So they're saying Buffy St. Marie isn't Indigenous??

Sorry what??? I wrote my college history paper on Buffy st . Fucking Marie and her indigeneity?!?!

My mind is blown

We belong to the same tribe.

As do I.

Her statement.

It was a great scam while it lasted.

Someone tell Silvio Dante. He's been waiting for something like this.

So, no word back from Ancestry DNA test? Lost in the mail? Oh, well...

I am fond of Buffy St. Marie. What's the truth. She's Italian-American? Romanian. Do they have genetic testing? If not, perhaps they should shut the fuck up. If they do, I hope they publish it. And I will be sad.

It's already been strongly argued that Sacheen Littlefeather is not indigenous.

She's mostly forgotten. Buffy is kind of a big deal for a certain generation - hers.

Gypsy whore

was not.... Sacheen died This October! RIP

Enough.

To hell with the cunts who are playing this game with her.

This is silly. It is not a Rachel Dolezal or Elizabeth Warren situation.

For however long, she lived the life. She believed her mother in terms of her heritage and had adoptive parents who were certifiably Native.

Identifying as Native American (or Native, or indigenous as they say in Canada) was hardly a ticket to cash and riches. She got attention because she was a good singer, and she did much good in raising awareness of Native people.

It would have been easier for her to be the white Buffy Sainte-Marie, honestly. Raquel Welch did that, hiding her Hispanic heritage until she got famous. Yet nobody came for her.

This is confusing. She looks like an indigenous person. I don’t think she was pulling any scam. But since she was adopted why not do a DNA test to determine your ancestry.

Per genealogy posts on Reddit, a lot of Canadian and US people who were told they were indigenous find out via DNA tests that they aren’t, or at least DNA no longer reflects it. Instead they’re part Black.

Some are floored as they grew up in these communities, some with family members receiving benefits.

Not saying Buffy isn’t what she thought or said she was, but this occurs quite often when people get their DNA results.

Jesus Christ, are they kidding? Just look at her! If you threw a bag of garbage at her feet, a tear would slip down her cheek immediately!

[quote]since she was adopted why not do a DNA test to determine your ancestry.

Because when she started out in the '60s, you couldn't just do that.

People used to form their cultural identity based on what they were told by parents, relatives, and community. They didn't have to do a blood test and show their papers to Twitter to prove they were enough percentage to identify as something.

That bitch Indigenous as hell. Look at her face, she could stand outside a cigar shop.

Some people will do and say anything for those mineral rights.

Here is a more in depth article.

Buffy Sainte Marie's sister took a DNA test which showed little to no Indigenous ancestry.

Before any white Gen Z girls start huffing ...

I am Native American (and have the DNA results to prove it), and I legit LOL'd at R17 and R19.

R22 I’m allowed to make that joke, I’m half indigenous too per my DNA test (Mexican)

I mean Jesus Christ, I opened up her photo and the opening chords of Cher’s Half-Breed started playing

I'm mostly white, with some black mixed in, and I can make that joke because it's funny.

According to the linked article - her true birth certificate HAS BEEN FOUND. With “Beverley Jean Santamaria” having been born to father Albert Santamaria and mother Winifred Irene Kenrick on February 20, 1941 — the birthdate that Buffy has accepted as her own.

I googled her mom's name and got this:

Brief Life History of Winifred Irene When Winifred Irene Kenrick was born on 27 January 1918, in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States, her father, Frank Webster Kendrick, was 44 and her mother, Elizabeth Marie Atwood, was 38. She married Albert J Santamaria on 28 January 1936. She lived in Malden, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States for about 10 years and California, United States in 1985. She died on 28 March 2010, at the age of 92.

This "investigation" is the definition of poor news judgment.

No harm was done by Ms. Sainte-Marie.

The only harm being done is to an 82-year-old woman at the end of her life and career, who now has to worry she'll be described as "disgraced" or "questioned."

It's the worst example of modern standards (in this case, advanced DNA technology) being applied to life 60 years ago. History doesn't work that way.

[quote] had adoptive parents who were certifiably Native.

In the article it says her adoptive parents were white Americans. She makes bizarre statements like “my growing up mother” and says her “growing up mother” was not her biological mother. Then she talks about being adopted as an adult by Cree people.

Who gets adopted when they’re adults?

She says there’s no record of her having been born on a Rez but that’s ok because it wasn’t common for people on a Rez to record births. So how do you prove who you are without a birth certificate? And she says she was “given to” an American couple who happened to be visiting an area near the Piapot reservation. Really? They just gave a babies away? No birth certificate? Just, “Here’s a kid. Have fun.”

Santamaria is Spanish, Italian, Portuguese or Catalan

Apparently she long claimed stolen valor as part of the "Sixties Scoop" of adoption out of Indian babies by whites even though the times don't line up.

R21 Very interesting long article. Thanks for posting that.

She’s an Italian girl from Massachusetts. And she wasn’t adopted but raised by her actual parents. Crazy.

I totally believe her.

How you say succotash?

That’s not a Hispanic face. We don’t look like that at all, I am Hispanic, even those with high indigenous ancestry have completely different faces due to different races in Central and South America.

Buffy’s face is North American Indigenous. There’s no way she couldn’t be.

Does the sister claim to be adopted as well? That sister probably shouldn't have taken the DNA test or shouldn't have revealed it. It sounds like maybe the son and the sister are not very fond of Buffy.

That's showbiz, folks!

I stood still outside a cigar shop and it took two days before anyone noticed.

[quote] I mean Jesus Christ, I opened up her photo and the opening chords of Cher’s Half-Breed started playing

You know Cher claimed she had Native American ancestry for years, right? And she doesn’t

Did the sister AND Buffy both get adopted, by the same white family. All the reporting is so messy and contradictory.

Italian and Black Irish?

Are they sure she's not Indian? She has resting alcoholic face.

Sounds like her “growing up mother” was her actual biological mother.

[quote] If you threw a bag of garbage at her feet, a tear would slip down her cheek immediately!

WHOOPS. The weeping "Indian" guy was another ITALIAN whose real name was Espera de Corti. Of Sicilian descent he woudl have been eligible to join the Cosa Nostra.

But — and not to resort to high school debate terms — where is the harm here, R28 and R30?

From the beginning of her career in the early '60s, she recorded songs that detailed the plight of Native Americans. She only agreed to appear on Sesame Street in the '70s if they would include Native American educational content, FFS.

It might be one thing if she had become the billionaire CEO of Buffy's Honest Injun Canola Oil, but this is not that.

If she took a DNA test tomorrow and it determined she wasn't technically indigenous, who exactly has been harmed all this time?

“Likewise, the family’s use of the “Sainte-Marie” name is contradicted by information that wasn’t contained in either of the biographies.

According to the 2012 biography, the Santamarias became “St. Marie” in an effort to avoid “anti-Italian prejudice” following World War II. The claim is attributed in the book to Buffy’s younger sister, the one who took the DNA test.”

Buffy was born in a Massachusetts hospital and raised by her biological parents. They have her actual birth certificate. So she made up all the adoption stuff. Why didn’t her parents expose her story as bs?

Of course this topic would bring out the Klan Grannies

When the sister did a DNA test, it showed she shared DNA with Buffy's son, who also did a DNA test. However, the sister's test indicated that "almost no American Indian component in the Sainte-Marie family’s genetic makeup, undercutting the claim of being 'part Micmac' that appeared in the 2012 biography and in early news stories about the singer."

To me, "almost no American Indian component" is not that same as NO American Indian component, and, as many have suggested, family stories about ancestors were what people relied on before DNA tests. Buffy believed she had indigenous ancestors, and the "almost no American Indian component" in her biological sister's DNA test does not invalidate her belief.

The Super-Woke Canadian Broadcasting System is Klan Grannies?

Considering their government is so racist I guess that may be true

“ Of course this topic would bring out the Klan Grannies”

But on both sides, somehow

Did her biological,parents tell her she was adopted? And they were given two babies when they visited a reservation? She might have some indigenous heritage but the rest of her story is phony. The fact she’s now saying she was molested by her brother just makes it more of a mess. What a weird tale this is.

Well, let's just assume she has no native ancestry. It can certainly be said she did a great job over decades on behalf of natives. But, that would also mean she is a complete fabulist who made up quite a cockamamie story, knowing all the time she was a white Italian Irish/Scottish American girl raised by her bio parents! The Chutzpah.

Zoom in on her face, lose the hair and pretend she’s asking if you want more baked ziti

but her son HAS native DNA. The reporting is confusing.

I would rather the CBC focus on referring to Hamas as a terrorist organization instead of trying to cancel and 80+ year old woman who (despite her confusing ancestry) has flown the indigenous rights flag for decades.

The son’s father is indigenous. So that makes sense.

Wait, so she's also not even Canadian?

Didn't I read the son has both Western AND Eastern indigenous DNA. Too lazy to go back and reread.

I saw Buffy perform a few years ago on the Piapot reserve. The community adores her. It's very common in First Nations families to have adopted family members. It's not a legal adoption but more spiritual. She has done a lot of good for the community regardless.

"Sainte-Marie said Thursday that her 'growing-up mom,' Winifred Sainte-Marie, told her she was adopted and may have been born 'on the wrong side of the blanket,' meaning born out of wedlock."

She’s a “pretendian.”

There are all kinds of possible scenarios where she has no indigenous DNA, but her parents either believed she did or told her she did.

Her mom could have have an affair or been raped. Maybe her mother or father had African heritage, but was but passing as white, so when Buffy was born darker than the rest of the family they decided they needed a cover story.

I’d be curious to see photos of the family she grew up in. If she looks a lot like them I’d be a little more suspicious of her. But I would still think this seems mean and petty.

So was she really adopted out of Canada from a reservation or not?

Buffy say it ain't so. If her First Nations grift ends, she could always start performing urban hip hop music with P. Diddy, 'Buffy and Puffy in concert'

If her adoptive parents are actually her bio parents as the article contends, I have a possible family tree for her and via her mom she has some MA to Canada to MA Anglo named relatives and is also a Massachusetts Bay Colony descendant, which is cool.

I can’t imagine even back in the forties that you could just take a baby born in Canada to live in the United States with no formal adoption documentation.

R63, I wonder if could be a case of her “growing up mother” accepting the care of an illegitimate child her husband had fathered.

"Ma'am, for years I enjoyed your work on the Land 'O' Lakes butter box."

Buffy St. Marie is a Boston Brahmin

what a POS r42 is.

R64 in the article I linked it mentioned that Buffy was adopted into a First Nation's family later in life.

R64 in the article I linked it mentioned that Buffy was adopted into a First Nation's family later in life.

You call it corn, we called it maize.

Ask Buffy what she calls it, the truth will be revealed.

No Italian mother in the early '60s would have allowed her daughter to pretend she was adopted. And as some random papoose no less.

Get the fuck outta here!

Another possibility: Mama was a slut, Buffy was the result of a fling, and Mama was too ashamed to correct Buffy's story.

"I would rather the CBC focus on referring to Hamas as a terrorist organization instead of trying to cancel and 80+ year old woman who (despite her confusing ancestry) has flown the indigenous rights flag for decades."

I'm guessing you were fine with Donald Trump praising Hezbollah. "Cancel culture" is a right-wing talking point

R74 The father was Italian. The mother was "Kenrick".

[quote] There are all kinds of possible scenarios where she has no indigenous DNA, but her parents either believed she did or told her she did.

There’s no way her mother told her she was “born on the wrong side of the blanket” as Buffy says. Her mother was married to her father long before she was born. She’s legitimately the child of the Sanatamarias. She was born in a Massachusetts hospital, not a reservation in Canada.

Everytime I see a woman wearing feather earrings I think “that’s a white woman.” Mist actual native Americans don’t feel the need to wear feathers, buckskin or beads.

I'm trying to figure out which bothers me more...this or the mass shooter in Maine.

Has any one asked Cher?

Pretendian

[quote] Pretendian is a pejorative colloquialism used to call out a person who has falsely claimed Indigenous identity by professing to be a citizen of a Native American or Indigenous Canadian tribal nation, or to be descended from Native ancestors.

[quote] As a practice, being a pretendian is considered an extreme form of cultural appropriation, especially if that individual then asserts that they can represent, and speak for, communities they do not belong to.

Wow. Kinda saddens me about Buffy, but then I always thought that was a stupid name.

I for one am glad the CBC spent months and many thousands of dollars of their limited resources on this investigation, instead of one that might actually improve the current lives of indigenous people.

If she is a fraud, I wonder if she will have a narcissistic breakdown now. It would be overwhelming.

Her dad’s family is from Avellino, Campania, Italy.

I have Beverly (aka Buffy) aged 9 in the 1950 Massachusetts Census and her birthplace is Massachusetts like her whole family.

Buffy gurl, what gives?

I thought it unfortunate they titled the segment "HONEST, INJUN?".

And all this time I thought I was living on Buffy's unceded land!

R74 The mom isn’t Italian. She’s old stock New England. The dad is Italian.

I definitely had Italian girls in my catholic school who could’ve passed for native Americans if they grew their hair long, ironed it (that was a big thing in1960s), and didn’t wear makeup. Somewhere along the line Bev decided she was Buffy. And she decided she was Canadian. And Cree.

Who is next?

Gee, Buffy, why'd ya have ta go and do THAT?

[quote] I for one am glad the CBC spent months and many thousands of dollars of their limited resources on this investigation

All they had to do is talk to her sister and lookup the 1940 and 1950 US census. Not too strenuous or costly.

Can’t she just identify as an Indian?

So...Jody isn't Indigenous either?

She's played her last pow-wow that's for sure, time to ebay the jingle dresses.

Is she estranged from her sister and her son?

There goes the casino circuit.

In the long article, there's a picture of her in college. In that picture, she looks 100% Italian American. However, in several others she looks more indigenous. Also, her skin tone appears to have darkened over time. Makeup? I don't have a dog in this hunt. She's done much to raise awareness of the plight of the indigenous over her career, and at a time when that movement needed spokespeople. I wish they had waited until her death to publish this, because it's going to make every interview or public appearance hell on earth for her until she does die.

IT GETS WORSE

Word has it Pow Wow was actually a Swedish kid Nils Karllsson from Bluefield, West Virginia

I'm sure the Inuit from Nunavut will claim her!

We're choosing gender now so I don't think this is a big deal

Who?

I have Buffy/Beverley Jean Santa Maria’s birth listed in the Massachusetts US birth records in Stoneham, 1941.

She uses the same makeup shade as Trump

Also it looks like her parents were still using the name Sanatamaria in 1950 when Buffy was 9. Someone in the comments sections of R21s article said Buffy is Jewish?

Has anyone told Mrs. Beasley yet?

Mrs Beasley has been a conspirator all along; she knew.

Her high school and college yearbooks show the last names of St. Marie and Sainte-Marie. I wonder it that was a name she picked out. A girl I knew in high school was named Susan, everyone called her Susie then our junior year she changed the spelling of her name to Psiouxie.

[quote] our junior year she changed the spelling of her name to Psiouxie.

For the rest of her life she dedicated herself to correcting people

The question isn't whether she's indigenous or not, it's whether she KNEW she wasn't indigenous. Did she really believe she was adopted, or did she know the Santamarias were her bio parents? There were rumors about Sacheen Littlefeather for DECADES because people talk. Why didn't that happen in this case?

You gotta have a gimmick!

Well, if her biological sister's DNA test showed "almost no American Indian component," then the question of how much is too little to warrant inclusion in an ethnic group is probably still relevant for Buffy herself.

I saw her parents obituaries and they both had used the last name St. Marie though her fathers obit showed the full santamaria name and the St. Marie was in parentheses. So the name was perhaps used after the the 1950 census. Both of their obituaries call her Beverley though on her moms it’s Beverley (Buffy) St. Marie. Her dad died in 1998 and her mother died in 2010.

I honestly think it started as a marketing gimmick. I don't doubt she was later adopted into a Cree family.

I don't believe it especially considering that she was targeted by the federal government and the interfered with her career and caused her to be blacklisted so if there was any truth to this surely they would have used that to discredit her at the time.

When I was a kid my mom used to and Dad told my brother and I that we were part native on my dad's side in fact my mom used to like to joke that she had a little Indian in her when she was pregnant with me.

And my dad definitely has some sort of ethnic mix being darker skinned and my brother and I as well but I found out from a cousin later after my dad had died but our grandfather possibly altered his mom's birth certificate and intent to get tribal money.

Both my brother and I have done DNA tests through ancestry and I was very little native lineage found but again we both look like something we just don't really know what I guess. But often people when we were kids especially growing up in the Lily white community that we did would ask us what we were and we would just answer that we were part native because that's what we were told I wasn't any attempt to lie.

[quote]Jesus Christ, are they kidding? Just look at her! If you threw a bag of garbage at her feet, a tear would slip down her cheek immediately!

OMG — she’s Italian?

She might as well come out of retirement and record a new album:

Mambo Italiano: Beatricia Santamaria Sings the Songs of Her Homeland

Who knows what’s the truth. My bio father’s birth certificate says Nez Perce on it. Neither me or my bio 1/2 sister have Native American DNA.

Buffy and I attended Wakefield Memorial High School in Wakefield, Massachusetts.

She graduated some years before me, but we both had the same French teacher, who kept some of Buffy’s test papers and displayed them in her classroom.

The article at R120 is extremely damning. It appears she really did purposefully make it all up. What a story.

It’s wild that she became such an indigenous icon and lived this lie for so many years.

The Cree family from Saskatchewan is standing by her.

As soon as you see the words "My Truth..." as part of an explanation or discourse skepticism should be applied. More appropriate would be my version of the story which makes truth malleable. Perhaps she half believed her own mythology, she did no harm to indigenous people.

Those words either seek to make lies more palatable, or excuse behavior on the part of the 'truthteller". Think of Billy Porter, running around blaring his truth to any who will listen. Not lies, but self aggrandizing martyr porn whilst he flies his flag everywhere.

If Piapot First Nation wants to claim her, so be it. That’s certainly their prerogative. But there are some Indigenous people who also understand that “pretendians” take away opportunities from people who are legitimately Indigenous. So while I don’t necessarily fault her, I also wonder about her intentions and whether she used this to gain celebrity. How self-serving was she being? We’ll never know. It was an odd flex, though, for an Italian American girl to claim roots to an Indigenous group from Saskatchewan.

That nose could definitely skewer a few vampires.

That’s cruel to say, why say it??? I think she’s as ingenious as the next person!

Buffy and Iron Eyes look like siblings.

Look 👀, my truth is that I have a huge fucking enormous dick and just try and rip it away from my cold dead hands

Hooray, we have sailed the 7 seas looking for you dear Santa Maria! Welcome home

[quote] As soon as you see the words "My Truth..." as part of an explanation or discourse skepticism should be applied

Whatever do you mean

The Piapot reservation has some big issues in their community, I have spent plenty of time there. They hold onto Buffy and her reputation quite fiercely. She's a hero there and has always been upheld as an example of an Indigenous person finding great success out in the world. I'm not surprised that they're continuing to claim her as their own. Shame on Buffy for carrying on this lie for so long.

Take away the feathers and that's somebody's Nonna.

And it's reel, and it's real one more time.

I met someone who was named after her by her hippie parents. She’s neither Canadian, indigenous nor Mayflower/Italian. She suffered with that name too.

From what I can tell, Indigenous people on twitter/x seem to be supporting her.

She identifies; therefore, she is. Memo went out years ago, guys.

Universal Soldier By Buffy Sainte-Marie

He's five feet two and he's six feet four

He fights with missiles and with spears

He's all of 31 and he's only 17

He's been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an athiest, a Jain,

a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew

and he knows he shouldn't kill

and he knows he always will

kill you for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada,

he's fighting for France,

he's fighting for the USA,

and he's fighting for the Russians

and he's fighting for Japan,

and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for Democracy

and fighting for the Reds

He says it's for the peace of all

He's the one who must decide

who's to live and who's to die

and he never sees the writing on the walls

But without him how would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau

Without him Caesar would have stood alone

He's the one who gives his body

as a weapon to a war

and without him all this killing can't go on

He's the universal soldier and he

really is to blame

His orders come from far away no more

They come from him, and you, and me

and brothers can't you see

this is not the way we put an end to war

Please don’t tell me that Captain Kangaroo wasn’t a real captain.

I don’t think I’d be able to go on if you do.

I know that our noses get more prominent as we age, but DAMN. Compared with her younger photos in R120, It looks like she had an implant in the tip, or is wearing a prosthetic nose.

Whi is Buffy St. Marie?

R140 A Roman nose?

She’s the little girl in Family Affair, Rose @ R141

More like a roaming nose, R142.

It’s roaming all over her face.

R140, It looks like Marlo Thomas’ original nose.

To those saying there’s no way she couldn’t be indigenous with that face, I knew a woman who was 100% American/Euro, mostly German, who looked just like her.

She played the look up with long dark hair, heavy foundation like Buffy wears, hippie-adjacent garb and southwestern jewelry. People asked her or assumed she was NA constantly. She loved the attention.

FWIW, she was a borderline pet hoarder who let her dogs crap 💩 on her floor if she didn’t feel like stopping drinking to return home for the night.

Is it true that Indigenous Peoples don't have to pay taxes in Canada. Do they carry a status-card that makes them exempt?

That's not true, R148.

R125 yeah how self serving of her to fight for and bring to light the issues indigenous face so much so that the FBI took up a vendetta against and her career suffered greatly for it.

All performers fudge their backstory. They shave years off or play up some rags to riches story.

I see no harm here. She is an entertainer, not an elected official using her "heritage" to scam her way into higher education.

I actually hope this "scandal" will bring more of an audience to this very talented woman.

And btw, Chers' maternal grandmother was of Native American descent. Her look is pure Armenian though.

[quote]this very talented woman

Truly.

She's wonderful and I wonder why the people behind this decided to "out" her now, she's an 82 year old woman who hasn't harmed anyone? What do they have to gain from this? Seriously, did she write her American white family out of the will or something??

The things about her brother and how she silenced him shocked me.

R154 doesn't shock me in the least. Have you ever been around show biz types and successful creatives?

R153, reconciliation for Indigenous peoples is the biggest social issue in Canada and it occupies a huge amount of media bandwidth.

Buffy was probably the most globally recognizable Indigenous Canadian woman - and she is a hero to Indigenous people and very popular with the sort of granola “in this house, we believe” baby boomers that makes a huge part of the CBC’s audience. That’s she not Indigenous or Canadian is big news.

Outside of academia, the CBC has had probably one of the most public track records of unintentionally platforming Pretendians like Joseph Boyden and Michelle Latimer. It’s not surprising that the CBC feels this is something they need to run to the ground.

It's weird though that her sister in r120s article looks like a German woman, even has the name Heidi. Buffy really got hit with the Italian genes.

never mind, Heidi is her niece.

Too much of the celebrity world is smoke and mirrors. I guess this is what the public rewards so....

Am I too late to ask — Who?

Her younger biological sister Lainey is an artist. who, somewhat confusingly, looks more like Joan Baez than like Buffy.

R153, were you outraged when Sacheen Littlefeather or Rachel Dolezal were outed?

R153, were you outraged when Sacheen Littlefeather or Rachel Dolezal were outed?

Of course the right-winger at r124 has to bring up Billy Porter. Who didn't lie about his background, but racist DLers hate him for being black

Her uncle "outed" her as white in a local newspaper article back in 1964...but it looks like most people ignored that

I coiuldn't care less about any of this. I barely remember her from the late 60--I do remember Universal Soldier--and since then haven't missed her at all. I seem to recall that she was SO self-serious and humorless.

Buffy on To Tell The Truth, lying her Italian ass off to Kitty Carlisle.

The audience loves her performance.

[quote] Universal Soldier By Buffy Sainte-Marie

Fortunately for Buffy's bank book a white guy named Glen Campbell took that and got it up to 45 on the charts.

Or 𝘸𝘢𝘴 he a white guy?

Well I guess y’all can already guess my Halloween 🎃 costume

Buffy’s sister shared a pre-1930 letter online that is supposed to be from their great grandfather (possessed by a different family member) with one line in Louisiana saying they are not French, they are part Seminole (southern indigenous) from his dad’s side.

He wrote, “My great grandparents were full blooded”. He also says he’s English on that side and Irish on his mom’s side. He claims his wife burned all documentation and the family Bible but doesn’t say why.

If Buffy’s great grandfather is correct, then her 4th great grandparents, her great, great, great, great grandparents may have been Seminole (not Canadian).

We all have 64 great great great great grandparents. So if any DNA has been passed down on that branch it would be minuscule, like Eliz Warren. Or it could be family lore/hiding another ethnicity.

Face it, Buff — you're as "indigenous" as spaghetti.

First Nations people here in Canada get pretty bent about acculturation. Try wearing a head dress for Halloween if you’re white. That’s what surprises me a bit about the response from indigenous Canadians. She’s essentially a white woman who helped herself to their culture to make a career for herself.

R170 Starblanket Mother Earth Dancing Dervish Lollobrigida

Has Mr French commented?

R148, like R149 said, not true. My sister, who was a landed immigrant (like Canadian green card), tried to tell me that. Per section 87 of the Indian Act, only if the income is from a reserve (reservation). They pay regular national and provincial taxes if they live anywhere else. If, they live on a reserve, they're so poor they wouldn't owe taxes anyway.

[quote] Has Mr French commented?

No, R175. He’s too busy evaluating Father’s chest hair.

[R170] [R174] Sweat-lodge Sophia Petrillo

Where is Chris Crocker when you need him? Her? It?

Who on earth needs Chris Crocker?

And I thought 'Buffy' nickname for 'Buffalo girl'

How.

I guess love won’t lift her up where she belongs!

I'm sad. That last article posted really seals the deal. I like her but I don't like such deep fakers. Even know I know it can be a kind of mental illness.

R139

He was a real Captain alright but he wasn't a Kangeroo.

[quote]This is silly. It is not a Rachel Dolezal or Elizabeth Warren situation.

Why are you conflating Rachel Dolezal with Elizabeth Warren? Elizabeth Warren grew up in Oklahoma with parents who told her she was part Indigenous American. Many white people in Oklahoma are brought up with the same story. EW actually had Indigenous American in her DNA.

Only Trumptards are still spreading this Pocahontas bullshit.

Warren has at best 1/32 of Native DNA, but more likely closer to the bottom of the range, which is 1/1,024.

Warren was COMPLETELY disingenuous about this scandal for longer than necessary. Why? Because she USED minority membership to ADVANCE HER CAREER and she was caught out.

i know for a fact that I have German in my background (Pennsylvania Dutch on one side, going back to the 1640s and verified by tons of genealogical records) but it doesn't show up in my DNA. Why? Because my father's mother was probably 1/8 German, but she married someone who was 100% English background, and that meant that my father was only 1/16th German, and his children are only 1/32nd German which completely washes out in the DNA record. It doesn't negate the ancestry, but it's a reminder that in not very many generations, a significant contribution from something "other" can completely diminish to the point of not appearing in a DNA record. If Warren had a great grandmother who was 1/4 Cherokee, and everyone else in her family tree was from Northern Europe, she's only going to have a tiny percentage of Indian DNA - but bein 1/4 Indian certainly mattered to her great -grandmother.........

To me, there's a big difference between someone who does have some history and family lore supporting indigenous background from someone who simply makes up a story about it (Rachel Dolezal I'm looking at you) for whatever reason. Part of me is sad that Buffy seems to be part of that group, but at least she used her songs and her popularity to promote good for the indigenous peoples.

It’s actually impressive Elizabeth Warren’s indigenous shows.

Before DNA tests people would hear relatives say things like, “My grandmother’s parents were full-blooded Cherokee.” Always with the full-blooded.

Yet no one had any proof anyone was full blooded, yet they kept passing these stories down. Trouble is, by the time you’re 6 generations removed, that full blooded is a drop in the bucket if it shows at all.

Approximate Percentage of Their DNA That You Have Today

1 You 100%

1 2 Parents 50%

2 4 Grandparents 25%

3 8 Great-grandparents 12.5%

4 16 Great-great-grandparents 6.25%

5 32 Great-great-great-grandparents 3.12%

6 64 Great-great-great-great-grandparents 1.56%

^ But you don’t inherit in exact amounts. That’s why siblings have different results

This is the new CBC investigative report.

[quote]Warren has at best 1/32 of Native DNA, but more likely closer to the bottom of the range, which is 1/1,024.

You just managed to throw on your interpretation of her DNA with no actual proof, just your (weak) opinion.

[quote]Warren was COMPLETELY disingenuous about this scandal for longer than necessary.

"...longer than necessary." At totally subjective opinion.

[quote]Because she USED minority membership to ADVANCE HER CAREER and she was caught out.

She legitimately believe she was part Indigenous American (which she is) and used that on her resume, as you or I would do.

I love Lizzy! I'd marry her if she'd have me.

I know, completely OT.

Her blood type results came in… it’s Ragu.

I like her R193 and voted for her in my 2020 primary. But she has started to annoy me somewhat, while Biden has totally grown on me.

But I digress. Back to Buffy and regular programming.

Bullshit Justin. A fraction of heritage does not mean you put Native American on your CV and identifying papers. Harvard even proudly listed Warren as a Native American faculty member.

I am 1/400 Black Zoroastrian and a descendent of survivors and victims of Menelik II's genocide of the Dizi people (so I have been told). I guess I should have listed all that on my Ivy League applications. They would have been thrilled to have me, a "Black Zoroastrian" "Genocide Survivor" among their diversity stats. Oh well, luckily I got in as boring white middle class male.

I like Warren's politics but she showed a SERIOUS character flaw. She's got a lot of phony in her. I drink beer from the bottle.

Did Buffy mislead Big Bird and thousands upon thousands of Sesame Street watchers?

Most people would NOT claim Native American status with a tiny amount of Native American ancestry supported by nothing other than family lore.

They might mention it as cocktail party chatter to make an interesting impression socially, they wouldn’t use it to advance themselves professionally or academically and put it in writing on legal documents.

A lot of people would, but most wouldn’t.

R198, I HOPE not

And the tell on Warren's cynical use of this identity was she DID NOT claim to be Native American when she went to college and law school, and when she was teaching at mid tier universities. It suddenly appeared when she moved up in status to Penn and Harvard.

UPenn to be clear. So she was a white girl when she didn't need an edge. But later she wasn't.

Can we get off Elizabeth Warren and get back to discussing Buffy the Liar?

[quote] I don't believe it especially considering that she was targeted by the federal government and the interfered with her career

This definitely could have happened, or if she’s a compulsive liar, this sounds an awful lot like a Trump excuse

I'm about 15% Indigenous Native American, according to my Ancestry test results and I don't even really feel like that's enough to claim. Maybe it is, I don't know.

Watch the video at R191. Holy shit.

Anyone else think she's been lying about this for so long that somehow she believes it on some level?

R207 yes I said so upthread. It's a kind of mental illness.

Do these various nations she pretended to be member of have any mythological trickster bullshit artist legends? Because she’s toxic and shameless.

What an asshole, I mean masshole.

You mean she set up smokescreen by sending out false smoke 💨 signal

I guess she really [italic]does[/italic] call it corn.

Is Tokota Iron Eyes Sicilian too?

I wonder how her white biological parents, who raised her, felt about the adoption story she was peddling to the media. Or were they in on the grift?

^ She apparently threatened some of her family members not to tell

R214 her brother tried to expose her to Sesame street’s producers but was sent a letter from her threatening a lawsuit and claiming he sexually abused her.

They say her lasagna is amaizing

The documentary deserves DL honors for vicious and cutting snark. It's extremely well cut in certain passages offering a devastating critique of Buffy's cynical mendacity.

Columbus Day must be particularly confusing to her now

Her speaking voice sounds blue collar Massachusetts to me, not Canadian. You’d think she’d have fixed that at the beginning of her grift.

Why would she need to fix her accent? Her story was that was adopted and grew up in Mass not Canada.

I’m sorry but how could all this have been uncovered now? So much evidence

She said she was from that place in Canada I can’t spell and don’t feel like looking it up. She said that on Sesame Street.

R222 There was a special about her last year. An indigenous women who researches pretendians heard many key scams fakers use and started digging. I can access Buffy’s birth info in MA in about 30 seconds

I just watched the CBC story (it's already on YouTube). It's even more incontrivertable than the print story. Enormously talented and charismatic performer, who's done a lot of good for Indigenous people, has lied about everything in her past. This is going to take a lot of time for people who loved her to accept.

I just watched the full documentary, and wow. She really did invent her story out of whole cloth. She was the biological daughter of two white Italians, born and raised in Stoneham, Mass. The CBC went to the town's registrar and got the birth certificates. A niece supplied home movies and letters.

When she got famous, relatives wrote to papers saying, she's not indigenous, she's Caucasian. One letter was published; others were ignored.

In the '70s, when a PBS producer called her brother and asked, is she Caucasian, and he answered truthfully, she sicced high-powered lawyers on him and threatened to expose him as a child molester.

She was "adopted" into a Piapot family in her 20s, which does mean something in Native culture, and she's certainly done the work on behalf of Native Americans in ensuing decades, but her whole career was based on a lie that became an elaborate delusion.

The CBC did a good job on this. I questioned the news value above, but I get it now. I don't exactly buy that she took opportunities from Native female folk singers—record companies loved nothing more than to sign up clones of successful artists, and this isn't like a professor falsely claiming to be Native taking one competitive university job from true Natives. But I now understand the harm: She hurt her biological family.

Oh, and Buffy's "Disco Powwow" performance elevates this to high camp.

R222, partially because she threatened/silenced her family, because they knew the truth about her past

R227 The Italian disco queen rises up through the feathers! She can’t control it:

Why is everyone acting like this is such a tragedy? She did nothing to disparage Native Americans, she helped bring their plight to a larger audience, she took no opportunities away from other Native Americans, and, let's face it, she didn't exactly set the music scene on fire. The sales of all her albums put together probably didn't reach gold. So it's not like saying she was Native American did a whole lot for her. It probably held her back.

Her scam is now in the intro to her wiki article.

R230 she has sold millions of albums. But it was all some time ago. I liked her electronic Illuminations, 1969 In college we dropped acid to it (in the 1980s) and thought she was an old timer cool chick.

R230, tell that to the family members she threatened.....

[quote] she has sold millions of albums.

Not really.

But did you watch the documentary posted upthread r230? She viciously lied about her parents and her birth, and called her only brother a sexual molester when he dared to tell the truth about her birth and their shared upbringing. She caused plenty of harm within her own family.

The only thing that is strange to me is that her appearance is very unlike the rest of her blond-ish, pale family. Like, very different to the point that you'd wonder if she was adopted or had another parent or parents.

[quote] But did you watch the documentary posted upthread [R230]? She viciously lied about her parents and her birth, and called her only brother a sexual molester when he dared to tell the truth about her birth and their shared upbringing. She caused plenty of harm within her own family.

Is there any actual proof of this or just what the brother says happened? I'm asking because I haven't seen the doc.

She has an honorary PhD and calls her self Dr. Buffy Sainte-Marie.

Out grifting Maya Angelou!

R235 one relative (sister? neice?) shows the letter from the lawyer!

[quote]Is there any actual proof of this or just what the brother says happened? I'm asking because I haven't seen the doc.

There's a handwritten letter from Buffy confirming this threat. She also didn't go public with the molestation claims until after he was dead.

R235 her brother was a commercial pilot and ran into him by chance when she was a passenger on one of his flights. She introduced him as her brother to a PBS producer she was traveling with. The producer noticed he was wasn’t dark skinned. and he got a call from the producer asking if Buffy was adopted and indigenous. The brother answered honestly and said no to both questions.

A short time later the brother got a letter from a high powered entertainment law firm claiming he was slandering her and trying to hurt her career. The firm threatened to go after him if he spoke out again. Attached with legal threat was a hand written note from Buffy telling him that if he didn’t be quiet she would tell the world he was a child molester who abused her.

His daughter, Buffy’s niece still had both letters.

The CBC should have called the documentary RECEIPTS, because they had 'em!

I get it now too, after feeling that Buffy probably believed she was adopted and had significant native ancestry. She provided her real birth certificate in her early 80s marriage, but, after decades of pretending she was unaware of the circumstances of her birth, she continued to lie and play the Indian masquerade for careerist reasons. As the researchers interviewed in the CBC program suggest, her shifting stories about the details of her Pretendian background are a major red flag. In the light of the overwhelming evidence going back 50 years, it's clear she couldn't remember her own fictions, and when she felt it was necessary would just make up something new at the spur of the moment and/or call her lawyers. Unfortunately, she continued this pattern of deception this week when asked about the revelations. I understand why many natives, and fans, are upset with her.

It’s not necessarily a tragedy, but certainly a notable detail that someone who has been a major public face and voice for indigenous people over the span of 60+ years does not actually have indigenous ancestry. The way St. Marie described her situation (handed over like a package to adoptive parents, with no knowledge of her background except that she was Native), sounds more like an elaborate scenario than a misunderstanding about heritage in the pre-DNA test days. It’s plausible that there might be a scenario in which she was told and believed that she didn’t share DNA with the rest of her family (i.e., illegitimacy). There are also plausible scenarios in which no one else instilled these beliefs in her, but she convinced herself of them: for instance, if she were abused, believing that she was part of a tribe to which she could someday return may have had a protective element.

That said, I found her statement in defense of herself manipulative in a way that suggests she was knowingly lying: making shady references to her mother’s shocking late-in-life disclosures, bringing up her brother’s abuse and that family member she’s never named, emphasizing how the CBC’s investigation triggers earlier trauma, etc. If she’s never knowingly lied or misrepresented her heritage, it would be easy enough to say so, remind the public of her formal adoption by a Native family, and point out that when she was younger, people relied on family members to tell them about their backgrounds and these stories weren’t always accurate. Instead, she recorded a litany of lightly described horrors.

I’ve enjoyed a lot of Buffy’s music over the years, but it does shift my impression of her to think she was playing a character.

Well put, r242

I don't know, R97. In the graduation photo at R21, she still looks Native American to me.

There sure are a lot of comments on this thread for some old bag I’ve never heard of.

My Husband is Lakota Native American. Rosebud Reservation South Dakota. He is 80 and I'm 67. He(Leo) is on the "roles" . All Native people had to have a reservation. All Native people had to be on the roles. The roles were their birthplace, name and what reservation. You had to have permission to leave the Rez from the Indian agent. And come back to the Rez.

The roles have now been eliminated. So when all the old Natives die off? Who gets the reservation lands? The Native people or the Government?

Leo doesn't get checks from the BIA. He does get a few hundred dollars a year from the renters of his 650 acres. All white farmers who got to lease his land per the BIA. They make thousands of dollars. Leo never got a free college education cause he's Native. Leo doesn't get casino money either.

Leo was sent to Catholic Indian Boarding School because "Indians" couldn't go to public school. And that was all Indians across the US.

He was raped and beaten by the priests. And beaten and tortured by the nuns. He has scars on his legs, arms, chest and back. I asked him about the scars on his head. The nuns used to beat his head against the walls until he bled. His Brother was killed there. And so many other horrible things. Happened in Marty, So. Dakota.

Leo doesn't care about Warren or Buffy St Marie(he loves her music). Leo and his people have more important things to worry about.

Leo and his people want the treaties honored. None have been honored and all broken. They want the black hills back. He knows that will never happen. Leo is not from India yet endures being called Indian with grace. He makes fun of it. He wears a tshirt that says " I'm FBI" "Full blooded Indian".

Leo is different. Not European. I can't explain it. His tribe is a matriarchy. He is the kindest Man I've ever met. And one myth that is true? Big cock!!!!! 😎

The high school graduation photo she looks like she has some Italian and her hair looks like it’s a medium brown color not the jet black color she’s had for many years.

I watched her response video and she casts herself as an outcast in her hometown. She looked like a normal teenager in 1958 and was involved in a lot of school activities. Her skin tone got darker as she got more prominent. The home movies don’t show her looking much different than her siblings.

Thanks for clarifying the situation with the brother. That is pretty shitty, but again, it's internal. The brother really had no right to tell on her. Does that justify her letter and threat? No, of course not, but I'm still not too clear on what she did wrong, aside from that, in the bigger picture.

Perhaps she really believed she was part of a particular tribe and was Native American. Maybe someone told her that when she was little and when she found out the truth, she didn't want to let it go. And maybe she just thought she could pull it off and help bring the plight of the American Indian to a larger awareness. I'm still not seeing anything that her claiming to be Native American has negatively affected. In these times where everyone is allowed to be trans-whatever this story seems like a nothing. I read about her career and her music and her activism (because frankly, all I ever knew about her was she co-wrote Up Where We Belong) and it all seems positive. It's not like she shoved Cristal Connors down the stairs.

She definitely bears a resemblance to her “adoptive” white mother and sister; I’m not sure how she explains it. Remarkable coincidence that they look alike. The sister is blond and blue-eyed, but she has the same facial features as Buffy.

Watch the full documentary, R248.

Here's the link again, in case it's gotten buried:

R248, I didn't hear anyone defending Rachel Dolezal so why are you giving Buffy a free pass for doing the same thing?

And why do people have to bring trans people into every thread?

I get her confused with Susan Saint James.

I heard that she is a big Indian giver.

[quote]I'm still not seeing anything that her claiming to be Native American has negatively affected.

Jacqueline Keeler:

While a move toward a preferred Native identity — a real-life cosplay experience — may be liberating for the individual, it dangerously erases the political reality and history of oppression experienced by tribal nations and their citizens. ... Pretendianism, therefore, is not just about replacing authentic Native voices with mummers in red face. It constitutes a cynical stealing of gains made by people of color in this country. It is a disturbing financial theft from some of the poorest people in America. The cost of Pretendianism is more than just the misleading play-acting of a role for an unsuspecting American audience. It causes harm to Native nations, communities and individuals who have already endured enough. Fact-checking claims of Native identity may appear unseemly to some, but it is a small imposition to reduce the continued trauma of Native Americans and the theft of our culture.

She looks like Roseanne Barr.

What a load of horseshit at R254

I bet she tans.

She’s got the face she deserves.

Here's a 5-minute story on the documentary for those who don't want to watch the full version:

R255 Does she deflect like her?

She done.

[quote] I didn't hear anyone defending Rachel Dolezal

What did Rachel Dolzal do for people exactly? Oh right nothing.

I am 1/3rd Native American, DNA to prove it. So I have lots of aunts and uncles who are even higher percentages. Her appearance is pretty convincing, high cheek bones, for example. Long hair and a tan can help that look a lot. Herc's the deal, none of the woman I know who are Native American actually try to look Native America. They all have short hair, modern clothes and jewelry, not feathers and beads.

The one facial characteristic that does not match up with the woman in my family is the eyes. Native Americans dont have round European eyes, they have a slightly angled edge to them. Sort of Asian, but not really. They fold outward not under. In older age, the lid can get really droopy to the point it can cause vision problems. Half of the woman in my family on that side had to get minor eyelid surgery.

R231 could be Steven Tyler’s wife

OMG I just watched the documentary. Her singing! Did she have the same vocal coach as Yoko Ono. Not only is she fake but she's a horrible person.

An entertainer fudging their backstory is very different from making a false claim to forge a whole career as an NAACP official or gain an edge in winning limited academic spots.

If an actor lied about being native America in 2023 to get a specific role playing a Native American, that would be bad. But crafting a Native American persona in the 1960’s? It’s just not that big of a deal. It’s like saying you were discovered at a soda fountain.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a kernel of truth somewhere in her story. Maybe her siblings are half siblings. If her biological father was Native American (or black or Pacific Islander) it wouldn’t show up on the birth certificate. I’m not saying this is likely, just that’s it’s one possibility. And it would explain her parents’ silence on the issue. I sort of want this to be the case so she can now take a DNA test and SHOCK THE WORLD.

I'm going to have to look up her stamp to see what it looks like.

I imagine some of us have fantasized about being adopted -- I know I did. I used to tell people that if I didn't look so much like both my parents, I would think somebody left me in a basket on the doorstep when I was a baby.

Alas.

Her brother didn't "tattle" on her. He was asked a question by a PBS producer and he answered honestly.

For his trouble, he was threatened by lawyers to keep quiet or he would be exposed as a sex offender.

There is written proof and not up for debate.

I originally didn't see any harm in this. Then I watched the doc.

This is blackmail, plain and simple. Her accusation would have ruined the lives of her own brother and his family.

Buffy (either Italian or Indigenous) is a straight up cunt.

[quote] I imagine some of us have fantasized about being adopted -- I know I did.

Really that some interesting. I’m adopted and fantasized the opposite.

Adoption is a beautiful thing, but it fucks you up.

Lily Gladstone’s Oscar campaign will stop at nothing.

R269 How many Chers are you grandmother to, exactly?

It’s ironic that the end result is Buffy is left red faced

R273 you should write for the CSI franchise

R270, yes, the one group of people that no one seems to be talking about is adoptees. Buffy spoke for us, and over us, for many years when she had no right to do so!

Some of my first memories are of Buffy and her music, because my (adoptive) parents were big fans. Later, I watched her on Sesame Street and loved her even more. To now discover that she is a liar and a truly vicious person is heartbreaking.

[quote]And one myth that is true? Big cock!

The biggest cock I ever saw was on a Native American guy.

There’s a newspaper article at this link that’s from the early 1960s where her uncle corrects the newspapers saying Buffy isn’t Indian and that is the ‘PR agents” who are pushing the Indian angle just to get her famous. No doubt this is what Buffy told her family when she first started posing as “an Indian girl.”

“Oh don’t worry, everyone has to have something that gets people’s attention. The PR agency thinks this will really launch my career. Just go along with it.”

Then, years later, when she was a “Native American icon” she threatened her brother that she’d tell everyone he sexually abused her as a child if he continued giving interviews saying she’s not Indian.

Oops this link

The best part is her being so scoldy of white people and of false narratives about native Americans. She was always scolding somebody or something.

Meanwhile she’s just a big nosed Nona

I started out like some hitters here, thinking what's the harm? She probably believed what relatives told her. But the CBC article makes it clear that she knew she was lying and even threatened family members with litigation and allegations of abuse if they said anything. My mind is blown; she's a horrible person. I wasn't exactly a fan but had fond memories of her from Sesame Street and fucking with my childhood memories is unforgivable (yeah, I know what she did to her family was much worse).

Of *others here.

Her self righteous sniffy oh-so-victimized but keeping herself strong routine is quite repulsive in retrospect. There’s nothing about this faker to like. Also the poster with the Lakota husband, that broke my heart. He sounds like a great guy and it pisses me off that the pretendians come and steal pain for gain.

But why chose an unheard of reserve in Canada though? Quite strange for a woman from Massachusetts, I'd say. How did she even first come into contact with the Indigenous family who adopted her?

When she became a celebrity, as a faked Native American, she was on reservations all the time.

Some of the lengthy paragraphs recently posted in this thread from the apologists are quite hilariously pollyanna. R266 and especially the brilliantly glib "reasonable" cosplay or "victimless acts" at R248.

R266 Watch the documentary before commenting. She’s a malignant con artist

Still trying to figure out how r63 can be one-third Indian.

I'm a folksinger — I enjoy Buffy's music but there always was something that didn't feel genuine about her. Perhaps it has to do with her repertoire of Anglo-American folk songs that have nothing to do with being indigenous. She was like a discount store Joan Baez with a screeching voice. I'm sad to see she was a fraud regarding her nationality but it comes as no surprise. You could tell anybody in the press ANYTHING in the 1960s and they bought it instantly.

She is very Italian-looking to me now since we saw some of her younger photos before she went Pretendian. The clerk of court who presented her 100% authentic birth certificate ties together the whole investigation. Outside of the Piapot Cree reservation stuff, all her awards should be rescinded because they were all in recognition of her being First Nations/Indigenous. None of this will stop me from singing "Universal Soldier", but I do know that my version is probably more reminiscent of Donovan than the original writer.

I think she buys the same brand of canned spray tan as Donald, just several shades darker. I believe her retirement was convenient for her — she and her legal team knew this was coming.

When I first moved to Brooklyn I walked by a man and an older woman shouting at each other in the street with heavy NYC accents.

When she walked away with her final salvo, “A curse on your family!” I thought I died and went to heaven.

I keep zooming in on Buffy’s face and hearing that.

Her Daddy was a number runner

Was it a long-form birth certicate? With a raised seal?

Oh, please. Without all the feathers, beads, orange foundation and turquoise nugget jewelry she's just a homely Sicilian crone.

There’s only one real way to see if she’s Sicilian.

Can someone with the reface app faceswap her with Puppazza?

[quote]Watch the video at [R191]. Holy shit.

Your 'holy shit' was enough to get me to watch. It was well done and extremely damning.

The fucking audacity!

lol, r271. .

How about Wayne Newton? He was this blindfish-red haired, pale skinned lad singing on a dancing pony during The Lucy Show. Next thing my sister and I were watching Tomight Show and out cones Wayne Newton with jet black hair and bronzed skin.

“Is he….Japanese?” my sister asked.

Ever since then we called him Wayne Newton-san.

Claims he’s Native American.

I’m absolutely serious, this had to have surfaced because of Lily Gladstone. Buffy St. Marie is on the record as the only Indigenous person to have won the Academy Award. With her out of the way, Gladstone gets more sizzle to her campaign.

Who gives a shit???

Sure. A 41 year old Oscar win that no one even remembers in a category no one gives a shit about is what's going to tank Gladstone's chances.

Another liar like most left-leaning clowns.

R297 —yes, the studio and Scorsese paid off the CBC just now…bags and bags of Loons transferred in a parking garage in Medicine Hat.

What about that Canadian woman who claimed to be native who’s some kind of doctor, specializing in native health care? Told story that her parents married as teens, her life was filled with violent, drug addicted, alcoholic family. Her “native” grandpa would hold her and tell her “you’re going to be a doctor or a lawyer,” as domestic chaos took place all around her.

She’s 100% Eastern European. All these Pretendians dress like cigar store Indians with their feathers, robes, and beads.

So she comes from Massachusetts and claims to be an Indian. It's in the water there. There are Pretendians everywhere there , especially on the Cape and the Islands. Adam Clayton Powell called them "Monegs" and "Nonegs". They look part Black and have Portuguese last names. They run from DNA tests like Vampires from sunlight.

I'm Native American biologically, officially, factually. Both my parents were enrolled members of the same tribe and here I am along with my siblings.

I didn't think I could be shocked anymore. I thought I'd experienced and heard it all.

I'm not a cynic, I'm a realist.

BUT

Now, since this came out, and looking back at BS-M's career, I realize there was always something mysterious about her, even though I accepted, at face value, she was a First Nations Cree from Canada.

So, a part of me isn't surprised and the cynic that I deny being still has a beating heart. Truth is dead.

Something else has to be acknowledged, too, and it isn't to let BS-M off the hook. That isn't possible.

It's this. Back in the 60s and 70s, after we were all conquered, and therefore, it was the "cool" and safe thing to do, adopting Native American style and claiming ancestry was faddish, it was, to use a dated word "In".

Whoever posted upthread that every performer needed a gimmick, well, there is a lot to that observation. BS-M's moral failing is that she never corrected the record.

Cher, what ever happened to you being NA?

Just watched the documentary and the bitch clearly lied about it all. She was born into a white family and has no biological ties to indigenous heritage. There are also numerous inconsistencies in the stories she's told over the years (e.g. part of the "great scoop" which didn't start for well over a decade after she was born). Also watching the clips of her, I'm pretty certain she "browns up." I don't believe a word she says about her brother molesting her.

Okay so yes, she has stood up for indigenous rights but she also appropriated their culture to make millions. Basically (like many other "pretendians") she's a white woman who felt she needs something "special" about her to stand out. She also was awarded Canada's highest honour without even being Canadian.

I’m appalled by her saying that shit about her dead brother. The spirit in the sky isn’t going to like this, Buffy! Her name is stupid too.

I always wonder how someone lives with a lie of this magnitude for so long. Did she feel secure in the lie, or was she always waiting for the other moccasin to drop?

This is r304 again and going off what r307 said, another thing I thought of since this came out is, of course, now obvious.

There were at least a handful of others, besides here biological family, who now may be dead or alive who had to have known all of this and kept it confidential.

Her attorneys and management had to have known of this for decades.

They were professionally required to keep this confidential, and boy, did they ever. But, of course, they were riding the gravy train, too.

It seems that most of these cases are women.

What’s up with that?

Johnny Depp is listed as one

There are plenty of men too. It is easy for women to wear all the accessories nowadays than men and to wear bad foundation to alter the skin tone like Buffy

I don't see an issue?

She pissed off someone at CBC, in a bad way! Who knew Canucks were so vindictive?

R283 Powwows are a huge deal around here. I used to work closely with a few reserves, which is where I first saw Buffy perform. People travel all over the country, some even go to the States to watch them and to compete. First Nations people in Canada are immediately entitled to Permanent Residency upon entering the US so many who travel the circuit do both. I knew people on Piapot with friends and family in Montana, for example. Chief Piapot is a well known figure here in Canada, atleast, he should be. Anyway, it's totally likely Buffy was attending these powwows to perform and network back in the day. The people of Piapot are very loving and I think they would've been impressed by her and so they welcomed her with open arms. She probably fed them a story as part of her grift. The rest is history.

Ugly woman

One weirdly random thing was her comment to the kid on Sesame Street who said that his grandmother (I think) read him a story about a native American, and her response was something like "but was she a REAL Native American? Because I am REAL." She's gross. Down to her "my truth" and "wrong-side-of-the-blanket" BS spin upon getting called out. She had many opportunities to make this work for her, or to explain. But everything is so murky, and appears to rely on dead relatives who can no longer refute her bullshit claims. No pity.

That chick at the Oscars wasn’t Native American either.

They saw something like a 3000% increase in people claiming NA ancestry after the movie “Dances with Wolves”.

On the census, that is.

R253 wins 😁

I used to love that psychedelic album Illuminations. What a bummer she’s a twisted fraud.

Thing is she’s been getting called out for years. Her uncle went to the newspaper and corrected them. Her brother told PBS Buffy wasn’t Native American but they went ahead and gave her the Sesame Street episode. Relatives wrote letters to editors. Her niece and nephew tried telling people after she made terrible accusations when their father was dead. She claimed she was at Alcatraz during the occupation. But everybody just ignored it and let her play righteous Indian princess.

She’s a sociopath. The media enabled her. People like her hurt the movement by native Americans that was gathering strength in 1950s and 1970s. People like her fucking infiltrated the Native American movement.

I don’t believe for 1 second that she was persecuted by LBJ and Nixon. FBI would’ve found out she was a white girl from Massachusetts in no tine flat and she would’ve been exposed. Unless…….they got a quid pro quo from her to keep her cover story.

Another example of extreme left and extreme right being the same thing : grifting horrible liars

[Quote] What did Rachel Dolzal do for people exactly? Oh right nothing. - R262

Like Buffy, Rachel Dolezal faked her way into a position for social justice.

She “has been a civil rights activist in her adopted home of Spokane, Washington, and, subsequently, was elected as the chapter president of the NAACP” - ABC News

Rachel and Buffy could have been welcomed as allies if they had been honest. But they chose not to be. Rachel even attended Howard U. Buffy was embraced by natives and adopted by one couple - accepted into their tribe. Those two likely saw through Buffy's grift and it didn't matter. It's the cynical lying that is the problem for society in general. It's a form of stolen valor, or victimhood. It's a character flaw. Fraudsters cause wreckage in their families, relationships, and professions.

R322, except pretty much all people on the right, not just the far right, are grifters. Trump is a mainstream Republican and he's a grifter

Buffy started learning about Native Americans in university. Her course record is posted in one of the links above. She could have been a white girl, a folk singer and started to share her love for native culture, as a white girl. But she didn't do that. In Britney's memoire, Justin is derided for being a wigga. But millions of white american boys of certain generation really got into black pop culture. So it's not a crime that Justin was a wigga, and he didn't lie and say he was half black to get more cred. Justin, like millions of others, does not have the mental illness that fraudsters have.

Reinvention is a constant theme in American culture. There are hundreds or thousands of novels and movies about people who reinvent their entire identities. Buffy could do it because part of American culture for 200 years was unspoken acceptance that people can do this. There were some advantages to it being possible - upward mobility and avoidance of danger.

It's a complex and fascinating, shadowy part of American culture.

In fact, maybe it was in HS that Buffy got started on her N.A. fascination.

For comparison purposes: See The Great Gatsby. Also, the interesting movie about social class: Working Girl, which came from a long line of movies about women who had to reinvent themselves, in the process being frauds, to succeed...or escape.

Trump is an enormous fraudster, and grifter. No matter how often and clearly New York Metropolitan area people told the nation that the guy was a fraud and grifter, American culture in general WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT. They wanted the illusions he was selling. The media had a hand in that because they liked the hits and numbers that coverage of Trump, the billionaire businessman, produced. They liked false equivalencies. The true story was overlooked and downplayed because the FRAUD of this figure was making money for everyone.

You know in many other countries, especially Europe, it is not so easy to reinvent oneself because of the level of bureaucratic checking that is necessary to get through life. Until very recent decades in the USA, there was almost NO checking of references in the professional world. Yet try to get a job in western or Central Europe. A hire must produce a stack of authenticated copies of diplomas and certificates from every former employer. None of this existed for centuries in the USA. It's only recently that American culture has embraced background checks and proofs of identity and "authenticity". Buffy's birth certificate was never necessary or required for anything. Such is not the case in other countries.

I went to Catholic high school, and was shocked my public school friends had to get photo ID. Then I went to local community college and didn’t have photo ID. We carried our semester schedules with us, folded up in a pocket. They were about 5” by 7”. If a prof saw you wandering around they’d ask where you were going. You’d pull out your schedul, show them and say you were looking for the language lab or science class.

Wasn’t until I moved to the big city and went to university that I got a photo ID for school. That’s how I know it’s true that Trump paid off people to take tests for him.

I think reinventing yourself is fine when you’re escaping a social, economic or religious stigma. But it can also be the sign of a con artist. To spend a lifetime gaining awards and recognition for being something you’re not seems sociopathic. I guess she was far too gone to admit the truth.

Pretendians have to have the right hair and skin tone; Dolezal kept her kinky perm maintained, and Saint-Marie left her dark Italian hair long and wild (and probably dyed at some point). Both of their face bronzing looks terrible upon scrutiny, especially S-M's matte powdery effect. Just wow.

Race is a social construct anyhow, so if a person of indigenous ancestry (however that is defined) is raised by a white family from infancy — with no connection to their indigenous family — the experience of their culture is literally skin-deep. The darker they are, the more discrimination they face. When Buffy started identifying as Cree and darkening her skin, she started experiencing the world as she would have as an actual adopted Native American who has to do research and footwork to reconnect to their “heritage.”

How.you say...: Saskatoon berry?

Wayne Newton had blindfish hair and so did Elvis .

Deadline enters the scene…

Nancy Kerrigan & Buffy St. Marie: the best of Stoneham, MA.

Bearclaw Buttafuoco

Pity. I like her jewels and feathers. I should have suspected given their over the top theatricality.

Had to hide this thread the pic is too ugly for words

Who is this bitch and why have I never heard of her?

[quote]When Buffy started identifying as Cree and darkening her skin, she started experiencing the world as she would have as an actual adopted Native American who has to do research and footwork to reconnect to their “heritage.”

Except I got paid for it! Lots!!

So is it tanning or makeup?

Hat is it that makes white peoples want to pretend to be native?

A Buffy thread from a couple of years ago closed with only twelve posts. Can't see why.

John Waters had to have the name Buffy Sainte Marie on his mind when he created the character Muffy St. Jacques.

Liawatha or Fauxcohantas?

Gasp.

The same people defending her asking “what’s the harm” and all the good she did are the same people who will say the trend of straight young women who identify as queer is harmful to the community.

I don't hold it against people who believed they were Native American, but turned out not to be. That's different from creating the narrative when you know it's false. Lots of people were told they had Native backgrounds to cover for African admixture. I'm part Angolan, Congolese and Ghanaian. I still don't try to claim I'm Black for benefits (affirmative action) because it would be disingenuous. I will say I had enslaved/African ancestors because it's true.

Pick a note Buffy. Any note.

Her entire premise of gaining Canadian citizenship as an adult wasn’t true if these CBC findings are correct. I wonder if her citizenship there will be revoked. She received one of the country’s highest honours, Office of the Order of Canada, and she’s even on a Canadian stamp. How awkward.

Leave it to DataLounge to teach me who this person was, let alone her atrocity.

She’s close enough

"atrocity", r354?

You might want to look that word up.

I Midjourney’d “A Sicilian woman dressed up like a Native American Indian.”

It is indeed Buffy.

Just for fun, this was “A Sicilian man dressed up like a Native American Indian.”

He’s gorgeous

NO-BREEEEED!!!! 🎶 🐎

I don’t care what they say - Buffy will always be the star who one-upped Carly and Joni by actually showing unclothed nipple on an album cover - 1974’s Buffy (MCA). They’ll never take that away from her. And it’s not a half bad album.

The way she threatened her brother in that letter is chilling. She was probably lied about the molestation too. Believe every fake Native American woman.

Like I give a shit. I’m relaxing in the infinity pool in my Hanalei mansion right now. Later I’m going to pleasure myself with my Oscar.

May I have the talking stick Buffy

[quote] a son, Dakota "Cody" Starblanket Wolfchild

Poor half Sicilian guy thinks he’s 100% Native American.

R351 There's definitely a narrative in many multi-generational Canadian family of someone in the family having a baby with an indigenous person. I've heard it numerous times. My grandmother was certain that her great-grandmother had an affair with an indigenous man based on stories passed down to her, but when my mom did a DNA test, we have zero indigenous blood.

Same story here. My dad believed he had NA ancestry but my DNA test came back with no Native blood. However, I do have Sardinian ancestry.

Those Midjourney pics are great

Rebecca Hall was on Finding Your Roots, she found out that she had a black ancestor who was "passing" as Native American. This was in the Jim Crow era.

[R366] me too! Sardinian and a bit of west Africa which the family decided to construe as Native because of straight black hair and what they used to call swarthy complexions.

Excerpt from a great episode.

My great- grandmother had dark hair, an olive complexion, and a prominent nose. But her parents were an Irishman from Pennsylvania and her mother was from Yorkshire. Her father was a Reverend in Kansas City,Mo so I always suspected she had been adopted from there and possibly had Mediterranean ancestry.

[quote]Like I give a shit. I’m relaxing in the infinity pool in my Hanalei mansion right now.

I'd advise you to be careful, Buffy.

Don’t go into the Jacuzzi!

Buffy's gonna have a great obituary one day.

I'm following some hysteria on Facebook where a woman is accusing the media of "attacking an Indigenous person" and a man is saying the government did this to shut down her powerful song "Universal Soldier" (which she recorded in 1964) because it had the power to "convince young men not to go to war."

[quote]Oh, please. Without all the feathers, beads, orange foundation and turquoise nugget jewelry she's just a homely Sicilian crone.

Her sister was the pretty one in the family; maybe that’s at the root of Buffy getting lost in the fantasy of being an adopted indigenous baby.

OK I made fun of Buffy and her voice on the thread. So I dug a little deeper and found this song. It's fucking genius. Not just her delivery but mostly for the lyrics. I can see why she was easy for the indigenous people to let her be out front on some issues. Very charismatic. These lyrics are killer. If she did the video work she's got a knack for that too..

Someone needs to do a mockumentary about a fake Native American folk singer like Buffy. It would be hilarious! Fred Armisen could play her.

I wonder how many trilling, beaded, feathered Buffies will be powwowing at the Halloween parada this evening.

^*parade

What’s particularly mortifying about this exposé is that Buffy was always first in the queue when it came to decrying cultural appropriation. So many interviews where she criticises white people for donning the outfits and feathered headdresses. All along it was projection! Still, she certainly committed to the lie. And some of her albums are great, though she was never one for fully grasping the potential of chords. Her songs are generally kumbayah level and so it’s left to the production and arrangement (eg on the Illuminations album) to provide a halfway satisfying level of complexity. .

Oh come on.

Her "singing" is at a Yoko level of awful.

Turning out to be a bully and a fraud is pretty much the most interesting thing about her.

And I agree this begs for "A Mighty Wind" style of skewering.

If you can't sing like Emmylou Harris and you can't write songs like Joni Mitchell, well, you gotta get a gimmick if you wanna get ahead!

Laughing at the freaks who bought into her crap singing and persona lock, stock and barrel. Like they do for Elizabeth Warren.

I gotta say Buffy has some balls, her response to all this isn't to deny the allegations she's just said "I know what I am." If this was a white man, I think he would've been cancelled in a microsecond.

Her Juno may be cancelled.

R384 Elizabeth Warren really believed her family lore. She took an ancestry test believing it would vindicate her. Seems Buffy was a fraud from day 1.

Oh she really believed her family lore? Than why did Elizabeth Warren only started checking N.A. as her identity when she need an edge, moving up into Ivy League employment and visibility.

I’m so sick of seeing her ugly mug on the daily feed. Whoever or whatever keeps bumping this nothing burger thread. Please stop.

On the rare occasion I see a preview that really annoys me, r389, I just disable previews for a little while - or I just get over it. I suggest you pick one of those options. This thread won't last long.

I'm old enough to remember Buffy Saint Marie. I'm a little surprised by all this.

Republicans like r384 who go after Elizabeth Warren probably support Anna Paulina Luna and George Santos, two freepers who pretended to be Jewish

[quote]I wonder how many trilling, beaded, feathered Buffies will be powwowing at the Halloween parada this evening. ^^parade

“Parada” is correct , DoomLA

R392 Hahaha. Thanks. Sometimes a typo really fits the bill.

R382 To Yoko's credit (did I really type that?) she wasn't pretending to be Japanese. And.... Did somebody say "WIND"?

BSM has done so much to advance the ingenious cause in Canadian society, it is jusy downright mean to throw stones at this 82 year old woman

Buffy is a huge, huge star - this is not a nothing-y story. She conquered the music world and then broke into mainstream TV on an international level.

R396 An international level, and yet I’ve never heard of her.

It’s sad to see such an ugly pic on DL. I can’t say I’m surprised

R397 go back 50-60 years I guess

R397 Your ignorance, of which you seem inordinately proud, is not Buffy’s fault

There are always a few of her records lying around the vinyl section of any vintage store, next to the half a dozen copies of "Tapestry."

So I already posted this upthread but if I am 15% Native American, should I identify as Indigenous?

To the trolls who are holding onto this nothing burger thread….

Fuck off!

Stop saying “nothing burger” you witless ass.

R402 My understanding is that most NA go by shared culture and tribal affiliation rather than blood quantum. If you are 15% NA, but parent(s) are tribal members, you might be able to claim NA status. It varies by tribe though. Theoretically you could be 100% NA and not be a tribal member as some recognize only matrilineal descent and some only patrilineal descent.

Go touch grass!

R402 You just identified yourself perfectly; 15% indigenous (even better if you can narrow it down to a proper tribal lineage).

As I mentioned in a previous post, I'm part Angolan, Congolese and Ghanaian. I'm about 6% Sub-Saharan African. My great grandfather was born mulatto and was later "Passé Blanc". I was raised white (Jewish). I look white and do not experience life as a Black man. It's fine for me to say I have African ancestors, but I would piss a lot of Black people off if I claimed to be Black or took awards or spaces intended for Blacks.

R409 not interested in the slightest. This ain’t Ancestry.com

R404, r403 is nothing more than a troll - just check their history. Might as well block him.

R411 Thanks. Done.

This thread now has beat a dead horse-with no name.

There is not a WoMan called Horse—

Only a Very Little Big Woman

For all of you folks talking about DNA, I hate to disappoint you.

DNA results are fairly useless in determining Native American background. So all of this 'why doesn't she take a test?' means nothing.

Amongst other reasons, the commercial DNA testing company's comparison databases have statistically useless tiny NA collections.

What a dumb thread to keep going.

R416 The link posted basically says that tribal and NA identity is based on a shared culture. The tests are useful in telling whether someone has any genetic connection to NA ancestry. It can't tell if you were adopted into a tribe or perhaps, your ancestry is so far back that nothing specifically NA remains in your genes. I would doubt that the tests have enough data to confirm tribe. I would say they are far from useless though.

continuing from R418. Buffy could take the test to confirm that she at least has detectable NA DNA. The problem is that she made the whole thing up and intimidated people to keep her secret.

Yeah, that link at R416 is really weird. I get the point, but I think everyone understands that genetic testing companies are selling a DNA analysis, not an identify. The site comes across as though it has some kind of agenda. I’d suspect it wasn’t legit if it wasn’t .gov

No tests are needed.

We know who her biological parents were, their ancestry and where she was born and raised.

We have heard from her family and they provided written proof of her fraud. The viciousness used to protect that web of lies is the kicker.

There is no wiggle room here.

And "nothing burger" is tRump speak. Please stop.

Wow. Even a Buffy St. Marie thread becomes a Trump thread.

The Indian said that she was white by law--the white man always called her Indian squaw!

There have been so many cases of high-profile "Native Americans" turning out to be white. It's bizarre. At this point, it wouldn't shock me if it turned out Pocahontas's birth name was actually Giovanna di Stefano.

You do know R424 here married name was Rebecca Rolfe, didn’t you? Did you pass history in elementary school?

There have been other articles talking about these companies missing most Native American dna and it’s because native Americans tend to be low-income and haven’t been tested because they won’t spend the money on it, thereby making the database incomplete. Returning 0% na on people who absolutely know for a fact they have it is very common. This testing is not the be-all, end-all most people think it is.

R425, Kit's post was quite clear: "BIRTH NAME". I think you're the one who needs to go back to elementary school.

Do you believe her actual birth name was “Pocahontas”?

It’s not a DNA test that indicated she’s not Native American from Canada…it’s her white birth family from Massachusetts.

R426 The reason for a relatively low database of NA DNA has nothing to do with Indians being poor. They are discouraged to do it by their leadership. They want NA identity to go hand in hand with the culture rather than genetics. The National Geographic Geographic Project that started all of the direct to consumer DNA testing offered free DNA testing to indigenous peoples all over the world and probably still do. There is a fair amount of NA DNA in ancestry and 23&Me databases thanks to Mexicans. Mexicans have a pretty high percentage of NA DNA even though many do not identify as NA. I've been actively involved with this for at leat 15 years and have attended lectures given by Spencer Wells on the subject when he was the project director.

I still don't believe it. Plus she was addicted to codeine.

I know this is getting off the topic of Buffy St-Marie, but some might find it interesting. It delves into some of the reasons that NA peoples are suspicious of DNA testing. The article brings up a number of objections, with one of them being concerns that the testing might be used to show they came from somewhere else (being "disinherited" so to speak). It's been pretty well established that NAs originated in Asia and crossed the Bering Strait in several different migrations. This goes against some of the legends and spiritual beliefs of NAs that say they are from the Americas since the beginning of time.

Native Americans did not come from Asia and they weren't around since the beginning of time. How ridiculous. They are God's creations.

I don't blame NA for their resistance to DNA testing.

[quote]There is not a WoMan called Horse

Ahem.

Who is this freak?

R432 DNA testing could also presumably disprove the origin stories of many peoples and religions around the world

Do you mean like the Mormon belief from the Book of Mormon that "Lamanites" (Native Americans) are descendants of Jews? Now they are saying only some of them were descendants of Jews since DNA proves it to be wrong.

What R421 said.

If she took a DNA test, it would show she's whiter than Whitey McWhiterson. Her parents were whites from Massachusetts. As she gained fame in the '60s and '70s, she had an entire white family in Mass who were like, "What the fuck is she doing?" And some family members said, leave her alone or she'll sue us.

The documentary showed the birth certificate, the yearbook photos, even home movies. Case closed.

Buffy even tried to sic her lawyers on the CBC, and the network was like, nope, we have plenty of proof.

This awful cunt really doesn’t want her cover blown . I guess a 60+ year grift is hard to give up .

Different on outside same on inside!

What about Buffy’s right to self-identify? She knows who she is, as her statement makes clear. Even if she’s only indigenous at essence level rather than by DNA, that’s enough. Plus the media is overlooking another ace up her sleeve: she’s indigenous by penetration - her son’s father was indigenous.

Couldn’t she take the test on a national television show like Maury or Jerry Springer?

When Marlon Brando played Jor-el in Superman, he wanted to "self-identify" as a bagel or a green suitcase, R442. He said that's what people looked like on Krypton.

What about his right to "self-identify?" Saying so didn't make him either one. He was still an actor, not a chewy breakfast treat or a Samsonite rollaboard.

[quote]He was still an actor, not a chewy breakfast treat

I beg to disagree.

My brother in law got his kids through college with advanced degrees and no student loan debt using tribal scholarships. His grandmother was a member of some tribe. She was 50% native which made his mom %25 percent native which made his kids about as native American as my cat. He was an NFL ref and at the time and the NFL had some sort of financial benefit for minority game officials. So he shows up to join the program and the black referees are like WTF??? He proudly states he's NA and they said the fuck you are. Grifters gonna grift.

I recall her from Sesame Street, but that's it. Her complexion does seem American Indian to me. Could she be wearing red face?

If she's taking up the slot for indigenous women I'm not sure the real problem is Buffy. I see her as a kid starting the story for excitement and trying to be original, then it became her stairway to stardom, then it just got out of control, then she started believing it on some sort of level. Then she got nasty to protect her secret. I'm not excusing what she's done but my hatred and indignation sort of has it's limits. So I can't waste to much time on this one. Though it is pretty funny. TBH I kind of like her fuck off way of dealing with it. No matter what she said or did no one coming for her is going to be satisfied with anything she says or does on the matter Again I get the shittiness of it but the thing that keeps coming to my mind is why now? For fuck sake.

I suspect that in Canada, where she is an Officer of the Order of Canada (it’s not nobility, but still an honor) they might be pissed off the same way people in the US have claimed a Purple Heart they weren’t given, R448.

There are about a million other things the CBC could have done stories on - like why Pierre Poilievre won't get security clearance, Stephen Harper's involvement with the IDU and his ties to Putin, Orban, and other despots, the number of so-called orphan wells in Alberta and how the taxpayer is on the hook for cleaning them up.

My feelings are similar to R448’s. I think her age and era are mitigating factors. I don’t know why, but I’m cutting her a lot of slack. While she clearly benefited from the NA identify, I suspect native Americans benefited from her public persona. The net effect was positive for native Americans. She didn’t take scholarships or fill quotas.

I’m imagining a girl who, for whatever reason, felt removed from her family. The fantasy you are adopted is a common one, even among kids who don’t feel apart from their families. She wasn’t particularly attractive by the Caucasian beauty standards of her time, so it makes sense that she would gravitate to an “ethnic” look that worked a little better for her.

The thing with her brother and the threats are what’s not possible to get past. But, ultimately, there are two things that are impossible to know:

1. Was her father her biological father and were there any credible suspicions he wasn’t?

2. Was there any abuse?

Given her age, it’s not like old friends and classmates are likely to come forth and give perspective on what her family dynamics were when she was a child. I don’t want to cast dispersions on her dead brother, but I also have to wonder what he had to gain by “outing” her. Why did she have to send the threatening letter? Today, it would make sense. But back then why would he feel the need to set the record straight about her ethnicity? It wasn’t hurting him. So it’s suggestive of existing bad blood.

First off, the name “Buffy” is ridiculous. I have a severe aversion to anything named that.

Second, she’s UGLY! No DNA test or witness testimony is going to change that.

R452 the Lie-awata-mi tribe

I wouldn’t name my kid, dog or cleansing pad “Buffy”.

Has The Buffster proffered any statements in her defense?

R451 Did you watch the video? Her brother was not the only one outing her. Her uncle did first in the 60s. Then a niece and nephew did for CBC.

The family probably felt guilt by association, plus it must be a mind fuck to have your blood relative disown your family by pretending they aren’t kin.

As her brother states in a letter, he felt she was stealing prominence from real native people. Especially since she was about to go on television and lie to millions of children.

Maybe you’re used to this post-truth era, but even if she had a different father, which there is zero evidence of, she created a cockamamie stolen valor scenario with the 60s sweep sob story.

If the whole thing started as a minor falsehood that grew out of control, it did because she kept at it, rejiggering her story and thrusting herself in the public eye in her regalia, collecting awards she didn’t deserve.

R456 Yup. It appears based on the CBC documentary that once Buffy's immediate family started airing the truth, she threatened them with legal action and accused her brother of sexually assaulting her as a child.

R451 Admittedly at first I was also like leave the old woman alone, but I've changed my tune. Yes she may have done some good for indigenous rights and awareness BUT she did so by appropriating indigenous culture and making millions off of it.

R451 According to Buffy’s brother’s daughter, it was the PBS producers who contacted him after he had a chance meeting. with Buffy who introduced him as her brother.

Someone later called and asked him his ethnicity and he was honest. Then her high-profile record industry lawyers created a menacing letter, which was sent along with her handwritten accusation of abuse.

What I give her the most credit for is that she nails the speaking voice. Impeccable. That is showing respect for your grift. As someone who spoke about, in another thread, embezzling about 330K and not getting caught, I giver her my sincerest props. She was all in.

Those who say this isn’t newsworthy were probably the first to jump on Rachel Dolezal, who really was a nobody. For decades, Buffy Sainte-Marie was easily the most recognizable Indian in America. People seeking to sweep this under the rug are doing so because she is widely beloved—which is exactly why it’s news.

R445 I thought Wally was the chewy breakfast treat.

[quote] A group of Indigenous women is calling for Buffy Sainte-Marie to lose her Juno Award for Indigenous album of the year

Hold it a second. The award for the Indigenous album of the year is named for a Roman goddess?

Doesn't that make this a case of DOUBLE CULTURAL APPROPRIATION

The Juno awards are Canadian, not exclusively Indigenous.

R417 - if it’s such a dumb thread to keep going, why’d you feel the need to respond on it 6-7 times?

R455 In a manner of speaking, littered with "my truths" and evasive gobbledygook grift à la Eelaria Baldwin.

How you say debunked?

[quote][R417] - if it’s such a dumb thread to keep going, why’d you feel the need to respond on it 6-7 times?

Because the 80 year old pretendian has a touch of dementia.

Has she suckled cock recently?

My God. The thing with her brother. There's no way to know if that's a lie or not, which makes the whole thing even worse. IF she lied about that, that is pure evil.

But for that, I'd have an easier time feeling sympathy for her. I'd be worried about her mental state, having her life collapse around her at such an advanced age. God help her/have mercy on her.

She is a terrible person.

[quote]I'd be worried about her mental state, having her life collapse around her at such an advanced age.

I'm heading to the medicine man for some antidepressants as I type!

[quote]My God. The thing with her brother. There's no way to know if that's a lie or not, which makes the whole thing even worse. IF she lied about that, that is pure evil.

Assuming she’s telling the truth about her brother being a pedophile, she withheld that info and used it as a bargaining chip to cover up her fraud instead of disclosing it, which could have possible saved more kids from being molested. Less evil than lying about it, but still kind of evil.

Who is this Buffy person? Roberta sings one of Buffy's most famous songs.

Then she wrote a book about it and blabbed it all over the place when he was dead. If he was such a pedo why didn't his good looking daughter get molested by him. Buffy needed something shocking for the book so she shit on her family again.

There’s usually a pattern with nutters like Buffy. They wear a veneer of specialness and nobility, and declare themselves a persecuted martyr whenever someone questions their character. Every family has one!

R472 - why assume Buffy is being truthful about the molestation?. It is clear she has lied in several other aspects and that is a serious fake accusation. I am not in the “Believe all Pretendians” camp for sure .

She brought us joy! 🤡

Take off those feathers, Buffy.

The Toronto Sun editorial linked at r477 is heap big bullshit. The only thing “convoluted” about Buffy’s birth is the lying she does about it.

She fully deserves to be tarred. Luckily for her she's already amply feathered.

She's Spanõla como yo!

Buffetta Santa Maria!

Buffy is a ridiculous name.

Her real name is Beverly. I can see how Beverly can turn into Buffy, especially if there were younger siblings. Beverly, Bevvy, Buffy

Stupid

How you say mentirosa?

No lawsuits filed yet; it must all be true.

I wish she’d file a lawsuit because the discovery phase would be highly entertaining.

Is the Toronto Sun a high school paper? Sure, she’s a blackmailing conwoman who’s paraded herself as a victim of oppression she never avitaillât experienced, but, hey she’s Canadian (sort of) and she sparked joy so nasty of you for even thinking about it!

How is Buffy Canadian? By claiming to be? If Trump’s elected again, can I do that?

That don't impress me much...

She was so cute on that TV show. I wonder what Cissy and Mr. French think?

I don’t get the “Buffy is ugly” troll. She was always a perfectly attractive woman, with good features. Ugly only if you think all women should look like Barbie.

One of the prettier songs from her time on Sesame St

[quote]I don’t get the “Buffy is ugly” troll.

It's an all purpose troll, r492. See r411.

[quote][R404], [R403] is nothing more than a troll - just check their history. Might as well block him.

Interesting to note that on Facebook, Buffy’s son, Cody Wolfchild Starblanket, confirms that the brother was a nasty piece of work who bullied Buffy relentlessly for her looks/colouring. Chronic cruelty to her throughout her upbringing. You might think he was bound to confirm Buffy’s version of events, but he does in fact depart from it on various other points, so is not simply backing her up come what may.

Let me keep playing Indian or I will call you a child rapist.

Cody Wolfchild Starblanket

R496 😂😂😂 So obnoxious, but basically!

She is a cunt. A lying nasty cunt.

R495 that’s also entirely her version of the story and not the brothers who probably had nothing to do with Buffy after she wrote him that letter.

Also the photos and home movies of Buffy and her siblings when they were young don’t show her to be much if any darker than her siblings.

She is a butt-face named Buffy!

One has to wonder why the family want to bring Buffy down. What’s in it for them? And even if she isn’t Native American, she’s given birth to one, which has to count for something.

Well, if the brother's daughter doesn't believe her father was guilty of physically and sexually abusing Buffy (as she said in the 2018 bio), she may want to point out Buffy's lack of credibility on her origin stories. Buffy's sister may feel that her mother has been misrepresented as an accomplice in Buffy's adoption narrative and wants to set the record straight. Seeing someone publicly honored for decades as a representative of something you believe is based on a conscious deception can't be easy.

Why do American Indians hate April?

Because April showers bring Mayflowers

[quote] It’s unclear what point the CBC program The Fifth Estate is trying to make about legendary Canadian singer-songwriter Buffy Sainte-Marie, probing her Indigenous heritage in a documentary.

Oh so 𝘕𝘖𝘞 cultural appropriation doesn't matter??

I think perhaps the best thing to do is to have a trans-racial amnesty. All trans-racials can come out into the open and have their birth certificates and documentation changed to reflect their racial identity (as opposed to their actual birth race). We then all agree not to dead-race any of them and let them live in their acquired races.

I'm a Piapot too!

Saint Bluffy Marie of the Pretendians.

A gal's gotta eat.

Anyone defending her obviously didn’t take the time to watch the exposé

Has Joni Mitchell commented?

I don't believe any of this. Need DNA test too prove.

R512 do you really think a DNA test will show anything other than her being white/Italian? Unfortunately she will never take one, because she knows what it will show .

She needs to do some reflection and apologize. She did a terrible thing, but I do feel badly for her. She got herself caught up in something that became bigger than her. And as time has gone on, her type of specific actions have been more and more frowned upon. But, we're all human. All imperfect.

Whatever happens, I hope she's at peace in her final days.

What a cunt.

R513 "And as time has gone on, her type of specific actions have been more and more frowned upon."

This part is very true.

Her type of political/advocacy actions? What are "her type of specific actions"? Example please.

The wrong side of the blanket

R516 yeah, that was inartfully stated. I just meant that what she's being accused of having done at the start of her career, lying about her background, has become viewed as a worse transgression in the eyes of the general population since the early '60s.

Pretendian. Offensive. She will never admit it and give up status.

What status does she have left?

She may keep the money but now she's a joke.

She’s almost dead fool

Just in time for part 2

The absurdity of her awkwardly and randomly making a point on Sesame Street that she was a "real Indian" (and all the pathetic lore about what "we [Native kids] learned growing up" goes beyond a mere innocent cosplay hippie-era trendy squaw moment. It's pathetic and obnoxious. I'm glad she lived long enough to be called on this icky, toxic, delusional shit. Here "native" trilling turkey gobbling is ridiculous. Plus, she's ugly. Put that in your pipe and smoke-signal it, Ke-mo sah-bee!

^*her

She puta

What kind of backpack is she wearing on Sesame Street? My friend carried one like that in the 1970s. It was slightly smaller. I really wanted one. Looked all Army Navy store-ish, which was really cool in those days.

That CBC reporter better be careful he doesn't get a smallpox blanket in the mail.

Her and Rachel Dolezal could start an Indigo Girls adjacent group!

The DNA results are in: she belongs to the Wassamattayew Nation.

Has the most important DL relevant question been answered? Does her pussy stink?

Every time I see the headline on OP’s post I hear Keenan Thompson from Black Jeopardy, “They Out Here Sayin’….Buffy Sainte Marie ain’t a Indian.”

R529 Her could do what now?

Maybe she grew up hearing the story that she was Indigenous and adopted and never heard any different while she was growing up?

R534 Maybe her parents and siblings kidded about her being adopted because she was the unattractive oddball of the family, and she obviously didn’t get the joke.

Perhaps the saddest aspect of all this is that we’re now unlikely to get a decent archival package of her back catalogue - some companies had started doing really nice reissues of her albums but I imagine any further plans will have been iced. This is the tragedy here. Craft Recordings did a superb all-analog remaster of her Illuminations album for Record Store Day. That the world will be deprived of other such releases is cause for sorrow, nay despair.

Drats — I was looking forward to hearing the previously unreleased alternate mix of Fancy Dancer. Oh well.

Taste of ur dick I’m on a ride

Does this mean that when she dies, you can build a house on her grave without having to worry about getting cursed?

Please stop replying to this post so I no longer have to see this photo pop up on my feed when I go to to DL

You can block a thread, dear.

lol I actually didn't know this. Thanks, r541

He can also disable previews, r241. He's been told these things before. I think he just gets off complaining.

She was slathering on the self tanner years before it was chic!

R542 I literally didn’t know that

It's weird. Maybe in my mind. Now that I know she's faking it I can see the makeup caked on in her pictures that I didn't notice before.

The smoke signals coming from her house smell of garlic & tomato sauce

Bluffy Sainte-Marie!

LOL, Doom.

Morrissey likes this bitch for some odd reason.

Buffy deserves a break. I think she told a small lie that got out of control. So by the time she was signing with Vanguard, she was trapped - she might even have thought her contract hinged on her being indigenous and she wouldn’t become a star if she retracted. And clearly, she then dedicated her life to campaigning and advocating as a kind of penance/atonement.

Yeah, no, R551. Not even a good try.

R552 Yeah just a little out of control. Not bald faced fucking lying.

R551 Buffy's PR?

Even the real Indians (feather, not dot) are quiet about Buffy. Not a word since the documentary aired.

Nobody else is speaking out on her behalf.

She has ascended into the pantheon of Great American Grifters.

[quote]Buffy deserves a break. I think she told a small lie that got out of control. So by the time she was signing with Vanguard, she was trapped - she might even have thought her contract hinged on her being indigenous…

This reminds me of the Louis CK “This is how I talk” sketch on SNL.

R555 The line snakes 🐍 its way for thousands of miles

DOES THIS BULLSHIT EVER STOP????

R554, not true. The tribe who adopted Buffy have spoken out in her support. If they can forgive and understand then anyone else finding fault with Buffy is just indulging themselves in self-righteous posturing.

R559: Hardly...

If that's your idea of support, have at it.

She certainly.embraces the ghostly pale lip statement.

Who the fuck cares about this woman?

OP. Get a life.

Meanwhile, in Bizarro World

Bluffy has insinuated that she was born out of wedlock. “on the wrong side of the blanket,” meaning (I guess) that her mom was into native men on the side. but the white husband was clueless, which is why he’s named as the father on the birth certificate.

I'm almost done

I'm done

R546 I wasn't born yet so can't say with absolute certainty, but the chances of being knocked up by a Native American/Indigenous person in Wakefield, Massachusetts in 1941 were slim to none.

I eat old pretendians excrement.

She should take a test if her integrity comes down to it. This witch was caught and shame on her spreading her personality disorder

I hate this thread with that ugly ass in op pic UGLY bitch

She looks like one of those troll figurines sold at Norwegian souvenir shops.

Joni Mitchell credits Buffy for her career. She says she wouldn't have been "discovered" without Buffy recording her songs, playing Joni's homemade recordings for record executives, finding her a manager, and just pushing Joni's music wherever she could. So maybe that balances it out.

[quote]I hate this thread with that ugly ass in op pic UGLY bitch

You hate it so much that you've posted in it 18 times, r570. Do you do anything here other than troll? Try scrolling instead of trolling.

Poor Buffy. What a way to end your career.

R571

Bullseye ^^^^^

RIP Maelstrom

She also claims LBJ took the time to write radio stations, directing them not to play her music. That is how she explained a career slump. She is a serial fantasist/liar.

I think she got away with it for so long by focusing on her Native heritage fantasy instead of having many diverse fantasies and conflicting lies. Her biggest slip-up was early when she kept naming different Nations, but when she finally settled on one, the controversy faded away.

R573 it’s been in recent thread roll for weeks on end for no good reason. She’s ugly and I’m fucking tired of her! And you!

I keep telling you to block the thread or temporarily disable the previews, r579, but you seem to prefer to suffer and bitch about it.

Have fun with that.

There's only 20 more posts left in this thread. If someone makes a part 2, maybe you'll get lucky and they'll use a different photo.

Why not simply make it disappear, R579, by clicking on the eyeball symbol on the upper right hand side of this screen? Orange means you see it, black means you don't.

R581 it doesn’t work Einstein! Bitch is still there!

Not on your thread list on the right. By posting in the thread, it's going to follow you around.

If you mean the thread is still on DL, you're right.

If you're Muriel, you can make it disappear.

If not, you'll just have to suck it up and live with Buffy.

Maybe she meant call center Indian?

It's like the Babadook. The woman keeps throwing the book out, but it keeps returning to haunt her—like this thread to you.

Buffy is your Babadook. Uh-oh.

She should have picked a tribe that spoke French. Then the BBC would have totally ignored the story.

Stupid fuckers posting replies

Can’t she just take the Hilaria approach and pretend the whole expose never happened? Maybe she could give interviews in made-up native tongues to address the topic.

Part two, just for you, r587.

Stupid bitch!

Buffy

Cissy

Buffy Shein Marie

Nicole

Look who’s having the last laugh, bitches! Buffy wins the Emmy leaving her jealous haters eating dust. You can’t keep talent down.

Buffy's on the warpath now and admits to NOTHING!

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I’ve always believed it takes rain and sunshine to bring a rainbow. This great honour does indeed come after the rain – as I continue to absorb and process the recent attack on my character, life and legacy. It’s a deep wound to my inner child, but as an 82-year-old now, I’m strong – and these allegations do not shake me.

The attack on my character is full of mistakes and omissions. While I will not stoop to respond to every false allegation, I feel it is important to clarify two things.

First, the central proof used to question my identity is a story fabricated by my abuser and repeated by two members of my estranged family I don’t even know. This has been incredibly re-traumatizing for me and unfair to all involved. It hurts me deeply to discover that my estranged family grew up scared of me and thinking these lies because of a letter I sent intended to protect me from further abuse from my brother. I want to be clear, I do not blame them. They, of course, want to believe their father. I have evidence I was sexually abused by my brother, but I can’t tolerate discomforting his children even more. I wish them only the best and hope they move forward from this and find peace, as I am trying to do.

Being an “Indian” has little to do with sperm tracking and colonial record keeping: It has to do with community, culture, knowledge, teachings, who claims you, who you love, who loves you, and who’s your family.

Dot

or feather?

Casino

Or call center?

Enjoy this cringefest. I do thank her for the laughs. What an absurd embarrassment. #ImaREALindian