Israel Under Attack from Land and Air: Part 6

IDF Serves a Magnificat Burn on Hamas and the UN

The UN complains : Relief efforts in Gaza will be forced to stop unless fuel supplies reach the besieged territory, the main UN agency working in the strip has warned. Hospitals, bakeries and water pumps may also cease to function, compounding a humanitarian crisis that is worsening by the hour, the UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) said. “We need to find a solution to the fuel – otherwise our aid operation will come to a stop.”

The IDF replies: Problem solved

Interesting

I'm currently reading "Son on Hamas" written by Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of Hassan Yousef, one of the founding leaders of Hamas. He was his father's 1st born son and right-hand man. He was being groomed to eventually take his place, until he had a revelation about Hamas and about Islam (or a long series of revelations) when he was 18-19 and began secretly working with Israeli intelligence as a spy between 1997-2007. He literally risked EVERYTHING and ended up saving thousands of lives in the process by undermining countless suicide terrorist missions and turning over major terrorist cell safe houses in the West Bank.

This guy...I'll tell you, if there's one hope for a future peaceful, democratic Palestine, it's with Mosab Hassan Yousef as their leader. He's got to be the most courageous, balanced, self-realized, and spiritually/morally evolved humans I've ever encountered. If you want the REAL truth behind the nature of contemporary Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and how and why Hamas operates both as an individual entity and in their dynamics with Palestinians, Israel, the Middle East, and the West, from someone who was literally in the belly of the beast, you've gotta hear his story.

He's also stupid hot, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't want him in me QUITE deeply.

An even more fantastic YouTube interview I found (where he goes into far more detail about his experiences) is from an episode of The Jordan Harbinger Show —'Confronting The Son Of HAMAS’ Founder | Mosab Hassan Yousef: The Green Prince (Ep. 407)'

Well that's all interesting, R3, as is the fact that he seems to have been helped in his request for asylum by a leading anti-Netanyahu activist who was formerly Shin Bet.

Indeed, R4. He's by no means a Netanyahu fan—most Israelis (and in fact, Jews) are not. But he does think that Israel (as the only democratic nation in the ME with equal rights and religious protection for all its citizens) should be considered a model to its Arab neighbors. I just really dig how balanced his perspective is in most things. For instance, he left Islam and became a non-denominational Christian (I think it might have been Unitarian Universalist), but still considers himself anti-religious, and believes all religious fundamentalism to be harmful to humanity.

I really wish it wouldn't basically be a death-wish for him to return to Palestine post-Hamas to take on some kind of leadership role in government. He's exactly the voice of reason that could save Palestine from itself.

The last time there was a Muslim voice of reason

Part 5 is still going. Threads go up to 600. Did someone prematurely bajour?

Five was high jacked.

[quote] high jacked

YIKES

Jewish students at progressive Cooper Union university in NY lock themselves in room to escape pro-Palestinian mob

Actually, R10, that's not what happened, the Jewish students didn't lock themselves in a room. However, what did happened should not have. The blatant antisemitism by the pro-Hamas protest groups has to fucking stop! It is shocking that in a city that experienced the worst islamic jihad attack in the west in hundreds of years, mass murder really, fucking dumbass students are screaming support for a barbaric massacre against Jews committed by yet another fucking islamic terror group the makes no secret that they want to kill all Jews and spread the vile ideology of islam globally, by any means necessary.

The world has really become insane.

R11 people protesting in support of a free Palestine are not endorsing what happened on Oct 7th. Stop twisting things.

Hamas fans don't give a fuck about any "free" Palestine. Stop lying about that shit r12. Nobody believes you. And yes, plenty of people marching for Hamas controlled Palestine are 100% fine with what happened on Oct 7th. Stop lying about that shit as well.

Oh yes they are R12. Stop thinking everyone is as dumb as you. There were jubilant protests of support for the massacre even before the bodies of the dead Jews were cold. The paraglider poster said it all. Reprehensible doesn't even begin to describe that.

R13 / R14 I disagree. People are marching to support peace, to stop the apartheid and violence against the Palestinians by Israeli occupiers and also for peace for Israelis. Nobody is marching to support the murder of Israeli civilians.

Fwiw foaming at the mouth and misrepresenting the views and motivations of people that you disagree with won’t bring peace for Israelis either so maybe consider how you act moving forward. There are children dying that don’t need to be dying. Be more empathetic and quit with the lies.

I have been saying this to my fellow Jews these last few weeks: You need to be more comfortable with not feeling safe.

Yes, we had an amazing run the past 70ish years in the Western world living comfortably as our authentic selves. Now things are starting to ‘normalize’ to the way it used to be pre-WW2. The new generation thinks the holocaust was a myth and buy into the propaganda taught at the university level of how we are the ‘privileged, oppressor’ class. As more and more of the boomer generation retire out, there will be less strong voices opposing the even stronger ‘angry mobs’.

My advice: grow a thick skin, learn self defense, and don’t assume anyone whether non Jew or government is going to help you out.

Hamas is going to have to be destroyed before anybody can even think about peace in the area. That is going to require a difficult and bloody ground invasion, and it will not be pretty. Sadly, there is no good alternative. The alternative is really to just keep killing fairly random Palestinians and then eventually letting Hamas re-emerge as the government, such as it is, and awaiting the next big massacre.

The "peace" demonstrators, and yes absolutely many are Hamas supporters and useful idiots for terrorists, are fine with Hamas running the place and planning the next massacre. Israel knows it can't just be fine with that, and these delays are just going to lead to more bombing with little effect.

Are you worried, R7?

[quote] buy into the propaganda taught at the university level of how we are the ‘privileged, oppressor’ class.

If Israel was not oppressing Palestinians then they wouldn’t be described as such R16. And hopefully most people can distinguish between Zionism and Judaeism so that they can funnel their anger at Israel’s armed forces, settler action and representatives rather than your everyday Jewish person.

Tonight the United States carried out airstrikes against Iranian proxy groups in Syria.

Pentagon: President Biden ordered strikes on two facilities in Syria used by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and groups supported by Tehran. The United States will not tolerate attacks against Americans and will defend its interests.

R19 Someone in my building ripped my mezuzah off my door frame this morning and threw it on the ground. So no, I would say most people are NOT distinguishing as such.

R21 sorry that happened to you. But it doesn’t mean that people are generally marching and protesting for the safety and dignity of Palestinians and Israelis for that matter. Israel cannot keep killing Palestinian children as a way towards peace.

Israel is not "killing Palestinian children" as a way towards peace. It is now in a war with Hamas, a war that Hamas declared on October 7th in a very direct and brutal fashion, which of course included the killing of many children. That war will indeed lead to much more killing, but Hamas has said in effect that it is the only way. It has declared that it will kill as many Israelis as possible and will never stop until it is destroyed itself. It has no other goal at this point.

R23 people like you don’t see Palestinians as people which is why you don’t care that over 1000 children have been killed.

Everyone involved in this miserable conflict is a person. None of that changes the fact that Hamas has declared that the only way to stop it is to destroy it. It has declared a death penalty for itself, and there is no way to get to it except through Gaza.

Wait... I thought according to the Hamas Ministry of Goodwill & Transparency we were up to 16,000 dead children.

[quote]to stop the apartheid and violence against the Palestinians by Israeli occupiers

Difficult to see how to ensure the end of apartheid to all Palestinians under their own societal norms, r15.

Palestinians already appear to be a fundamentally apartheid society. Their entire female population are invisible. Palestinian women never appear in photos of the street, or in political demonstrations, or in funeral processions. Their participation in the Palestinian public sphere is stringently marginalized to nonexistent.

Such a regressive societal structure will not afford relief from apartheid for half of its population, regardless of Israeli intervention, or UN efforts, or other outside agencies.

R15, the noble Hamas supporting demonstrators have been absolutely jubilant over the massacre of civilian Jews.

R27, Palestinians were always said to be more secular than many other Muslim groups. Undoubtedly Hamas has tried to enforce stricter standards. That hardly means that the situation is irredeemable, or that the oppression of women justifies the opposition of the entire society.

I don't get why the radical left thinks it's OK for Hamas to vow to destroy Israel but somehow Israel, having been attacked by butchers and savages, is somehow required to tread lightly. It's regrettable, but it's that simple. Hamas struck first, Hamas will not stop, what would you have your government do if it was you? Or are you prepared to die for a wrongheaded idea?

R28 you’re talking about extremes. I have, for instance, seen a bunch of clips of Israelis mocking the deaths of Palestinians on social media. You can look at the Israeli beauty influencers doing bullet wound makeup and dressing up as Palestinians for instance. This doesn’t mean that the majority of Israelis or Jewish people want Palestinians dead. And it’s vice versa. Frankly it’s naive and stupid if you to give into extreme politics and apply it to entire groups. The express purpose of pro Palestine marches is for peace and dignity for Palestinians, hope that helps!

Wait, R32, you're saying these Israeli beauty influencers are doing videos that explicitly say "how to do your makeup like a dead Palestinian"? Because when I type in "bullet wound special effects makeup" into YouTube I get thousands of results from all over the world.

Also, these Palestinians aren't being killed by bullet wounds in the war. They're presumably being killed in air missile strikes, yeah? So if these beauty influencers were mocking their deaths, why would they be doing bullet wound SFX makeup? It's actually the Israelis who were murdered via bullet wounds.

Here you go R33.

Don’t worry it’s not just bulletwounds, they do residual bomb dust makeup and also dead babies! Cute of them non?

Asked if the military should immediately escalate to a large-scale ground offensive, 29% of Israelis agreed while 49% said "it would be better to wait" and 22% were undecided.

R35 So first of all, this is a bit suspicious because she has a very strong Arabic accent. That said, she's not actually making fun of actual victims. She's referencing "Pallywood" staged propaganda photos/videos.

R31, I don't get it either. Why does the left so blatantly ignore the gross violation of human rights in islamic countries, especially, womans, LGB, and intolerance for ethnic and religious minorities? Not only in the Middle East islamic countries but it happens in islamic African countries.

Furthermore, sub-Saharan Christians are being wiped out....and no cares, not even the lame pope. For example, over 100 school girls were abducted by muslims and all the pathetic West did was hold up stupid Post-It notes on FB, even the fucking First Lady was an embarrassment.

Here's a good example of why it's impossible to believe any death toll numbers that Hamas shares:

In 2002, during the Second Intifada, Israel tracked many attacks to the Jenin refugee camp. They went into the camp on April 2nd. By April 7th, Palestinians claimed over 500 people had been killed, in the following week, they raised that number to thousands.

CNN and BBC reported massacres, bodies being hidden, and more than 900 dead. Israel ended the operation on April 11th and Human Rights Groups and the UN went in. Those groups did a casualty assessment and counted 53 dead Palestinians, mostly militants, but some civilians. 23 Israeli soldiers were killed.

Notably, this was in the West Bank, which is why the numbers could be verified after the operation.

The Media spent weeks reporting that Israel had killed 1K Palestinians and committed massacres and more, but the reality was that 53 actually died and most of them were militants.

This was 20 years ago, and media outlets have learned nothing from that lesson. They continue to promulgate Hamas casualty claims, often mere minutes after they are reported, without doing any verification or warning viewers that these numbers are likely inflated.

The battle attracted widespread international attention due to allegations by Palestinians that a massacre had been committed. Reporters from various international media outlets quoted local residents who described houses being bulldozed with families still inside, helicopters firing indiscriminately into civilian areas, ambulances being prevented from reaching the wounded,[75] summary executions of Palestinians,[76] and stories of bodies being driven away in trucks or left in the sewers and bulldozed.[77] Saeb Erekat, a Palestinian cabinet minister, accused the Israelis of trying to cover up the killing of civilians.[78] The CNN correspondent noted that due to the IDF closure of the camp, there was "no way of confirming" the stories.[77] During and immediately after the battle, the United Nations and several human rights NGOs also expressed concern about the possibility of a massacre. A British forensic expert who was part of an Amnesty International team granted access to Jenin on April 18 said, "the evidence before us at the moment doesn't lead us to believe that the allegations are anything other than truthful and that therefore there are large numbers of civilian dead underneath these bulldozed and bombed ruins that we see."[46]

Israel denied charges of a massacre, and a lone April 9 report in the Israeli press stating Foreign Minister Shimon Peres privately referred to the battle as a "massacre"[79] was immediately followed by a statement from Peres expressing concern that "Palestinian propaganda is liable to accuse Israel that a 'massacre' took place in Jenin rather than a pitched battle against heavily armed terrorists."[80]

Subsequent investigations and reports by the United Nations, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Time magazine, and the BBC all concluded there was no massacre of civilians, with estimated death tolls of 46–55 people among reports by the IDF, the Jenin office of the United Nations, and the Jenin Hospital.[81] A team of four Palestinian-appointed investigators reporting to Fatah numbered total casualties of 56,[70] as disclosed by Kadoura Mousa Kadoura, the director of Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement for the northern West Bank.

The UN report to the Secretary General noted "Palestinians had claimed that between 400 and 500 people had been killed, fighters and civilians together. They had also claimed a number of summary executions and the transfer of corpses to an unknown place outside the city of Jenin. The number of Palestinian fatalities, on the basis of bodies recovered to date, in Jenin and the refugee camp in this military operation can be estimated at around 55."[82] While noting the number of civilian deaths might rise as rubble was cleared, the report continued, "nevertheless, the most recent estimates by UNRWA and ICRC show that the number of missing people is constantly declining as the IDF releases Palestinians from detention."[4] Human Rights Watch completed its report on Jenin in early May, stating "there was no massacre," but accusing the IDF of war crimes,[83] and Amnesty International's report concluded "No matter whose figures one accepts, "there was no massacre."[1] Amnesty's report specifically observed that "after the IDF temporarily withdrew from Jenin refugee camp on April 17, UNRWA set up teams to use the census lists to account for all the Palestinians (some 14,000) believed to be resident of the camp on April 3, 2002. Within five weeks all but one of the residents was accounted for."[84] A BBC report later noted, "Palestinian authorities made unsubstantiated claims of a wide-scale massacre,"[15] and a reporter for The Observer opined that what happened in Jenin was not a massacre.[85]

R37 yea sure she’s not making fun of them. She’s just referencing propaganda coincidentally.

Here’s another example for you below.

R41 Do you speak Hebrew?

r40 for decades some of us have seen how the general media consistently slants its reports against any anti-leftist group and particularly so with Israel. It's taken a while but the public seem to have finally caught on.

R43 Wait....are you actually attempting to put forth an argument that western media has been biased in favor of Israel?

If that was unclear to you I said the media is routinely biased against Israel for being against the leftist Palestinian cause.

Israel is heavily bombing Gaza right now.

^ Thanks, Rose.

[quote]Don’t worry it’s not just bulletwounds, they do residual bomb dust makeup and also dead babies! Cute of them non?

You speak Hebrew AND French r35?

Maybe you could provide some translation for context. How the fuck are we supposed to know what she's saying? And if she's incandescent with rage, she has a right to be.

And look on the bright side—at least she doesn’t have to do rape makeup or beheaded makeup.

R48 so you’re just gonna deny any example given to you to suit your own bias. Nice ;)

R49 It's NOT an example. Because she's NOT making fun of actual victims. She's making fun of the susceptibility of Westerners to Hamas propaganda, which Israelis (and all Jews) are understandably frustrated by.

The video was a response to the bogus hospital bombing claims by Hamas and the ridiculous photo "evidence" they attempted to sell to support it.

R45 The PLO cause is not a leftist one, it's actually a far-right Islamofascist agenda that intentionally uses buzzwords like "colonialism", "apartheid", and "genocide" in its propaganda because it modeled itself off the Algerian resistance of the French occupation (which doesn't remotely apply in this case because Jews are indigenous to the region) and because it knows Western leftist white saviors are incapable of grasping geopolitical frameworks outside of their own.

The Soviets noticed this in the 1960's and so their propaganda machines sprang into action and invented the term, “Palestinian” as distinct from Arab. This meant that the Jews were no longer an oppressed minority among the oppressive majority Arabs, but were themselves a majority oppressing the minority Palestinians. The Kremlin also forced Arafat to change his message from destroying Israel to freeing Palestine because they knew this would go down well in Western capitals. Yuri Andropov the head of the KGB launched operation SIG in the late 60s. It was an antisemitic, anti-Israel campaign aimed to demonize Israel and Jews. Everything you hear today in pro-Palestinian propaganda is textbook KGB. People are so misinformed on the matter it’s crazy… most don’t even know PLO was sponsored by the KGB and that Yasser Arafat was appointed to be head of the PLO by Moscow.

And who is she doing an impression of in the video R50? It’s a Palestinian woman whose child is dead. And what about the other woman too….just doing a satire of propaganda right? You gals are something else 😭

R49 Were you this upset by the video of hundreds of Palestinians cheering as they paraded a naked, bound, mutilated Jewish woman's dead body through the streets for them to poke at and spit on?

Who is the dummy at R19 who keeps popping in with the hot plates of fresh bullshit? I don’t know why people like that enrage me so. They usually don’t give two fucks about anything really and love make any cause about themselves. Most of the protestors don’t give a shit about anything except themselves - and they have sacrificed nothing. What gave you sacrificed for your beliefs R19? Useless pieces of shit the whole lot of them, I swear. I bet you this one was rolling in ashes on instagram six months ago for Masha Amini and now he’s rending his clothes for the very types of radicalized societies (Palestine) and the terrorist organizations they support (Hamas) that killed her in the first place.

I’ve never been in a fight in my life but I’d live to spit in this one’s face and pray it comes to blows. Such throbbing assholes they are.

R3 That was an excellent interview. I'm definitely buying his book. So many of the comments are recent (interview is 5 years old although it might have been posted more recently). People saying he predicted the future. The reality is that the Palestinians are "wash, rinse, repeat" so you don't need to be fortune teller to know what's happening next. He really speaks the truth.

R52 She's satirizing the video that went viral of the Palestinian man running into the hospital with his "fatally injured" infant that turned out to be a doll.

How does tearing down posters of kidnapping victims help Palestine?

[quote] the video that went viral of the Palestinian man running into the hospital with his "fatally injured" infant that turned out to be a doll.

That reminds me of the Palestinian funeral video of maybe 15 years ago. A large crowd in the street weeping and wailing as the pallbearers carried the flag covered martyr then suddenly there was some disturbance (gunfire I think) causing the mourners to quickly disperse and take cover. The pallbearers likewise dropped the dead man who hitting the pavement jumped to his feet and ran with the rest.

Spotted in Turkey....

R58 Yup! Here's the footage at 5:27...

Looks like things in Gaza have escalated greatly in the last few hours. Its very sad to hear the reports that chances of more hostage releases will be slim because of the big strikes taking place tonight. I feel really badly for the families who got their hopes up this week.

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Excellent find. Everyone should watch that video to see how long this manufactured misinformation has been tainting the world's news coverage

Here’s Israel’s official twitter account posting an image that they faked.

R63 Who in their right mind would assume that was meant to be "dried blood"? That is a child's finger painting project. You can see that very clearly. That looks just like the watercolor painting mess/work of art hanging on my refrigerator from my neice.

Mosab Hassan Yousef getting FIRED THE FUCK UP about pro-Hamas keyboard warriors/protesters. Basically telling them, "Fuck your 'free Palestine from Israel' chants/memes in your clueless, privileged, European/American streets—I AM A CHILD OF PALESTINE; a child born of the Hamas regime! What these children need is REAL education, REAL human rights, a REAL future! And they will never get that under Hamas or any other oppressive Muslim regime!"

Shiver. I should not be this turned on. But I am this turned on. This man has all the leadership gravitas of his evil father, minus the evil.

I loathe to have to share a Piers Morgan interview, but CNN refused to give him more than 5-minutes to share his thoughts the other night and never would have let him say these things on air.

The kapos (Jewish Voices for Peace) shut down Grand Central Terminal this evening. They are dumber than I thought.

Horrifying thread of Israeli war crimes for anyone still pretending Israel has any moral high ground.

I don't like to make this prediction but I feel strongly Iran, Lebanon and Syria are going to become involved.

[quote] I feel strongly Iran, Lebanon and Syria are going to become involved.

Horrifying Hamas war crimes for anyone still pretending Hamas has any moral high ground.

[quote]I don't like to make this prediction but I feel strongly Iran, Lebanon and Syria are going to become involved.

Have you been in a coma? They're already involved.

R66 the irony of that group closing down all the entrances to the LIRR on Shabbos.

As straight people LARP at being queers, white people are now pretending to be Jewish.

Synagogues are closing across London today because of the Palestinian marches

"even before the bodies of the dead Jews were cold." A dead body is a dead body no matter it was a Jew, Palestinian,black ,white, Latino, Asian, Etc r14. This genocidal view that somehow Jews are different than other humans is why this mess continues. And isn't religion supposed to be able brotherhood and loving our fellow humans instead of carpet bombing in the name of god? "Israeli ground troops, Hamas, genocide " should not even be terms/ names that come into the equation if you believe in a just, loving god. So can anyone tell me what modern Judaism/the state of Israel actually believe in?

Hopefully the term Hamas will be in the dust bin of history shortly and Israelis and Palestinians can both live free of that scourge on humanity.

It is really scary the level of antisemitism spreading across the globe (again) and how quickly “defending Palestine” turned into “Die-Jews” as if it has been boiling underneath the surface for a while. Kanye West was just a very vocal example of this most recent wave of ant-Jewish rhetoric. I am truly concerned for my Jewish brethren.

And don’t give me that shit about it not being antisemitic. It is. Maybe you’re just waking up to the fact that you’re actually an antisemite, and are not ready to admit it to yourself. But you are. Jewish blood was still draining from bodies and the FIRST thing you point to (on the same day) is Israel’s policies? People cry out to separate Palestine from Hamas. But 1400 Jews get killed for Israel’s policies and that gets a big ole, “whelp…” or “yes it’s a huge tragedy, BUT…”

I live in Europe now and it’s very easy to see how Jews have been persecuted for over a thousand years. They are always the scapegoats for the world’s problems. The Jewish Ghetto’s where in the Middle Ages, Jews were locked in over night, still exist. The very same ghettos Hitler rounded them up from 400 years later.

I remember my partner being incensed and moved to tears when Travis Scott invited Kanye West up on stage at his Circus Maximus show in Rome, just literally right next to the Jewish Ghetto where 1300 Jews were rounded up 80 years ago and sent off to concentration camps. Only 12 came back. It’s as if one of the biggest human tragedies that we vowed never to forget, we are willfully allowing ourselves to forget.

And it’s not just about Jewish people. The Holocaust is the western world’s representation of humanity transgressing to the deepest, darkest parts of itself. And it seems we are headed in that direction again. We refuse to learn.

[quote]And isn't religion supposed to be able brotherhood and loving our fellow humans instead of carpet bombing in the name of god? "Israeli ground troops, Hamas, genocide " should not even be terms/ names that come into the equation if you believe in a just, loving god.

R75 must not have ever read the Bible. The entire nation of Israel was established on genocide - God giving Jews the permission to wipe every man, woman and child out of an area and take their land. And we all know Jews don’t fux with no New Testament God.

And that’s ancient history yet Israel is dealing with an enemy who still believes in savagery of the highest order in the name of God - still lopping off heads and burning human beings alive in 2023. Murder is one thing. Torturing to death is on the next level. Getting personal and religious satisfaction from it is pure evil.

Yep R77 - the Jew hate never went away in Europe where it was always acceptable on the far right and far left but is now bleeding back in to the rest of the horseshoe.

the UK's electoral commission received a new application for a political party two weeks ago called Party Of Islam (Freedom Is A Must)

R79 I didn’t quite say that. At least in Italy it’s the opposite. It might not have gone away, but Italians are much more wary of anti-Jewish rhetoric, the dangers of casually using it, since they were ground zero for history’s last mega round for it. It’s personal and they take it very seriously. You will not find much support for any kind of Muslim brotherhood, Palestinian alliance here.

But r79 you are right about the rest of the world

For a space that’s usually pointless bitchery, DL has become a comforting breath of fresh air re: this conflict. It’s a bit scary to be a Jewish person right now. I’m on edge. Maybe that’s overreacting and whining, sure. It’s just a weird time. The level of propaganda and noise is unnerving.

I appreciate you all. If you’re anti-Israel, I appreciate you for keeping it respectful and thoughtful. There is a level of maturity and knowledge here that I’m not seeing in other forums.

R82 are you serious? Every 5th or so commenter refers to Palestinians as animals.

Liar R83. Some commentators have referred to Hamas as animals on account of the brutality of the rape, torture, mutilation and murder of Israelis.

Stop shilling for Hamas

That is a lie R83. I went back through part 5, the word animal never appears once. The only person to use the word animal in part 6 is you - well, and now me.

R78, so was Islam. The peaceful prophet was a genocidal, mass murdering, enslaving child rapist. There is a lot of violence in the Old Testament but is historic. There is a lot of violence in the koran but, frighteningly, it is directive, hence all the islamic violence perpetuated to this starting with mohammade. Hence muslims praise their god as the hack infidels to death.

From the BBC

Lalah Ali Faten, from Manchester, has been relying on daily WhatsApp messages from her daughter Zaynab, who’s in Gaza.

The texts - however brief - had been providing some reassurance.

“She's never experienced anything like this before,” Lalah told me earlier this week. “She is quite distressed. But she’s putting on a brave face, especially when she speaks to us and sends us messages.”

But since we spoke, Israel launched its intense overnight bombardment of the Gaza Strip on Friday, and all communication lines - including mobile phone services and internet - went down.

Today, Lalah is constantly checking her phone. She's still not heard from Zaynab, who is sheltering near Rafah, close to the Egyptian border, with her husband. They had travelled to Gaza for a family wedding, arriving just two days before the war broke out. The wedding never happened.

A concentration camp allows British citizens to visit for weddings? Who knew!

R77, I have been shocked by the level of anti-semitism globally, but especially in the US and NYC where I live. It is mainly the pro-Hamas protests that have shocked me. These kids are so fucking indoctrinated and totallt ignorant of Jewish, islamic and human history.

I'm watching Al Jazeera right now (28/10).. They are warning how Gaza is critically low on food, water and supplies. Same as reported since 7/10. Is this the same situation where the Jews had enough oil for only 1 day, but it lasted 8 days and Jesus feeding the multitude? It's a modern miracle.

No fuel for the hospitals, but fuel for rockets to fire into Israel.

CEASEFIRE NOW

[quote] It is mainly the pro-Hamas protests that have shocked me.

There are no pro Hamas protests dickhead.

[quote]I'm watching Al Jazeera right now (28/10).. They are warning how Gaza is critically low on food, water and supplies. Same as reported since 7/10.

When Israel started moving into Gaza yesterday, CNN reported that "we're getting reports of widespread power outages in Gaza." Which shocked the hell out of me, since the media has been saying that Israel shut off power to the region the day after the terror attack.

[quote] It is mainly the pro-Hamas protests that have shocked me.

Yes, and it’s exactly the same as if people gathered to support the 9/11 hijackers and bin Laden immediately after 9/11. It is incredible.

James Longman is angry that a notorious Holocaust denier has taken a clip from one of his interviews with an Israeli family and accused a girl of laughing as a man describes watching the murder of his family.

I'm sure there are some Israelis/Jews that cheer when a missile strikes Gaza, but those would be rare exceptions. Arabs cheering at Israeli deaths is more the rule. That isn't because Arabs are evil, but rather a difference in culture and what is considered acceptable behavior. Islam also helps to form this cultural difference, but is not the total reason.

R91, was there even one anti-hamas placard at any of these post-pogrom celebrations anywhere in the world? Any "palestine will be free....of hamas" demonstrations?

R96 I’ve yet to see a single pro Israeli voice or protestor that is critical of the IDF murdering Palestinians in their thousands. Why is it only expected of one side?

R97 thinks the US should have turned the other cheek after Pearl Harbor

R98 you Americans can only understand world events through a U.S. lens lol.

The IDF is responding to an incursion and massacre of Jewish civilians on Israeli soil. They have every right to do so. Genocide of the Jews is in the Hamas charter. Directives to murder Jews is in the fucking koran. Mohammade himself ordered and participated in a pogrom, ultimately beheading 600 Jewish men in front of their wives and children, who were then taken into slavery. No connections at all.

God, it's getting so tedious talking to indoctrinated, uneducated imbeciles.

I'm British R99.

To use a British analogy, the British should have said "it's ok we won't react" when the Nazis unleashed the Luftwaffe on London and Coventry.

R97 You hear many Pro Israeli voices speaking out against Netanyahu which has been ongoing for years (if you've been listening at all). The IDF is protecting the Israeli citizens which is what they are supposed to do.

R100 was for R96. Also R96, you've heard nothing of those fools, Jewish Voice for Peace? They protested in the US capitol last week and shut down Grand Central Terminal Friday evening. There are also other dovish Jewish groups. As usual, the ummah remained fucking silent in yet another massacre of infidels because jihad is forever.

- R97

Hamas are responding to apartheid against Palestinians and decades of indignity imposed against them. They have every right to do so. Genocide of Palestinians is happening right now in Gaza. Directives to murder Palestinians civilians including children are actually happening now.

[quote] God, it's getting so tedious talking to indoctrinated, uneducated imbeciles.

Likewise babe.

R101 had the British been holding the Germans in apartheid for decades leading up to that?

[quote] The IDF is protecting the Israeli citizens which is what they are supposed to do.

lol. The IDF are not protecting Israelis, they’re murdering Palestinians and thereby creating conditions where Hamas are going to fight back. Violence does not beget peace.

We actually have someone on Datalounge who supports the torture, mutilation, rape and burning alive of children because of the country they were born in.

Learn about the islamic conquest you fool, R104. Islam, muslims and arabs are not indigenous to the Holy Land, North Africa or anywhere in the world. Learn about the history of Jews in muslim countries or how Jews have been trying to find a way of living peacefully with their muslim neighbors for almost 100 years but have only been almost fatally attacked three times. Israelis know what the west is finding out, Islam is a religion of hate, intolerance, and violence.

R104, if they were simply "responding to apartheid," painting swastikas on their paragliders, and killing babies wasn't a good way to gain sympathy for their cause. At least among the sane.

I am not in favor of killing civilians on either side, but Hamas needs to be destroyed. Since they position themselves under schools and hospitals to use their citizens as human shields, and divert resources away from the Palestinian citizens for their own use, I don't know what the options are.

Hamas is a threat to Israel, and to the Palestinians themselves.

R108, Hamas can’t be destroyed. It’s not a unique organization; there must be at least several other groups with the same ideology who could step immediately step into the vacuum if its leadership was destroyed.

The real point of the invasion is to restore the IDF’s reputation and to demonstrate Israel’s ability to deter further attacks. I don’t know if the second goal is possible. In 2014, Israel invaded Gaza intending to root out Hamas; that didn’t work.

I agree, R109, hamas cannot be destroyed, the rot lies in islam itself and always has.

And is is of course very easy to criticize the increasing levels of settler violence on the West Bank and demand Israel take action to protect Palestinians there and think Hamas need to be destroyed not just for being a genocidal anti Jewish dealt cult but because they have stockpiled food, water, fuel, medical supplies and billions of dollars away from the general population of Gaza.

Kill an infidel, go directly to islamic paradise. It doesn't get more fucked up, almost demonic, than that.

[quote] It is really scary the level of antisemitism spreading across the globe (again) and how quickly “defending Palestine” turned into “Die-Jews”

It's unsurprising. Western academia has invested the last several generations indoctrinating students to hate Israel and by extension all Jews.

𝐍𝐞𝐰𝐥𝐲 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐍𝐘𝐂 𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐢𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐡𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐬: '𝐅𝐑𝐎𝐌 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐑𝐈𝐕𝐄𝐑 𝐓𝐎 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐒𝐄𝐀'

The newly appointed chair of New York City's Commission on Racial Equity (CORE) has an alarming history of sharing antisemitic on social media, according to a new report.

Linda Tigani, who entered the role on Thursday, has consistently shared posts on X that include the phrase "from the river to the sea," a widespread call used by Hamas militants and anti-Israel activists to express their disdain for the Jewish state, the New York Post first reported Saturday.

"FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA! PALESTINE WILL BE FREE!!" Tigani wrote in a July 2020 post, which included a clip from the "Day of Rage" rally in Brooklyn.

Demonstrators who took part in the "Day of Rage" reportedly chanted "'Death to Israel' and ‘Death to America’ in Arabic in response to Israel announcing plans to annex parts of the West Bank."

Tigani's Facebook banner image currently shows the Palestinian flag and says "Free Gaza!!!"

Tigani has not shared publicly her thoughts about the Oct. 7 Hamas massacre of hundreds of Israelis, according to the Post.

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𝐁𝐫𝐨𝐚𝐝𝐰𝐚𝐲 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐝𝐮𝐜𝐞𝐫 𝐂𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐑𝐢𝐩𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐃𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐉𝐞𝐰𝐢𝐬𝐡 𝐇𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐏𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬

Broadway theater producer is the latest New Yorker to be caught on film brazenly tearing down fliers of civilians in Israel kidnapped by Hamas terrorists, The Post has learned.

In a video shared online by neighborhood blog I Love the Upper West Side, James L. Simon, who co-produced the 2022 Broadway revival of Arthur Miller’s “Death of a Salesman,” is seen at West 62nd Street and Broadway using scissors to remove a poster featuring one of the roughly 200 hostages taken by Hamas during its Oct. 7 surprise attack on Israel.

The stone-faced Simon then crumpled up the flier, which had been taped to a traffic sensor box in the heavily Jewish neighborhood, before chucking it into a garbage can and silently walking off, the footage showed.

“You’re going to a dark and devious place if you’ve come to a place where you’re ripping posters off the wall of Israeli hostages, of innocent people held captive by terrorists,” former Broadway producer Adam Epstein, who hosts the podcast Dirty Moderate, told The Post.

Simon, who has also produced Broadway revivals of “Pippin” and “Bells Are Ringing,” told The Post he took down the fliers for the purpose of keeping the city’s streets clean, not for antisemitic reasons, and apologized for offending anyone.

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𝐏𝐫𝐨-𝐏𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐞 “𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐁𝐫𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐥𝐲𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐆𝐚𝐳𝐚” 𝐏𝐫𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐬𝐭

Crowd gathers in Crown Heights for pro-Palestine rally blocks away from major Jewish festival

1,500 through 1,800 cops will be stationed along the protest route.

Protesters barked and jeered at a man wearing a yarmulke who was standing on the sidelines of the march waving Israeli and American flags amid a flurry of Palestinian flags.

“Israel, democracy,” the man shouted, as a pro-Palestinian demonstrator approached him to slap a sticker on his chest that read “Zionism is Genocide.”

[quote]Directives to murder Palestinians civilians including children are actually happening now.

Somebody's been watching TikTok!

R106 I actually don't think R104 has ever been to the Middle East. Perhaps some place like Dubai for 2 or 3 days, but probably not. The rhetoric he spews just doesn't seem like someone with any actual direct contact with any of the cultures there. Of course, that's just my opinion and I don't know him.

Judenfrei San Fran style

A Scottish Nationalist member of Parliament is shouted downby Scottish Muslims for condemning Israeli deaths.

The Scottish First Minister is only doing interviews about Gaza right now

How bizarre that the Scottish First Minister would be some guy named Humza Yousaf.

R117 "FREE PALESTIEN" They can't even spell it. Typical informed activists!!

Bravo to the guy @ R118. The only people interested in genocide are muslims. They want every Jew dead.

"FREE PALESTEINOWITZ!"

omfg, r117

What worries me is the young age of the average Palestinian. People who are children/youth now will grow up with nothing but hate in their hearts and minds. It's been that way for generations of course, but their numbers in the future will be a force.

[quote] People who are children/youth now will grow up with nothing but hate in their hearts and minds.

The UN has been funding the Palestinian schools and other brainwashing the kids to hate from infancy. My favorite example is the kids version of Mickey Mouse being tortured and murdered by Israelis.

They never had a chance.

Great, R125. There'll be even more hateful bigots in the future than there are now.

I have no idea how to counteract this, but it seems like things will get worse instead of better.

[quote]What worries me is the young age of the average Palestinian. People who are children/youth now will grow up with nothing but hate in their hearts and minds. It's been that way for generations of course, but their numbers in the future will be a force.

Young Israelis growing up witnessing the atrocities committed by the Palestinians against the Jews will also be a force. If they want to avoid the Palestinians' promise to commit genocide against Israel, the Israeli force will need to be the stronger one.

[quote] Israel Under Attack from Land and Air: Part 6

1939: Germany assaulted by Poland, is forced to defend itself

[quote]Germany assaulted by Poland, is forced to defend itself

Yes, that exactly the kind of statement that the pro-Palestinian people have been using to try to justify Palestinian terrorism against Israel.

R128, not that you care, but nearly 3 million Polish Jews - or 9 out of 10 - were killed. Not by military bombing, but by direct, intentional cold blooded murder. To compare the Gazan war in any way to the Holocaust says something about your character.

Oh we can’t bring up the Holocaust anymore r130. Didn’t you get the memo from the free Palestine movement? It’s irrelevant and just Jews being victims as usual. The only way we are allowed to reference the Holocaust is if we say because of the Holocaust, Jews should understand that a similar genocide is happening in Gaza.

R131 We're also supposed to believe that the Jews of Israel are all white Ashkenazi Jews from Germany and Poland and that they are oppressing the "brown" Arabs. That's the popular far left narrative we are supposed to believe even though it isn't true. Most of the Israeli Jews today are just as "brown" as the Arabs (many are darker than Palestinians) and they are descendants of the Jews expelled from the Muslim/Arab countries. Due to their higher birth rate, they overtook the Ashkenazi population. Most Jews in Israel are of Mizrahi and Sephardic descent plus the Jews from Ethiopia who would be considered Black. The "white" ones are the minority.

PDF Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries Source: European Parliament

Apologies for NYPost link.

Who said no one was celebrating Hamas during protests? Hmmm?

Oh, really R91? See R133. He beat me to it. Who's the dickhead, R91?

The pro Palestinian protesters are animals. We're seeing true colors now aren't we? It's really opening my eyes to some of my fellow NYers. Disgusting.

[quote] Apologies for NYPost link.

Never apologize to the bullies and stalkers for relaying actual news such as that.

Gaza live cam. Large explosions and flashes just over the camera's horizon.

I was just watching that on one of the streaming news services R137. I wonder what the flashing lights are on the two tall towers on the right of the scene? Anybody know?

One of the women at a march today was carrying a sign saying, "Queer Jews for Palestine". Funny, I haven't seen any Palestinians carrying "Palestinians for Queers" signs anywhere.

Haniyeh, safe in Qatar, says they need the blood of women, children and the elderly to awaken their revolutionary spirit.

Watching the footage, R137. This really feels like the end of the world...

[quote] Watching the footage, [R137]. This really feels like the end of the world...

It's just a light dusting compared to a REAL bombing campaign

r142 I've been thinking about that quote from Bomber Harris since Hamas invaded Israel earlier this month

[quote] The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else and nobody was going to bomb them.

[quote] At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naive theory into operation.

[quote] They sowed the wind and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.

[quote] Cologne, Lubeck, Rostock—Those are only just the beginning.

It's honestly one of the most coldly awe inspiring speeches of ww2

HOMOS FOR HAMAS!

There are so many delusional fools about, I'm expecting to see this placard at the pro-hamas demonstrations, though not in islamic countries, of course.

R145 I remember the protests when a statue of Arthur "Bomber" Harris was unveiled in the early 1990s, when I was a contrarian teenager.

Of course you shouldn't celebrate someone who was responsible for so many deaths.

Then I grew up and realised the bombing had helped end the war. Yes innocent civilians were killed but more lives were saved.

R144 agree. When I saw the “gays for Gaza” posters popping up I was surprised….

Here you go, R144/r146.

Datalounger filmed defacing Israeli hostage posters

Link at r147 is worth a listen. The sermon—a rant—to a packed congregation Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem:

[quote]Our Muslim Palestinian people will not accept a single homosexual openly declaring his abomination.

[quote]Will you allow a single homosexual on the land of Jerusalem and Palestine? No.

[quote]Our people will not allow there to be institutions that promote this abomination on the blessed and pure land of Palestine.

July 2022.

Do “Queers for Palestine” or “Gays for Gaza” know of these sermons, and if so, what? Just a shrug? What the fucking fuck.

“Oh well”? The closet or death is an acceptable price to pay for Palestinian gays, whom we consider to be lesser? The closet or death, is ok for them, they’re just Arabs, is that the thinking of “queers for Palestine”?

The stories about the Hamas attack keep coming.

One young woman was captured at the music festival, Hamas filmed her being gang raped and then murdered on her own phone in front of her boyfriend and then sent the video to her family.

Link?

The "Queers for Palestine" shit is one of the most retarded things to come out of this whole thing.

Hamas would behead them all in seconds.

Anyone recognise this sister from Miami? I wish there was more footage, I imagine he became quite the bossy bottom when the guy recording wouldn't stop filming.

Fucking hell.

[quote] A Palestinian scholar from the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem sends a message to the “Queers for Palestine-crowd” in the West: “The people of Palestine will not allow a single homosexual in our land," such perversion brings the wrath of Allah”

Anybody who had even a casual familiarity with the Koran would have seen that coming. I suppose “Queers for Palestine" were too busy instead studying Pronouns and Race Theory.

Apartheid, Genocide.. These people need to give it arrest. There is NO GENOCIDE of Palestinians going on at all. There are Palestinians who live and work in Israel. If an actual GENOCIDE was going on, don't you think Israel would have started to with the Palestinians in Israel? Wouldn't Isreal be attacking the entire Palestinian area? Why is this lame brain keep bringing up this talking point? It's crazy how the left became just as lock-step as FOX News sheep.

AND it is never mentioned, but on OCT 7th there were Palestinian families in Israel slaughtered by Hamas. They killed and tortued their own people unknowingly. There was a list of about 10-15 Palestinian women and children, families murdered. If there is a Genocide going on in Palestine it is happening at the Hamas and the strangled hold they have over the Palestinians and their resources and using them as human shields.

Zelensky has been very quick to comment on the attempted Pogrom in Dagestan at R154.

^ and this was for the dude at R104 so he can get the message. Why do you keep saying Genoicde? Do you know what a Genocide is? How does that apply here? People dying in battle is not a Genocide. And I would love to see your source as to this "Directive" of the IDF's to kill woman and children.

[quote]Apartheid, Genocide.. These people need to give it arrest. There is NO GENOCIDE of Palestinians going on at all. There are Palestinians who live and work in Israel. If an actual GENOCIDE was going on, don't you think Israel would have started to with the Palestinians in Israel? Wouldn't Isreal be attacking the entire Palestinian area? Why is this lame brain keep bringing up this talking point? It's crazy how the left became just as lock-step as FOX News sheep.

Genocidal apartheid is what happens when you don't let men compete in women's sports, not the mass slaughter of civilians followed by military action against the perpetrators.

I am not sure what R159 is saying. But I am just tired of these Pro-Palestinians using trigger words like Apartheid and Genocide when they don't even pertain to this situation at all - like everyone is dumb and they would know the difference and just accept their evaluation at face value.

R158 Like I've said in one of these trends, the Israelis must be the most incompetent at genocide ever. Look at the populations and age demographic in Gaza and the West Bank. It's like someone put fertility drugs in the water. Definitely not genocide by the historic definition. People like to change the definitions of things though. Soon up will be down, gay will be be straight and male will be female (scratch the last one).

Fucked around and found out!

Apologies R160, i was referring to the use of "genocide" in the linked article.

And yes, apartheid is misused as well.

Has anyone done a gay porn serious for Palestine like they did for Istanbul? You know there are specific instructions in the Qou'ran on how to clean your asshole by spreading your cheeks so you can be pure in the face of god? I know some of those soapy fingers have found some pleasure spots. They know what's up.

[quote] I am just tired of these Pro-Palestinians using trigger words like Apartheid and Genocide when they don't even pertain to this situation at all

They've been getting away with it since the end of WW2.

Wow! Good for Zelensky

We need a GENMellennialcide. They are the touchiest, most feely, easily lead, ineffectual generation to come down the pipeline in years. All mouth and no ears. Gen Z are a bunch of hopped-up sociopaths. I am starting to wish I was older so I could be dead sooner without having to off myself.

When I see photos and videos of crowds protesting now for Palestine, I wonder how many were cheering for Palestine after theOctober 7 attacks.

Personally I can never be in support of an Islamic Fundamentalist nation or people because of the hatred for the rest of the world they represent - especially against another Democracy. It just makes absolutely no sense. People are acting as if Palestinians are just down on their luck goat herders longing for peace. I would love to see what would happen to half of these protestors if they were in Palestine or Iran now, what their lives would look like.

Antisemitic students at the University of Washington gathered last week to protest the existence of Israel as the ongoing war between Israel and Palestinian terrorists intensifies.

One student leader at the protest, which was promoted by the group Students United for Palestinian Equality and Return, told the crowd that, even in the face of pro-Israel counter protestors, they should attempt to remain composed.

She told students that although '𝑤𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝐼𝑠𝑟𝑎𝑒𝑙 𝑡𝑜 𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑠𝑡' 𝑎𝑛𝑑 '𝑤𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑍𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑠𝑡,' the group should focus on 'deescalating' tension between on-campus groups with opposing values.

Instead, she said, 'we can choose to focus on our demands.'

The group's demands include: wanting 'UW to cut ties with weapons companies. UW to condemn the attacks against Palestinian students,' and 'UW to cut ties with Israel and to end the siege on Gaza now.'

The protest comes as the administration at the Seattle-based college has not released a statement in support of its Jewish students since the early days of the conflict.

The Students United for Palestinian Equality and Return group has previously expressed support for the Palestinian terrorist Hamas, whom they refer to as 'Palestinian resistance fighters' conducting their 'largest operation against the occupier since the last October War 50 years prior.

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The fat chick's jeans won't exist for long either

R147, thanks for sharing that. So many people have no idea how vile the koran is in its many directives to hate and kill non-muslims and especially Jews, all ordered and rewarded by the islamic god and following the example of mo'hammade who massacred, raped women and children, lied, stole, enslaved.

MEMRI is an organization of Arabic and other language speakers whose mission is to educate the world about what is being preached by imams and Muslim politicians. It is all fucking frightening.

There was a protest outside McDonald in Birmingham UK (not Birmingham Alabama) today on account of McDonalds in Israel giving food to armed forces.

There were also stories about McDonalds introducing blue packaging in support of Israel that angered some people.

This is not simply a war between two groups. This is a war between modernity and barbarity.

Amazed how people keep finding ways to make the rainbow flag uglier and uglier. This things like a Vexillologists worst nightmare.

Yes R173

People hate Israel because it’s a prosperous Liberal democracy and not an oppressive theocracy like its neighbours

R174: Israel's retweet event better:

By the way R132, I have a Palestinian coworker who doesn’t even really look Arab. He looks like a white guy and if I didn’t know him or know his name I’d think he was of European descent. So yeah, this white vs brown narrative is ignorant to say the least.

You can't destroy Hamas, because Palestinian kids grow up to JOIN Hamas...it's endemic to the population, and the tactics they employ are endemic to the barbarism of Islam. I reject arguments that treat them as a separate entity. They are not. You cannot root them out. And Palestinians are united in their desire for the destruction of Israel. This is why I have zero sympathy for them.

Last I heard a bunch of Hamas terrorists have set up a strategic outpost under a hospital in Gaza like the fucking cowards they are. No confirmation/proof yet but not at all difficult to believe. I'd be surprised if it wasn't true actually.

They worship death above all else.

Go to 51:33 and let it roll.

Estimate of over 300 miles of tunnels, barracks, and warehouses dug under Gaza. That's where the "humanitarian aid" to Gaza went.

Holy fuck.

Dagestan genius looking inside a jet engine for hidden Jews

I’ve never imagined that I would be so disgusted and repulsed of the so called “gay community “ after the whole trans and queer take over happened in the last few years and the whole lgbtq+nqtjyfvcxzwq- binary soup nonsense started. How the hell do these freaks of nature think that they are entitled to talk on behalf of myself and other same sex oriented men and women to make pro palestine statements and anti israel comments on behakf the do called lgbt+ queer community? They do not represent me, nor their political and mostly far left civil rights organizations whose only purpose is to destroy everything that normal gays and lesbians have accomplished by inciting hate towards us with their outrageous behavior and political statements.

Im cuban, neither a jew nor an arab, and I support 100% Israel and jews . Everytime I see the gay flag being used in pro palestinian rallies my blood boils, they have no right to speak on behalf of their so called queer community which I now forced to belong to apparently.

Stop donating money to all these “queer” organizations, they stopped representing gays and lesbians a long time ago. Now it seems like they want to force maintream gays to be associated with groups that support terrorist organizations and far left groups like marxists, socialists and communists. Disgusting.

Israel have all the right in the world to defend itself. the spaniards after seven centuries of occupation by these arabs rightly kicked out of the iberia peninsula. Israel has to do the same to these arab settlers regardless of how long they’ve been living in Palestine and send them back to the arabian peninsula were they came out.

I was surprised there's even flights from Israel to a random Muslim province in Southern Russia but apparently there's about 300 Jewish families in Dagestan. Probably as the result of some of Imperial Russian or Soviet deportation. I Imagine that's another Jewish community that's about to leave forever and go to Israel if this is the local mood right now

This should explain everything.

The majority of Dagestanis are Sunni Muslims.

83% of the population of Dagestan adheres to Islam, 2.4% to the Russian Orthodox Church

During the Islamic conquests, the Dagestani people (region of Derbent) were the first people to become Muslims within current Russian territory, after the Arab conquest of the region in 643

R173, this is a war between civilization and barbarity. Stupidly the west has let our politicians let the barbarians through the gates. Westerners have better educate themselves, wake the fuck up and fight back.

Multiracial societies can work, multicultural societies cannot.

R185 here, I should add the war against Israel and Jews is just the beginning and a proxy war We must stand with them for a lot of reasons but especially because they are taking the brunt of the fight at this time and have been for decades.

There's this great YouTube channel dedicated to the 'Ask Project', which is basically this Israeli researcher who's gone all around Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza for the last 8-10 years surveying random Israeli and Palestinian civilians on their various opinions concerning the I/P conflict.

In this video, he asks a number of Palestinians whether or not they want to expel all the Jews from Israel. Only one answers no because everyone deserves to live on the land in peace, but he is a Christian Palestinian, and one answers in favor of a 2-state solution. All the rest are emphatically in favor of expulsion or death of the Jews.

And here's one where he asks Palestinians what they think of suicide bombings. The answers....are disturbing, to say the least.

𝐓𝐰𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐦𝐞𝐧 𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐡 𝐨𝐧 𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥

A House Democrat called his own colleague a “COWARD” and a “PUNK” for criticizing other House Democrats for voting against a resolution supporting Israel.

In comments played on CNN Sunday, Rep. Andre Carson (D-IN) fired back at Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ) — who blasted the nine House Democrats who voted against the resolution, and the six who voted present.

“Last night, 15 of my Democratic colleagues voted AGAINST standing with our ally Israel and condemning Hamas terrorists who brutally murdered, raped, and kidnapped babies, children, men, women, and elderly, including Americans,” Gottheimer wrote on X, the platform previously known as Twitter. “They are despicable and do not speak for our party.”

Carson, who was among the 15, absolutely destroyed Gottheimer in response.

“I think he’s not acting in the role as a member of Congress,” Carson sao. I think he’s shown himself to be very emotional. Like most cowardly people, when you confront them, they’re afraid. I’m unafraid of the guy. And if he wants to call us despicable, I’m saying he’s a coward and he’s a punk.”

And the Indiana congressman went even further.

“He should remember why the people sent him here,” Carson said. “And if he wants to play some kind of tough guy or gangster, we can handle it like gentlemen, or we can get into something else.”

Gottheimer responded in a statement to CNN.

“I’ll sit down with Mr. Carson anytime to talk about how we can bring the hostages home, including all Americans, provide immediate humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians being used as human shields, and crush Hamas and all terrorists seeking to do us harm.”

And now here's one where he asks Israelis how much they hate Palestinians.

See if you can determine which of the two cultures is the one standing in the way of peaceful negotiations.

𝐂𝐇𝐈𝐂𝐀𝐆𝐎 - 𝐏𝐫𝐨-𝐇𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐬 𝐦𝐨𝐛 𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐏𝐚𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐟𝐥𝐚𝐠𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞𝐚𝐭 𝐮𝐩 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐇𝐞𝐛𝐫𝐞𝐰𝐬

Black Hebrew Israelites and pro-Hamas Palestinians duked it out in the streets of Chicago this weekend.

Video captured by Yeshiva World News showed pro-Hamas protesters using their Palestinian flag poles as weapons as both sides fought in the roadway Sunday:

The wooden pole snapped in the process. Both sides lobbed bottles and sticks at each other while Chicago police struggled to keep them apart.

That was the story on Saturday, as well, when police failed to do so, resulting in tense times along Michigan Avenue.

The Black Israelites appeared to be outnumbered, but that didn’t deter them from wanting to get a piece of the Palestinians:

I might hang an Israeli flag in my window to show my support to my Jewish neighbors and passerby.

Apparently the nonbinary GenZ Jihad Instahoes have decided that I'm a Republican for not calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.

[quote]Black Hebrew Israelites and pro-Hamas Palestinians duked it out in the streets of Chicago this weekend.

I wish them both great success.

That's very generous of you, R193, but please be prepared for the possibility that your window may be smashed in. I would like to challenge these pro-Ham antisemitism deniers to try wearing a kippah and/or Magen David necklace out and about in their cities and to work for a full week and see what kind of treatment they get.

Are you Jewish R196?

In case some of you Zionists missed the memo - you’re not allowed to bring up the homophobia (or the treatment of women) in Palestine. Because it is completely irrelevant to the Gaza genocide and the homophobia is “just as bad” in the US - so how dare you even bring it up?

I kid you not - I have read that over and over again on social media. People saying the US is just as homophobic as Palestine.

I feel like w I’m drowning in cognitive dissonance. It is madness.

R198: these idiots are getting their complete Israel/Gaza coverage from Instagram and Tiktok, which is how they wind up with such aggressively stupid opinions.

I've read the same, R198. There were a couple of Gen Z Canadians calling out Canada for only legalizing same sex marriage in 2005, saying Canada is no better than your average Arab state (including Gaza).

These tit mice. The average Arab state hasn't yet legalized being ALIVE while gay.

R198 to say that the US is as homophobic as Palestine is an absurdity that can only be said by a retarded Marxist like yourself.

It is like people cannot see with their own eyes and think critically. All they have is slogans and buzzwords and they repeat them like zombies. A generation or two has been completely indoctrinated! They have no clue about history, the world beyond their campus or city, they believe everything they're told if it fits the oppressed/oppressor marxist narrative, even when doing so supports people who would joyfully slaughter them.

After Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. killed tens of millions of their own citizens and so many failed socialist countries, how the fuck in God's name do we the Democratic Socialists of America, with them actually elected to office?! Don't get me started on how these useful idiots are supporting a terrorist organization, vilifying Israel a very tolerant, progressive, democratic country of one of the smallest minorities on earth, while ignoring the many islamic countries with outrageous human rights records, the outrageous treatment of women, LGB, and religious minorities, and a religion that is blatantly and proudly violent, imperialistic and oppressive. The world has gone mad!

The body of Israeli-German citizen Shani Louk, who was believed to have been kidnapped alive amid Hamas's assault on the music festival in Reim, was found on Monday, with Louk's sister, Adi, confirming Shani's death on Instagram.

Louk was seen in footage shared on the day of the attack laying motionless in the back of a truck after being kidnapped and brought into Gaza. It was unclear if she was alive in the video, although Louk's mother stated a few days later that she was alive and being held in a hospital in Gaza. Louk's mother, Ricarda, told the German RTL/ntv that she was informed on Sunday that her daughter was no longer alive.

A cousin of Louk's said that the family received an official notice from the IDF and ZAKA that a bone from the base of Louk's skull had been found matched with Louk's DNA. Doctors determined that a person cannot live without the bone found and concluded that Louk could not possibly still be alive.

Louk's boyfriend, Mexican national Orión Hernández Radoux, is also believed to have been kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the assault. Texts in Arabic were sent from his phone after the attack.

[quote]The body of Israeli-German citizen Shani Louk, who was believed to have been kidnapped alive amid Hamas's assault on the music festival in Reim, was found on Monday, with Louk's sister, Adi, confirming Shani's death on Instagram.

Nobody believe she was alive after seeing the footage of her broken body being spat on my Gazan men celebrating on the streets.

R205 Yes. I think it was just her mother hoping against hope that it was true.

Instructive article about the laws of war.

More like Palestine under attack from land and air now.

Germany officials confirmed they didn't find Shani Louk's body, they found her skull.

But remember it's racist to suggest Palestinians would behead people.

R207, that is an interesting article.

The big problem here seems to be that Hamas lives in its own city underneath Gaza. As of three days ago, despite the heavy bombing, Hamas’s leadership and its tunnel system hasn’t been much affected. The IDF has caught at least several Hamas soldiers, but, due to the way Hamas is structured, no individual knows much about the whole operation.

I keep hearing that Hamas' leadership are hiding out in Qatar.

Not that they'd tell us, but I imagine Mossad has plans to take them out, yes?

R211, the political leaders are in Qatar, out in the open. Their military leaders, as far as we know, are in Gaza.

Threats of violence against Jewish students at Cornell. But is all about support for the Palestinian people, not about antisemitism!

🙄

Cornell is a hotbed of Nazis

[quote] Their military leaders, as far as we know, are in Gaza.

I'd expect by now the most senior commanders have slipped into Lebanon or Egypt

Got it, R212. So I guess my followup question is how much of a distinction really exists between the political leadership of Hamas and the terrorists?

R218, I assume that there’s no distinction. Organizations like Hamas seem to be like corporations with complex org charts. The suits in Qatar are there to handle things like fund-raising and negotiations. They facilitate things for the field operations.

[quote] The suits in Qatar are there to handle things like fund-raising and negotiations. They facilitate things for the field operations.

Remember how the IRA was set up with their Sein Fenn frontmen.

That's a weird comparison r218 but perhaps not far off the mark. Look where Sinn Fenn are today - a respectable leading political party in Ireland.

As usual, babbling and diversion from the White House

Karine Jean-Pierre Gives Word-Salad Answer Invoking Nazis When Asked If Biden Condemns Israel Protestors

Gaza Health Ministry now claims more than 8,000 Palestinians — including 3,300 children — have been killed during Israel’s bombing campaign.

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Yale Daily News Denies Confirmed Reports of Hamas’ Rape and Beheading of Israelis

[quote] The last time there was a Muslim voice of reason

There are Muslim voices of reason all around the world, including many right now denouncing your fascism. The days of your controlling the narrative are over. Read the room.

The room is pretty clear

Is there a path forward here that doesn’t devolve into a proxy (or worse) war between NATO and Iran/Lebanon and eventually Egypt/Jordan/Qatar? It seems as though Hamas intentionally just set off the Crusade to end all Crusades.

I don’t want to bury my head in the sand, but I’ve been tuning out cable news and online discourse about this because it just feels like we are careening towards full-on WWIII. It’s too much for my lily-white, anxiety-ridden snowflake mind to deal with.

One side is henpecking about anecdotal college campus nonsense, and the other side is saying that Joe Biden is worse than Trump because of how he’s supposedly giving cover to Bibi. I want, selfishly, to imagine this will resolve itself once they’ve all killed enough of each other over there to call it a day and come to some sort of bullshit compromise that will last us until 2040.

Peace in our time.

R221 Ugh. I can't even bring myself to open this article, as I've sufficiently reached my outrage limit for the day.

The rapes (some of which were so brutal, that pelvises were broken in the process) and beheadings were confirmed by hundreds of medical examiners and forensic pathologists from all over the world that assisted in the autopsies and identifications of the corpses. But I suppose if at least one Jewish medical examiner was present during these findings they cannot be trusted.

Perhaps the editors at Yale Daily news would like to dig up the mutilated bodies and perform additional rape kits themselves? Will that satisfy their skepticism?

[quote] One side is henpecking about anecdotal college campus nonsense,

Anecdotal nonsense.

Either this poster is so ignorant they comment on what’s happening without seeing the videos or they’ve seen the videos and dismiss them.

What a cunt.

R223 has demonstrated the maturity level of the supporters of Israel perfectly.

Now he’s off to steal some other kid’s milk and cookies, then call him a “terrorist” when he fights back.

[quote] Peace in our time.

And I should add, just keep letting them steal land, occupy and oppress to their hearts’ content, and victim blame when their victims fight back.

Crowdfunder to send R229 to Palestine with Concerned European.

Yes, r218 r219 — IIRC, Sinn Féin became associated with the IRA, functioning as political and propaganda, and the Provisionals were IRA's armed wing.

The Provos' bombing campaign was terrible, and lasted for decades. Probably all terrorist orgs have their C-suites, their political and lobbying divisions, and their bloody armed divisions sowing chaos and murdering civilians.

(OTOH, the IRA didn’t have in its charter the goal of obliterating all Protestants. The IRA didn’t have parallel military orgs in other countries, radicalized to wipe out all Protestants existing everywhere. So peace was able to be established in No Ireland, eventually.)

Sinn Fein are Hamas sympathisers although their current leader Mary Lou McDonald did condemn the Hamas attacks immediately.

This was the one of the final atrocities committed by the IRA. Bombing a shopping centre on a busy Saturday and killing a 3 year old boy who was out with his babysitter to get a mother's day card. Another child died a few days later. The revulsion from the public across the UK and Ireland was so strong it forced Sinn Fein's hand into accelerating the peace process.

[quote]Shortly before midday on Saturday, 20 March 1993, The Samaritans in Liverpool received a bomb warning by telephone. According to police, the caller said only that a bomb had been planted outside a Boots shop. Merseyside Police sent officers to branches of Boots in Liverpool and warned the Cheshire Constabulary, who patrolled nearby Warrington.

[quote]About 30 minutes later, at about 12:25, two bombs exploded on Bridge Street in Warrington, about 100 yards (90 m) apart. The blasts happened within a minute of each other. One exploded outside Boots and McDonald's, and one outside the Argos catalogue store. The area was crowded with shoppers. Witnesses said that shoppers fled from the first explosion into the path of the second. It was later found that the bombs had been placed inside cast-iron litter bins, causing large amounts of shrapnel. Buses were organised to ferry people away from the scene and 20 paramedics and crews from 17 ambulances were sent to deal with the aftermath.

For R228 - what kind of “fighting back” is this?:

1) Palestinian Terrorist (Hamas) entered a home and killed the father immediately so he could not protect his family.

2) They put his baby in a burning oven.

3) They raped the wife repeatedly while she listened to her baby screaming being burned alive. Then they killed her.

That’s how they exterminated this one particular family of 100s of families.

It was all recorded on Telegram channels by Hamas and many have seen it.

This a first in American History where terrorist take American Hostages and American roots for the terrorist. Definitely a new low for the country.

Here we go again:

Yeah, insane barbaric fuckers r233, but to some stupid worthless fuckers marching around the world, that is all pretty much the same as Lexington and Concord. Everyone should ignore those dumb fucking assholes and get to exterminating Hamas, including the assholes that feel safe in Qatar.

R235 the BBC are being very careful with their headlines after the hospital incident

"Dozens reported killed in Gaza refugee camp blast

The Hamas run Health Ministry and a hospital director say at least 50 people killed - the BBC is working to verify the details"

There is footage of a crater but there are no bodies visible.

There was a report earlier of a building collapsing into Hamas tunnels.

As the tunnels collapse, things sitting on top of them also collapse. Intentionally co-locating a military target with a civilian structure is a war crime.

R235 Hamas, with 76% support from the Palestinian people have wanted to pull Israel into a Holy War since its inception. Now they've gotten it. Whether their fellow crusaders, Iran and Syria do more than supply weapons remains to be seen. I doubt Iran is willing to give up their world for 2 million Palestinians and they are definitely not dumb enough to supply them with nuclear weapons. I am sure Hamas thought their fellow fundamentalist world would be right be their side. But even their leaders are sitting cozy in Qatar. They will be comfortable while their people get blown to bits.

I am not sure what part of the word "WAR" they don't understand - especially when you bait a global power with massive military might. I guess they are hoping for the mercy of sympathizer's tears, like on this thread, to put out the flames, even though Hamas has shown none. They play dirty and expect others to follow the rules of engagement. I really do hope Israel flattens them once and for all and pushes them out to sea or the loving arms of their neighbors. The idea of a geographic Nation of Palestine might be over.

I'm an Israeli living in Israel. I'm seeing a lot of crazy shit circulating on social media, been spending too much time on TikTok and honestly DL has been an island of sanity for me in the last 4 weeks.... Wanna ask me questions? Would love to share.

r240: What do most mainstream Israelis (those that are in the moderate range, politically) think about Netanyahu now and his ruling party? What are their thoughts about the post-war status of a two (or three) state solution? Doable, or not?

Love to you Stany.

How is it living there right now?

Stany, when did you last call your mother?

Wishing you all the best Stany.

R241 I can only talk from my experience, I live in Tel Aviv and been surrounded by mostly extremely liberal people my whole life. Everyone I know despises Bibi and his nasty followers, I do my best staying away from these people and the content they create.... We've had months of protests against this shit government, and a lot of people see the fact this attack could have happened the way it did is Bibi's fault. I'm personally furious that this pathetic man has the audacity to not to turn in his badge and get the fuck away from public life. Regarding what happens the day after.... hard to say. I find it really hard to believe any person with even half a brain thinks it's the right move to annex Gaza back. The nature of this attack did make a lot of reasonable people to lose hope though, and that there's basically no solution that will be long-term. It's really depressing.

R235 Jabalia is Hamas headquarters. Everyone on both sides knew that Hamas would be the primary target. Civilians living above Hamas military compounds have already had weeks to walk 5 miles south to reach the river. Jabalia camp is probably the most unsafe spot on the planet right now. It's been bombed almost 24 hours a day. Supposedly it was already mostly destroyed on Oct 9. Hamas should have helped evacuate any civilians still remaining above their military assets.

And the media repeatedly calling it a "refugee camp" is disingenuous at best, and is purposely done to make people envision some kind of tent city. It's a fully formed residential neighborhood, with buildings and shops and roads and sidewalks. Nearly every neighborhood in Gaza is technically a "refugee camp" because for some reason (a majorly corrupt UNRWA is the reason) Palestinians are the only refugees in the world that have been granted that status ad infinitum.

So any casualties were either from civilians who wilfully stayed (or were forced to as human meat shields/"martyrs"), despite having weeks to evacuate, or were HAMAS militants.

R242 Thx stranger <3 It's been intense, I can't really complain since I live far enough that I didn't experience first hand terrorists roaming my city, but the general atmosphere is kinda sad. people go around living their lives but like only the necessities, going to work and stuff. Streets are mostly empty. There's rocket fire about 1-2 a day, you become numb to it very quickly, well with the Iron Dome being so efficient it's not as bad as it could have been.

Have you had any Iron Dome pieces/parts fall around you Stany? Do you have a bomb shelter at home?

Not sure about any pieces, but 2 buildings about a mile away from my apartment has been hit. It's not a 100% proof system. Don't have a shelter at home or a nearby public one. I just stay away from my windows when the sirens go off and hope for the best...

[quote] a lot of people see the fact this attack could have happened the way it did is Bibi's fault.

From long distance observation of Israeli politics I agree Bibi seems to be on his way out but this strikes me as if Americans had demanded FDR's head as the battleships still burned at Pearl Harbor.

R250 It's more like the Chamberlain situation after he made the mistake of thinking the nazis are not that bad.

Yes, r234. Where are the American hostages' families? Why aren't they on TV night and day pleading with our government to get their family members out of there? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but why is no one advocating for their release? In this modern day of social media, why aren't they posting on every Facebook page, every "X" post, every cable TV station, etc. You usually can't keep Americans quiet. What is going on?

R239 sounds like a real treat. What a bunch of bloodthirstly people on this site.

R252, that would make no sense for the families to do that. If you make your family member stand out in the public eye, the Palestinians will target them for extra torture, if the family member is still alive, or demand greater ransom. The only thing that makes sense is to stay quiet.

R249 Love from America, Stany! I've got family in Israel. Most in Tel Aviv as well, but some up north that had to be evacuated, and two young cousins currently serving. They said you could literally hear people cheering from the streets when the news was broadcast of Ori's rescue. I'm so grateful you all were at least able to have SOMETHING to celebrate. <3 .תהיה חזק

[quote]Yes, [R234]. Where are the American hostages' families? Why aren't they on TV night and day pleading with our government to get their family members out of there? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but why is no one advocating for their release? In this modern day of social media, why aren't they posting on every Facebook page, every "X" post, every cable TV station, etc. You usually can't keep Americans quiet. What is going on?

Hamas love Americans!

Right now they're probably having hamburgers with them and discussing how fierce Rashida Tlaib is.

[quote] I live in Tel Aviv and been surrounded by mostly extremely liberal people my whole life.

I don’t know the context. What is extremely liberal in the context of Israel and Tel Aviv?

Where are the American hostages' families? Why aren't they on TV night and day pleading with our government to get their family members out of there?

r252 with everything else going on honestly that had not even occurred to me. You couldn't shut people up about the anti-American drug smuggling lesbian black basketball player. But now radio silence. Very odd.

R252, there may be reasons for that. During hostage negotiations with Russia the administration thought that publicity was a bad thing and wanted to stop relatives from talking to the media. Why? It made Russia feel great about what it had done and it escalated its demands.

R257 This should give you a rough idea of the current Israeli leftist perspective post-Oct 7th.

[quote]Hamas, with 76% support from the Palestinian people

On average, polls in 2022 and 2023 give Fatah 35 percent support and 34 percent for Hamas. Palestinian disillusionment with their choices is evident in a question asking which party, Fatah or Hamas, “is most deserving of representing the Palestinian people.” 43% said neither, with 31% putting Hamas forward and 21% preferring Fatah.

However, a 58% majority support a “return to the armed intifada [terrorism] and confrontations,” while 41% oppose such a move.

R261 That's WB and Gazans combined. When only Gazans are polled, the number is higher:

"With that caveat in mind, Gazans give Abbas just 33 percent, while 64 percent would vote for Hamas’s Haniyeh. Haniyeh leads more narrowly on the West Bank but still has 50 percent, to 43 percent for Abbas. "

Also...

"Which brings us to perhaps the most important question: Irrespective of which party or leader Palestinians back, do they support or oppose Hamas’s polices?

By 70 percent to 28 percent, Palestinians oppose a two-state solution — “the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.”

An even larger number — 76 percent to 21 percent — oppose a “one state solution …in which the two sides enjoy equal rights.”

Given a choice among three options for “ending the occupation and building an independent state,” 21 percent prefer “negotiations,” 22 percent “peaceful popular resistance” and 52 percent select “armed conflict.”

Looks like they got what the voted for.

[quote]Massive blast in Jabaliyah refugee camp in Gaza

ABC News: The Israeli Defense Forces took responsibility for the strike, saying the blast killed a Hamas official who the IDF claimed was one of the leaders of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

The "elimination [of Hamas commander Ibrahim Biari] was carried out as part of a wide-scale strike on terrorists and terror infrastructure belonging to the Central Jabaliya Battalion, which had taken control over civilian buildings in Gaza City," the IDF said. "The strike damaged Hamas’ command and control in the area, as well as its ability to direct military activity against IDF soldiers operating throughout the Gaza Strip."

The IDF did not acknowledge the civilian deaths and casualties but repeated the warning that residents of Gaza should move south for safety.

I expect that at any given moment the Palestinian leaders keep twenty or thirty children gathered around themselves.

It is unfortunate that Hamas will not allow civilians to go to safety.

From the BBC. They really did learn after the hospital incident

Palestine Red Crescent says 25 civilians killed in Jabalia attack

The director general of the Palestine Red Crescent Society has told BBC News that 25 civilians were killed in the attack on the Jabalia refugee camp.

Earlier, the Hamas-run health ministry and a hospital director said at least 50 people were killed.

The BBC isn't able to verify either of these figures independently.

BBC 25 = Gaza Health Ministry 1,000,000,000,000,000

[quote] R239sounds like a real treat. What a bunch of bloodthirstly people on this site.

R254 this isn’t a Michelle Obama “we go high” moment. Sometimes you have to speak to people in a language they understand. A thirst for blood seems to be the only way to get a message across to savages.

Israel on Tuesday said it used its Arrow ballistic missile defense system for the first time during this war, intercepting a medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) launched from the “Red Sea region.” A spokesman from Yemen's Houthi rebels took credit for launching missile as well as drones toward Eilat in Israel Tuesday.

On Friday an IAF fighter intercepted a target over the Red Sea — apparently a drone heading for Israel — shortly after an unmanned aerial vehicle slammed into the Egyptian town of Taba on the Red Sea, wounding six people, according to the Times of Israel.

That follows the Oct. 19 launching of at least four land attack cruise missiles and nearly 20 drones by the Houthis intercepted by the Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer USS Carney in a nine-hour engagement. Saudi Arabia also engaged aerial targets during this hours-long incident.

The Houthi are not the internationally recognized government of Yemen, but rather an Iran-aligned militia. Their founding emblem reads the inscription "Death to Israel” and "Curse the Jews”.

The Saudis have been fighitng the Houthis to keep them from conquering Yemen but with their hands largely tied by Biden and the democratic Congress.

When Joe Biden ran for the US presidency, he accused Saudi Arabia of “murdering children” in Yemen, where its forces led a military intervention against Iranian-backed Houthi fighters. But in a striking about-turn, just weeks ahead of a trip to the kingdom, Biden praised Riyadh’s “courageous leadership” in the conflict.

The president’s July visit comes as the US, agitated by high energy prices and inflation, tries to mend relations with Saudi Arabia.

"Over the last day, combined IDF combat forces struck approximately 300 targets, including anti-tank missile and rocket launch posts below shafts, as well as military compounds inside underground tunnels belonging to the Hamas terrorist organization," the IDF said Tuesday on Telegram.

"During the forces' ground operations, the soldiers had several engagements with terrorist cells that fired both anti-tank missiles and machine gun fire toward them. The soldiers killed terrorists and directed air forces to real-time strikes on targets and terror infrastructure."

"Health" officials in Gaza claim that more than 8,300 people have been killed in Israeli bombardment, including more than 3,400 children.

Israel should use this guy's 100% effective method of eliminated rates in NYC against Hamas. He pumps carbon monoxide down into where the rats burrow.

R231 / R232 it’s dishonest to talk about the situation in Northern Ireland and IRA / Sinn Fein without also mentioning how the RUC and British paramilitary forces terrorized catholic communities in the north for decades. You can’t talk about these things in a vacuum. Similarly, anyone talking about Hamas but failing to talk about how settlers and the IDF are terrorizing Palestinians for decades is suspect.

What’s dishonest - and repulsive, frankly - is the attempt to draw a moral equivalency between the actions of the IDF in the West Bank & the unimaginable horrors inflicted by Hamas. What is wrong with you?

I’m dreadfully sorry if the Palestinians in the WB don’t like living in an occupied territory, but maybe they should consider calling a halt to their stated aims of annihilating all Jews & the Jewish state the first chance they get. Maybe then they could start to live a different kind of life, eh?

Lots of Israelis agree with you that the Palestinians there are being treated unfairly, and perhaps they are, but thems the breaks. Live by the sword, die by the sword. They’ve been given multiple - MULTIPLE - opportunities to broker peace and they’ve refused every fucking time. You want to talk about things not happening in a vacuum - sure. The Israeli response to these latest acts of medieval barbarism haven’t happened in a vacuum either - it follows 80 years of solid and never ending hatred and warfare, never once started by the them. They’ve had enough, and I don’t blame the,.

But don’t worry, R271 - we hear you. You’re fine with child raping and murdering, so long as the perpetrators are brown because that makes you admirably “anti-racist”, right?

It would certainly make sense to discuss the settlers and the IDF if we were discussing the West Bank, but this is Gaza so what settlers are you talking about R271? The ones who left 18 years ago?

R272 you’re so upside down. The IDF are terrorists, paid for and organized. And the state of Israel is keeping Palestinians under apartheid.

[quote] but thems the breaks

People are waking up to how absolutely braindead this attitude is btw.

R273 Palestine is both Gaza and the West Bank of course it’s worthwhile bringing up. Just because Hamas aren’t present in the West Bank in the same way doesn’t mean the Palestinians there have no connection to those in Gaza, and that actions taken against Palestinians in the West Bank does not affect those in Gaza.

They might both be Palestine in theory and certainly there are lots of folks relatives in both places, but they have different governments and pretty much opposite relationships with settlers and IDF.

R276 so? wtf are you talking about?

Context

The correct context, not one where posters purposely conflate the West Bank with Gaza to mislead like R271 does.

[quote]Similarly, anyone talking about Hamas but failing to talk about how settlers and the IDF are terrorizing Palestinians for decades is suspect.

As a nation I’d be “terrorizing” any community who has explicitly stated over and over again they seek my death and destruction and take every opportunity they have to prove it. What’s so hard to understand about that? It’s like the sibling who continually pinches you harder and harder but cries when they get punched in the face.

Palestinians HAVE to accept their continually role in the escalation of aggression and their many rejections of peace. Maybe they shouldn’t have death to all Jews in their charter? Ya think? IDF hasn’t been acting in a vacuum either.

People like R274 act like Palestinians are just simple goat herders looking for a break to tend to their flocks and families.

The IDF are not “terrorists”, you stupid moron. Are there individual soldiers capable of behaving badly? - sure. Like every other fucking military in the world, including British and American. But they are not terrorists.

R267, it turns out that the Gaza Health Ministry's assessments of the numbers of the injured and dead have a history being accurate.

That can't always be said of DL posters. R279, the Palestinians of the West Bank do not have "death to all Jews" in their "charter." The West Bank, for one thing, is not ruled by Hamas.

R274 Israel is not “an apartheid state”. 20% of Israelis are Arab muslims, with every civilian right possible. They are teachers, doctors, soldiers, lawyers, judges and politicians. That is not “apartheid”, fool.

The Gaza strip has been self-governing for nearly 20 years, with not one single Jew living or working there. Certainly the Gazans can’t stroll in Israel or Egypt without passing checkpoints because of their charming habit of strapping themselves into suicide vests. This is not apartheid.

The West Bank is under military occupation, and has been for 50 plus years. Certainly many Israelis take issue with the fact & reality of this, but you can’t call it apartheid. The whole point of military occupation is to keep the people there from waging war against you - that is not apartheid. Unless you’re going to insult every black South African and accuse them of being genocidal warmongers rather than the oppressed seekers of equality that they were. Are you?

Calling Israel “ an apartheid state” proves a) you don’t know what the word means and b) you know nothing about history.

R281. Actually, no, Hamas DO NOT have a history of being accurate with death figures. That’s a total lie.

And it doesn’t matter what the WB has in it’s charter - since it doesn’t actually have one. However it has refused point blank to make a peace agreement with Israel (a a necessary step before any possible withdrawl) and poling indicates that a significant number of West Bank Arabs approve Hamas and would vote them into power given the chance.

Israel would have to be suicidal to withdraw - look what happened to Gaza when they withdrew from there.

[QUOTE] You can’t talk about these things in a vacuum. Similarly, anyone talking about Hamas but failing to talk about how settlers and the IDF are terrorizing Palestinians for decades is suspect.

Most of the people posting on this thread are suspect, R271. Almost as if they were directed to come over here and post propaganda.

R283, you are free to dispute facts in the WaPo article I cited.

Islam understands women's proper place in society. It does not unleash a bunch of smug entitled fraus on the world like America does.

R284 Get real. I wouldn’t mop up puppy piss with the Washington Post & if you don’t know how violently anti-Israel the UN is, you don’t know anything.

The former head of Reuters in the Middle East is more reliable.

[quote] The West Bank is under military occupation, and has been for 50 plus years. Certainly many Israelis take issue with the fact & reality of this, but you can’t call it apartheid.

lol it’s not the ‘Israelis’ in this instance that are living under apartheid, dickhead R282

R284 Get real. I wouldn’t mop up puppy piss with the Washington Post & if you don’t know how violently anti-Israel the UN is, you don’t know anything.

But you don’t have to take anyone’s word for it. Last week, within minutes of one of their own rockets hitting a car park they were claiming Israel had bombed a hospital and killed 500.

But according to you, they are stand up, honest Joes? How stupid are you?

Just fuck off with your Jew hating crap. Seriously.

R288 Fuck me…you really are a moron.

You said…Israel is an apartheid state.

The West Bank is not Israel. Gaza is not Israel. Only Israel is Israel….and Israel is not an apartheid state.

Bit easier for you…or do you need a pop up book?

^ Take your meds, Matt A.

"Palestinian and Arab Americans have expressed outrage over Biden’s response to Israel’s bombardment of Gaza, which has killed more than 8,000 people, more than a quarter of them children. The first national poll of Arab Americans since the war in Gaza began shows how deep that sense of betrayal goes, with only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for Biden in 2024—a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.

"The damage isn’t limited to Biden: Just 23% of Arab Americans identify with the Democratic Party, marking the first time a majority did not claim to prefer the Democrats since the institute began tracking party identification in 1996. Those identifying as Independents rose to 31%, the highest it’s ever been."

I guess Cornel West is going to get their votes?

I think most Americans would be in favor of a real muslim immigration ban. Wherever they go strife, intolerance and violence soon follow. It is not the people, it is islamic ideology they bring with them. Islam is compatible with a modern society.

It's amazing that American Muslims didn't stage any form of collective protest against Iran, Syria and China who have killed and oppressed far more than Israel.

But then, you know, Jews.

R294, it’s not very amazing. The U.S. already has an adversarial relationship with Iran and Syria, and everyone anticipates some sort of conflict with China. Protests about Israel, however, raise questions about an ally—they’re potentially an actual threat to U.S. politicians, since they could affect voting.

Has anyone looked at Amanda Seales instagram? She is an American actress (from California), has over 2 million followers. So unhinged about this conflict. Posting several videos a day of herself ranting about Israel. And thousands of people commenting telling her she’s a hero.

So disturbing.

Muslims are completely self-unaware for having no idea as to why people don’t trust their religion. They need better PR or something. Because most Americans associate it with a religion of terrorism and at the extreme, savagery. Most Americans identify as Christian so they are able to parse the difference between Christianity and atrocities done in the name of Jesus. You never hear anything bad or violent about Jews, Buddhist, Taoist. But ask an American what is the religion of terrorism and they will definitely say Islam.

WTF is going on now with the Houthi rebels?

[quote] Islam is compatible with a modern society.

Did you mean, Is NOT?

More and more I'm coming to the view that multiculturalism doesn't work. All the stuff from elsewhere just moves everywhere there really wasn't sectarian stuff before. People need to see themselves as Americans first, as Canadians first, as Mexicans, as Britons, as French...

Islam is compatible with a modern [bold]8th-century[/bold] society.

Fixed yer typo, hon.

[QUOTE] Islam is compatible with a modern 8th-century society.

And yet many of these Islamic countries are relatively free of street crime and other annoyances, while the US is a dangerous shithole.

Very peculiar.

Well if you think you'd be alive to enjoy it, R302, you've a very peculiar notion of where gays would sit in that arrangement. Unless you're straight and just visiting for some other purpose.

Way to go to change the subject and deflect, R303.

Only a man would think Iran and Saudi Arabia are safe places to walk down the street, because it certainly isn’t safe for women who might die because of a wardrobe malfunction. But whatever. Safety is in the eye of the beholder.

Iranians are very safe on the streets thanks to all the morality police.

No one litters in Tehran, no drunken violence or car theft.

Occasionally women get shot in the head for not wearing a headscarf but the police need to do their job.

[QUOTE] Only a man would think Iran and Saudi Arabia are safe places to walk down the street, because it certainly isn’t safe for women who might die because of a wardrobe malfunction.

Oh. So you've travelled extensively in both places?

So many Islamophobes on this forum. It's like a mental wasteland on here.

One thing I have learned: a country can do all kinds of bad things but as long as it has a Pride Parade and some bars, there is a certain type of gay that will proclaim "all is forgiven". They are like desperate little birds, so grateful for the crumbs thrown at them.

Are you are a travel agent and offering to assist R307? What are the rules about women traveling without male family members in Saudi Arabia? Will it be easy to rent a car?

Seriously though, safety really is very dependent on the identity of the observer. And that is true of Islamic and non-islamic majority countries.

Looking up Amanda Seales I see she acquired a master's degree in African-American studies with a concentration in HIP HOP from Columbia University and since has made a profession of race baiting. Even quitting a co-hosting gig on The Real when they wouldn't let her discuss "social issues" to her satisfaction.

Just the background of somebody I'd expect to hate Israel.

I bow to your vast knowledge of that region, R310. You clearly know more than the rest of us.

Why are you so triggered by this person R311? Just block her if you don't like her feed.

No, but seriously R312 I’m open to hearing what you have to say. If you are a woman in one of those countries or a woman who has spent time in one of them and think I have a wrong idea about women’s safety there, let me know where I am misinformed.

Why do you pick Saudi Arabia and Iran as your examples? The most extreme of all those countries?

But hey we get it ElderLez. You're only "pro Zionist" because you have issues with those other countries and the way they do things. You were probably one of those Americans who was gung ho for going over there and instructing them about the proper way to do life, after 9/11.

I had a roommate who worked in the fashion industry, a young attractive Dutch Belgian woman, who traveled frequently to fabric mills in Pakistan. She wore shorts and tshirts in the factory because it was 100 fucking degrees, and the men would stop and stare at her like she was the last female on earth. When she turned to face them they'd dash off, giggling. Anonymous sexual calls in the middle of the night, etc.

Very very weird place for an uncovered blonde woman to be.

Over where R316? I protested the invasion of Iraq.

But you can’t call the US a dangerous of shithole compared to unnamed Islamic countries in general and not expect push back on two of the most influential countries in terms of being all up in other country’s theological education, which is interesting given that you label them extreme.

Now if we are discussing pre-Erdogan Turkey, I felt as safe there as I feel in New York. Labeling all of the Islamic world, which is huge and diverse, as more or less safe than the US is weird. Some places are safer, many less safe, results may vary based on whether you are a man or a woman.

That incident when a female American network reporter was doing a story on the Egyptian revolution

[QUOTE] But you can’t call the US a dangerous of shithole compared to unnamed Islamic countries in general and not expect push back on two of the most influential countries in terms of being all up in other country’s theological education

Yeah because I was talking about theft and violent street crime. Not whether women have to wear a headscarf. And not "theological education".

But if you feel unsafe in those countries, simply do not go there. Go to south side of Chicago.

You stupid fuck, a woman not wearing a headscarf may be the victim of a violent street crime, that's the whole fucking point

And to be really clear, I think the US should have taken all of the Jewish people who survived the Holocaust at the end of WW2. I think the creation of the modern state of Israel by the UN was the outcome of the continued anti-Semitic moral failure of most of the world. So I don’t think I qualify as a Zionist. But at this point, what’s done is done and Israel exists.

Again, not thinking that the risk of a violent attack for failing to cover your hair in public counts as a violent street crime is very male gaze view of what constitutes safety.

[QUOTE] You stupid fuck, a woman not wearing a headscarf may be the victim of a violent street crime, that's the whole fucking point

No Matt, you missed the point:

[QUOTE] Statistics. Statistical academic studies have found that violent crime is less common among Muslim populations than it is among non-Muslim populations. The average homicide rate in the Muslim world was 2.4 per 100,000, less than a third of non-Muslim countries which had an average homicide rate of 7.5 per 100,000.

[QUOTE] Again, not thinking that the risk of a violent attack for failing to cover your hair in public counts as a violent street crime is very male gaze view of what constitutes safety.

From Wikipedia:

[QUOTE] Statistics. Statistical academic studies have found that violent crime is less common among Muslim populations than it is among non-Muslim populations. The average homicide rate in the Muslim world was 2.4 per 100,000, less than a third of non-Muslim countries which had an average homicide rate of 7.5 per 100,000.

Again, this isn’t a smear against all of the Islamic world. There are some huge Islamic population countries like Indonesia which are very safe. But there are also countries where violence against women; attacks by the morality police, honor killings, etc are not viewed as crimes which means that the official numbers don’t fully reflect how unsafe those countries really are for women.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. This thread is populated by Bill Maher clones and there's simply nothing to see here. It's a mental desert.

It was also safe to walk the streets in Nazi Germany (if you weren't one of the undesirables,) and the trains always ran on time. Of course, they were extraordinarily harsh with law breakers. That doesn't mean that it was desirable to live under the Nazi regime, just like it isn't desirable to live under Sharia law.

What I want to know is, has anyone been left eyeless in Gaza?

[quote]Hamas Official Ghazi Hamad: We Will Repeat the October 7 Attack Time and Again Until Israel Is Annihilated; We Are Victims - Everything We Do Is Justified

[quote]We Are Victims - Everything We Do Is Justified

A lot of people out there emboldening the victim mentality of this terrorist.

[quote] And to be really clear, I think the US should have taken all of the Jewish people who survived the Holocaust at the end of WW2. I think the creation of the modern state of Israel by the UN was the outcome of the continued anti-Semitic moral failure of most of the world. So I don’t think I qualify as a Zionist. But at this point, what’s done is done and Israel exists.

And what about the million plus Jews expelled from North African and middle eastern countries? Where would they go?

R332 ...and those exiled from the Arab/Muslim countries (greater number than Palestinians exiled) and their descendants make up most of modern Israel's Jewish population. Of course, the Jews from those countries might not have been exiled if there was no Israel, but you can't turn back the clock. There is no way all the Jews from the Islamic world are getting the homes of previous generations back either. Everybody has to move forward. If only Netanyahu and Hamas were out and people willing to negotiate were in. It could happen. I lived in Israel at the time that settlements were dismantled and peace treaties were made. It could happen again.

Yeah, I suspect the extraordinary mistreatment and subsequent refugee status of the Sephardic/Mizrahi/Bukharan Jewish populations wouldn’t have happened if the UN hadn’t created Israel. But it was, and they were and now they are.

R302, how is that deflecting? You've made a naive and selective contention that many Muslim countries are orderly places. Order isn't difficult when you are subservient to a dogma and oppress anybody who might or does step out of line. My point was to identify your selectivity. These orderly countries would throw you from the roof if you're gay, but I wonder if maybe you're not gay, you're just visiting us to stir the pot with your foolish bias.

Anyway, since we're back on topic why don't you specifically name some of these havens of order? Which countries, exaclty? Speak up.

^ A statement was made that Islam is stuck in 8th Century AD. I made the statement that many of these places are safer and more orderly than many parts of the now overrated "West". You may not like the culture but they are not "stuck in the 8th century". The statistics have already been posted.

An interesting case is Brazil. The crime problem. You can't even go to a beach there without risking being robbed or stabbed. But what's even worse is that normal rules of adult behavior don't apply in societal relations there. Instead there is something substituted called "jeitinho". which means lying and cheating to get what you want. But you'll rarely hear about this because Brazil is part of "The West" and given a pass. On everything. Because Pride Parades.

R337 you just have to put on big boy pants and accept the fact that The West has freedoms, but those very freedoms are what cause The West to be an unsafe, unpleasant place to live.

How is Brazil part of the West r337? “The West” does not mean “all countries in the Western Hemisphere”.

Islam bashers are either mentally limited, or they have a hidden agenda they are trying to push. Or both.

R337, Brazil is absolutely notorious for its crime problem. It gets no pass whatsoever.

R340, whereas your ad hominem attack on “Islam bashers” is the height of intellectual discipline? How do you define that term, or is it just people you disagree with?

R336, still waiting for some examples of these wonderfully ordered countries. And then we can have a chat about human rights, democratic freedoms, rule of law. You know, those trivialities.

Let's throw in women's rights, women's reproductive freedoms and female education, while we're at it.

This made me laugh

R306 and yet they would give an eye and an kidney to leave their shithole countries and cone to the US or Europe.

R319 this is so upsetting. I’ve never heard if this before, and I lived in Cairo for a short while.

Yet another Dem-backed war in the Mideast. Joe never met a war he didn't love.

[QUOTE] Brazil is absolutely notorious for its crime problem. It gets no pass whatsoever.

It does indeed get a pass. You never hear it bashed like you hear the Arab countries bashed. Instead you hear how great it is--because Pride, because people so sensual there.

[QUOTE] Arabs in the Middle East are renowned for being masters in the art of welcoming. It is much like a sacred tradition that has been followed throughout centuries. The origin of this habit comes from the willingness to host and feed wayward desert travellers who passed through town.

That is because The West validates hyper-sexualized, "me first", do anything you want cultures, little grasshopper @ R349. Brazil is the epitome of "Western Values"

A sign at the Holocaust Library in London vandalised.

But remember it’s not antisemitism it’s anti Zionism.

Man arrested in Starbucks in London for racially abusing Jews. Golders Green is a well known Jewish area.

The police are so careful not to accidentally elbow the guy in the jaw.

"Democrats in Michigan have warned the White House that President Joe Biden’s handling of the Israel-Hamas conflict could cost him enough support within the Arab American community to sway the outcome of the 2024 election in a state he almost certainly can’t afford to lose in his bid for reelection."

Wouldn’t it be the height of irony that hatred of Israel actually swayed Arabs to passively or actively elect Trump? Good luck with that, Dearborn.

[quote] Democrats in Michigan have warned the White House that President Joe Biden’s handling of the Israel-Hamas conflict could cost him enough support within the Arab American community to sway the outcome of the 2024 election in a state he almost certainly can’t afford to lose in his bid for reelection.

They are going to vote for Republicans, who are far more passionately supportive of Israel? If that’s the issue that controls their vote, they’re not the sharpest tools in the shed.

R319, R347 Lara Logan speaks out. The mob started saying she was a Jew. In Egypt in particular, sexual violence is common and accepted (according to this 60 Minutes report).

Lara Logan turned into a total crank. Was it the assault that triggered it?

[quote] you'll rarely hear about this because Brazil is part of "The West" and given a pass

Some "parts" of the West get more of a pass than others.

The homicide rate registered in Brazil impacts ethnicities very differently. Whereas the number of homicides per 100,000 black or brown people increased by 33 percent between 2006 and 2017, the homicide rate of non-black or brown individuals dropped by nearly 19 percent in the same period.

I was at my best friend's house today. She is housebound and watches a lot of MSNBC. She expressed her strong opinions on the current Israeli-Gaza Conflict, to wit:

There should be two states. Netanyahu is awful. Israel is partially at fault over the "illegal" settlements.

I asked her (to give her Bibi's personal context, re: his brother Yonathan) if she knew about the episode of Entebbe. She had not.

NOT HEARD OF ENTEBBE, YET DARES OPINE ON ANYTHING ISRAEL-CONNECTED?

She was not knowledgeable about the British Mandate connection back in the day, and so on.

My friend is, I repeat, a news junkie. 76 years old. Lived through 1972 Munich, Entebbe, 6-Day War, etc.

So imagine how deeply ignorant young Americans must be, Ivy League or no.

My Final Jeopardy answer:

"Origin of Terrorist Group moniker 'Black September'."

R361 - tell her to watch The Eichmann Show, with Anthony la Paglia and Martin Freeman, One of the best dramas about Israel I've seen.

There is a part of Brazil in the south that is very white, and not much happens. But in bastions of culture and diversity like Rio crime is insanely high.

1) Never answer the phone on the first ring 2) Never let em see you sweat 3) but most importantly, NEVER trust someone with a Ukraine flag as their profile pic.

Israeli forces surround Gaza City on three sides, says IDF chief

Lt Gen Herzi Halevi also says Israeli troops are operating inside city ‘fighting in close quarters’

Halevi’s comments came as the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, was heading to Israel and Jordan for talks on Friday to push for the humanitarian pause requested by President Joe Biden. ( i . e. --- To allow Hamas troops to escape )

[QUOTE] fighting in close quarters’

Ya think?

Sadly, I'm going to have to agree with R364. The ones who instantly jumped on the Ukraine bandwagon have been proven shady as fuck.

Indeed

^Nah uh.

R362, "Video unavailable."

Zelensky has the same staff as Eric Adams.

Remove all settlers from West Bank. Allow the people who live there to walk and drive on every street.ukolõ

UN officials have been warning that hospitals are "critically low on fuel" for nearly a month now. My guess is they'll be saying the same 2-months from now. It's a modern day Hanukkah!

Joy Reid is disrespecting Hillary

Or has been hacked again. It's difficutl to be certain which.

Wait a minute. If Gaza is "running dangerously low on fuel" because, presumably, of an Israeli stoppage, how will Gazans provide for themselves once they are citizens of the independent People's Republic of Palestine?

Because Israel ain't providing diddly at that eventuality.

R375, obviously the long-running military blockade would be lifted. Over the decades, various plans have been put forward to develop Gaza, but Netanyahu has rejected them. From all appearances he really does seem to want to force the Gazans out into Egypt.

so what's Mr Hezbollah's speech going to be about? twitter is getting excited but I can't see someone declaring war at a rally.

R376 What were these plans?

"According to the Hamas-run Ministry of Health, 8,805 Palestinians have been killed since 7 October, including at least 3,648 children and 2,187 women, and some 22,240 have been injured". UN humanitarian coordination affairs office OCHA. Dated November 2 2023.

PBS NewsHour reported today that Israel expects the initial incursion into the north to take 30 days and then the south of Gaza to take 60 days.

The whole of Gaza is going to be flattened by the sounds of it. 90 days is a long time. I can't see continued political or moral support for that length of continued death and destruction. Palestinians/visitors with other nationalities allowed out of Gaza yesterday and today have all said there is little water, basic food and no fuel for power generation and that bombing is constant etc. Doctors say they have little medicine and overwhelming death and injuries. Egypt won't let them in because it believes that they will not be allowed back and also don't want a massive inflow of refuges to add to Egypt's already 9 million refugees from other areas.

Israel has made it's point. It had to be done in response to the horrific terror attacks. But now it's time for a ceasefire.

This woman would have happily worked in Auschwitz. I get she’s probably medicated but she would have grinned at the Jews forced to carry the dead to the furnaces.

[quote]From all appearances (Netanyahu) really does seem to want to force the Gazans out into Egypt.

Netanyahu is well aware that Egypt wants nothing to do with Palestinians from Gaza.

Couldn't international aid provide for Gaza's civilian population until Gaza can be rebuilt? Egypt doesn’t have to allow civilians from Gaza to remain in Sinai permanently.

Going to be honest if the Israelis are coming at you with one of these surrender is your only option.

CNN: US Secretary of State Antony Blinken called it "striking" and "shocking" that the brutality of the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel "has receded so quickly in the memories of so many" during a news conference in Tel Aviv on Friday.

Blinken said today he viewed additional images and footage from the attack collected by the Israeli government.

Blinken, who appeared visibly shaken, described an example of additional video Israeli officials showed him today of the Hamas attack.

The top US diplomat expressed sympathy for the plight of Palestinians civilians as well, saying he sees his own children when he sees images of “Palestinian children, young boys and girls, pulled from the wreckage and buildings.”

“Hamas doesn't care one second or one iota for the welfare, for the well-being of the Palestinian people,” said Blinken. “It cynically and monstrously uses them as human shields, putting his commanders in command posts, its weapons and ammunition, within or beneath residential buildings, schools, mosques, hospitals.”

R376, Are you sure Egypt would agree? The world is seeing Egypt's attitude towards the Palestinians as we write, n'est-ce pas?

R382, "International aid" from whom? By what means and methods of delivery and distribution?

R385, of course Egypt wouldn’t want that, it’s made that clear. It has many reasons not to want the more Palestinians, particularly its fear of the Muslim Brotherhood. But it is something Israel might want.

Some of you on here would probably bomb ambulances. And so into war, why don’t you join up. Yes, Israel has a right to defend itself, but to me it’s cowardly to kill 9000 civilians to catch how many Hamas? How many Hamas have they killed? I want numbers guys! If that’s your aim, tell us because isn’t that the point? I’m really sick of the billions the US gives to an Israel to bomb the shit out of civilians. Since nobody in Gaza has been able to vote since 2005, how can you say these folks are proHamas? War crimes are war crimes.

Israel said the other week their plan was to clear out Hamas then divest themselves of control of Gaza. Which I presume means after they're finished bombing and peace in some form is made they're shutting the border completely from their side and fortifying it to shit, which would leave Rafah as the only way for aid to actually get in so Egypt in one way or another is going to be responsible for them, granted I'm not even sure Egypt has the infrastructure to deal with that on their side so Gaza's real problems are likely to only start after the war.

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r390 I mean the title was the important bit but here

[quote]Some of you on here would probably bomb ambulances. And so into war, why don’t you join up.

Bitch why don't you? Hamas is hiring.

[quote]Some of you on here would probably bomb ambulances. And so into war, why don’t you join up. Yes, Israel has a right to defend itself, but to me it’s cowardly to kill 9000 civilians to catch how many Hamas? How many Hamas have they killed? I want numbers guys! If that’s your aim, tell us because isn’t that the point? I’m really sick of the billions the US gives to an Israel to bomb the shit out of civilians. Since nobody in Gaza has been able to vote since 2005, how can you say these folks are proHamas? War crimes are war crimes.

Firstly Gaza has a border with Egypt so ask them why they stop people leaving Gaza. The First Minister of Scotland's mother and father in law have been in Gaza the last month visiting family. A British woman is currently in Gaza having travelled there to attend a wedding. Some open air prison.

As for the death toll, I can't believe I'm quoting BEN SHAPIRO of all people but he made a very clear point at the Oxford Union debate this week against some hijab woman.

75,000 British civilians died in World Ward, compared with 200,000 German civilians. Britain bombed the fuck out of Dresden with 25,000 killed there in 3 nights. Does Germany's high civilian loss mean Britain and the US should have gone easy with the bombing?

The BBC led the news today with a report featuring Mr FAFO.

R394 that story is beyond. But you can’t even bring it up to the Ivy League protestors because they will just scream it’s Israeli propaganda and there is a genocide going on.

R393, the current Geneva Conventions concerning the conduct of war were written in 1949, inspired by the many excesses of World War II. The Dresden fire-bombing was, and remains, controversial; so does the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I don't think anyone looks at that war as a standard for anything.

That's a swivel R396.

Yes or no, was the bombing of Dresden and Hiroshima justified in bringing an end to the the war(s).

I would say yes, with reservations.

[quote]but to me it’s cowardly to kill 9000 civilians to catch how many Hamas?

To me, it's cowardly for Hamas to hide behind 9000 civilians to escape the IDF. What happened to the mighty warriors who were brave enough to enter Israel, shoot unarmed concertgoers, kidnap children and grandmothers, and murder entire families?

Imagine going to debate with Ben Shapiro and your research is memorising some tweets.

Two women have been charged with a terror offence after allegedly carrying "an image displaying a paraglider" at a pro-Palestinian protest in London.

The Met Police said Heba Alhayek, 29, and Pauline Ankunda, 26, were charged on Friday with inviting support for a proscribed organisation.

They had face masks but were still tracked down.

Biden needs to tell Bibi to pull out all the settlers from the West Bank, full stop.

Did you know this:

“ Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.”

“Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas. Some of those killed were members of militant groups, but most were attacked simply because they were Palestinians. In any case, they had nothing to do with Hamas’ attack on Israel from Gaza.”

There will be no peace talks until Bibi is gone.

Good article

I think it's rich that nations that waited to condemn Hamas atrocities only AFTER Israel began retaliating, the better for both-sides mealy-mouthism, are now arrogantly "deciding" what is "too much" retaliation.

I would ask them what, in their opinion, comprises "too much" first-strike Palestinian terrorism.

There should be a home swap between Palestinians who recognize Israel’s right to exist and the West Bank Settlers.

It’d be the three State solution; Israel, Palestine and we aren’t letting you out of your room until you learn to get along-land.

(Palestinian Gazans in line two)

This is the full Ben Shapiro Oxford University "debate" video - it's students asking him questions, most of which are from their phones and they have no comeback to his questions or an ability to shape their responses.

The posh guy in white who tells him it's a displeasure to meet him is such a twat and typical of Oxford. I'd imagine parents based overseas, sent to a boarding school in the UK and then Oxford. No real communication skills. Imagine having an expensive education and Ben Shapiro of all people has better communication skills than you.

And when the subject moves off Palestine/Israel Shapiro becomes less authoritative and the questioners more engagaged.

[quote] US Secretary of State Antony Blinken called it "striking" and "shocking" that the brutality of the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel "has receded so quickly in the memories of so many" during a news conference in Tel Aviv on Friday.

You're welcome

[quote]US Secretary of State Antony Blinken called it "striking" and "shocking" that the brutality of the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel "has receded so quickly in the memories of so many" during a news conference in Tel Aviv on Friday.

The brutal terrorist attack by Hamas has been immediately replaced with the unfettered brutality of Israel/IDF killing hundreds of children on a daily basis as retribution for the October 7th attack with no end in sight.

Did you want the media to stop reporting on that R407? Maybe they should all just pretend it isn't happening?

I have family who survived Nagasaki. I always dislike this question of justification--just as I don't like the framing of the Israel/Palestine conflict as one of justification. Nagasaki happened. To ask if it was justified is, I think, the wrong frame and insulting to someone somewhere. I mean if it was justified then, phew, all clear. Right? Sorry you died, but we were justified. I don't think that's a helpful way to think about it for people or for humanity or the future. That's like asking, well, was torture at one point justified? Is killing okay for a little bit for a while? Sorry, we were justified.

I don't like being forced to choose between "Israel has the right to defend itself" or "It shouldn't defend itself." That just locks people into another binary. I feel like this legalistic way of thinking has now penetrated our culture to the point that we make it easy to dehumanize people--and not just people in history, but gays, lesbians, trans people...anyone. "Sorry, but for now this was necessary. So eat it."

I'm neither Jewish nor Muslim and have no ties to the Middle East other than through friends. I don't like being asked to choose a side. I wish they would stop killing each other. I and disgusted by the terrorist attacks, the displacement of the Palestinian people, the historical holocaust, the settlements (gross), and the whole thing. I am aware that my general position lacks a position. I hate that social media means I have to pick up a tagline and have a position. I hate that my country is involved in this mess. I hate that we prop up Israel. I hate the "death to Israel" nonsense and have been in Europe and listened to so called polite dinner chatter when liberals predict the end of Israel "oh in about fifty years I would say" and so I also am not happy about what clearly looks like growing antisemitism.

I think people have to get tired of killing each other before peace settles in. The problem is that killing seems to be addictive--you see this in people who are stuck in toxic relationships and also, apparently, nations at war. In kindergarten when kids act out like this they sit in a corner and have a time out. I would like to see a major time out. I have no idea if that will cure the impulse to keep on killing, but I have no idea what the alternative is, other than for one side to wipe out the other (or nearly wipe out the other) which is what has happened in many major wars up to now.

I realize I am not picking a side and will be flamed for this.

[quote]I don't like being forced to choose between "Israel has the right to defend itself" or "It shouldn't defend itself."

Who is forcing you to do that R409?

R10 Good question. ;-) It can feel like that in social settings at the moment! But you are quite right that there is, at the present, no gun to my head.

R385 - Egypt has repeatedly stated that it won't allow a massive influx of refugees because it doesn't believe they will be allowed back into Gaza and Egypt already has 9 million displaced refugees from other countries which it has to take care of. Egypt also believes it might inadvertently import a new terrorist problem.

I don't fault Egypt one bit for refusing Gazans. Egypt has advanced too far to be dragged backwards by those fanatics.

PIRATES BOARD SHIP

More than 100 demonstrators and activists gathered at the Port of Oakland on Friday to block the entrance to a ship that they claimed was transporting military weapons to Israel.

What started as a group of a few dozen activists affiliated with the Arab Resource and Organizing Center grew to as many as 150 protesters over the course of the morning, AROC’s press coordinator, Wassim Hage, told SFGATE. A source from the port informed AROC that the cargo ship Cape Orlando was scheduled to transport weapons to Israel, Hage said, after a stop in Tacoma, Washington.

SFGATE could not immediately confirm the contents of the ship or its final destination.

“We’re sending the alarm that the U.S. government is, in fact, sending these weapons to Israel,” Hage said. “We want people to be aware that the U.S. is going to continue to use our ports to facilitate the genocide of Palestinian people in Gaza.”

A handful of people climbed the ropes on the side of the ship, AROC’s executive director, Lara Kiswani, told SFGATE at the port on Friday afternoon.

Eventually, protesters were removed and the ship began to leave the port a little before 2 p.m., with onlookers shouting, “Shame on you,” and, “See you at the next stop,” as it departed. AROC has been “in coordination with our partners in Tacoma, who are prepared to block the boat once it reaches there, if it does,” Kiswani said.

R409, Your stance is superficially noble, but your almost throwaway line---"the displacement of the Palestinian people"---betrays your lack of historical knowledge as to the origins. While the Independence years of 1947-48 indeed loom large, the territorial claims and rights and physical presence of the different Semite populations; the intransigence of the British in preventing entry of Palestine to Europe's Jews; the immovable object of the Arab states vs. the irresistible force of the early Zionists; and the fear and loathing towards the Palestinian "refugees" (debate still rages about their 1940s exodus, whether forced or voluntary, the latter with hopes of an Arab re-conquest) by their cultural brethren, who will not take them in.

We are friends and allies with Germany. We are friends and allies with Japan. But the world somehow will never forgive the Jews for having the nerve to stop being victims.

R415 here. I best complete that one sentence:

"who will not take them in; pre-date the independent state of Israel."

R412, Exactly my point. But Israel should agree to an actual terrorist NATION on their border?

The Israelis know very well what the fuck they are dealing with when it comes to the muslim world, and the west will soon find out and relearn the history they've chosen to forget. The hatred of Jews and the call for their murder goes back to mo'hammade himself who wiped out a Jewish tribe. Jews ain't taking no one's shit anymore. Good for them!

R417 at this point Israel is the terrorist nation.

[quote]But Israel should agree to an actual terrorist NATION on their border?

What could go wrong?

R419, learn history not the latest headline.

Learn more than slogans, R419.

R421 / R422 look at the current situation (and that of the last 50years) objectively and dispassionately. I’m not wrong.

Yes, you are R423, The past is prologue, as they say. As I said, learn Jewish history and the history of the islamic conquest for a start. Learn about the hatred that is in the koran, as preached and lived by their prophet. It is all being re-enacted over and over again. The Jews have had enough and rightly so. All this is not just about Israel. Try to see the big picture and the long game.

Hamas is trying to get its wounded terrorists on lists for evacuation into Egypt by pretending they are wounded civilians. Thus halting the process of evacuation for dual-passport applicants and seriously wounded Palestinian civilians.

[quote]The official said that about a third of the wounded Palestinians on the first list were Hamas fighters and that allowing them to exit Gaza was unacceptable to officials in Egypt, the United States and Israel. The delays continued for some time, the official said, because Hamas kept offering lists that turned out to include its members.

(From NYT Friday11/3/23)

Another pair of poster rippers who were identified very quickly. And this wasn't a hostage poster, it was promoting a vigil.

Colleen, the main star, knows immediately that she's fucked but can't allow herself to apologise or defuse the situation. How hard is it to say "I'm sorry, I can see it's upset you, can I replace it". Pride and self righteousness are a toxic combination.

And supporting Luci is consumed by seething rage (probably the T) and just tries to brazen it out. That she works in Starbucks is pretty hilarious considering they're on the boycott list. (Apologies if I've misgendered her, she's probably a she/they)

Hezbollah backs away from joining the war

One reason Hezbollah is yet to fully jump into the war is that it is not yet prepared.

"We haven't reached the phase of achieving victory with a knockout blow," he said. "We need to be realistic."

R426 and of course they are eating bagels 😂

Oh dear, Israel obsessive Susan Sarandon is now retweeting notorious neo nazi Jackson Hinkle.

"So what comes next?

Israel can occupy the Gaza Strip. The Americans, who have long experience with the futility of such occupations, argue (correctly, I think) that such an occupation will not work. Israel could invade the Gaza Strip, destroy as much as possible of the Hamas personnel and infrastructure, and then withdraw. But, the world of bleeding hearts and the world of Islamic solidarity will pour in enough money to rebuild that human and military infrastructure as well as the ideology of Jew hatred that motivates it.

The Americans could intimidate Iran and its proxies into refraining from intervening. That would result in a “check,” but not a “checkmate.” The Iranian Jew haters will then do what any chess player would do. They will strategically withdraw, and the dead Gazans will be declared martyrs who go to paradise while the surviving Gazans will be declared heroes who will live to fight again. The Iranians will then declare victory in a serious and successful preliminary battle. Make no mistake: This would indeed be a victory for Iran, and a major loss for the Americans and the Jews.

In the process, much fuss will be made over “freeing the hostages.” The price demanded for freeing the innocent people who were unjustly seized will be high. There will be no justice; only bargaining over what the losers should pay for the lives of the women, children, grandmothers, strangers working in the Holy Land, and soldiers to “free” them, or their dead bodies. Not all of them will be released. Hamas is already claiming that they do not know where all of them are. Whatever is agreed upon, no matter how unjust, the payment is a victory for the Jew haters. It is blackmail paid.

The reinforcement of the jihad against the Jews (and also against the Christians though Christians don’t take this seriously, yet) will have the secondary effect of being the death of the “two-state solution.” Why, after a great victory against the Jews, should the forces of Islamic antisemitism agree to a Palestinian state that would imply the recognition of the legitimacy of the despised Jewish state? The West will continue to “push” for the two-state solution but the success of the Hamas pogrom has torpedoed that forever. For that matter, what Jew would ever trust a Jew hater to agree to “peace”?

For the same reasons, the success of the jihad against the Jews probably means the end to “normalization.” Who leads the Islamic world? If Iran wins the midgame chess battle by taking its Palestinian losses and withdrawing from further military action until the next move, Iran, not the United Arab Emirates and others, will be the leader, and normalization will have been an interlude.

Antisemitism, on the right and on the left, will grow. It is already spreading rapidly, particularly on college campuses. Sometimes, antisemitism is violent Jew hatred, and sometimes it is couched in equity, diversity, inclusion language which shrinks from declaring the killing of babies a crime against humanity."

...continued from R430...

"There is a concept called “moral injury” that we discovered among American soldiers returning from wars in the Middle East and Asia. It is not PTSD, for which there are established treatment protocols. Moral injury is the realization that one did something in a wartime situation in which the morality of the military protects one psychologically but which, when one returns to normal moral life as civilians, one realizes was terribly wrong. For instance: A soldier in the Middle East sees a pregnant-looking woman dressed in Islamic clothing walking toward him. He does not know whether she is pregnant or has a bomb under her clothing. He shouts at her several times in the local language to stop. He fires into the air to deter her. But she keeps coming toward him. In the end, he follows standard instructions to protect himself and his unit, and he kills her. But she turns out to have been pregnant, and not a terrorist. After release from the army, he returns home and sees his pregnant wife walking toward him. The scene comes back to him and the soldier turns violent, or turns to drugs or alcohol, or commits suicide. This is “moral injury.” He did what he should have done in the situation but, in a normal context, he realizes it was a terribly wrong thing to have done. I think that, for many Israelis and Jews, the anger, indeed the rage, that we are experiencing now and our intense desire for revenge as we read the stories and watch the videos of this horror, are going to become moral injuries as life moves forward.

Finally, remember that 2033 is the 100th anniversary of the rise to power of Hitler; that 2038 is the 100th anniversary of Kristallnacht; and that 2041-44 is the 100th anniversary of the Nazi death camps. The Jew haters know this, for sure. I won’t be around to see this. Many of you won’t either. But our children and grandchildren will.

In the end, it is my thinking that Iran will play it rationally. They will not risk nuclear war for Palestine. They will, therefore, take their Palestinian losses, restrain Hezbollah and other pawns from intervening, declare victory, and return to planning the next major step in their jihad against Jews, Christians, and the West. Israel will do something in Gaza but will not be able to “eliminate” Hamas or Islamic Jew hatred. Hamas will suffer, will declare victory over the Jews, and will succeed in getting more money to rebuild. America will claim to have prevented another damaging war and will go on believing that it leads the free world in its march for justice and peace. Jews everywhere will grudgingly be forced to acknowledge that “there is nothing new under the sun”; that Jew hatred is here to stay. The Hamas pogrom will take its place, alongside other pogroms against Jews, as the first pogrom of the 21st century. Welcome to Jewish history."

I love the smell of napalm in the morning

No kidding, it's a pleasant fragrance

A Jewish woman was stabbed at her home in the French city of Lyon on Saturday afternoon by an assailant who also daubed a swastika on her front door.

The 30-year-old woman was stabbed twice in the abdomen and taken to hospital. Her condition is now said to be stable and she is no longer in danger, the French newspaper Le Progres reported on Saturday night.

According to accounts of the attack in the French media, the attacker, described as a man dressed in dark clothing and wearing a mask, rang the victim’s doorbell “insistently.” The woman, whose home is identified as Jewish by the mezuzah on display, then answered the door. The assailant stabbed her twice before fleeing the scene of the attack, an apartment building on rue Jeanne-Hachette in the Montluc district of the city.

A statement from the Lyon public prosecutor’s office confirmed that an investigation had been opened into an attempted murder with a possible antisemitic motive.

Government statistics released earlier this week revealed that more than 800 antisemitic acts had been recorded in France since the Hamas atrocities in southern Israel on Oct. 7.

France was putting “very significant resources into protecting French people of the Jewish faith,” French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin said in a television interview on Monday. According to figures from the interior ministry, 819 antisemitic incidents have been registered since the Hamas assault — almost double the 436 acts recorded during the entirety of 2022.

Stupid girls, r426 and they should be confronted and reprimanded but this camera-in-face hectoring, “why’d ya do it why’d ya do it why’d ya do it ?” “Please go away, please don’t film me” It’s just SO self righteous. Guy is safely 1000 miles away from the war. Maybe he has family there and wants to do something, anything to support them. I only watched a short clip (maybe he explains it later) and his tone and attitude is more like, I get to be a bully and get internet points!! A confrontation without the god damn phone recording your heroism for worldwide appreciation would be less uh confrontational and actually accomplish your goal to get them to stop tearing down your posters. And now you’ve doxxed them. What a man. Surely they’ll write books about you someday.

^ Sorry, been up half the night coughing. Just tired of people co-opting a very sad, perilous situation.

[quote]Stupid girls, [R426] and they should be confronted and reprimanded but this camera-in-face hectoring, “why’d ya do it why’d ya do it why’d ya do it ?” “Please go away, please don’t film me” It’s just SO self righteous. Guy is safely 1000 miles away from the war. Maybe he has family there and wants to do something, anything to support them. I only watched a short clip (maybe he explains it later) and his tone and attitude is more like, I get to be a bully and get internet points!! A confrontation without the god damn phone recording your heroism for worldwide appreciation would be less uh confrontational and actually accomplish your goal to get them to stop tearing down your posters. And now you’ve doxxed them. What a man. Surely they’ll write books about you someday.

Yes, the man putting up posters for a vigil for kidnapped children and women paraded through the streets of Gaza covered in blood is the bad guy.

These two women (or however they identify) engaged in direct activism by ripping down the poster for a vigil. They should be proud of what they did to help end the suffering of Palestinians. When I've attended marches and leafletted/campaigned I've never felt the need to hide my face.

Maybe you coughed up your moral compass.

R434 The sad truth is that if flagrant acts of antisemitism AREN'T recorded, no one will believe they happen. Hell, even when they ARE recorded it is still denied. I think that if you're willing to do something like this in public, you should be okay with that action being made public.

Hadley Freeman writes typically well about the poster situation with this summary

If these activists actually wanted to make a point, they would print photos of the killed Palestinians and stick them up alongside the Israeli ones, showing everyone the real human cost of this conflict. Instead they tear the Israeli posters down and deny these murders happened, perpetuating the terrible cycle. Too many are exploiting this Middle East tragedy to release a previously corked-up feeling that Jews have for too long been given too much, accorded too much valuable victim status. Bloody Jews, going on about the Holocaust again! Bloody Jews, demanding sympathy for their murdered babies again! Bloody Jews. Again.

This is the poster that was torn down.

What is offensive about this? What about this poster makes someone look at it and think "this needs to be taken down".

You make an interesting point R436. IRL most people who engage in direct action/protests are not worried about publicity for their cause. If anything it’s a plus.

R434, you missed the point entirely, unless you purposely chose not to.

But who can blame him? Here's some depressing news analysing how the Left is nursing anti-Israel bias in its coverage:

The BBC, a lightning rod for controversy, has found itself at the centre of the firefight. But it is not alone. Publications including The Guardian and the New York Times have repeatedly come under criticism from politicians and Jewish groups amid allegations of bias and even anti-Semitism in their coverage.

The BBC, New York Times, Reuters and Press Association were all forced to backtrack over their breathless reporting of the blast at the Al Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza that killed hundreds of Palestinians.

The media outlets were quick to conclude that the explosion had been caused by an Israeli strike, despite relying on Hamas officials as their key source. US intelligence officials now believe the blast was caused by a failed rocket fired by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

The BBC apologised for speculating on the cause of the explosion, but not before Israel accused the broadcaster of perpetuating a “modern blood libel” – a reference to false claims dating back to the Middle Ages that Jews killed Christian boys.

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US President Joe Biden was reportedly furious at the New York Times’s credulous coverage, warning it could have led to an escalation in the Middle East. The US newspaper offered a full apology, admitting its editors “should have taken more care with the initial presentation, and been more explicit about what information could be verified”.

The BBC was forced to launch an urgent investigation after several of its journalists in the Middle East appeared to celebrate the Hamas attacks.

Meanwhile, the public service broadcaster has tied itself in knots over its refusal to brand Hamas a terrorist organisation, opting instead to use the word “militants”.

John Simpson, world affairs editor, has defended the approach, insisting that terrorism is a “loaded word” and that it’s “simply not the BBC’s job to tell people who to support and who to condemn”.

Yet the broadcaster’s aversion to the word “terrorist” appears to be selective. In the aftermath of the 7/7 bombings in 2005, then-head of news Roger Mosey said the BBC “[had] used and will continue to use the words terror, terrorism and terrorist”.

When gunmen and bombers launched an attack in Paris a decade later, killing 130 people, they too were described as terrorists.

Furious debates over language may seem parochial, but on topics as fraught as the Israel-Palestine conflict, words matter.

When a murderous mob stormed the Dagestan airport in Russia in search of Jewish passengers from Israel, the Associated Press newswire described the incident as a “protest”. This, in turn, was picked up by publishers including the Washington Post.

And when a Gazan who featured in a 2019 BBC documentary said revolutionary songs “encourage you to rip a Yehudi’s head off”, the broadcaster caused controversy by translating the Arabic word to “Israeli” instead of “Jew”.

The (Guardian) newspaper has also come under fire for its decision to publish an opinion piece by Israeli-American historian Raz Segal entitled: “Israel must stop weaponising the Holocaust”.

The Board of Deputies (of British Jews) branded the article “unbelievably crass” and said The Guardian had hit a “new low”. The paper defended the piece, saying its “opinion columns aim to provide a range of views on important and complex world events”.

ITV News, meanwhile, was forced to apologise for its “astonishingly bad decision” to air an interview with Latifa Abouchakra, a journalist for Iranian state TV, who described the Hamas attacks as a “moment of triumph”.

In the US, the New York Times has been widely criticised for its decision to re-hire a Gazan freelance journalist Soliman Hijjy even after he was found to have posted support for Adolf Hitler on social media. The newspaper defended its decision, saying it had taken steps to ensure Hijjy complied with its standards.

Whether through overt anti-Semitism or more subtle uses of language, the controversy has shed light on the contradictions embedded within Left-wing media outlets.

While claiming to speak truth to power and be an arbiter of morality, the publications appear blind to the prejudices espoused by many of their employees, and in turn in their coverage.

At the heart of the issue is a liberal worldview bias that paints Israel as the oppressor.

“On the Left, racism – of which anti-Semitism is a part – has always been seen in terms of oppressor and oppressed,” says Tory peer Baron Wolfson of Tredegar.

“So, if you’re white and middle class, it’s very difficult to see how you can be the victim of racism.”

He adds: “And then you apply that to Israel. You say Israel is a colonialist project, and therefore it can only ever be the oppressor. It can never be the victim.”

Professor Feldman says: “Parts of the revolutionary Left and parts of the decolonial Left take the view that might is right so long as the might is exercised by the oppressed in acts of resistance.”

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However, he adds that this is not the response of the entire Left: “I would say the mainstream liberal Left response is cast in terms of international law.” “It’s a bit like during Brexit, people said: ‘The BBC just find it hard to conceive of people who are pro-Brexit’,” he says. “I think there’s an element in the BBC that finds it hard to conceive of people who are Zionist.”

Yet it is not only the public that suffers when media organisations fall short. A damning first-person piece published in Jewish News this week highlights the extent of the impact on Jewish staff at The Guardian.

In the article, the anonymous employee says the newspaper’s coverage and the attitude of their colleagues meant they no longer felt safe at work.

Suzanne Moore, who left The Guardian in 2020 after a row over the newspaper’s trans coverage, says the incident “came as no surprise”.

“I never went into the office there except to the meeting to decide whether the paper would back Corbyn or not in the last election,” she says.

“I said no because of anti-Semitism. Still, a number of Jewish writers wanted to and lots of people, as far as I am concerned, did not get it. It’s only got worse since then.”

A Guardian spokesman said the Jewish News article did not “bear any resemblance to the workplace culture at The Guardian”.

“We do not recognise the events described and are seeking to ask the individual concerned to share specific information about any incidents so that we can investigate the facts fully,” they said.

The internal turmoil highlights the splintering within many news organisations – and the failure of bosses to keep these divisions under wraps.

The trend can be blamed in part on the rise of social media, which has led to the emergence of the journalist as a brand.

Social media sites such as X, formerly known as Twitter, give reporters and columnists a platform to express their own views, which often do not align with those of their employer.

Jewish News this week revealed that Chante’ Joseph, The Guardian’s pop culture columnist who also presents a podcast for the newspaper, shared numerous posts on social media casting doubts on the scale of the Hamas attacks and propagating conspiracy theories about Jewish power and control.

Joseph, who presented a documentary for Channel 4 entitled How Not To Be Racist, has apologised and deleted the posts, but continues to work as a freelancer for the paper.

A Guardian spokesman said: “These are completely unacceptable social media posts by a freelance contributor. Senior managers are taking this very seriously and have spoken to the person concerned, who is deeply regretful at their lapse in judgement and has immediately deleted the posts.

These inner conflicts come at a crucial time. With disinformation rife on social media platforms such as Facebook, X and TikTok, trusted media outlets play a crucial role in verifying information and cutting through the noise.

The BBC and Guardian have 2 problems.

Firstly the staff are activists who influence what the news actually is and secondly they prioritise reputational protection when they fuck up.

^^^the other huge problem, which is true for the NYTs and WaPo as well, is that their reporting on almost all topics is ideology driven. It is so obvious and blatant, I'm surprised so many supposedly educated and sophisticated people still fall for it.

I thought WaPo was pretty neutral. I was surprised and disappointed to see Reuters and AP accused of failing in neutrality. What's left then? (I mean remaining, obviously.)

Bear in mind these news organisations have staff working in Gaza.

That's Gaza, controlled by Hamas, a terrorist organisation who tortures and kills its critics.

Do you honestly think they're going to report facts like Hamas using schools and hospitals as command posts?

R447, do they still have actual staff (as opposed to contacts) in Gaza?

The BBC has a reporter based in Gaza who has been reporting about his children moving south as part of the evacuation of the north.

The idea that he can be totally impartial when he and his family are under the control of Hamas is ridiculous.

[quote]Do you honestly think they're going to report facts like Hamas using schools and hospitals as command posts?

It's sad but people tend to forget that was something called journalism - which has definitely fallen by the wayside. Like a doctor or a lawyer, journalist take, or used to take an oath to report the news in an impartial way. And if they couldn't because they were too close to the story, they would recuse themselves. I remember when my brother graduated from Columbia, the entire School of Journalism stood up and took the oath conducted by the dean. That is what true journalism used to be. But we are so used to personality driven, commentator driven news reporting, it's hard to believe that something like a true journalistic nature every existed - or at least journalist making impartiality their most important code of conduct.

I'm sure journalists living in Gaza WANT to be honest about what is happening but simply cannot because of the threat Hamas pose to them and their families.

As for impartiality a lot of tv broadcasters are aware of social media clips going viral for good or bad reasons so are changing their behaviour because of that. Going in hard on Israelis has generated some amazing pushback clips, notably from Naftali Bennett. Reminder that during Covid Israel were way ahead of the world with the vaccine programme and the UK was a close second and working with Israel and learning from them. When the Israeli health minister was interviewed by the BBC part of the interview focused on whether they would provide Palestine with vaccines.

And the BBC recently launched "Verify" to combat fake news. When the BBC used a clip filmed by Mr FAFO this week their "Verify" lead attacked people calling Mr FAFO a crisis actor, which is "conspiracy theory" language and said Mr FAFO is simply an influencer.

Douglas Murray has been on to this for years. Bottom line, muslims despise Jews (Jew hatred is in the koran), and importing, muslims into the west in large numbers has been a huge mistake. Incompetent politicians have struck yet again.

I’ve been looking for a thread like this for a while - all the times Gazan hospitals have only had 12 hours of power over the last month.

[quote] NYTs and WaPo as well, is that their reporting on almost all topics is ideology driven. It is so obvious and blatant, I'm surprised so many supposedly educated and sophisticated people still fall for it.

Fewer and fewer do still fall for it. As you say, it is so obvious and blatant.

R453 Yes. YES.

Poor Palestinian farmer shot dead by and Israeli 'settler'. (what does that even mean?🥴) His 'crime'? Doing is job by picking olives 😭😭 He was doing honest work , trying to support his family. And don't come with 'tHis iS c0lLaTEraL DaMaGe FOr AtTACkInG iSraEl'😩🥴😡

This shit is giving Jim Crow/1800s slavery/South African apartied/ straight up murder/ genocide. And of course the perpetrator gets off .😡

Netanyahu' karma-and anyone who supports this blatant genocide will be monumental. When we answer for our crimes ,we answer individually -not as a group.

[quote]tHis iS c0lLaTEraL DaMaGe FOr AtTACkInG iSraEl'

I recognize this insanity.

Yes, r457 -it is insane to be killing defenseless farmers. I'm glad you recognize how sick that is. 😜

R458, your crazy energy is need here... Get to it.

R419, Facile is not a good look.

"An Israeli settler shot....." I daresay one will find individual gun-nuts here, too. I could be wrong.

I can't tell if R456 is satire or not.

[quote] I can't tell if [R456] is satire or not.

I think r456 is making the point that to the anti-Israel people, one person killing one other person is referred to as genocide. For example, Mark David Chapman committed genocide against John Lennon.

However, I don’t know if this point was intentional or unintentional by r456.

And yes, Israel needs to arrest the extremists responsible for the West Bank attacks.

That they are distracted by Gaza isn't an excuse.

Hamas leaders admit to not really having any plans to govern Gaza, they have no intention of providing for their people. They are hoping for a permanent war against Israel and they are hoping their fellow Islamic brother nations will join them in their fight. That is what the leadership of Palestine wants. They don't care about their people, if every single one of them ends up dead.

[quote]Ay-Hayya and other Hamas members interviewed dismissed the idea that they wanted to or will govern Gaza, and instead expressed hope for a “permanent” war on all fronts. “I hope that the state of war with Israel will become permanent on all the borders and that the Arab world will stand with us,” said Taher El-Nounou, a Hamas media adviser. The group’s goal “is not to run Gaza and to bring it water and electricity and such,” al-Hayya added.

Even though the link is from the New York Post, the interview with the leaders was conducted by the NYT.

Why don’t the Palestinians just go? Are they welcome nowhere? It sounds like they have behaved pretty poorly when taken in.

Their husbands and brothers are fucking Hamas, do you think they would let them leave?

Not sure if he’s a datalounger (he should be) but I love him.

R468 ew I used to think he was kinda funny but he’s quickly becoming the Amy Schumer of the unsuccessful gay Instagram comedy world :,(

I can’t believe we live in a world where so many people are siding with terrorists who raped and murdered civilian women and children. And so many do them are women. You think they’d be scared and horrified.

R468 I love him too.

R469 Oh please. You bitches just hate any gay comedian that starts to gain a following. Sour grapes.

[quote]I can’t believe we live in a world where so many people are siding with terrorists who raped and murdered civilian women and children.

This is full on extremist horseshit. Wanting innocent civilians (particularly children) in Gaza to stop being brutally killed, maimed and starved en masse does not equate to siding with terrorists. It absolutely doesn't.

For r457,r459,r461,r462,r463🙏

For all of combatting R473, don't waste your energy. I tried yesterday because I was kind of bored and his ignorance was annoying enough that I got involved. I am not sure if he is the same guy how does the crazy capitlizations in this and other threads alone - BUT he is like the Energizer Bunny, he is a vacuum. Actually he may be a BOT. I am not sure. He is just so relentless. Anyway, don't be too concerned about what he says. I don't know why we are actually getting upset getting into discussions with these people. Israel is doing exactly what it wants to do, needs to do, should do. Nothing these people say will stop them OR change the minds of people who actually understand what the fuck is going on. No need to fight WHEN you're getting your way. So it's best to let people like him twist in the dust.

[quote] Israel is doing exactly what it wants to do, needs to do, should do.

It’s committing war crime after war crime after war crime and you just sit there with your head in the sand wanking to pictures of Tel Aviv pride on Instagram, having never gone there yourself. Get a grip babe.

There are only two possible solutions to this problem:

1. Execute all Muslims

2. Put all Muslims in a cult deprogramming boot camp

Neither one is going to happen. We’re fucked.

R476 War crimes? You mean like putting babies in ovens?

R478 yes I’m not denying atrocities by both Hamas and the IDF (altho I’m not sure if some of the things Israel claimed happened, happened (incl the burning babies story)). But at this point, the quantity and frequency of war crimes is much higher by the IDF than Hamas. A ceasefire is needed, and Israel should be sanctioned by the international community if they won’t stop.

R476 It is not, in fact, committing war crime after war crime. That may be your opinion. But it is not fact. Two articles for you:

"...Even worse, Hamas is helped by an enormous amount of public ignorance combined with outright misinformation. The average journalist — much less the average citizen — doesn’t know much, if anything, about the laws of war. Let’s take, for example, two key legal concepts that will be relevant every single day of the fighting in Gaza: proportionality and distinction...."

R476 And the second (from The Atlantic):

"Although there is a strong instinct to make this a Holocaust-mirroring “genocide,” it is not: The Palestinians suffer from many things, including military occupation; settler intimidation and violence; corrupt Palestinian political leadership; callous neglect by their brethren in more than 20 Arab states; the rejection by Yasser Arafat, the late Palestinian leader, of compromise plans that would have seen the creation of an independent Palestinian state; and so on. None of this constitutes genocide, or anything like genocide. The Israeli goal in Gaza—for practical reasons, among others—is to minimize the number of Palestinian civilians killed. Hamas and like-minded organizations have made it abundantly clear over the years that maximizing the number of Palestinian casualties is in their strategic interest. (Put aside all of this and consider: The world Jewish population is still smaller than it was in 1939, because of the damage done by the Nazis. The Palestinian population has grown, and continues to grow. Demographic shrinkage is one obvious marker of genocide. In total, roughly 120,000 Arabs and Jews have been killed in the conflict over Palestine and Israel since 1860. By contrast, at least 500,000 people, mainly civilians, have been killed in the Syrian civil war since it began in 2011.)"

R476 And the second (from The Atlantic):

"Although there is a strong instinct to make this a Holocaust-mirroring “genocide,” it is not: The Palestinians suffer from many things, including military occupation; settler intimidation and violence; corrupt Palestinian political leadership; callous neglect by their brethren in more than 20 Arab states; the rejection by Yasser Arafat, the late Palestinian leader, of compromise plans that would have seen the creation of an independent Palestinian state; and so on. None of this constitutes genocide, or anything like genocide. The Israeli goal in Gaza—for practical reasons, among others—is to minimize the number of Palestinian civilians killed. Hamas and like-minded organizations have made it abundantly clear over the years that maximizing the number of Palestinian casualties is in their strategic interest. (Put aside all of this and consider: The world Jewish population is still smaller than it was in 1939, because of the damage done by the Nazis. The Palestinian population has grown, and continues to grow. Demographic shrinkage is one obvious marker of genocide. In total, roughly 120,000 Arabs and Jews have been killed in the conflict over Palestine and Israel since 1860. By contrast, at least 500,000 people, mainly civilians, have been killed in the Syrian civil war since it began in 2011.)"

R476 And the Second. From the Atlantic—"The Decolonization Narrative Is Dangerous and False: It does not accurately describe either the foundation of Israel or the tragedy of the Palestinians."

^ Oh bother. Apologies for the triple post. It didn't seem like it was working so I tried, tried again.

Question for R476, in 2005 when Palestinians got everything it wanted from Israel and had the biggest opportunity to govern themselves and achieve statehood, what did they do?

R485 They immediately tore apart and looted $14 million worth of greenhouses (gifted to Palestine by Jewish American donors and assembled by the IDF) that were intended to be a significant agricultural resource for Gazans.

Well the Pro-Palestinian groups in America are revealing themselves to be the nut-jobs they are including killing Jewish people. As shrill as their cries are, I don't think they will have the momentum to last. They'll get bored and move onto something else. But I think the average person is beginning to see how out of touch with reality they really are.

Moderate liberals need to be more vocal about issues in their party they don't necessarily agree with. Because as the pendulum swings between the extremes, (between the trans-issues vs gays, pronouns, political correctness, immigration, defunding the police, BLM scandals, and now a pro-palestinian movement) I can see how someone can start flirting with conservatism. You look around and realize your own party doesn't reflect your core values anymore. I'll never be a Trumper but I am beginning to realize how annoying and crazy we look to the rest of the world.

[quote] Demographic shrinkage is one obvious marker of genocide. In total, roughly 120,000 Arabs and Jews have been killed in the conflict over Palestine and Israel since 1860. By contrast, at least 500,000 people, mainly civilians, have been killed in the Syrian civil war since it began in 2011.)"

That number can’t be right. 120,000? And nobody gives a thought to Syria today.

And here is a comprehensive list of all Israeli terrorist victims since 1993—in case anyone needs an illustration of why Israel was forced to erect border walls and checkpoints.

There's also the matter of how many Israelis Hamas would have killed with their constant rocket barrages since Oct. 7 if the Iron Dome wasn't so effective.

To compare, America, with a population of around 333 million (compared to Israel's 9.5 million) lost 3,066 Americans in terrorist attacks between 9/11/2001 through 2/31/2014, including perpetrators and excluding deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. And 2,902 of those attacks were on 9/11.

R488 I looked into it—his numbers check out. Not counting casualties since October 7th, we have about 116,300 deaths on both side. This is 1860-2021:

The building where the weapons productions site was located was also near schools. The IDF published footage showing the weapons storage site next to rooms where children sleep.

You're Johnny On the History Spot, r466. AKA:

DUH!!!!!!!

Israel? More like “Gaza under attack from land and air”.

I’ve watched some parts of an interview with Golda Meir and what she said should be taught to young people. She said that living in Palestine under the British mandate, there were just Jews and Arabs as the two big groups who lived there. There was no third group separate from them known as Palestinians. In fact, since both Jews and Arabs lived in Palestine, they were all “Palestinians”. People can’t grasp how what we call Palestinian after 1948 is a made-up identity pulled out of the air. They’re Arabs, who have many homelands already.

[quote] The Israeli goal in Gaza—for practical reasons, among others—is to minimize the number of Palestinian civilians killed.

Give me a fucking break R482. You expect to be taken seriously and quote this, as if it’s true, in the same breath? 😂😂😂

Yeah r496, because we all know Golda Meir is an objective source of information on this topic.

Yes, I do, R497. Unless you've somehow been made privy to top secret IDF intelligence reports and military strategy that you'd like to share with the class?

I won’t share it but the photo of the young hostage is so upsetting.

From an opinion piece I read today: If these people (Queers for Palestine) actually went to Palestine, especially Hamas-ruled Gaza, their pronouns would be “was / were”.

Does anyone think there is truth to this? I know there are a lot of conspiracy theories, but this is an interesting one. And of course Israel was attacked on Oct 7th with many left questioning why weren't they more prepared and where was the protection - especially when they were warned by various intelligence agencies something was going to happen. Sometimes this is the way nations work to get the world behind them, by lifting their hand of protection, sacrificing citizens for the better of the whole. Who knows.

The Real Reason for the War in Israel:

No. That’s a total made up TikTok conspiracy theory, with only wild conjecture and insinuation to back it up. It will have a long life on social media.

Yeah R503 You’re going to get your information from a guy on Instagram with earrings and a neck tattoo.

^ Thanks for letting me know R504. What makes you say that it's wild conjecture.

Because he provides zero evidence for his claim. And he admits it. That generally is a problem for argumentation, but it’s actually a bonus on TikTok.

Well R507, I would imagine the articles he points to are what he offers up as proof. Of course he is not sitting in Israel's war room privy to top secret information. But the fact that there is a canal planned that would go straight through Israel and possibly Gaza is documented.

You “would imagine”, r507. The canal has been “planned” since the 60s. And to believe your wacky spitballing, we also have to accept that Israel encouraged the Hamas attacks. This kind of logic makes addressing problems nearly impossible. Minimal wisdom and maximal creativity. But you do you.

Mr FAFO has made MSNBC! How long before Medhi Hasan arranges an exclusive interview?

[quote]BREAKING: Hamas snipers firing at people attempting to evacuate Al-Nasr hospital after Israel convinced them to leave.

[quote]Earlier, Israel surrounded the hospital, and three others, with tanks after dropping concussive explosives around the hospital to convince people to leave.

Emmanuel Macron-the only world 🌎 leader with balls. ❤️🙏

Ukrainians know what big balls Macron has.

From a French Israeli:

I took a bit of a break from Twitter yesterday.

This morning when I got up I discovered:

- Macron who will not go to the demonstration against anti-Semitism

- Macron's remarks to the BBC

- The extreme left who meet in front of the Vel d'Hiv (dead Jews are better)

- Guiraud who spews Islamist propaganda in Tunis

- Quatennens who invites a man who celebrated the pogrom

Another great day to be Jewish.

Of all the European nations France has the biggest problem with antisemitism AND islamism.

Marie le Pen has decided she dislikes Muslims more than Jews and has been tentatively supportive of Israel.

Jean Luc Melanchon is the far left Holocaust denying Putin supporting antisemite who is too unpalatable even for THE GUARDIAN. Macron wants his votes.

And speaking of Islamist terrorism, the 3 women who attended a Palestine march with pictures of paragliders on their backs have denied supporting terrorism.

One of them "wept".

I didn’t see the ‘wept’ part r515. Must have been edited out.

Sorry, it was "sobs" not "wept"

Thx r517. Still, no pic of remorseful or raging loud London lass tho.

This is her co-accused Pauline Ankunda.

Part her student pledge was to "Explore ways to improve Sports participation for QTIBIPOC"

The only people who use Indigenous in the UK are the far right who want to deport people like Pauline

R519 Notice how they've taken it upon themselves to cut the GLB out to replace with 'BIPOC'. Masks are coming off everywhere.

So gays and lesbians are the queers now but not transgenders or intersex people according to this qitbipoc organization. Interesting. I thought queer was an umbrella term but now it seems that it only applies to gays and lesbians.

R521 No we're not. They've just blatantly cut us out, like they always really wanted to do.

Queer is an inclusive term for LGB because it includes straight people with green hair.

The NYTs and WSJ have articles about how the kids at the rave sought refuge in bomb shelters which the hamas islamic terrorists turned into, basically, slaughter rooms with grenades and bullets.

The WSJ article focuses on a Tibetan college exchange student who saved the lives of his friends by throwing a grenade out of a shelter. He, however, is missing.

The barbarity that took place on October 7th is beyond words

"Yeah [R503] You’re going to get your information from a guy on Instagram with earrings and a neck tattoo" And yet the guys in suits with real power dropping bombs are the one's we're supposed to listen to, r505?😩🤣🤮🥺 And you're calling r503 an idiot???🥴😭🤣🥺😜

If drop the GLB achieves the same result as dropping the TQ+, I am okay with it.

The NYTs and WSJ have articles about how the kids at the rave sought refuge in bomb shelters which the hamas islamic terrorists turned into, basically, slaughter rooms with grenades and bullets. The WSJ article focuses on a Tibetan college exchange student who saved the lives of his friends by throwing a grenade out of a shelter. He, however, is missing. The barbarity that took place on October 7th is beyond words

And there are still people, including those who post on Datalounge, who shrug at this and think it was justiable.

R527 - same people who will angrily rip down signs of kidnapped elderly people and babies. Because it’s “propaganda.”

But Jews are expected to tolerate antisemitic graffiti everywhere.

Today in London there was a far right protest in the morning where there were arrests, followed by the Palestine march in the afternoon, which is still ongoing.

At the Palestine march there were countless racist posters, racist chants, assaults, support for terrorist groups, flares set off outside a synagogue, a government minister followed for a while with abuse shouted at him, including homophobic abuse (he is straight)

The media: the Palestine march was peaceful. So much for Jews controlling it.

Oh, no! Netanyahu has just announced a “he broke it, he bought it” policy for Gaza! He claims the steaming pile of rubble for Israel.

You referring to the upcoming occupation after the war? Makes sense if you want to keep Hamas from restarting. I'm sure the average Israeli isn't too thrilled about Bibi's announcement though.

R530, Netanyahu has said that before. Biden told him that’s a bad idea (true), and he seemed to back off. He may have felt pressure to make the new announcement because there have been some discussions about bringing in the Palestinian Authority to run both Gaza and the West Bank, and Netanyahu does not want that.

I'm hearing people call for extracting Hamas from the Palestinians, and I'm hearing people say that Hamas and the Palestinians are absolutely inseparable. And as a casual observer of the Mideast I'm willing to admit I don't know if they're inseparable or not.

Well I would imagine at this point, after twenty years of Hamas rule and most of their population being raised underneath it, Palestinians probably aren't the brightest bulbs in the closet. I mean their educational needs, outside of nonstop propaganda to radicalize them, was not at the forefront of Hamas's objectives. So I kind of see them as an abused wife defending their man AS he beats her. So you probably have to go in and extract them against their will for their own good. But ain't nobody got time for that.

The crazy thing when you think of it is that when you talk about the women and children in Gaza, it's probably a 17yo girl with two kids, when you consider the only role for women under Hamas is to bear male children. And this is the society Pro-Palestinian supporters are fighting for.

Meanwhile these same people were probably rending their clothes in the streets over the death of Armita Geravand, the 16 yo Iranian girl who died after her encounter with the Morality Police for not covering her head in public.

Idiots...

[quote]So you probably have to go in and extract them against their will for their own good. But ain't nobody got time for that.

The Israelis may feel they have plenty of time for it, given they just lost thousands of their citizens in a terrorist invasion.

I'm fearful we're looking at longterm Israeli occupation of Gaza, at least north Gaza, post-invasion. Which may not be the worst outcome, given how little progress was being made under Hamas and the previous governing authority.

Not sure it will change anyone's mind but the EU and the US have confirmed Israeli reports that Hamas have their operational base under the hospital.

There's also footage of Israeli giving the hospital fuel, taken by Hamas, and Hamas taking food and water left for civilians.

It's still amazing that no one is curious as to how many of the 10,000 Gazan deaths are Hamas members. Israel have now reduced their death toll as they incorrectly included bodies of Hamas terrorists in the count. And that is despite the late reporting of Israeli deaths, presumed to have been taken hostage, with remains identified through DNA as the bodies were so badly destroyed.

Also disgraceful journalism by Ben Thompson who does a Kay Burley with a ridiculous question about "convenience".

Eylon Levy pushed back hard which probably made Ben twitch down there.

R537, I’m sure that Hamas’s operational base was under the hospital, but, given the tunnel system, surely they’ve had plenty of time to clear out.

The Hamas tunnels fascinate me, perhaps because I am claustrophobic. It seems unlikely that bombs have seriously affected them. Israel has said only that it has closed off numerous exits to the tunnels. Israeli soldiers have not gone into the tunnels, for good reason—they would be at an incredible disadvantage.

But that raises a question about the effectiveness and purpose of the bombing campaign. If Israel has not affected the higher levels of Hamas and has not really degraded the tunnels, what is it accomplishing?

R540, I am sure there are still above ground structures that they are dismantling as well. Not all of their operations are underground. I am sure the bombing isn't just to kill Hamas, but to completely destroy their ability to operate.

[quote]The Israelis may feel they have plenty of time for it, given they just lost thousands of their citizens in a terrorist invasion.

R536 I was referring to the fact that Israel has no time to separate Hamas from Palestinian now considering that is splitting hairs when it comes to the distinction, sorting through long and short grains of rice.

Israel know where the rockets have been fired from - next to schools, hospitals, next to houses, from tall buildings including the one used by Associated Press 2 years ago. Nearly 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel since October 7th and they are all legitimate targets.

R542, do you know the story of the Catholic Church's crusade against the heretic Cathers in Southern France? The Church's troops were about to attack a town named Beziers, and asked how they were supposed to tell the Catholics from the heretics among them. A representative of the Pope said, "Kill them all, God will recognize his own." So, yes, they killed all 20,000 people.

Quick, yes, but even in 1209 that was considered a bit much.

Hamas could be murdering Gazans by the thousands on camera and the pro Palestine protestors (educated by tik tok) would still call you a liar and scream about genocide and apartheid.

They categorically refuse to acknowledge anyone having responsibility except the Israelis.

The mob mentality is terrifying.

[quote]Quick, yes, but even in 1209 that was considered a bit much.

A bit much, yet a bit right.

[quote]Not sure it will change anyone's mind but the EU and the US have confirmed Israeli reports that Hamas have their operational base under the hospital.

Which is a war crime, not that it matters to anyone protesting Israel's war crimes.

Netanyahu is a viciously violent man, it's innate. There won't be peace until he is gone.

R537, do you have a link to any of the evidence that the US or EU found? I don’t doubt this, but the amount of misrepresentation on both sides has made me extremely leery of any claim that is not backed up.

I can’t find the statement from the EU but here is Reuters write up

Thanks, r551. The NYT also now has this as its top story.

For all you blood thirsty commenters who support this atrocity of killing innocent newborns and healthcare workers, this should make you laugh. The fact that America is financially backing this genocide is astounding.

God bless those poor babies and the doctors and nurses who tried to look after them.

R552 is sharing tweets from a pro Assad pro Putin account including the convicted paedophile Scott Ritter who filmed himself performing Nazi salutes.

Not a credible account

Well who better to support the sanctity of life than Assad R553?

And who better to fairly judge the Israelis than a Nazi?

And who better to provide objective information that certainly isn’t just troll farm trolling than Putin?

Guess who wrote this tweet?

Islamist?

Far right neo nazi?

Graduate progressive?

Anti Zionists self identifying Jew?

Israel is making people take a second look at Hitler. This is how bad Bibi is. You see enough dead kids and Israeli administration from top to bottom as well as the settlers enjoying the whole thing, all in the name of Jews, and you see them lie about it over and over and over, suddenly you start to question WWII. Satanyahu is making Jews unsafe everywhere.

Amen. If this guy is a DLer, hugs and kisses to you sir.

Ew R556 he’s so gross, as bad as Noah Schnapp.

In point of fact, r555, we haven't seen the number of bodies claimed by a terrorist organization as Israeli victims. Palestinians seem to use an arithmetic base system that automatically adds (at least) a "0" to death and injury tolls.

You know who isn't equating Israelis with Nazis, r555?

The families of the 241 US Marines blown up in Beirut. The families of the Pan Am 103 "souls on board." The family of Leon Klinghoffer, shot and thrown overboard of the Achilles Lauro out of Egypt. The families of the Lod, Rome, and Vienna Airports terrorist victims. The family of Robert Stethem, murdered when TWA 847 was hijacked after take-off from Athens. The family of Dora Bloch, forever missing after the hijacking of an Air France plane to Entebbe Airport, Uganda. The family of the Israeli murdered in the attack on an El Al plane in Athens. The families and teammates of 11 Israeli athletes slain at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

And innumerable others mourning their slaughtered relatives, friends, and associates around the world, victims of Palestinian and pro-Palestinian (e g., Baader-Meinhof; Japanese Red Army; etc.).

The PLO. Hamas. Hezbollah. Black September. PFLP.

7th-century men vowing to wipe modern Israel off the map.

So facile, so ignorant, so vile to call Israelis "Nazis."

R558 - I agree with everything you said.

My post at R555 was that the "Maybe Hitler had a point" tweet could have come from a Nazi or a Palestinian supporter.

I agree it is deeply hateful to call Jews Nazis.

A crank call to Harvard admissions.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Swastika woman above is a PSYCHOTHERAPIST FFS

[quote]After being approached by the Mail, Terry Varnfield, who was pictured alongside his wife at the march, defended the sign and claimed it was not antisemitic.

[quote]He said: 'The message on the placard read: No British Politician Should Be A 'Friend of Israel' which is a statement that is not anti-semitic or offensive.

[quote]'The symbol used is the Raelism religion symbol, a combination of both the Star of David and the Swastika but meaning peace and love.'

[quote]Raelism is described as a UFO religion that was founded in the 1970s in France, teaching that an extraterrestrial species created humanity.

I don't know how many "Peace and Love" posters have blood splattered on them. She backtracked all the way up her own colon on that one.

Swastika woman and her husband are currently visiting a police station to discuss what they did at the weekend

[quote]Well who better to support the sanctity of life than Assad

Guess who's killed more Arabs than Israel? Assad. That explains all the protests against him and his regime.

[quote]For all you blood thirsty commenters who support this atrocity of killing innocent newborns and healthcare workers,

[bold]Heroic Israeli paramedic died saving others in clinic raided by Hamas terrorists[/bold]

A heroic 22-year-old Israeli ambulance paramedic spent her final hours trying to help the wounded inside a clinic that was overrun by rampaging Hamas terrorists, as revealed in heartbreaking text messages sent to her sisters as the carnage unfolded.

Amit Mann spent six hellish hours Saturday sheltering inside the medical facility in Kibbutz Be’eri in southern Israel near the Gaza border with dead bodies and bleeding victims, reported the Israel news outlet Ynet.

Throughout the harrowing ordeal, with armed militants closing in, Mann communicated with her sisters, Haviva Isaacson and Lior, via WhatsApp, repeatedly asking them for updates on the military’s movements and desperately pleading for help.

more at link

[quote]For all you blood thirsty commenters who support this atrocity of killing innocent newborns and healthcare workers [bold]who had the misfortune of being located above a Hamas command center[/bold],

Fixed yer typo, hon.

Seems important.

The IDF have been in one of the Hamas centres under a hospital

Of course, the flaming prancing idiot queen featured in r556 fails to mention that the staunchest pro-Israel supporters in the US are TRUMPERS, making his absurd analogy ironic to the extreme.

The mother of two little girls lives in Khirbet Susiya, a village in the South Hebron Hills in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. A month ago, while the family was asleep, Israeli settlers raided her family's home, beat her husband and threatened them with an ultimatum.

"You have to leave the place. If you don't leave, we will shoot you. And you must destroy your home," said Abu Eid, relating the warning she received that night.

Since the Israel-Hamas war started, Abu Eid said, settlers have intensified their pressure on the residents of Khirbit Susiya. "They are ransacking, destroying and terrorizing us, and the last time they also attacked my husband and his brother-in-law." One of her daughters was vomiting out of fear, she said.

[quote]Of course, the flaming prancing idiot queen featured in [R556] fails to mention that the staunchest pro-Israel supporters in the US are TRUMPERS, making his absurd analogy ironic to the extreme.

Oh please, the Trumpers don't support Israel, they just hate brown people and Muslims. They would cut funding to Israel in a second if Trump gets back in, the same with Ukraine. They are no friends of Jews.

^ nice mental gymnastics, but you’re an idiot to deny the obvious fact that your average Trumper is very much pro-Israel. The motivation or impetus behind that support is irrelevant.

Not that you'll be willing to listen but away from the far right and far left support of Israel is pretty unremarkable.

Most people are able to hold several views at the same time. Israel has a right to exist, peace with Palestinians has been rejected by Palestinian leaders, the West Bank settlements are a disgrace, Netanyahu is a corrupt and unpopular leader, Hamas are a terrorist group who perpetrated an appalling atrocity against Israel, Israel has a right to defend itself and get the hostages back safely, the scenes of dead civilians in Gaza has been appalling, Hamas have also killed civilians and are using human shields and hospitals to protect themselves.

For all the talk of "a proportionate response" people will criticise the air strikes and ground force but won't say what Israel should have been allowed to do in response to 7th October. And when people aren't prepared to say it means Israel shouldn't be allowed to do anything.

A lot of them support Israel because they want the temple to be rebuilt, all the Jews killed and the abomination that caused desolation set up in the ruins of the third temple which they think will bring on a thousand year reign of them being in charge. I do think the motivation is relevant.

Thank you R573 for succinct and accurate description of what many of us believe.

Canadian Israeli peace campaigner Vivian Silver was presumed to have been taken to Gaza as a hostage but her remains have been identified after 5 weeks. Her son did a lot of interviews to raise awareness.

There are several people who have been confirmed dead in the last few days, who were initially thought to be hostages.

Bodies were burned so badly that DNA tests are being undertaken on bone fragments found in ashes.

The efforts Israel are putting in to identify the dead.

That's awful, R576. I was really hoping that she (along with the all the others) would be alive and released by the terrorists.

Here's a bit more about Vivian. What an absolute travesty. All the good work this woman did to help Palestinians and Hamas still killed her.

Hamas killed several Arab Bedouins in their vile killing spree r579. Their bloodthirst wasn't limited to the Jewish settlers. Not at all - they sprayed a car clearly being driven by an Arab woman in a hijab, killing her instantly. Then they proceeded to chase her husband (holding their small child) into a shelter, nearly killing them as well if the IDF didn't show up at the last minute.

Oh FFS

It's so sad the way the Israelis keep butchering women and children, killing multi generational families in a single bomb attack, bombing hospitals, murdering everyone inside, using snipers to murder patients inside those hospitals, assassinating Arab journalists covering the atrocities.

It's so sad. What can you do?

The poor Israelis.

Simple, R582, Hamas can surrender and return all the hostages.

All this blood is on the hands of hamas, but islamic terrorist and millions of muslims live for bloodshed and depravity, just like their prophet of peace. They are following in his bloody footsteps as muslims have been doing nonstop for the past 1,300 years,

I don't like Anthony, but he's not wrong here.

r581 Oh, herrrrr...

R580, they also killed or kidnapped Thai exchange students. The islamic terrorists' main goal was to torture, rape, kidnap and kill as many Jewish men, women, children and infants they could fine, but any infidel is worthy of death, as directed by their prophet of peace and sanctified by their great allah. As long as they kill a Jew or any infidel, they go straight to islamic paradise and get their 70 virgins.

[quote]It's so sad the way the Israelis keep butchering women and children, killing multi generational families in a single bomb attac

It is so very sad to read about women and children being butchered and entire families being killed in a single attack:

[quote]Mr Ben Zion said Hamas gunmen who killed families, including babies, were "just a jihad machine to kill everybody, [people] without weapons, without nothing, just normal citizens that want to take their breakfast and that's all."

. . .

[quote]Another officer pointed to a bloodied purple sleeping bag. A swollen toe poked out. He said the woman underneath had been killed and decapitated in her front garden. I did not ask the officer to move the sleeping bag to inspect her body. A few yards away was the blackened, swollen corpse of a dead Hamas gunman.

more at link

Israel under attack from land, air, and the Internet. This has turned into a propaganda war more than anything. And Russia and China, experts of propaganda, are cheering as the Western populace argue and protest over a Middle Eastern conflict. Which conveniently for them, with the Israel-Palestine conflict ongoing, people aren’t focused on Ukraine and the Uyghur conflict.

He's getting destroyed in the replies. What's your point about this non entity on X?

Having lived through Trump, I think we all can commiserate about about having an insane right wing criminal fronting the country. Netanyahu does not represent all Israelis/Jews.

I get having sympathy for civilians in Gaza but it’s like these crazy people on the far left are trying to deny Hamas does anything bad. And have they all forgotten about the terrorist attack on innocent people who were murdered and raped just over. A month ago? What is Israel supposed to do ask Hamas nicely to stop? If it were me and I knew my sister, nieces or parents could be kidnapped assaulted or murdered I’d want my government to be as brutal as they had to be.

You’d want the government to go and kill people who had nothing to do with it? Strange. I would not want that.

If that's what it took to reach the people who had something to do with it, yes. It would be awful for the soldiers and worse for the people killed, but that might be what's necessary when dealing with a depraved adversary.

How many uninvolved people are you allowed to kill whilst still maintaining the moral high ground?

How many civilians are terrorists allowed to put in harm's way?

[quote]How many uninvolved people are you allowed to kill whilst still maintaining the moral high ground?

Do Europeans ever acknowledge Israel having the moral high ground?

New thread for Part 7

R593 what percentage of uninvolved people were killed on October 7th? I think as long as Israel has a lower percentage of involved to uninvolved among the dead then Hamas had on the 7th then they retain the moral high ground. Unless and until Hamas surrender and return the hostages.

Correction: Higher percentage of involved to uninvolved

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