East Palestine as "occupations." I'm chagrined that we're *still* seeing these lazy-ass "any criticism of Jews is criticism of Israel" bullshit posts.
What "this" is *actually* about: responding to an entirely unconscionable attack against 1,400 innocent Israelis, but Israeli supporters simply refusing to acknowledge that this attack didn't "come out of nowhere," but – rather – was the direct result of a 17-year Gaza blockade (on top of a 56-year occupation) and Bibi's explicit, and continued, refusal to consider a two-state solution. It's also about Bibi's Trump-esque refusal to EVER admit he was wrong, coupled with his abject lack of empathy even for his *own* people's safety, let alone anyone outside of Israel.
What it's also about: likely the end of the longtime "special relationship" between the U.S. & Israel. Biden explicitly walked back his "unwavering alliance" with Israel in his Oval Office address, where he wisely acknowledged how badly the U.S. fucked up after 9/11, and advised Israel to avoid a similar fate. Blinken's done the same. But Israel isn't listening and isn't likely to start doing so. Once the civilian casualties start piling up – and this could very well happen by the end of the month – the world's likely to turn on Israel, including many (or most) of the mainstream American Democrats who've been some of their strongest allies to date.
I know this'll likely get buried in the war's aftermath, but Bibi followed Trump as well as Putin down the road to totalitarianism, given his much-protested plan to "overhaul" Israel's judicial system (basically to give himself a veto, particularly over his own crimes - sound familiar?). In doing so, he – also like Trump – let his eye off the ball, and the most highly secured country on Earth not named North Korea was easily invaded with little more than wire cutters & bulldozers. And now the whole world will pay some degree of cost.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||November 1, 2023 4:26 PM|
Fascist regime Israel is losing control of the narrative. Negotiating in bad faith and slaughtering Palestinians for decades while pretending to be astonished at the rage directed against their satanic project, now moving into genocide.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||November 1, 2023 4:46 PM|
^ Hamas spokesman
|by Anonymous||reply 73||November 1, 2023 5:32 PM|
[quote]do Jew believe in heaven like the Christians do? I've heard conflicting things.
It's kind of a long answer, but the most simplistic one is, no we don't subscribe to any official afterlife—certainly not "Hell" (that is a uniquely Christian invention). The reason is that the Tanach (the Hebrew bible) doesn't make any explicit mention of an afterlife. It's quite vague about it, so it's more of a an intellectual/philosophical debate than anything. Most Jews believe that when you're dead, you're dead, that's it. Some believe in some form of reincarnation (particularly those who study the more esoteric elements of Judaism, like Kabbalah). But basically, they believe life is for living, and it is HIGHLY valued. Judaism is a practice—the reward itself is in the practice and the mindfulness of the rituals.
They don't honor the Mitzvot (the 613 Jewish commandments) out of fear of retribution from Hashem (God) or because of some afterlife reward, but because it's a covenant they made with him, that they were entrusted with. Most Jews though (Conservative through Secular) observe religious traditions simply because we want to honor our ancestors and keep their traditions alive. It connects us to our past and to our people, and we find the rituals to be beautiful and culturally/spiritually grounding. Almost no Jew alive practices ALL 613 mitzvot though (roughly half of them, by the way, require living in Israel to observe and deal with agricultural laws). The idea is to do the best you can, and to be mindful and intentional when you do.
Funnily enough though, you can still technically be an atheist and honor the most important Mitzvah though, which is basically belief in ONE God or less. You can believe in no God, so long as you don't believe in more than one God.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||November 1, 2023 6:13 PM|
R74, thanks for the thoughtful answer.
Another question: if God made a covenant with the Jews, why has he forsaken them? Pogroms, persecutions, discrimination, Holocaust, Islamic terrorism, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||November 1, 2023 7:46 PM|
R49 I know! That's why I'm a Democrat and I only support those who support my people, unlike you Dinosaurs for the Comet.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 1, 2023 8:21 PM|
R75 Jews don't believe God has forsaken them. We were always told there would be challenges, suffering, and persecution. It's literally written into our book. Judaism was born out of persecution and exile. It's a faith of strength and resiliency. The reason Jews serve a hardboiled egg on Passover is because it represents the Jewish people's solidification of their faith under pressure. Jews persevere.
99% of Jewish law is about health and hygiene, sustainable farming and animal husbandry, responsible stewardship of the land, intellectual progress, charity, equality, social justice, rest and self-care, etc. It's about making the world/body/mind a better place. They see it as a covenant made with God to follow those laws that see to this task.
In fact (and this is just a sidenote), it's believed the only reason avoiding sodomy (which is paired up with incest) is included as a sinful Mitzvah is because in ancient times it slowed down the spread of disease in the former (obviously condoms and antibiotics didn't exist), and because it kept genetic mutations to a minimum in the latter. Same with avoiding pork and shellfish, and all the other cleanliness laws. There's a reason Jews largely survived the Black Plague and it's because of those laws (well, at least they did until the Christians burned them alive for it).
|by Anonymous||reply 77||November 1, 2023 9:11 PM|
We don't actually give Israel all that money. The US pays to manufacture weapons and military equipment here at retail prices and we send that. Its partially an American jobs program. The Israelis could save a massive portion of the "aid" we send by just buying from other countries.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||November 16, 2023 10:05 PM|
R78 thanks I didnt know that, interesting. And makes sense
|by Anonymous||reply 79||November 17, 2023 9:14 AM|
Personally, I don't "support Palestine". I support the many innocent Palestinian people who don't deserve the lot they've been given by Israel. Yes, I know there are everyday Palestinians who hate Jews wish the worst for them. And I certainly don't "hate Jews". My own grandmother was a Jew (she converted to Episcopalian in order to marry my grandfather, but always continued to practice her Jewish faith). I suspect there are a great many people who feel the same way. Hamas is evil and has a lot of responsibility for what has befallen Palestine at the hands of Israel. But Israel bears more responsibility for their atrocities against innocent Palestinians. It certainly appears that Israel is intentionally killing innocent Palestinians without care.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||November 17, 2023 9:23 AM|
These so-called innocent Palestinians support and give cover for Hamas, allowing them to hide in their hospitals and schools. That makes them complicit.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||November 17, 2023 9:30 AM|
[quote] But Israel bears more responsibility for their atrocities against innocent Palestinians.
Sticking in the word “atrocities”, a false accusation, shows your aim of promulgating anti-Israel propaganda. It’s not logical to state that anyone other than Hamas is responsible for all the actions that Israel is taking in Gaza.
[quote]It certainly appears that Israel is intentionally killing innocent Palestinians without care.
That would only “appear” to someone looking through the prism of their irrational hatred of Israel and their antisemitism. In the real world, it was the Palestinians who intentionally and gleefully slaughtered innocent Israelis and committed inhuman atrocities. Israel is taking the necessary military actions to neutralize the Palestinians’ ability to commit additional acts of terrorism.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||November 17, 2023 6:01 PM|
Israel lies again. No Hamas in hospital and they knew it. They have also bombed schools in the past with the same excuse. Journalists aren't buying their ham-handed propaganda anymore. Israel is a terrorist state.
"Even the videos produced so far have raised questions under scrutiny. A BBC analysis found the footage of an IDF spokesperson showing the apparent discovery of a bag containing a gun behind an MRI scanning machine, had been taped hours before the arrival of the journalists to whom he was supposedly showing it.
In a video shown later, the number of guns in the bag had doubled. The IDF claimed its video of what it found at the hospital was unedited, filmed in a single take, but the BBC analysis found it had been edited."
|by Anonymous||reply 83||November 18, 2023 4:15 PM|
Obviously Hamas used the hospital as a staging ground and as a shield against attack.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||November 18, 2023 6:17 PM|
R84 can't read.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||November 18, 2023 6:22 PM|
[quote]Why did the Palestinians have so many kids in that environment over the past 20 years?
I've repeatedly asked this question of everyone with whom I've discussed this, R12. I've been told it's because they subjugate women; that sex is the only pastime in Gaza; that it's fundamental to Islam. None of these make sense. Why would you bring another child into what is an unbearable (if we're to believe Palestinians' claims) situation?.
After weeks of seeing the destruction, death, and the rising tide of antisemitism, I have but one conclusion:
[quote]It’s almost as if they want to maximize the number of civilian deaths as well as the perceived number of civilian deaths.
Gazans more than doubled their population in the 17 years of supposed Israeli occupation for one reason: human shields. And knowing that the world is obsessed with "innocent children" (for entirely correct reasons), they knew it would engender antisemitism when they provoked Israel by committing Holocaust-echoing heinous crimes like putting a Jewish baby in an oven and burning it to death forcing her to watch while raping her.
We invaded two countries and dumped at least $8 TRILLION down a rathole when (let's face it) Islam knocked a couple commercial towers down and killed 3000 Americans out of population of 330 million on 9/11. Imagine what we'd do if Muslims killed 300,000 Americans in a single day — the same proportion of Jews killed on 10/7.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||November 18, 2023 7:25 PM|
Why there are so many children in Gaza
1. No contraception
2. No women's rights
3. No abortion
4. No employment for young men
|by Anonymous||reply 87||November 18, 2023 7:30 PM|
R87 And it's all Israel's fault.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||November 18, 2023 8:11 PM|
R85, better than you.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||November 19, 2023 1:15 AM|