A&F ex CEO Mike Jeffries accused of exploiting men for gay sex

Who ever could have guessed this?

gayface

Is that wrong? I gotta tell ya, if I knew that sort of thing was frowned upon, I never would have done it.

They got paid?!

Is this the dude who refused to hire Black people or those with natural, un-relaxed hair to work in their stores?

Speaking of "work," wtf is up with that guy's face? Was he in a fire or something?

This perfectly captures the anti-vagina culture at A&F.

I wonder did his Hamptons house have that overbearing odour of Abercrombie fragrance that meant you could smell the stores before you could see them.

[quote]The eight men who attended the events said they were recruited by a middleman, who they described as having a missing nose covered with a snakeskin patch. The BBC has identified him as James Jacobson.

Between this freak and Jeffries' misadventures in plastic surgery, they could be actual Bond villains

Someone's plastic surgery is falling apart!!

Seriously Bad.

So odd! We were just wondering what happened to him!

Right r5?

He’s like a mashup of Liberace and Gary Busey.

Thanks for that mental image, R11.

Thanks a LOT!

Anthony Watson currently sweating a lot, hoping Michael Cohen doesn't squeal.

Innocent until proven guilty!

R8 That photo of Jacobson in the article is like something out of Blue Velvet. Terrifying!

Oh god, Barrett Pall is interviewed. Again.

dumb people should be taught that perverts are a thing.

r13 It'd be interesting to see if the two circles do connect. Though my feeling is Watson was so blatant it probably ensured the more discreet types avoided him

Go easy on him, he's a burn victim.

They were all grown ass men. No prosecutor will bite. A scathing documentary at most.

Because there was no power imbalance there at all.

This is disgusting. Jeffries, Smith, and Jacobson coerced these men to commit sex acts.

It's a cross between the Weinstein's abuse and the Epstein scandal.

But it doesn’t sound like any of them were raped.

r23

[quote]. Alex said he woke up with a condom inside him and feared that the champagne he had been given earlier had been spiked.

[quote]"When I put things together, I believe there is a very good possibility I was drugged and raped. I'll probably never, never know for sure the answer of what happened," he said.

David Bradberry of Active Duty, yes?

A pre-emptive question to anyone who's going to try and defend these scumbags: why didn't they just hire escorts? The answer, of course, being that they wanted to exploit people, that's what actually gets them off. So save the "these guys knew what was expected of them" bullshit.

[quote]Wildensteinface

Fixed it for you, r2.

The one who may have been drugged or too drunk to consent? Ok. That is rape. Tricking people is also wrong too. However, if some guy approaches you and says “this rich guy wants to fuck you on an island for money,” and you go and fuck the rich guy for money, you weren’t really a victim, even if you regret it.

This is probably the most okay pic of him.

"I'm 105 but people think I'm 29."

What, was my invitation lost in the mail? Bitches.

Adding additional noir details to this sordid tale, the middleman recruiter was a noseless man named Jacobson who wore a snakeskin patch where his nose should have been. Now that's a detail I didn't see coming. All details in link at R1.

God he's a male Jocelyn Wildenstein.

Thank you, R26!

This “bes” is a decade old. Catch up. 😴

His face is a warning for Ronan Farrow about the perils of plastic surgery

Thanks r24, I missed that one.

FFS - it's not "exploiting" unless there is a quid pro quo.

Unless there was some sort of promise to work as an AF model, they were paid to go to a party.

If you don't know that getting paid to go to a party makes you a hooker, or at least a presumptive hooker, you're simply too stupid to live. If you went to a party to party, then unless you were held captive, anything you did once there was your own decision, and again, not exploitative.

r38 Just going to skip over how they were promised work? Going to skip over how the payments (and NDAs) came after everything? Didn't even read the article, did you?

[quote]Half the men who told the BBC about their recruitment alleged they had been initially misled about the nature of the events or not told sex was involved.

[quote]Several told the BBC the middleman or other recruiters raised the possibility of modelling opportunities with A&F.

[quote]Afterwards, the men said staff at the event handed them envelopes filled with thousands of dollars in cash.

Aging Money-Grubbing Whores revise consent decades later as their looks fade and they turn into asexual, dopamine/hormone deficient curmudgeons.

More at 11.

‘But the couple's middleman denied any wrongdoing and said men went into these events "with their eyes wide open".’

They came out with their holes wide open.

R40 = Mike Jeffries

-At the Hamptons, Mr Bradberry said he spoke to Mr Jeffries and Mr Smith about his aspirations to be an A&F model. Later, he said, Mr Jeffries held "poppers" under his nose - a drug which can cause a strong head-rush and disorientation - and later had sex with him.-

…Oh god, this histrionic queen. She’s just pissed she’s not Brad Pitt now and looks like a convenience store worker.

Apparently everyone in fashion has tried to rape Barrett Pall. Why didn't anyone tell Barrett that he was far too short to be a model and anyone saying otherwise just wanted to rape him?

[quote]If you don't know that getting paid to go to a party makes you a hooker, or at least a presumptive hooker, you're simply too stupid to live.

Yeah, I'd like to Jeffries testify to that in court. "I hired prostitutes, not models, to mingle with guests at my parties." Then he can present the employment contracts spelling that out.

"We will NEVER stop blaming victims, defending abusers, and downplaying sexual assault!!"

I once (just once!) stayed at the Villa San Michele with my partner. We ended up seated at the pool next to the most bizarre gay couple—they were completely self involved and would not even acknowledge any hello in English or Italian—at any point during our stay.

…it was the cryptkeeper Jeffries and his then partner. *shudders*

I got “raped” at the fashion parties I went to every night, and kept going night after night. They would put their big cocks in my tight, little, pink virgin hole and shoot gushing, juicy loads in me every night. I also post racist shit about Asians on Twitter. - Barrett P.

Doesn’t sound like rape-rape to me.

R13, I was about to mention Anthony Watson and Michael Cohen. When are those creeps (and Jeff Davis and the rest of their crew) gonna get what they deserve?

R50 Watson probably has BM on high ups. MC was run out of town.

R2- PLASTIC SURGERY face too.

“He’s rich, I’m not, I’m mad!” - Self-stylized Victim

[quote]Go easy on him, he's a burn victim.

I'm not sure if this is serious? I want to know whether I should stop making fun of his face.

He was burned by his heterosexual life of lies.

What do you mean we’re not all gray Ace and doing things out of the goodness of our hearts? You mean to tell me that people use manipulation and their power to procure sex? This must be an misunderstanding, totally.

Horrified by the pictures of this plastic surgery victim and the freaky guy with the missing nose

Cher didn’t even want to work him!

Who was the "older model" who was supporting Barrett Pall?

I just can't believe it

Did the guy with the nose patch take it off and give guys a “nose job?” They must have been super-drunk to not scream in horror.

[quote] face allegations of exploitation from men recruited for sex events they hosted

Hang on….if they recruited men for sex events, it sounds like they held orgies/sex parties. Were the men not told they were being invited to a sex party! If not, that’s not good. If they were told, what’s the problem? They’re consenting adults.

Those lips!

Noseless guy is to Mike Jeffries what Dylan Geick and Michael Cohen are to Anthony Watson

The noseless guy.

Ye gads!

Just appalling

[quote]"leave my name out and I’ll tell you everything”

Oh yeah, he sounds totally innocent.

The noseless guy is out of my darkest nightmare

With a face like that no wonder all the stores were poorly lit

David Fincher needs to make a movie about this.

Steve Buscemi IS noiseless guy

^ ugh, should be noseless guy

Ronan Farrow IS Mike Jeffries!

I knew I has seed him somewhere!

I was molested!

Where did his nose go? Coke habit like Artie Lange? Leprosy?

^ Or too many nosejobs like Michael Jackson

This is so unsurprising that I'm surprised it was even reported. When all the threads about Jefferies were posted on DL a decade or so ago I immediately knew he would have been a huge sleeze and using his CEO powers, he would have been up to all sorts of unsavoury things with boys in the background.

Barrett is doing an “update on the standards” album with Gaga titled ‘Hole for Sale’.

I didn’t know the elephant man was the CEO of A&F!

He looks a few surgeries away from being that "human ken doll" person.

R81, that's an apt comparison!

Fruit, vegetable or mineral?

Fruity mineral

Many beautiful young people are eager to trade their youth and beauty for jobs, money, introductions, and trips, and guys like Mike Jeffries at least make it easy for them to know where to start!

Thunderbirds Are Go!

The ONLY thing that victimized these guys is their own stupidity.

At a certain point, you have to accept people have agency and make horribly poor choices because they are looking for a shortcut to the lifestyles of the rich and famous.

You don't have to be a veteran model to know that modeling gigs are NOT booked this way. Several of the guys admit they KNEW sex was involved, but claim they didn't know what was expected...uh, sex? You cannot tell me that when these guys discussed this situation with friends and family, not one person told them it was sketchy. But they went anyway - or they didn't tell people because they knew it was sketchy and went anyway.

I'm NOT saying what Jeffries did wasn't gross and likely illegal. But, people crying victim now are looking for a big payday, nothing more, nothing less. Let's not canonize them as martyrs and saints whose virtue, purity, and innocence was burned at the alter of the wicked homosexualist CEO.

I guess I was a big whore because in my 20s I cheerfully fucked hot 30 something rich dudes for all kinds fun experiences. Never complained about it! You could always say no, or not see a guy again if he starts to creep you out.

This is why I shop at Hollister.

[quote] I guess I was a big whore because in my 20s I cheerfully fucked hot 30 something rich dudes for all kinds fun experiences.

That's one thing, but Mike Jeffries is neither 30 something or hot...

Nobody forced them to fuck this gross dude.

[quote] I guess I was a big whore because in my 20s I cheerfully fucked hot 30 something rich dudes for all kinds fun experiences. Never complained about it! You could always say no, or not see a guy again if he starts to creep you out.

R89 Same here! I'll add, in my randy 20s I never wanted anything from the hot 30-something dudes except some good dick, and I was always delighted to share mine in return.

I can empathize with these guys, in that Jeffries and his ilk are vile, sleazy, and the very worst stereotypes of the superficial, narcissistic gay male. I can absolutely believe that they would use their money and influence to exploit the ambitions and vulnerability of guys looking for a break into modeling. But I also can't relate to these guys' situation on most levels, because I didn't pursue a line of work that was in any way overtly based on my looks. I'm certainly far from model material (far from even model-adjacent!), but I could look plenty worse and I've learned to be grateful and comfortable in my own skin. All of these MeToo situations we're learning about now -- I'd hope that if I were in a situation where someone was inviting me to a 1-on-1 meeting in a hotel room, or offering me money to "model" or "dance" at a gig in a faraway destination that in any way seemed questionable, that I'd have the good sense to protect myself and refuse. Depending on the circumstances, I'm sure it's easier said than done in many cases. I digress.

Any-hoo. If there is a shred of truth to these guys' allegations, then I hope they get some justice if that's what they're after.

Why do they always fuck with their lips?

The noiseless guy could easily access a better prosthetic...its obviously a gimmick he likes to scare people with. 😳 even if this was the best someone could do, some makeup or paint wud make it better. Scary dude.

Gee—Wally. Ya think. ^^

Oops. I meant R92 as a reply to R88, not R89.

Carry on!

Are we exclusionary? (If I ain’t buying you…) ABSOLUTELY

"I'm NOT saying what Jeffries did wasn't gross and likely illegal. But, people crying victim now are looking for a big payday, nothing more, nothing less"

So you admit Jeffries is gross and a criminal.....but then go back to attacking the victims

I'm 79, but I can pass for 19

Isn't David Geffen rumored to have parties like this?

Do I have the wrong person, or isn't David Bradberry one of the marine models for Active Duty , who also worked on the reality series below deck? I think he worked for the former around 2010 and the latter around 2014. If so, his exposure to mansex definitely did not start with one of these parties, as unpleasant as some of the experiences might have been for him.

At some point Barrett Pall must ask himself how he constantly found himself in these situations. Maybe it has something to do with the “older model who was supporting him”? Sounds like a sugardaddy/pimp to me.

I'd have to deaf and blind and drugged out of my mind to allow that creature to touch me. Those teeth of his look like they were made of piano keys.

[quote] I guess I was a big whore because in my 20s I cheerfully fucked hot 30 something rich dudes for all kinds fun experiences. Never complained about it! You could always say no, or not see a guy again if he starts to creep you out.

R88 You missed two things: some were told this would not involve sex. If you were an aspiring model, wouldn't you go to a party wheee the campaign lead photographer of a big label takes pictures of you? And second: If your drink is spiked you cannot leave. Glad you had fun and I'm not judgemental at all but misleading and drugging people is the problem here, not sex.

So many me here don’t seem to understand the concept of coercion.

R104 I see your point. I was responding to some general dismissals on this thread of these young men for their delusions that sex wouldn't be part of the exchange for access to something. Of course I don't truck with spike drinks and anyway, I agree that in what is a PROFESSIONAL context, there should be no quid pro quo for sex, at all. My flippant comment was about my private life affairs, yes.

R106 I see we're on the same page.

r101 And where in the article does he claim it was his first time with men? Oh, right, he doesn't.

r102 It's almost like once predators find a victim, they share him around.

r105 Oh, I think there are plenty here that understand it very well because they've done it themselves, hence being so desperate to try and defend these vile creatures

If an of age man is “recruited” for a sex party, he is not a victim of trafficking - or anything else. A blow job last a few minutes. A magazine cover lasts forever.

Golddigging Sluts get what they deserve.

L'amour peut faire aussi qu'un homme laid devienne beau.

r109 Someone can only be recruited for a sex party if they're told it's a sex party in advance.

r101 r25

His head is a festering boil in need of lancing.

2 thoughts:

1. Rep 14. Innocent until proven GAYlty!

2. When asked when asked "is he good goodlooking?", My answer is "he used to be". He's the definition of a girly man.

He needs to hire Perry Gayson.

In a 2006 interview with Salon, Jeffries stated that his clothing line was exclusively for "cool" people. Moreover, he has said he did not want overweight or unattractive people to wear his clothes.

R109, none of these people got any magazine covers out of this, so what is your point?

R117, that is a pretty funny statement coming from him, considering he's a deformed plastic surgery victim

R117 all the illegal aliens since 2008 didn’t get that memo

A&F is doing an internal investigation

This explains everything including its God awful appearance

Guilty! Of Love In The First Degree!

He went to his plastic surgeon and said "Give me the Jocelyn Wildenstein"

I’ll have what she’s having! 💉 ✂️ 🤡

I taught in hs for many years. One day one of my seniors asked if he could get an extension on his paper, because he was being flown to NY to model for A&F. He was not a traditional magazine model, but a hockey player with a rougher look than anyone I had seen on an AF page. When he came back, we sat down and he told me about what had happened. He wasn't modeling underwear, but would be a warrior who would be totally naked, except for a large broadsword in front of his privates. He was told to shave all of his body hair, as they didn't want to see pubes or chest hair. I asked if they thought warriors were hairless and he said that that was the AF look, so he did what they asked. Then he told me that there was a PA on the set who kept staring at him and smiling. After the shoot, the PA asked him out. He made and excuse that he was going to dinner with his relatives, so he declined. Apparently, the atmosphere was pretty creepy; the photographers were very professional, but the hangers-on were strange. I saw the shots later, which were very nicely done, but had absolutely nothing to do with underwear...or clothing, unless they were selling a cape and broadsword.

^ roflmao

He seriously looks like the elephant man in the face

Has anyone else seen the documentary - The Abercrombie Guys - The Dark Side of Cool - which accompanies the podcast? I'm watching this evening. It starts on dramatic and tearful testimony from Barrett Pall.

Not gayface

The article says Barrett Pall had been “paid for sex” prior to the incident. Do we have any details?

r131 Quote the part of the article where it says that.

Paragraph 6: “ Another interviewee, attorney Brad Edwards – who represented Jeffrey Epstein’s victims – hit the other nail on the head, outlining the reputational and legal ramifications of any attempted lawsuit. Bradberry had briefly worked in porn and Pall had been paid for sex before meeting Jacobson.”

Not sure if Pall was an escort per se but I’m guessing he was kept by a sugar daddy. I. The BBC article he says that he was asked by someone who had given him significant financial support to sub for him in a sex encounter with Jeffries. He was told the more he did sexually the more doors it would open for him. So in Pall’e case I don’t see the clear victim role he is playing at. He had traded sex for money (or maybe other financial supports like rent/housing) and knew that seeing Jeffries would involve sex. Pall always presents himself as a powerless victim when he talks about his many trades of sec for opportunity.

Pall seems broken yet annoying, too.

r133 Oh I thought you meant the BBC article, I missed the Belfast Telegraph one, apologies

r134 You don't see him as a victim simply because you don't want to. Being told you can stop at any time, but being trapped somewhere fairly remote, with no way to leave, and surrounded by staff for the freaks exploiting you...that all sounds fine with you?

As Dennis Reynolds would say, it's the implication

I've now watched the documentary. Panorama's The Abercrombie Guys: The Dark Side of Cool.

Pall is one of the two star witnesses along with another guy, who was a Marine and then dreamed to become a model.

I came away from the documentary better informed and with much more empathy for these two guys and their experiences. The set up is what I already knew. They were both guys who didn't have a good chance to be working successful male models. In fact, one of them now realizes that was part of the scenario. Pall, less so.

The marine had done a bit of porn. Pall was already being pimped out by his sugar daddy. When he was aspiring to be a model.

But as happens with personal interviews, the way they tell this sordid tale really humanizes it. They were both naive and unsophisticated and they both really hoped that this A&F connection was going to lead to A&F work as models. Pall had already worked in A&F as greeter in HS and the A&F "world" and "aesthetic" really pushed all his buttons. Pall grew up in a dysfunctional family.

OK sorry for the wordiness. The documentary invites an attorney who counsels in sex trafficking, and he explains the semi-secret, VERY complex and highly well oiled administration put in place by Jeffries and his BF and his assistants, to recruit and traffic deluded guys (who might like to be models) into their circuit of organized sex parties. Went on for years. It's FUCKING SORDID and likely CRIMINAL.

These two guys didn't stand a chance against and I came away from the documentary with a lot of empathy. Even though I think Pall is broken and also manipulative.

One got the impression Jeffries and his lieutenants entrapped many dozens of gullible guys over the years, most who were not officially paid whores, and many were aspiring models, but had already been judged by A&F to be unacceptable to be models, but acceptable to be orgy workers. They were paid $2500 cash per orgy.

Creepiest takeaway - an ex model, a woman, who has her own agency, and is discussing the working conditions for young people working as models, and who the system creates the conditions for sexual abuse, and she cracks a huge smile when she explains this.

Sordid sordid sordid documentary. The people on both sides of the events. The documentary itself. Very manipulative. Quite trashy of BBC One.

Bonus: there is a sordid HIV angle, of course. One straight guy duped into this orgy circuit is pretty sure he was roofied and raped in Morocco at an immense weekend orgy Jeffries had organised. Wakes up with a condom up his butt. Later seroconverts. All "allegedly". And this victim's identity is hidden.

[quote]I've now watched the documentary. Panorama's The Abercrombie Guys: The Dark Side of Cool.

And are you better for it? Is your life better?

Well I'm a bit better for it because I had quite negative impression of Pall for several years but this documentary really humanized him and I can understand his path in life has been.... complicated. Also I learned how sordid rich people can be with the power of their money to make it happen.

It's almost like predators deliberately go after people who can be easily dismissed if they speak out. Nah, just sit around waiting for the perfect victim to show up, meanwhile dismiss the guy who's been repeatedly sexually abused as "broken". Gee, I wonder why.

The noseless guy used to be a regular at the West Village dog run. There were rumors he was a pimp, but no confirmation until now. Nice guy, once you got to know him. Said the lack of a nose was due to botched surgery, but we always wondered why he didn't sue the doctors and get enough money for reconstruction.

I called Pall broken, previously up thread, and I think he is. Not because of this reported scenario. And I'm the guy who watched the documentary with is half based on Pall and he speaks generously and I changed my negative opinion about him. I think he's had a rough go since he was a teen. Bad decisions but also bad people around him. A lot o them.

r143 Well go on then, explain why you think he's "broken".

Paul seems to crop up every few years as survivor of homophobia and sexual abuse in the modeling industry but he never cut it as a model and was a kept boy with aspirations to be a model.

He's 35 years old and writes this on his YouTube channel: "Barrett has been a professional Life Coach for the last 8 years. He's worked with CEOs of fortune 500 companies, celebrities, Middle Eastern Royalty, and everyday incredible humans - because that is what we all are."

Watch a few of his YouTube videos and make up your own mind where he is and how he got there. To me, he's all over the map in his focus. He's not that bright, either. To me, he seems rudderless. Reading between the lines, I have suspected that he has not established a viable career in this 20s or 30s.

In this sense, I consider him broken. I don't think he's nasty or that he has bad will.

Pall not "Paul".

My take is not based on deep dive and I may well be wrong. I'm not all that interested in Pall to invest more time. But I'm glad I watched the documentary (that's an investment of time, more than some other posters in this thread) and saw another side to this story.

My eyes! WTF happened to his face? It's like he was the guinea pig for whoever destroyed Jocelyne Wildenstein.

Looks like he did buccal fat removal. He vaguely looks like younger Eric Roberts.

None of them had any suspicions about why they were receiving these offers?

None of them thought about turning around and walking out the door?

Sometimes if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't. And perhaps they were targeted because it was obvious they weren't the smartest kids in class.

I tend to think they knew exactly what they were trading - whether they were smart or dim - and are angry that they were deceived and didn't get from the creeps what they were promised.

No one comes out of these arrangements with clean hands.

Oh honey, clean hands would be the least of those boys' worries....

None of them had any suspicions about why they were receiving these offers?

--- 2 main guys interviewed in the doc: Pall went to his first and only orgy knowing what was expected. The other guy (also not the brightest bulb) - it was more ambiguous.

None of them thought about turning around and walking out the door? - this is discussed in the doc. Watch if you are curious.

Sometimes if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't. And perhaps they were targeted because it was obvious they weren't the smartest kids in class.

- yes this is patently clear in the doc.

I tend to think they knew exactly what they were trading - whether they were smart or dim - and are angry that they were deceived and didn't get from the creeps what they were promised.

-- that's not their take on it, exactly. You'd have to watch the documentary. I haven't listened to the podcast yet. Maybe it's the same material. It's on iTune.

No one comes out of these arrangements with clean hands.

- yes it's a sad tale.

I should say it's on Apple Podcasts. And probably others. Called "World of Secrets" from BBC

R152

Thanks for filling in the some blanks.

That old Mike is sure a looker.

r145 Hell of a lot of words to avoid admitting that the shitty way he's been treated likely led to how he is now. But I guess it's more important for you to feel superior while you claim to be empathic.

[quote]Paul seems to crop up every few years as survivor of homophobia and sexual abuse in the modeling industry but he never cut it as a model and was a kept boy with aspirations to be a model.

In your previous post, where you claim to have discovered empathy, you pointed out how Jeffries and his goons seemed to deliberately target guys who wanted to be a model but would never make it. And now, just a couple of posts later, here you are using that to dismiss his claims about abuse in the modelling industry.

I never dismissed his claims. You have a reading problem and are looking for fight, too. I bothered to go and watch the documentary after reading all the snark on this thread. The two young guys interviewed definitely had a revolting experience with Jeffries and his friends.

My take is that he was manipulated by his sugar daddy, who was pimping him, in different ways for a few years, it seems. And he was manipulated by Jeffries' lieutenants. And the mechanism was his burning desire to become a successful model. But if you watch the documentary, you'll see that as far as A&F experience, those people had already decided he was an appropriate whore for their parties, not to become an A&F model. And it was a pattern. So yeah I think people victimized Pall and used his dreams and delusions to do so.

r157 You understand the meaning of the word "but", right?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Who was his sugar daddy?

I know a couple of other prominent gay men who do stuff like this. Hopefully they will face some consequences soon....

The victims were paid 500 dollars twenty years ago to be sucked off by crusty old rich guys. This time their payday will be larger

2500

Based on the podcast there was a web of illegality here, however, it’s hard to reconcile their claims of abuse when the guys keep going back. You can claim naivety the first time, but when you go back, you’ve made an educated decision.

agreed

R2, gay face? Nah. Surgical face.

Pall sounds like he's always been a vapid queen, which was part of what made him a target for manipulation. The notion that someone has to be a "perfect" victim to be a "real victim" is unfair and misses the point of how this works. Pall seems like he's never quite left the vapid queen zone--naming his plants, low-end life coaching, all sad. The heyday of life coaching was about 20 years ago---psychotherapists would take courses to branch into it, but most of them weren't able to make much money from it and gave it up as a specialty. There isn't that much of a market and Pall probably isn't getting the small number of high rollers seeking it.

Bradberry sounds more sympathetic---he wasfrom bumbfuck Texas, he wanted to be star but had no pipeline to show business at that point. No mention, though of his relationship with Trevor Knight and whether that was beginning to happen. I suspect Knight probably knew better how the world worked and did have a foothold in legit show business. Bradberry seems willing to admit his naivety and articulate what was happening. Significantly, he has a normal job as a lower mid-range fed and a husband.

Not much discussion of Les Wexner--Jeffries boss and crony of Jeffrey Epstein. Famously one of the wealthiest guys in Columbus and his being gay is an open secret there and in his businesses. he had to know what was going on.

Being a "vapid queen" doesn't mean you can't be abused

How does a man have straight sex with another man. I say that because I hate headlines like this.

Very interesting, r168. I am a crude person who sees this situation more crassly. Old whores who aged out of the game.

R168 I don't believe for one minute that Wexner wasn't using his leverage in all the fun-and-games here.

Les Wexner and Mike Jeffries are scum

The company you keep...

R173 Do you know anything specific or is that just a general impression?

General impression

What the hell happened to its face!?

Can you imagine being forced to have sex with that thing!

Just watched the BBC documentary. At some point those guys should have said NO. I think what made them submit was the chance of being famous. Pall comes across as mercenary. I’m all for the #metoo movement, but these guys come off as very mercenary. And the straight guy who tested positive for HIV? He WENT BACK. Even after he claimed that he was raped? I’m a sexual assault survivor too. I’ve avoided subsequent sexual assaults by stating my boundaries. He wanted to feed his family? Join the military or something!

DL logic: Pall and the other victims are MERCENARY....but Mike Jeffries is an angel

No, Jeffries is a predatory dog. But these guys admitted that they were suspicious of him, but went with him and his minions anyway.

And yet you reserved your criticism only for the victims. You people are so transparent

R179: they were insecure and had not gotten themselves connected into one of the usual paths toward modeling or acting. Paul and Bradberry were too short for modeling and would have gotten that message if they'd been able to follow a legit path. These guys wanted something glamorous, well-paying, and attractive, which over rule "logic". Jeffries and company knew how to sniff out guys like this.

R183 yep, that’s what predators do.

Now there's a lawsuit

^ Apparently there was a video circulating of Jeffries sniffing cocaine off a guy's dick!

His facelift is absolutely horrific.

I listened to the podcast. They open with Barrett and I rolled my eyes throughout his testimony. He was full of regret. I get that. I empathize with that. It was sleazy what happened to him. But not illegal. And he just played "the victim" too easily for me. Maybe it's me, but I have no tolerance for that.

Now, the poor kid guy was most likely raped and who most likely contracted HIV because of the A&F guys? That was heartbreaking. And clearly illegal.

I think Mike and Co are vile humans. But they seemed to be savvy enough to make what they did BARELY above the letter of the law.

I’m glad there is legal action but imagine it will be very hard to prove, given the plaintiffs’ backgrounds and the fact that they returned multiple times. I’m not blaming them, just being realistic about the challenges of a case like this.

Barrett did NOT go back. But I listed to this a number of weeks ago so I've forgotten the details.

That man’s face has had a lot of work.

[quote] They were all grown ass men. No prosecutor will bite. A scathing documentary at most.

Are you mentally retarded? Quid pro quo sexual harassment is a crime, under both federal and most state laws.

There seems to be this trend of people in their 30's and 40's who gave up their youth in pursuit of fame and money - be it acting or modeling - who then wake-up and realize they've aged and have no viable career. And they're bitter.

When the optimism of youth fades and then you realize you have no viable job skills - don't start lashing out at everybody else for your mistakes.

People probably told them time and time again that they needed to have something to fall back on, but there's this 1 in a million chance that THIS time, I'm going to make it and it will all be worthwhile.

It's sad, but it's the chance you take when you rely only on your looks.

R192 catch a clue. It’s a tort, not a crime.

R193 is attacking the victims and not the guy who is a sex trafficker

People can't seem to do grey issues. Barrett and the other guy aren't "pure" victims however it seems to be arguable that they were sex trafficked. That they understood that this was a way to enter professional modeling rather than sex work. That A&F staff enabled that delusion. However naive and deluded these young men were. Listen to the sex trafficking lawyer in the documentary.

Why did they post a pic of Peggy Lee?

Because that’s all there is

Who could turn down those plastic dick sucking lips?

R196, enough with the sex trafficking bull.

R200 needs to look up sex trafficking. He doesn't seem to know what it is

You can see the documentary in the US now

Wow, over 100 male models are involved in the class action lawsuit against Abercrombie and Jeffries

[quote]they were sex trafficked

They were kidnapped and shipped like goods to another country to be whored off?

R204, most sex trafficking does not involve kidnapping. Jeffrey Epstein never kidnapped anyone

What a creature.

The documentary was so creepy, Jeffries had a "groomer" at the parties to shave guys completely so that they had absolutely zero body hair

I know another way to guarantee no body hair

He looks grotesque. One more face lift and he's going to have a beard.

Losing his lifetime bonus

Now he's asking Abercrombie to pay for him to fight the lawsuit

That's a particular kind of shamelessness

The FBI are now investigating

Bad boy, bad boy, whatcha gonna do...

David Geffen, watch your back...

They're two wild and crazy guys!!!

New article

I know we have the Gap playlist guy, but the Abercrombie playlists were even more spectacular.

He’s 79.

I thought it was Ronan Farrow.

I guess I don't want plastic surgery after all

Just curious as to why Sex Trafficking isn’t all over that article, since it’s such a hot word now. Is sex trafficked just reserved for women and their stories?

i flew around the world and all I wanted was $79 pre-ripped jeans.

Nothing new in that article. It’s all a rehash of the original story. I guess we’ll have to wait to see if actual charges are brought against him.

R222, the FBI is investigating him for sex trafficking as we speak