The rise of the anti-natalists

Amanda makes a great case for not having children... just by looking at her.

Discussed earlier this year.

Another thread that discusses anti-natalism.

I’m not a huge fan of this lady and i’m sure she will be mocked for her appearance on this thread, but I’m definitely an antinatalist.

There’s about 6 billion more people on earth than there should be.

Every cradle is a grave, and no one ever got hurt by NOT being born.

I personally dislike existence and never asked for it. An idiot jizzed into another idiot 40 years ago and now I have to go to work every day??? How miraculous.

I had my tubes tied in my twenties because I never wanted to subject another human being to my crappy genetics and to this world generally.

There are some good books and articles about this issue, one is linked below

I didn't watch the video, but I share the views. So many people popping out kids give no thought to what they are actually doing which is providing more slaves to the system. It's why they overturned Roe V. Wade. They are realizing they will need more soldiers as cannon fodder and low income workers to help the rich become richer. A rich person will always have access to abortion.

Personally, I've enjoyed some of my life but I'll admit that most of it is just struggle. My parents were poor and so am I even though I paid for college on my own. My parents have never helped me with money...in fact once I turned 18 they charged me rent and I got the hell out and have been on my own ever since. It's always been a struggle for me to survive. My life might have been easier if I had come from money but then again, one never knows. That being said, I opted to not reproduce because I didn't want to pass on my own mental health issues and now health issues to a child, nor could I afford a child. I have zero regrets. I honestly don't understand why people want to bring children into this world.

Reddit even has an Antinatalism subreddit.

[quote] There’s about 6 billion more people on earth than there should be.

More like 7.5 billion.

R4, I, too, had a tubal ligation in my 20s. My husband and I simply didn't want children (at 74, I do wonder at that choice, though, given that I'm very alone now! But I digress.).

We were h.s. teachers, same school. One time a class weisenheimer asked me why I had no children. I told him he wouldn't like my answer. He persisted. So I told him:

"Having a child is sentencing someone to death."

No student ever asked me again.

It sounds like these are just the people who could never get laid. Even old people who used to get laid aren’t this miserable.

you’re right r7 :)

I can’t imagine even the most fortunate human being saying, wow this life thing is a blast. I have to make sure more people get in on the action. They only reasons for having children are supremely selfish ones.

you are an inspiration r8 :)

most people get pregnant because they want cute babies to show off, similar to getting a kitten or a puppy or a doll.

If humans emerged as hairy, fully formed adults would procreation be as popular??

[quote] If humans emerged as hairy, fully formed adults would procreation be as popular??

Fuck no.

R8 is the official Datalounge Sex-Ed teacher.

[quote]If humans emerged as hairy, fully formed adults would procreation be as popular??

YES - If they all looked like this:

Here you go expectant mothers, your precious baby boy at age 40!

I believe Richard Dawkins addressed and settled this issue 50 years ago.

R18 Bizarrely, he's actually pro-natalist.

The main reason gay men turn their noses up at baby making is because they can’t passively get pregnant. If men could have babies and I risked getting bottoms pregnant by dumping raw loads in them, I’d probably have a few teenage kids at this point. And I’d be fine with that. It’s easy for you motherfuckers to stand there finger wagging about procreation when you never had to risk unexpected pregnancies every single time you got some dick.

Under population hasn't been an issue for a long time, whereas overpopulation certainly is in certain areas. Overpopulation is bad on the economy, and not giving women control over their own reproduction can enslave them to childbirth.

Birth control should be freely available to everyone, but foremost to women.

[quote] Basically, its adherents view life not as a gift and a miracle, but a harm and an imposition. The basic tenet of anti-natalism is that life, even under the best of circumstances, is not a gift or a miracle, but rather a harm and an imposition.

Did ChatGPT or a mediocre high school student write this?

[quote]The main reason gay men turn their noses up at baby making is because they can’t passively get pregnant.

No, try again.

It's because there are too many fucking people in the world as it is.

I have always been very much committed to not being a child into the world myself, and it would be an enormous long-term benefit if the human race ceased to exist, but I am glad I’m not part of the final generations of human beings. That would be unimaginably grim

[quote] but I am glad I’m not part of the final generations of human beings

Perhaps you are as am I.

R25. This is datalounge. There are enough generations younger than me already in existence. I’m in a pretty safe position.

I'm not anti-natalist, but I do think that people that do not want children should not have them - it would be better if it was something people had to deliberately opt into because they want to. Too many children are born into horrible environments of abuse, addiction and violence to people that dont give a shit about them and really should not be in charge of a insect let alone a child

What in the mentally ill hell?

The anti natalist seems like a very nice and sincere person but I think she’s just going to convince people anti-natalists are just misfits.

"It’s easy for you motherfuckers to stand there finger wagging about procreation when you never had to risk unexpected pregnancies every single time you got some dick."

You're joking with this, right? Because women who use birth control and use it correctly rarely get pregnant. I think there is like a 2% chance of it happening while on birth control. Women who take risks by fucking men while not on birth control are idiots.

And there's really no such thing as an "Unexpected Pregnancy." If you are a straight women and having sex with men while not using birth control, then you should expect to get pregnant.

Where did you get that 2 percent figure and over what time period are you claiming it applies? Obviously, if it is a 2 percent risk per sexual encounter, that’s an enormous risk. I think it’s a figure you just made up.

This seems like an argument that chases its own tail. The only way to be anti-existence is to exist in the first place, and I no longer get high enough to find that paradox compelling.

I liked it better in Ecclesiastes 4:2-3

The world is being destroyed by the least educated, least intelligent, least financially secure, least emotionally mature groups of people having litters of children… while the inverse is rarely true.

[quote] I no longer get high enough to find that paradox compelling.

Not for older folks. But what I find interesting, for me anyway, is that when I think of the possibility of my soul (if you believe in that sort of thing) being reborn, I feel dread. Even though my consciousness would have no memory of a previous life. So it doesn’t really make any sense, but I feel the dread anyway.

I did not realize I was an antinatalist, because I’ve never had discussions with any of my friends around this topic. I suppose as a Gen Xer I havent wanted to come across as whiny. A lot of my friends are just-get-on-with-it types. But honestly, anyone who has dealt with serious mental illness can probably relate to an antinatalist point of view.

r31, google is your friend.

R36. Why did you post this in response to my post and why are you telling me about Google? . I think you’re confused.

Because you asked about where I got the info about birth control, dummy. -r36