Biden Has a Youth-Vote Problem. His Israel Policy Is Making It Worse.

Enough, Boris!

There a people STILL using the "Boris" thing on DL?

Earlier today.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- President Joe Biden’s job approval rating among Democrats has tumbled 11 percentage points in the past month to 75%, the worst reading of his presidency from his own party.

This drop has pushed his overall approval rating down four points to 37%, matching his personal low.

Student loans forgiveness is the most important issue for most voters 40 and under, if you want to call that youth. All these other issues are low priority. Student loans hit people where it hurts, in the pocket. The Dept. of Education is finding creative ways to absolve a good amount of SL debt, but overall Biden could not deliver the sweeping resolution that everyone hoped for. And even that would've still left most people with some debt.

The fact of the matter is that young people have seen consistent failure in US intervention in foreign wars for two decades, which is how old the youngest voters are. People now believe that nothing good comes from American intervention other than endless war. Even the immense support from liberals at the outset of the Ukraine invasion has receded as no progress has been made and Zelensky outstays his welcome.

I was one of the young people who bucked the Democrats old guard in 2008 and supported Obama because of his war opposition. Do not underestimate the youth’s immense distrust of the old guard, especially those who still uphold the conventional wisdom of those from the Cold War era. People in 2008 HATED Hillary because of her Iraq War vote. Young, Democratic voters. The Obama coalition.

Biden speaks about Israel like everyone in the room is a Jewish retiree in South Florida like that scene from Primary Colors. That world does not exist and young people have lived their whole live with Netanyahu’s zealots. They do not like Netanyahu’s Israel.

I have said in other threads, but if a true isolationist Republican or third party candidate emerges, Biden loses the election.

Of course he does.

That was part of the plan.

Honestly if they want Trump again fuck em. Its going to take real pain for them to learn.

Guessing most youth that would take this stance are in slam dunk blue states anyway.

[quote] Honestly if they want Trump again fuck em.

It was disgusting how Trump refused to give us any new wars

National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby Defends Biden Calling Death in Gaza the ‘Price of War’

Personally I agree with that but how will Gen Z reract to "You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs"

I wish all these ultra woke, “queer,” “respect my bullshit pronouns or else” fuckers would go live in a fundamentalist Islamic shithole that they seem to love so much.

Then set them straight, OP.

[quote]While no one expects the Dems to turn a 180 on Israel, one has to wonder how much political sense it makes for them to go as far as they have in their support for Israel's war effort.

Supporting Israel's war effort is the morally correct thing to do. Should that be weighted heavily in deciding what the administration's policy should be, or is it more important what young antisemitic voters want the administration to do?

[quote] Supporting Israel's war effort is the morally correct thing to do.

No, it’s not.

The under 40 crowd are overwhelmingly anti-Israel.

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R16 Genocide? Did you hear that on libs of TikTok?

If you let Trump win over a war that's happening half way around the world, you have no sense of reality or how to prioritize what actually is in your best interest. Say hello to 30 years of Supreme Court MAGA.

If the under-40 crowd thinks that Trump would be better for them, I have news: if they received any form of student loan forgiveness, Trump will claw it back. He hates the under-40 crowd of educated people. If he'll put children in cages and use family separation at the border as some sort of anti-immigration motivation, he'll have no qualms reversing every Biden policy put in place for the under-40 crowd. Reinstating forgiven debt is not out of the question... not for Trump.

The under-40 crowd is the generation that is going to suffer the most with climate change. Trump has already said he'll reverse all of the climate actions Biden took under the Inflation Reduction Act, and it will doom their generation on everything from the weather to the economy.

But don't worry, Trump has a tax cut for millionaires to offset the higher costs they'll see on everything, too.

And speaking of tax cuts, did you see the news about the $2Trillion deficit this year? The CBO put out a study explaining how we got here. The bottom line: the Bush tax cuts started the ball rolling, and the Trump tax cuts completed the job, as without them we'd have a balanced budget and could fully fund Social Security and Medicare for 75 years... you know, the period in which the under-40 crowd will retire. Think Trump and a GOP House won't try to cut taxes again? See Speaker MAGA Mike Johnson's first speech to the House.

And for what? Do they want us to abandon our only ally and the only liberal democracy in the Middle East? And what happens when, alone against Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, Israel is backed into a corner and uses their nukes?

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R20 At least she’s not a Muslim animal.

They're so against Biden, but the irony is that Trump and the Republicans couldn't give a damn about Palestinian lives and are rabidly pro-Israel as a nation state, esp. if they get back into power. The situation will only get fundamentally worse a hundred-fold, let alone the complete disintegration of our democracy here at home. These kids are about to get a brutal wake-up call, and they're going to take everyone down with them, including the focus of their cause.

[quote] Even the immense support from liberals at the outset of the Ukraine invasion has receded as no progress has been made and Zelensky outstays his welcome.

What a bizarre and fundamentally dishonest statement.

Ukraine has made huge gains recently, specifically against Russia’s navy, and how the fuck has Zelensky outstayed his welcome?

R23 Maybe the wacked out far left hates Zelensky because he’s a Jew.

That’s what happens when the president is 80 something.

[quote] Genocide? Did you hear that on libs of TikTok?

Huh? They support Israel.

This is such a lie.

Most voters, including young people, are self-centered and care WAY more about issues that directly affect their lives than foreign wars.

No one is going to be voting based on Israel. NO ONE.

Niki Haley would win easily but the GOP is hell-bent on sinking with Trump.

"That’s what happens when the president is 80 something."

Because Trump is so much younger, right?

[quote] If the under-40 crowd thinks that Trump would be better for them, I have news: if they received any form of student loan forgiveness, Trump will claw it back.

They’ve already spoken out against it. There’s more in the fine print. They’re still not off the hook.

[quote]I was one of the young people who bucked the Democrats old guard in 2008 and supported Obama because of his war opposition.

Barry really was a mega fraudster. Winning the presidency as anti war then going from 2 wars that Bush lead in Middle east to 7.

His sponsors were really clever, they shut all the war protesters, because they were afraid that protesting against Obama would be seen as racist. Maybe his peace Nobel prize impressed them too, you know how crowds can be stupid, they believe more the authorities than their own eyes.

Can Biden win over Caitlyn?

[quote] Winning the presidency as anti war then going from 2 wars that Bush lead in Middle east to 7.

Peace Prize winner Obama got off on that.

Biden needs to get the hell out of the way and put someone who can win in.

This isn’t a nursing home.

For Biden the "youth vote" is anybody born after the Howdy Doody show was cancelled

"Biden supported Israel so I'm going to help elect a guy who will actively cheer the destruction of Palestinians."

"Biden hasn't waved a magic wand and made my loan disappear so I'm going to help elect a guy who will never ever lift a finger to make it happen."

A challenger jumps into the ring:

He should just wave a Hammas flag and celebrate rape and violence to endear himself with the young intellectuals our system had bread. I'm only half kidding.

Great idea. Sit out the election. Get trump, who wants to drop nukes on the Palestinians.

When are millennials and gen z ever going to grow up? You can’t always get exactly what you want. Sometimes throwing a temper tantrum makes things ten times worse. But you know what? It’s their future they’re wrecking, not mine.

"The kids" are idiots.

The bottom line is that Oct. 7 was a fundamentalist Islamic jihadist attack on a democracy.

That is what Gen Z is supporting.

According to a recent poll, 51% of Gen Z think the Oct. 7 attack on Israel was justified.

We are fucked.

Like those complaining now bout trump, those who did not vote for Clinton when they had the chance, the youth, those under 35, may well stay home in enough numbers to make a difference. The Dems have in modern history always depended on the youth vote and POC. And at one time labor.

The first group may stay home and not vote in large enough numbers and the POC will be conflicted by trumps choice of VP..

This current war will not be over soon and more and more Americans and the world will turn against it.

Biden ALSO has a SENILITY problem.

I I can’t imagine Israel being an important issue a year from now no matter what happens there. Young voters also care about abortion and gay rights. Will they give the federal government to Christian fundamentalists??

Next year we'll be facing a different set of crises.

Biden's a veteran politician, and he's getting advice on the youth vote. Already He's been shifting the US message from rabidly pro-Israel to addressing the issues of Palestinian citizens.

And young people are total slogan-humping idiots when it comes to Isreal.

Trump ALSO has a SENILITY problem.

There fixed it for you.

*Israel

Young voters may simply feel powerless and ambivalent and choose not to vote. These people who have grown up with active shooter drills and still see gun violence escalating, feel that those of Biden’s generation have the wrong priorities.

Young people don’t CARE if the Israelis don’t feel safe. AMERICAN IS NOT SAFE.

Well letting Republicans win elections isn’t going to end gun violence. The opposite actually.

Biden is the only guy that actually help right a bill to end gun violence. If young people don't know that, they are acting out of shear ignorance. Is Google that hard?

[quote]The fact of the matter is that young people have seen consistent failure in US intervention in foreign wars for two decades, which is how old the youngest voters are.

r5 I don't know about that. A lot of us who were in middle school and high school when 9/11 happened definitely jumped on the "fuck Islam" train with zeal because of how traumatizing it was. A good portion of my peers either immediately joined the military after graduating high school or went to schools like West Point or Annapolis; specifically those who were seniors in 2002-2005.

Even pop culture hopped on the "pro-America/anti-Middle East" bandwagon after 9/11.

It doesn’t matter because gun violence has gotten worse. People will eventually disconnect and become ambivalent if they do not see results.

It's up to the youth to put forward young candidates if they want to see more change. Until then, go with the guy who's at least done something about it in the past and would do more if only a had just a few more Dems elected to Congress. Biden would be all over passing those laws if only he had the majority vote behind him.

I swear it's almost like the older generations underestimate how many moderate and conservative leaning millennials there actually are. Once again, the armed forces saw some of the largest numbers in recruitment after 9/11. Most of those recruits were fresh out of high school. Those recruits are now in their 30s and early 40s. Many of them deployed from a country that showed them unfettered support (even in the entertainment industry), only to return to a country years later that did a 180 during Obama's presidency and branded them "baby killers" and "invaders."

Most then got jobs in law enforcement where they were now even more hated by progressive Democrats. They remember that Israel supported them when they were serving their country during Operation Iraqi Freedom and some developed an almost clinical level of hatred for Islamic terrorists, Muslims and Islam as a religion in general when they were over there. They also supported the IDF's efforts against Hamas.

If Biden is smart, he will not turn on Israel so as not to lose the moderate Democrat millennials, especially veteran millennials who served in OIF. They propped up serving one's country after 9/11 and gave the youth the impression that they could be "heroes" if they signed up, and the entertainment industry pushed this borderline propaganda heavily. Now the Dems have to deal with the consequences of their "brainwash as many millennials as possible into joining the military" campaign circa 2001-2005.

Pssst r56

Millennials no longer constitute “the youth vote”

No, OP... the Youth have an Anti-Semitism problem.

Biden's Israel & Palestinian policies are not just fine, they perfectly thread the needle.

The college kids "outraged" are fucking morons and bigoted assholes, defending terrorists and attacking Jewish people. They're fucking Nazis, only from the LEFT.

I am so disgusted at every single person ignorantly and bigotedly attacking Joe Biden over this... fucking asshole terrorist enablers (both Hammas, and the GOP). There's something deeply wrong with them.

Completely agree r58.

In another thread, someone kept snapping at everyone that instead of “criticizing” the young people, we should focus all our rage on the MAGA trash.

Well guess what? If this article is to be believed, they will end up being one and the same.

If you sit out an election because of your Middle East virtue signaling anti-semitic bullshit and Trump gets elected again - you are essentially MAGA trash as well.

It’s truly unreal. These kids don’t give a fuck what’s happening in their own country and instead spend their time going after “zionists.”

Accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a bigot does not make your side look stronger.

It makes you look like the Trans.

[quote]Accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a bigot does not make your side look stronger.

Making stupid generalizations about, well, anybody, makes you look like a fucking idiot.

R58 Sadly, I believe you are right. Cause they don't give a flyinf care about Russia Ukraine, about endless wars in Africa, where people get tortured by neighbouring tribes. Hell, they don't care about their own country. So, this sudden love for Palestine is kinda fishy.

[quote]Biden ALSO has a SENILITY problem.

As someone whose mother passed this year due to dementia at 92, after seeing it start 15 years ago with tell-tale symptoms and the slow, horrible progression, this is not only insulting but FLAT OUT WRONG. Joe Biden is old. Joe Biden looks and acts his age. Joe Biden, however, is sharp, smart and probably the best president of our lifetimes. And he brings to the presidency the kind of experience, know-how and demeanor that the world (not just the US) needed after 4 years of a shit show and ultimately the near destruction of democracy writ large.

Joe Biden has overcome a lifetime of personal challenges, but that the GQP/trolls can't let his speech impediment go is just.... too much. You'd think the generations that have made neurodivergency the be-all and end-all of everything would accept that the most accomplished president since FDR has an issue with his brain that causes him to stutter and mix up words. Nope, ignore the fact that he's done more for the under-40 crowd than any president IN HISTORY and focus on his brainfarts that cause him to replace one word with another, like when he called the war in Ukraine the war in Iraq. Gosh, someone who lived through horrendous misadventure, including the lies told to launch it and eventually the task of bringing it to a conclusion, experiencing a minor slip of the tongue means that he's somehow deficient is just ludicrous.

I'm usually not the kind that wishes ill on others that a calmer and more level-headed person would not wish on their worst enemy, but I'm getting sick and disgusted with the people who go around screeching that Biden is too old and senile. So, my fervent wish is that anyone who says that Biden is too old and suffering from senility gets to experience what it is to watch someone they love, admire and respect slowly succumb to dementia (but not themselves because even though there are moments of realization, those are quickly forgotten). It really says something about a disease when, by the end, you're praying for death because watching someone who led a brilliant life slowly lose everything that meant anything to them is a kind of torture that I could not have imagined 15 years ago..

For the record, I agree that there is a strain of antisemitism unrelated to the Israeli occupation being voiced on college campuses.

But Israeli defenders bear partial responsibility of this with their constant accusations of antisemitism. If you relentlessly accuse everyone who questions Israel of being a bigot, they are no longer going to care about not appearing to look like a bigot.

"For Gen Z, TikTok Is the New Search Engine.

TikTok is the #1 search engine for more than half of Gen Z.

TikTok is the primary news source for many younger demos & while we have justifiable concerns about The New York Times & mainstream media, this has become a TikTok war.

I looked at the data and saw that Israel is losing the TikTok war by a longshot.

As an example, the top hashtag is 3b views for Palestine versus 200m views for Israel.

As I looked at the tactics and data, I saw that much of TikTok is being controlled by anti-Israel bot farms, paid commenters/likers/sharers — much of which is paid for by Hamas supporting organizations."

[quote] The bottom line is that Oct. 7 was a fundamentalist Islamic jihadist attack on a democracy.

The bottom line is that October 7 was an extremist militant resistance attack on a well-financed and diplomatically shielded colonial regime which, for 75 years, has stolen village land and committed the atrocities of apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

These neo-fascist Zionists all over these threads, like the very emotionally stable and sane Matt Anscher, support cruel violence against the Palestinians, and then they condemn the jihadi fundamentalism that has gained followers in Palestine thanks to that very same cruel violence. Talk about bootstrapping.

If the 10/7 attack is your kind of "resistance", go join Hamas or shut the fuck up.

You can blame TikTok as much as you want, the fact is that twenty years of Netanyahu have taken their toll on public opinion.

The average TikTokker never heard of Netanyahu before this.

Let's poll these under 40s, who are threatening to sit out, on July 1, 2024. That will be the day after the Roberts Court finishes releasing decisions from the 2023-2024 term.

[quote] He should just wave a Hammas flag and celebrate rape and violence to endear himself with the young intellectuals our system had bread. I'm only half kidding.

Joe has it within him to follow that advice and with minimal risk. The White House Press Secretary would as usual "walk it back" and the media would circle the wagons explaining that wasn't what he meant and anybody who says otherwise was being racist or was a liar.

Instagram too r65. Every post relating to music that I see is spammed with pro Palestine crap. I am assuming to reach the younger people.

Maybe he should get more facelifts.

I kidnapped and murdered six jihadis

I fisted their assholes and chopped up their bodies

I fed the remains to a fawn

And ejaculated on a Quran

And then relaxed and drank some hot toddies

Reuters LIVE: View of the Gaza skyline

Nothing visibly of interest yet but the audio is large blasts every few seconds. IDF is kicking ass tonight.

Islam is a real problem and people better wake up. None of us want to live under an Islamic majority government.

Research Lebanon please.

I know we’re gay and supposed to be liberal and love everyone, but supporting people that hate us is insane!

R4 - the student loan forgiveness he promised while campaigning. Genocide Joe is a tepid figurehead president in more ways than one. So versatile!

Thank you R76! Jesus, can people be stupid sometimes. The latest example is people not knowing the meaning of the word “genocide.” Genocide is when a government systematically targets a group for extermination, like the Nazis did with the Jews, like the Turks did to the Armenians, like the Serbians did with the Bosnians.

Young people these days apply the word genocide to everything from a country fighting back against a terror attack to a few tranny hookers being murdered by johns.

R51 - the younger generations are also impervious to the emotional blackmail strategy the Dems use repeatedly to convince people to vote for the status quo old guard candidates. In the past, you could alarm enough people into accepting the "lesser of two evils" option. Not so anymore. "But-but-but Trump!" isn't going to be effective anymore as a manipulative ploy so the Democrats better try a different tactic or go down with the ship just like everyone else in the country.

Multiculturalism is fine as long as everyone who has power shares the same basic values.

This might be a good time to think twice about trying to get rid of the electoral college. Democrats might hate it now because of Trump, but you never know when it might save us in the future from, say, an Islamic government.

The troll farms are adapting new talking points I see.

[quote] Genocide is when a government systematically targets a group for extermination, like the Nazis did with the Jews, like the Turks did to the Armenians, like the Serbians did with the Bosnians.

That definition to too clear so the term has been REDEFINED and broadened into near meaninglessness.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Elements of the crime

The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation. The latter is less common but still possible. The same article establishes the obligation of the contracting parties to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide.

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So per the UN killing Hamas is genocide. Or not killing them but harming their mental health by making them worry would seem to apply as well.

Nice try R83, but how is this any different from any other war situation?

People need to get over themselves and make sure Biden stays in office.l just look at this idiot House speaker. We will get more of the same if people sit it out. There is no luxury of sitting it out. The GOP is organized, well funded and ruthless. Too much is at stake. I agree with the Palestine issues but it’s really complicated with Israel having such a strong stance. I think it will take a pan-Arab alliance to solve this and it not be just a USA problem.

We simply need to change our two party winner takes all system. When you have 70/ 80 year olds monopolizing the political spectrum you practically guarantee a nation of old boy and girl networks. The interests of an 80 year old are pretty different than a 20 or 30 year old. As a youngster I didn’t feel enfranchised and I wasn’t. How to make the youngsters feel they have a stake in the game give them one. That’s what Biden tried to do. Kids are pawns and they know it.The student loan thing demonstrates what pawns they are. The two party system serves the two parties not the voter.

I’m not sure what you all think Israel was supposed to do. Just sit there and smile and accept what happened? The Palestinians have rejected peace deal after peace deal, and the Palestinians want the Jews dead, and it’s not like the Jews really have anywhere else to go. They had a home in Europe until they were gassed. Stop acting like Palestinians are peaceful angels.

[quote] I’m not sure what you all think Israel was supposed to do

Woke American academia has an answer to that

Dear President Biden,

Please keep on assuming that voters among the increasing demographics of Latinos and non-Latino conservative religious populations in our country are all into your very woke policies and "Americans last" overseas spending and military intervention policies and philosophy, so that they can show you and your clueless progressive handlers and followers the White House door come next Presidential Election. I say this simply as an observer of what to me seems strikingly like what, for lack of any other discernible reason, you seem to know and want to happen.

Regards,

The Rest of Voting America Back Here on Planet Earth

R89: go sit on a hand grenade, Trumpanzee.

r90 must a UCLA student

I would say that the IDF should rape the Palestinian women but they’re so goddam ugly the IDF would probably vomit.

^^ you Zionist loser are fucking psychos.

I don't have faith in the polls. Besides, young people are not going to vote Republican unless they're MAGA.

Is this truly a concern? Young people barely vote.

Another reason LGBTQ should not support Muslims and their ideology. It’s sick and none of us want to live under Muslim rule.

I can’t remember the exact article but the reason journalists got Trump and Brexit so wrong was because they were focussed on Twitter social media not Facebook.

On so many issues the media see those who shout the loudest and the most polarising and give a credibility to them they don’t deserve.

R95

A cohort that does not vote all that much and then complains about the poor job their elders have done running things. Let’s hope they can surprise us in 2024.

But small numbers or not the Dems can’t afford to lose any votes.