Matthew Perry is DEAD TO ME, Part 2: Curse of the Jacuzzii

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I’m surprised he had such a neat, tidy and quiet death. He was such a mess I thought he’d be found in a grimy hotel room closet overseas, or after having been missing for a month, with cats eating him.

He seemed rather far gone. But that’s just a general impression from a casual onlooker.

Iconic Friends star Matthew Perry has died aged just 54 after reportedly suffering a cardiac arrest in his hot tub. The star was found unconscious in his Los Angeles home yesterday.

When does Courtney start interviewing new Chandlers?

Bump

He will never be President.

Beloved 'Friends' star Matthew Perry, who died from an apparent drowning on Saturday, October 28, once revealed that he was given an ileostomy bag, which is a pouch used to collect waste from an ileostomy opening, after a failed surgical attempt at removing his colostomy bag.

[quote]Jacuzzii

Oh, dear.

Jascuzzi

Jacushi

RIP.

Lol, he bullied Justin Trudeau when they were kids.

[quote] Shortly after the news broke of his death, the late actor’s parents, Suzanne Perry and John Bennett Perry (who divorced in 1970), appeared extremely distraught outside his home.

The NY post is a worthless rag. Of course, his parents are going to be "extremely distraught"!!! They're old as fuck and were hoping against hope he could hold on a few more years so he would not predecease them. God only knows what kind of mess of estate planning he might have. Who will pay their mortgages, health care costs and buy them new Range Rovers in 2024?! Won't someone -- anyone! -- consider the abject grief of the old rich parents of a lifelong drug addict?!

I'm sure Matthew's parents (who likely are doing fine already financially) will be the main heirs of Perry's estate since he was unmarried and had no children.

[quote]r15 Won't someone -- anyone! -- consider the abject grief of the old rich parents of a lifelong drug addict?! Who will pay their mortgages, health care costs and buy them new Range Rovers in 2024?!

Should we do a GoFundMe for them? They’re in trouble!!

Courtney already did

Adele has called chandler “the best comedic character of all time”.

R19 MARY!!

[quote] I'm sure Matthew's parents (who likely are doing fine already financially) will be the main heirs of Perry's estate since he was unmarried and had no children.

What if he left his fortune to charity, or a rehab center, or a drug dealer, or a manufacturer of jacuzzi tubs? No guarantee his parents get anything, perhaps purposefully. I mean, would he have had such a difficult life if his parents had been less self-absorbed and a little more attentive?

The Friends get famously huge royalties from the show, right?

I see you, grieving parents.

R10 —I’d assume it was an attempt at the Latin plural….as in Revenge of the Nerds…🤷🏻‍♂️

Or maybe just a typo ;)

[quote] I mean, would he have had such a difficult life if his parents had been less self-absorbed and a little more attentive?

What? He was 54 and no one said he had issues with his parents.

Is this the Story of the Year on Datalounge?

Screen recording of a DL surreal scroll from last night.

I’d say he left the $ to his Alma Mater for a scholarship fund…but who knows if he made it to college.

Odd twist: his Wiki page is missing the customary “early life and education” subsection…oddly off-point from the standard template at Wiki.

[quote] What? He was 54 and no one said he had issues with his parents.

??? Who is "no one"?

What more do you need to know? You don't have extraordinary fame, fortune, goodwill, material comfort AND a lifelong debilitating drug habit unless your parent did something to fuck you up.

[quote]What if he left his fortune to charity,

I'd be fucking PISSED if I was a rich person's next-of-kin and they pulled some shit like that.

Charity S. Malone

R5 thanks for that timely newsflash - we appreciate that you are so on the ball

Who called 911 it was called in as a water rescue

Why so much interest in who'll be getting his money? I'm pretty sure it won't be going to anyone posting on these threads.

Spooky that he posted on Instagram from the hot tub. Who was with him and called it in?

A statement from the Fab5 is forthcoming

Have any of the Friends commented yet?

They’re gonna!

A day late & a $ short …rat bastards.

Wow it’s a tough break for the Friends relative PR reps - trying to coordinate and agree a statement on a Saturday/Sunday!

They should all just use Jennifer Aniston's statement. Her PR people are far superior to anyone else in Hollywood.

The longer they wait the more distressed they’ll seem. That’s good PR 😭😢😭😢😭

The house pics at Zillow are interesting. Even considering the pics are staged/pre-Perry, there is a cold, sterile quality to the interiors that could feel very isolating. Give me a condo in a city with all the background hustle and bustle, cars, horns, dogs barking…an unquiet brain doesn’t like isolation.

I wonder if his sober coach/ assistant lived there too? These deaths often seem to take place during a (rare) window when the celeb is alone. From the pics, it looks like he left in a corner’s van so even if the official statement is that he was found “unresponsive,” he must have been obviously too far gone for an ambulance. The pics of his family are so sad. He was loved.

Who was with him?

People with heart problems are not supposed to go in hot tubs

[quote] I wonder if his sober coach/ assistant lived there too? These deaths often seem to take place during a (rare) window when the celeb is alone.

It was not an accident that he sent everyone away and was alone at the time of his death r42. His demise was not an accident. I was just a bystander and will make no further comment on the matter.

R42, could you please put a link to the Zillow listing?

CNN: LA medical examiner indicates additional investigation required in Matthew Perry death.

If he was alone how could he call 911?

R47 you mean they are doing the basic review.

Jeez

[quote]Matt's personal assistant left the 54-year-old actor alone at his home in Pacific Palisades in Los Angeles for just two hours while they picked up a new iPhone for him and some prescription glasses. When they returned to the home they found him unresponsive in the jacuzzi and called 911.

I'm not mad at you, I'm MAD at the tub!

He was too lazy to pick up his own pair of glasses…there you go.

Sad, but many dataloungers spent 2021 and 2022 betting that he wouldn't last long.

Horrible way to die, but not too surprising given that he spent his life being an addict.

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Detective Kudrow of the West LA Division is on the case!

As I posted in the other Part II Perry thread, did he have a Batman fetish? It would explain the weird flashing red Batman logo on either his pool cover, or at the bottom of his pool. This is clearly visible in the drone footage from last night, taken by the tabloids over his house while the LAPD was at the house investigating things.

I think I saw this in one of the clips at the Mail, on one of their many articles. I thought it was strange.

Has Valerie Cherish given condolences?

The Zillow listing, for R46.

The Medical Examiner's website indicates that the body is ready for release, meaning the autopsy has been completed. The case is still listed as open, and the cause of death has been deferred, meaning that further testing is necessary...most likely toxicology results.

Thanks, R58. So, looks like he put a retainer wall, extended the back yard toward the ocean, then did a built-in, infinity-edge pool / Jacuzzi.

I hope my last look at the world is as nice as his.

He was pretty young, maybe he didn't even have a will. His parents could be tied up in probate hell for years.

He sure didn’t age well. He was reasonably attractive when he was younger, but my god he sure got ugly.

Another one lost to drugs.

I wonder if it's going to turn out to be fentanyl. Maybe he bought some counterfeit pills while out on his pickle ball run.

[quote]He was pretty young, maybe he didn't even have a will. His parents could be tied up in probate hell for years.

He had been on ECMO and nearly died in the past. Hopefully he realized he was living on borrowed time and got his affairs in order.

[quote] Horrible way to die, but not too surprising given that he spent his life being an addict.

He peacefully dozed into eternal slumber under the California Sun in a warm jacuzzi tub, his body gently massaged by pulsating water jets, 78 degrees outside and his final earthly vista was the expanse of the Pacific Ocean meeting the horizon. That's a rather glamorous way to slip of this mortal coil.

R42 I heard it was a midstreet van 🚐

R62 what the hell are you taking about? If he died intestate, then his living parent(s) are the sole heir(s) by operation of law. —the exception being assets in a trust—in which case the residual /assets of the trust go directly to the named beneficiary.

As stated in Part 1: People are stupid.

Why do we care? He was neither gay nor particularly interesting.

Unmarried at 54, do you want me to use a bullhorn 📢???

It's too bad he never found the right girl

It's kind of poignant that he was playing pickleball hours before he died, given that he was a junior tennis champion.

There were a few hints in the earliest Friends episodes about Chandler's sexuality. There was an episode with a whole subplot about him wondering why so many people who meet him assume he's gay. In the pilot, he dreamed he was Liza Minnelli. I'm sure there were hints more that I can't remember off the top of my head. Given that David Crane, one of the show's creators, was gay, I wonder if that was the road they were originally planning to go down with Chandler. However, I suppose that would have been too controversial for the main character of such a mainstream show in the 90s.

David Crane is an annoying Harvard undergrad on a different network.

Wait a minute. If he was 54, and Justin Trudeau is 51, HOW were they "classmates"? Also, why was he beating up a kid years younger than him?

There's nothing glamorous about dying at the age of 54 R67, specially when he could've easily made it to 90 with his kind of wealth.

Specially when he could have avoided his health issues by learning to control his booze habit and by saying no to illicit drugs.

Whoever was the first person to offer him drugs in the 1980s more than 35 years is certainly not going to take any responsibility for his life being cut short. But in a way they are, they certainly are when they told and convinced young Matthew that doing drugs was fine and a regular part of life.

Elder gays will recall Joe Flynn’s death.

“On July 19, 1974, shortly after completing voice-over work as Mr. Snoops for Walt Disney's 23rd animated feature The Rescuers (released in 1977), Flynn's body was discovered by family members in the swimming pool of his Beverly Hills home, the victim of an apparent heart attack while swimming.“

R77 Joe Flynn was only 49 when he died, but he looked like he was 60.

His final social media posts were odd. Comments now disabled, but people were concerned. Apparently, he was a huge Batman fan and it was Halloween time, but in retrospect it lends a bizarre air to his final days.

Based on his weight gain, it looked like he was drinking a lot again. He was still handsome…aside from the weight/neck issue, he held onto his looks pretty well. You could see see the 90s guy in there….

Cannit believe Jen Aniston’s PR hasn’t wrangled the statement yet.

+1 with r67.

And get a load of scolding r76.

I don't presume everybody wants to, or has the capacity to, live to their 90s.

And the following is so uninformed I don't know where to start:

[quote] Specially when he could have avoided his health issues by learning to control his booze habit and by saying no to illicit drugs.

Are you sure you aren't the ghost of Nancy Reagan? Addiction is so misunderstood. If it were as easy as you set forth, well, we wouldn't have a massive substance abuse problem in the world.

I'll leave it at that. There is so much stupidity on this thread.

r67 is totally right-on. In case you haven't noticed, r76, none of us are getting out of here alive. How Perry went out as described by r67 is a damn fine way to go out.

No one knows Joe Flynn from Joe Blow or Joe Camel

Joe Hill? Yes, I knew him.

Any eldergay who used to watch McHale's Navy (mainly to gaze up on the fine prime beef of the young sailor actors) knows exactly who Joe Flynn is.

The batman fixation is so nerdy, he had to have been straight. But then again, did he even have one long term relationship with anyone?

We weren’t even allowed to watch Gomer Pyle…due to its puerile nature.

Batman & Robin were in every gay kid’s starter package 📦

[quote] [R62] what the hell are you taking about? If he died intestate, then his living parent(s) are the sole heir(s) by operation of law. —the exception being assets in a trust—in which case the residual /assets of the trust go directly to the named beneficiary.

If he died intestate -- which is very unlikely since he spent 5 months in a coma clinging to life some years ago -- his parents are the sole heirs to his RESIDUARY estate. Which means his estate must be probated and every creditor, taxing authority, aggrieved party, agent, manager, business partner, Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane gets to make a claim to his estate. It will be tied up in probate for years. His parents won't live long enough to settle his estate.

With good reason, R87

Nick at Night to air tribute special tonight, as well as Chandler Fan Favorite episodes.

From show creators Kauffman, Crane, and Bright:

[quote]“We are shocked and deeply, deeply saddened by our beloved friend Matthew’s passing. It still seems impossible. All we can say is that we feel blessed to have had him as part of our lives,” said “Friends” co-creators Marta Kauffman and David Crane and executive producer Kevin Bright in a joint statement. “He was a brilliant talent. It’s a cliche to say that an actor makes a role their own, but in Matthew’s case, there are no truer words. From the day we first heard him embody the role of Chandler Bing, there was no one else for us. We will always cherish the joy, the light, the blinding intelligence he brought to every moment – not just to his work, but in life as well. He was always the funniest person in the room. More than that, he was the sweetest, with a giving and selfless heart.” The “Friends” co-creators and EP concluded their statement by saying, “We send all of our love to his family and friends. This truly is The One Where Our Hearts Are Broken.”

[quote] There's nothing glamorous about dying at the age of 54 [R67], specially when he could've easily made it to 90 with his kind of wealth.

Oh God, no....

That train left the station 30 years ago. His body was RAVAGED. His liver, his kidneys, his GI tract and cardiovascular system were seriously compromised. His physical health was probably comparable to a 90 year old's. In addition to fighting to maintain his sobriety every single day, he had to manage chronic debilitating health conditions that were more than just unpleasant. He was at death's door. He played pickleball of Saturday, sat in his Jacuzzi tub and figured his life would never be better than it was at that very moment -- it could only get harder with each day. He'd had enough...

Hank Azaria on Twitter. I didn't know that Matthew helped Hank get sober.

People with heart conditions should not use jacuzzis. I don't think Matthew was doing drugs. I think he had a heart attack. Years or prolonged addiction to pills and alcohol takes a terrible toll on your body.

[quote]sat in his Jacuzzi tub and figured his life would never be better than it was at that very moment -- it could only get harder with each day. He'd had enough...

You are a SPECIAL kind of retard R92.

[quote]He peacefully dozed into eternal slumber under the California Sun in a warm jacuzzi tub, his body gently massaged by pulsating water jets, 78 degrees outside and his final earthly vista was the expanse of the Pacific Ocean meeting the horizon. That's a rather glamorous way to slip of this mortal coil.

Seriously R67/R92, what's WRONG with you?

Have they pinpointed the time of death? The avaricious parents seemed to get to his place AWFULLY fast. Could they have been there when it happened?? Was someone pushed below the surface when they blabbed about drafting a new will?

Count the wine glasses.

[quote]r53 Horrible way to die

Is it? I’d think you’d just lose consciousness.

R88 I’ll take your bait—that same scenario applies even if there were a will.

And it would not take years, under California law. There are firm deadlines and rules for making a claim against any estate.

FOAD

I don't think he intentionally committed suicide but I can see him having a devil may care attitude and tempting fate.

And R88 is too dense to ignore the likelihood that most of his assets are part of one or trusts—not subject to probate.

* so dense

There is nothing wrong with r67 / r92.

I agree with them %100 and there is nothing wrong with me, either.

r96, you seem to think r67 wanted Perry to die. Nonsense.

None of us had a choice in coming into this world, and most of us won't be able to choose how we go out, unless we commit suicide.

There is only one sure thing, we're all going to die, and I think the way r67 described Perry's death is a terrific way check-out.

"I'll NEVER stop outliving celebs," vows Jimmy Carter...

Kinda of a meh house, thought he was richy rich

He had recently downsized to Pacific Palisades, r105. He had lived in much larger houses previously. I think he lived in the Bird Streets at one point, per another poster.

Maybe he moved to be closer to family members?

That’s not an infinity pool. It’s some kind of giant two part jacuzzi, maybe the big part is one of lap pools with water flowing agains you. Ugly.

Where did he live prior to Pacific Palisades?

Nice way to check out for Perry. For his parents, it was probably one, long, slow, painful death. A lifetime of worries and anxiety (for the parents). As an adult child, I wouldn't want to do that to my parents.

His step father is Keith Morrison, narrator of all those creepy dateline shows.

(Probably been said already but if not there it is.)

Whoa. Such a random connection to the Dateline weirdo.

I looked through his Instagram — 9M followers, btw — He seemed to lead a pretty sad life lately, and I’m sure that bleak, sterile house didn’t help matters.

The Batman fixation is so odd. He also looked and sounded like a much older man as a result of his struggles.

Poor dude. I hope he’s at peace.

He has passed.

Until the 11th of October, he had only posted on IG once this year (a post in April promoting his appearance at a book festival). Then, two weeks ago, he started posting a stream of (mostly Batman-themed) photos with cryptic messages.

R99 you're a dumb fucking bitch! I wasn't offering you any 'bait.' I even said it was very unlikely that he doesn't have a will. Even if he has a will, his estate must be probated. If there is any dispute with any party making a claim it can prolong a probate FOR YEARS -- in accordance with California law and notwithstanding so-called "deadlines." So you FOAD!!!

...and for the botched abortion at r101 I said nothing about "the likelihood that most of his assets" are in a trust and neither did anyone else. What the fuck is it to you? You're not getting any of his money, you dumb motherfucker!

None of the rest of the cast has said anything yet have they?

It must be odd for them. Paps probably staking out their houses ready to pounce.

Geez, I hope I don't have to come out because of all this!

The Batman fixation or fandom is like an adult being into Disney. Maybe not as bad, but in that vein.

We're in the money.

"The One Where Chandler Dies"

Everyone's having trouble getting ready for Chandler's funeral! Monica is having an allergic reaction to Joey's grandmother's cannoli, Ross and Rachel are fighting over whether it's "bandana" or "bandanna," and Phoebe's new cellphone number is one digit away from that of the free clinic.

88 is hysterical —either sense applies to his screams

Some woman that Perry followed posted this on her instagram story. Footage of the jacuzzi where he died. How absolutely disgusting

See link

Cause of death officially "deferred" pending further investigation. Hmm.

^ “Hmm” what, asshole?

[quote]He was pretty young, maybe he didn't even have a will.

The first thing a competent financial adviser will ask you is whether you have a will, and also have you documented who is to look out for you financially if you become incapable. Estate planning is part of their brief. With the kind of money he was making on Friends, I'd guess he's had a will since he was in his mid-20s tops.

[quote] 88 is hysterical —either sense applies to his screams

Yep! I was mad at this fool who lives with me and also thinks he knows everything, and he doesn't listen to reason so now we have a big fucking mess that I have to handle. So I vented all my rage at some stupid bitch here at DL -- to preserve my 'happy' home.

Datalounge to the rescue once again

J'accuse the jacuzzi!

His pickleball coach comments:

Matt Manasse, 35, teaches pickleball at the Riviera Country Club, a private members club in Pacific Palisades close to Matthew Perry's home.

Perry's coach Matt Manasse, 35, said he played pickleball five times a week, and found the sport helped keep him sober.

'He thought it was something that could help with his recovery and he was doing an awesome job,' said Manasse, speaking to People.

'He loved it. He came out five times a week, would always talk about it. [He] got so much better, always made everyone laugh. He was competitive, just a genuine, good guy — caring for everybody.'

Manasse, who has taught Emma Watson, Matthew McConaughey and Wyclef Jean, said Perry was 'doing really well.'

He wasn't at the club on Saturday morning, and last spoke to the actor a week ago.

The coach considered Perry a friend, and the Friends actor invited him to his home to watch the Super Bowl. Perry was supportive of Manasse's efforts to spread the sport's popularity.

Perry told him, Manasse said, 'Whatever you need. Anything you need, I'm there for you.'

'When I first started playing pickleball [with him] it was just Matthew and [me]. And then we'd bring in other people,' said Manasse.

'Pickleball was his outlet. He really looked forward to it. He was a competitive guy, not in a bad way at all. He loved it. He wanted to come out. He wanted to win. He loved it. When he hit an unbelievable shot, he would tell you about it for days.'

Manasse said the game was therapeutic for Perry and he used it as an outlet to maintain his sobreity.

'He had so much that he was doing with his rehab facility and trying to get people clean,' said Manasse.

'He would bring them to teach them pickleball. He was just always trying to help people.'

'That was just the kind of guy he was.

'We went to dinner together. I was over at his place for the Super Bowl. He cared about other people. He was a really good person.'

Manasse said Perry was 'selfless', and always looking out for others.

'He cared about everyone — your day was better when you saw him or when he called,' he said.

'He never missed an opportunity for a funny joke to make you laugh. Just a genuinely amazing person. Everyone should know he had a heart of gold.'

Neighbours said Matthew had spent months renovating his new home and wanted it finished quickly.

One said: “The work was loud and going on for weeks.

“I think he was upset with his contractor because it was taking so long. The noise only stopped about a week ago, and to think he has barely enjoyed the pool. Now he’s gone. It’s incredibly sad.”

Viola:

“This is devastating. Your book shifted so many close to my heart. The people no one sees and most throwaway. It was a gift. Beyond the joy you brought to many, your heart reigned supreme. Rest well ...know that you brought love.”

Jebus Cristo the purple prose!

R26 how did you make that recoding of your phone?

No one with a net worth of 120M dies without a will.

In addition to all the drugs and alcohol, he smoked like a fiend. 60 cigarettes a day for awhile. He really was a textbook addictive personality.

He did a great job with his book and did the audio book. Gotta wonder why as a teen he resorted to the drugs and alcohol. I don't remember him revealing the core issue.

Lisa Kudrow may take Matthew's dog Alfred.

He was reading Datalounge on his cell phone, laughed so hard that his cellphone slipped, fell into the water, and electrocuted him.

[Quote]J'accuse the jacuzzi!

I love you, R127!

He did a great job with his book and did the audio book. Gotta wonder why as a teen he resorted to the drugs and alcohol. I don't remember him revealing the core issue.

R136, I read that the Vicodin addiction started after being prescribed them for an injury. Though he had been already been a drinker (and probably shouldn't have been prescribed them in the first place)

Ugh. Sorry, first part of R140 should have been marked as a quote. Oh for the want of an edit button.

Who R81, you are a total drug user AIRHEAD.

No sane person thinks that dying AT 54 from substance abuse is a dignified thing that's worth going through. Shake your head, hon, get rid of the companion of other substance abusers, because they clearly haven't made you any smarter or more realistic.

"I don't presume everybody wants to, or has the capacity to, live to their 90s."

I never said everybody will get to live until they are 90, I said a rich guy like Perry could HAVE PROBABLY lived until 90 if it wasn't for DESTRUCTIVE AND THOUGHTLESS actions, and yes, wake up, the AVERAGE person out there, not 100 out of 100, but some 85 out of 100 would MUCH RATHER have the chance of living until 90, than wasting DECADES OF POSSIBILITIES and REALIZATIONS, meeting new people, picking up new hobbies just for the chance of burning decades to come by chosing the frivolous and meaningless self-gratification brought on by drugs.

Have you ever dared to wonder why many former addicts actually stopped, even though they liked the pleasure of drugs?

And say what you want, but people normalizing drugs and being drugged are the ones who ended putting Perry in his coffin, if he had had other friends and had made different choices, perhaps his life wouldn't have ended so soon, now we will never know.

*Whoa not who

Going through life high as a kite is as valid a life choice as any other.

"That train left the station 30 years ago. His body was RAVAGED. His liver, his kidneys, his GI tract and cardiovascular system were seriously compromised."

Yes hon, his body was compromised thanks to DECADES OF multiple substance abuse, he would have PROBABLY made it to 90, IF, he had never done drugs, or if he had actually stopped and never gotten drugged again after the age of 25, but SADLY that's not what happened.

He was not able to control his eternal search for cheap thrills, drugs completely dominated his poor brain, he was willing to die for his behavioral compulsion.

But there was once, a time and a date on the calendar, when he was just another innocent boy, when he didn't have this compulsion and theses habits, there was once a time and a space where his brain 🧠 was healthier and didn't have the "need" for these things.

And this is what I am "whining" about, not the fact that he was drugged in 2019, not the fact that he was druggie back in 2010, not the fact that he was junkie in 1998, or that he was snorting lines of coke back in 1993.

I am FEELING SAD that one day back in the 1980s a VERY young Matthew made the decision of 'trying' drugs, and that this decision would end up costing him so much and possibly cutting his life short. Things could have been different, if he had made a different choice, if he had had different friends, if he hadn't cared about being popular, if he hadn't caree about certain useless types of "pleasure".

I wonder why he never bought himself a chin.

r145 you pre-suppose a bit too much. There may never have been "a day" in his life "when he didn't have this compulsion and theses habits, there was once a time and a space where his brain 🧠 was healthier and didn't have the "need" for these things."

That's often WHY people end up suffering from addiction: because they NEVER feel normal, they're always trying to search for something to make them feel better, to fill the void.

That's why addiction exists beyond just pleasure-seeking. If all people could just feel good based on the simple pleasures of life, and we could all just "skip to my lou, my darling" through life, drugs wouldn't be a thing.

But, alas, that's just not how many people are made. Some people are born with some faulty wiring/genetics. Presumably, this man was born into a pretty damn good life: his parents loved him, he didn't suffer from poverty or abuses (that we know of). He was somewhat privileged. He seemed to have all the components that should make for a happy, healthy, successful life.

But now I'm pre-supposing that everything was in place for him to flourish, and there's just no way for anyone to really know but him. No one was inside his brain but him, and clearly there was some unmet need, some gap, something that wasn't there for him, despite all that he had, was given, and worked hard for.

And that is the devastation that is addiction. It's a shitty stroke of genetics that is waiting to pop up and grow 15 Medusa heads given the smallest opportunity. It can strike ANYONE, no matter what the circumstances.

I hope he's at peace now.

WHY have the Friends not made a statement?!

Could they BE any slower in offering their condolences?

Nope R147, no one is born an addict.

Cocaine, heroin, meth,MDMA.... don't magically transfer themselves into the bloodstream of the addict, the actions of the drug abuser are CRUCIAL to the development of the addiction, it's never spontaneous.

And yes, there was a time and a day when Perry didn't need drugs, or do you think he was already a junkie as a ten year old boy, the more he normalized and tried drugs, the more he repeated these behavior the more of an addict he became. His choices could have been made differently, but sadly he didn't positive encouragement at a young age to reject toxic friendships and drugs.

Oh, and life isn't made of endless joy and happiness, mostly life is just boring, and all of us may experiment feelings of being 'misfit'; hell, that happens to ALL OF US LGBTQ growing up in this horribly heterocentric society.

It doesn't mean that we all do drugs, or that booze and drugs are the solution to anything, usually they only make matters worse and create unnecessary drama in people's lives, including the ones surrounding the addict.

I will always be a fan and adore Matthew, that's why I wish he had seen things differently and made different choices.

I also wonder the same thing R148, do you think they had some sort of pact?

He did drugs/alcohol because he never felt like he was good enough. He was a black hole of neediness and needed praise and accolades to stay alive, but it was never enough to fill his deep void. He more or less says this in interviews and musings. He was a fragile soul.

r150: please see r152 because you just don't get it.

Has Bruce Willis been informed yet?

[Quote]Has Bruce Willis been informed yet?

Nah he's even more of a vegetable than our eldest potato at this point. He wouldn't even know who I'm talking about.

I can’t help admiring r114 ‘s rage.

R151 Lisa Kudrow has commented, but I'm guessing the cast wants to give his family time to grieve without pulling the spotlight toward themselves at this time.

I'm sure they'll make a collective statement at some point in the near future.

R150, I wish you’d make different capitalization choices.

This brought a tear to my eye.

I shouldn't be shocked, but so many morons are blaming it on "the jab". It really drives home the point that our schools haven't taught critical thinking skills in nearly a century.

R159 that’s pretty lame. Chandler is not dead. Joey is not alone.

R161 isn't very good at nuance.

It's chemistry as much as it is psychology. Hard core addicts, like Matthew, very likely have some kind of chemical imbalance or WTF ever, and if certain substances are introduced into their system they can become highly addictive. So it's not always a question of willpower and choices. It's not always a sign of weakness as some people interpret it. Addiction is a sickness. When you're a young teenager, you aren't thinking about that stuff, you just want to drink, or smoke pot, or pop pills, or whatever's the "in" thing to do. But an addict cannot stop. They need help. It took decades before people finally understood Alcoholism is a disease. Addiction is really hard. It's a struggle. As I read about him, it seems like Matthew also had a whole constellation of medical problems requiring medication, a finding a balance and getting him the right medications was probably a constant juggling act.

If he hadn't destroyed his stomach, liver, heart and intestines he could've gone on ozempic and it would have finally quieted his drug cravings

R142, with every word you make less sense. Probably less than 5% of the population could even potentially live to be 90+. No one was begrudging Perry long life, only acknowledging that it was not a possibility. Whatever circumstances conspired to create his susceptibility to a drug and alcohol dependency when he was just a kid would have certainly precluded long life, no matter what personal or professional path he pursued in life.

Whenever people of advanced age are interviewed and asked how they did it, they consistently say it's because they never entertained feelings of sadness, worry, fear or anger. People with clinical depression, anxiety, trauma, personality disorders or a predisposition toward addiction will not live to 90.

Matthew Perry was NEVER a candidate to live to 90, notwithstanding his millions, and that was determined very, very early in his life.

[quote] Whoever was the first person to offer him drugs in the 1980s more than 35 years is certainly not going to take any responsibility for his life being cut short. But in a way they are, they certainly are when they told and convinced young Matthew that doing drugs was fine and a regular part of life.

MARY.

[quote] I am FEELING SAD that one day back in the 1980s a VERY young Matthew made the decision of 'trying' drugs, and that this decision would end up costing him so much and possibly cutting his life short. Things could have been different, if he had made a different choice, if he had had different friends, if he hadn't cared about being popular, if he hadn't caree about certain useless types of "pleasure".

MARY.

Honey, MARY is on the warpath today!

[quote] Nope [R147], no one is born an addict.

Absolutely false on every level. Children born to drug addicted mothers can be born with a physiological addiction. As well, we know many addicts are self-medicating to counter chemical imbalances in their brains, often simply a matter of biology. People can be born with biological, chemical conditions that will make substance addiction inevitable, it is a disease like diabetes -- you can be born with it OR you can develop it due to lifestyle choices.

R162 sarcasm is my game.

Objectively, it’s a dumb meme…and that’s sayin’ something.

The actor is not the character.

Why?

Where else are they supposed to dump their shitty bodega flowers?

R160, don't blame schools for what MAGA believes. Blame Trump and Fox News.

Hot tub = death

The warm water diverts circulation from your core, causing your blood pressure to drop and your heart rate to speed up to compensate. With this guy's considerable pre existing risk factors (who the fuck smokes 60 cigarettes a DAY??!) he almost certainly had cardiopulmonary disease, along with all the other issues. When the pump fails (heart) you got nothing. News reports are already mentioning COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) as well.

Saunas are just as bad - why do you think they have warning signs posted at hotels and health clubs advising people over 50 to stay in for like two minutes or avoid their use at all? With all the abuse this guy's body suffered, he should not have been anywhere near a hot tub.

Apparently someone thinks bathtub drownings are funny. Not sure who this is so he must be desperate for relevance.

I wonder if it would be appropriate to put flowers in my town’s town square?

[quote] Saunas are just as bad - why do you think they have warning signs posted at hotels and health clubs advising people over 50 to stay in for like two minutes or avoid their use at all? With all the abuse this guy's body suffered, he should not have been anywhere near a hot tub.

Tell us more. I honestly have never heard this before. I've never noticed those signs at the gym or at hotels because I am just...umm...39.

At the gym, ONLY fat, old people on the edge of death are in the sauna AND the jacuzzi. I always assumed a healthcare professional had advised them to use either or both at every opportunity for therapeutic reasons. Hearing now that it could be dangerous for them makes me want to file a formal complaint with the gym requesting that they ban all old, fat people from the sauna and the jacuzzi.

“No ball sagging beyond this point…”

[quote]What if he left his fortune to charity, or a rehab center, or a drug dealer, or a manufacturer of jacuzzi tubs?

Left his fortune to a drug dealer 😆? That would be hilarious.

[quote]You don't have extraordinary fame, fortune, goodwill, material comfort AND a lifelong debilitating drug habit unless your parent did something to fuck you up.

Um no, sometimes you do the debilitating drug habit thing all by yourself cause you're not smart enough to stay away from the stuff.

Here you go -

Next we'll have a tell-all book from the assistant, describing what a nightmare it was to work for a junkie boss.

Drugs are fun. Even animals down to insects like to get fucked up. Some can walk away, some can't

Do not attempt to dry your testicles and perineum over the sauna rocks. Danger! ¡Peligro!

Youth

Middle age

R175 try the fountain on the Warner Ranch back lot…just near the Stevens and Partridge families.

R184 Matt LeBlanc looks strung the fuck out

Nah, he's just mellow, R187. Forgot what a beautiful man he was when he was young.

[quote] [R184] Matt LeBlanc looks strung the fuck out

I've always felt that Perry's bitterness was fueled by his knowledge that others did all the drugs he did but suffered none of the chronic, debilitating health consequences he had. In fact, I recall a DL-er making that point when we discussed his book when it was released.

Well—most of us are lucky that way…our parents didn’t fuck us up and give us silly dreams that were “steaming out of our ears” to quote MP.

We used drugs all of the time, and still lived happy lives, to this day. ‘Dem da breaks.

For Perry, it just might have been that there was so much pressure to "deliver the goods" and be funny on a hit TV show. Who knows. Maybe he was prone to depression. Taking drugs might have made him feel calm and confident.

…so much pressure to "deliver the goods"…

It’s called doing your job! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[quote] Poor dude. I hope he’s at peace.

This man was anything but poor and I personally find it hard to feel sorry for someone with tremendous wealth and access to the best mental health care this country has to offer. Instead he destroyed his colon and obsessed over Keanu Reeves. And by all accounts he had a good relationship and support from his parents so it's a mystery why he hated himself so much that he would willingly destroy his life with drugs. His cast mates don't appear to have the same issues.

Comedy is difficult, R192. It's probably easier to be a mediocre dramatic actor.

Most people don't do their job in front of millions every week, with all eyes on them, ready to mock them publicly if their performance is less than perfect.

This is the conundrum: people who want to be famous think it will finally make them feel good about themselves, because they have no inherent sense of worth. But that prompts them to seek out the very professions that expose them the most to public ridicule.

Even though they had scripts, the writers had time constraints to churn them out by a certain date so some scripts would be subpar. The actors would be under pressure to try to make a mediocre script funnier.

Matty had micro penis energy. Maybe that was his core issue.

Yay, I’ll finally get some airtime and be noticed again, unlike Courteney and Jennifer they are always the popular ones. Damn them! I matter too! I was also on Friends!

Give me a break. Blaming this shit on his parents with no evidence to support that they caused him trauma?

Blaming his problems on the pressure to perform and to be in the spotlight?

This was his chosen profession. Friends was 30 years ago. He could have lived outside of LA very comfortably.

He was 53 and posters are reacting like he was in his early 20s.

I read the comment by that writer who said the cast were snotty and resentful of being tied to Friends. I can imagine the girls wanting out as each of them had a somewhat viable career but the guys really didn't

R174 the man who made that sarcastic remark wants to be noticed. His last comment seriously was, “Am I treading yet!” I do not think we should give him anymore attention.

R194 R195. Seriously? In all honesty, at that pay scale? People who make 1/50th of that might get fired for looking at their boss the wrong way. Why are you cutting slack for his type, of all types!!

[quote]Lisa Kudrow has commented

When did Lisa Kudrow comment? The only "quote" I saw attributed to Kudrow was some low-rent tabloid story quoting something she supposedly "told a close friend," one of the oldest and sleaziest tabloid methods of reporting made-up shit.

[quote]Blaming his problems on the pressure to perform and to be in the spotlight? This was his chosen profession. Friends was 30 years ago. He could have lived outside of LA very comfortably.

And how would you know this wasn't the case? His addiction started when he was on "Friends" and he wasn't able to completely stop, except for brief periods of sobriety.

I thought I read that he claimed he was sober since 2021. I'm skeptical that this was really true.

He come off a little microdicky and incelly in his book

He certainly was under pressure not to put on a lot of weight during the run of the show.

Oh, you're right, R202. Anyone can be a successful comedian who makes millions.

[QUOTE]His addiction started when he was on "Friends" and he wasn't able to completely stop, except for brief periods of sobriety.

It happened at least a decade earlier. Didn't he admit that the alcoholism, at least, started as young adolescent, not even a teen? Of course, drugs weren't available to such young minors, but Dad's bar was there. Six and one-half dozen the other. He got better addiction options as his paycheck skyrocketed.

R195 Yeah, but most people also don't make millions a week. Heavy is the fucking head that wears the crown, I guess.

You're probably right, R208. I didn't read his book. I just remember that he was quite cute in the early seasons of "Friends" and then his looks noticeably declined. He definitely didn't look good compared to the other cast members.

R209, he was very well paid but I'm not sure he was making millions each week.

Of course it started in his teens. Did we all forget his turn as Carol Seaver's drunk boyfriend who died in a car accident? That was him, right?

R211 He made 20 million a year, right? I'm guessing he worked 20 weeks of the year.

Supposedly in the last two seasons, each cast member was making $1 million per episode, so that's not millions per week.

Surprising to learn they only made $22,500 per episode in the first season. How did the paupers make ends meet?

[quote] Most people don't do their job in front of millions every week, with all eyes on them, ready to mock them publicly if their performance is less than perfect.

I know, right?!

What is R207 trying to say? They type medicated.

[quote] Yay, I’ll finally get some airtime and be noticed again, unlike Courteney and Jennifer they are always the popular ones. Damn them! I matter too! I was also on Friends!

[quote] —Lisa Kudrow

Oh, honey...you are VALERIE CHERISH!

Those other girls will never create anyone as legendary or iconic if they live to be 175. You are definitely being heard.

[quote] Most people don't do their job in front of millions every week, with all eyes on them, ready to mock them publicly if their performance is less than perfect.

Boo-hoo!

Thanks for trolling, R216.

At long last . . .

Has this been posted yet?

(I'm too damn lazy to scroll through all the Matthew Perry is dead threads.)

Here's his first Late Night with David Letterman appearance back in July of '96

I'm surprised he only got one Emmy nominations for Friends

R219 what was the point? Tell us …TIA

R222 that he managed the one, dear.

R195 I realize I'm being hyperbolic, but you're being deliberately obtuse. If people could work a job for ten years that would make them extremely wealthy for the rest of their lives...yeah, I'd put up with the mocking and derision. It's called "fuck you money" for a reason.

They could have at least proofed that statement, for consistency in tense.

The joint statement. Took too long I think and sloppy r226 yes, too many PR people

Matthew Perry’s “Friends” co-stars have spoken out following his death at 54. The late star died of an apparent drowning Saturday at his California home.

Jennifer Aniston, Courteney Cox, Lisa Kudrow, Matt LeBlanc and David Schwimmer released a joint statement Monday.

“We are all so utterly devastated by the loss of Matthew. We were more than just cast mates. We are a family,” “There is so much to say, but right now we’re going to take a moment to grieve and process this unfathomable loss.”

“In time we will say more, as and when we are able,” the statement continued. “For now, our thoughts and our love are with Matty’s family, his friends, and everyone who loved him around the world.”

On the reunion special Matthew talked about the terror of not getting a laugh that plagued him on show nights. Yes part of that was the writer's responsibility but it was interesting that no one else said they had the same terror.

He lost a truckload of weight between seasons six and seven (which was awkward, given that the S6 finale and S7 opening episode were set on the same night. Like the time Buffy mysteriously got a new hairstyle when she was resurrected in season six of BtVS).

Why don't wealthy celebs pay cash for their homes? Why pay unnecessary interest? This house would be pocket change for him, yet their is so much still left on the loan. Bizarre. I'm a guy who detests financing anything. I'll soon be buying a new to me car outright with cash.

R228 that Reunion special was such a shitshow they were all visibly on edge whenever Matthew started speaking and that’s viewing the heavily edited version.

R230 I think it has to do with taxes - but a CPA or tax preparer might have more insight. Or I could be mistaken.

Matthew slurring in an interview about the reunion. Matt LeBlanc has to remind him he's on camera. Britney-esque dead eyes as well. Poor guy.

His Pickleball partner tells Extra's Billy Bush he only played for an hour that day and he'd been fatigued all week.

I think he was probably happy to go.

[quote]Joe Flynn was only 49 when he died, but he looked like he was 60.

I'm not old enough to remember where I was when JFK died, but oddly, I recall where I was when I heard Joe Flynn died!

I was a pre-Datalounger.

They prob get mortgages to get tax write-offs and they prob have an interest rate lower than their investment returns. I live in a super wealthy area and most people get mortgages even though they def have the cash to pay up front but they prefer to invest their money.

R226 the tense shift to "We ARE a family" makes sense to me.

Who will be the last Friend standing?

I didn't know where to leave the flowers that I bought at Costco, so I left them at a Starbucks.

R240, fly to L.A., rent a car and leave them at his Pacific Palisades home, you cheap bastard. The address is on one of these threads when it was for sale by the previous owners.

I assume by now there's an enormous pile of flowers in front of the "Friends" building at 90 Bedford Street, NYC.

He played Desi Arnaz Jr. @46:50

[quote]Surprising to learn they only made $22,500 per episode in the first season. How did the paupers make ends meet?

Well, first they pay taxes on that, then they have to pay10% to their agent and manager, based on the original $22,500 pay check, then publicist, stylist, business manger, assistant and take home is $186.50!

LOL, R244.

Well, there were usually 24 episodes per season of "Friends", so that comes to $540,000 per year. I guess that's not bad even with all the deductions.

I'm certain lack of sleep and fatigue came from that house renovation. That kind of thing really is disturbing, especially if you are a nervous person. Unless he had the sense to move out and stay at a hotel during the work, though it seems he was pretty hands-on with his demands.

R239 I think David Schwimmer will outlive them all.

I left flowers at our local gas station

R239, my bet would be David Schwimmer for the males and Lisa Kudrow for the females both in their early 90s with Lisa Kudrow being the one outliving the others. Only based on rumors of present or past (chain-)smoking habits.

I left a beautiful bouquet at the Stop & Shop self checkout. I just scanned it and left it there without paying (heartfelt card though)

The Friends released their statement to People magazine. What seemed to be overlooked - or at least I missed it - was the Perry parents also released a statement to People.

"We are heartbroken by the tragic loss of our beloved son and brother," Perry's family said Sunday in a statement to People. "Matthew brought so much joy to the world, both as an actor and a friend. You all meant so much to him and we appreciate the tremendous outpouring of love."

Whoopsie makes it all about her.

Whoopi Goldberg took a second to compose herself as she seemingly fought back tears on The View while leading a heartbreaking tribute to Matthew Perry.

Discussing his passing, Whoopi, 67, said she was 'beyond heartbroken' at the news as she honored the late actor's wish to be 'remembered for helping people'.

Addressing viewers on Monday's show, she began, 'you know, we were all beyond heartbroken,' before taking a noticeable pause in which she appeared to regain her composure before adding, 'to hear about the sudden passing of Matthew Perry'.

Whoopi continued: 'He was just 54 years old and we were very lucky to have him here last year when he was really open about overcoming his struggles with addiction, and he was really passionate about helping other people get through it.'

R229 Jennifer Aniston's hair changed color between s9 finale and s10 opener, while she was kissing Joey

And 5 seconds later

[quote]Whoopsie makes it all about her

How the fuck did you get that from what she said. She was honoring him for helping people with addiction, which he talked about when he was on the show promoting his book last year.

How did Matt lose all that weight between seasons?

My hair color would spontaneously change if I kissed Joey too.

He switched from booze to pain pills R256. Ever seen a fat junkie?

That’s one hard looking 54 year old.

His death is truly SHATtering

Sorry but I’m sick of 50+ year old rich guys obsessed with superheroes. Grow up.

Who cares what gives a 50+ year old fun and pleasure in life (as long as it's not hurting anyone else)? I think people's weird obsessions about Civil War Re-enactment or wild mushroom hunting make people interesting in an otherwise 9-5, boring-ass life.

Finding something to obsess over besides drugs was probably a healthy coping habit. After stopping drinking last year, i became obsessed with fitness, cooking, hiking, gardening, cleaning, etc. Anything to replace sitting around and being in the doldrums and drunk.

[quote]What is R207 trying to say? They type medicated.

R199 seems to know Matthew Perry's motivations better than Matthew knew himself. I'm saying performance anxiety MAY have been one of the reasons why Perry started with drugs.

In interviews, more than one actor has mentioned performance anxiety during the filming of a movie. They're worried the director might decide that the actor doesn't have the acting chops to deliver the performance they want and they'll get fired and replaced. Why would TV actors be any different? Once "Friends" started becoming successful and getting publicity, Perry might have felt the pressure to "deliver the goods".

Perry started using drugs in the early seasons of "Friends". He had no idea that the show would go on for ten seasons and that he would be kept on for all that time and that he would be making a million dollars per episode for the last two seasons. I'll bet when Perry was using a lot, he was worried that producers and executives might decide that he was more trouble than he was worth and he would be fired and replaced.

Once Perry had made all that money from "Friends", of course he was less anxious about other projects. If a series like "The Odd Couple" failed, it wasn't the end of the world. He still had plenty of money to live on.

Bottom line, this guy had made it, fame, wealth and a leading role on an iconic television series.

And he pissed it all away at 54.

He definitely did piss it away.

I'm guessing there will be a few distasteful Halloween costumes tonight consisting of sweater vests and zombie make-up.

J'accuse le Jacuzzi!

Some interesting comments here:

[quote]Why so much interest in who'll be getting his money? I'm pretty sure it won't be going to anyone posting on these threads.

3 words: Gossip Message Board.

Whatever happened with Prince's estate? I remember he died without a will and his family was fighting over who was gonna get all his stuff.

Celine Dion is next.

Mariah is allegedly 54!!!!! Her death would be devastating!

R272 To whom?

Humanity, r173! How dare you?

From wikipedia:

[quote]Two years later, while attending rehab in Switzerland, Perry faked pain to get a prescription for 1,800 milligrams of Oxycontin per day and was having daily ketamine infusions. He was given propofol in conjunction with a surgery, which stopped his heart for five minutes. The resulting cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) resulted in eight broken ribs. He paid $175,000 for a private jet to take him to Los Angeles to get more drugs. When doctors there refused, Perry spent another $175,000 to take a private jet back to Switzerland. In 2022, he estimated that $9 million was spent on his addiction, including 14 stomach surgeries, 15 stays in rehab, and therapy twice a week for 30 years. Perry also asserted that he had attended approximately 6,000 Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.

What a chaotic life.

Johnny Depp is next. He looks half dead already.

So that’s why he downgraded to a McMansion in a lesser part of the Palisades. Overpriced medical care.

Stars! They’re just like you and me!

[quote]Mariah is allegedly 54!!!!! Her death would be devastating!

Tyler Perry is also 54 years old.

Matthew Perry had quite a few half-siblings that he seemed fond of, although they are younger. As his parents are both still alive, I don’t think there will be much drama around settling his estate. Considering how much he spoke about wanting to be remembered for helping people in recovery, I expect a lot of his money will go in support of addiction support services.

Everything outside of the will and any separate trust goes to mum and dad.

^ and mum and dad are likely the primary beneficiaries of any will or trust, considering…his circumstances.

[Quote] Johnny Depp is next. He looks half dead already.

Perhaps not. It was all the surgeries resulting from drug addiction that really destroyed Perry's body though they were life saving at the time

R277, he may have had both the Pacific Palisades home and another one in the Hollywood Hills at the time of his death. He bought homes that were not super expensive, maybe in the $5 million range. Of course, there are some crazy rich people in L.A. with mansions going for $30 million and up. He couldn't afford something like that.

Jeez, they put that in his wiki at R275?

Now I see Tyler Christopher died at 50, I think he was a drinker too

[quote]Jeez, they put that in his wiki at R275?

Exactly, R285. We need even more salacious details. I wouldn't want a life like that for all the money in the world. Sounds like hell.

Oops. I meant R284.

[R285] Tyler Christopher always reminded me of Nicolas Cage’s character from Leaving Las Vegas. Like a raging alcoholic who just could not quit and who literally drank himself to death. Like Perry, I would not have been surprised to read that Tyler died years ago.

It's very possible that Matthew simply fell asleep in the jacuzzi and drowned.

Surely he would have woken up immediately as soon as his head went under water. I assume the coroner can tell if someone has had a recent cardiac arrest.

Wonder if Michael left anything for his pickleball buddy, Matthew Manasse?

R288, Will former wife Eva Longoria issue a statement?

Ja-SCUUUUZZZZZEE-ME!!!!

No or little water was found in his lungs, so he was dead or at least experiencing rapidly fatal respiratory distress as he slipped under.

.....or DID he?

Maybe the mystery of his missing chin will be explained by the medical examiner.

If the coroner finds drugs in his system, I assume the parents can say they don't want this info publicized, but these things have a habit of getting out anyways.

You assume wrong. The family doesn’t get to edit the County Coroner’s report. LOL

His favorite book was Less Than Zero?!

He was no intelllectual…

Minus that extra “l”

;)

compared to the rest of the cast of Friends he was a genius. As his last appearance on Letterman demonstrated he was funny, smart, articulate, unguarded and interesting.

[quote] He was given propofol in conjunction with a surgery, which stopped his heart for five minutes

Bullshit. The guy was a massive drug addict. There’s no way propofol given in surgery by an anesthetist put him into cardiac arrest, lol.

Anyone who’s had a colonoscopy in a doctor’s office has had propofol. I hate the way drug addicts lie to everyone when there are so many of us out there who know medications and their actions. “Oh I got addicted when I had a sports injury and the doctor gave me narcotics. The doctors were too quick to give me opioids.”

No bitch, you wouldn’t stop taking drugs when you were supposed to. That’s what happened. You went out drug seeking and lying and you’ve been lying ever since.

[quote]You assume wrong. The family doesn’t get to edit the County Coroner’s report. LOL

I don't mean edit the coroner's report. Doesn't the family have a right to privacy? If his death was drug related, does the general public have to know? If the parents only want closest family and friends to know, don't they have that right?

R302–Kudrow is the only smart one in that crowd

Schwimmer a very poor runner-up

What part of the coroner’s full report being a public document don’t you get? Haven’t you watched Dateline?

Okay, R306. I didn't know that. Of course, if he were an ordinary, anonymous guy, no one would care.

I still think it's a little unfair that the media gets to report all the details of the coroner's report. Complete strangers don't need to know all this info. There should be some privacy.

My guess is that he relapsed. I wonder what was the longest time he was sober.

Did he shit the Jacuzzi like a dead man do?

24 hours

No, R308. He was prepared and wore a waterproof diaper.

Hahaha, R309. Maybe 24 hours was his longest period of sobriety.

Michael Hunter is standing by for the inevitable Autopsy: The Last Hours of episode, with insights from psychologist Linda Papadopoulos.

R307. We report the news, we don’t make the news.

Keith Morrison, NBC

Even on the Letterman clip you can hear how people loved him.

Do you think there might be a public memorial service?

Let’s hope not…

Low-key gay vibes in the video at R302.

[quote] Celine Dion is next.

Please don't try to speak that into reality. She is a lovely woman who is very talented and brings so much light and positivity to the world through her gifts. She has the only ever demonstrated humility and compassion in her professional life. I have hope that she can overcome whatever health concerns she is dealing with right now. Hopefully, she will be with us for many, many more years. This Datalounge obsession with death is unhealthy.

R273 = JLo

[quote] ^ and mum and dad are likely the primary beneficiaries of any will or trust, considering…his circumstances.

It's concerning to learn that given his long history of drug abuse, reckless behavior and near death experiences there is no mention of his parents ever attempting to get conservatorship. If his access to his money had been limited early on maybe there would have been no colon-bursting opioid abuse.

Celine Dion has that stiff person syndrome. It's incurable. Meds can stop the progression but they can't cure it.

She's not really going to be around past her mid 60s, I'd wager.

[quote] I don't mean edit the coroner's report. Doesn't the family have a right to privacy? If his death was drug related, does the general public have to know? If the parents only want closest family and friends to know, don't they have that right?

In California, a coroner's report is a public record. The family could go to court and ask a Judge to issue an order sealing it but at the moment -- after my evening cocktail(s) -- I can't think of a reason a court would grant that order. Generally, the coroner's report is discreet and avoids sordid details unrelated to cause of death.

Didn't Bob Saget's wife request a sealing of his autopsy report?

Off to google whether that was granted...

Thanks for the interesting info, R322.

Well I read Kobe Bryant's horrifying autopsy report. If anyone's report should have been sealed it should have been Kobe's.

more R312 - with reenactments featuring someone as Perry who looks nothing like him.

[quote] My guess is that he relapsed. I wonder what was the longest time he was sober.

My guess is suicide. I think it is one of the reasons his '"Friends" co-stars waited so long to produce such a neutral, milquetoast statement.

This is the statement of his "best friend" and sober companion. She is believed to be the personal assistant who was sent away and returned to find him deceased in that unfortunate, unfairly-maligned Jacuzzi tub. Her message is somewhat reserved and measured following the 'shocking' discovery of her best friend's corpse, who is alleged to have experienced a sudden, unexpected death.

About 4 or 5 mg of Xanax could have stopped the respiration of a middle-aged man with COPD. Coroner will not find enough water in airways or lungs to deem drowning a cause of death -- unless he is paid off by the family.

His death is far less sordid than his life the details of which we know in large part thanks to Matthew. So why the concern over a coroner's report?

[quote] Didn't Bob Saget's wife request a sealing of his autopsy report?

He died in Florida. A state where literacy is a sin and firearms have civil rights.

[quote] His death is far less sordid than his life the details of which we know in large part thanks to Matthew. So why the concern over a coroner's report?

Life insurance...

r327 that is a statement from his FORMER assistant and sober companion, not his current assistant. There's no way that assistant would release a statement at this point when even the homicide unit is still investigating his death.

I read both his former assistant/sober companion's statement as well as another report last night that the homicide unit is investigating because of his celebrity status (it's apparently rather par for the course in these cases).

No, i can't recall where i read both of these reports, but they were linked through one of the many threads on this board.

R330 a life insurance company would have access to the report.

a life insurance company would surely read the toxicology report

[quote] [R330] a life insurance company would have access to the report.

Yes...that is why there is concern over its eventual content. The insurer can deny to pay a benefit based on some causes of death -- i.e. suicide, death occasioned by the insured's reckless behavior, etc.

Schwimmer managed to graduate from Northwestern. OK it's not Vassar but still he can't be a total idiot.

[quote] [R327] that is a statement from his FORMER assistant and sober companion, not his current assistant. There's no way that assistant would release a statement at this point when even the homicide unit is still investigating his death.

I am somewhat familiar with how death works. For instance, a dead person does not have a "current" assistant. A dead person would only have a "former" assistant.

I could be mistaken because I am only extraordinarily beautiful, glamorous and smart -- not perfect -- but I believe the author of that statement @r327 was Perry's assistant at the time of his death.

but no one on DL has a stake in that claim R334that was my point.

[Quote] His death is far less sordid than his life the details of which we know in large part thanks to Matthew. So why the concern over a coroner's report?

[Quote]Schwimmer managed to graduate from Northwestern. OK it's not Vassar but still he can't be a total idiot.

Colleges graduate tons of idiots. He became an actor and read what was written.

Megyn Kelly had to get her stinky cunt involved

The wrong one died!

I like how Andrew Klavan says he has no interest in celebrities yet agrees to comment on Matthew's death.

r336 It's not from the assistant at the time of his death. Here's the article I read last night that says that person - Briana Brancato - wasn't his assistant at the time of his death - it was a former assistant.

[quote] Perry was discovered by his assistant — not Brancato — two hours after he asked her to run him an errand, per TMZ.

Not sure why i'm having trouble posting the article - perhaps too long of a link. It's a NYPost article from yesterday. So here it is on tinyurl.

Ah, the new townhouse that David Schwimmer built at 331 East 6th Street looks nice, is understated and in keeping with the neighbourhood. Supposedly the old one he demolished was in poor shape because it wasn't properly maintained. There are always flakes bitching about everything under the sun.

^^^ The newly built townhouse in brown brick.

[quote] It's concerning to learn that given his long history of drug abuse, reckless behavior and near death experiences there is no mention of his parents ever attempting to get conservatorship. If his access to his money had been limited early on maybe there would have been no colon-bursting opioid abuse.

OMG. He was 54 years old. His parents were in their 70s, at least. These aged parents are supposed to try to get a conservatorship over him? It's really frustrating how people think that family members of rich addicts can just make things happen.

Britney Spears' experience was an anomaly, an outlier. For the most part, rich addicts live unfettered.

^^Submitted for your approval: one Johnny Depp.

What do our Tasteful Friends say about the Pacific Palisades "Mansion"? It looks like a poultry farm to me.

Nonetheless R344 The wrong one died!

I'm surprised he lived there. The houses in the neighborhood were all built up to the property lines. Very modest-looking, considering he was one of the six "Friends" actors. I think he had a 2-car garage, IIRC. Yes, he did have a spectacular view of the city.

In another thread, a poster said that he was living in the house during renovations. THAT was really surprising. One of the perqs of being rich should be that you can live elsewhere during renovations.

I guess he really did blow through millions on private planes to get more drugs, etc.

R341 I was never interested in Matthew Perry until recently when he came out with his book. I never watched Friends or Seinfeld or any crappy sitcoms after the invention of cable.

[quote] [R336] It's not from the assistant at the time of his death. Here's the article I read last night that says that person - Briana Brancato - wasn't his assistant at the time of his death - it was a former assistant.

OK. Got it. Occasionally being wrong is a small price to pay for beauty.

[quote]R244 Surprising to learn they only made $22,500 per episode in the first season. How did the paupers make ends meet?

They were making LESS than Our Dear Suzanne was before she went on her 1981 salary strike? Probably she was the one who shepherded them all through asking for more.

[quote] OMG. He was 54 years old. His parents were in their 70s, at least. These aged parents are supposed to try to get a conservatorship over him? It's really frustrating how people think that family members of rich addicts can just make things happen.

???!!! Well, yeah, 20 years ago when he was spending his millions on drugs. Not today, when he is dead.

[quote]r307 I still think it's a little unfair that the media gets to report all the details of the coroner's report. Complete strangers don't need to know all this info. There should be some privacy.

We, The Public, paid his salary via ticket sales, subscriptions, viewing hours, and the like. Naturally, as night follows day, it is we The Public who are owed access to all details on what we purchased.

No way, R355. All celebrities are entitled to a private life.

It's weird. When someone is sick in the hospital, all the doctors and nurses are tight lipped about the patient's medical info. They'll only tell you about his/her medical condition and prognosis if you're a close relative. But when someone dies, the coroner's report is a public document.

R356, dead people aren't entitled to anything. Not the same as leaking medical info about a celeb who is still alive

R307 But so what if he did relapse? I'll have ten years sober on the 9th of November. I didn't stay sober cause I thought Matthew Perry was, and I wouldn't relapse if I thought he did. He gave it a good fight and he continued to fight, despite falling off the wagon a few times. If anything, this would only help people in driving home the point that this shit is life or death. I wouldn't think any less of him or his character. I didn't think less of Chris Cornell or Robin Williams for drinking again. I realized that that's what killed them and that it is to be avoided.

[quote]Two years later, while attending rehab in Switzerland, Perry faked pain to get a prescription for 1,800 milligrams of Oxycontin per day and was having daily ketamine infusions. He was given propofol in conjunction with a surgery, which stopped his heart for five minutes. The resulting cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) resulted in eight broken ribs. He paid $175,000 for a private jet to take him to Los Angeles to get more drugs. When doctors there refused, Perry spent another $175,000 to take a private jet back to Switzerland. In 2022, he estimated that $9 million was spent on his addiction, including 14 stomach surgeries, 15 stays in rehab, [bold]and therapy twice a week for 30 years.[/bold] Perry also asserted that he had attended approximately 6,000 Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.

What the hell were they doing in those therapy sessions for 30 years?

$350,000 for a pointless flight. Maybe if had lived to 80, he would have wasted all his money by then.

The Daily Mail is looking for his mystery date of the night before he died.

Matthew Perry enjoyed a meal with a mystery woman the day before he died

The Friends star sat down at the Hotel Bel-Air in California

Do you know this woman? Email will.potter@mailonline.com

[quote]What the hell were they doing in those therapy sessions for 30 years?

Whatever it was, it wasn't working.

R358, Robin Williams died of suicide and was clean and sober at the time. Depression killed him, not alcohol or drugs.

Per his book, the lesbian assistant Perry hired (because he couldn’t work with any woman he could asleep with) was someone he met in rehab. Because that’s a great idea.

Her name was Erin or Erica. Not sure if she was still l working for him.

He should have hired a hot young man as an assistant 😆.

Since Matthew's father was also a famous actor we know his age, too - his father is 82. Mother may be slightly younger by a few years.

Robin Williams had been diagnosed with a very cruel form of dementia. I don't think of his death as suicide as much as a mercy killing. He was losing his facilities and hated it.

I think he was diagnosed with Lewy's body dementia. It's more debilitating than other forms and affects movement as well as cognition.

*faculties

If you kill yourself, intentionally, it is suicide -regardless of the reason.

[Quote] We, The Public, paid his salary via ticket sales, subscriptions, viewing hours, and the like. Naturally, as night follows day, it is we The Public who are owed access to all details on what we purchased.

We know so much of the sordid details of his life thanks to his book What's left to tell?

R318, celebrities (and people in general) die. Deal with it.

BTW, I love Celine.

R355 is a fucking crazy bitch

R355 is joking.

Early toxicology reports show he tested negative for fentanyl and meth.

Why wasn’t this titled, “Matthew Perry is Dead to Me, Part 2: Jacuzzi Boogaloo”?

He never used fentanyl or meth so that is not surprising. Equally surprising would be if he didn’t od on prescription anti anxiety meds or opioids like oxy/vicodin.

R363 Oh okay, I wasn't sure if he was drinking the night he died. If he had been, I get it. I wouldn't discount the strides he had previously made. Same with Chris Cornell. This shit reminds me why I don't drink anymore.

The home he demolished was up for landmark status. With his money couldn't he have purchased another home say on the UES?

No, I didn't want to live in New York, R379. I had a goddamn infinity jacuzzi that overlooked Hollywood, you can't get that in New York! Also, 3 words; year round pickleball!

Yeah but there are plenty of historical townhouses in the Lower East Side, R379. It's not like this was the last one. One local said the demolished house was in rough shape.

To be honest, the townhouse Schwimmer built looks nicer than the genuine historical ones.

Schwimmer bought and demolished the property for pure profit. He bought it years ago. He tore it down years ago. He built a brick heap with a rooftop terrace block and will eventually sell it for 10x what he paid for it.

Does anyone know if he even lives in it? He probably rents it out.

J'Accuse...!

R381 R382 Schwimmer's publicist doing damage control

It's cruel that he had just replaced the old fiberglass hot tub with that sexy modern pool and jaccuzi situation, only to DIE in it not long after.

East Village locals are reportedly angry with the actor, who purchased the beautifully preserved 1852 Tuscan-inspired townhouse a couple years ago, for choosing to have it demolished so that he could build a new townhouse, better suited to his liking. EV Grieve has been tracking his neighbors' disagreement with his decision since building plans were announced.

R379 / R387 is talking about Schwimmer, R380.

R380 is higher than Matt if he thinks this house in the Palisades had a view of Hollywood…

Does anyone know if David Schwimmer's EV townhouse has a jacuzzi?🤞🤞🤞

David Schwimmer's career seemed to grind to a halt compared to the other cast members.

(^.^) What about Matt Le Blank?

LeBlanc had an HBO show for 6 years and some other show for 4 years.

He went through all that colon stuff, which sounded horrible, and somehow survived. Only to end up drowning in a bathtub?

[Quote] LeBlanc had an HBO show for 6 years and some other show for 4 years.

can't recall. Did they have titles? Seems like they weren't successful.

Man with a Plan 69 episodes

Episodes 41 episodes

Joey 46 episodes

[quote]Like the time Buffy mysteriously got a new hairstyle when she was resurrected in season six of BtVS).

That's hardly surprising. Think of all the talented hairstylists on the Other Side. You'd be dropping in to one of those salons too.

He always looked like a tormented budgerigar, the type that picks its own feathers until its bare skin shows.

r398 That might possibly be my favorite description of anyone, ever.

His late in life look reminds me of an acquaintance who was a boozer. This man also smelled bad from the fact that he rolled his own cigarettes.

Mystery woman on the last date with Matthew is identified!

Athenna Crosby, a model and entertainment reporter posted a tribute to Matthew and confirmed that she was the woman in the viral picture.

She wrote: "I am so devastated from his death but felt it was in poor taste to talk about it publicly as the attention should not be on me but rather on him and his legacy and he was an extremely private person and I always respected that in our friendship."

Athenna added in another post that he was in "extremely good spirits" and was "happy and vibrant" during their last meeting.

Extremely good spirits is perhaps a poor choice of words.

Oh, my goodness, yes r399. I've had budgies and parakeets for years. Their puffed up facial, cheek, and throat feathers when they're roosting and warbling before sleep exactly mimics Perry's later years appearance.

[quote]The home he demolished was up for landmark status. With his money couldn't he have purchased another home say on the UES?

I assume the wealthy parts of the Upper East Side are full of very right wing hedge fund managers, bankers, businessmen. Schwimmer doesn't have much in common with that crowd. He prefers the vibe of the Lower East Side. He's still a cool, hip and happening young man 😆.

Actually R403 my point was why that particular piece of land under a building being designated for landmark status when there are so many homes and neighborhoods that he could of had including the EV. But what what was once the cool has EV is no more and that scene has moved to Brooklyn anyway. The East Village is party city for trust fund babies and college students.

BTW he ain't been happening for years.

[quote]BTW he ain't been happening for years.

The cool, hip and happening young man part was sarcasm. My attempt at humor. No 57 year old is young.

Well, the city should have had its act together and designated that building as a landmark even before he bought it.

I wonder what condition the interior was in. Maybe it needed a LOT of work and it would have been very difficult to find someone willing to restore it.

and now everyone knows where he lives and neighbors resent him. Dumb move. And people who have money and use it to get what they want sounds like the people you'd find in some parts of the UES where he'd fit right in.

THIS IS NOT A DAVID SCHWIMMER THREAD!!!

Why the hijacking attempt?

6th Street? Is that the old Indian Restaurant Row? (not to be confused with Little India which was in 20s)

(^.^) I believe that's 7th between 1st and 2nd Avenues

[Quote]THIS IS NOT A DAVID SCHWIMMER THREAD!!!

R407 not a hijack; it drifted but not very far. btw it's not a failed attempt .

This is not a scientific forum discussing serious matters. If the thread drifts to David Schwimmer's torn-down townhouse in the East Village, it's OK.

I really liked Uprising.

There was a pap pic of David out in public before the Friends statement was released. I was waiting for a Where's Your Heart? judgment heading in the papers.

The Hollywood Reporter makes the claim that it's like when a Beatle died. I think I am okay with the analogy.

Actually the quote came from Warren Littlefield, the former NBC honcho who greenlit Friends.

At its height, Littlefield recalls, Friends would get as many as 50 million people watching an episode live on Thursday nights, with north of 75 million tuning in to NBC's "Must-See TV" lineup - roughly a third of the country. "You didn't want to go to work the next day and be at the watercooler or coffeemaker if you weren't ready to participate in the collective experience and recount it the next day. That will never be found again," Littlefield tells THR. "Teenagers today have no idea this existed on a network called NBC. Multiple generations have come to discover the show and claim that it's theirs, an indication that Friends uniquely stands the test of time. There aren't many TV shows that can accomplish that."

That's probably true, and yet its appeal and charm always eluded me. I watched an occasional episode, and it was usually "meh". Of all the characters Lisa Kudrow was the only consistently funny one, and the directors made her almost a caricature. Most of the other women were vapid and whiny, and of the men, the least funny to me was Matthew Perry. Still, I feel bad for his spiral into alcoholism and ultimately into death.

Maybe I'm wrong but I always felt it was not a show meant to appeal on any level to gay men.

So thin and not just in comparison to Rosie

[quote]Maybe I'm wrong but I always felt it was not a show meant to appeal on any level to gay men.

I think not, menluvinguy. I'm 100 % gay and I loved it, at least in the early seasons. Then it went on too long and the scripts declined in quality.

I read a story about a guy (in the U.K., I think) who poked fun at his son for being obsessed with the show in its initial run. He didn't see the appeal. Then the dad watched the show in reruns and became absolutely hooked.

Maybe this deserves a poll then?

In the same decade, we had "Friends", "Frazier" and "Will and Grace". I would be curious which would be voted the favorite of gay audiences. (Will and Grace started a few years later, but there was an overlap of half a decade).

R419 The Nanny 1993-1999

If only FraSier could be given its proper due.

Frasier is #2

Friends' Helen Baxendale appears DOWNCAST since Matthew Perry death. She also looks bad with no makeup.

Matthews teeth are so odd

After Matthew Perry 54 and Tyler Christopher . . . .

R425, Amateur!

In the video at R424, you can see that the women in the cast were absolutely determined not to become overweight.

Perry's teeth are so white, they must glow in the dark. They do look weird and very fake.

R427 Perry said most of his teeth were false because he lost most of his original choppers due to his drug habit.

That makes sense, R428. Hunter Biden went through the same thing.

The women have all stayed painfully thin, which can't be easy at their ages. At some point it becomes silly, because no matter how thin you are in your sixties and above, you will not be lusted after. It's simple biology - there's no need for old people to look hot because they can't healthily procreate (old sperm can sometimes result in a child, but typically ones with problems).

I think Candice Bergen has the right idea - go ahead and enjoy dessert as long as you don't become downright obese. Plump old people are perfectly fine.

R430 They likely struggle to stay thin to make themselves employable rather fuckable.

One thing I had forgotten about was how spontaneously funny Perry could be. Watch the Friends outtakes for examples.

R432 There was a celebrity charades show that aired over the summer a decade ago. It was hosed by Jane Lynch (remember when she hosted everything) but the celebrities rotated every episode or so. One particular episode had Martin Short and Matthew Perry among the players. Few things have made me laugh harder than Perry's off-the-cuff remarks inspired by his annoyance of Short's showboating. Wish it were available anywhere, I'd love to see it again, especially now.

R431 Probably, but why? They are very rich and, while not elderly, they are at an age which most people who can afford to do so retire early. So why starve yourself in order to be up for the role of "hot girl's mom"?

R434 When actors reach superstardom, it's less about the money and more about not wanting to give up the fame and all that goes along with it, so they do what they need to do to remain in the spotlight.

I remember seeing some show with Rosie O'Donnell and Gloria Estefan, and they were both talking about the double-edged sword of fame. The downside is that you lose your anonymity and privacy, but the upside is that you get all the spoils - luxury hotels, private jets, invitations to lavish events, being catered to 24/7. Both of them said that's very difficult to give up once you've had a taste of it.

Friends became a show about uteruses.

Is Rachel pregnant? Who’s the father?

Is Phoebe pregnant, carrying triplets?

Is Monica pregnant? Will she ever become pregnant?

Turning Phoebe into a breed cow with a rented uterus was the absolute limit

Chandler Bing’s snark and sarcasm was very much of its time, the 1990s. It was the television family hour version of the mocking, ridiculing, put down humor of Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh who each came to national prominence in the same decade.

River Phoenix was a junkie. That is the only reason Matt heaped praise on him.

Phoenix seemed awfully talented in "My Own Private Idaho". He was acting circles around Keanu.

Keanu Reeves is not known for his acting.

That's true of every other co-star in every other movie Keanu has been in, R439.

Keanu got positive reviews for "My Own Private Idaho". Not sure what critics were praising. I don't see it.

[Quote] The Hollywood Reporter makes the claim that it's like when a Beatle died. I think I am okay with the analogy.

Pure hyperbole. There's no comparison between the impact and popularity of the Beatles and Friends. The Beatles a cultural phenomenon and cultural revolution. Their music was everywhere for decades and their appearances caused pandemonium. See Robert Zemeckis' I Wanna Hold Your Hand which deals with the phenomena of Beatlemania. Their songs were covered by so many artists and their success was cross generational. At the height of Beatlemania their popularity extended to film: A Hard Day's NIght, Help! and Yellow Submarine. Even in the 70s when they disbanded George, Paul, John and Ringo had successful solo careers.

Plus, young people don’t know what muzak was. It was everywhere. Restaurants, doctors offices, stores, elevators. It wasn’t radio music or streaming music. They were tapes and they were purely instrumental. At one point about 70% of muzak was Beatles music.

I kind of miss muzak. You couldn’t sing along. If you were in the mood you might hum along. But it kept things sedate. As long as the muzak was playing, all was right with the environment you were in. It was an attempt to calm the masses and it kind of worked. The1960s were the height of research for sociologists/psychologists. Department stores hired researchers to make shopping a more pleasurable experience so people would stay in stores longer and buy more things. Wide aisles, lots of ambient lighting, salespeople folding clothing in the aisles and asking, “Do you need anything?” And muzak to fill the air with sedate instrumental versions of I Want to Hold Your Hand.”

[quote]Perry's teeth are so white, they must glow in the dark.

Like this?

R407=Marcel the monkey. Take your meds dear and realize you can't control other people's keyboards. It's not that fucking serious.

For 300 million, I want 300 acres. Not some roadside produce stand

That series was full of unadulterated misogyny…

R448 It's literal violence!

No but it was an established motif in the writing, across all seasons.

R449, disgruntled hump.

Rachel Green should have been Black.

R452 is probably a Mike Johnson fan

Chandler Bing should have been gay.

Water kills.

R454 Well, his father was.

R430 It sucks to be older but to be older and FAT is truly grim. Not so much about attractiveness to others, but not wanting to look in the mirror and think UG! Thinness isn’t really anti-aging but it helps. That said, Aniston and Cox have probably been a little extreme in this area.

[quote]r385 Schwimmer's publicist doing damage control

It’s possible Mathew Perry drank because Schwimmer was tearing down landmark buildings?

Matt Le Blanc emerges going for a drive in Los Angeles.

As he cruised around in his black G-Wagen, he attempted to keep a low profile under a pair of black shades and baseball cap.

[quote]Chandler Bing should have been gay.

I didn't watch Friends but seem to recall hearing a story at the time about the reason why Chandler and Monica became a couple -- supposedly it only happened because the show's producers and NBC had become vexxed that some viewers were saying Chandler and Joey acted so much like a gay couple that the writers should actually let their characters fall in love and get together. They instead had Chandler fall for Monica, which helped to get him away from Joey and into the arms of a woman, thus putting an end to such talk (plus the fans loved Chandler and Monica as a couple, so it all paid off).

Straight men don't fall in love with each other.

[Quote] It’s possible Mathew Perry drank because Schwimmer was tearing down landmark buildings?

R458 He tore down more than one!

R457 are you trying to say that Dildo Avenue still goes up ⬆️ into Jina Heights above 70th Street?

Something tells me the real problem was that Chandler’s thing didn’t Bing no more

331 East 6th Street wasn't a landmark building yet. The city had no foresight.

and Schwimmer had no consideration and few friends

People were especially angry because the building was being considered for a historic designation. "He paid a pretty penny and built some shiny silver thing," one neighbor told DNA Info. He's like a wart on the block. He doesn't belong here."

The cranky neighbour is just jealous of his money. Plenty of old buildings on the Lower East Side.

You can walk down all the blocks the LES and spot maybe 2 or 3 older buildings on each that have either architectural significance or having a striking facade. I have a friend who lives one block east and that building was probably the standout on that block. The residents resent that they tore down a charming old 3-story building that was earmarked for landmark status and replaced it with a upscale modern 6 story building that could have went up almost anywhere.

Sorry, R468, but the buildings on the Lower East Side just aren't that beautiful, unlike those on the Upper East Side. It's not a huge loss. It looks like all the rest of the buildings on that block are the original old ones.

61-65 East 82nd Street on UES

Plus 65 East 82nd Street is the Scientology Center. Win win.

R469 = Snob

R489 why in God’s green Earth are you comparing the UES to the LES. The historical and aesthetic values are completely different …that being said, David acted like a classic UES asshole in the way he bypassed a pending landmark designation on the LES.

For R469

Nope, R471. Someone who actually lives on the Lower East Side might correct me, but I don't think there's an epidemic of historical buildings being torn down in that neighbourhood and being replaced with new ones.

The person who was quoted at R466 should have bought 331 East 6th Street and spent a fortune renovating it. Oh right. Nobody wanted to do that.

The demolished 331 East 6th Street. It's all right but it's kind of bland. Still don't think it's a huge loss.

How long does it take before we find out if Chandler the junkie had drugs in his system at the time of death?

I think Matthew Perry would be unhappy that a thread about him turned into a discussion about David Schwimmer's architectural choices. And he'd have something to say about it.

Very funny scene, R445. Thanks.

R575 it’s not bland, except for the cheap paint. That Italianate style is worthy of landmark status, as anyone who lives in the West Village or Chelsea could attest. There’s a constant race between asshole purchasers and the assholes at Landmarks. It’s tale as old as time…

Ugh R475

Not without my building!!!!

Perry should get over himself, R477.

I just read Matthew's book on Scribd.com. He sure had kind of a grim childhood and adulthood. He wrote that when he had colic as a baby, a doctor prescribed phenobarbital which was given to him for 30 days. He speculates that his addiction was activated at a very early age... He also said that he would trade his fame and millionaire lifestyle to switch places with a broke friend with diabetes who lived in a rent controlled apartment, to not have to deal with his addiction...

Addicted babies are the worst!

That's interesting, r483. Nancy Spungeon, who was Sid Viciou's girlfriend, was given phenobarbital as an infant because she was a "difficult" baby. She went on to have a raging heroine addiction.

It’s all his parents’ fault…boo hoo

[quote]Perry became addicted to Vicodin after a jet-ski accident in 1997, and he completed a 28-day rehab program at the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation that year. His weight dropped as low as 128 pounds (58 kg), and he took as many as 55 Vicodin pills per day.

He said that from the start, he liked the way Vicodin made him feel and he wanted to get more.

I don't know if this was the start of his addiction to drugs or if it's just an imposed narrative. He said in his book that he was an alcoholic at age 14. Pretty shocking.

Colic in a baby is just crying and fussiness in an otherwise healthy baby. Crazy that these babies were given drugs for that.

Perry's family was seen out and about in LA on Friday

[quote]She went on to have a raging heroine addiction.

Nancy was no heroine but she did like injecting heroin.

Sorry, R485. I couldn't resist the spelling mistake.

Heroin, not heroine at r485

Yikes, the changes that come with age are not pretty. Suzanne Perry should have covered up a bit more.

Yeah, for some reason I almost always tack on the "e" on heroin, and Newsom even though he's been my governor for nearly eight years and I see his name in the paper nearly every day.

The town house was beautifully preserved according to EV Grieve

A caller told the DOB on Nov. 30 that workers are "doing unsafe demolition and it is causing his building to shake and it may cause structural damage."

I'm dead and you people are talking about townhouses?

Could you be any more Dataloungers?

His mother is dressed inappropriately for the circumstances. (Her decrepitude and recent death of Matt)

[quote] I'm dead and you people are talking about townhouses?

We have to move on with our lives.

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Exactly, R496. Why can't she be stylish and well dressed while grieving for her son? The saggy wrinkled skin on her arms and legs is not a good look.

Oh okay. The Daily Mail says that initial toxicology tests did not show fentanyl or meth in Perry's system, but more in-depth testing is underway. I thought he was addicted to opioids in the past. I'm assuming meth isn't an opioid.

Toxicology shmocksicology

That's true. Whether it's drugs or a heart attack, the end result is the same.

R496 A loose linen shirt and pants would look so much better. Keith Morrison looks good in a tidy button down and long pants.

I was just going to say that, R503. Her husband is dressed so much better.

Looks like he is being buried at “I’m famous” Forest Lawn. Page Six had pics of Jennifer there with her bodyguards. Why in the hell does she need bodyguards? She’s not Madonna.

Ah, DL, where a newly-bereaved mother's fashion choices are critiqued...

He mentioned to Diane Sawyer he was writing a screenplay. Today the news comes that it was for a biopic and he wanted Zac Efron to play him.

Right, Kit. If you walked past an elderly lady dressed like this, you wouldn't be the least judgemental.

They are both mixing up colors.

R499, You’re mistaking a photo of her and Keith walking their dog with how they were dressed for the funeral.

I'm genuinely sorry he died so young. But if the book (in his own voice and words) is to be believed, the guy was beyond exhausting. It's no wonder he died at 54.

His mom has kept thin for 80plus years. Let her show her skinny shit off

R510, I'm sure his mother dressed well for the funeral but I am talking about the way she was dressed when walking the dog. She must think her body looks very good for someone her age. These pics will change her mind.

Perry's mom 43 years ago with Prime Minister Trudeau père

More Suzanne Perry

While, for this one instance, I understand why a Mom who is going to bury her son doesn't have covering herself properly uppermost in her mind, and, I suppose some would say she shouldn't have to give a shit, still, I agree with r513.

As soon as gravity claimed my female body, in Summer, I covered my upper arms with no shorter than elbow length sleeves and long shorts were only for the golf course.

I know some feel that nobody should have to cover-up, and maybe so, but I just won't show my body unless it's properly covered.

Cary Grant once said no one over 35 should show their elbows in public.

Paraphrasing Carrie Fisher in Wishful Drinking . . .

No one has seen me naked in 10 years and no one has seen me sleeveless in 15.

So, people who are old are not allowed to be comfortable? I used to feel this way about myself when I was fat.

Now that I'm old and still have fat arms, I don't give two shits. I started wearing tank tops this summer for the first time in my life and I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of me.

Life's too short and too hot to give a fuck about the neighbors.

[quote]r489 Perry's family was seen out and about in LA on Friday

Probably window shopping.

Already spending the money…

No, R519. We have to have rules in society. We can't have old people walking around half naked, looking like re-animated corpses. They'll scare the children.

As someone said earlier, Suzanne Perry could have worn loose clothes made from a fabric that breathes.

I have a lot of sun damage on my forearms from my sun worshiping days. I'm starting to care less about what it looks like.

Suzanne looked like Susan George when she was young and Trudeaud.

To me she looks like a Québecoise in the photo at R514.

Ghoul Keith Morrison talking to his wife several months from now: "So tell me, do you still picture your son being alive and calling you on the phone to tell you that he loves you?"

I was watching him press a lady into tears tonight on a Dateline show. He wasn't happy until he had her breaking down at the memory of her murdered friend.

Despicable.

[quote]R428 Perry said most of his teeth were false because he lost most of his original choppers due to his drug habit.

You'd think his dentist would have made them a natural shade of white. He did a terrible job.

The teeth look bizarre in the photo at R498. He did choose a terrible dentist.

Friends has a strict, effective narrative structure. Every episode has 3 stories: the main, the side, and the anecdotal. Every episode has 3 acts for each story. Introduction, development, conclusion-denouement. Once you become a fan, this structure is like crack - very comforting and fulfilling. I was a snob about that series when it was on but came to respect and like it years later when I was teaching students from all over the world, in Switzerland. So many young people (of all intellects) really enjoyed that series and its entrée to English language and American culture.

[quote]The teeth look bizarre in the photo at [R498]. He did choose a terrible dentist.

And in the video at R424, (as R427 mentioned). It's awkward and distracting watching him because of how white they are.

R628 just described hundreds of sitcoms

Nothing original in that structure.

I didn't claim it was original. Rather it's effective.

I just happened to see the Friends episode where Ross gets hit in the face with an ice hockey puck and is taken to the hospital by Chandler and Joey. Chandler yelling We need lost of drugs is a bit awkward in retrospect.

But then I also saw the one where Chandler is trapped in a bank vestibule with a model which is like a play .

[Quote]Paraphrasing Carrie Fisher in Wishful Drinking . . .No one has seen me naked in 10 years

Not even James Blunt?

Popcorn legend Orville Redenbacher also died in a hot tub in a similar fashion, albeit he was super old.

The best Friend

I thought you were joking, R535! That's wild. I picture Orville as naked in the Jacuzzi except for his iconic bowtie.

Orville popped off when the temperature was just right!

Isn't it risky for someone that old to get in a hot tub? And I'm not just talking about the danger of falls. The heat and frailty.

Yes, we've discussed this. People with heart problems should avoid hot tubs.

Pregnant women should also avoid hot tubs.

If they're not cleaned properly, they can cause problems for everyone.

Don't get the appeal of hot tubs. Why would you want to soak in water that's uncomfortably hot?

It’s relaxing.

I just don't like the idea of sitting in a hot tub with other people, especially if they have dirty cooters. Otherwise I'm OK with it.

Hot tubs are great when you are young and healthy.

R545, I am no longer either one.

[quote]He did choose a terrible dentist.

He wasn't known for making good choices.

I think his teefs were the least of his problems.

R 548 Then at least he could have gotten them fixed and had a chin implant and a shorter haircut.

You like my teeth? Gee, thanks, just bought it!

[quote]The saggy wrinkled skin on her arms and legs is not a good look.

Listen, little homosexual boy. I looked fabulous. I'm 84 but I have the body of a 54 year old.

[quote]Addicted babies are the worst!

How can you do the twelve steps if you can't even walk twelve steps?

I'm dead and you people want me to get a chin implant and a haircut? Never change, DL.

And a better set of teeth.

He was laid to rest yesterday in a small ceremony.

It's sad how so many famous and very rich people end up living unenviable lives and dying relatively young and for dumb reasons.

Maybe his stomach looked fat because he had a colostomy bag.

Any pics from the private ceremony?

So, gay or straight? He did meet a 25 year-old "entertainment reporter" the evening before the day he died. But it doesn't sound like she spent the night with him.

She described it as lunch in her statement, r559

One hell of a long service.

[QUOTE]The funeral service at the Forest Lawn cemetery, near Warner Bros Studios, is said to have lasted two hours.

ceremony pics.

Jen's pain as she attends emotional funeral. She dreaded this day for TWENTY YEARS. Oh, the drama!

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Suzanne wore a red floral dress while everyone else wore black.

Thank you, R)560.

It was a *sleeveless* floral dress. Who is the woman at the very end behind the coffin? Short shorts and black pantyhose? 😒

Suzanne Perry. Kind of an odd choice for a funeral but I guess it's not that bad. I'm sure there all kinds of fashions disasters at funerals, eg women with low cut dresses, etc.

Matthew's mom must think her arms look great.

I’m starting to suspect that Mom was probably the root of most of Matty’s problems.

Hahaha. Nah, she's just a fashion rebel.

No, not a fashion rebel. Just Canadian fashion sense.

What?! How dare you. Bieber knows how to dress.

Not every can be a style icon like American Sally Kirkland.

*everyone

[quote]What?! How dare you. Bieber knows how to dress.

So does La Belle Mendes.

He took a turn on a rough road. It happens.

[quote]Matthew Perry buried in private ceremony

Did they make sure he was actually dead before burying him?

From TMZ article linked above:

[QUOTE]One video, in particular, shows the three ladies heading into a church ... presumably where a service was held. No clear sign of DS and MLB, but ya gotta imagine they were on hand.

So the reports that all five cast mates attended are assumption?

What was the last concert tour Matt attended?

Drowned World by Madonna

R578 - I spotted them all in the pics.

The person being identified as Matt LeBlanc in the blurry funeral photos has a huge bald spot and doe snot look like LeBlanc.

*does not

What was Jennifer Aniston carrying into the funeral?

Brownies, r583.

Free samples of Lolavie by Jennifer Aniston haircare products.

Aveeda gift bags

Smart water.

DOOL memorabilia

Surely Schwimmer and LeBlanc would have attended Perry's funeral unless they got seriously ill on that day. I'm sure they were there.

All five are visible in the pics from the Daily Fail.

No dancing around in the fountain now.

R569 Perry is kind of an interesting addiction case, he seems to be one of the rare examples whose parents live seemingly stable lives into old age. He may have had a grandparent with the alcoholic gene. Frequency, addiction seems to skip a generation. Their children so traumatized by having an alcoholic parent, they don’t touch the stuff. A grandchild doesn’t have the same bad memories but does have the gene, so they are vulnerable.

Well, he did get phenobarbital as a baby, R592.

R592 is a stealth Ancestry.com advert

Was he a fag?

Nothing to do now but wait for the toxicology to come back. I would have bet the rent money it was fentanyl, but I was wrong.

Don't they have to do toxicology, too, to determine whether he experienced heart failure or a heart attack? Or is it enough to inspect the organ for damage? Or would the heart necessarily show signs of failure, as opposed to an attack.

I'm going with his ticker giving out. Surely, after all those years his heart had to be substantially weakened. I've read cases of people reporting unusual tiredness leading up to a coronary event. (Most recently this happened Grant Wohl, the journalist who died at the World Cup and Beverly Leslie. The latter had actually made a doctor's appt for it.) A tiring round of pickleball and a contraindicated soak in the jacuzzi.

Do we need Part III?

R597.he “did a lot of living” so I suspect is was a heart attack.

The strange Instagram posts over his final few weeks suggest to me he had recently relapsed.

Yes, someone please create a Part 3 (and hopefully there will only be 1)